
Trump Immunity, Fake Elector Indictment, Kathleen Winn
Season 2024 Episode 84 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
Trump's criminal immunity. Kris Mayes indictment. Kathleen Winn.
On Thursday, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in former President Donald Trump’s historic bid for criminal immunity. A grand jury has charged 11 Arizona Republicans and seven former aides to Donald Trump in a scheme to keep Trump in the White House by falsely certifying he won the state in 2020. Kathleen Winn’s candidacy.
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Trump Immunity, Fake Elector Indictment, Kathleen Winn
Season 2024 Episode 84 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
On Thursday, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in former President Donald Trump’s historic bid for criminal immunity. A grand jury has charged 11 Arizona Republicans and seven former aides to Donald Trump in a scheme to keep Trump in the White House by falsely certifying he won the state in 2020. Kathleen Winn’s candidacy.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> COMING UP NEXT ON HORIZONTAL INDICTMENTS AGAINST FAKE ELECTORS AND 7 OTHERS IN THE SCHEME TO OVER TURN THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
>> THE SUPREME COURT HEARS IMMUNITY FOR ANY CRIME TRUMP DID AS PRESIDENT.
>> AND A REPUBLICAN FOR ARIZONA'S SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.
THOSE STORYIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.
>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON I'M TED SIMONS.
ARIZONA AND THE NATION REACT TO YESTERDAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT THAT A STATE JURY INDICTED 11 REPUBLICAN ARE FAKE ELECTORS AND 7 OTHER TRUMP SFPTERS ON CHARGES THE GROUP CONSPIRED TO KEEP TRUMP IN OFFICE DESPITE HIM LOSING THE 2020 ELECTION.
REACTION FROM GOVERNOR KATIE HOBBS.
>> I'M CONFIDENT THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL GENERAL MAYES CONDUCTED A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL PROCESS.
NOW THEY WILL DO THE JOB.
THE ALLEGED ACTIONS OF THESE EXTREMISTS ARE SHAMEFUL.
THEY UNDER MINE THE ELECTION PROCESS IN OUR STATE.
AND I HOPE TO SEE THEM HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
>> AMONG THOSE INDICTED 2 STATE SENATORS ONE RUN FOR EXAMPLE CONGRESSFUL FORMER CHAIR OF THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HER HUSBAND AND FORMER OFFICIALS IN COCHISE AND GILA COUNTY ALL ININDICTED FOR FRAUD.
>> ARIZONA'S ELECTION WAS FREE AND FAIR.
THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA ELECTED PRESIDENT BIDEN.
UNWILLING TO ACCEPT THE DEFENDANTS CHARGED BY THE STATE GRAND JURY ALLEGEDLY SCHEMEED PREVENT THE LAWFUL TRANSFER OF PRESIDENCY WHATEVER THE REASONING WAS, THE PLOT TO VIOLATE THE LAW MUST BE ANSWERED AND I WAS ELECTED TO UPHOLD THE LAW OF THIS STATE.
>> THE 7 TRUMP SUPPORTERS NOT NAMED INCLUDE FORMER TRUMP ATTORNEY GUILIANI.
MARK MEADOWS AND EPSHTEEN AN AID AND TRUMP CLOSEST ADVISORS.
THE COURT DECIDE WLOO HE IS ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY.
TRUMP SAYS HE IS.
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DISAGREES THE COURT'S MAJORITY SEEMED OPEN TO ENDORSING SOME ARGUMENT.
NOT SONIA SOTOMAYOR WHO QUESTIONED TRUMP'S ATTORNEY IN WHICH A FORMER PRESIDENT ATTEMPTED A COUP WHILE IN OFFICE >> SAY THIS PRESIDENT WHO ORDERED THE MILITARY TO STAGE A COUP.
HE COULD NOT BE IMPEACHED HE ORDERED THE MITT TO STAGE A COUP YOU SAY THAT IS AN OFFICIAL ACT.
>> IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE CIRCUMSTANCE FIST AN OFFICIAL ACT.
>> WHAT IT WOULD DEPENDS ON THE S. HE WAS THE PRESIDENT.
