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- Hello, Welcome to Illinois Stories.

I'm Mark McDonald in Warsaw at one of the grandest old homes in Warsaw.

This antebellum mansion was built in the 1850s and fell into a horrible disrepair until the 1980s when it was brought back to life through painstaking efforts and expense and it now belongs to a new family, the Thomas family in Warsaw who have also done an enormous amount of work to this old home known as the Cat Lady's House.

And John Thomas says it was probably known as the Cat Lady's House because the lady that lived here had hundreds of cats.

And as she aged, the cats kind of took over and the place was, you describe it because you probably have seen it.

- Well, actually, we hadn't seen it at the point when it was that its worst, but we have plenty of pictures and we'll get to see those along the way too.

But we have talked to many neighbors around and they've explained just completely in disrepair.

Isn't even a strong enough word.

And the cats had taken over completely.

And as you can imagine, it was a disaster.

- Oh my goodness.

We will see the pictures.

We're standing in the music, I guess it's called the music room.

And this would have been one of the parlors.

As the owners greeted guests.

They would have either showed them into this parlor or the parlor across the way.

And we'll see all these rooms but first let's take that opportunity to go down the hall and into the dining room here where we can actually go to look at the condition the house was in even before you became aware of it.

Right?

- Right, exactly.

And the previous owner that I bought the house from, we've been here five years and they had owned it approximately 10 years and the first two years or so is when they did a tremendous amount of work.

And he was McComb milker, and his wife, Judy they deserve a ton of credit for the work.

- Well, they save that's what they do is they save homes.

And this was one of one of them they found it and they saved it.

And then when you came along, you improved it and you made it yours?

- Right.

Exactly.

Yeah.

- Yeah.

It's terrific.

But I'll tell you what?

It is, Oh, it's just unbelievable.

When you, when you look at the home as it, as it did, I mean it's actually falling in.

- Yeah.

It needed a bulldozer.

It's what it needed, I think.

- The porch's fallen off the roof has fallen in.

Here's a picture of the kitchen which shows you that the doors are falling off.

The cabinets, the windows are just a mess.

It's just such a pity that it could happen to a grand house like this.

It's also so refreshing though, that having seen that, and when you look at the house now, it's really refreshing to see what it's become.

- It's amazing that someone would take that on.

- Yeah.And yourself to yourself too.

(laughs) And some of these, just these pictures, here's the stairs, went up to the porch.

They're falling in, the porch is falling in but it looks like the only thing standing is the columns and those columns.

(John laughs) Well, thank God for those columns.

- Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

They're pretty sturdy there.

It looks like, yeah.

- Well, I'll tell you what you and your wife Melisha deserve a ton of credit.

You're both going to give us a tour through the house.

Let's go back to the front and work our way back.

- Sure - After you.

- Okay.

- Okay, John, back up the hall to the front of the house again.

We were in, we were in the music room briefly.

When, when we first met you here, here we are again.

And this is a good place to start.

'Cause this would have been a parlor where they would have showed the guests in and they'd sit here and wait until they were welcomed.

And what you've made, is you've modified it into a music room.

And I love this because this piano, this is what they call.

I think they call it a square grand piano.

Do they not?

- [John] Correct, square grand?

- [Mark] Where did you find it?

- [John] Well, this piano that came from Hamilton, Illinois.

We found it in the classifieds ads of the newspaper.

(Mark laughs) And unfortunately the lady had passed away, the owner of it.

And it had gotten passed down to her, over the years through her family.

And it started out in Keokuk, Iowa.

And we found back in around 1872 is when this was new.

But like a lot of things we've been talking about.

This was a disaster.

The piano had just fallen completely.

- [Mark] I got some pictures out here, which show the finish where you can see the string area here.

And then the finish of the piano, which was if it all looked like this, I don't know how you how you possibly brought it back to life.

- [John] Yeah.

And my kids, they play the piano and they'd been taking lessons and we always wanted to get them a piano.

And we thought, well, I told my wife, "I'll, I'll try.

"I'm good with my hands.

"I'll try to take it on".

(Mark laughs) I don't know anything about pianos but if it comes apart, it'll go back together, right?

(Mark laughs) Little did I know, little did I know what I was getting myself into?

- I love this.

