THE HOUSEHOLDER TRIAL BEGINS [ music ] >>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD SAYING LARRY HOUSEHOLDER SOLD THE STATE HOUSE.

PROSECUTORS THIS WEEK BEGAN TO LAY OUT THEIR BRIBERY CASE AGAINST THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER.

THE FEDERAL TRIAL OF HOUSEHOLDER AND LOBBYISTS BORGES BEGAN THIS WEEK IN CINCINNATI.

PROSECUTORS BEGAN TO PRESENT THE IN GREAT DETAIL HOW MONEY FLOWED FROM FIRST TO HOUSEHOLDER IN RETURN FOR HIM GUIDING PASSAGE OF A NUCLEAR BAILOUT.

HOUSEHOLDER'S ATTORNEY SAID THE MONEY TRAIL IS NOT PROOF OF BRIBERY.

THEY ARGUED THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO .

THEY CLAIM HOUSEHOLDER PUSHED FOR THE BILL TO SAVE JOBS AND SUPPORT A DIVERSE ENERGY SYSTEM.

>> I WOULDN'T SAY THERE WERE ANY SURPRISES BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING FOR AS WE GO DOWN AND IT INVOLVES A LOT OF PLAYERS IN COLUMBUS .

CLEARLY, THE PEOPLE IN THE GOVERNMENT CALL TO TESTIFY IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE EXPECTED.

WONDERING MAY COME IN WHY WERE THEY CALLING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TESTIFY.

THEY SAID IN THE OPENING STATEMENT THAT ONE OF THE REASON TO BE CODEFENDANTS IN THE CASE, WHY THEY GOT HIM INVOLVED IN THE HOUSE IS GETTING CLOSE TO POLITICAL ADVISORY .

I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING AND IT SHEDS SOME LIGHT.

PLAYED OUT IN PUBLIC FOR A YEAR.

AT THIS POINT WE WILL SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL TESTIMONY BRINGS AND WHEN EVERYBODY IS OKAY AND COVID IS VANQUISHED -- >> WOULD HE TESTIFY AND HE TOLD REPORTERS HE WOULD LIKE TO AND HE WILL.

>> IT DOESN'T MEAN HE WILL.

I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOT COUNT ON THAT HAPPENING EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COURTROOM.

IT IS REALLY DISAPPOINTING WE CAN'T SEE VIDEO OR AUDIO RECORDING SO THEY WILL TELL US WHAT IS GOING ON.

HOUSEHOLDER MAKES A PUBLIC SHOW WHEN HE SHOWS UP LAST WEEK SHOWING UP IN A BANGLES HAT AS HE WALKED IN AND GETTING IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO WATCH WHO DOES TESTIFY.

DAVE GREENSPAN AND OTHERS ALSO ON THE POTENTIAL LIST.

THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO PAY ATTENTION TO.

>> THE DEFENSE STRATEGY?

YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROSECUTOR SAID.

TO TRY TO SAY THIS WAS NOT A BRIBE?

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THEIR STRATEGY AND WILL IT WORK?

>> IT IS THE ONLY STRATEGY THEY CAN HAVE.

IT IS KIND OF A NARROW PATH.

I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THOSE THAT WOULD CONSIDER THE DEFENSE FAVORABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO NAVIGATE THE REALITY THAT THERE IS MONEY INVOLVED IN POLITICAL --I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD TRANSACTIONS, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE POLITICAL WORLD.

90% OF THE TIME, OR MORE, IT IS LEGITIMATE.

IT IS THE WAY PEOPLE GET ELECTED AND GET THEIR CAMPAIGNS FUNDED.

YOU CAN STEP OVER THE LINE AND THE LINE IS VERY, VERY SMALL.

IT IS VERY NARROW.

>> IN RECENT YEARS, IT HAS BEEN HARD.

THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA FLOODED THE CONVENTION BECAUSE QUO, IT IS JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.

>> YOU OUT.

SOMETIMES, IF YOU WANT TO DO A SHOW YOU GET A BUNCH OF RECOVERING POLITICIANS ON.

WE WILL TELL YOU STORIES THAT WILL JUST CURL YOUR HAIR.

