LATER THIS AFTERNOON MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT AND CHICAGO PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSIONER Dr. ALLISON ARWADY TOOK TO SOCIAL MEDIA TO BLAST THE C.T.U.

'S POSITION ON VACCINES.

>> IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT C.T.U.

'S PLAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO STOP VACCINE DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY FOR EVERYONE ELSE.

LITERALLY.

C.T.U.

SAYS GIVE THE VACCINE TO OUR MEMBERS AND ONLY OUR MEMBERS NOT EVEN OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN C.P.S.

NOT THE LUNCH ROOM WORKERS, CUSTODIANS, ENGINEERS AND NOT THE SPECIAL EDUCATION CLASSROOM AIDES.

NO ONE ELSE WITHIN C.P.S.

>> AND STATE PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS REPORT 3600 NEW COVID-19 CASES TODAY WITH 83 ADDITIONAL DEATHS.

THAT MAKES FOR A STATE-WIDE TOTAL OF 1.14 MILLION CASES INCLUDING 19,526 DEATHS.

>> BUNDLE IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY AN ARCTIC BLAST IS SET TO PARK ITSELF IN TO NEXT WEEK.

WIND-CHILLS AS LOW AS -25 OVER THE WEEKEND.

WARMING CENTERS ARE OPEN IN CHICAGO AND COOK COUNTY MONDAY-FRIDAY GENERALLY FROM 9-5 BUT THEY ARE NOT EXPECTED TO BE OPEN OVER THE WEEKEND.

>> AND JOINING US NOW FOR THE WESTBOUND WEEK ARE RICK PEARSON OF THE "CHICAGO TRIBUNE".

MAURICIO PENA OF BLOCK CLUB CHICAGO.

CRAIG DELLIMORE OF WBBM NEWS RADIO AND NADER ISSA OF THE "CHICAGO-SUN TIMES".

FIRST, NO NEWS, AND NO DEAL NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT AND THE CHICAGO TEACHERS' UNION BROKE DOWN.

THE MAYOR'S FRUSTRATION HAS BEEN PALPABLE.

>> THIS IS ABOUT OUR KIDS.

THIS IS ABOUT OUR KIDS.

IT'S ABOUT OUR KIDS.

FOR ME, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS.

TIME'S OUT.

RUNWAY, DONE.

WE NEED A DEAL TODAY.

>> NADER ISSA HOT OFF THE PRESSES YOU FILED A STORY, WHERE DO THE NEGOTIATIONS STAND RIGHT NOW?

>> DON'T A THEY STAND IN A SIMILAR PLACE THEY DID YESTERDAY AND THE DAY BEFORE AND THE DAY BEFORE AND THE DAY BEFORE.

THERE HAS NOT BEEN MUCH MOVEMENT AND I THINK THE MAYOR WE HEARD HER TWO DAYS AGO OR YESTERDAY SHE SAID WE NEED A DEAL TODAY AND IT'S THE NEXT DAY AND THERE IS NO DEAL AND IT IS NOT LOOKING LIKE THERE IS GOING TO BE A DEAL THIS WEEKEND.

THE MAYOR KEEPS ISSUING ULTIMATUMS, WE ARE GOING TO LOCKOUT TEACHERS AND SHE KEEPING DRAW THE LINE IN THE STAND AND STEPPING OVER IT.

SO NEGOTIATIONS ARE IN A SENSITIVE PLACE RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THEY ARE CLOSE FROM EVERYTHING I HEAR THE WHOLE PACKAGE THEY ARE CLOSE.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT LIKE 2019 WHERE THEY WERE MILES APART.

THE TIMELINE FOR WHEN TO RETURN IS A BIG ISSUE.

THE C.T.U.

IS LOOKING AT HAVING TEACHERS AND STAFF BACK BY MARCH 8TH IS WHAT I REPORTED TODAY AND C.P.S.

IS LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE CLOSER TO FEBRUARY 15TH, FEBRUARY 22 AND MARCH FIRST.

SO THEY ARE ONLY A COUPLE WEEKS APART FROM EACH OTHER.

THEN THERE'S THE ISSUES OF ACCOMMODATIONS FOR MEMBERS WHO LIVE WITH MEDICALLY VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS.

