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[bright music] ♪ - Welcome to "Black Issues Forum."

I'm your host Kenia Thompson.

Today, we're diving deep into the culture of conversations and the comedy that shapes our world.

Our guest today has the internet in stitches, literally.

He's a comedian, a content creator, and he loves a good meal and makes every food experience look like a meal sent from heaven.

I wanna welcome to the show comedian Tim Shropshire.

Welcome.

- Thank you for havin' me.

- Yes, I'm excited about this conversation.

- Oh, let's do it, let's do it.

- So, for those that may not know who you are, who Tim is, who Shrop is, more lovingly termed.

- Yeah.

- Who are you and how'd you get into this game of comedy?

- Oh, I'm just a country church boy that love good people.

God, family, and chicken wings is my little slogan I say, but I got into comedy just, I really didn't know what I was gonna do.

I played football at A and T, and didn't go well.

We lost every game, that ain't a good feelin'.

When you think you gonna win every game 'cause of that speech, the best speech ever.

I had some of the best motivators ever.

We just didn't win, just never got across the goal line.

So, I realized I'm not going to the NFL.

I'm good, but not good enough for that, and I was like, man, what am I gonna do with my life?

What do I wanna do with purpose?

I ended up reading one of my pastor's books called "Understand Your Divine Calling."

And after that, reading that, I simply said, "I wanna do two things in life."

I know I could be a lawyer, doctor, all those.

I said, "I just wanna play football, "and I wanna make people laugh."

And I was like, but where, how?

And standup was introduced to me, and I went after it, and that was 16, 17 years ago.

- [Kenia] Wow.

- We've been rockin' ever since.

- Wow, now you were born and raised in Fayetteville.

- Fayetteville is home.

- So for those that may see you in all these other states and countries.

- [Tim] We represent Fayetteville.

- North Carolina, Fayetteville, North Carolina, is home.

- Yeah.

And we were just in San Jose, California.

And I said, "Tell everybody," I say, "I'm from Fayetteville, North Carolina."

I say it with pride, I love it.

So, I'm a Carolina boy.

- Yeah.

- I love it.

People always say, "Would you move somewhere else?"

North Carolina, chill wine, Krispy Kreme, Texas Pea, even though you think it's Texas.

No, I am North Carolina all day, so.

- Nice.

Now, were you always funny?

- I don't know if I was.

Like, I didn't, like it didn't, it became natural to like, notice people in college.

Like, they really laughin' at everything that I'm doin'.

I'm like, but it was just natural, just me bein' me.

Like, it wasn't a goal to like make somebody laugh.

It was just, I was just bein' me.

And then you hear stories about you just cuttin' up, and like, okay so.

- Now a lotta times comedians, like, I think Kevin Hart would always say people were laughing at him, so he just started makin' people laugh on purpose.

Were people laughing at you?

- I, no, I mean, I just, I was just vocal about certain things, and I guess it was comical, and it got me outta trouble all the time.

And, if I didn't finish my homework on time, I would say somethin', the teacher would be like, "Just turn it in on Monday."

I'm like, "Hey, all right, we good."

I'd mess up on the football field and I'm supposed to, they make you run up and down the field after you get in trouble.

I made the coach laugh and he'd be like, "Shrop, just go on inside, don't do it again."

And I'm like, so it would bail me out of so much until I got grad school, and they didn't laugh in grad school.

They said, "Nah," so I ain't finished grad school.

- Okay.

- I still ain't gonna finish - Right now, no.

- That's okay.

It's all right 'cause we're here now.

- I'm not going back.

- It's okay.

- I'm not going back.

- It's all right.

[laughs] Well, before we go further, I do want our viewers to kind of get an understanding of your comedy.

So, I wanna share this clip.

The first clip is a church bit.

And then the next is your heart's, a food order.

So, we'll play that.

- Come on, somebody.

- There's a song that says, "I don't look like what I've been through."

Come on, somebody.

I look like what I've been through.

Um... [chuckles] See, I was trying to lose 30 pounds before the year was over.

I done messed around and gained 30.

[chuckles] I said, "Lord, I look like what I've been through.

I look like I've been through 17 cookouts.

14 packs of ribs.

[chuckles] 35 hot dogs.

Let me tell you.

That tribute made me choke up just a little bit.