HE IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
HE TALKS TO HIS GENERALS ALL THE TIME AND COLD THE GENERALS I DON'T FEEL LEAVING I WANT TO STAGE A COUP IS THAT IMMUNE >> IT IS OFFICIAL THERE NEED TO BE IMPEACHMENT BEFORE THE FRAMERS VIEWED THE THAT -- >> IT IS AN UNOFFICIAL ACT?
>> IT IS AN OFFICIAL ACT >> IS IT.
>> ON THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED THAT, IT COULD WELL BE.
>> THE JUSTICES APPEARED LIKELY TO ADDRESS ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY THE COURT MAY SEND IT BACK BEFORE A TRIAL BEGINS.
MEANING TRUMP'S TRIAL FOR ATTEMPT TO OVER TURN THE 2020 ELECTION MAY NOT TAKE PLACE BEFORE NOVEMBER'S ELECTION >> U.S. ECONOMY SLOWED MORE THAN EXPECTED IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR.
REPORTS THE GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT GREW BY 1.6% THE WEAKEST IN 2 YEARS AND SLOWER THAN 3.4 RATE THAT CLOSED OUT LAST YEAR.
THE COOLING COMPANY BODES WELL FOR INTEREST RATES BUT NO RUSH TO MAKE THE RATE CUTS.
>> AS WE MENTIONED THE ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL ANNOUNCED A GRAND JURY INDICTED 7 FAKE ELECTORS FOR CONSPIRE TO OVER TURN TRUMP'S LAW IN THE 2020 ELECTION.
TO HELP WELCOME LORI HERRERA.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
YOU HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.
GET STARTED.
WHY THESE INDICTMENTS NOW?
WHY NOT SOONER?
>> YOU HAVE BEEN I THINK MOST OF US IN THE LEGAL AND POLITICAL COMMUNITY KNEW THE INDICTMENTS WOULD COME.
THERE IS CONCERN AND CRITICISM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS TAKING LONGER THAN THE ONES IN OTHER STATES THERE IS A GOOD EXPLANATION FOR THAT.
ONE IS KRIS MAYES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS JUST ELECTED SHE WAS BEHIND COMPARED TO OTHER ATTORNEY GENERALS BEFORE.
AND WE KNOW THAT FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL DID NOT INVESTIGATE THIS SHE WAS STARTING FROM SCRATCH AND DESCRIBED WHY IT TOOK LONGER >> CONSPIRACY AND FRAUD AND FORGERY.
WHY THESE CHARGES AGAINST THESE FOLKS >> IT TRACKS MOSTLY TO THE GEORGIA INDICTMENT.
I MEAN THAT WE HAD A NUMBER OF STATES THAT ININDICTED THE FAKE ELECTORS AND STATES.
LIKE IN GA GARBING THE INDICTMENT INCLUDES A DEFENDANT'S NOT JUST THE 11 BUT ADDITIONAL CODEFENDS.
YOU MENTIONED THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE ARE REDALLAS COUNTIED.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE CHARGES.
WE HAVE SENSE GIVEN IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE INDICTMENTS, CLUES ON WHO THESE ADDITIONAL CODEFENDANTS ARE.
WHAT IT SUGGESTS BROADER CONSPIRACY INCLUDING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN MIGHT HAVE BEEN INDICTED HERE WITH THE FAKE ELECTORS >> DEPRIDE VOTERS OF RIGHT TO VOTE AND HAVING VOTES COUNTED BECAUSE, THEY JUST BASICALLY SAID, NO, YOU ARE NOT THE ONES WE ARE THE ONES.
>> WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
BEING A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTOR IN AN OFFICIAL POSITION THE CERTIFICATION YOU SENDS TO CONGRESS EVERYTHING THAT JANUARY 6 IS ALL OFFICIAL TEMPERATURE IS AN OFFICIAL ROLE AND WHAT THEY DECIDED IS IMPERSONATE THE ACTUAL ELECTORS THE LIEUY ELECTED ELECTORS FROM THE STATE AND IMPERSONATE AND FORGE THE DOCUMENT THEY WERE THE ELECTORS SHOULD HAVE VOTES COUNTED.