YEAH.

THIS IS --THIS HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF YEARS.

THE OTHER GOING DOWN HE IS RESTLESS AT $20 MILLION IN LEGAL FEES.

I LOOK AT THAT AND THAT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

YES, HE GOT ACQUITTED.

I REALLY SUGGEST YOU DO A WHOLE SHOW .

I CAN TELL YOU FIVE OR SIX TALES OF DIRECT BRIBERY OCCURRING.

YOU CAN SEE PAPER TRAILS AROUND THEM.

>> I THINK THE DEFENSE COUNSEL WAS VERY BRAVE HERE.

THERE MAY VERY WELL THINK IT IS A VERY WISE.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WITNESSES WILL SAY.

YOU TALK ABOUT HOUSEHOLDER WANTING TO TAKE THE STAND.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW HE IS GOING TO COME ACROSS WHEN I ASK HIM ARE YOU MEANING TO TELL US HE RECEIVED A $400,000 LOAN AND HAD NOTHING TO DO?

THAT IS GOING TO BE --THAT REACTION IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL.

>> IT IS ONE OF THOSE COMPLIMENTS.

THE FORMER HEAD OF GOP IS ACCUSED OF TRYING TO BRIBE A WORKER FROM ANOTHER CAMPAIGN TO GIVE HIM DIRT AND INFORMATION.

HE SAID I DON'T KNOW LARRY HOUSEHOLDER.

THAT IS HIS DEFENSE.

>> HE BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T GET ALONG, WHICH IS TRUE.

PEOPLE CAN ATTEST TO THAT.

HE BASICALLY SAID IF THERE WAS BRIBERY INVOLVED, I WAS NOT A PART OF IT.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY IS ALLEGED BRIBE THAT TOOK PLACE.

THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT POLITICAL CORRUPTION CASES IT IS THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT THE LAW AND CASES.

WE TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES LARRY HOUSEHOLDER LOOK LIKE WHEN HE GOES ONSTAGE.

PEOPLE WILL SAY THIS IS HOW IT WORKS AND SOMETHING THE DEFENSE AND OPENING ARGUMENTS AND OWNER OF NUCLEAR PLANTS THAT THEY HAVE A LOT TO GAIN FROM THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HITS NORMAL PEOPLE.

THE TALK ABOUT THE LAW AND ALL OF THAT STUFF AND A LOT OF IT COMES TO JURORS AND THE PERCEPTION ABOUT THE LAW.

>> HE COULD GET CONVICTED.

>> HE COULD ALSO BE ACQUITTED.

I EXPECT THAT TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE CORRUPTION CASES ARE HARD TO PROVE.

THERE IS THE ISSUE OF THE LAW VERSUS THE PERCEPTION.

I KNOW HOUSEHOLDER COMES OFF AS FOXY AND HE HAS BEEN TALKING TO REPORTERS AND SHOWING UP IN A BANGLES HAT AND TRYING TO BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE.

IS IT GOING TO COME OFF THAT WAY TO JURORS?

IS HE GOING TO COME OFF AS A TYPICAL POLITICIAN OR IS HE JUST A GUY?

I THINK ALL OF THAT FACTORS IN.

I THINK THERE IS A REALLY STRONG POSSIBILITY.

HE SAID HE IS INNOCENT.

THERE IS ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY THEY WILL BE ACQUITTED.

>> YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OF THIS, OBVIOUSLY, BUT ACCORDING TO THE ATTORNEY MATT WAS OFFERED A SIX MONTH SENTENCE IN PRISON TO PLEAD GUILTY AND COOPERATE.

TO OTHER FOLKS ORIGINALLY CHARGED IN THIS ARE COOPERATING.

THAT IS SIX MONTHS WHEN HE FACES YEARS AND YEARS IF CONVICTED.

THAT IS A PRETTY GOOD DEAL TO TURN DOWN.

>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

I THINK I HAVE FACED THESE TYPES OF DECISIONS IN ALL TYPES OF CASES.

, THAT THE DEFENDANT WILL ACCEPT IT.

THAT IS PARTICULARLY WHY.

SAY YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR WHAT THEY WILL BE.

