Trump administration is reportedly considering a large scale expansion to its travel ban.

>> And then, though, from the State Department reveals 36 additional countries, most of them, African or majority black nations could soon face full or partial entry restrictions.

This is in addition to 12 countries, the administration already banned earlier this month.

The news has sparked outrage from local immigrant rights groups saying the policy, quote, endangers lives, fuels anti-black, an anti immigrant sentiment and just honors the contributions of Haitian and African immigrants.

Joining us to discuss more are let's work on top of president of the Dusable Heritage Association and Alejandro Palacios staff attorney at the University of Illinois, Chicago's International Human Rights Clinic.

Thanks to both for joining us.

So earlier this month window President Donald Trump, he announced the travel, the travel restrictions on 12 nations.

Yesterday we learned, you know, via The Washington Post reporting really that 36 more countries could join that list.

And as I mentioned, most of them, majority black, as you can see by the map, many of them are in Africa.

That's On top of what is your reaction to this news?

So thank Brenda, having me first.

And it to make tradition past president of sub would have huge thank you see ship.

>> so.

>> you, chair of the.

>> coalition of Haitian American organizations.

So this is something you know, that doesn't sit well with us because we don't know that Haiti is a.

Is enemy of the U.S. We don't know that that that Haiti has had any kind of immunity against us.

In fact, ad he's one of the surest allies of the U.S. given it a national community.

So we we always what it lacks.

That would be us.

You know, so we don't understand where that's coming from.

what this in context, this isn't the same time that the the administration is warning out to red carpet for kind you and Suffolk and supposedly that they'll arrest, that being subject to general site and then same time, so big that they are doing to against the African countries.

I don't kind of threat security threat we posing to to the U.S.

I mean, we don't have any kind of a weapon.

across the Atlantic, you know, to you us citywide, Alice, trying where and how it could be.

Well, if you know, we mentioned the press release from the coalition of Haitian American organizations in the Chicagoland area, United African Organization.

They're calling the policy.

>> Anti-black, in your view, are countries that are selected for these travel bans is is this blatantly racist?

mid contrast.

>> we did red carpet do about Exactly.

So if you something that's you that we should put in context of do replacement theory.

He says that is the U.S. what's at play.

That I mean, there was some you give us when we when we see that drowning of the I mean, again.

Countries is that something that we need?

That causes?

some people, some sectors to be.

a flight full of.

So as I said, so there is no rhyme or reason.

I think that the I mean, if you think that's when that is, you know, is good So it the country's outlined in the cable, the site that are the concerns outlined in the cable, should say, cite these countries apparent lack of identity documents.

>> And the questionable security of those countries, passports.

It also mentions that some of the country's lack cooperation to facilitate the removal their nationals who have overstayed their visas in the U.S. and are these are these valid national security concerns?

So according to the Trump administration, they are.

And as we understand, given the history of of how the courts have also received.

>> lot of the policies that have come down from the Trump administration.

He has broad powers to control immigration law and so he is just defying these actions through the need for increased national security.

But what's interesting and what I would like to point out is that the countries that are named in the in the struggle band, right?

None of these countries except for believe Iran are listed on the United States terrorist list.

And so there seems to be some confusion there.

But what we do see, we do see this impacting U.S. citizens.

We do see this impact.

The we do see justifications.

>> On the basis of national security and on this idea these countries are not accepting individuals who have been deported and that these countries lack appropriate screening and vetting procedures.

>> that then result in some kind of danger to U.S. citizens.

But, you know, even thinking about President Trump tried to conflate the the attack in Colorado as a reason to justify this travel ban, that individual was an Egyptian national and Egypt is not on on the list, right?

And so it it there seems to be a lot of doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason behind some of these policies.

How to you think this differs from the travel ban in Trump's first administration?

We know that was majority Muslim nations.

The U.S. >> And so during the first administration, what we saw is a lot of a lot more chaos.

A lot.

A lot of short notice and a lot of racist rhetoric around this around on the travel ban to mean it was called the Muslim travel ban for a reason Trump made openly racist remarks about how he was targeting Muslim countries.

And so that caused a lot of public instruction.

Individuals were arriving at airports and and being and not being allowed to enter.

Right.

And from one day to the next this new travel ban has a lot more legal precision.

It is broader and it has specific exemptions and waiver options as well.

And so I believe that the Trump administration have learned from the litigation that occurred during the first administration to now overcome those legal hurdles that they faced during during the first round of litigation related to this issue.

And this new Muslim enter this new travel ban.

Excuse me does not signal does not single out Muslim countries rather.

It is a more extensive list and the administration has also made remarks about how this list was created.

Also because the governments that are the governments of those nations are not respond.

receiving their nationals back or there's, you know, it's not the best relationship with those countries.

Yeah.

And reports show that the governments of those list of nations they've been given 60 days to meet new benchmarks and requirements established by the U.S. State Department in a deadline of 08:00AM on Wednesday to say, hey, this is the initial action plan.

>> That we've come up to to meet that.

Of course, the White House has not necessarily responded, were confirmed any of this just yet.

It's or this, you know, course, this all comes on the heels of, you know, the mass deportations and the detainment of pro-Palestinian students that we've been seeing.

Do you think this travel ban as part of greater anti-immigrant sentiment?

>> Well, yes, So so deputy deputy.

And indeed, this is as far as heat is said this is yet another front to he people.

So we know that back in the fall.

I mean, I'm in the coming We're just comments that were made.

But Haitians, so those so it's so death and that in >> is an appendix, you know, to know that sentiment against immigration.

It's a type of immigration, as I've said Okay.

So I do want welcome.

but what for?

But for some of African countries, obviously it doing.

And it seems that there's some better that are not so welcome and that thank you.

So like the administration seems to picking and choosing.

But I'll curious to see >> what the State Department and the White House says on the record right now.

are.

We know that this is based Washington Post reporting.

We'll have to leave it there