THAT'S WHY WE GET FORGERY AND FRAUD CLAIMS THEY PROPORTED TO BE THE PEOPLE THEY ARE NOT AND HAVE AUTHORITY IN WAYS THEY DON'T >> WE THINK WE KNOW WHO THE UPON 7 OTHERS ARE THEY ARE UNINDICTD AND TRUMP IS NUMBER ONE.
I THINK KEN ETHWHO GAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO FOLK IN DIFFERENT STATES.
WHY WERE THEY NOT INDICTED?
>> INTERESTING QUESTION.
WE DON'T KNOW YET.
DAN, WE HAVE A SENSE FROM THE INDICTMENT ABOUT WHAT THE GENERAL THEORY OF THE CASE IS AND WHAT EVIDENCE THEY MAY HAVE.
WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL STORY OF THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THE GRAND JURY.
FULL STORY WHEN THE AG WILL PRESENT IN TRIAL.
FOR SOME COULD BE THEY DECIDE NOT TO INDICT FOR OTHERS THEY DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE.
>> WHAT DID UNINDICTED COCONSPIRATOR MEAN >> THE PERSON PLAYED A ROLE HERE.
THE OBVIOUS ONE IS TRUMP.
THERE IS A DEDUCTION THIS COULD BE ANOTHER COULD BE FORMER ELECTED OFFICIALS.
YOU THAN IS ANOTHER GUESS AND I THINK IT IS GOOD.
COULD BE PEOPLE INVOLVED BUT THE AG OR GRAND JURY MAY HAVE BEEN DECIDED THEY DID NOT WANT TO GO FORWARD AND MAY BE THE CO-CONSPIRATORS WERE COOPERATING.
>> NEXT, WHAT FIRST OF ALL WHAT IS THEIR DEFENSE AND I MEAN THIS LOOKS RIGHT FOR PLEA AGREEMENTSUM, DOWN AND SIDE WAYS?
>> ON THAT POINT I THINK THE STRATEGIES ON PROSECUTION WILL GET THE DEFENDANTS OR COCONSPIRATORS TO FLIP AND TESTIFYING AGAINST DEFENDANTS.
AND WE SEEN THIS IN OTHER STATE IN GEORGIA A NUMBER OF THE INDICTED INDIVIDUALS PLEAD GUILT AND HE PROVIDE TESTIMONY AGAINST OTHERS IN THE CONCONSPIRACY I IMAGINE THEY WILL DO THAT HERE.
AS FAR AS WHAT THE DEFENSE LOOKS LIKE.
TELL BE INTERESTING IT SEEMINGLY IS SOMETHING TO THE AFFECT THAT THESE ACTIONS YOU KNOW BECOME THE ELECTORS SENDING THE CERTIFICATION TO CONGRESS.
WAS DONE ON A CONSTINGANCEY.
THE IDEA, WE THOUGHT THAT CONGRESS WAS GOING TO OVER TURN THE RESULT OF THE ELECTION AND SELECT US AND WE WERE NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL WE WERE IN PLACE IN CASE CONGRESS DECIDED TO ACT >> THERE IS NO EVIDENCE.
OTHER STATE ELECTORS THEY DID PUT THAT IN WRITING IN WAY THAT IS THERE EVIDENCE IN ARIZONA.
>> NOT THAT WE HAVE SEEN.
EVERY DIFFICULT GET THEIR DAY IN COURT AS THEY ARE ENTITLED TO.
WE DON'T KNOW AM BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT REPORTED.
I THINK THAT WILL BE A HARD ARGUMENT TO MAKE IN FRONT OF A JURY.
THIS WILL GO IN FRONT OF A JURY OF OUR PEERS IN ARIZONA.
AND THEY WILL BE THE ONES TO DECIDE.
>> WHAT ABOUT DEFENSE OF IGNORANCE I HAD BAD LEGAL ADVICE FROM OTHER PEOPLE INDICTED OR MY ATTORNEY.
OR THESE.
I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A CON -- THOSE -- I AGAIN, I'M HEARING ALOMENT OF KRIS MAYES IS WEAPON IEGZ THE ATTORNEY'S GENERAL OFFICE.
>> I DON'T THINK SO TO THE OTLAST PIECE THE CRITICISM OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WEAPON IEGZ THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU TRY TO GET SYMPATHY FROM THE JURY YOU BRING THAT UP TO HIM.
