>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, WHAT TO EXPECT TOMORROW AS FORMER PUMP IS ARRAIGNED ON CRIMINAL CHARGES INVOLVING NATIONAL SECURITY.

>>> WE'LL HEAR ABOUT AN EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOMELESSNESS AMONG OLDER AMERICANS AND HOW A CONTROVERSIAL MERGER IN THE WORLD OF GOLF IMPACTS THE WORLD OF GO POLITICS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> Ted: WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS BACK AT THE CAPITOL TO WORK ON CRUCIAL LEGISLATION, MOST NOTABLY THE MARICOPA COUNTY SALES TAX AND THE GOVERNOR AND THE REPUBLICAN LEAD LEGISLATURE ARE AT ODDS ON HOW THE MONEY WILL BE SPENT WITH REPUBLICANS AT ADAMANT IT NOT BE USED FOR LIGHT RAIL AND IT CANNOT BE PUT BEFORE VOTERS UNLESS THEY APPROVE.

>> GOVERNOR HOBBS WITHDREW HER VOTE AND THIS IS DISAPPOINTING AND INAPPROPRIATE.

WHILE THEY TOUT ED THIS ASED THIS TO VET NOMINEES.

>>> AUTHORITIES IN FLORIDA ARE PREPARING FOR THE ARRAIGNMENT OF DONALD TRUMP ON MORE THAN THREE DOZEN CHARGES WITH UNLAWFUL CLASSIFIED DEFENSE INFORMATION AND THEY SAY THE CITY IS READY IN CASE IT GETS OUT OF HAND.

>> WE HOPE THAT TOMORROW WILL BE PEACEFUL.

WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BE PEACEFUL IN THEM DEMONSTRATING HOW THEY FEEL AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ADEQUATE FORCES NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT.

>> Ted: AND WE WILL HAVE MUCH MORE ON WHAT TO EXPECT TOMORROW AT THE MIAMI FEDERAL COURTHOUSE IN JUST A MOMENT.

>>> THIS IS A HEALTH NOTE, A NEW STUDY SHOWS THAT LIGHT DRINKING OF ALCOHOL REDUCES STRESS AND REPLICATING THE EFFECTS COULD LOWER THE RISK OF HEART ATTACK OR STROKE.

RESEARCHERS SAY IT REDUCES STRESS IN PARTS THE BRAIN TO PROCESS FEAR AND THREATS AND THE RESEARCHERS EMPHASIZE THEY'RE NOT RECOMMENDING LIGHT TO MODERATE DRINKING BECAUSE ANY AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL RAISES THE RISK OF CANCER.

THE GOAL IS TO TAP INTO BENEFITS IN OTHER WAYS LIKE THROUGH EXERCISE AND MEDITATION.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED, FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE ARRAIGNED TOMORROW ON NUMEROUS CHARGES INVOLVING THE MISHANDLING OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS AND FOR AN OVERVIEW AND WHAT TO EXPECT TOMORROW, WE'RE JOINED BY FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY, ROY HERRERA.

THIS IS HISTORIC STUFF, ISN'T IT?

>> THIS WILL PROBABLY BE AT LEAST THE MOST FAMOUS CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OFMY LIFETIME AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A FORMER PRESIDENT INDICTED FEDERALLY AND WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES.

>> Ted: 37 OR 38 AND I'VE SEEN CONFLICTING REPORTS.

>> 37 COUNTS AND THE BULK OF THE CHARGES TO THE ESPIONAGE ACT.

BASICALLY THAT HE RETAINED NATIONAL DEFENSE INFORMATION IN VIOLATION OF THE ESPIONAGE ACT.

THE REST OF THE CHARGES ARE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES AS WELL AS FALSE STATEMENT CHARGES.

THE ALLEGE IS THAT HE OBSTRUCTED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S INVESTIGATION, THE FBI'S INVESTIGATION AND MADE LIGHT OF IT.

>> Ted: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BATTLE PLANS AND THIS IS SERIOUS STUFF HERE.

>> VERY SERIOUS STUFF AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STANDS OUT IS THE INFORMATION ABOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE, HOW CLASSIFIED THE DOCUMENTS WERE THAT HE HAD IN HIS POSSESSION.