I THINK THAT GETS SOLVED IF THEY PUSH IT BACK A COUPLE WEEKS AND LET PEOPLE GET VACCINATED.

IT IS IN A TOUGH PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE THIS LOCKOUT OR A STRIKE.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

>> RICK PEARSON THE MAYOR SAID A WEEK AGO THAT IF TEACHERS DID NOT SHOW UP THAT THE C.P.S.

WAS GOING TO LOCK THEM OUT OF THEIR ON-LINE LEARNING PLATFORM THAT THEY USE.

NOW SHE IS SAYING IT AGAIN IF THEY DO NOT SHOW UP MONDAY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TEACH ON-LINE?

>> I THINK IN ADDITIONER TOUCHED ON IT THE FACT SHE KEEPS DRAWING THE LINES IN THE SAND AND NEVER FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH THEM AND THAT I THINK IS GIVEN MORE IMPETUS TO C.T.U.

TO KEEP PUSHING FOR WHAT IT WANTS.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION ON ALL SIDES.

PARENTS WANT TO SEE KIDS BACK IN SCHOOL IF DONE SAFELY.

WITH TEACHERS, THE FACT OF ACCOMMODATIONS, ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THOSE TEACHERS WHO HAVE SPECIAL AT RISK FAMILY MEMBERS.

YOU ALSO HAVE THE CHILDREN COMING TO SCHOOL AND WHILE THERE IS NOT A GREAT NUMBER OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE COVID, THEY DO CARRY IT.

AND WHAT ABOUT THOSE FAMILIES AS WELL?

I PEEN THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS AT PLAY.

AND THERE'S NO SCHEDULE YET FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO RETURN.

>> RIGHT AND THEY MIGHT NOT RETURN AT ALL.

CRAIG DELLIMORE YOU HEARD THE MAYOR TALKING ABOUT VACCINES THE C.P.S.

OFFERED 1500 VACCINATIONS PER WEEK AND THE MAYOR IS SAYING IF WE GIVE WHAT THE C.T.U.

WANTS NO ONE ELSE WILL GET VACCINATED IN THE CITY.

IS THAT TRUE?

>> WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, THE BULK OF THE SHOTS WOULD BE GOING TO THE TEACHERS.

AND IT SEEMS AS IF THAT IS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE THEY COULD COME A BIT CLOSER.

SOMETIMES IT SEEMS AS IF IT IS A GAME OF CHICKEN BUT THE CHILDREN AND THE PARENTS ARE PASSENGERS IN THE CARS THAT ARE HURDLING TOWARD EACH OTHER.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE END, IT'S GOING TO BE THE PARENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT THEY ARE GOING TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO THE SCHOOLS OR THEY ARE NOT.

AND THAT WILL PROBABLY BE WHAT REALLY DRIVES HOW MANY TEACHERS ARE IS HOW MANY PARENTS NEED TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN IN VERSUS HOW MANY PARENTS ARE AFRAID TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN IN.

>> AND IT IS A GAME OF CHICKEN BUT THE CARS HAVE BEEN STUCK IN PARK INSTEAD OF BARRELING TOWARD EACH OTHER.

MAURICIO PENA WHAT ABOUT PARENTS?

WHERE DO THEY FALL ON THIS?

WE SAW STATISTICS THAT ESPECIALLY IN BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES, PARENTS WERE RETICENT TO SEND THEIR KIDS BACK?

>> I'M HEARING A MIX OF THINGS FROM PARENTS.

THERE ARE PARENTS WHO ARE HESSTANT TO SEND THEIR KIDS BACK AND THERE ARE PARENTS WHO ARE ESSENTIAL WORKERS WHO DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF STAYING HOME SO THEY NEED THAT CHILDCARE, THEY NEED THE IN-PERSON LEARNING.

IT IS A MIX FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PARENTS.

>> NADER ISSA, WHAT ABOUT THE POLITICS AT PLAY?

AS THIS GOES ON THE TEACHERS' UNION IS PUSHING THE GOVERNOR TO SIGN A BILL THAT WOULD BROADEN WHAT THEY CAN STRIKE OVER.

TAKE US INSIDE THE POLITICS AT PLAY HERE?

>> YES, YOU ARE MENTIONING IT IS A PROVISION IN EDUCATIONAL WAIVER RELATIONS LAW SECTION 4.5 OF THE ILLINOIS EDUCATION LABOR RELATIONS ACT.