WE HAVE JURY NULLIFICATION IF A JURY IGNORES THE EVIDENCE YOU GET A HUNG JURY IN THAT WAY.
TELL BE DIFFICULT, TO YOUR POINT YOU THINK TELL BE HARD WHEN YOU KNOW WE THAN THERE IS A MEETING OR SERIES OF MIDDLE EASTINGS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO DECIDED TO TAKE ON THIS ROLE.
THEY SIGNED A DOCUMENT THAT DOCUMENT WAS SENT OFF TO WASHINGTON.
AND I THINK TELL BE HARD FOR THEM TO EXPLAIN AND PUT THE BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE >> WHAT IS NEXT IN ALL THIS.
>> NOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS ALL OF THE DEFENDANTS LOOKING FOR LARCENY, OBVIOUSLY.
I THINK THERE WILL PROBABLY BE NEGOTIATION ABOUT THE FOLKS INITIAL UPON APPEARANCES THEY NEED TO MAKE AN APPEARANCE IN COURT.
HAVE THE CHARGES READ AGAINST THEM.
PLEAD NOT GUILTY.
SO ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO GET WORKED OUT SXOON WE WILL SEE THE DEFENDANTS GOING IN COURT.
WE'LL SEE THE REDACTED NAMES OF CODEFENDANTS RELEASE.
WE'LL GET A SENSE WHEN THEY ARE AS WELL.
>> CAN YOU STICK AROUND >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> WE WILL ASK HIM TO STAY WITH US AS WE LOOK AT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT HEARING ARGUMENTS ON TRUMP'S CLAIM OF INMUNICIPALITY FOR ACTIONS WHILE IN OFFICE.
>> U.S.
SPORT HEARD ARGUMENTS BID FOR CRIMINAL IMMUNITY AND WHETHER OR NOT TRIED ON CRIMINAL CHARGES HE CONSPIREED OVER TURN THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 LIKE.
WE WELCOME BACK FORMERUS ASSISTANT ATTORNEY FROM HERRERA LLP.
WE ASKED TO YOU STICK AROUND.
THIS IS BIG STUFF.
AND -- IS THE SPORT MOVING FAST?
OR IS IT NOT MOVING FAST ENOUGH FOR THE PROSECUTION.
THE TIMING OF THIS IS AT PLAY.
>> IT IS SOMEWHAT DEPENDS WHEN THEY DECIDE TO DO AFTER TODAY.
THAN I COULD MAKE A DECISION THAT WILL TELL THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR.
STEP BACK AT THE SUPREME COURT BECAUSE THERE IS AN UNDER LYING CRIMINAL PROSECUTION.
HE IS ARGUING HE HAD A FORM OF IMMUNITY FROM PROSECUTION BECAUSE HE WAS PRESIDENT.
SO IF THE SUPREME COURT SAYS, WELL, FORMY PRESIDENT AS IMMUNITY THIS MAKES THE CASE GO AWAY WHAT IS LIKELY IS THE SUPREME COURT WILL KICK IT BACK DOWN TO THE TRIAL COURT THERE IS IMMUNITY BUT HAVE THE TRIAL COURT FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT WILL DELAY THE PROSECUTION WE'LL NOT GET A TRIAL THIS YEAR AT ALL >> THAT WILL BE A WIN FOR TRUMP.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
PART OF HIS STRATEGY IN ALL 4 PROSECUTIONS HAS BEEN TO DELAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
TO DELAY PAST THE ELECTION.
AGAIN.
AND IF HE WINS THE ELECTION HE CAN TELL THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT YOU ARE DROPPING THE CASE YOOCHL THAT'S WHAT PEEP EXPECT INSTALL AN ATTORNEY GENERAL TO ORDER THE PROSECUTOR TO STOP PROSECUTION.
>> THE IDEA DOES AN EXPRESIDENT HAVE IMMUNITY THIS .
HAS NEVER BEEN APPROACHED BEFORE?
>> IT HAS NOT.
THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY CASE WHAT WE ARE THINK BURGLAR HERE AND TALKING ABOUT HERE IS FOR A PRESIDENT WHO HAS CERTAIN CONDUCT IN OFFICE, DOES HE HAVE CRIMINAL IMMUNITY FOR HIS LIFE FOR THE ACTIONS?