There got a picture of you here with the innards of the piano out on the floor.

And I think you're trying to figure out, "Okay what do I do next?"

- Yeah.

- That's pretty close to your idea.

(both laughs) - And there's a look at the finish.

And, boy, you did some beautiful work on that wood.

I'll tell you what?

- Thank you.

- That shows you too how it's kinda cracked up.

And, and you wouldn't really think that it'd be worth anything.

And also you learned a lot about a piano, taking this thing apart, and you had no idea how many moving parts - No idea, I found out though.

7,500.

(both laugh) - And you probably replaced all of them.

- Yeah.

And like, there's obsolete.

There's no parts for it.

So a lot of them the leather and felt had to cut to shape and fit and you do all this work.

Is it even going to work in the end?

And it did so we're really happy with it.

And our kids play it every day.

- It's a beautiful room, beautiful room.

- Thank you.

- And this little devil down here this little safe has a story too.

- Right.

It does.

This safe, my dad gave to me and a friend gave it to him, years and years ago, probably in the 1970s.

But it had been in a house that flooded along the Illinois river somewhere in Kampsville, Illinois - Okay.

- And it was just rust.

Just rust and dents and scratches.

And I, like I said, liked to do that kind of stuff.

So I took it on and got it all taken apart and cleaned it up and painted it.

- It's pretty cute now.

- Yeah, it turned out nice.

- You could see what kind of condition it was in.

Look at all the pockmarks and stuff.

That's on the surface of this thing.

It looks like you probably dug it.

It looks like it came out of the river.

(John laughs) What a mess?

Oh boy!

I bet that thing weighs a ton.

- Yeah, it is super, - Can two people move it?

- Two people with everything you've got.

can they let the door off?

(Mark laughs) - Let's go into the other parlor.

Now this would be, I guess you'd call this the living room but this is the big room.

- Right.

They called it a double parlor - How beautiful.

- And it originally had this big arch.

- Oh it did.

- This is how it was set up.

- You had to build some of your own arches, too, didn't you?

- We'll see that upstairs.

Yeah.

- Yeah.

- But yeah, the curves, the family we bought this from, they had most of this work done.

This is pretty much just that.

- You got lucky on this one on this kind of as you wanted - Really nice.

- I noticed that there are two fireplaces here and they look like they match, do they?

- Right?

Yeah.

There are actually five in the whole house.

We'll see.

But these two, if you look at the details, they're just a little different but for all practical purposes, you could say they match.

And then they are original to the house.

- Oh, you're fortunate that there nothing happened to them.

And these would have been originally I guess these would have burned coal, wouldn't they?

- Right.

There are coal burning fireplaces.

- And you've got okay.

Two in here and then you had one in the music room.

- Right.

- And then there are two others.

You can't leave this room without noticing these chandeliers.

And you have, as you go through the house you see that you have, I don't know how many maybe a dozen of these and they all match.

- Yeah.

I've never really took might've thought to count on myself but, (Mark laughs) what, you bought every one.

- Yeah.

We bought them and they actually come disassembled and we decided to save a little money we put them together ourselves and it's just some we did over time, one here, one there and that makes everything stand out.

Yeah.

- And another beautiful thing they do with these old homes is, they'll make these windows slash doors.

You don't even know what to call them, but they go right from the floor all the way to the ceiling and you get all this wonderful light flowing in it.

- Yeah.

Very nice to get some fresh air in the spring you can open them wide open.

- It's kind of like having a screen porch, isn't it?

- Yeah.

Right, right.

- And then this one goes out to the back porch.

Really, really nice.

Well, let's move on.

- All right.

- [Mark] John, it's one of these big old homes that strikes you immediately.

And one of the first things which you see are the columns in the porches.

You know, those are, it's very impressive.

- [John] Right.

They're huge columns.

And I was kinda curious about when we were doing some of the work we did and what was in there and there actually, there's nothing in it as are hollow in.

And then what you see is the support structure.

Those are individual boards cut with that contour and that's the structure.

- So they're not really supporting the house.

They're there for decoration, aren't they?

- Right.

And probably holding some of the weight off the front of the balcony, but you're right.

- And I think it's called Greek Revival.

- Greek revival is the style.

