>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

A FEDERAL JUDGE DISMISSES THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS CASE AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

AND ALSO, THE SELECTION IS IN FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

AND THE SECURITY AR LACK THERE OF ON SATURDAY'S ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON DONALD TRUMP.

NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING, AND IS WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

A FEDERAL JUDGE TODAY DISMISSED THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS CASE AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

THE JUDGE, EILEEN CANNON, RULED THAT THE ENTIRE CASE SHOULD BE THROWN OUT BECAUSE THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR WHO BROUGHT THE CASE AGAINST TRUMP WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND HIS APPOINTMENT WAS NOT BASED ON FEDERAL STATUTE AND HE WAS NOT NAMED BY THE PRESIDENT OR THE SENATE.

A NUMBER OF UNUSUAL RULINGS IN TRUMP'S FAVOR, WHICH GOES AGAINST THE 1974 WATERGATE SUPREME COURT RULING WILL BE CERTAINLY APPEALED.

HE WAS CHARGED WITH MISHANDLING TOP SECRET DOCUMENTS AFTER LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE.

>>> NEW INFORMATION ON SATURDAY'S ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON TRUMP IN PENNSYLVANIA.

A TRANSMITTER WAS FOUND WHILE SEARCHING THE SHOOTER'S BODY AND IN THE SHOOTER'S CAR.

WIRES GOING INTO THE TRUMP AND POSSIBLY CONTAINING EXPLOSIVES.

THE SHOOTER INTENDED TO DETONATE THE EXPLOSIVES IN THE CAR AND DRAW THE SECURITY AWAY, AND THE THEORY IS THAT THE SHOOTER WAS DETECTED BY THE ATTENDEES AND POLICE WHICH SPED UP HIS PLAN FOR THE ATTACK.

ASSASSINATION PLANS AGAINST TRUMP, INCLUDING COMMENTS >> IT'S A SHOCK FOR EVERYONE.

IT INVOLVES ITSELF IN POLITICS, ASSASSINATION IT ATTEMPT AND ATTACK.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY A TERRORIST ATTACK, WHICH BY THE WAY RESULTED IN GRAVE INJURY AND ONE DEATH OF A DONALD J. TRUMP SUPPORTER.

>> I THINK THAT?

MR. TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT, WE WILL WORK.

UKRAINE, WE ARE EMOTIONAL AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS DIFFERENT.

I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SUPPORTS UKRAINE AND THE PEOPLE OF UKRAINE >> Anchor: ONE MORE NOTE ON THE SHOOTING, THE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY SAID THAT HE DID NOT PLAN TO FILE ANY CRIMINAL CHARGES IN THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT AND THE GUNMAN DIED AT THE SCENE AND HE DID NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY ACCOMPLICES.

DONALD J. TRUMP OFFICIALLY NAMED THE OFFICIAL GOP PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND HE NAMED OHIO SENATOR, JD VANCE AS HIS IS RUNNING MATE.

TRUMP ONCE CALLED HIM OBNOXIOUS AND REPREHENSIBLE.

AND MIGHT BE AMERICA'S HITLER.

HIS BRAZEN POLITICS AND FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT STOLEN ELECTIONS.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED, A FEDERAL JUDGE TODAY DISMISSED A CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS CASE AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.

I'LL NOT CANNON STATED THAT THE FUNDING FOR JACK SMITH WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND ILLEGAL.

PAUL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

AND THIS SEEMED LIKE IT WAS VERY UNUSUAL, IT CAME OUT OF THE BLUE AND WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> IT'S UNUSUAL AND CAME OUT OF THE BLUE, AND LET ME TAKE A STEP BACK AND START WITH SOME OF THE BASICS.