I didn't lose nobody dear in person in my life, like a family friend, but I did lose something, y'all.

I did lose something.

Early this year, I lost my neck.

Um... [audience laughs] Oh, I thought I could tell my testimony.

Mm.

- [Employee] Good morning.

May I take you order, please?

- Yes, ma'am.

Good mornin', good mornin', good mornin'!

- [Employee] Good morning!

How you doin'?

- Oh, it's only right to be at the Martin Luther King Drive Biscuitville on this mornin'!

- [Employee] [laughs] Can I take your order?

- Can I get a number three, please, on this mornin'?

- [Employee] That's a number three.

What's your side and drink?

- Let get a hash brown!

And let me get orange juice with that, please.

- [Employee] Anything else for you today?

- Oh...

I had a dream last night.

I want a number four, please!

On this morning.

- [Employee] All right, that's a number four.

And what's your side and drink?

- Let get some grits with that!

You gotta have grits on this beautiful Martin Luther King day.

- [Employee] And what kind of drink for you today?

- And let me get orange juice.

You never go wrong with OJ.

I'm talking about the dream.

- [Employee] Anything else for you this morning?

- Make sure I have grape jelly on the side, please.

- [Employee] No problem.

Anything else for you?

- Oh, that's it for me today, and I had a dream, and the dream has come true on this mornin'.

- [Employee] All right, Mr. King.

[indistinct] 11.25.

- My God, that's a lot of money!

[both laughing] - So, I chose that one in particular because we are in Black History Month right now.

- Come on.

- I couldn't...

I don't even know how you kept your face straight.

- I was tryin'.

- You were trying.

- And it felt so perfect 'cause we were in Greensboro.

It was on Martin Luther King Drive, it was Martin Luther King Day, and I said, "Good mornin', good mornin', good mornin'!"

And those grits taste good.

When I ate the grits, I said, "Realize, realize!"

Thank God.

Oh, man, that- - [Host] What happened when you rolled up to the window?

- They just laughed.

- Yeah, I'm sure.

- They just laughed.

And that's a cool thing about laughter, 'cause you don't know what they had going on early that day.

And it was like this relief on her, like, she's had this, she was like, "Thank you, thank you."

- Aww, yeah.

- I said, "I'm just cutting up, trying to get my order."

And so I said, "Is everything in the bag?"

So I said, "I'm hungry."

[chuckles] - So you have made your brand focused around food a lot.

- Yeah, I didn't mean to.

- You didn't mean to?

- Yeah, I didn't mean to.

The food called me.

I was just trying to just tell some jokes and it just...

So, during the pandemic, everybody was going through, you know, what we was going through.

And I really didn't know how...

I couldn't tell jokes on stage.

You know, it was closed.

So, I got into promoting brands because someone asked me, "Hey, can you promote my RV park?

Promote it on your page.

You got a pretty good following.

We'll fly you down here and fly you back."

Like, you gonna pay me to, to what?

Say, "Use your page just to promote my brand."

I said, "Okay."

And I said...

It got to the point I was like, "I'm gonna promote just business.

"Let's just see where this goes."

A young lady hit me up.

She had a catering business.

She said, "Hey, can I pay you "to promote my catering business?

"I will come to your house and cook."

I said, "You gonna pay me to eat at my house?"

- [Host] Right.

- I said, "Sure, you can come whenever.

"You come tomorrow.

"You come today if you want to."

And so she came over.

She made some food for us.

It was great.

And a lady in Maryland saw it.

She was a chef there.

And she said, "She made you brunch.

"I saw that in the video."

She said, "But I wanna fly you up to Maryland.

"I wanna show you a real brunch."

She flew me up there.

It was flowers everywhere.

We had a rib eye and eggs.

I'm talking about...

So many meals.

But off that one video, 85 chefs hit me up.

- [Host] Wow.

- And it started this whole- - Wow.

- It started as just promoting just brands and businesses.

You know, I promoted a funeral home one time.

I said, "Oh Lord."

I said, "What you want me to talk about the casket?"

He said, "Man, we had record number sales."

I said, "What that mean?

Folk died?

"I don't know how that worked."

But I thought it was just gonna be promoting businesses.

And then it started to promoting chefs and restaurants.

And we've just been navigating through this journey and meeting so many people, so many great stories, but so much like amazing food.

