[♪♪] >> Renee: GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO "KENTUCKY TONIGHT" I'M RENEE SHAW.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

OUR TOPIC THE YOUTH VOTE.

AND THIS YEAR'S ELECTION.

RESEARCH SAYS YOUNG VOTERS CAN BE UNPREDICTABLE.

VOTERS AGES 18-29 VOTED IN 2016 AND IT WENT UP TO 50% IN 2020.

WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE THIS YEAR?

NATIONALLY AND IN KENTUCKY.

HOW WILL THEY VOTED AND WHAT ISSUE ALSO MOTIVATE THEM?

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AND MORE WITH THE FOUR GUESTS IN OUR LEXINGTON STUDIO TONIGHT.

SEBASTIAN TORRES CHAIR OF THE KENTUCKY YOUNG REPUBLICAN FEDERATION.

ALLISON WISEMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE KENTUCKY YOUNG DEMOCRATS.

EMILY WHITE, NATIONAL COMMITTEEWOMAN FOR THE KENTUCKY YOUNG REPUBLICAN FEDERATION AND RICK ADAMS A DEMOCRAT AND A FORMER KENTUCKY STATE HOUSE CANDIDATE.

WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

SEND US YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BY X AT PUB AFFAIRS KET.

SEND AN E-MAIL TO KET.ORG OR USE THE WEB FORM KET.ORG KY TONIGHT OR CALL 1-800-494-7605.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

GREAT TO HAVE FRESH FACES ON HERE.

YOU ARE ALL READY FOR THE ELECTION DOBB DONE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Renee: WE AGREE ON THAT AND PETE ROSE NEEDS TO BE IN THE HALL OF FAME.

WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON?

THANK YOU ALL SINCERELY.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE YOUTH VOTE IS.

SOMETIMES WE HEAR IT'S 18-29.

UNDER 35.

IS THERE A CONSENSUS WHO QUALIFIES AS THE YOUTH VOTE.

IF YOU ARE 40?

>> FOR KENTUCKY YOUNG DEMOCRATS OUR ORGANIZATION IS 40 AND UNDER.

YOU ARE CONSIDERED A YOUNG DEM IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY.

>> Renee: WE HAVE THE SAME METRIC UNDER THE AGE OF 40 WHICH MAKES UP THE MINORITY OF THE VOTER BASE.

>> Renee: SO THERE IS A LOT OF SPECULATION ABOUT WHAT YOUNG PEOPLE CARE ABOUT AND LITTLE RESEARCH THAT ACTUALLY SEWS WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE PERSUADED BY.

ARE YOU PERSUADED MORE BY WE KNOW WHAT YOUR CANDIDATINGS ARE THE PERSONALITY, THE LIKABILITY OF THE CANDIDATE OR POLICY POSITIONS.

EMILY I START WITH YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE A PART OF THIS THIS EVENING.

>> Renee: MY PLEASURE.

>> THIS ELECTION IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE AMERICAN DREAM IS IN JEOPARDY.

THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION'S POLICIES FAILED YOUNG AMERICANS.

IT HAS CAUSED SKYROCKETING INFLATION AT THAT TIME MADE EVERYDAY LIVING UNAFFORDABLE.

HALF OF AMERICANS CONSIDER THEMSELVES BROKE AND NEARLY TWO-THIRDS ARE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.

SO THE OPEN BORDER POLICIES THAT HAS LED TO A FLOOD OF DRUG AND CRIME INTO OUR COMMUNITIES AND KILLING OUR YOUTH.

TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS SHOWN THAT IT DOES NOT PRIORITIZE MY GENERATION AND THE PROSPERITY AND SAFETY OF US.

CONTRAST THAT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.

WE SAW AN UNPRECEDENTED ECONOMIC GROWTH.

JOBS WERE RISING.

AND WAGES WERE INCREASING.

WE HAD AN ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS FOCUSED ON SECURING THE BORDER AND PROVIDING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH THE RESOURCES THEY NEED.

>> Renee: SO THE TOP ISSUES PERHAPS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU WOULD BE IMMIGRATION?

>> IMMIGRATION, THE ECONOMY, CRIME, SAFETY.

A LOT OF AMERICANS RIGHT NOW DON'T FEEL SAFE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

SO AND THAT'S PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS PROVEN THAT HE HAS THAT LEADERSHIP TO BRING US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.

AND VOTERS ARE EXCITED TO ELECT HIM ONCE AGAIN COME THIS NOVEMBER.

>> Renee: THIS SIDE PROBABLY DISAGREES WITH SOME OF THAT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE TOP ISSUES FOR YOU AND OTHERS YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC AND HOW DOES THE HARRIS WALZ TICKET SATISFY THE CONCERNS?

>> I WOULD AGREE THAT ISSUES ARE WHAT MATTERS TO YOUNG VOTERS MORE SO THAN PERSONALITY BUT I THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE ELECTION BECAUSE TEMPERAMENT FOR OFFICE BECAUSE OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ACTIONS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

YOU TALK TO YOUNG VOTERS THEY WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AND SEE ONE CANDIDATE THAT IS SPREADING CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND LICE AND RUMORS ABOUT FEMA RESPONSE FOR EXAMPLE AND TALKING ABOUT USING THE MILITARY TO SILENCE ENEMIES WITHIN THREE WEEKS BEFORE AN ELECTION.

AND EVERYONE CARES ABOUT THEIR KITCHEN TABLE ISSUES AND HOW THEIR LIVES WILL BE IMPROVED BUT UMBRELLA ISSUE OVERALL OF THAT IS THE PERSON WE HAVE AT THE HELM LEADING OUR COUNTRY HAS TO BE STABLE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK ONLY ONE OF THE CANDIDATES IS SHOWING RIGHT NOW.

>> Renee: ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE STABILITY OF FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP?

>> I SAY THAT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP RAN THE COUNTRY FOR FOUR YEARS THROUGH WHAT WAS FRANKLY AN UNPRECEDENTED PANDEMIC.

AND THE WHEELS KEPT MOVING.

I THINK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S IN A POSITION WHERE HE HAS POLICY ADVISERS AND INDIVIDUALS AROUND HIM THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT HE HAS A SUCCESSFUL NEXT FOUR YEARS.

AND I'D LIKE TO PUSHBACK ON THE IDEA THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP'SED ONLY ONE HERE WITH SOME SORT OF PERSONALITY ISSUE.

KAMALA HARRIS, TIM WALZ TWO VERY RADICAL MEMBERS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

TIM WALZ, UP FROM MINNESOTA, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME QUESTIONABLE LEADERSHIP DURING THE RIOTS.

IN MY OPINION, REALLY FAILED TO PROTECT FOLKS IN MILWAUKEE.

KAMALA HARRIS, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE SHE WAS THROWN TO THE SIDE FOR A LITTLE BIT HAS BEEN POPPED OUT NOW THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN'S DECLINE IS SO EVIDENT.

AND I'D SAY WHERE WAS SHE DURING THAT DECLINE?

WHY WASN'T SHE STEPPING UP AND SAYING HEY IT'S TIME FOR ME TO STEP IN.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE TRUSTED HER TO DO THAT.

>> Renee: YOUR TAKE ON IT.

>> IT'S VICE-PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS NOT KAMALA HARRIS.

KAMALA HARRIS.

AND FOR ME THE BIGGEST THING IS STUDENT LOANS.

BECAUSE I'M SOMEONE WHO IS SIX FIGURES IN DEBT AND PRESIDENT BIDEN'S SAVE PLAN WHILE I AM MAKING THE PAYMENTS ON MY LOANS I TOOK THE LOANS OUT TO GO TO SCHOOL AND I ACCEPT THAT.

WHAT HIS PAYMENT PLAN HAS ALLOWED ME TO DO IS NOT LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.

IT'S LET ME DO A JOB I LOVE DOING IN THE NONPROFIT WORLD.

LIVING AND HAVING MY OWN APARTMENT AND MAKING STUDENT LOAN PAYMENTS.

I'M STILL PAYING BACK MY LOAN PROVIDER AND SERVER AND THE SCHOOL AT A MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE RATE.

WHEN I TALK TO YOUNG VOTERS, REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT AND INDEPENDENTS BECAUSE I HELPED THEM ENROLL IN THE PLAN THEY AGREE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROJECT 2025 THAT'S GONE.

STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS ANY ASSISTANCE WITH STUDENT LOANS AND THE VICE-PRESIDENT BELIEVES IN THE SAFE PLATE AND OTHER FORMS OF ASSISTANCE BECAUSE SHE UNDERSTANDS WHILE WE ARE BURIED IN THE STUDENT LOAN DEBT IT'S KEEPING US FROM PARTICIPATING IN THE ECONOMY AND DOING WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND BUILDING HOMES AND STUFF.

THAT IS A BIG THING.

>> Renee: WHEN IT COMES TO STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS THIS IS INEN SNARLED BY THE COURTS AND BORROWERS WHO ARE WAITING THINKING I WILL HAVE THESE HUGE AMOUNTS OF STUDENT LOAN DEBT THAT I CAN'T REPAY ISN'T THAT GOING TO REFLECT POORLY ON VICE-PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS?

>> IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT'S THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM IT'S JUDGES THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS APPOINTED ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPREME COURT THAT ARE STRIKING THIS STUFF DOWN.

SHE HAS PUBLICLY ADVOCATING FOR A SIMILAR PLAN.

TO HA PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE TO VOTERS THAT ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES FROM THE LEGISLATIVE SECTION OF THE GOVERNMENT TO THE EXECUTIVE.

AND TO THE JUDICIAL BRANCH AND THAT IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO ELECT A PRESIDENT LIKE VICE-PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS WHO CAN APPOINT THESE JUDGES THAT ARE GOING TO HEAR THE CASES AND MAKE THESE MONUMENTAL DECISIONS.

>> Renee: LET'S HANG OUR HATTED ON THE STUDENT LOAN ISSUE.

HOW MUCH OF AN ALBA TROSES CAN IT BE AROUND A KAMALA HARRIS' NECK AND TIE IT TO THE ADMINISTRATION THAT COULDN'T GET IT TO THE FINISH LINE.

>> IT'S GOVERNMENT 101 CONGRESS HAS THE POWER OF THE PURSE AND THERE ARE EXECUTIVE POWERS VESTED WITHIN THE PRESIDENCY BUT THIS STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS PLAN TRUMPETED BY THE BIDEN-HARRIS PLAN IT IS A JUMP AND FRANKLY IT'S ELECTIONEERING AT ITS WORSE IN MY OPINION.

AND I FEEL FOR THE THOSE WITH LOANS WHO ARE SITTING HERE GOING OKAY HOW DO I PLAN MY FINANCIAL FUTURE WHEN I'M SITTING HERE GOING ARE THE COURTS GOING TO DEFINE FOR IT.

IF I WERE SPEAKING TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS I WOULD TELL THEM I WOULDN'T HANG MY HAT ON IT.

>> Renee: WHAT KIND OF A PLAN DOES A FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SEEKING ANOTHER TERM WHAT KIND OF PLAN DOES HE HAVE TO HELP STUDENTS MIRED IN STUDENT LOAN DEBT?

DOES HE HAVE A PLAN?

>> WE CAN HAVE A BIG DISCUSSION MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TRATION'S HAD -- TRUMP ADMINISTRATIONS HAD PREVIOUS WORKING TO PASS LEGISLATION WITH REGARDS TO TAX DEDUCTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO INTEREST ON STUDENT LOANS.

I THINK PERSONALLY HAVING PERSONALLY SERVED ON THE COUNCIL OF POST-SECONDARY HERE IN KEN DEN AS A STUDENT REPRESENTATIVE, I THINK THAT CONGRESS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TRANSPARENCY WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE MANAGE COLLEGE TUITION.

AND HA KIND OF RAISES ON COLLEGE TUITION YOU CAN SEE WHILE YOU ARE IN COLLEGE.

THAT SAID THAT IS THE PLACE FOR CONGRESS NOT FOR THE PRESIDENT.

>> Renee: AND THERE WAS AGREEING HERE.

WILL IS LIST YOU WERE TAKING YOUR HEAD.

I DON'T KNOW RICK IF YOU AGREE?

>> YOUR AGREE WILL IT BE AN ALBATROSS AROUND VICE-PRESIDENT'S NECK.

NO IT WAS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION WE ARE PUT IN WITH THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS THAT REFUSES TO SAY YES TO ANYTHING.

AND FOR THEIR OWN POLITICAL PURPOSES.

IT'S NOT THAT DIFFERENT FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO CONSERVATIVE NEGOTIATED IMMIGRATION BILL THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP KILLED BECAUSE IT WAS A POLITICAL ISSUE THAT WOULD BENEFIT HIM.

I DON'T THINK THAT REPUBLICAN CAUCUS IN WASHINGTON IS SERIOUSLY INTERESTED IN GOVERNING.

AND SO THAT LEAVES THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH TO ACT WHERE IT CAN AND WE'VE HAD RESPONSIBLE DEMOCRATS IN THAT OFFICE THE LAST FOUR YEARS WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGAINST STRONG HEADWINDS FROM THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS.

>> Renee: BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT MORE ABOUT KEY ISSUES AND INDIVIDUAL ISSUES I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR CANDIDATE FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS DOING TO CATER TO OR APPEAL TO YOUNG VOTERS.

EMILY, SPECIFICALLY YOU MENTIONED A LITANY OF ISSUES SUCH AS ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION.

BEYOND THAT IS THERE A PLATFORM PLANK THAT SAYS THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO DO FOR THIS SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION?

>> YEAH, RENEE, I THINK LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE MY GENERATION IS ENTERING AN ECONOMY THAT IT'S VERY HARD TO AFFORD GROCERIES, CHILDCARE, GAS.

AND WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO DO IS STRAIGHTEN OUT OUR ECONOMY AND BRING PRICES BACK DOWN.

AND MAKE IT TO WHERE IT'S POSSIBLE FOR MY GENERATION TO BUY A HOUSE AND TO RAISE A CHILD AND RIGHT NOW, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT MY GENERATION FEELS PUSHED OUT.

IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLAN FOR A FUTURE LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> Renee: I THINK THE OTHER SIDE WOULD SAY WELL THAT IS WHAT THE HARRIS WALZ TICKET WANTS TO DO AS WELL.

WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD DONALD TRUMP DO?

>> I WILL SAY THIS I THINK THAT HE'S PRESIDENT TRUMP SET A TONE THAT YOUNG VOICES ARE TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

AND HE DID SO BY NOMINATING A YOUNG REPUBLICAN TO BE VICE-PRESIDENT -- TO BE THE NOMINEE FOR VICE-PRESIDENT.

J.D.

VANCE BRINGS A YOUNG PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE.

AND FRANKLY HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT WITHIN HIS OWN PERSONAL STORY THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT AT LENGTH.

I THINK HAVING THAT VIEWPOINT BE FRONT AND CENTER IS A HUGE SHIFT IN PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL POLITICS.

AS FAR AS ISSUES GO, YES, THE ECONOMY GENERALLY IMPROVING IT IN A MANNER THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW EVERYDAY AMERICANS ESPECIALLY AT OUR AGE GROUP SOMETIMES STRADDLED WITH STUDENT LOAN DEBT.

AND CERTAIN GENERATIONAL ISSUES TO BE ABLE TO THRIVE IS ABSOLUTELY A FOCUS.

I WILL SAY, TOO.

AS A YOUNG PERSON I JUST RECENTLY CAME OUT OF DRAFT ELIGIBILITY.

AND I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT THE FOREIGN POLICY BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES AND WONDERING WHO IS GOING TO GET ME INVOLVED IN A MAJOR WAR?

I KNOW THAT IS A SCARY THING TO TALK ABOUT.

I DO THINK IT'S HANGING IN THE BACK OF SOME YOUNG AMERICANS' HEADS.

BECAUSE FRANKLY WE SIGN A FORM WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO GET FEDERAL ASSISTANCE TO GO TO COLLEGE TO BE A PART OF THAT SYSTEM.

AND I THINK THAT AND FRANKLY THERE ARE MANY YOUNG AMERICANS I'M SURE EVERY PERSON ON THIS PANEL KNOWS SOMEONE WHO WENT OVERSEAS TO SERVE AND THINKS ABOUT THAT PERSON WHEN THEY WERE OVER THERE.

I THINK A LOT OF YOUNG AMERICANS ARE TIRED OF HAWKISH FOREIGN POLICY AND FRANKLY THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN UNDER THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION.

>> Renee: PREFER ISOLATIONISM?

>> I'M NOT SAYING ISOLATIONISM I'M SAYING NONINTERVENTIONISM.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT RAND PAUL AND DONALD TRUMP WERE ABLE TO AGREE ON IN HIS PRESIDENCY.

>> Renee: BUT NOT MITCH McCONNELL?

>> AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHICH FRANKLY FOR A LONGTIME HAS TRUMPETED ITSELF AS BEING ANTIWAR HAS TAKEN A HAWKISH STANCE AS WELL.

THERE ARE PARTY FIGHTS AMONG THAT.

BUT I THINK YOUNG VOTERS ARE KEEPING THEIR EYES ON THE FOREIGN POLICY OBJECTIVES.

AND I'LL SAY PRESIDENT BIDEN'S AFGHANISTAN WITHDRAWAL I DON'T THINK HELPS WITH THAT TRYING TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT THEY ARE THE SIDE TO GO WITH THIS NOVEMBER.

>> Renee: WHEN IT COMES TO FOREIGN POLICY, WEAKNESS AND STRENGTH HOW STRONG HAS BIDEN BEEN THAT CAN BE A REFLECTION ON KAMALA HARRIS AND HAS SHE DEMONSTRATED TO PROTECT U.S.

INTERESTS WHILE AT THE SAME TIME NOT INTERVENING IN WARS UNNECESSARILY?

>> FIRST, UP I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE REASON THAT SENATOR VANCE IS THE FORMER VICE-PRESIDENT WAS THREATENED TO BE MURDERED AT THE CAPITOL.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO FOREIGN POLICY, AMERICA'S LOOKED AT AS THIS GREAT GOLDEN COUNTRY IN TERMS OF HELPING SO MANY ESPECIALLY OUR ALLIES IN NATO SOMETHING FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO WITHDRAW FROM SOMETHING WE CANNOT WITHDRAW FROM BECAUSE OF THE STRONG ALLIANCE WITH OUR ALLIES.

THAT COMES WITH HELPING NATO AND HELPING UKRAINE SUFFERING AT THE HANDS WITH THE KREMLIN AND VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GOOD FRIENDS WITH AND LEARNED IN A BOMBSHELL RECORDING WAS GIVEN COVID-19 TESTS TO.

WE HAVE TO HELP OUR ALLIES WHEN NEEDED AND I SEE THAT IN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND I SEE THAT IN VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS THEY ARE ACTIVELY TALKING ABOUT.

YOU HAVE THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN STEIN CONFLICT AT THE TOP FRONT OF THIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND SOMETHING THE VICE-PRESIDENT IS NOT AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT.

I HAVE NOT HEARD FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TALK ANY SENSE REGARDING THAT CONFLICT AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE MIND OF YOUNG VOTERS.

BUT YOU ARE SEEING THE VICE-PRESIDENT ACTIVELY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MEETING WITH PEOPLE WHERE THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS NOT DOING THAT.

AND IT IS A SENSE OF ISOLATIONISM IT IS A SENSE OF AMERICA, AMERICA, AMERICA.

BUT AMERICA THRIVES WHEN WE OPEN OUR ARMS TO EVERYBODY AND HELP EVERYBODY AND GIVE AID WHEN NEEDED SO WE CAN ALL THRIVE IN A DEMOCRACY WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN UKRAINE AND OTHER PARTS AROUND THE GLOBE.

>> Renee: RICK?

>> IT GOES BACK TO WHERE THE CONVERSATION GOES TEMPER MEANT AND LEADERSHIP.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WITH VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS RIGHT THERE ALONG THE WAY HAS BEEN SPENDING REPAIRS BUILDING ALLIANCES TORN APART UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

AND I AGREE WITH SEBASTIEN HE SAID THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ISN'T NECESSARILY ISOLATIONIST AND I THINK THAT LABEL GETS THROWN OUT A LOT.

I DON'T THINK IT IS AN ISOLATIONIST PARTY THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE WHO OUR ALLIES ARE.

AND SHIFT US AWAY FROM A NATO ALLIANCE TOWARDS A PRO RUSH AN AND ALIGNED WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN, LIKE KIM JUNG UN BECAUSE THEY FLATTER DONALD TRUMP.

AND THAT GOES BACK TO TEMPER MEANT AND LEADERSHIP RESPONSIBILITY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS PROVEN THAT HE CANNOT PROVIDE.

>> Renee: EMILY RESPOND TO THAT JUDGMENT QUESTION AND FITNESS FOR OFFICE THAT OFTEN ARE THOSE ONE OF THE THREE KIND OF WAYS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN QUESTIONED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE IS ABLE TO LEAD AGAIN.

THAT HE LACKS ONE OR ALL THREE OF THOSE QUALITIES?

>> LOOK, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASK YOURSELF ARE YOU BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE FOUR YEARS AGO?

AND WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP SURE, CAN MAKE A FEW MEAN TWEETS PRESIDENT TRUMP BROUGHT STABILITY BACK TO THIS COUNTRY.

HE MADE OUR FAMILIES FEEL SAFE AGAIN.

HE MADE IT TO WHERE WE COULD AFFORD TO LIKE I WAS SAYING AFFORD GROCERIES, AFFORD A HOUSE, AFFORD TO HAVE I AFAMILY.

AND WHILE THOSE ARE CERTAIN IMPORTANT ISSUES IN A LEADER, I THINK THAT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP WHAT HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE IS MORE IMPORTANT.

>> Renee: WHEN PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THOSE WHO ARE NOT TRUMP SUPPORTERS QUESTION WHAT HE MEANS BY MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, THEY LOOK AT THAT PERHAPS THROUGH A LENS OF RACISM, SEXISM, OTHER TYPES OFISMS IN OUR SOCIETY THAT TAKES US BACK TO PRECIVIL RIGHTS ERA AND OTHER FREEDOMS.

HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> I WOULD RESPOND TO THAT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS REPEATEDLY SAID THAT HE HAS AMERICAN FIRST POLICIES.

AND THAT REFLECTS IN HIS THE POLICIES THAT HE SUPPORTS.

WHETHER IT IS A SECURE BORDER LIKE I SAID, THE DRUGS AND CRIME, THE FENTANYL THAT IS FLOWING INTO OUR COMMUNITIES AND KILLING OUR CHILDREN, IS SCARING AMERICAN VOTERS.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TAKE TO THE BALLOT BOX THIS YEAR.

>> Renee: AND ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HE IS COURTING FEAR RATHER THAN RECONCILIATION AND CIVILITY?

YOUR RESPONSE?

>> I THINK THERE ARE I'LL ADMITTEDLY SAY THERE WERE TIMES I WISH HE WORDED SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT AS FAR AS THE SCARE TACTICS THAT COME FROM THE LEFT IN REGARDS TO WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO GO I WILL ASK YOU WHY DIDN'T HE DO THOSE THINGS BETWEEN 2016 AND 2020?

A LOT OF THESE SCARE TACTICS IN MY OPINION, THEY ARE NOT THE CASE OF WHAT HIS PRIORITIES ARE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT -- I WOULD LIKE TO JUST I WILL RESPECTFULLY REFUTE THE IDEA THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TRYING TO BE FRIENDS WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AND KIM JUNG UN OVER AMERICAN INTEREST AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE CLEAR THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IN MY OPINION, HAS NOTHING IN HIM IN IT FOR HIM WHEN IT COMES TO BEING IN THE ROLE OF PRESIDENT.

HE'S AN INDIVIDUAL WHO COULD HAVE WALKED WAY FROM HIS REAL ESTATE EMPIRE AND JUST GONE INTO THE SUNSET TO SIT AT MAR-A-LAGO.

INSTEAD HE IS FIGHTING FOR AMERICANS ON THESE ISSUES.

>> Renee: SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY HE IS AVOIDING JAIL?

34 FELONY CONVICTIONS.

>> THERE ARE CASES BEING LITIGATED AND THE CASE I THINK YOU ARE REFERRING TO IS OCCURRING AT THE APPELLATE STAGE.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, I DO THINK EVEN BEFORE HIS FIRST PRESIDENCY, HE COULD HAVE NOT EVEN GOTTEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS.

HE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING AT HIM.

AND IT GOES TO SHOW HE IS SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO HELP EVERY AMERICAN.

OTHERWISE WHY WADE IN.

>> Renee: IS HE THE BEST REPUBLICAN TO LEAD THE PARTY?

>> THE PRIMARY VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN I'M NOT GOING TO QUESTION THE PRIMARY VOTERS.

>> Renee: SAME QUESTION THE WAY IT SHOOK OUT WITH KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT THE CONVENTIONAL WAY.

WOULD SHE HAVE BEEN YOUR PICK FROM THE BEGINNING?

