THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY.•• FIRST, WOMEN FUELING THE ANTI-TRUMP MOVEMENT.

THEN, IS IT BACK TO ABSTINENCE-ONLY FOR THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S TEEN PREGNANCY PREVENTION STRATEGY?

AND IT'S BOY SCOUTS VERSUS GIRLS SCOUTS FOR NEW RECRUITS.

HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY GENDER DIVIDE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ACTIONS IN THE PAST WEEK HAVE COST HIM A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM WOMEN.

A NEW GALLUP POLL FINDS ONLY 29-PERCENT OF WOMEN COMPARED WITH 43-PERCENT OF MEN APPROVE OF THE PRESIDENT.

THE 14-POINT DIFFERENCE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST GENDER GAPS FOR A MODERN PRESIDENT THIS EARLY IN A FIRST TERM.

"OPPOSITION TO PRESIDENT TRUMP AMONG WOMEN IS SOLIDIFYING" ACCORDING TO THE RESEARCH DIRECTOR FOR THE PUBLIC RELIGION RESEARCH INSTITUTE THAT ALSO RELEASED A SURVEY ASKING ABOUT IMPEACHMENT THIS WEEK.

IT FOUND 40-PERCENT OF AMERICANS SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT, UP 10 POINTS SINCE FEBRUARY.

AND THE GENDER GAP HAS WIDENED CONSIDERABLY.

NEARLY HALF OF WOMEN (47%) AND 32-PERCENT OF MEN BELIEVE TRUMP SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.

AMONG DEMOCRATS THE GENDER GAP IS EVEN WIDER, 80% OF WOMEN AND 62% OF MEN SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT.

THESE POLLS COME THE SAME WEEK DEBATE OVER TRUMP'S FITNESS FOR THE JOB ESCALATED.

FIRST FORMER DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE JAMES CLAPPER WENT PUBLIC ABOUT HIS CONCERN OVER TRUMP'S ACCESS TO NUCLEAR CODES.

CALIFORNIA REPRESENTATIVE JACKIE SPEIER CAME OUT SAYING THERE'S "A GROWING MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN VERY ERRATIC, HAS SHOWN MENTAL INSTABILITY" AND SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE UNDER THE 25TH AMENDMENT.

SO, Dr. BROWN, DID ALL THIS TALK THIS WEEK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S FITNESS FOR OFFICE TURN OFF MORE WOMEN THAN MEN?

>> I THINK WE SEE A CONTINUATION OF TRENDS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE EVER SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS ELECTED.

THERE WAS AN 11-POINT GENDER GAP IN THE ELECTION RESULTS AND HIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT.

>> I DO NOT THINK WOMEN HAVE BEEN MORE TURNED OFF THAN THEY WERE BY THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR.

WOMEN ARE USED TO BE CALLED CRAZY AND LUNATICS AND THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT SEE MANY WOMEN THAT ARE DISTURBED BY IT.

I THINK FAR MORE MEN ARE.

>> IT'S MAYA ANGELOU'S QUOTE WHEN THEY TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE BELIEVE THEM.

>> WOMEN, I THINK WERE AFFECTED BY WHAT THEY SEE IN THE NEWS.

AND BUT THEIR OPINIONS MAY SHIFT AGAIN.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.

>> FIRST, LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT THE COMMENTS FITNESS FOR OFFICE.

WAS THIS NEWS TO ANYBODY?

I MEAN HE DID BEHAVE, I SAW TWO NEWS MAJOR NEWS ORGANIZATIONS USE THE TERM UNHINGED FOR THE FIRST TIME TO DESCRIBE HIM AFTER HIS SPEECH IN PHOENIX.

BUT HE GAVE SPEECHES LIKE THAT DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

IS THIS GOING TO TURN SUPPORT AWAY FROM HIM?

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, THE PUSH FOR IMPEACHMENT IT FEEDS HIS NARRATIVE, THE MEDIA IS OUT TO GET ME AND THE MORE WE CAN FOCUS ON POLICIES TO SHOW THAT HE IS UNHINGED AND NOT QUALIFIED THE BETTER.

BUT RIGHT NOW AND ESPECIALLY AS A GIRL GROWING UP IN SOUTH CAROLINA, IT DOES FEEL LIKE A FULL ATTACK AND THE REACTION IS GOING TO BE TO DEFEND WHICH IS NOT THE REACTION WE WANT.