And that the two really large windows in the front of the house from what I've read is as uncommon for such an old house.

Because like we said earlier these are original glass to the house and most of them were made into pain smaller window panes back in those days.

And they have the really big windows still in good shape, is unusual.

- And it's possible to the porches which really kind of command the view because you have porches on all three sides.

They may have been added later too.

You don't don't really know for sure.

- And that was one of the things we had read too.

There's speculation that's big front porch was added on and the columns were all added on a little later.

Yeah.

- As far as we know, though, it always had the belvedere.

- Right.

Yeah.

- And that's, that was part of the original plan, right?

- Right?

Yeah.

- John, I love the spiral staircase.

- It's really neat.

- It is neat.

And as you can see from here, it goes all the way up, All the way up to the third floor.

And actually been on doesn't it?

Because you got a belvedere on this house.

So actually it goes all the way up.

- All the way.

- You've made a pool room out of this.

It worked out kind of nice because they had a pool table they left for you.

Didn't they?

- Right, right.

Yeah.

- So do you and your son get into heated battles in the pool room or, - Once in awhile Once in a while it gets a little heated.

(Mark laugh) - [Mark] I noticed there's an airplane on the wall there too.

were you a pilot?

- [John] I was an air crew member for awhile.

I was a gunner.

- [Mark] A gunner.

- [John] And most of my time though, I was in aircraft maintenance - Well, I would think that since you're a handy guy I would have thought that maybe maybe maintenance might've been what you, Okay.

As I know, that goes up to the third floor.

- Right.

- This is one of the kids' rooms, right?

- Right.

My daughter's bed.

- Again these big windows, love that.

- And this house is built strangely because it's got a center hall which most don't, which connects the rooms.

There's another child's bedroom in there.

And then you come off here to a dressing area.

This is your master.

And you come off to a dressing area and you step down into this big master bedroom.

And I assumed that this would have been the master bedroom in the old days too.

Don't you?

- I would imagine.

'Cause it was obviously always a big room with this large fireplace here and everything.

- It is.

And that's the biggest of the fireplaces.

So this got used, this would burn all night.

This would keep the master and the lady warm all night.

Ather interesting feature here is you've got a stairway that comes up from around the kitchen area.

So this would have been for probably for the help somehow to get up and down.

Maybe to bring meals or to, to make, you know just to come up and do work.

And the railing has a story too.

I mean, it wasn't original though.

- You're right.

Right.

This, the, this was boarded off completely as there was no access to the staircase.

And when they were in the process of repairing everything, they found the staircase there.

And this railing came from a storage area that they had a lot of other things in and fit right in place there.

- Well, you got lucky didn't, you know?

- Oh, yeah, definitely.

- It's period too.

So it works really good.

- It's like, it's made for you.

- Nice big room.

And then this, do you know what this space which is now your master bath would have been used for?

- I can only imagine it was just another, maybe even another bedroom, maybe a kid's bedroom.

I'm not sure.

- Oh man.

Look at the size of it.

You have to think big when you take on a house like this.

(John laughs) Some of your arch is like six feet wide.

This mirror.

I can't imagine trying to hang that mirror.

This mirror is immense.

- Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a good project.

(both laugh) Did you find it for this house or did you have it?

- Actually, what we did was, the glass itself we bought it Adams County glass, and it's actually just the glass is glued to the wall with a special glue.

And then I use chair rail and I made this frame to go there - Clever, clever.

So yeah, t looks like it was made for each other.

Okay.

Now this space you had to tailor this space.

You had to create this space, didn't you?

- Right, right.

I made the arch above the tab here and the paint of the cloud ceiling.

And my wife helped me with the tile.

We did everything ourselves as much as we can and we learn as we go a lot of times too, but it turned out we're, we're really happy with it.

- I can see why.

And you know, it's kind of hard to see but you say you painted the cloud ceiling.

What was that?

Did you use like a sponge to paint that with?

- Yeah, I use the paint brush.

It's kind of to dab it, you know?

- You're good.

You're good.

- But, but this making these archways and tiling them, that's a trick.

(John laughs) Good for you.

- As I said, I learn as I go, right?

- It's Wonderful.

And then you've got this great walk-in shower.

I'll let you go back there with the camera because there's not room for us all, but really, really nice job.