>> YES, SOMEONE WHO WAS A DNC DELEGATE IT WAS EXCITING TO BE PART OF SUCH HISTORY AS A DELEGATE AND FORMERLY NOMINATING THE WHO WILL BE THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT WHEN I VOTED FOR THE FIRST TIME I WAS VOTING FOR SECRETARY HILLARY CLINTON, AND IT DIDN'T WORKOUT THAT WAY.

BUT BEING AT THE DNC AND BEING PART OF THAT IN SUCH EXCITEMENT AND ENTHUSIASM IN HONESTLY AT THE DNC SEEING YOUTH ENGAGEMENT AND RICK WAS THERE, TOO.

THERE WAS TARGETED INTERACTION WITH THE YOUTH THERE WITH INFLUENCERS AND SOCIAL MEDIA.

WITH INTERVIEWS WITH EVERYTHING THERE.

THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO TARGET TWO YOUNG PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS ELECTION.

I'M BEYOND THRILLED THAT VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS IS OUR NOMINEE.

GOVERNOR WALZ WAS A GREAT VICE-PRESIDENTIAL PICK I THINK THEIR TICKET IS STRONG AND SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO FIGHT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND I'M EXCITED TO WATCH THEM WIN.

>> Renee: AS MUCH AS THERE'S CRITICISM ABOUT DONALD TRUMP BEING ON STUDY, THE SAME CRITICISM OF A KAMALA HARRIS BEING UNTESTED.

AND CERTAINLY WAFFLING IN POSITION.

HAS SHE STEADIED HER COURSE ON HER POSITIONS AND SHE KEEPS SAYING MY VALUES ARE CONSISTENT AND I DON'T BUDGE FROM MY VALUES BUT SHE HAS BUDGED FROM HER POSITIONS AND YOU ARE SOMETIMES NOT CLEAR WHERE SHE STANDS.

DO THE AMERICAN VOTERS DESERVE THAT KIND OF PERSON TO LEAD WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE LEADERSHIP TO SAY THIS IS WHERE I STAND?

>> I THINK SHE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS FOUGHT FOR HER BELIEFS AND THE PEOPLE HER CAREER AS PROSECUTOR, ATTORNEY GENERAL AND U.S.

SENATOR AND NOW VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

AS WE SAW IN THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, GOVERNOR WALZ TALKED ABOUT HOW HE CHANGED HIS POINT OF VIEW REGARDING ASSAULT RIFLES AFTER MEETING WITH SANDY HOOK FAMILIES.

IT IS OKAY TO EVOLVE ON YOUR STANCES OVER TIME AND THAT MAKES YOU A STRONG POLITICIAN WHEN YOU CAN LOOK AT WHAT YOU BELIEVED THEN AND LIVED EXPERIENCES, AND NOW HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW.

AND TO ME THAT MEANS THAT SHE IS LISTENING AND PAYING ATTENTION AND HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

SHE IS GOVERNING.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO SEE IN A PRESIDENT.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT WITH THE TICKET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE.

I SEE SAME BELIEFS SAME POLICY SAME STANCES AND NO EVOLUTION OF STANCES AND BELIEFS.

WHEREAS WITH HER I THINK IT'S GOOD AND HEALTHY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SEE SOMEONE WHO HAS CHANGED.

>> Renee: THERE'S BEEN AN EVOLUTION IN POSITION FOR DONALD TRUMP ON ABORTION FOR SUPPORTING EXCEPTIONS FOR RAPE INCEST, IS THAT CORRECT CHARACTERIZATION?

>> WELL, I THINK FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY THIS -- >> Renee: HIS WIFE HAS.

>> THE ISSUE OF ABORTION IS AN ISSUE THAT TOUCHES THE HEART OF MANY KENTUCKIANS.

AND I AS A YOUNG WOMAN MYSELF, I UNDERSTAND HOW EMOTIONAL THIS TOPIC IS.

AND SENSE ROE VS. WADE WAS OVERTURNED THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DECIDE WHERE THE LINE IS, HAS BEEN PLACED IN THE HANDS OF OUR STATE LEGISLATURE.

AND THESE CONVERSATIONS WILL CONTINUE TO BE HAD ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE RESPECTFUL AND WE DO NOT VILLAINIZE ANYONE WHO HOLDS A DIFFERENT VIEW.

LOOK, ONE THING I THINK GETS LOST IN THIS CONVERSATION IS THAT PEOPLE'S PRO-LIFE VIEWS COME FROM A PLACE OF EMPATHY.

WE CARE ABOUT MOTHERS AND WE CARE ABOUT THE BABIES.

AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL CONSERVATIVES AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL REPUBLICANS, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS AS CONSERVATIVES WE UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS ISSUE.

THE DIVERSE OPINIONS THAT EXIST ESPECIALLY EVEN IN OUR OWN PARTY.

BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO FOSTERING THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT REFLECT THAT.

>> IF I MAY, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE STEADYING OF KAMALA HARRIS AND FRANKLY, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS A WHOLE.

I I'VE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL DEMOCRATS WHO FEEL DISENFRANCHISED I APPRECIATE WHAT ALLISON IS HOW THE CONVENTION MAY HAVE FELT AND INFLUENCERS AND A LOT OF EXCITEMENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT -- I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY DEMOCRATS FRANKLY WHO FEEL LIKE THEY WERE LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS WITH THE SWITCH.

AND FRANKLY, ESPECIALLY SOME YOUNG DEMOCRATS WHO ARE GOING NOW THERE IS A FORMER PROSECUTOR FROM CALIFORNIA WHO PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR MARIJUANA, WHO GETS TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY GOT TO HAVE THEIR VOICE WHO THAT BEST PERSON WOULD HAVE BEEN.

SORRY, I COULDN'T LET IT PASS BY WITHOUT BRINGING IT UP.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC BASE ONCE WE GET OUT OF THE POLITICAL INSIDER CIRCLES ACTUALLY FEELS EXCITED ABOUT VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS.

>> I DISAGREE AND I WOULD LIKE TO MEET SOME OF THOSE DEMOCRATS I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY OF THEM.

AND IN FACT THE SWITCH FROM BIDEN TO HARRIS IS ONE OF THE PROUDEST MOMENTS OF ME BEING A DEMOCRAT IN MY LIFE.

AND I THINK IT'S SUCH A STARK DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.

AFTER THE DEBATE WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR JOE BIDEN COULD NOT SERVE FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STEPPED UP AND DID WHAT A PARTY IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND TOOK ACTION AND REPLACED THE CANDIDATE WITH SOMEBODY THAT WOULD LEAD OUR COUNTRY FOR FOUR AND EIGHT YEARS IN THE FUTURE.

IT IS EQUALLY AND MUCH MORE CLEAR THAT DONALD TRUMP IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FALLS IN LINE AND PURGES ANYONE THAT DISAGREES AND NOW THOSE PEOPLE ARE COMING OVER TO THE DEMOCRATIC COALITION AND WARNING ABOUT THE DANGERS THAT DONALD TRUMP THIS COUNTRY UNDER DONALD TRUMP WILL FACE.

>> IS PRESIDENT BIDEN CURRENTLY FIT TO BE IN OFFICE?

>> HE IS LEADING THE COUNTRY WELL AS THE OLDEST PRESIDENT TO OCCUPY THE OVAL OFFICE.

>> WHY HAS HAVE THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE FOLKS IN THE WEST WING LET IT GO ON THIS LONG IF PRESIDENT BIDEN WASN'T PREPARED TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE TWO MONTHS AGO I WILL ASSUME HE WASN'T PREPARED EIGHT MONTHS AGO.

WHY THE FACADE.

>> HE IS CAPABLE OF SERVING AS PRESIDENT AND CAMPAIGNING AS PRESIDENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE AND THERE ARE LEGITIMATE DOUBTS ABOUT WHETHER HE COULD SERVE FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STOOD UP AND TOOK ACTION WHEN THAT BECAME CLEAR.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS, AGAIN, FALLEN IN LINE BEHIND AN UNFIT LEADER WHO EVERYDAY INSULTS THE OFFICE HE IS SEEKING.

>> Renee: TO THE CRITICISM HOW KAMALA HARRIS CAME TO BE THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE HOW DO YOU ASSUAGE THOSE CONCERNS THAT THE PROCESS WAS NOT FOLLOWED THERE WAS A BAIT AND SWITCH AND SHE DID NOT EARN THE NOMINATION THE WAY THAT IT IS USUALLY EARNED?

AND THAT SHE COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLICIT IN A PRESIDENT BEING IN A POSITION THAT HE PERHAPS IS NOT FIT TO BE IN?