ONE OF THE THINGS BEFORE WE SAW THE INDICTMENT, IF I WAS DEFENDING HIM, THE THING I WOULD FOCUS IS THE INTENT, WHETHER HE DID WHAT HE DID WILLFULLY AND, PERHAPS, HE DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

IT'S CLEAR FROM THIS INDICTMENT THAT HE DID KNOW THAT.

>> Ted: THERE ARE RECORDINGS OF HIM SHOWING IT TO WRITERS AND LAWYERS AND FRIENDS EAR THE STACKS OF BOXES AT HIS RESIDENCE, THESE THINGS WERE STREWN ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> WE'VE SEEN PHOTOS OF DOCUMENTS, POTENTIALLY, HIGHLY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN BATHROOMS, YOU KNOW, IN THE BALL ROOM AT MAR-A-LAGO AND THESE WERE NOT IN A SECURE FACILITY.

>> Ted: SHOWING THEM OFF THAT DID NOT HAVE SECURITY AND I SAID "SHOWING OFF" AND IN SOME SENSES, HE WAS KIND OF SHOWING OFF THIS STUFF.

>> IT SEEMED THAT WAY AND ACCORDING TO THE INDICTMENT, THE FOLKS THAT HAD EXPOSURE, THAT THERE WAS NO SECURITY CLEARANCE >> Ted: THE GRAND JURY GETS THE EVIDENCE AND SAYS, IS THERE ENOUGH TO GO AHEAD AND ENOUGH HERE TO GO AHEAD.

WHEN YOU SEE THESE CHARGES, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE DO YOU THINK THIS IS, STRONG?

>> I THINK SO NOW, STRONG?

>> THE CAVEAT IS THAT HE IS PRESUMEED INNOCENT AND BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.

I VIEW IS AS MUCH MORE SERIOUS.

IF YOU WERE TO ASK ABOUT THE STATE CHARGES, I THOUGHT THEY WERE WEAK.

MY EXPECTATION HE WOULDN'T FACE CONVICTION IN NEW YORK.

THIS IS MUCH MORE DILL.

THISDIFFICULT.

>> Ted: COMPARE AND CONTRAST.

WHY WAS THE NEW YORK THING WEAK AS OPPOSE ODD OPPOSED TO THIS?

>> CRIMINAL OFFENSES, BUT THE REASON I THINK THE NEW YORK CASE WAS WEAK, THE NOVEL APPLICATION OF A STATUTE THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN USED IN THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN USED AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP IN NEW YORK.

THIS IS ESPIONAGE ACT VIOLATIONS THAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS PROSECUTED BEFORE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INDICTMENT, YOU SEE INFORMATION THAT HIS OWN LAWYERS, HIS OWN FORMAL LAWYERS COLLECTED THAT ACTUALLY HURT HIM AND PROVE THE GOVERNMENT'S CASE.

THAT MAKES IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO FIGHT BACK.

>> Ted: THE IDEA HE WAS SCHEMING TO DERAIL THE INVESTIGATION.

THE MINUTE THIS THING GETS UNLEASHED, TWO OF HIS LAWYERS ARE HIGH-TALING IT OUT OF THERE.

>> THERE'S A NUMBER OF NOTES THE LAWYERS HAD TO THE DIRECTION HE GAVE TO THEM AND SEEMED TO AGAIN, AND PROVEN IN COURT, DIRECTION TO EITHER LIE TO PROSECUTORS ABOUT WHERE THE DOCUMENTS WERE OR WHETHER HE HAD THEM OR IMPLYING THE LAWYERS DESTROYED THE DOCUMENTS.

>> Ted: ALL OF WHICH, AGAIN, AS YOU SAY SERIOUS, AS SERIOUS AS ANYTHING HE'S FACED SO FAR.

I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS PRISON TIME FOR THESE THINGS?

>> THE ESPIONAGE CHARGES, LOOKING AT 31 OF THEM IN THE INDICTMENT, MAXIMUM OF TEN YEARS APIECE, THEORETICALLY IN FEDERAL PRISON.