>> THEN WHY ARE WOMEN TURNING OFF TO HIM, ACCORDING TO THE POLL?

>> WOMEN MAY BE GETTING TURNED OFF BECAUSE OF A LACK OF LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT.

THERE WERE SERIOUS PRIORITIES HAVE ANY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED, NO?

AND HE SHIFTS THE BLAME TO CONGRESS TIME AND AGAIN.

>> HOW CAN HE SPLIT THE INFINITIVE IF, INDEED, YOU THE REASON HE IS NOT MAKING ANY PROGRESS WITH MITCH McCONNELL IS BECAUSE HE SEEMS UNHINGED AND HE ATTACKS THE LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS OF HIS OWN PARTY.

NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER DONE THAT BEFORE.

YOU CAN'T EXPECT TO WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE IF YOU ARE GOING TO CALL THEM HORRIBLE NAMES AND TELL THEM THEY ARE INEFFECTIVE AND INCOME AT THE PRESENT TIME AND ALL THE REST AND THE REASON HE IS DOING THAT IS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN HIS BRAIN THAT IS NOT NORMAL.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING WAS GOING ON IN HIS BRAIN.

I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW.

BUT I THINK THIS IS PART OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PERSONAL STRATEGY.

HE CALLED PEOPLE NAMES ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, MARCO RUBIO, A SENATOR AND THE PEOPLE STILL SUPPORTED HIM.

THIS IS NOT ANYTHING UNUSUAL.

YES THIS PAST WEEK WE MAY HAVE SEEN A DAY BY DAY FLIP-FLOP, ONE DAY YOU KNOW THE CHIEF OF STAFF JOHN KELLY HAS WRITTEN THE SPEECH AND HE HAS A TELEPROMPTER AND THE NEXT DAY IT'S HIM IN FULL FORCE.

IT IS UNNERVING FOR MEMBERS OF THOSE OF US WHO GO ON AIR AND TALK ABOUT THE STATE OF U.S.

POLITICS.

WE HAVE NEVER SEEN A DAY BY DAY FLIP-FLOP AND IN THE MONTHS SINCE HE HAS BECOME PRESIDENT WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT TO THIS LEVEL.

BUT THIS IS WHO WE KNEW WON.

AND HIS BASE WANTED THIS PERSON BECAUSE HE IS NOT POLITICAL CORRECT.

HE DOESN'T DO THINGS AS USUAL SO THEY ARE NOT THAT SURPRISED WHEN HE CALLS THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER SOMETHING AND THERE IS A NEW POLL OUT SHOWING THAT MAJORITY LEADER MILITIA McCONNELL, THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN WASHINGTON A POLL IS SHOWING HE IS LOSING SUPPORT AMONGST REPUBLICANS.

FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP THIS STRATEGY IS WORKING.

>> LET ME SAY TWO THINGS; FIRST, THE INSTITUTION OF THE PRESIDENCY DOES NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO BECOMES PRESIDENT.

THAT IS A HUGE FALLACY PEOPLE THINK THAT SOMEBODY WHO ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL MIGHT BE SOMEBODY DIFFERENT ONCE THEY ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

THE WHITE HOUSE, IF ANYTHING, MAGNIFIES THEIR PERSONALLAL.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW, ARE MORE REPUBLICANS COMING TO GRIPS WITH THAT REALIZATION.

>> BUT DO YOU THINK HE'S GOT A STRATEGY HERE?

>> NO.

>> OR IS HE DRIVEN BY WHATEVER IS GOING ON WITH HIM MENTALLY?

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS STRATEGIC IN HIS BEHAVIOR.

I BELIEVE THAT HE IS SORT OF ABSOLUTELY ENGAGED IN HIS IMPULSES.

WHAT MAKES SENSE TO HIM AT THE MOMENT IS WHAT HE DOES.

AND THAT IS A PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN POLITICS, BECAUSE THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> AND WHY WOULD WOMEN WANT TO SUPPORT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT WHEN YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SEE THAT IF A CHILD LIKE -- CHILD OF THEIRS WERE ACTING LIKE THIS THEY WOULD TAKE THEM TO THE PSYCHIATRIST.

>> I DO -- I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE MENTAL TRYING TO DECIDE IF HE IS MENTALLY ILL.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SEEN WHO HE IS AND WHEN THEY HEAR THAT TALK THEY SAY YEP, YOU HAVE NOT LIKED HIM FROM THE BEGINNING AND YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME THING THAT CNN SAID AND ALL THE ELITES SAID AND I DO NOT THINK THAT HELPS THE CONVERSATION.