>> HE COULD GET ACQUITTED AND WILL NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.

>> IT IS HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND GET THROUGH IT UNSCATHED.

>> THAT IS ON TRIAL AS MUCH AS THESE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE.

DO YOU EXPECT ANY CHANGE TO COME OUT OF THIS?

AS THIS GETS EXPOSED DURING THE TRIAL, WE TIGHTEN THIS UP.

ANYMORE DISCLOSURES?

DO YOU EXPECT ANY MORE CHANGES?

>> WATCH ME RESTRAIN MY LAUGHTER.

>> IS BIG-MONEY --YOU HEARD ME SAID --YOU HEARD ME SAY IS BIG- MONEY IS POLLUTING THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE IN OHIO, DILUTION.

YOU DILUTE BIG MONEY BY INCREASING THE CAMPAIGN DONATION TAX CREDIT FROM $50- $500.

WHAT THAT DOES IS IT CUT LEADERSHIP OUT THE FUNDRAISING FUNNEL.

THEY DON'T LIKE THAT.

LEADERSHIP HAS PUSHED BACK AND TRIED TO GET THIS ELIMINATED.

THE TOTAL COST?

MAYBE 40 MILLION-60 MILLION.

MEMBERS OF THE TWO FACTIONS SQUARED OFF IN PUBLIC ON ONE SIDE.

SUPPORTERS OF THE ACTUAL SPEAKER INCLUDE SOME TWO DOZEN REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS AND DEMOCRATS .

THEY CLAIM THEY ARE THE LEADERS .

YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS.

ARE WE SEEING IN PUBLIC WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IN PRIVATE ?

>> KNOW.

NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS EVER OCCURRED.

YOU HAVE HEARD THE JOKE BEFORE.

THE VERY FIRST THING THEY TEACH YOU WHEN YOU ARRIVE IS HOW THEY COUNT.

>> OKAY.

NEITHER SIDE IS WILLING TO ADMIT THE OTHER SIDE HAS COUNTED .

AS LONG AS HE KEEPS THE DEMOCRATS WITH THEM AND SO FAR, HE HAS DONE NOTHING TO PERSUADE THEM FROM DOING THAT.

HE GETS OVER 50.

IN FACT LOOK AT THE LATEST NUMBER ON THE ROLES.

NOW, STEVENS HAS 35 WHICH SAYS TO ME HE IS SLOWLY PEELING AWAY THE DERRICK MERRIN FOLKS.

THERE IS A FEELING THIS WAS THE ONE REPUBLICANS SHOULD BE HELD TO.

THERE IS THIS CONCERN OF WHILE DIDN'T WE DECIDE THIS ALREADY?

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS HERE.

STEVENS WAS WILLING TO REACH OUT TO DEMOCRATS TO TRY TO ENGAGE THEM ON THE SOLUTIONS THEY CARE ABOUT WHICH IS EDUCATION IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

IT WOULD REQUIRE 60% VOTER APPROVAL .

THAT NEEDS TO PASS BY WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 1st .

DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

SPEAKER STEVENS HELD A REPORT TODAY AND SET THAT IDEA IS NOT DEAD.

IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, ESSENTIALLY.

I THINK KNOWING THESE THINGS TO SEE SOME PEOPLE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHO THEY WANT TO SIDE WITH.

PLUS THE RULES THAT WERE PROPOSED, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT HAD THE SAME EFFECT.

>> WHEN A DEFENDANT ONLY A CHRISTIAN PRAYER COULD BE SAID, ANOTHER ONE SAID HOUSE MEMBERS CAN CARRY GUNS ON THE HOUSE FLOOR.

DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.

IT WAS JUST A DRAFT.

IS THAT AN EXAMPLE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS ESSENTIAL TO THE PROPOSAL THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT FORWARD.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY HAVE THAT HAPPEN WHETHER IT WITH A CONTROVERSIAL VOTE .

IT IS HIGHLY DISRESPECTFUL TO THE MUSLIM AND JEWISH MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, MUCH LESS THEIR CONSTITUENTS TRYING TO PUT THAT FORWARD.