Amazing food.

- Amazing food.

I saw some seafood dishes, chicken wings.

- I've been eating good.

- A lot of good food.

- I'm blessed.

I am blessed.

And the people like, "I know the food ain't that good."

Okay.

Think what you want.

Because I'm not just going to some person.

Like, they really are intentional about their food and some pay to promote their stuff and some just wanna just bless, whatever.

But a lot of times when they know they're showcasing, think about how we are.

If you gonna showcase something, you gonna put your best foot forward.

- [Host] That's right.

- And some of these ladies, they putting they foot in them greens.

I said, Lord have, Lord have...

I'm talking about it's amazing.

All different types of foods from barbecue to just southern cuisine to, we was out Midwest, we was in Texas, we was in LA.

It's amazing that, you know, the types of foods that we're trying, and it's really cool.

- So let's talk about the avenue that social media has opened you up to.

I mean, the fact that people reaching out to you, say, you said 84 chefs.

- Yep, yep, yep.

- That's crazy.

- Because they were like, "Hey, you did that," because the video went viral.

- [Host] Yeah.

- And they saw what that did for that business like overnight.

They went to the page, they saw that she only had hey, 20,000 followers, and now this young lady has over 200,000 followers because she's steady doing...

But they see that, they're like, "Hey, I want that for my business."

And it's another way from a business side, it's another way to market and promote.

Like, you don't know how else, a lot of times you only can go off of word of mouth or Yelp or whatever you're doing to market your business, especially for restaurants.

And they're like, "Wow, this guy can come in and review my food "and I can probably, you know, increase my sales, "10x my sales."

And that's what it does.

- So, you know, we've heard the stories of like the Eddie Murphy's and the Steve Harvey's and DL Hughley's and they didn't have that.

How do you think social media has, I mean, you shared it already, but- - Yeah, yeah.

- So you just mentioned to me before we came on, KevOnStage, you're touring with him right now.

- [Tim] Man, it's amazing.

- I remember when he started just posting social content.

- Same.

I was just a fan, just like you.

- Yeah.

- And I saw Kev when he came to Charlotte, and this was 2014.

He came to Charlotte for a birthday party comedy show.

The guy didn't have, the guy that put on the event, it was his birthday.

And he didn't have a opener.

And I said, "Man, dude, I'll do it."

He said, "I ain't got no money to pay no opener."

I said, "I ain't got no money either."

I said, "Let's do this together."

I said, "Just put me on the show."

And I did that show.

That's how I met Kev.

And I met him again.

And we start just, and he hit me up.

He's like, "Hey, Shrop, I'm doing a 50 city tour.

"I want you to least do like 20 of those dates."

And I'm like, "Yeah."

He's like, and then, "You know, your wife's from London, "so I'm putting you on my London show too."

And I told Elsa, I said, "Elsa, we going to London!

We going to London!

I don't know if you gonna buy your ticket though, but we going to London!

We going to London!"

And so, but social media was able, social media is like that merger.

You know, I still did the groundwork of, like, how the old do, you know?

That's how you had to go in and knock on doors and hustle your way and, you know, and just try to find, how can I get into that comedy club or, you know, get next to this comic, however, so I do like the fact that that's how I did get connected with him, that real, that touch, that, you know?

And so he gotta see what I did with standup, and then over the years, he was able to see my climb.

You know, his climb was crazy, but also he was able to see me consistently growing as well too, and he was like, "Man, I love what you're doing and want you on the road with me."

- That's amazing.

- And so it's phenomenal.

So, like social media is a game changer and it allows you, because in order to get, I think I was at a conference once and they said that, you know, back in the day, the only way to make it was to get on a late night talk show.

- Yeah.

- You know?

Or to get your 30-minute special on Comedy Central.

That was the big thing, and it was like, now you need YouTube.

And it's like, that could be your- - I need TikTok.

- TikTok.

- Yeah, that was huge when content creators were, "What are we gonna do?"

when the shutdown was happening.

- Because also it pays well.

- It does.

- Hello somebody.

- It does.

- You know, and so to think that, you know, that you can get paid from, I can get paid from doing a food review?

I can get paid to do a food review and I can get paid for posting that same food review?

Like, what?

I worked a regular job, and I worked, I worked.