AND WHY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANTED HIM WAS BECAUSE OF THE POLICIES.

HE PROMISED LOWER TAXES.

CHANGE IN IMMIGRATION STATUS, CHANGE ON HEALTHCARE.

AND I THINK THE BIG PROBLEM IS WHETHER HE IS GOING TO DO THAT.

AND I AGREE SOME OF HIS STYLE SO APPEALING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY STILL THEY ARE GOING TO WANT THE GOODS DELIVERED.

SO THAT IS THE BIG CHALLENGE.

HE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE HE IS NOT HIS OWN WORST ENEMY.

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO CARE HOW MANY TIMES HE INSULTED PEOPLE IF HE CAN GET WHAT HE PROMISED DONE.

>> BECAUSE OF DOING THAT, THAT IS MY QUESTION, HOW CAN HE POSSIBLY GET ANYTHING DONE?

IF I WERE MITCH McCONNELL, I WOULD HATE HIM, TOO.

I KNOW HIS POLL NUMBERS ARE REALLY LOW.

I KNOW THAT.

BUT HE IS NOT ENGAGING HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ENGAGING HE DID NOT HOST A TV REALITY SHOW AND HE IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ENGAGEK PERSONALITY HE IS A REAL LEGISLATOR.

HOW CAN YOU SPLIT THAT FACTOR OUT?

TO ME, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

>> HE IS A GROWN-UP.

CONGRESS HAS TO LEARN TO WORK WITH THE WHITE HOUSE OR ELSE THEY WILL HAVE BIG PROBLEMS NEXT YEAR.

>> AND I WORRY BECAUSE THOSE WHO OPPOSE TRUMP, WHICH I DO, THE QUESTIONS THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS ARE GETTING US STUCK TO WHERE IT BECOMES THE CENTER OF THE FOCUS AND WHAT LOST US THE ELECTIONS WHY WE LOST THE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE WE WERE STUNNED HOW IS HE GETTING THE NOMINATION?

AND HE HAS IT AND HAS SUPPORT AND I THINK HE HAS STRATEGY AND IF WE DON'T WAKE UP HE WILL WIN ANOTHER TERM AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IMPEACHMENT.

>> DO YOU THINK HIS BASE STUCK AROUND 35% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT HIM DO YOU THINK IT WILL GO DOWN?

OR CAN IT GO UP?

>> LEARNING FROM THE LAST ELECTION, FOR ME IT WAS ANOTHER 9/11 IT HIT ME LIKE A PUNCH IN THE STOMACH AND I LEARNED NOT TO TRUST THE POLLS WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP.

>> LET ME SAY WITH THIS I DO AGREE THAT 35% COULD FALL IF THOSE RESULTS ARE NOT THERE.

I BELIEVE THAT A BIG PART OF WHY PEOPLE SUPPORTED PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS THE IDEA THAT HE COULD KNOCK EVERYTHING DOWN AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.

AND SO IF THAT SORT OF MAKING THINGS HAPPEN DOESN'T HAPPEN, I THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE IN A WORLD OF TROUBLE.

>> UNLESS WE ARE FEEDING THEM THE REASON WHY IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

>> DO YOU THINK TAX REFORM IS GOING FORWARD?

HE LOST PRETTY MUCH THEY MAY MAKE AN ATTEMPT AT HEALTHCARE BUT FOR THE MOMENT IT'S DEAD.

WILL THEY DO TAXES?

WILL THEY DO IMMIGRATION?

THERE IS A BILL TO CUT -- BY TWO REPUBLICAN SENATORS, COTTON AND SOMEBODY PURDUE, AND WILL THOSE THINGS GET PASSED?

>> WELL, WE'LL FIND OUT NEXT MONTH.

IT WILL BE A WHALE OF A MONTH.

BUT I THINK IT WILL TELL US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW.

LOOK NOTHING HAS HAPPENED SO FAR AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT RELUCTANCE TO DO KUMBIYA.

AND IS THAT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN?