WE SAW TODAY THE JUSTICES SEEMED TOMENT TO DECIDE TO GRANT SOME VERSION OF IMMUNITY FOR THE ACTIONS OF A PRESIDENT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THAT.
MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT WHAT IS AN OFFICIAL ACT VERSUS A PRIVATE ACT THE JUSTICES THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE CRIMINAL IMMUNITY FOR OFFICIAL ACTS NOT PRIVATE ONCE.
DEVIL IN DETAIL WHAT IS IS AN OFFICIAL ACT AND PRIVATE THAT'S WHEN THEY ARGUED ABOUT TODAY.
>> AND GENERAL FORD PARDONS NIXON.
THE FACT HE FELT THE NEED TO PARDON NICCON NIXON WOULD HAVE FAILED A CRIMINAL TRIAL ALONG THE LINE.
SUGGESTS THAT DOES THAT NOT SUGGEST EVERYONE HAS ASSUMED AND TAKEN AS DE FACTO LAW THAT YOU CAN BE -- ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT?
>> THE LIBERAL JUSTICES WERE ARGUING AN INTERESTING DIFFERENCE IN PHILOSOPHY ON THE EFFECTIVE OF IMMUNITY THE LIBERAL JUSTICES LOOKED TO SAY IF YOU GIVE IT TO PRESIDENTS AND THEY THAN THEY WILL NEVER BE PROSECUTED FOR ACTIONS THAT WILL ENCOURAGE THEM ON DO THINGS ILLEGAL AND MISCONDUCT THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH AT THIS TIME.
CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES TOOK THE OPPOSITE VIEW IF WE DON'T GIVE PEOPLE IMMUNITY AND PROSECUTED AFTER THEY LEAVE THAT WILL ENCOURAGE MISCONDUCT THEY THAN THEIR OPPONENTS WILL COME AFTER, AFTER THEY LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> DIFFERENT VOWOS WHAT IMMUNITY MEANS >> NOT ONLY POLITICAL OSHG PONENTSES ANYONE WHO FELT LIKE THEY WERE WRONGED OR THAT ADMINISTRATION GOING AFTER THAT PRESIDENT?
>> THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT TRUMP'S LAWYER MADE IT IS FAIR TO GRANT THIS IMMUNITY.
AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE DEGREE.
TRUMP'S LAWYER ASKING FOR ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY DID NOT MATTER PRIVATE OR OFFICIAL ACT.
>> DRAW A LINE OR A PRESIDENTIAL COUP.
>> ABSOLUTE.
WHAT IF THE PRESIDENT DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE OFFICE.
AND WOULD THAT BE AN OFFICIAL ACT IN WHICH THERE WILL BE IMMUNITY THE TRUMP LAWYER SAYS YES IT WOULD BE AN OFFICIAL ACT AND UNDER HIS THEORY OF THE CASE WOULD BE IMMUNE FROM ANYTHING LATER OF >> AS LONG AS NOT IMPEACHED FIRST?
>> YES >> QUICKLY WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, DO YOU THINK THE COURTS WILL MOVE QUICKEE?
ARE THEY SLOW WALKING THIS THING?
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF THEORIES THE COVER SERVE TIFS BLOCKING THIS ON PURPOSE THEY WANT THE TRIAL TO TAKE PLACE LATER ON.
WHAT IS MOST LIKELY, THERE ARE DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT WHAT ACTS ARE YOU KNOW WHAT IMMUNITY AND HOW FAR IT APPLIES.
SPORT WILL KICK IT BACK TO TRIAL COURT AND HAVE THE TRIAL COURT DECIDES OF COURSE WHEN THEY DECIDE, THAT WILL GET APPEALD AND BACK TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT FURTHER >> WE'LL ASK YOU BACK.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOST OF COCHISE AND GRAHAM COUNT TEIS REPRESENTED BY REPUBLICAN RONNING CISCOMANI IN THE PRIMARY.
CISCOMANI DID NOT RESPOND TO OUR INVITATIONS TO APPEAR AND SO.
WE SAT DOWN WITH CATHLISTEN WIN TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES.