THEY ARE LOOKING FOR MORE BROADLY AND IT HAD TO DO WITH TAKING AWAY THE POWER STEVENS HAS AND DISTRIBUTING IT AMONG THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS.

NOT SURPRISINGLY STEVENS DIDN'T GO FOR THAT, REALLY.

>> THE IDEA OF HAVING AN WILL HELP THEM GET THE LEGISLATION THEY WANT BUT TO AVOID LEGISLATION I THINK THAT IS A PART OF IT.

>> THERE ARE SOME POINTS STEPHENS CONCEDED.

ONE THAT I AM NOT SURE THERE IS A SPECIFIC SCENARIO THEY WERE REACTING TO BUT IT BASICALLY SAID THE SPEAKER CAN'T TAKE AWAY MEMBERS PARKING SPACE WITHOUT THE MEMBERS APPROVAL.

THEN, ALSO, SOMETHING MORE BROADLY DEMOCRATS LEAN TO IS THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THEIR OWN SALARY FOR THEIR STAFF.

THERE IS SOMETHING THERE FOR DEMOCRATS.

BESIDES THE THING I MENTIONED, HE ALSO TRIED TO APPOINT A LOT OF THEM TO COMMITTEE CHAIR POSITIONS.

HE IS MORE CONCILIATORY ON THAT.

I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY WHY HE HAS THOSE.

>> WE HAVE SEEN THE DEMOCRATS GET THEIR FAVORITE PARKING SPOTS.

WHAT ELSE DO DEMOCRATS GET OUT?

>> WHAT I AM INTERESTED OR EXCITED ABOUT IS YOU HAVE A LEGISLATURE AT THE STATE LEVEL.

I WAS HOPING I WOULD SEE A SIMILAR THING.

HAS TO RECOGNIZE THE OTHER SIDE EXISTS.

WE FIND OURSELVES IN MULTIPLE LEGISLATURES AS WELL AS THE U.S. HOUSE.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS ON THE AGENDA.

GOVERNOR DeWINE WILL GIVE HIS STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS ON TUESDAY.

THE GOVERNOR SAYS HE EXPECTS TO LAY OUT HIS BUDGET PRIORITIES OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

A GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT BUDGET PRIORITIES LIKE ANYONE ELSE'S.

PLEASE TELL ME THERE WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE.

THAT IT IS REALLY GOING TO BE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.

HE SAID HE IS GOING TO TRY TO SLOW DOWN THE BUDGET DISCUSSION THEY TALK ABOUT IT BEING MENTAL HEALTH AND THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR HIM.

IT IS GOING TO BE A STANDARD WHETHER HE WILL GET THE SUPPORT OF REPUBLICANS AND THE SUPER MAJORITY AND DEMOCRATS.

>> ANDREW, ANY TALK ABOUT EXTENDING MEDICAL MARIJUANA WAS LOOKING TO GAIN AT SPORTS ABETTING?

MAYBE TIGHTENING ON REGULATIONS?

THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL THING.

>> THE GOVERNOR IS TIGHTLIPPED ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD TALK ABOUT AND FUNDING FOR MOTHERS AND CHILDREN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IF YOU WERE TO PROPOSE FUNDING HIGHER LEVELS OF SCHOOL FUNDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PAST, IT DOESN'T FUNDED UNTIL THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED IN DECEMBER TRYING TO OVERHAUL THE STATE SCHOOL BOARD WHETHER THE GOVERNOR PROPOSES THAT OR WHETHER IT MAY COME FROM THE LEGISLATURE THEN YOU PUT IT IN THE BUDGET LATER ON, I COULD SEE THAT.

WE CAN ALWAYS DREAM, I GUESS.

>> THAT IS ALL GOOD NEWS FOR DEMOCRATS.

FULLY SUPPORTING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AND SCHOOLS.

>> I WOULD ASSUME HE WILL TAKE A VICTORY LAP HERE ALSO CONCERNING THE BUSINESS COMING INTO OHIO.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AMAZON IS ALSO THINKING OF BUILDING A NEW CAMPUS HERE CLOSE TO COLUMBUS.

HE HAS GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY I DID A GOOD JOB AS FAR AS WHAT TO DO.

I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT, LIKE ANDREW WAS SUGGESTING.