IT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1995 THE STATE SENATE REPEAL TO DO A FEW WEEKS AGO.

AND WHAT IT WOULD DO IS RETURN A LOT OF BARGAINING RIGHTS TO THE C.T.U.

OVER ISSUES THAT FALLOUT SIDE OF THE SORT OF BREAD AND BUTTER LABOR ISSUES LIKE PAY AND BENEFITS.

IT JUST GOT SENT TO THE GOVERNOR'S DESK YESTERDAY.

IT'S NOT CLEAR YET WHETHER HE IS GOING TO SIGN IT AND WHETHER HE IS GOING TO INSERT HIMSELF INTO THE MIDDLE OF THIS C.T.U.-C.P.S.

BATTLE.

BUT IF HE DOES SIGN IT GIVES THE C.T.U.

A HUGE LEG UP IN THE FIGHT.

BECAUSE JUST LAST WEEK THERE WERE A COUPLE SUBURBAN DISTRICTS ONE CICERO SOUGHT AN INJUNCTION AGAINST THE SCHOOL DISTRICT MAKING THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT THE C.T.U.

TOOK AND FAILED IN THE SAME COURT.

SO THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS THAT SECTION 4.5 THAT HAS BEEN REPEALED [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON.

>> WILL THERE BE TEACHERS IN SCHOOLS MONDAY?

ON-LINE LEARNING?

WILL THERE BE IN-PERSON LEARNING A DEAL?

OR NONE OF IT?

>> I'VE BEEN TRYING NOT TO MAKE PREDICTIONS OR BETS.

MAYBE WE CAN DO SUPER BOWL SQUARES OVER IT.

[LAUGHTER] BUT I DON'T KNOW AND EVERYDAY EVERY HOUR THIS CHANGES.

MY GUESS IS THAT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A DEAL OVER THE WEEKEND.

NOW, I'M SURE IN A COUPLE DAYS I WILL BE WRONG ABOUT THAT.

BUT IF THERE IS NO DEAL THE TEACHERS WILL NOT SHOW UP ON MONDAY.

C.P.S.

IS NOW DEMANDING PRESCHOOL AND SPECIAL EDUCATION CLUSTER TEACHERS SHOW UP.

THEY ARE LIKELY NOT GOING TO SHOW UP.

C.P.S.

SAID THAT IT WILL TRIGGER LOCKOUTS AND BLOCKED FROM TEACHING REMOTELY.

AND THEN THE C.T.U.

SAID THAT WOULD TRIGGER A STRIKE.

IT'S THE SAME EXACT SITUATION WE WERE IN LAST WEEK SAME TIME LAST WEEK.

IT'S JUST TO BE DETERMINED IF THE MAYOR FOLLOWS THROUGH.

>> CUT AND PASTE THE STORY FROM LAST FRIDAY.

LET'S MOVE ON TO A COUPLE ITEMS.

THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED STATE LAWMAKERS WILL GET VACCINES THIS WEEK IN PHASE 1B.

HERE IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.

>> I'M WAITING MY TURN.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MANY OF US TO SET AN EXAMPLE IN THAT WAY.

MANY LEGISLATORS ASKED IF THEY COULD BE VACCINATED BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WHEN THEY WENT TO SPRINGFIELD JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO FOR THE LAME DUCK SESSION, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS WHO CONTRACTED COVID-19.

>> CRAIG DELLIMORE WHAT IS THE ARGUMENT FOR LAWMAKERS JUMPING UP SPOTS AND BEING ELIGIBLE WITH OTHER ESSENTIAL WORKERS TO GET VACCINATED?

>> SOME OF THEM AND THEY ARE SPLIT ON THIS.

FEEL THAT THEY ARE ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

AND FRANKLY THEY HAVE TO MEET IN GROUPS NOW THEY MET THE LAST TIME THEY WENT TO SPRINGFIELD FOR A FULL SESSION THEY MET IN A CONVENTION CENTER SO THEY CAN SOCIALLY DISTANCE THEMSELVES BUT THEY FEEL THAT THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD MOVE UP.

THEY ARE ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

BUT YOU ARE ALSO -- AND THIS IS LIKE WHEN THEY RAISED THEIR OWN SALARIES.