Just gorgeous and how to live in an 1850s house with all the, with all the modern amenities.

That's that is something.

- Yeah.

Yeah.

We've done a lot of insulating and trying to make it more comfortable along the way.

And it is it's comfortable now and we really enjoy it.

- Yeah.

How do you heat it?

Is it propane?

- We have two gas heaters.

We have one for the upstairs and one for the downstairs and yeah, it's surprisingly, it's affordable to heat.

You know, it really, - The walls are thick.

- The walls are thick.

They're thick.

We don't even know when it's raining outside.

(Mark laughs) - You hear a thing.

It's a forklift.

Isn't?

- Yeah, it is.

- Yeah.

Melisha, I guess it's been an interesting five years in this home?

- It has - Hasn't it?

- Yes.

- Yeah.

1850s to 2012 or 13 roughly when you bought the house?

- Yes.

- What did you think when you, did you have to talk yourself into moving into a big old house like this?

or was it really easy?

- It was very easy.

- Really?

- Yes.

We had been on several 1200 mile road trips trying to find the perfect home.

And most of the time when we would get there, I think the pictures came from, you know like maybe 20 years prior but this house was phenomenal or like, where do we sign?

The curs had done an amazing job recently - Yeah.

Yeah.

And your husband took over pretty well because he did, he added a lot of the flare, you know - Yes, luxury.

- You could have lived in it and it would have been fine but you really brought it up to date, didn't it?

- Yes.

He definitely added a luxury components.

- He's very humble too.

'Cause he says, well, this room, you know the dining room here we didn't really have to do much to this.

The curs pretty much took care of it and they didn't we didn't have to do much.

So the wallpaper was here and it was all in pretty good condition.

But there's an interesting story about the wallpaper because here you too, if I look into that into the China cabinet over there, I'm seeing some dishes that appeared to match.

- [Melisha] Yes.

In fact, when we looked at the house and we saw the wallpaper, we were like, Oh my goodness that matches our China perfectly.

We've had the China like 20 years.

(Mark laughs) And so we, I was like, it's a sign we have to have this house.

- Okay.

Just, just more reinforcement but this is our home.

And we were talking to, I love to talk about fireplaces because I'm fascinated by them.

But this is one of this is a larger marble fireplace than most of the others.

It has a little different detail and this one got ripped up.

The other ones are open.

This one got ripped up.

- Yes.

And we have no idea why, but this has the winter inserts and the other fireplaces have the summer inserts.

So, - And, and as you noted earlier, this house was in such disrepair that this wall was falling in and had to be replaced, wasn't it?

- Right.

The South wall, I guess a tree had fallen on the roof and there was a lot of water damage and the fireplace that's in the master bedroom right above this, has a lot of iron deposits, stains on it.

But yes, the curves had to completely rebuild this South wall.

- Let's go into the kitchen.

- Okay.

- Now this house in 1850, of course would not even had a kitchen.

- Right.

- Look what you've done.

(laughs) - It's a summer kitchen out, like in that area right there.

And unfortunately we just have like a couple of pictures of it, where it was in ruins, but yes.

- Yeah.

Wow!

And, and it's wonderful.

I mean, you've got all this space.

Everybody wants a big kitchen and you got one, didn't?

- Yes.

- You got a big kitchen.

This of course wasn't here.

- Right.

- You put the counter tops in.

- Yes.

The curs who restored the home they did a great job in the kitchen.

It was beautiful, but we really wanted granite cabinets.

And then I had dreamed of this stove for about 20 years and then we found one in Dallas.

My husband's in the Air Force.

And so we moved around a lot.

And so we have been carrying the stove around with us because, (Mark laughs) To actually install it you have to remove cabinets.

- Oh my God!

Yeah.

- So it's always been a dream that we'd actually achieved.

- And it fit.

- And it fit.

And it barely fit.

We're very lucky.

- Yeah.

You are lucky.

Looking outside here.

This is kind of a neat spot.

Some of the old buildings still remain.

And this is one fancy outhouse out there.

- It really is.

- It's a four-seater, I guess.

- It is.

- Yeah.

- And it has nice wooden shutters that open.

And our daughter uses that as her art gallery.

- Is that right?

- Yes.

- Does she paint out there?

She doesn't.