I DO THINK MARIJUANA WILL BECOME --RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA WILL BECOME LEGAL IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

>> >> WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS TIME IS THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON INSIDE AND IT IS GOING TO BE SUBSUMED BY WHAT IS HAPPENING.

EVERYTHING CAME TO A GRINDING HALT FOR A WHILE.

I EXPECT EVERYTHING.

LAST TIME I WAS ON THE SHOW I SAID IT WAS GOING TO HIT.

A COUPLE OF THEM INVOLVE TRIALS.

THOSE COME OUT IN MY BELOVED STATE HOUSE.

HE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT.

TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET.

EVERYBODY IS GOING TO RUN BACK TO PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR TWITTER FEED .

>> THE BUDGET IS IMPORTANT.

WE TALK ABOUT HOW BORING.

WE PAY TAXES.

IT GOES INTO THE STATE BUDGET.

>> IT HAS TO PASS .

ABSOLUTELY.

SOME OF THE THINGS TO WATCH OUR SCHOOL FUNDING PUNCTURES.

LAST TIME AROUND IT WAS A SIX- YEAR PHASE IN.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDING WE TALK ABOUT BEING A LOCAL GOVERNMENT GUY.

THE WIND TALKS ABOUT BEING A LOCAL GOVERNMENT GUY.

THAT IS SOMETHING TO WATCH AS WELL.

THE COLONISTS USED TO SAY THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE WOULD BROADCAST ABOUT THE BUDGET IS WHEN THE BUDGET IS INVOLVED IN A CAR CRASH.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS THE ATTITUDE PEOPLE HAVE.

IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> YOU ARE GOING TO SEE OVER THE COURSE OF PROJECTION THEY WILL MAKE IT IMPORTANT FOR THIS BUDGET.

RIGHT NOW, PROJECTIONS ARE SKYHIGH.

WE TALK ABOUT INFLATION.

LET US GET TO THAT.

THE STATE SO-CALLED RAINY DAY FUND AND THE BALANCE IS 3 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS.

AND MANY OTHER STATES HAVE SO MUCH MONEY BECAUSE OF THREE THINGS.

HAVE A LOT OF COVID MONEY .

THEY HAVE HIGHER INTEREST RATES AND IT MEANS BETTER INVESTMENT EARNINGS AND INFLATION MEANS HIGHER PRICES.

THAT MEANS HIGHER SALES TAX .

IF YOU'RE GOVERNOR, WHERE WOULD YOU SHIFT THIS?

>> WE COULD CERTAINLY USE IT.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS THAT NEED TO BE --LOOK, IF THIS MONEY IS NOT SPENT, OF COURSE LOOKING AT SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

EVERYBODY IS RECOGNIZING NOW WE HAVE A CRISIS CONCERNING RENTAL AND HOME PRICES .

THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

THE REAL PROBLEM HERE IS THEY DO NOT SPEND IT.

WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY TO RAISE A FUND THAT IS FULL.

TODAY CUT TAXES?

DO THEY LOOK AT INFRASTRUCTURE OR OR MONEY OR THINGS LIKE THAT?

>> I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF THERE IS A PLAN TO CUT .

IT IS SOMETHING THE GOVERNOR IS HE FIRST CAME TO OFFICE.

PASS ONE FOR TAX CUTS.

WHETHER THE GOVERNOR COMES INTO THE DOOR LOOKING FOR STUFF LIKE THAT, IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE.

IT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME IF HE TRIES TO PUSH FOR AN EXPANSION OF THE WATER QUALITY FUND WHICH IS NOT THE SEXIEST ISSUE BUT THEY DEALT WITH AN ISSUE.

THEY COULDN'T DRINK THE WATER FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

IT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING IF IT ENDS UP IN THE BUDGET.

>> SOME STATES --SOME CITIES, NOT AS BAD AS FLINT, MICHIGAN BUT SOME PEOPLE NEED HELP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE .

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STEPHENS WAS TELLING REPORTERS AS HE IS LOOKING AT PROPERTY TAX STRUCTURE.

ONCE AGAIN, LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUES AND JAIL FUNDING AND LAW ENFORCEMENT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND TRYING TO BACK THAT UP AGAIN.