>> I THINK THAT IS WHAT THIS CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS IS OUT INTRODUCING HERSELF TO THE COUNTRY AND CAMPAIGNING HARD FOR THE OFFICE.

AND SHE HAS TO ABSOLUTELY CONVINCE VOTERS THAT DID NOT SEE HER GET VETTED THROUGH A PRIMARY PROCESS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTSES AND REPUBLICANS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN LOOKING FOR ANOTHER OPTION SHE HAS TO PROVE TO THOSE VOTERS RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE THREE MORE WEEKS THAT SHE IS UP FOR THE JOB.

>> Renee: SPEAKING OF INDEPENDENTS THOSE 18-35 MAYBE 40, WE'LL STRETCH IT OUT FOR KENTUCKY COMPARISON ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE INDEPENDENT AND WE SEE IN KENTUCKY THAT 10% AND IT IS A GROWING NUMBER OF THOSE WHO ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE ARE INDEPENDENTS.

THE FASTER GROWING NON-AFFILIATION.

WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT FOR THE YOUNG VOTER, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?

THOSE WHO ARE INDEPENDENT, WHO MAY NOT PARTICULARLY CARE FOR EITHER ONE CANDIDATE.

WHY SHOULD THEY BE PERSUADED TO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR A SECOND TERM?

>> WE ALL HATE LABELS AND I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE FALLING IN WITH THE INDEPENDENT DESIGNATION.

AND THAT BEING SAID WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WE ARE A BIG TENT PARTY AND I ENCOURAGE THE INDEPENDENT VOTERS COULD COME OVER EVEN IF EVERY TENET DOES THAT MATCH YOUR POLICY SET, IF WE'RE THERE WITH YOU ON MOST OF THEM, COME ON IN.

WE WELCOME YOU TO BE A PART OF THIS PARTY.

I'LL SAY THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE VOTERS TO GO AHEAD AND JOIN A SPECIFIC PARTY AS OPPOSED TO BEING AN INDEPENDENT.

BECAUSE FRANKLY YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON HERE IN KENTUCKY THE MOST CRUCIAL PART OF THE ELECTION SEASON WHICH IS THE PRIMARY.

THAT IS THE PLACE WHERE FRANKLY YOU ARE GOING TO SEE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS CANDIDATES WHO HAVE DIFFERING POLITICAL POSITIONS.

AND, YES, NOT ON EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.

FOR THE MOST PART THEY ARE COHESIVE BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES AND THEY ARE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCES.

AND IF YOU ARE REGISTERING AS AN INDEPENDENT, YOU JUST HAVE TO STAY OUT UNTIL THE GENERAL I'M WEIRD I TRY TO MAKE EVERY ELECTION I CAN.

THAT IS SINCE I TURNED 18 I WANTED TO VOTE IN EVERYONE I COULD.

AND I ENCOURAGE MORE YOUNG VOTERS TO DO SO.

JOIN A PARTY.

>> Renee: INDEPENDENTS VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION THEY CAN AS WELL.

LET'S GO TO YOU FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS, WHAT IS IT THAT WOULD DRIVE AN INDEPENDENT TO VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALZ?

>> WELL, I THINK THE ARGUMENT OF THE BIG TENT FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS SO FUNNY.

OUR TENT IS SO BIG, LIZ CHENEY IS IN IT.

DICK CHENEY IS IN IT.

FORMER TRUMP WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS IT IS WIDE OPEN OUR TENT.

AND I SPEAK TO INDEPENDENT VOTERS RIGHT NOW, CANVASING FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IN EASTERN LOUISVILLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR THE STATE HOUSE AND METRO COUNCIL WE ARE NOT GOING TO INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT DOORS AND THE THING THAT WOMEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICAN WOMEN, INDEPENDENT WOMEN, DEMOCRATIC WOMEN, DEMOCRATIC MEN, EVERYONE CAN AGREE ON NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO WHEN YOU MEET THE INDEPENDENT VOTER WHERE THEY'RE AT AND YOU FIND THAT COMMON GROUND YOU ARE LIKE OUR PARTY BELIEVES THIS TOO, YOU SHOULD COME VOTE AND COME HERE.

WE OPEN EVERYBODY WITH OPEN ARMS IN OUR PARTY.

WE HAVE THE CHENEY FAMILY IN OUR PARTY RIGHT NOW WHICH IS CRAZY TO THINK ABOUT.

SO WHEN YOU MEET THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT AND HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND OFFER WHAT IT IS OUR SIDE CAN GIVE THEM TO HELP THEM FEEL SAFE, TO FEEL THE NEED TO VOTE FOR THAT TICKET OR THAT PERSON, THEY FEEL SEEN AND THEY FEEL HEARD.

I DO AGREE I WISHED WE HAD CLOSED PARTY PRIMARIES IT IS DIFFICULT TO VOTE IN THAT PRIMARY ELECTION AND YOUR VOICE IS ONLY HEARD IN THE GENERAL BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR INDEPENDENT VOTERS AS MUCH AS IT IS TO HEAR DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICANS.

>> Renee: AND STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES IT'S OFTEN DECIDED AT THE PRIMARIES, RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> Renee: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES WE HAVE 23 MINUTES.

YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE?

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT THE WHOLE HOUR BUT WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES ON THE BALLOT AND TWO CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS.

AND WE'VE OFTEN SKIPPED OVER THE FIRST ONE AND VIEWERS CALLED ME OUT ON THAT.

WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE TALK ABOUT THAT QUICKLY.

THIS WOULD ASK ON YOUR BALLOT ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF AMENDING SECTIONS 145 AND 155 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF KENTUCKY TO PROHIBIT PERSONS NOT CITIZENS OF THE SUPPORT FROM BEING ALLOWED TO VOTE IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY.

AND SO THIS APPLIES TO LOCAL ELECTIONS ET CETERA.

WHY IS THIS NEEDED?

>> WELL IT'S A PUSHBACK TO FRANKLY LIBERAL CITY MAYORS WHO WITH LIBERAL CITY COMMISSIONS, COUNCILS HAVE DECIDED LET'S GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE NONCITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON SPECIFICALLY CITY RACES.

I'M NOT PERSONALLY AWARE OF THIS EXTENDING TO THE STATE.

BUT I'D SAY IF IT'S OCCURRING IN MAJOR U.S. CITIES THE NEXT STEP IS GOING TO BE AT THE STATE LEVEL.

>> Renee: IS IT OCCURRING IN KENTUCKY?

>> AT THIS POINT IT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S OCCURRING HERE IN KENTUCKY.

THAT BEING SAID, WE SHOULD BE AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THESE THINGS.

AND AGAIN, IF WE'RE SEEING IT IN LARGE CITIES, THAT THERE IS A PUSH TO ALLOW NONCITIZENS TO VOTE, FRANKLY I THINK THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

AND FRANKLY, I THINK WHO GETS TO VOTE IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT THAT IT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE LOCATED WITHIN OUR STATE CONSTITUTION.

>> Renee: IS THIS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM?

>> RENEE, I THINK IN KENTUCKY WE TAKE OUR ELECTIONS SERIOUSLY.

AND KENTUCKIANS ONLY WANT KENTUCKIANS VOTING IN KENTUCKY ELECTIONS.

I THINK ALL THIS AMENDMENT DOES IS SOLIDIFIES THAT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

WE HAVE A LAW THAT ALREADY STATES THAT ONLY KENTUCKY CITIZENS CAN VOTE IN KENTUCKY ELECTIONS AND ALL THIS DOES IS PUT IT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

YEAH.

>> Renee: WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?

IT IS ALREADY A LAW YOU ARE CODIFYING IT IN THE CONSTITUTION?

>> I'M -- I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS A POLITICAL ISSUE BY REPUBLICANS.

THERE IS ANOTHER AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT 2 WHICH WE WILL TALK THAT A WANT CONSERVATIVE VOTERS TO VOTE AGAINST THEY USED THIS AMENDMENT ONE AS AN EFFORT IT IS A NONISSUE IN KENTUCKY TO BRING THE VOTERS OUT AND THEY THINK THAT WILL TRANSLATE TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

WE'LL SEE IF THAT IS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

BUT YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS NOT OCCURRING IN KENTUCKY IT IS NOT AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

IT IS UNNECESSARY AMENDMENT.

>> Renee: YOU ARE SAYING IT IS A WAY TO GET TO A YES ON AMENDMENT 2.

>> YES.