She paints them here, but it's just like her gallery.

- Okay.

It's her gallery.

Well, that's nice that she has her own gallery that's so that's wonderful.

And another story to this home is this, this old table a lot of our viewers know where Mount Pleasant is 'cause it's right in the middle of our viewing area.

But your family or his family?

- John's family.

- John's family.

Okay.

And tell me a story about the, a table.

- They had won it at like a fair or a raffle.

And so it's is actually his great, great grandparents'.

And it will extend to, I don't know how many - Really?

- People.

Right.

Okay.

So you've got the leafs somewhere.

You just have to find them and put them in.

- Right.

And so his great auntie when she passed away she gave it to us.

And so it, it had been used many times - We've got some pictures here which show the condition it was in and it wasn't very good.

It sure wasn't very good.

I mean he feet were all knocked up and messed up.

- [Melisha] Right.

- [Mark] Did John work on it?

- [Melisha] He did.

Yes.

He restored it.

Yes.

- [Mark] If he could do the piano, I think this is probably pretty easy for him.

- Yes.

I think this was very easy for him.

(Mark laughs) Yes.

He does a great job.

- Okay.

Take us back along behind the stove here in the sink.

- Okay.

Oh and originally this stove was here and the sink was here.

- Oh, so you moved with John with the sink over here.

That's not so easy.

- Yes.

And this is like my little work center.

So I get to use this, all this area every day.

But for a birthday present, John had ordered actually this Huser cabinet.

It's what's called the side cabinet as a kit.

And he was at work.

And when they came and it was this boxes and boxes and I opened it up and it's lumber and hardware and I called him and I'm like, "Honey, I think you might want to return this because, (Mark laughs) I think he was thinking it was like an easy thing.

- Yeah.

- So it's like, "Oh, well, oh, I'll look at it".

So he bought the wood clamps, et cetera.

And for the Christmas birthday present, he did the big one for me.

- Oh, wow!

- And so I can pull this out and roll out dough on it - That's nice.

That's really nice.

- It's a kit.

But you know, he had to sand it and glue it together.

And so it has like all the, like little inserts and holder for them.

- He had no idea how much he would learn when he bought this house, did he?

- And actually this, he actually did this some years ago.

So we've been carrying that around with us for a while.

- All right.

Yeah.

You guys have had a lot to carry.

You finally had a house where you could put it all.

- Yes.

- John's a man of many hobbies and you've actually got a space now for your beverage center too.

And he brews his own beer in the basement?

- That's right.

- Good for him.

- Yeah.

This was a bathroom when we bought the house.

And so since we have three other bathrooms, he embellished it.

- We can do without this but we've got to have the beer.

- And he brews the beer.

Yes.

(laughs) - Thanks Melisha.

(laughs) Okay, Melisha.

One of the rooms that I guess used to be a bedroom off the main hall is now a school room.

- Yes.

- Not every house has a school room.

What's the point?

- True.

Well, since I homeschool, we needed a space.

And so I've been homeschooling for 10 years and this seemed to be a good space.

- And you have the two kids.

- Yes.

- Okay.

Their names and ages.

- John Neely.

He is 12.

- John is 12.

- Yes and Alexandria.

She's almost 15.

- Is that right?

Is Alexandria taking driving lessons yet?

- She is.

- She is.

- Yes she is taking driver's ed at the Warsaw high school.

- Okay.

All right.

And are you the teacher?

- For driver's ed?

- For these two here?

- Oh, right.

- You're the homeschooler?

- Yes.

- Are they getting their As?

- Yes.

They work very hard.

They're very studious.

- When I look around the room and I see a globe.

- Yes.

- I see Mona Lisa.

- Yes.

- I see the old Congress.

Is that the signing of the declaration of independence?

- Yes it is.

- And the American flag?

- Yes.

- Okay.

So your patriotic family?

- Yes we are.

- John's retired military, right?

- Yes.

- Okay.

- And these photos, they're meant to inspire.

- Yes.

We want the kids to have good role models and to be inspired, to do great things.

So important.

- Okay.

Well, they're, they're hard at work so I'm starting to feel guilty.

Like I should be whispering or something someday.

Maybe we should go somewhere else.

- Okay.

- Good luck kids.