IT WAS NICELY HAPPENING FOR OPTICS FOR THESE MANY MONTHS BUT RIGHT NOW ALL THE BURDEN REALLY RESTS ON THE SHOULDERS OF PAUL RYAN AND MITCH McCONNELL THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AT THE TIME OF THIS TAPING AT THIS MOMENT I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS A WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL WHO TOLD US THE NBC REPORTER THAT THE WHITE HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE A PLAN FOR TAX REFORM THEY ARE LOOKING TO THE HILL.

DO NOT BOTHER US ANYMORE.

WE ARE LOOKING TO THE HILL TO LEAD AND THAT IS DANGEROUS.

THAT MEANS THE WHITE HOUSE HAS NOT GOT IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS AND WANT TO SHIFT THE BLAME.

AND THAT IS BAD FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANTED AS A REPUBLICAN.

I CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THIS PRESIDENT BUT I HAD BEEN HOPEFUL THAT PERHAPS HE HAD IDEAS.

PERHAPS ALL THE C.E.O.S COULD HAVE HELPED.

>> AND I KNOW THAT YOUR ORGANIZATION IS STEEPED IN TAX REFORM ISSUE.

WHAT DO YOU SEE COMING OUT?

>> I'M OPTIMISTIC.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED TO GET THIS DONE AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

SO I DON'T CONSIDER IT BAD NEWS IF THE HILL IS TAKING THE LEAD THAT IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO LEGISLATION IS SUPPOSED TO COME FROM THE HILL AND IF THE WHITE HOUSE GIVES THEM WIDE ENOUGH PARAMETERS AND DOES NOT LET THE PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD, TAX REFORM IS A POSSIBILITY.

>> THE BASE VOTED FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT HERE IS A C.E.O.

WITH DIFFERENT IDEAS ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE HILL ARE THE USUALS THE ESTABLISHMENT.

>> DELEGATING IS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HOPED HE COULD DO.

NOBODY THOUGHT HE WAS AN EXPERT IN TAX LAW AS LONG AS THEY MOVE FORWARD AND LOWER THE RATES AND SIMPLIFY IT IT COULD BE A WIN.

>> WILL THEY NEED DEMOCRATS TO GO ALONG WITH THEM OR WILL THE MAJORS BE ENOUGH?

>> MAJORITIES BE ENOUGH?

>> I THINK THAT IS AN OPEN QUESTION.

THE DEMOCRATS RUN A RISK NOBODY THINKS THAT THE TAX CODE IS GOOD THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE WASTE COMPLYING WITH IT AND THE WAY IT MAKES OUR COMPANIES LESS COMPETITIVE IT WOULD BEHOOVE DEMOCRATS TO GET ONBOARD.

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FROM TRUMP'S APPROVAL RATINGS TO CUTS IN FEDERAL FUNDING TEEN PREGNANCY PREVENTION PROGRAMS IN 39 STATES WILL LOSE FEDERAL FUNDING TWO YEARS BEFORE THEIR GRANTS WERE SUPPOSED TO LAST.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION RECENTLY CUT SHORT FUNDING THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN AWARDED AND CUT OFF THE LAST TWO YEARS OF MONEY ALREADY PROMISED.

THE CUTS AMOUNT TO SOME 200-MILLION DOLLARS.

THE PROGRAM TEEN PREGNANCY PREVENTION PROGRAM WAS CREATED IN 2010 UNDER FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA.

WHILE IT WAS OPERATING, TEEN PREGNANCY RATES DROP BY 55% COMPARED WITH THE EARLY 1990S.

IT ALSO CUT TEEN ABORTION RATES IN HALF.

THE GOVERNMENT WAS FUNDING GROUPS THAT WORK TO REDUCE AND PREVENT TEEN PREGNANCY WITH A FOCUS ON REACHING POPULATIONS WHERE TEEN PREGNANCY WAS HIGH.

A SPOKESMAN FOR HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SAID THE PROGRAM WAS CUT SHORT BECAUSE THERE IS LITTLE EVIDENCE OF POSITIVE IMPACT.

CRITICS BELIEVE THIS MAY SIGNAL THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO SHIFT ITS FOCUS TO ABSTINENCE-ONLY SEX EDUCATION.

EARLIER IN THE SHOW YOU TALKED ABOUT COMMON GROUND.

WHY IS THIS CONTINUING BATTLE OVER ABSTINENCE ONLY VERSUS REAL SEX EDUCATION GOING ON?

>> I DO NOT THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY INDICATION THAT THEY WILL BE REALLOCATING THIS MONEY FORWARDS -- TOWARDS ABSTINENCE ONLY BUT THIS IS ABOUT BUDGET CUTS.

THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SAY WE ARE IN A NATION IN TREMENDOUSLY IN DEBT WE NEED TO START DOING THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WHEN THIS IS SOMETHING THE STATES CAN DO.

AND ALSO, I THINK THE PREMISE OF THIS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA THAT WE ARE THROWING OUT THE NUMBERS FROM 1990 UNTIL TODAY THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS DROP IN TEEN PREGNANCY SAYING IT'S BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAMS THERE'S LITTLE TO SUGGEST THAT.

THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTE DID A STUDY SHOWING THE OTHER FACTORS THAT WERE AFFECTING THIS AND THEY CREDIT THINGS LIKE THE MTV'S 16 AND PREGNANT HAS HAVING THE GREATEST IMPACT.

AND THEN ON THE ECONOMY.

SO I THINK IT IS A REALLY BIG LEAP AMONG CRITICS TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO WE TAKE AWAY THIS FUNDING WE ARE GOING TO REVERSE THE PROGRESS.

THERE'S A LOT MORE GOING ON HERE.

>> I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLEXITY IN UNDERSTANDING TEEN PREGNANCY.

I MEAN ONE OF THE OTHER FACTORS THAT DID COME UP IS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE HAVING LESS SEX THAN OTHER PREVIOUS GENERATIONS.

SO THERE ARE, I THINK, A LOT OF FACTORS AND REALLY WELCOME NEWS IN THE FACT THAT TEEN PREGNANCY IS LOWER THAN IT HAS BEEN IN RECENT YEARS.

AND I DON'T KNOW AT THE MARGINS HOW MUCH THIS IS MATTERING.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 100 MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT TO AFFECT A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER.

WHETHER THAT IS IN FACT CHANGING THINGS, I DON'T KNOW.

I AM SOMEBODY WHO BELIEVES IN SEX EDUCATION.

I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE WIDELY AVAILABLE.

BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE DOING.

>> I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

[LAUGHTER] I AM A MILLENNIAL SO.

I BELIEVE IN GOING BACK TO THE FAMILY.

SEX ED IS BEST COMING FROM PARENTS OR A PARENT SAYING A SIBLING DO IT.

I BELIEVE IN THE FAMILY HAVING A LOT TO DO WITH PREVENTING TEEN PREGNANCIES.

IF THERE IS A STRONG FAMILY LIFE AND GOOD YOU KNOW, QUEUES ABOUT JUST WHAT IS AHEAD FOR GIRLS AND WOMEN AS A YOUNG WOMAN IF YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY AND HOPE AHEAD OF YOU THAT THERE'S SCHOOL AND A GREAT JOB COMING AND A GREAT PERSON COMING FROM YOU THAT WILL VALUE YOUR VIRGINITY OR LACK OF VIRGINITY, THE FACT THAT YOU'VE SAVED THE PREGNANCY FOR LATER AND ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF A CHILD, I THINK IT COMES FROM THE HOME.

IT STEMS FROM HOME LIFE.

AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD TAKE A BIT OF A BACKSEAT.

I BELIEVE IN RESOURCES BEING AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO PERHAPS DO NOT HAVE A STRONG FAMILY LIFE AND A STRONG SAFETY NET.

BUT I JUST REALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUT ALL THE FOCUS ON GOVERNMENT.

>> I THINK IT MAKES SENSE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT.

BUT AS YOU KNOW I'M STUDYING TO BE A SEX COACH AND THE REASON WHY I'M LAUNCHING THE BUSINESS ACROSS RED LINES I SAW A TIE BETWEEN WOMEN'S SEXUALITY AND LEADERSHIP.

WE ARE LOOKING AT SEX EDUCATION JUST AS PREVENTING TEENAGE PREGNANCY WHEN IT IS ABOUT EMPOWERMENT.

AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO REALLY UNDERSTANDING THEIR SEXUALITY ESPECIALLY FROM A YOUNG AGE IT CAN BE TURNED INTO A SOURCE OF POWER.

SO THAT IS WHAT WORRIES ME WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT FROM THE LENS OF PREVENTING TEENAGE PREGNANCY WE ARE LOSING THE POWER THAT COMES FROM SEX EDUCATION WHICH I DO NOT THINK WE ARE GETTING ENOUGH OF.

>> FABULOUS POINT.