Did college admissions.

I traveled all across the country and I still was only get $2,000 every month.

It didn't matter.

If I brought in 100 kids or 5,000, it didn't matter how hard I worked.

You would've just got that same check, and I said, "You mean to tell me I can go do a show or do a video and I can?"

I didn't know that's possible, and sometimes it feels unreal that you can do that, you know.

- You know, I don't think that the OGs criticize the younger.

- They do a little bit.

- Commit a little bit.

- They do a little bit.

- You know, when I see Dave Chappelle and the things that he's gone through, right, what Comedy Central did to him, and you know, I think a lot of them will say, "Well, this is kinda just handed to y'all."

Do you feel like you worked as hard?

- I feel like if you stay in the confines of social media, it's, the rules are broken, you know, so you can do what you want to do.

You have creative control to do what you, so what Dave Chappelle did, you know, it's amazing, but what we're doing on social media is what I feel like Dave Chappelle wanted to do was to have his own voice, be able to have creative control, write what he wanted to write with no filter and be able to do that, and I feel like we're able to do that now on social media.

I think the OGs had an issue with the, the more standup part of it when it comes to that.

- That makes sense.

- It's like you go and do your little dances, little TikToks, and little whatever.

That's fine.

Do your little commentary.

That's fine.

But they said, "But when you get on the stage, you need to respect this stage," and the thing was, if you're, because the thing with, to get to that place of being able to bring 300, just say 300 people to an event, to a comedy club, that's work.

That takes years and years of, like, building an audience.

You gotta work in Phoenix to, you gotta go to Phoenix, like, three or four or five times just to finally get 400 people to show up in Phoenix.

Now, you can make a few TikToks and you go and it is sold out, and you're like, "Are you?"

And so I think the OGs of comedy were saying, okay, since that is the case, I need you to stand on your two feet and deliver 45 minutes of comedy in a real way 'cause what was happening is a lot of guys would get on stage and after two minutes, you realize, "We ain't on TikTok no more."

- Yeah.

- Like, "Oh Lord."

I can't dance my way up out this bad boy.

- Right.

- So.

- That's interesting.

- And being able to have material and how long can you go, like, you know, do you have, do you have 30 minutes?

Do you have an hour?

Do you have two hours, three hours of comedy?

And so being able to be able to embrace the new age of what comedy can do, but also understanding the history of it, the root of it, being able to embrace the foundation of comedy.

And for me, I've been doing, you know, people see me now and they're like, oh, I didn't know you did standup.

Well, you, you, where did you catch me at in my journey of comedy?

- Right, right.

- I started in 2008 doing standup, and I didn't get to do video, started doing videos until 2017.

You know, so, so when people see me do standup, they're like, oh, wow, you really do standup.

It's like yeah.

- So who are some of your role models that you looked up to?

- You know, with me being, you know, my, you know, church kid, you know, you don't watch too much comedy.

- Sure.

- You know, because you can't watch too much.

When we got home Comic View was on, and we just got home from Bible study and my mother like, you ain't watching that young man.

You know and so, so I really wasn't a fan of comedy because it really, it is just, you know, but we did watch Sinbad a lot.

- Yeah.

- And you watch Sinbad, you're like, man, you know, you watch your Kenan and Kels and your Nickelodeon and all that.

So, but it wasn't, 'cause it wasn't one of those things where I wanted to be a comic.

Like, it wasn't, I just wanted to play football.

That's all I really wanted to do.

So there really wasn't anyone that I like, looked up to and like, hey, that's want to, want to be.

A lot of guys, they're like, "Hey, I saw Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy was like, I wanna do that one day."

And I was like, man, I just, I wanna play football.

I wanna be 6'2, 245 pounds.

I'm 5'11.

- It's okay.

- So I just, I, that's really just what I wanted to do.

It wasn't until of now I'm more of a student of comedy now, and so I'll just research some of certain comics.

It don't matter if you're black, white, don't matter.

I just want to understand just this, just comedy in itself.

- Yeah.

- And so, I'm a student of the craft.

You know, we say a football student of the game, but I'm a student of the game of comedy.

- Nice we see today, you know, especially with social media, I think the Black community sometimes gets criticized for making a joke outta everything.

- Yeah.