IF YOU OR I WERE TO HAVE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN OUR POSSESSION AND STORE THEM STAY IN OUR BATHROOM AND HAVE THE GOVERNMENT RETURN THEM, WE WOULD BE UNDOUBTEDLY IN FEDERAL PRISON SOMEWHERE, BUT WHAT CHANGES THE DYNAMIC HERE, ACCORDING TO THIS JUDGE IS THAT THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR WAS APPOINTED TO PURSUE THIS CASE AS RELATES TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, DIDN'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE CONSTITUTIONAL APPROVAL BY THE SENATE AND CONSENT.

AND DIDN'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATIONS OF FUNDS AND FOR THAT REASON, SHE SAID, I'M GOING TO PULL THIS CASE OUT AND DID SO, AND IN CONSIDERABLE CASE LAW THAT SAYS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL IS CONSTITUTIONALLY FIT, IS ILLEGAL IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO PURSUE PROSECUTIONS >> AND THAT GOES BACK TO 19674, THE WATERGATE ERA, WHERE WE FIRST LEARNED ABOUT SPECIAL COUNSELS AND PROSECUTORS, I THINK IN 1997 AND THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE AND WHERE IS SHE BE GETTING UP ALL OF THIS?

>> IT WAS ALMOST AN INVITATION, A U.S. SUPREME COURT DECISION RECENTLY, IN WHICH THE SUPREME COURT SAID FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND ALL PRESIDENTS GOING FORWARD ARE GOING HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF IMMUNITY FROM CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.

AND IN THAT DECISION DISCUSSING IMMUNITY, THERE WAS A CONCURRING OPINION FROM JUSTICE CLARENCE THOMAS, WHO SORT OF OUT OF THE BLUE, TO DESCRIBE IT THAT WAY, SAID LISTEN, SHOULD ANY DISTRICT JUDGE HAVE GREEDINESS IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S A MECHANISM BY WHICH I THINK YOU SHOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT SPECIAL COUNSELS ARE APPROPRIATELY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY IS APPOINTED AND SO CANNON, THE JUDGE IN THIS CASE, TURNED TO THAT AS THE OPINION WHICH ONLY JUSTICE THOMAS LATCHED ONTO THAT AND POINTS TO THAT AS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR AS TO WHY SHE THINKS THIS CASE SHOULD BE DISMISSED >> IN READING ABOUT THIS AND HER DECISION, IT'S ALMOST AS IF SHE SAID IN 1974, THIS LANDMARK WAS PRECEDENT UNTIL THOMAS MADE AN OFF-HAND REMARK.

BUT THE IDEA IN '74, THAT COUNSEL COULD BE APPOINTED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT WAS A PASSING PHRASE ITSELF AND WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT?

>> SHE SAID THAT THE LAW HAS CHANGED AND THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CONSTITUTION HAS EVOLVED AND FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, SHE WAS GOING TO HOLD THAT THIS SPECIAL COUNSEL WAS UNCONSTITUTIONALLY APPOINTED.

WHAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE HAS SAID TODAY, TED, THEY ARE GOING TO APPEAL AND THEY WILL MOST CERTAINLY APPEAL.

AS YOU POINTED OUT, SHE HAS ALREADY BEEN REVERSED TWICE IN WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS SCATHING OPINIONS FROM THE FIFTH CIRCUIT AND SAID YOU GOT IT WRONG WITH THE COURT OF APPEALS AND VERY LOUD AND I WOULD SAY IN AN ALMOST AGGRESSIVE WAY.

AND THAT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN APPEAL AND MOST CERTAINLY WHOEVER WINS OR LOSES, AND THAT APPEAL TO THE U.S. SUPERIOR COURT, WHERE CLARENCE THOMAS HAS A WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND THE VICTORY HERE IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE DISMISSAL IN THE CASE, FOR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, IT'S THE DELAY, BECAUSE SHOULD HE BECOME PRESIDENT IN THE NEXT ELECTION, THIS CASE WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE DISMISSED EVEN IF IT SURVIVES ALL OF IT.

>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS, SHE DIDN'T REALLY RULE ON THE MERITS OF THE CASE.