>> Renee: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

I AGREE WITH THAT.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU CANNOT VOTE IN AN ELECTION IF YOU ARE NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN THAT IS THE LAW.

AND I AGREE WITH RICK IT IS A FEAR MONGERING TACTIC TO GET THEIR BASE TO COME OUT AND VOTE FOR THAT AMENDMENT WHILE TRYING TO VOTE YES ON AMENDMENT 2.

THEY ARE TOGETHER THAT'S ALL IT IS IT'S FEAR MONGERING EVENT TO GET PEOPLE OUT FROM THE BASE.

>> THERE'S MAJOR CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE ALLOWING NONCITIZENS TO VOTE.

AND WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE AND I PUSHBACK AND SAY IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR AMENDMENT 2 TO NOT HAVE AMENDMENT 1 ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE THE LONGER THAT BACK PAGE IS THE MORE LIKELY PEOPLE ARE TO KEEP MOVING ON.

I COUNTER YOU WITH THAT.

>> IS IT BY DESIGN, THOUGH?

LIKE ADDING ALL OF THAT ON TO IT TO MAKE PEOPLE LESS AND LESS INCLINED TO CONTINUE VOTING?

>> I GUESS IT IS A MATTER DO YOU THINK VOTERS CARE ENOUGH TO ENGAGE AMENDMENT 2 ON ITS OWN OR NOT.

I JUST THINK THAT THE AVERAGE VOTERS WHEN THEY SEE A LONG PAGE WITH BLOCK TEXT THEY WILL BE DISSUADED I WANT MORE PEOPLE VOTING ON AMENDMENT 2 IN MY OPINION BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT HAS A LOT OF BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

I'M SURE WE WILL BE GETTING INTO THAT IN A SECOND.

>> Renee: AND WE DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY GOING INTO IT.

AND SO VIEWERS KNOW, WHAT THEY WILL BE SEEING.

CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT 2 SAYS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY MAY PROVIDE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE EDUCATION OF STUDENTS OUTSIDE THE SYSTEM OF COMMON SCHOOLS IT DOES NOT DEFINE THAT AND MAY EXERCISE AUTHORITY BY LAW SECTIONS 59, 60, 171, 183, 189 OF THIS CONSTITUTION NOT WITHSTANDING.

THERE IS A LOT OF WORDS THERE.

AND WE'RE NOT SAYING PEOPLE IT IS ABOVE THEIR INTELLIGENCE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND DECIPHER WHAT IT MEANS BUT IT MAY NOT BE CLEAR UPON FIRST BLUSH WHAT THAT MEANS DO YOU THINK THAT IS A BENEFIT OR A DETRIMENT IT IS A WORDY AMENDMENT THAT HAS NOT WITHSTANDING FOR THE FINAL WORD AND SEVEN SECTIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION REFERRED TO?

>> I THINK IT IS A DETRIMENT.

AS AN ATTORNEY I THINK IT IS A NECESSARY EVIL.

YOU KNOW AS FAR AS CRAFTING WHAT THIS LANGUAGE HAD TO LOOK LIKE.

I AM SURE THERE WERE DOZENS OF LAWYERS ARGUING ACROSS THE TABLE AT EACH OTHER.

>> Renee: AND THERE'S KENTUCKY SUPREME COURT GUIDANCE WHAT A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE?

>> THERE IS AND YOU HAVE TO GO BETWEEN THE GUIDELINES AND MAKE SURE IT'S FRANKLY AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU DON'T SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GETTING PASSED AND HAVE A SUPREME COURT SAY IT'S TOO VAGUE.

>> Renee: THAT HAPPENED TO MARCY'S LAW.

>> YES, IT DID HAPPEN TO MARCY'S LAW.

THEY WERE MINDFUL OF THAT WHILE PUTTING IT TOGETHER AND I'M SURE THERE WAS ONE POLITICAL OPERATIVE IN THE ROOM LET'S MAKE THIS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE AND CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE BUT SOMETIMES THE LAWYERS WIN.

>> Renee: DO YOU THINK YOUR SIDE IS DOING AN ADEQUATE ENOUGH JOB TO BREAKTHROUGH THE WORDINESS AND DECODE IT FOR THE AVERAGE VOTER SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE VOTING FOR IF THEY DO VOTE FOR IT?

>> I THINK SO RENEE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT.

HOWEVER, ALL IT DOES IS PROVIDES THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THE FREEDOM TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON EDUCATIONAL CHOICES.

IT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FUNDING.

IT WOULD NOT ENACT POLICY IF PASSED RIGHT AWAY.

ALL IT DOES IT ALLOWS OUR LEGISLATURE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION.

>> Renee: AND THEY'VE HAD DISCUSSION ON DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE NOT CURRIED FAVOR WITH THE KENTUCKY SUPREME COURT WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY ACCOUNTS.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH LETTING THE VOTERS DECIDE WHAT OPTIONS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY SHOULD CONSIDER NOT THAT THEY WOULD PASS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LAYOUT THE OPTIONS IT SAYS GIVES THEM A PATHWAY TO CONSIDER WHAT OPTIONS.

>> IT BOILS DOWN TO PUBLIC DOLLARS BELONG TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS IF YOU WANT TO SEND YOUR KID TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT IT'S YOUR FINANCIAL SITUATION.

MY TAX DOLLARS SHOULD NOT HELP YOU PAY FOR YOUR CHILD TO GO TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND THAT IS WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO.

SUPPORTING OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, SUPPORTING OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLTEACHERS IN EVERYTHING IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL REALM.

AND VOTERS AGREE WITH THAT.

I SEE VOTE NO ON TWO SIGNS EVERYWHERE.

I SEE SIGNS GOING UP EVERYWHERE.

YARD SIGNS DON'T WIN ELECTIONS IT'S ABOUT THAT ON THE GROUND WORK AND I KNOW OUR SIDE IS DOING A LOT OF DOOR-TO-DOOR CANVASING A LOT OF TV ADS THEY HAD A BEAUTIFUL AD FEATURING A TEACHER FROM HAZARD.

AND IT IS MEETING VOTERS WHERE THEY ARE.

AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT THIS AMENDMENT IF IT WERE TO PASS WOULD LOOK LIKE IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO OUR RURAL SCHOOLS.

>> Renee: THE U.S. SIDE HAD RAND PAUL AND HIS WIFE FEATURED IN AN AD FOR THE AMENDMENT.

>> SO I'LL AGREE THAT YARD SIGNS DON'T WIN POLITICAL ELECTIONS.

THEY DO NOT.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO COUNTER YOU THAT PUBLIC DOLLARS ARE FOR STUDENTS.

NOT FOR INSTITUTIONS.

AND WHAT AMENDMENT 2 DOES IT ALLOWS THE CONVERSATION TO BE HAD ABOUT WHAT A SCHOOL CHOICE PROGRAM SHOULD LOOK LIKE HERE IN KENTUCKY.

KENTUCKY IS ONE OF ONLY TWO STATES IN THE COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME FORM OF SCHOOL CHOICE.

THE STATE OF ILLINOIS DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED HAS A SCHOOL CHOICE PROGRAM THEY HAVE AN EDUCATION SAVINGS ACCOUNT PROGRAM.

WE ARE BEING LEFT IN THE DUST FRANKLY.

AND WHEN WE'RE HEARING NUMBERS COME OUT OF CERTAIN SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT NEARLY HALF OF THE STUDENTS ARE FAILING IN GRADE PROFICIENCY IN READING AND MATH, I HAVE TO SAY, WE CAN'T KEEP UP THE STATUS QUO.

SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE HERE.

SO LET'S OPEN OURSELVES UP FOR THE CONVERSATION AND THAT IS WHAT AMENDMENT 2.

IT DOES NOT ESTABLISH A VOUCHER PROGRAM OR AN EDUCATION SAVINGS ACCOUNT PROGRAM LIKE HB563 ATTEMPTED TO DO SO UNTIL THE SUPREME COURT HAD THE RULING IT ALLOWS THE CONVERSATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

THE LEGISLATORS WILL BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AND MEET WITH THE POLICY EXPERTS AND DECIDE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR KENTUCKY.

WHILE I WOULD GO AHEAD AND PUT FORWARD IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY IS NOT WHAT IS SERVING CHILDREN.

>> Renee: DO YOU THINK THAT RURAL VOTERS BUY INTO YOUR ARGUMENT WHEN THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE POPULATION TO SUPPORT HAVING A PARALLEL SYSTEM OF SCHOOLS?

>> I WILL SAY THIS.

