
The Neo-Nazi Hunter
Episode 2 | 8m 52sVideo has Closed Captions
Iraq War Vet, Kristofer Goldsmith, infiltrates hate groups targeting vets.
Veteran Kristofer Goldsmith fought in the war in Iraq. Now he fights Neo-Nazi hate groups at home. Founder of the nonprofit, Task Force Butler, Goldsmith infiltrates hate groups trying to recruit veterans. Exploring Hate and Hari Sreenivasan speak with Goldsmith about searching online forums, compiling evidence, and making vets less vulnerable to misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda.
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The Neo-Nazi Hunter
Episode 2 | 8m 52sVideo has Closed Captions
Veteran Kristofer Goldsmith fought in the war in Iraq. Now he fights Neo-Nazi hate groups at home. Founder of the nonprofit, Task Force Butler, Goldsmith infiltrates hate groups trying to recruit veterans. Exploring Hate and Hari Sreenivasan speak with Goldsmith about searching online forums, compiling evidence, and making vets less vulnerable to misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda.
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- [Hari] Kristopher Goldsmith is an Iraq War veteran and founder of Task Force Butler Institute.
- Task Force Butler has built a system, so that as we are viewing things on Telegram, it's saving screenshots, and it's basically scraping all of the data.
- Oh, wow, so you have different hate groups, basically, as channels and there's a lot of chatter on some of these.
Taskforce Butler Institute is a non-profit with the mission: "We are American Weterans who Hunt Neo-Nazis."
- [Narrator] Task Force Butler believes in preserving our democratic institutions.
As veterans, we are now in the fight to defend our democracy from fascist enemies right here at home.
- [Hari] The volunteer organization collects information on white supremacists and other extremist group activities on the Internet and in person.
Goldsmith compiles reports and shares them with local and federal law enforcement.
- The research that Task Force Butler does is ugly.
We go into the ugliest places in America, online, in the real world.
And we document that ugliness, especially when it creeps up, you know, from just detestable to criminality.
- Tell me a little bit about your military background.
- So I deployed to Iraq in 2005, was in the Army, was in for about three and a half years, made it to the rank of sergeant.
I came home with severe post-traumatic stress disorder.
So that led me into a life of advocacy.
A few years ago, a friend of mine that I served with called me up and said, "Hey, Goldie, "I joined a neo-Nazi organization, "and I want you to help me take them down."
Now, when he first said this to me, this phrase, neo-Nazi, I thought he was exaggerating, thought he was just talking about like some sort of far right group.
It wasn't until we were inside this hate group, Patriot Front, that I came to understand that they actually were doing things like reading "Mein Kampf," that they were studying the history of the rise of fascism in Europe, and trying to apply that to what they were doing today in the United States.
The core of their belief system was that they were self-described fascist, that they wanted to see, in their lifetimes, the United States become a white ethno-state.
- Are they able to target veterans specifically?
And if so, how?
- So January 6th created kind of this popular misconception that veterans were radicalized in the United States because in the days following the insurrection, a lot of veterans were among those getting arrested.
Extremist organizations target veterans for the same reason that the Russians target them, that the Republican Party targets them and Fortune 500 companies target us, for recruitment.
Because we are focused on the mission.
We are team players, we understand how to train other individuals to do what we do.
So what Taskforce Butler does is when we get into their online spaces, whether it's infiltrating a neo-Nazi organization.
I'll get vetted into a group, like the Aryan Freedom Network.
I'm wearing a skull mask popular with neo-Nazis.
Wearing my desert camo boonie cap, that's actually the one I served with.
Hey, can you hear me?
- [Hari] Goldsmith shared this video of him getting accepted into an online neo-Nazi group.
- Hey, can you see me?
- [Hari] They wrote to him quote, "I just needed to make sure you were white, you're vetted."
- I'll pretend to be a Nazi.
After being in their spaces for so long, I can speak like one.
I can convince them that I'm one of them, right?
I know the things to say, I lean on my military background, my veteran experience.
- Is there a connection between what they say and do online and kind of offline real-world violence?
- So two of the groups that we've taken the closest looks at, last year was Project Blacklisted where we did an analysis of Patriot Front.
We identified dozens and dozens members of Patriot Front.
The one that we're currently working on right now is called Project Husky.
That's an analysis of the Nationalist Social Club, which is a New England neo-Nazi group.
Those groups use the violence that they commit as recruiting material.
So we can go to the National Socialist Club, their Telegram, and we have something like probably 300 references in here for pieces of evidence.
Almost all of that evidence comes from their propaganda channel.
So they are posting their manifestos, they're posting where they were, when they were there, pictures of themselves.
When they start posting the same person in the same uniform over and over and over again, we can start to map everywhere that they've been and every hate crime that they've been involved in.
So they're posting video here, you know, the video of themselves in action.
They're showing their approach here towards the bookstore.
They're making a point to show the Black Lives Matter sign.
[screams] [knocking on door] - [Speaker] Let's go.
- Here they are knocking on the doors.
[knocking on doors] And they're holding up the Danzig, a Nazi flag.
Technical difficulties, what's that mean?
A physical assault.
Oh, look, they just physically assaulted someone on private property.
- [Group] NSC-131.
- They're shouting their name, NSC-131.
[group chanting] - So they're proud of this fact.
They've turned it into a polished propaganda video for themselves, because they think this will help recruit more people, right?
- Yeah.
- But in the process, they are turning over evidence of their crimes.
- [Group] NSC-131.
- Well, and, you know, to be fair to them, they're right.
Police don't do anything about this.
Law enforcement has not done anything about this.
This was over a year ago, so this was on the evening of February 12, 2022.
At least 10 members of NSC-131 attempted to break into a reading room at the Red Ink Community Library in Providence, Rhode Island.
And they assaulted at least one individual on private property.
Why?
Because they identify these folks as as communists.
That is political violence.
That is literally the federal definition of terrorism.
And just in case a DA who's reading this doesn't think that there's a law that defines terrorism, we include it in our report.
- [Hari] You spell it out.
Task Force Butler Institute has so far released the two reports, which document 12 incidents in detail over the past two years.
Goldsmith is hoping for law enforcement to bring charges, but as of June 2023, none have been filed.
Have you seen organizations, like the Patriot Front, take extra measures to try to harden themselves knowing that people like Task Force Butler exist?
- Yeah, the Aryan Freedom Network, for example, we flew a drone over their national conference last year.
We know from being inside their channels that now they think Antifa has an Air Force.
So if I can keep the Aryan Freedom Network looking up at the sky anytime that they meet because they think that I've got a drone over their head, that is a cost that I have imposed on them.
It's not just to get law enforcement to do its thing.
It's to impose those societal costs, those emotional, and psychological costs.
We want to make it as difficult and as expensive as possible to be a neo-Nazi in this country.
I'm not speaking for everyone within my organization, but, you know, I don't have a lot to be proud of for my service in Iraq.
I didn't defend democracy.
I didn't defend Americans' or Iraqis' rights.
But what I'm doing right now, often from my home office, is I am defending American values.
And I am defending Americans' lives and their rights to live the way that they want to live.
And that is something I can be immensely proud of.
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