SHE JUST RULED ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SPECIAL -- COULDN'T SHE HAVE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AGO?

>> IT IS PECULIAR, AND SHE HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO A GREAT DEAL OF CRITICISM.

SHE'S LISTENING TO ISSUES THAT WOULD NEVER BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY ANY OTHER DISTRICT COURT JUDGE IN MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

SHE'S INVITING PARTIES WHICH ARE NOT PARTIES TO THIS PROSECUTION TO WEIGH IN, AND DID SO ON THIS DECISION, WHETHER OR NOT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL HAD AUTHORITY TO PROSECUTE THIS CASE, AND ALL OF THIS DELAY HAS MADE SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT SHE SHOULD BE RELEASED FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY JUST TODAY SAYING THAT SHE SHOULD BE OUR NEXT U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT SHE HAS DONE SO WELL IN THE CASE, AND THERE ARE A GREAT DEAL OF LEGAL SCHOLARS THAT THINK THAT'S NOT CRAT >> SO -- ACCURATE.

>> SO THERE COULD BE A GREAT NUMBER OF JULYS, IF TRUMP WINS THE ELECTION, THE FIRST THING HE'S GOING TO DO IS GET THIS OUT OF HERE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, AND EVEN IF PRESIDENT BIDEN WINS RE-ELECTION AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP LOSES, THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN GET RID OF THIS JUDGE IS A TOUGH HURDLE.

KNOCKING A JUDGE OFF OF A CASE BECAUSE THEY'RE WRONG AS OPPOSED TO MISCONDUCT OR ETHICAL MISSTEP IS DIFFICULT TO DO.

JUDGES ARE WRONG, BUT THIS JUDGE HAS BEEN WRONG MULTIPLE TIMES AND MAYBE FOUND TO BE WRONG THIS TIME AS WELL >> WITH THAT IN MIND AND THE LAST QUESTION, THIS HAPPENS TWO DAYS AFTER AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT.

IT HAPPENS AT THE START OF THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION.

SHE HAS BASICALLY BEEN SEEN FROM A DISTANCE, LOOKS LIKE SHE'S CARRYING WATER FOR DONALD TRUMP AND I HATE TO SAY THAT ABOUT A FEDERAL JUDGE, BUT IT KIND OF LOOKS THAT WAY.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD LOOK, IS IT?

>> IT'S NOT, AND HERE'S WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE.

FIRST, I ASSUME GOOD FAITH.

THAT SHE'S DOING HER BEST AND IT MAY BE THAT SHE'S NOT ADROIT ENOUGH AND NOT LEARNED ENOUGH AND NOT EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO DO WHAT IT RIGHT, AND WHAT LEGAL SCHOLARS BELIEVE, HIRED BY HER BOSS OF THE CIRCUIT.

BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING UNTOWARD, AND SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE IN ALL OF THIS, IT WILL ALL COME TO LIGHT EVENTUALLY.

AND THESE THINGS USUALLY DO.

SO LET'S WAIT AND SEE.

SEE WHAT THIS RESULTS IN UNDOUBTEDLY BY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT.

OR BY AN ELECTION, WHICH WILL KEEP THE PROSECUTION FROM MOVING FORWARD AT ALL.

>> AND THAT MIGHT NOT EVEN HAPPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER?

NO, THE IDEA THAT OF THIS-THEY HAVETHE SPECIAL COUNSEL SAID THAT THEY ARE GOING TO APPEAL AND THE IDEA THAT THIS WILL BE RESOLVED BEFORE NOVEMBER -- >> NO WAY.

ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON FOR ANALYSIS.

THANK YOU.

>> NEXT TIME ON BENJAMIN FRANKLIN.

>> WE PLEDGE OUR LIVES AND FORTUNES AND SACRED HONOR.

>> DIPLOMACY.

>> FRANKLIN HAD TO HELP THE AMERICANS OVERTHROW ANOTHER MAN ORC.