THE IDEA -- WEST VIRGINIA RECENTLY PASSED ITS OWN SCHOOL CHOICE PROGRAM AND IT HASN'T FALLEN APART IN RURAL WEST VIRGINIA THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

A LOT OF RURAL KENTUCKIANS, ESPECIALLY RURAL KENTUCKIANS WHO ARE PLANNING ON SUPPORTING PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WANT TO GET BEHIND SCHOOL CHOICE.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN A FIERCE ADVOCATE FOR SCHOOL CHOICE AND I THINK THEY WILL HEAR ABOUT THAT.

I'LL SAY THIS, TOO, I THINK THAT A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS I'M THINKING OF SEVERAL NAMES ON THE WEST END OF LOUISVILLE THEY ARE WEGGING TO HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS THEY ARE BEGGING TO HAVE SCHOOL CHOICE BECAUSE THEY ARE REALIZING WE NEED SOMETHING TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> Renee: YOU ARE FROM LOUISVILLE TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> I LIVE IN LOUISVILLE NOW I RAN IN A DEMOCRAT PRIMARY AND EVERY VOTER I TALKED TO ALMOST TO A PERSON WAS WE NEED TO DEFEAT THIS AMENDMENT 2.

AND THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I RAN IN THAT SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT DON'T SUPPORT AMENDMENT 2 THEIR DECISION TO SEND A KID TO PRIVATE CHOICE AND THE PUBLIC DOLLARS BELONG IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

I AGREE THAT THE STATUS QUO IS NOT SUSTAINABLE BUT THE CURRENT STATUS QUO WE HAVE IS A REPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITY PASSING BILL AFTER BILL SESSION AFTER SESSION DEPRIVING OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS OF THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED.

AND REFUSING TO GIVE TEACHERS RAISES SO WE CAN BE COMPETITIVE AND HAVE THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST IN OUR CLASSROOMS AND REFUSING TO FUND TRANSPORTATION IN LOUISVILLE THAT WAS A DEBACLE THAT IS THE STATUS QUO THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

TAKING MORE MONEY OUT OF THAT SYSTEM AND GIVE TO GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS IT WILL HELP A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE TARGETING OUR SPENDING RIGHT NOW.

AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I GREW UP IN BOWLING GREEN.

I WENT TO A COUNTY SCHOOL THERE'S FEW PRIVATE SCHOOL OPTIONS.

AND THERE'S NO SCHOOL CHOICE PLAN THAT WOULD HAVE BENEFITED ME IN MY HIGH SCHOOL EXPERIENCE.

I THINK BACK TO THE BALLOT LANGUAGE ON -- I THINK THAT IS INDICATIVE OF THE EXTREMITY OF WHAT THEY ARE ATTEMPTING.

THEY ARE REWRITING OUR CONSTITUTION IN SEVERAL WAYS TO ALLOW PUBLIC DOLLARS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF OUR TREASURY AND GIVEN TO PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS.

AND I DON'T THINK KENTUCKIANS WANT THAT IT DOESN'T IMPROVE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM AND I DON'T THINK KENTUCKIANS TRUST A RADICAL SUPER MAJORITY OF THIS REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE TO DEVISE A SCHOOL CHOICE PLAN THAT WILL WORK FOR THEM.

>> THE REPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITY PROVIDED RECORD INVESTMENTS IN EDUCATION ACROSS THE STATE.

THE NUMBERS ARE THERE.

SO THE IDEA THEY ARE WAGING WAR ON PUBLIC EDUCATION IS OVERBLOWN.

WE ARE ONLY I WANT TO SAY ONE, TWO YEARS OFF OF GOVERNOR BESHEAR'S KD WHICH HE APPOINTED.

>> THE DEPARTMENT.

>> THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, BUT THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR BESHEAR, HAD ITS OWN EDUCATION COMMISSIONER WHO AT ONE POINT WAS SAYING THE STATE MAY HAVE TO COME IN TO JEFFERSON COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO TAKEOVER.

IT WAS THAT BAD.

SO I'M WITH YOU WHILE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE STATUS QUO IS NOT WORKING.

WHAT I WILL SAY THAT SCHOOL CHOICE IN STATES LIKE FLORIDA, IN STATES LIKE ARIZONA, HAS BEEN SHOWN TO SHOW MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT.

EVERY SINGLE STATE THAT KENTUCKY TOUCHES CURRENTLY HAS A SCHOOL CHOICE PROGRAM WE ARE NOT HEARING HORROR STORIES FROM THOSE STATES.

AMENDMENT 2 DOES NOT EVEN ESTABLISH A PROGRAM.

WE KEEP GETTING LOST IN THIS KENTUCKY CENTER FOR ECONOMIC POLICY THINK TANK WHICH AT THIS POINT IS JUST A MOUTHPIECE FOR THE KED COMING OUT AND TRYING TO ACT LIKE AMENDMENT 2 IS THIS MASSIVE VOUCHER PROGRAM.

IT'S NOT.

THE DISCUSSION WILL BE HAD AFTER AMENDMENT 2 IS PASSED OR ABOUT EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY ACCOUNTS.

OR ABOUT A SPECIAL AUTISM SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM.

THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ONCE AMENDMENT 2 IS PASSED.

>> Renee: THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, ROBBY FLETCHER WHO WAS JUST APPOINTED JUST CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE AS THE NEW RULES REQUIRE SAID HE IS NOT GOING TO VOTE YES ON NUMBER TWO, RIGHT?

AND HE IS NOT A PUPPET OF KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION HE WAS CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE SUPER MAJORITY?

>> I DON'T THINK THE SENATE WILL WANT TO KEEP KICKING NOMINEES TO THE SIDE.

I THINK THAT'S A MATTER OF FRANKLY, WELL MANNERED POLITICS.

YOU KNOW AND I'LL SAY THAT COMMISSIONER DID HAVE ROOTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

SOME ALLIES AND RELATIONSHIPS.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHEN A NOMINEE HAS BEEN KICKED TO THE SIDE FOR REALLY ANYTHING BY THE SENATE HERE LATELY.

BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE KENTUCKY DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION RECENTLY CAME OUT AGAINST THE AMENDMENT.

I'D ENCOURAGE EVERYONE THINKING ABOUT WHETHER THAT IS A VALID SOURCE TO BE RECEIVING GUIDANCE FROM, I'D ASK THEM TO THINK WHO WERE THOSE INDIVIDUALS APPOINTED BY?

IT'S "GOVERNOR'S AWARD IN THE ARTS."

IT'S THE GOVERNOR THE GOVERNOR BESHEAR, THE LEADER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THE STATE WHO, FRANKLY, HAS HAD A WAR ON SCHOOL CHOICE SINCE COMING IN.

AND I'LL SAY THIS, THAT YOU KNOW, THAT GOVERNOR IS SUPPORTED BY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS THAT WANT AMENDMENT 2 TO FAIL.

SO I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE WHO I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR FOR GUIDANCE.

>> Renee: IN THE 8 MINUTES REMAINS THE STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES THROW OUT A FEW THAT YOU THE TWO YOU WILL KEEP YOUR EYES ON WHEN WATCHING KET AT 8:00 P.M. EASTERN ON OUR SISTER STATION.

WHAT IS SOME COMPETITIVE RACES THAT YOU SEE SEBASTIEN?

>> I WILL TELL YOU AND WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE WATCHING KET ON ELECTION NIGHT.

KERRY SANDERS IN THE 38TH DISTRICT HAS A CHANCE AT TAKING OUT RACHEL ROURKES.

>> Renee: IN THE STATE HOUSE BY THE WAY.

>> IN THE STATE HOUSE IN THE SOUTH END OF LOUISVILLE.

RACHEL ROURKES VOTED AGAINST THE KENTUCKY SAFER ACT WHICH WOULD HAVE INSTITUTED DIFFERENT PUBLIC SAFETY MEASURES THAT I THINK FRANKLY VOTERS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY ARE DESPERATE TO RECEIVE.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THERE WAS A STATISTIC AT ONE POINT THAT IN ONE YEAR THERE WERE 1,000 CARJACKINGS IN LOUISVILLE.

THE KENTUCKY SAFER ACT INSTITUTED A CRIMINAL STATUTE IN RELATION TO CARJACKING.

RACHEL ROURKES VOTED AGAINST IT.

I PERSONALLY WALKED THE STREETS OF THE SOUTH END.

AND I'VE WALKED PAST NEEDLES ON THE GROUND.