SOME ARE SAYING WE WON'T TAKE IT AND SOME ARE QUITE WILLING TO BECAUSE THEY ARE HONESTLY AFRAID.

>> RICK PEARSON, OBVIOUSLY VACCINATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN AS FAST AS MOST PEOPLE WOULD LIKE.

WHAT IS THE STATUS IN ILLINOIS IN TERMS OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO NAVIGATE SIGNING UP, IN TERMS OF EVERYBODY ELIGIBLE BEING ABLE TO GET AN APPOINTMENT?

>> IT'S A MESS.

I MEAN IN SOME RESPECTS, I'M SURPRISED PEOPLE HAVE NOT LIKENED IT TO SIGNING UP FOR UNEMPLOYMENT ON THE DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT SECURITY WEBSITE.

YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THIRD PARTY VENDORS WITH NO ASSOCIATION TO GOVERNMENT, CITY OR STATE WHO ARE ACTUALLY BASICALLY SETTING UP THEIR APPS TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE NAVIGATE THIS TO BE ABLE TO SETUP APPOINTMENTS.

THE ROLLOUT IS A MESS.

AND EVERYBODY WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

>> MAURICIO PENA, THE ROLLOUT ACROSS THE NATION STATISTICS HAVE SHOWN THAT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR LAGGED BEHIND EVEN THOUGH PUBLIC OFFICIALS TALKED ABOUT THE PRIORITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN HIT THE HARDEST.

HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IMPROVED AT ALL AND WHAT ABOUT IN CHICAGO?

>> THEY HAVE IN CHICAGO, THEY'VE ONLY IMPROVED SLIGHTLY SINCE THE FIRST REPORTING THE MAJORITY LAST WEEK SAW A MAJORITY OF WHITE COMMUNITIES ON THE NORTH SIDE GETTING THE VACCINES.

WHILE THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDES WERE LEFT BEHIND AND IT'S A PARALLEL OF HOW TESTING WAS ROLLED OUT IN THE CITY.

YOU SAW MORE PEOPLE ON THE NORTH SIDE GETTING TESTED AND THEN EVENTUALLY YOU SAW TESTING SITES COMING TO THE SOUTHWEST SIDES AND THE WEST SIDES.

AND WE'RE SEEING A SIMILAR ROLL OUT NOW WITH THE VACCINATIONS.

PEOPLE ARE -- IT'S DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDES TO GET VACCINATED.

AND ONLY SLIGHTLY I THINK THE LATEST NUMBERS SHOWED LIKE 19% OF LATINOS GETTING VACCINATED.

AND, YET THEY HAVE ONLY IMPROVED SLIGHTLY.

THERE IS A LONG WAY TO GO IN TERMS OF GETTING BRINGING EQUITY TO THE DISTRIBUTION OF VACCINATIONS.

>> LET'S TURN TO CITY POLITICAL NEWS.

CRAIG DELLIMORE, THE MAYOR'S CITY COUNCIL FLOOR LEADER, ALDERMAN GILBERT VILLEGAS STEPS DOWN ON THE JOB.

AND MAYOR RAHM EMANUEL CITY COUNCIL LEADER PAT O'CONNOR WAS IN IT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF RAHM EMANUEL'S TERM.

WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES HERE?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT THE MAYOR'S OWN SOMETIMES COMBATIVE NATURE HAS MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR GILBERT VILLEGAS TO MANAGE THE KIND OF VOTES THAT SHE NEEDS.

SHE SAYS IT'S BECAUSE SHE WON'T BUY VOTES.

IN OTHER WORDS SHE IS NOT GOING TO DO THE HORSE TRADING THAT MIGHT HAVE GONE ON BEFORE.

BUT SHE ALSO IS NOT AFRAID TO LASH OUT AT THE ALDERMEN AND FRANKLY ON HER INAUGURATION DAY SAID YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO END A LOT OF THE PRACTICES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ENJOYING.

AND ALSO HE DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME VILLEGAS DID NOT HAVE THE SAME AFFECTION FROM ALL OF THE MEMBERS THAT O'CONNOR DID.

I THINK MICHELLE HARRIS WHO IS GOING TO TAKEOVER AS THE FLOOR LEADER IS PROBABLY MORE LIKED AND WELL RESPECTED THAN VILLEGAS WAS NOT THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH HIM.