-- MONARCH.

>> DONALD J. TRUMP ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT OHIO SENATOR, JD VANCE IS HIS SELECTION FOR VICE PRESIDENT.

IT'S SURPRISING TO SOME CONSIDERING THAT VANCE WAS ONCE A STRONG VOCAL CRITIC OF THE PRESIDENT, AND CHUCK, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

AND JD VANCE, WERE YOU SURPRISED AT ALL?

>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE JOKING WITH ALL OF THIS UNITY COVERING, HERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE PICNICKY HALEY AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SORT OF REVOLUTIONARY.

BUT HE WENT IN THIS DIRECTION AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE HE WAS SET BECAUSE VANCE REALLY PUTS A CREDIBLE VOICE ON A LOT OF THOSE TRUMPIAN POLICIES OF THE UNDERSERVED IN AMERICA.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEFT BEHIND BY THE ECONOMIC REVOLUTION THAT'S ENCAPSULATED AMERICA, AND THAT'S WHERE HIS BIRTHPLACE WAS.

HIS SUCCESS IS A REMARKABLE STORY.

AND HE CLEARLY, AT 39, HE'S A YOUNG MAN AND CAN PROVIDE A LOT OF VIGOR.

>> AND HE LITERALLY WROTE THE BOOK ON THOSE WHO FELT LEFT BEHIND AND HE HELPED GET DONALD J. TRUMP ELECTED.

39, EX MARINE AND A ON FORMER TRUMP CRITIC.

HE WAS NOT JUST A CRITIC.

COMPARING HIM TO HITLER AND NOXIOUS AND THAT ALL CHANGED WHEN HE RAN FOR U.S. SENATE AND THAT HAS TO BE TOUGH TO SQUARE >> IT WAS, AND HE HAS, AND THE WAY HE HAS LOOKED AT IT, HE SAID LOOK, I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE GUY, AND I FEEL I CAN PLACE MYSELF WITHIN HIS TRIBE, AND BE A VOICE OF ECONOMIC REASON FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

AND I THINK THAT'S HIS CALCULUS.

YALE GRADUATE, SUPER SMART, I THINK WHEN TRUMP TALKS ABOUT PARIS, HE STARTS TO -- VANCE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TARIFFS IN A WAY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE SEEN AS SOMEWHAT PRODUCTIVE WITH SOME PARTS OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY.

I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR THAT.

BUT HE DEFINITELY PUTS AN INTELLECTUAL UNDER PINNING UNDER WHAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FADING BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

>> HE ALSO BRINGS OHIO, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY A WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA.

HE BRINGS THE RUST BELT, DOES HE NOT?

THOSE KEY STATES, THAT MICHIGAN, PENNSYLVANIA, WISCONSIN, HE'S A MIDWESTERN BY UPBRINGING, HE HAS THAT MIDWESTERN THING GOING FOR HIM AND YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD PICK >> BUT IS IT ENOUGH?

DEMOCRATS ARE ALREADY SAYING THAT HE HAS LOCKED UP WITH MAGA FROM DAY ONE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE GAUZE HE WAS AGAINST MAGA FROM DAY ONE.

HOW DO THE DEMOCRATS GO AGAINST SOMEONE LIKE THIS?

>> THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM HERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ALL OF THOSE QUOTES.

AND THAT WILL GIVE VANCE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ARTICULATE WHERE HE IS, AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING THING TO LISTEN TO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT A LOT OF US, THERE ARE A LOT OF JOURNALISTS THAT HAVE DONE LONG FORM JOURNALISM, TRYING TO DISCERN THAT, AND A LOT OF IT, HE'S 39 AND STILL FIGURING IT OUT.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PIECES TO BE FIGURED OUT AND NOW YOU'RE THE BUG UNDER THE MICROSCOPE NOW, AND IT'S PLAYTIME.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF HE CAN ARTICULATE THOSE POSITIONS >> AND HE'S 39 AND THE RUNNING MATE TO A POSSIBLE PRESIDENT, WHO WILL BE ADVANCING IN AGE AND ADVANCING IN YEARS, AND THERE'S THAT, AND THERE'S ALSO THE 2028 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT NIKKI HALEY AND MARCO RUBIO, IT'S NOT A GREAT DAY FOR THEM.