I don't know why we... - But you know, I mean, we gotta laugh through the pain sometimes 'cause there's some real things happening out here.

- That is that sixth sense.

- Right.

- That you have, you see something, you see it a different way.

You have a different lens to it.

And I think as we were, it just made me this in us to be able to laugh through the pain.

- Yeah.

- And laugh through it, and then see it from a different angle.

You seen, you'd have been to funerals that was from the roughest funerals you went to.

But at Repass, we just laugh and do, Lord have mercy, I don't know why she grabbed the mic, that she ain't part of the family.

They said remark was two minutes.

She was up there.

She built it for 45 minutes.

I, so we like, you'll find the humor in so many different things.

- Yeah.

- You know, the stories, my dad told me a story, him going to a funeral and he was gonna look at the body and the, the lady had glasses, and this is when he had the little, you know, the little, little Kodak cameras.

And a lady took a picture and he said, when the light came off of her glasses, it looked like she winked at 'em.

And he said, I left that funeral so fast, you know.

And so he tell that story and we just laugh.

We drove.

- Yeah.

- But like, but we just have an ability to laugh through it, we will mourn through it.

- Yeah.

- You know, we'll love you through it.

And it's, I think it's our thing to remind us to get back up again.

- Yeah.

- Like, hey, it's gonna be all right.

- Yeah.

- You know, we gonna laugh about it, but we will address it.

- Most recently we saw Dave Chappelle's, I think it was Saturday Night Live commentary after the election.

And we've seen a lot of politicians bring politics, I mean, comedians bring politics into their skits.

- Mm-hmm.

- What responsibility do you think you have as a comedian to bring that social awareness or alleviate social stress when it comes to some of the hard things we're having to deal with today?

- Well, the thing is, I feel, and a lot of times, for me, I don't really touch anything political.

- [Kenia] Yeah.

- It's just, for one, I don't know too much.

[laughing] - [Kenia] That's okay.

[laughing] - I'm like, I don't know, I don't know what that is.

- [Kenia] Right.

- And so...

But I think it is our obligation to address matters head on.

- [Kenia] Mm-hmm.

- And, you know, the best way we can.

If you choose to... You know, it's your choice to go how deep you wanna go into it.

- Indeed.

- But my thing is being able to...

I just look at, for me, to be that relief in that time of stress, in that tough time.

Be able to pull that comedy.

We talked about food earlier.

- [Kenia] Yeah.

- I feel like comedy and food has a way of bringing communities together.

- Yeah.

- Races together, different beliefs together.

You know, I was just down in South Carolina.

- Yeah.

- And when I went to the restaurant, ain't nobody look like me.

- [Kenia] Mm-hmm.

- I didn't feel welcomed by the eyes.

- [Kenia] Yeah.

- But when we all ate that brisket together.

Young man, that's some good brisket, isn't it?

I said, "brother, it is!"

"Bob, this some good brisket," I said.

And so it brings up this conversation.

I wouldn't have ever talked with Bob.

- [Kenia] Right.

- I would've have said nothing to Bob.

Bob would've passed by me.

Yes, sir!

You know, just kept...

But that brisket made us talk to each other.

- [Kenia] That's right.

- And he said, "I wonder how long that thing was smoking."

So, you know?

- Well, before we wrap up the conversation, I do want you to share how folks can follow you.

Find your skits, your stand-ups, you know?

Come see you live.

- [Tim] Yeah!

- How can folks engage with you?

- Tim Shrop Comedy is my website.

And who has a website anymore?

But Tim Shrop Comedy on all platforms, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, you name it.

- [Kenia] Yeah.

- I'll be on tour.

I'm on tour with Kev-On-Stage right now.

- [Kenia] Nice.

- And we'll finish that up in May.

And then in June I kick off my tour, "Shropology."

So, the study of Tim Shropshire [indistinct].

- Beautiful!

- So, I'll be touring throughout the majority of the comedy clubs across the country.

- [Kenia] Yeah.

- And I have a festival coming up, a wing festival, so.

- [Kenia] Of course.

- In May, gotta have it!

I'm looking for the best wing in the land.

- Speaking of food- - Come on now!

- I don't know if you know, but I'm Haitian.

- [Tim] Okay, come on now.

- Yes!

- [Tim] All right!

- So, last night I thought to myself, now, what would be a good little experience for us to have?