HE WAS FINE.

BUT HE AND THE MAYOR HAD DIFFERENCES.

>> AND MICHELLE HARRIS THE 8TH WARD ALDERMAN WAS LOYAL TO RAHM EMANUEL A STALWART IS WELL LIKED.

RICK PEARSON, DO YOU THINK THIS IMPROVES MAYOR LORI LIGHTFOOT'S ODDS OF GETTING MORE DIFFICULT PIECES OF LEGISLATION FUTURE BUDGETS WITH TAX HIKES THROUGH CITY COUNCIL?

OR IS HER BASE IN CITY COUNCIL ERODING?

>> I THINK IT HELPS.

IT CERTAINLY, I MEAN GILBERT VILLEGAS, GILL IS A GOOD GUY.

EVERYBODY APPRECIATES HIM BUT BEING FLOOR LEADER IS A MONSTER JOB.

AND TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING AND I THINK IN SOME RESPECTS WITH KNOWING GILL HE WAS TRYING TO SELL STUFF HE DIDN'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE IN BECAUSE HE WAS TASKED WITH BEING THE FLOOR LEADER.

NOW, WITH MICHELLE HARRIS, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO IS MORE IN SYNC SOMEONE WHO DOES HAVE A BROADER FIELD OF RESPECT.

I THINK IT HELPS THE MAYOR BUT, STILL, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INITIATIVES THAT FACE A STRONG UPHILL CLIMB.

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO OTHER NEWS.

ILLINOIS' SENIOR U.S.

SENATOR DICK DURBIN TAKE THE REINS AS THE CHAIR OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND ADAM KINZINGER TENS 10 OTHER G.O.P.

MEMBERS IN VOTING TO OUT OF GOODMAN MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE.

AND A DATE HAS BEEN SET FOR THE OBAMA PRESIDENTIAL CENTER.

RICK PEARSON DICK DURBIN TAKES OVER AS THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN HOW COME IT TOOK SO LONG BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE OF THE SENATE FOR A MONTH NOW?

>> PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT THE ELECTIONS IN GEORGIA PRODUCEDDED THAT 50/50 SPLIT AND YOU HAD TO RELY ON CHUCK SCHUMER AND MITCH McCONNELL TO TRY TO REACH AGREEMENT ON ORGANIZING PRINCIPLES.

THEY WENT BACK TO DECADES AGO THE LAST TIME OF A 50/50 SPLIT.

McCONNELL HIS ISSUE BEFORE ANY ORGANIZING WAS THAT DEMOCRATS DID NOT GET RID OF THE FILIBUSTER THE 60-VOTE RULE.

AND FINALLY WHEN TWO DEMOCRATS ASEEDED TO THE FACT THEY WOULD NOT SUPPORT AN END TO THE FILIBUSTER McCONNELL DROPPED THAT DEMAND AND IT WAS EASY TO GET THE ORGANIZING IN SHAPE.

YOU ARE RIGHT, TWO MONTHS INTO A NEW ADMINISTRATION AND YOU HAVE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN WHO ARE STILL ARE THE REPUBLICAN LEFTOVERS.

>> AND MERRICK GARLAND NOMINEE THAT NEEDS TO HAVE HEARINGS AND BE CONFIRMED WHICH DICK DURBIN SAID PROBABLY WILL NOT HAPPEN THIS WEEK.

NADER ISSA SENATE HAS IMPEACHMENT TRIAL COMING UP NEXT WEEK.

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LAWYERS SAY HE WILL NOT TESTIFY.

WHO DO YOU THINK WILL TESTIFY?

AND HOW DO YOU THINK THIS IS GOING TO GO?

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S CLEAR WHO IS WILLING TO STEP UP AND VOICE ON THE SIDE OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

WE SAW A LEGAL TEAM QUIT LAST WEEK BECAUSE HE WANTED THEM TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN.

THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM HIM.

I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHO WILL STEP UP TO TESTIFY.

WE'VE SEEN THAT THERE ARE EVEN SOME REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE WHO AREN'T STICKING THEIR NECKS OUT YET TO SAY THAT THEY WILL VOTE TO ACQUIT THE FORMER PRESIDENT.