>> IT'S NOT, HE HAS GENERATIONALLY SKIPPED AND HE HAS GONE DOWN THE ROAD A BIT.

AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW HE WILL DIGEST THE END OF PENCE.

I THINK THAT HE HAS TO LOOK AT PENCE AS SOMEBODY OF GREAT CHARACTER.

AND HE MAY BE OUT OF TUNE WITH PENCE ON SOME OF THESE ECONOMIC POLICIES BUT HE CAN'T BE COMPLETELY IN TUNE -- THE WHOLE ELECTION, I HAVEN'T HEARD HIM TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT.

AND SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW HE NAVIGATES THAT NARRATIVE THAT TRUMP HAS ESTABLISHED AS BEING ANGRY, AND WE SEE A LOT OF ANGER WITHIN THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE TODAY ABOUT BEING LEFT BEHIND AND BEING CHEATED BY THE ELITES.

>> I DID SEE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES, HE WOULD ACCEPT THE RESULTS IF IT WAS PROVEN THAT THEY WERE FAIR AND ACCURATE AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND THAT ALTERNATE ELECTORS SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR EACH STATE AND HE'S TIPTOEING DOWN THE ROAD.

IS THAT ENOUGH FOR THE TRUE BELIEVERS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

IS HE ANGRY ENOUGH >> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE THING, AND WE HAVE THIS WEEK, RIGHT?

WE HAVE TRUMP STARTING IS IN THE CONVENTION IN MILWAUKEE AND HE'S GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT UNITY AND TOGETHER.

WE ALL CHUCKLE AT THAT, BUT THERE'S A WIDE LATITUDE OF OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO DO THAT.

AND WHAT DOES HE DO ABOUT THE DEHUMANIZING NARRATIVE ON ALL OF THE IMMIGRATION POPULATIONS, THEIR ENEMIES AND WHAT DOES HE DO WITH ALL OF THAT?

OR DOES HE ASSUME MORE OF A MANTLE HERE AND ALLOW VANCE TO CARRY OUT A MORE THOUGHTFUL AGENDA?

IT'S GOING TO BE FASCINATING TO WATCH.

>> I THINK IT'S INTERESTING AS WELL, THAT SOMEONE SO AGAINST DONALD TRUMP AND SAW THE LIGHT CHANGED HIS WAYS.

TRUMP LOVES THAT KIND OF STUFF.

>> HE DOES, HE LOVES PEOPLE THAT EXPRESS LOYALTY TO HIM AT THE END OF THE DAY.

THE NIKKI HALEY THING WAS, WE CAN PICK HER ON AN UNITY CONVENTION BECAUSE SHE HAS AN INVITATION TO BE THERE, AND SHE WAS CRITICIZING HIM REAM.

YOU HAVE ABOUT A TWO-YEAR HEALING ON THE CRITICISM THAT YOU CAN LEVEL >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE DOWN BALLOT OF THESE TWO IN THE RACE?

>> I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS IN A WORLD OF ITS OWN ORBIT AND A WHIRLWIND OF THINGS RIGHT NOW.

I THINK THAT IT LEAVES A LOT OF SPACE FOR DOWN BALLOT CANDIDATES TO NARRATE THEIR OWN CAMPAIGN.

I DO BELIEVE THAT TRUMP HAS PROBABLY EXPERIENCED A SURGE IN SUPPORT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS AS A RESULT OF THE TERRIBLE INCIDENT IN PENNSYLVANIA.

BUT I'M ALSO CURIOUS TO SEE IF THAT RUNS, IF THOSE ARE COATTAILS.