>> CATHLISTEN WIN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON HORIZONTAL HERE WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
START WITH WHY YOU WERE CHALLENGING AN UPON REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT?
>> I RAN LAST SXIEL 5 IN THE RACE AND I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS MAN WOULD VOTE.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH RESIDENCE HE IS VOTING ALMOST 60% OF THE TIME WITH DEMOCRATS.
I BELIEVE HIS POSITIONS DON'T REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF OUR DISTRICT.
AND SO I'M CHALLENGE INGING >> THOSE OTHER 2 HOT ISSUES FOR NUS OUR DISTRICT >> TALK ABOUT THE BOARD AND THE BIPARTISAN PLAN THAT WAS THERE AND ON THE TABLE AND WAS NOT PERFECT BUT THERE, THAT WAS REJECTED.
WOULD YOU HAVE REJECTED THAT PLAN.
>> TO BE FAIR I HAVE NOT I WOULD TELL YOU I LOVE AN EFFORT TO SECURE THE BORDER WE HAVE TO TAKE OPERATIONAL CONTROL AND IF THERE WAS A PLAN FOR DEPORTATION THIS IS THE BIG THING TO IDENTIFY WHO IS HERE ILLEGALLY AND WE HAVE OVER 10 MILLION THAT SHOULD NOT BE HERE.
>> IF THAT WAS PART OF THAT I WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
>> AND I THINK THAT THE BIGGEST ASSPEKTS OF THIS BEING REJECTED AMONG REPUBLICANS THERE WAS A DEAL HAMERED THE THE MINUTE TRUMP SAID NO DON'T GIVE BIDEN THE VICTORY IT IS OVER.
IS THAT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON FOR LEGISLATION TO BE REJECTED.
LEGISLATION HAS TO STAND ON ITS OWN FACE.
IT IS GREAT FOR OTHER PEOPLE THE FORMY PRESIDENT OR BIDEN TO GIVE THEIR OPINIONS.
IF YOU ARE THEIR REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO AND EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHY YOU ARE VOTING FOR SOMETHING OR AGAINST IT.
THAT'S WHERE THIS IS FALLING DOWN.
PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THEY WANT TO SECURE IT BUT ACTIONS ARE NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH DOING THAT.
HOW DO YOU DEFINE A SECURE BORDER?
>> WE DON'T HAVE OPERATIONAL CONTROL.
I TALKED TO SHERIFF'S ON THE WAY UP TODAY FROM TUCSON AND THE CARTEL HAS CONTROL OF THE BORDER THEY ARE RUNG FENTANYL AND DRUGS HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
HIGH SPEED CHASES A ROLL OVER IN TUCSON LAST NIGHT.
THE CRIME IS THE WORSE IN THE TUCSON SECTOR IN THE COUNTRY.
SO, WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL.
AND WE NEED TO SECURE THE BORDER.
BUT ALSO NEED TO TAKE AND DISMANUAL THE CARTELS AND OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF CRIMINAL SURPRISES OPERATING.
GI WANT TO GET TO ABORTION WHETHER YOU THINK CONGRESS SHOULD ACT IN ANY WAY ON ABORTION AND ABORTION RIGHTS?
>> ROE V WADE WAS OVER TURND AND REVERTED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LAW.
BALLOT MEASURE IS COMING UP THAT MANDATES YOU KNOW -- LATE TERM ABORTION.
I THINK WE HAVE EDUCATION.
BUT NOW IT IS BACK TO THE STATES.
I WOULD NOT I WOULD THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LEGALLY AND I WOULD WANT TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
I'M PROLIFE BUT YOU HAVE TO FWHANS WITH EVERYTHING ELSE >> WE SHOULD CORRECT DOES NOT MANDATE BUT ALLOWS THEM IF A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL.
>> THAT SAID THE QUESTION IS CONGRESS.
YOU WANT TO BE IN CONGRESS.
>> YES.
>> AND YOU ARE AGREE WITH TRUMP THEN THAT LEAVE IT ASCOMPLOEN LET THE STATES DECIDE.
>> I BELIEVE THAT IS THE LAST ROWEL TO TURN IT BECOME TO THE STATES.