AND HOW MANY PARENTS ARE CAPABLE OF CONVEYING THAT WHEN THEY TEACH THEIR CHILDREN ABOUT -- >> WITHIN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY WHEN I STARTED RUNNING FOCUS GROUPS ALMOST ALL THE OLDER WOMEN WERE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO BE MENTORS WE WANT TO SIGN UP FOR YOUR COURSE.

I DO NOT THINK -- I THINK THAT IS WHERE YOU WILL FIND COMMON GROUND BETWEEN THE GENERATIONS.

BOTH THE YOUTH AND THE OLDER GENERATION WOULD WELCOME PROPER SEX EDUCATION FROM AN EMPOWERMENT LENS NOT JUST A REPRODUCTIVE LENS.

>> TELL US A LITTLE MORE WHAT YOU MEAN BY FROM AN EMPOWERMENT LENS?

>> I SEE PARTICULARLY IF I LOOK AT IT FROM THE FEMININE AND WOMEN'S SEXUALITY IT IS A COMPASS THAT IS HOW YOU BUILD YOUR INTUITION NOT HAVING SEX BUT UNDERSTANDING YOUR SEXUAL ENERGY AND THE POWER FROM SEXUALITY AND WOMEN, IT'S LITERALLY HOW YOU BUILD YOUR INTUITION IT IS A BUILT IN GPS SYSTEM.

WHEN OUR SOCIETIES TEACH US TO REPRESS, I GOT A DOUBLE WHAMMY.

AND WHAT WE ARE TAUGHT IS SACRIFICE AND WHAT WE ARE TAUGHT AND BASICALLY WHAT YOU DO YOU SHUTDOWN YOUR FEELINGS AND SHUTDOWN YOUR GPS SYSTEM.

WHAT I TRAIN WOMEN TO DO IS GET BACK IN TOUCH WITH THAT WITH THE SENSUAL WITH THE SMELL AND THE SEXUAL IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU ARE HAVING SEX.

BUT REALLY GET IN TOUCH WITH YOUR SEXUAL ENERGY AND TURN ON THE GPS SYSTEM THAT WILL GUIDE YOU THROUGH LIFE.

FROM TEEN PREGNANCY PROGRAMS TO GIRLS VERSUS BOY SCOUTS.

SHOULD GIRLS BE ABLE TO JOIN THE BOY SCOUTS?

ONE MIGHT SEE IT AS A SIGN OF EQUALITY.

BUT THE GIRL SCOUTS OF AMERICA DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.

GIRL SCOUTS OFFICIALS CHARGE THE BOY SCOUTS ARE EXPLORING THAT PROSPECT SURREPTITIOUSLY.

MEMBERSHIP IN BOTH SCOUTING ORGANIZATIONS HAS TAKEN A HIT OVER THE PAST DECADE.

BUT THE BOY SCOUTS SAID IN A STATEMENT TO THE WASHINGTON POST, CONSIDERING INCLUDING GIRLS IS NOT ABOUT BOOSTING THEIR NUMBERS; IT'S IN RESPONSE TO FAMILIES SAYING THEY WANT THEIR DAUGHTERS IN THE SAME ORGANIZATION WITH THEIR SONS.

SOME WOMEN NOT INVOLVED WITH THE GIRL SCOUTS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ACTIVELY LOBBYING THE BOY SCOUTS TO INCLUDE GIRLS.

SO IS IT A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE IT INTO ONE ORGANIZATION?

>> I LOVE THIS IDEA.

I GROUP UP WITH A BROTHER IN THE BOY SCOUTS AND WE DID NOT HAVE A STRONG GIRL SCOUTS ORGANIZATION IN MY COMMUNITY.

AND I WASN'T PART OF IT.

I KEPT ON WITH MY OTHER SIDE ACTIVITIES WHILE MY BROTHER GOT TO DO THOSE ACTIVITIES.

AND I THINK JUST AS A GAL WHO LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT SCOUTING, I WAS DRAWN TO IT I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF IT.

I THINK IT'S COOL ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.

BROTHERS AND SISTERS GET TO LEARN THE PRINCIPLES TOGETHER.

I LOVE IT.

>> I THINK THOUGH THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ROOM FOR AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT.

IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE A SCOUTING COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE FOR BOTH SEXES.

BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOMETHING VALUABLE.