AND MY INSTINCT IS THERE ARE NOT COATTAILS THERE.

MY INSTINCT, THE AMERICAN ELECTORATE IS GOING TO BE DISCERNING, I'LL GO WITH THIS, AND I'M CURIOUS IT SEE HOW THAT TURNS OUT >> I WON'T ASK YOU WHAT THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD DO ON THE TOP OF THEIR IT TICKET BECAUSE THAT WILL BE A LOT MORE COMMENT.

>> NEXT WEEK!

>> WE'LL SEE YOU THEN.

CHUCK, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

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>> SATURDAY'S ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON DONALD TRUMP WAS OBVIOUSLY A SECURITY PROBLEM, AND AS SUCH, QUESTIONS ARE BEING RAISED REGARDING THE U.S. SECRET SERVICE AND ITS ABILITY TO PROTECT THE COUNTRY'S CURRENT AND FORMER LEADERS.

A FORMER SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE OF THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE IN PHOENIX, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE T >> WHAT EXACTLY IS THE SECRET SERVICE CHARGED WITH AT EVENTS LIKE THIS?

>> THE SECRET SERVICE HAS COMPLETE CONTROL OVER ALL SORTS OF EVENTS, PARTICULARLY DURING THE CAMPAIGN, THEY'RE THE PROTECTIVE AGENCY FOR THE PROTECTTY, WHOEVER IT IS.

THE CANDIDATE.

THEIR GOAL IS TO GO IN AND OFTENTIMES THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIME AHEAD OF THESE EVENTS TO PREPARE.

THEY GO IN WITH WHAT THEY CAN WITH WHAT ASSETS THEY HAVE IN A TOWN OR CITY THEY NEED TO.

SO THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO SETTING UP A SECURITY PLAN, AND IT -- WE COULD BREAK THIS DOWN IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY ROLE WITH THE CANDIDATES, WHICH DONALD J. TRUMP IS A CANDIDATE.

>> LET'S BREAK IT DOWN THIS WAY.

THIS HELPS ME, AND I READ ABOUT THIS, AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

SOUNDS LIKE THE SECRET SERVICE SETS UP A MIDDLE, AN OUTER AND A MIDDLE PERIMETER AND THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF THE INNER AND THEY WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE MIDDLE AND NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE OUTER.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

>> NOT SO MUCH.

WE CAN BREAK IT DOWN, WE HAVE 360-DEGREE COVERAGE ABOVE AND BELOW AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WE LOOK AT THE CENTER OF PROTECTION, BUT WE HAVE A HAND ON EVERY LEVEL OF THE PERIMETER, SO WE'LL COORDINATE AND WE'LL SET UP COUNTERPARTS WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WORK FROM THE OUTSIDE IN.

MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND THE BIGGEST CONCERN OF THE SECRET SERVICE AND STILL IS, IS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PERIMETER.

THERE'S NO DOUBT THERE WAS A FAILURE HERE ON SATURDAY.

BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO POINTING TOGETHER AN OUTDOOR CAMPAIGN EVENT IN THE THROES, IN THE FINAL MONTHS OF A CAMPAIGN.

A LOT OF TIMES, THESE LOCATIONS ARE DECIDED IN THE AIR AS PRESIDENTS ARE FLYING AROUND FROM CITY TO CITY, AND THEY'RE DIRECTED BY POLLS, AND SOMETIMES AGENTS GET A COUPLE OF HOURS OF ADVANCED NOTICE THAT THESE EVENTS ARE BEING SETUP AND SOMETIMES THEY GET A COUPLE OF DAYS.

>> THE GUNMAN GOT OFF SOME SHOTS BEFORE THE SECRET SERVICE FIRED BACK, AND JUDGING FROM WHAT I'M READING, THE SECRET SERVICE SNIPER IS MAY HAVE BEEN SURPRISED THAT THE GUNMAN WAS THAT CLOSE.