THERE IS NO WAY THE RAINY DAY FUND WILL GET TAPPED.

IT IS A QUESTION OF WHAT EXTRA MONEY IS AVAILABLE AND WHAT IT WILL BE SPENT ON.

OF COURSE THIS IS THE LAST YEAR OF COVID FUNDS.

THIS IS THE END OF IT ALL >> WITH COVID MONEY ENDING, THEY WILL USE COVID MONEY TO FUND A LOT OF THIS.

IT WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAMS WITH COVID MONEY.

>> TWO THINGS.

ONCE AGAIN.

MONEY IS EVOLVING INTO INFLATION AND HIGHER INTEREST RATES.

THE STATE COULD DO SOMETHING FOR 30 YEARS WHICH THEY REFUSED TO DO AND IT IS REFORM.

REFORM HOW YOU DELIVER THE SERVICES, WHO DOES THEM AND WHAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

YOU WANT TO REALLY SAVE A FEW BILLIONS HERE AND THERE.

THAT IS HOW YOU DO THIS.

>> CONGRESS KEEPS SAYING WE THINGS KEEP GOING UP.

>> WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE A PLANNED RECESSION.

THIS IS UNFORTUNATE.

THIS IS HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS IN TRYING TO OVERCOME CHALLENGES OF INFLATION.

THAT IS GOING TO PROBABLY HAPPEN.

>> WILL IT REACH THE THRESHOLD ?

>> AGAIN, I DON'T THINK --WE HAVE ALL SEEN RAINY DAYS IN THE LAST 19 YEARS NOW .

IT --I JUST WONDER WHAT KIND OF RAIN DO WE NEED FOR IT TO EVER BEAT THAT.

>> WE HAVE A RAINY DAY FUND AND WE HAVE A GREAT RECESSION.

THEY DIPPED INTO THAT AND THEY WERE $.89 LESS OF IT.

>> WATCH ME NERD OUT FOR A MOMENT.

WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NOW IS LOOK AT THE AVERAGE OF THE LAST RECESSION AND PERCENT DECLINE IN TOTAL REVENUE.

THEN, APPLY THAT INTO HOW LONG WILL THAT RAINY DAY FUND LAST OVER THE LENGTH OF TIME THE RECESSION NORMALLY LASTS.

>> HOW LONG IF I AM UNEMPLOYED, CANDACE LAST ME?

THAT IS THE QUESTION YOU NEED TO ASK.

IN THE LATE 1990S WHEN THEY WANTED TO DO A SALES TAX INCREASE, I POINTED OUT WE HAVE A RAINY DAY FUND TO LAST US FOR 444 DAYS.

>> LET US GET TO OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD.

>>> PREDICTION.

EXPECT THE BILL THAT WAS JUST INTRODUCED TO THE SENATE TO REFORM DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE LAW TO TAKE AWAY WHAT THEY HAVE NOW WHICH IS YOU CAN TEST POSITIVE FOR MARIJUANA THEN YOU COULD HAVE INGESTED DAYS BEFORE.

YOU ARE PER SE GUILTY OF DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE.

YOU CAN ARGUE YOU WERE NOT IMPAIRED AT THE TIME AND THE TEST WAS A CONSEQUENCE OF AN EARLIER INGESTION.

THEY SPLIT THE ESTABLISHMENT AND MAYOR COULD BE THE CANDIDATE.

>> JEAN MENTIONED EARLIER HE TRIED NOT TO FALL OVER IN LAUGHTER WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS.

SOMETHING I AM WATCHING IS THEY INTRODUCE A PACKAGE OF ETHICS REFORMS.

THEY TRIED TO CARRY OUT WHAT THE PATH FORWARD IT.

>> I AM GLAD YOU CORRECTED ME ON A 2008 RECESSION.

A REPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITY HAS VOTED TO PASS THAT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY AND WOULD NOT BE OVERTURNED BY VOTERS.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS GOING ON.

I THINK THAT IS AN INTERESTING THING IN STATE LAW THAT COULD BE HAPPENING THAT IS NOT.

>> THAT IS A SOLID QUESTION THIS NOVEMBER.

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