WE HAVE LOST IN THIS IDEA OF HAVING BOYS BE AMONG OTHER BOYS THAT WE RECOGNIZE MUCH MORE THAT THERE'S NEED FOR WOMEN TO SOMETIMES JUST BE AROUND WOMEN AND IT IS A VALUABLE COMMUNITY AND WE WOMEN WE KNOW WE GET A LOT NOT HAVING THE DISTRACTION OF MEN AROUND.

AND WE HAVE TO ALLOW THERE TO BE SPACES.

LIKE MEN'S COLLEGES ARE GOING THE WAY OF THE DO DO, I WORRY ABOUT THE IDEA OF KILLING OFF THE BOY SCOUTS OR MAKING IT ANOTHER THINGS THAT BOYS AND GIRLS ARE DOING TOGETHER.

>> I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I WAS INVITED TO A LOCAL CHAPTER ANNUAL DINNER OF THE GIRL SCOUTS.

SO THEY PUT ON A BIG SHOW BECAUSE I GUESS THE AUDIENCE WAS FULL OF FUNDERS.

AND THE EMPOWERMENT MESSAGE THAT WAS GIVEN THERE AND THE FOCUS ON HOW GIRLS PRETEEN GIRLS AND TEENAGE GIRLS, ESPECIALLY START TO LOSE SELF-ESTEEM AND TRYING TO BUILD THAT BACK IN.

THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WOULD HAPPEN IN A CO-ED ORGANIZATION.

OR FOR SURE, IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN THE BOY SCOUTS.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE LOST?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS BUT ESPECIALLY ABOUT PROTECTING WOMEN'S SPACE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS FOR BOTH GENDERS WE HAVE TO BE CREATIVE TO THINK HOW WE INCORPORATE LGBT AND TRANSGENDER AND OFFERING PROTECTED SPACE IS ESSENTIAL AND IT ALLOWS FOR PEOPLE TO STEP INTO THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL POWER.

WHEN I READ THAT, I WORRY ABOUT WHAT WILL BE LOST.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, I AGREE.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS SO INTERESTING ABOUT WOMEN AND THEIR DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY ARE YOUNG GIRLS MANY OF THEM DO ASPIRE TO BE POLITICIANS AND IN FACT BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND BY THE TIME YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY COMPLETED HIGH SCHOOL THEY SEE THEMSELVES AS IT'S NOT FOR THEM.

SO I DO THINK AND WE DO TALK A LOT IN POLITICAL SCIENCE ABOUT THE AMBITION GAP AMONG WOMEN.

AND IT REALLY IS THIS SORT OF NEED TO BE ACCEPTED BY OTHER MEN.

SO I WORRY THAT IF THERE -- >> IS THAT WHAT IT'S ABOUT?

>> A LOT OF IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH WOMEN WHEN THEY ARE YOUNG TEND TO MAKE DECISIONS AND BEHAVE IN WAYS THEY BELIEVE MEN WILL APPROVE OF.

SO THEY CALL IT THE MALE GAZE AND THERE IS A LOT OF ACTUALLY ACADEMIC FOCUS ON IT EVEN WHEN THERE ARE NOT MEN IN THE ROOM WOMEN SEEM TO IMAGINE WHAT A MAN WOULD SAY ABOUT THEIR BEHAVIOR.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE IS A FAMOUS QUOTE ABOUT THE FACT THAT WOMEN ARE THE ONLY CONSTITUENCY OR DEMOGRAPHIC THAT GETS MORE RADICAL WITH AGE.

>> I ASKED SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN SLUT SHAMED, I'VE BEEN A VICTIM OF SLUT SHAMING I DO NOT GOING TO GROUPS OF GIRLS BECAUSE I FIND THEM VICIOUS AND TRUE IN MY ADOLESCENT YEARS AND I AM A STRONG WOMAN.

>> BUT YOU DO A LOT WITH WOMEN.

>> BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BECAUSE I'M OLDER AND BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE GREATER GOOD, TOO.

BUT YOUNGER I STAYED AWAY IF GIRLS BECAUSE I WAS DIFFERENT.

AND I LIKED HANGING OUT WITH THE GUYS.

AND I WANTED TO DO SOME THINGS THAT GUYS DID.

I WANTED TO GO TO KARATE WITH MY BROTHER.

AND SO DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPENED AND I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND PROTECTIVE SPACES BUT SOMETIMES WOMEN'S GROUPS AT CERTAIN AGES ARE MORE DETRIMENTAL TO PSYCHES.

>> INTERESTING.

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