>> SO RIGHT, WE LOOK AT ALL ASPECTS AND FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THAT THE RESPONSE OF THE AGENTS WAS ABSOLUTELY TEXTBOOK, AND I DON'T THINK IT COULD HAVE GONE ANY BETTER WITH WHAT YOU HAD.

EVERY AGENT WAKES UP THINKING TODAY IS THE DAY, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN TODAY.

AND WE PREPARE AND TRAIN AND WE'RE READY FOR SUCH AN EVENT.

IT WAS VERY COORDINATED AND THE COMMUNICATION WAS EXCELLENT.

I HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING ME, WHY WAS THE COUNTER SNIPER TEAM UP THERE LOOKING SORT OF SURPRISED?

WELL, IT WAS PRETTY SIMPLE.

THE COUNTER SNIPER TEAMS HAVE ONE JOB.

TO ISOLATE THE TARTS AND DECIDE IF THEY'RE FRIENDLY OR FAUX AND NEUTRALIZE THEM.

THEY DON'T SHOOT TO WOUND.

THERE'S A BIG DECISION THAT IS MADE UP THERE AND A LOT OF COMMUNICATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEY PULL THAT TRIGGER AND NEUTRALIZE THAT TART.

I BELIEVE AFTER LOOKING AT ALL OF THE VIDEO AND READING AND STUDYING ALL THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW, THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION, I BELIEVE, WHICH CAN HAPPEN.

THERE ARE SOMETIMES TWO, THREE, FOUR DIFFERENT POLICE AGENCIES THAT COME TOGETHER TO SUPPORT AN EVENT LIKE THIS, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THE TOWNSHIP OR THE CITY AND NOT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME RADIO COMMUNICATIONS.

THERE ARE COMMAND POSTS AND DECISION MAKERS, AND EVERYONE IS IN THE SAME ROOM MAKING DECISIONS, BUT IF THINGS DON'T HAPPEN AT BREAKNECK SPEED.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE PERSON ON THAT ROOF IS NOT PERHAPS FROM A DIFFERENT TOWNSHIP, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO HAS BEEN SENT UP THERE TO INVESTIGATE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ON THE GROUND >> THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS CURIOUS, YOU SAID THAT THE SECRET SERVICE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT ONCE THE SHOTS ARE ARE FIRED AND I HAVE TO QUESTION THAT.

IT SEEMS THAT HE'S UP AND WAVING AND HE'S STILL A TARGET AND NO ONE KNOWS IF THERE'S A SECOND SHOOTER.

THAT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT TO ME >> IT DOESN'T, FROM AN UNTRAINED EYE, AND FORGIVE ME, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNICATION GOING ON IN THE EAR PIECES AND A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEING PASSED DOWN IMMEDIATELY.

SO THE AGENTS VERY LIKELY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN UP IF THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT THE TARGET HAS BEEN NEUTRALIZED AND HE'S SAFE OR DIRECTED TO DO SO.

SO WHEN I SAY THAT IT HAPPENED ADDS WELL AS IT COULD HAVE, WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH A 6-THREE-MAN WHO JUST GOT HIT AND HE'S PROBABLY GOING THROUGH SOME SHOCK OF HIS OWN, AND HE'S CONSIDERING HIS RESPONSE.

AND ALSO TRYING TO REMAIN POISED AND AT A CAMPAIGN EVENT AS TRUMP DOES.

SO YOU'RE ALSO DEALING WITH THE COOPERATION SO TO SPEAK OF THE PROTECTEES IN ORDER TO GET THEM OUT.

BUBBA THERE'S COORDINATION, AND THERE HAS TO BE A COORDINATED EFFORT THERE, AND BASED ON WHAT I SAW THERE, THERE CERTAINLY WAS.

>> ALL RIGHT, AND U.S. SECRET SERVICE HERE IN PHOENIX.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW, I'M TED SIMONS, AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, AND HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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