IF THEY ARE EVEN HESITANT THE PEOPLE WHO DEFENDED HIM THE STRONGEST, IT'S GOING TO BE IS YOUR PRIDING TO SEE ANYONE -- SURPRISING TO SEE ANYONE STEP UP AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEFENSE FOR HIS ACTIONS.

>> BUT AS YOU MENTION -- >> IF I CAN ADD.

DICK DURBIN EARLIER TODAY MADE A POINT THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED MORE OFTEN HERE.

THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF TRIAL, IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT.

BECAUSE THE MEMBERS ARE THE WITNESSES.

THEY WERE THERE.

THEY SAW THE REMARKS.

SO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE TO TESTIFY, MIGHT BE VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE A NUMBER OF THEM COULD THEMSELVES TESTIFY IF THEY WANTED TO.

AND DICK DURBIN SAID HE MAY NOT BE THE ONE TO TALK ABOUT AND DECIDE THE WITNESSES.

THAT IS THE MANAGERS OF THE HOUSE MANAGERS AND THE PRESIDENT'S OWN LEGAL TEAM BUT HE SAID HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY COMES OUT.

>> AND RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD NEED 17 REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF THE SENATE TO CONVICT.

THEY DO NOT HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT FOLKS STATING ON THE RECORD HOW THEY WILL VOTE.

BUT WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT-AND-SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT WEEK.

LET'S TALK ABOUT CONGRESSMAN ADAM KINZINGER, A REPUBLICAN FROM ILLINOIS HE WAS ONE OF 11 REPUBLICANS TO VOTE TO OUST FRESHMAN CONGRESSWOMAN MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE FROM COMMITTEES.

HERE IS WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.

>> I DIDN'T HEAR AN APOLOGY PERSONALLY.

MAYBE SHE DID SAY IT BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS I THINK UNTIL SHE PUBLICLY DISAVOWS ALL HER COMMENTS FROM THE PAST AND SAYS EVERYTHING GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T TAKE IT TOO SERIOUSLY.

>> THERE WERE 11 THAT VOTED AGAINST ME YESTERDAY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR LEADERS SHOULD BE VERY UPSET ABOUT.

>> RICK PEARSON, WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF KICKING HER OFF THE COMMITTEES?

>> WELL, I MEAN IT IS A REPRIMAND AND CERTAINLY ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS IS THE FACT THAT YOU DID HAVE MAJORITY DEMOCRATS REPRIMANDING A MINORITY COMMITTEE MINORITY MEMBER BY STRIPPING HER OF COMMITTEES.

BUT YOU DID HAVE THE FACT THAT YOU DID HAVE REPUBLICAN CROSSOVERS SUCH AS ADAM KINZINGER.

SHE IS TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY TODAY SAYING WELL, SERVING ON DEMOCRATIC RUN COMMITTEES WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME.

AND SHE BASICALLY SAID IN SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT THOSE WHO VOTED TO OUST HERE WERE MORONS BECAUSE THEY GAVE HER MORE FREE PUBLICITY.

>> AND AS ADAM KINZINGER SAID HE BELIEVES SHE IS SOMEONE NOT A SERIOUS POLICY PERSON OUT THERE TO GET PUBLICITY AND BUILD HER BRAND AND BECOME A SOCIAL MEDIA STAR.

MAURICIO PENA IS THERE A RISK WITH ALL THIS ATTENTION ON HER THAT MAYBE WE IN THE MEDIA FOLKS IN THE POLITICAL ARENA ARE ELEVATING HER BEYOND WHAT SHE DESERVES TO BE ELEVATED?

>> I THINK THERE IS ALWAYS A RISK OF GIVING EXTRA ATTENTION TO SOMEONE ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONE FOR CONTROVERSIAL COMMENTS.

SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON US AS AN INDUSTRY TO BE EXTRA CAUTIOUS OF HOW WE COVER THINGS LIKE SHE SAYS IT ELEVATES THE THEORIES THAT HAVE BEEN AT THE FRINGE.

SO I THINK YOU KNOW, JOURNALISTS, REPORTERS EVERYONE HAS TO BE MINDFUL HOW THEY DO COVER WHAT SHE SAYS AND YOU KNOW THAT FALLOUT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN CONGRESS.