- [Tim] Talk to me.

- So, I hit up my friends over at Bon Fritay.

They have a food truck.

- Come on now!

- And they made you a special dish.

- Oh, y'all got some food for me?

- Oh, I got some food for you.

- Oh damn!

- So we have some Haitian food for you.

- Lord, all right, is it spicy?

- [Kenia] It's spicy.

- I got my tie right here.

- [Kenia] It can be.

- I'll get my tie.

- So this is what we call pikliz.

- [Tim] Who?

Okay.

- It's like a spicy slaw.

- [Tim] Oh, sure!

- And then inside here we have griot, which is a pork.

- Oh, shoot!

- And then rice and banann, which is plantains.

- I know about plantains.

- And then there's some sauce.

You know about plantains.

So, you partake in that while I share this week's Black History Month events.

- You better turn my mic down, because I'm about to- [Kenia laughing] Can I eat while you?

Oh Lord!

- [Kenia] yes.

You eat and I'ma come back to you and ask you how it tastes.

- Oh Lord!

[clearing throat] Excuse me!

- Okay?

Okay?

- Oh Lord!

- All right, so we're gonna pull up our Black History Month events.

- Black History Month!

- We've got plenty of North Carolina communities across the state that are rich with culturally immersive programs.

[Tim muttering indistinctly] We've got our first Black History Celebration showcasing deep roots of the Shiloh community by honoring those that led the way.

- [Tim] Oh Lord, mm!

[Kenia laughing] - [Kenia] From February 8th from one to four.

- [Tim] Good God Almighty!

- [Kenia] Then we've got "Healing What Hurts Us All" screening over Orange County Public Library on the 15th.

- [Tim] Yeah, y'all go to that!

- [Kenia] Then every Friday in February, North Carolina State Capitol is having a We've Always Been Out There Walking tour.

- [Tim] Mm, I'ma be there.

[Kenia laughing] - And then the Magnolia House in, um, Greensboro.

- Greensboro!

- Is also having an immersive experience.

So, how is it?

- [Tim] Mm, oh, I'm sorry.

- How y'all doing?

How y'all doing PBS?

- It's good?

- I'm enjoying myself.

- Well, I am so glad Daphne and Chef Andre, I'm sure- - Tell them I say hello.

- Will be glad to see your enjoyment.

It's okay.

- On television.

- It's okay.

It all right.

- Excuse me, PBS, I apologize to the producers.

Mmm.

Mmm!

- So, again, Tim, it's been so great to have you.

- [Tim] I forgot all about the show.

- It's okay.

It's all right.

- And dip it down in that [indistinct] right now.

- Dip it right in there.

- I usually don't eat too much pork, but this don't taste like it.

- Is that good?

Okay.

- It's tender.

Mmm.

[Kenia laughing] - Well, I thank you so much for joining us.

There's a napkin.

Okay, you good?

- I'm good.

- All right.

Okay.

- I'm sorry to put my feet up - That's okay.

Make yourself at home.

Here at "Black Issues Forum," everybody's family.

You good?

All right.

So I think he needs some time alone.

- Oh, thank you, Lord.

- So we're gonna go ahead and wrap up the show.

- I didn't know I was going to eat this early.

- I know.

I know.

- I was gonna do intermittent fasting.

- I'm sorry.

It's okay.

- He then threw me off.

- It's okay.

- I was trying to get my neck back this year.

[Kenia laughing] but the way this Haitian food... - It is okay.

It's all right.

- Thank y'all so much.

- Thank you.

Thank you so much too.

- And bless you all.

- Thank you.

- That's some good stuff.

- I appreciate you.

I appreciate- - Y'all ain't gonna take this back?

- No, it's all yours.

- Oh, 'cause if y'all gonna take it back, I was gonna get mad at y'all.

- It's good.

It's okay.

But thank you so much for joining us.

- Man, thank y'all.

- And all the best to you on your tour with Kev.

- Yeah, oh, we gonna have fun or we're having fun.

- You're having fun.

- I got rice on my face?

- No, you're good.

- Okay.

- You're good.

Actually, a little bit right there.

- Okay, I was wondering.

- Okay, we'll get it.

All right, and I thank you.

I thank you for watching.

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I'm Kenia Thompson.

I'll see you next time.

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