I'VE WALKED PAST HOMELESS CAMPS.

A LOT OF VOTERS ARE VERY SICK OF THAT THEY ARE SICK OF THEIR CHILD HAVING TO WALK PAST THAT ON THE WAY TO THE BUS STOP.

I THINK THAT RACHEL ROURKES HAS A DYNAMIC CANDIDATE AGAINST HER.

THERE IS A THE OF SUPPORT COMING IN FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ITSELF.

AND I THINK THAT IS A RACE TO WATCH.

>> Renee: AND SHE HAS NOT BEEN IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT LONG.

NOT A LONG STORIED INCUMBENT.

>> AND ALSO A YOUNG DEM WE ARE REALLY PROUD OF HER AND DOING ALL WE CAN TO HELP HER WIN REELECTION I FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT HER CHANCES THOUGH HER OPPONENT DID NOT HAVE YARD SIGNS IN HER DISTRICT.

I'M CONFIDENT THAT REPRESENTATIVE ROURKES IS GOING TO WIN.

>> Renee: DO YOU THINK THE SAFER KENTUCKY BILL WILL HURT HER?

>> NO, I DO NOT THINK IT WILL HURT HER BECAUSE THERE ARE VOTERS IN LOUISVILLE WHO UNDERSTAND HOW DETRIMENTAL BAD THAT BILL WAS AND IT WON'T MAKE OUR COMMUNITIES SAFER.

THE RACE I'M MOST WATCH SOMETHING KATE FARROW RUNNING AGAINST KEN FLEMING IT IS A HIGH DOLLAR RAISING RACE IN THE EASTERN PART OF JEFFERSON COUNTY AND OLDHAM COUNTY.

KATE HAS AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE SHE RAN FOR SCHOOL BOARD SHE HAS NAME ID AND IS DOING A LOT OF GREAT WORK ON THE GROUND AND HAS A TON OF VOLUNTEERS KNOCKING FOR HER EVERYDAY.

SHE IS HITTING REPRESENTATIVE FLEMING HARD ON THE ABORTION VOTE HE DID INTRODUCE AN ABYSMAL ABORTION BILL IN MY OPINION HE DID AS WELL VOTE AGAINST ABORTION ACCESS ESPECIALLY FOR VICTIMS OF RAPE AND INCEST.

AND SHE IS CAMPAIGNING HARD ON THAT.

I'M PROUD OF HER FOR IT AND I THINK THAT SEAT IS GOING TO FLIP.

>> Renee: HE IS FAIRLY MODERATE.

>> FOR THE DISTRICT.

BUT THE WAY THAT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS HAS OVERPOWERED SO MANY OTHER POLICY ISSUES IN THIS CYCLE I THINK SHE IS GOING TO FLIP THAT SEAT.

>> Renee: EMILY?

>> I'M WATCHING VANESSA AND STEVENS.

>> Renee: DISTRICT 88.

>> VANESSA IS A STRONG CANDIDATE.

AND.

>> Renee: PUBLIC EDUCATOR.

>> YOU ARE CORRECT.

AND THE VOTERS IN THE 88TH DISTRICT HAVE REELECTED REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON BUT THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

SHE HAS NOT PASSED -- SHE HAS NOT PASSED ONE STRONG INITIATIVE TIP.

SHE HAS NOT BEEN THE SOLE SPONSOR ON LEGISLATION SINCE SHE HAS BEEN ELECTED.

SO I THINK THE VOTERS OF THE 88TH DISTRICT RECOGNIZE THAT AND ARE EXCITED TO VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE LIKE VANESSA.

>> Renee: AND THIS IS UP AGAINST CHERYL LYNN STEVENSON THE HOUSE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS CHAIR THIS IS BIG IF YOU LOSE THIS ONE.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL NUMBERS ALONE I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON I'VE KNOCKED.

>> Renee: WHAT DO THE FINANCIAL NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.

>> SIX FIGURES IF NOT OVER $200,000 WHEREAS VANESSA RAISED ABOUT $30,000.

REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON HAS ADS OUT AND THE PUBLIC EDUCATORS WITH AFT AND WITH THE OTHER EDUCATORS IN HER DISTRICT KNOCKING FOR HER AND THE REASON SHE HAS WON AND I'M CONFIDENT SHE IS GOING TO WIN.

>> Renee: HER MOTHER IS ALSO A RETIRED FROM A SUPERINTENDENT AND SHEPHERD IN PIKE COUNTY.

>> I THINK OUT OF FLOYD COUNTY.

AND YOU KNOW I'LL SAY THIS, THE POLITICAL CONSULTANTS CAN NOD SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE IT'S ABOUT HOW YOU USE IT.

YOU CAN MAKE A DOLLAR STRETCH AS A CHALLENGER.

THE THING THAT EXCITES ME ABOUT THAT RACE IS THAT VANESSA HAS BEEN HITTING THE DOORS PRETTY HARD.

SHE IS OUT IN THE DISTRICT.

SHE IS A FORMER TEACHER.

WHO IS REALLY ABLE TO MEET THE VOTER WHERE THEY ARE.

AND TALK ABOUT POLICY IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE TO THEM.

DELIGHTFUL PERSON.

I'LL SAY THIS, TOO, I DEFINITELY DO NOT ENVY REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON.

I'LL SAY SHE'S BEEN LEADERSHIP WITHIN A CAUCUS THAT FRANKLY IS AT THIS POINT RIFE WITH SCANDALS AND DISAGREEMENTS WITHIN IT.

AND I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW MUCH IT'S TAKEN HER AWAY FROM FOCUSING ON THE DISTRICT RELATIONSHIPS SHE NEEDS TO BE KEEPING.

>> Renee: TO THAT POINT YOU HAVE DANIEL GROSSBURG IN THE NEWS AND YOU HAD ANOTHER DEMOCRAT IN THE SHAGLY AREA WHO REPLACED THE FLOOR LEADER JOANIE JENKINS, BEVERLY CHESTER BURTON WHO HAS BEEN CAUGHT UP IN D.U.I.

CHARGES IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD FOR THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE CAUCUS HOW DOES SHARE LYNN STEVENSON OVERCOME THE OPTICS OF THOSE CASES?

>> REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON HAS BEEN A GREAT LEADER FOR DEMOCRATS AND HER DISTRICT AND KENTUCKIANS THAT PRIORITIZE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, ACCESS TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTHCARE AND A STRONG ECONOMY.

I HAVE NO DOUBTS THAT SHE IS COMMUNICATING THAT MESSAGE TO HER DISTRICT WHO SENT HER BACK TO FRANKFORT MULTIPLE TIMES.

THERE HAVE BEEN DISAPPOINTING SITUATIONS IN THE CAUCUS WITH REPRESENTATIVE GROSSBURG AND ALLISON CALLED ON FOR HIM TO RESIGN ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER DEMOCRATIC LEADERS THAT BEHAVIOR IS JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE AND SHOULDN'T BE ANYWHERE.

AND I THINK THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CAUCUS FROM WHAT I CAN SEE ARE LOOKING TO REPRESENTATIVE STEVENSON AS A LEADER TO RIGHT THE SHIP IN A NOT GREAT TIME.

AND SHE HAS BEEN THAT VOICE OF LEADERSHIP AND REASON WITHIN THE CAUCUS AND I FULLY EXPECT HER DISTRICT TO SEND HER BACK TO FRANKFORT.

>> Renee: WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE THREE MORE "KENTUCKY TONIGHT" TO DECIPHER IT ALL.

NEXT WEEK WE WILL TALK ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT 2 AGAIN WE GOT A LOT OF RESPONSE AND WE WANT TO HAVE THAT AGAIN THAT DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK ON "KENTUCKY TONIGHT".

AFTER THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES AND THE KENTUCKY SUPREME COURT RACE IS INTERESTING AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE THERE.

WE WILL BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU IN THE NEXT THREE MONDAY NIGHTS ON "KENTUCKY TONIGHT".

BE SURE TO JOIN US EACH WEEKNIGHT AT 6:30 EASTERN FOR KENTUCKY EDITION WHERE WE DO ALL OF THIS TALK AND WE ARE ON THE TRAIL AND COVERING THE ALL OF THE ACTIVITY AROUND CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT 2 IN PARTICULAR AS THAT REALLY IS INTENSIFYING AND BILL BRYANT WILL BE HERE FRIDAY NIGHT AT 8 EASTERN TO DISSECT THE WEEK'S NEWS.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR WATCHING.

I'M RENEE SHAW.

UNTIL THEN, HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.