>> CAN I SAY HERE, SHE IS AN ELECTED MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

WE'RE JUST COMING OFF JANUARY 6TH.

AND AN INSURRECTION THAT OCCURRED.

TO HAVE SOMEONE IN THAT CHAMBER WHO HAS ESPOUSED THE BELIEFS THAT SHE HAS THAT 9/11 WAS FAKE AND MASS SHOOTINGS WERE FALSE FLAGS SETUP BY GUN PROPONENTS TO -- >> THREATEN THE LIVES OF THE HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI.

>> ON TOP OF THAT, AND THEN EVEN IF HER REMARKS YESTERDAY ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE, LIKING THE MEDIA TO QANON AS SPREADERS OF LIES AND AFAKE.

THIS IS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS.

SHE HAS AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

>> WHICH IS WHY THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY STORY.

RICK, KINGS GEAR IS ONE OF THE -- ADAM KINZINGER IS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST HER AND TRUMP HE STARTED THIS PAC MEANWHILE, THE ILLINOIS G.O.P.

IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DIRECTION IT'S GOING TO GO.

HOW IS ALL THAT GOING TO PLAY OUT?

>> WELL, THE STATE G.O.P.

UNLIKE OTHER STATE REPUBLICAN PARTIES THAT ISSUED CENSURES AGAINST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT REPUBLICAN MEMBERS THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT STATE G.O.P.

TODAY ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING THEY DISAGREE WITH THE VOTE ON TRUMP'S IMPEACHMENT.

BUT THEY ARE SAYING THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE VOTERS ULTIMATELY DECIDE ON THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND THEY HAVE THEIR VOTE FOR CHAIRMAN ON SATURDAY.

>> AND SO MAYBE THEY ARE NOT BRINGING THE HAMMER DOWN AS OTHERS ARE ON REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST TRUMP.

CRAIG DELLIMORE IF YOU HAD TO GUESS WILL THE ILLINOIS G.O.P.

PICK SOMEONE MORE TRUMPY MORE MODERATE, MAYBE A BRIDGE BETWEEN THE TWO?

>> I THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THEY WILL DO.

AT THE MOMENT THERE ARE ONLY REALLY TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING FOR IT.

AND IT'S THE SAME TUG OF WAR THAT EXISTED FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS BETWEEN THOSE WHO ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE AND MORE FAVORABLE TOWARD DONALD TRUMP.

AND THOSE WHO ARE MORE MODERATE.

AND WANT TO HAVE MORE CENTRIST POSITIONS.

AT THE MOMENT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMPROMISE CANDIDATE COMING THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN THE FACT THAT TIM SCHNEIDER WHO WHO IS THE OUTGOING CHAIRMAN WANTED TO LEAVE TELLS YOU THAT THEY HAVE NOT REALLY FOUND THEIR DIRECTION YET.

>> IT'S A BATTLE FOR THE PARTY STATE-WIDE.

RICK WE HAVE AD COUPLE SECONDS THIS PAC THAT ADAM KINZINGER TARTS HOW SUCCESSFUL DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE?

>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS WHO DO NOT VIEW THEMSELVES AS TRUMP REPUBLICANS.

AND WHAT ADAM KINZINGER IS COUNTING ON IS THAT WHAT YOU'VE SEEN THE EROSION OF THE SUBURBS SOME OF THAT IS DEMOGRAPHIC AND IDEOLOGICAL AND SOME IS JUST REPUBLICANS THAT USED TO OWN THE SUBURBS OF THEM SAYING ENOUGH OF TRUMP.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AS THIS PAC VERSUS DONALD TRUMP AND THE MONEY HE CAN RAISE AND THE FACT THAT AS MPG SAID TRUMP OWNS THIS PARTY.

>> AN UPHILL BATTLE AND HE FEELS LONELY ON THAT HILL.

WE'RE OUT OF TIME THANKS TO RICK PEARSON, MAURICIO PENA, CRAIG DELLIMORE, AND NADER ISSA.

AND THAT IS OUR SHOW.

WE'RE BACK AT 7:00 P.M. FOR NEXT WEEK.

FOR "THE WEEK IN REVIEW" I'M PARIS SCHUTZ THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

STAY HEALTHY AND WARM AND HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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