See you.

(laughs) Okay, John, up we go.

You can nosebleed going up to the top of this house.

(John laughs) It's kind of dizzying too and you don't want to look down.

It's kind of dizzying.

- Oh definitely.

(Mark laughs) Yeah.

The first couple of months we lived here, my legs were sore.

(Mark laughs) - Of course you were carrying things like safes, - Yeah - Pianos.

- Right.

Right.

- And this is now we're almost out of space in the house because of houses go.

They, they kind of do this, but you've got storage on both sides here.

- Right.

- And then this was just, I guess would just lost space until you decided what you want to do with them.

- Yeah.

You know, it may have been more storage up here.

I'm not sure what it would have been originally.

It works out great for a nice little hangout area and watch TV and read.

It's a good spot.

- Yeah.

Yeah.

It's probably in the winter time.

It's a good place to curl up.

'Cause all the heat kind of concentrates up here.

- It definitely does.

Yeah.

It's nice and toasty.

- Take a nap or two on that couch on a January afternoon.

- Right.

- And then there's one more flight up.

- You have what some people call a cupola, other people call it a belvedere, but it's really neat because you've got a glass in and you can see almost all the walls of it.

- Right.

All right - Let's go take a look.

Just keep walking.

Okay.

John, we we've clawed our way up to the fourth floor, which is the belvedere.

It's kind of nice.

It's glassed in was it glassed in like this, when you bought the house?

- It was, and from old pictures it's always had windows up here like this.

- Yeah.

So if somebody A lot of people used to use these.

They would open up these windows and it would suck hot air out of the house in the summertime.

- Yeah.

- You might be able to do that at some point.

- Yeah, we do.

We open it up in the spring and get the windows like the door windows like we were there in the parlor.

- Yeah yeah - And you can really get a good draft through that.

- The real spring times program.

If you can get that nice and moist swift air coming through the house.

- Yeah.

- You can see a lot from here.

You can see almost all a Warsaw.

We're one block off of main street which is where that brick church is right there.

And you can see, you can see the North, this is the East side of town.

And then we can't see the West side of town but which is the river view.

We might be able to see the river from here but on this day, all the windows are fogged up and we can't see much.

(John laughs) - Right.

- But if we look out there we can see the old carriage house, which you have an interesting use for.

- Right.

I'm a gunsmith by trade now.

And that's my shop or I do I again work.

- Yeah.

Okay.

Well, neat.

So you're a busy man.

(both laugh) Two kids, you're a gunsmith.

You got this place to take care of.

- Yeah.

For a retired guy.

I'm really retired.

(laughs) - One other things where we go here, we can't see the ravine, but this house sits right on the edge of a very steep ravine.

And the reason that you just said, you found old remains down there that they used to toss down in there.

That's how you knew they burned coal and these fire places.

- Right.

Tons of burnt coal down along there.

(Mark laughs) - That's a nice piece of property.

Really nice.

- Thank you.

- Melisha, one of the reasons that you wanted to make sure that you got a period piano in this house is because you wanted your kids to learn, to play the piano.

Right?

- Yes.

- And so from the last five years they started gradually been taking lessons and learning how to do that, haven't they?

- Yes but you're not a musician.

So homeschooling your kids.

It wasn't gonna work for you to teach them piano.

- No, they've always taken piano lessons from someone else.

- Yeah.

Yeah.

And they're, they're coming along, aren't they?

- Yes.

- Okay.

- So I sort of muscled my way through being the producer of this program to get them to play for us.

So what are they going to play for us?

- The Charleston.

- The Charleston.

And why are they working on the Charleston?

- They are going to be participating in an ensemble.

Actually next weekend.

- Is that right?

- Yes.

- So they're getting close to having this thing down then, right?

- Yes, yes.

- Okay.

- Well, let's go ahead and listen to the Charleston and see and then we'll say goodbye.

- Okay - Okay kids?

Ready?

(piano music) (Mark laughs) (Melisha laughs) (piano music) (Mark and Melisha clap) Almost perfect.

Almost perfect.

That was really good, kids.

Thanks.

Isn't it great to see old things put to use again like the 1850 Spencer House, which is now the Thomas House?

For another Illinois Stories in Warsaw, I'm Mark MacDonald.

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