AND I TRUSTED THE SUPREME COURT WHEN THEY MADE THAT RULING KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING, FOR ME TO CHALLENGE THE SUPREME COURT RULING IS NOT WHERE I WANT TO START MY TIME IN CONGRESS >> IF YOUR TIME IN CONGRESS INVOLVED THE SPEAKERSHIP.
RESIDENCE REGAINED CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND SPEAKER DOES NOT DO WHAT YOUMENT.
IT IS CLOSE TO CHAOS AS FAR AS SPEAKERS WERE CONCERNED >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT.
DOING WHAT I WANT IS NOT A STANDARD.
YOU CAN'T -- DO THAT BUT WHEN YOU PROMISE AS A SPEAKER AND YOU COME TO AGREEMENT WITH YOUR CAUCUS AND YOU TURN AROUND AND DON'T DOM THAT AND SIDE WITH THE DEMOCRATS WHAT HAPPENED TO KEVIN MCCARTHY.
WORKED OUT THINGS AND WENT EXACTLY AGAINST THAT.
AND HE WAS REMOVED FOR THAT REASON.
WHAT IS HAPPEN TO MIKE JOHNSON, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS SOME OF THAT GOING ON, TOO.
I'M DISAPPOINTED.
HE THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY OF VOTES GETTING SMALLER.
THEY COULD HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
ONE THING THEY COULD HAVE DIDN'T POWER OF THE PURSE THEY COULD HAVE MADE SURE WE SECURED THE BORDER BEFORE THEY GAVE OTHER SPENDING THAT'S WHAT I WAS MOST DISAPPOINTED ABOUT.
JOT BIPARTISAN DEAL WOULD ALLOW FOR SPENDS NOTHING UKRAINE AND ISREAL AND GETTING THE BORDER SECURE.
QUESTION WOULD BE AND FOR VOTERS REPUBLICAN VOTERS PRIMARILY, FIRST.
DO THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO CAN COMPROMISE OR WANT SOMEONE WHO SAYS, IT IS BLACK OR WHITE AND MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY >> I'M NOT A MY WAY PERSON.
WHATEVER FACTS AND THE ISSUES WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM.
WE DON'T DO A LOT OF THAT.
I AM GUIDE BY MY OWN CHRISTIAN.
WE HAVE LAWLESSNESS.
CHAOS.
WE HAVE CRIMINAL AND NOT TAKING CARE OF IT.
I THINK THAT WHATEVER WE DO, WE HAVE TO RESTORE ORDER TO OUR COULD YOU WANT RYE.
>> BEFORE WE GO, I HAVE TO ASK YOU THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ON CAPITOL HILL NOT A LOT IS GETTING DONE IT IS AN UNPRODUCTIVE COURT AND JURY.
A LOT IS BLAMED ON MAGASM ARE YOU MAGA?
>> I AM A CONSERVATIVE.
I MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN?
I SAY I LEAN WITH THE FREEDOM CAUCUS.
MY PREFERRED CONGRESS MAN ANDY BIGS.
AND PALM.
I LIKE JIM JORDAN THOSE OTHER GUYS AND IT WAS -- AND I WOULD ALINE MORE WITH THEIR THINKING I'M NOT A MAJORITIARY GREEN OR A DISRUPTOR I'M PRAGMATIC AND THOUGHTFUL.
I WILL LEAN THAT WAY.
>> DO YOU THINK VOTERS, REPUBLICAN VOTERS HERE, FIRST OFF.
DID THEY WANT THAT MORE CONSERVATIVE VOTE IN THAT DISTRICT?
>> I BELIEVE THEY DOM WE ARE PLUS 3 REPUBLICAN DISTRICT AND -- I THINK I SHARED WITH YOU THERE WERE 5 OF US THE LAST TIME.
AND THE CONSERVATIVES BEAT MODERATE IN TOTAL VOTES.
I THINK LEAVING ME AND JUAN THERE ARE TWO THIS TIME AND A MODERATE VERSUS A CONSERVATIVE AND WE WILL SEE.
WITH WHAT IS GOING NOT COUNTS REW PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR STABILITY, A THOUGHTFULNESS AND WANT TO RESTORE ORDER TO OUR COUNTRY AND I BELIEVE I CAN DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US >> THANK YOU >> THAT IS IT I'M TED SIMONS THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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