THE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES, PERHAPS AS HIGH AS 20 YEARS APIECE.

THAT HAPPENED -- IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY TO BE GUILTY, UNDER THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES, FIRST-TIME OFFENDER, SO HE WON'T GET A MAXIMUM OF EACH OF THE COUNTS, BUT THE SERIOUSNESS IN PRISON.

>> Ted: LIKELY A MINIMUM.

COULD HE BE SERVING TIME BEHIND BARS?

>> HE COULD, BUT, OF COURSE, THIS WILL GO TO A JURY AND THE JUDGE HERE AND THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JUDGE'S POTENTIAL -- >> Ted: WHO IS THIS JUDGE?

>> THE SAME JUDGE WITH THE SPECIAL MASTER CASE FROM LAST YEAR AFTER THE FBI RAIDED MAR-A-LAGO AND PRESIDENT TRUMP ASKED FOR A SPECIAL MASTER.

THE SAME JUDGE PRESIDING OVER THIS CRIMINAL CASE ORDERED THAT THE ESSENTIALLY THE GOVERNMENT COULDN'T ACTUALLY USE THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'VE COLLECTED WHILE THE SPECIAL MASTER WAS REVIEWING AND THAT DECISION WAS REVERSED BY THE 11th CIRCUIT IN A SCATHING OPINION.

THE ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS JUDGE, THAT EXPERIENCE OR HER DECISION CREATES THE PERCEPTION OF BIASED, SHE WOULD NOT DO THIS FAIRLY.

>> Ted: CAN HIS DEFENSE CLAIM A PERCEPTION OF BIASED?

WE'VE HEARD HIM SPEAKING AND YOU CAN'T SHUT HIM UP AND TALKING ABOUT SELECTION PROSECUTION AND NOT FAIR HE DID THIS TO HILLARY AND DOES THAT HOLD COURT IN A PROCEEDING?

>> THERE'S THE CONVENTIONAL THAT WILL BE A TRENCH WARFARE AND EVIDENCE RELATED TO WHAT PEOPLE'S STATEMENTS, RELATED TO WHAT THEY HEARD HIM SAY AND SOME OF THE EVIDENCE COMING FROM HIS OWN LAWYERS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE.

AND THE UNCONVENTIONAL PATH WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.

HE'LL LITIGATE IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION TO GET THE JURY TO FEEL SYMPATHY AND WILL DO THAT AFTER THE ARRAIGNMENT TOMORROW.

>> Ted: WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT DO PROSECUTORS HAVE TO DO AND WHAT IS THEIR JOB?

>> TO PROVE EVERY ELEMENT OF EACH OF THE OFFENSES.

I THINK, AGAIN, A LOT OF THE WORK HERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO OVER WHAT WILLFULLY MEANS AND THE INTENT OF THE DEFENDANT IS.

THAT IS WHAT THEY'LL BE ORGANIZING OVER AND THEY'LL WANT TO GET A LOT OF THE PEOPLE TO TESTIFY AND THE DEFENSE WILL SAY THESE PEOPLE CAN'T BE ADMITTED.

>> Ted: LET'S GET TO TOMORROW AND WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW?

>> NORMALLY AND NOTHING NORMAL BY ANY OF THIS AND IN AN ARRAIGNMENT, AN OPEN AND SHUT HEARING, SOMETHING THAT TAKES MINUTESMINUTES.

THE DEFENDANT WILL ENTER GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY AND IF THERE'S DETENTION, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION OVER BAIL, 40s.

, FOR EXAMPLE.

THE FORMER PRESIDENT AND THINKING ABOUT SECURITY AND I'M SURE THE PROSECUTORS AND DEFENSE LAWYERS ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS NOT TURN INTO A CIRCUS.

>> Ted: CAN THE JUDGE SAY, I WANT YOU TO KEEP QUIET ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE AS SOON AS THIS IS OVER, HE HAS A CAMPAIGN SPEECH IN NEW YORK, I THINK.

HE'LL TRY TO RAISE MONEY AND DEFINITELY GOING TO MENTION THIS.

>> THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, RIGHT, BECAUSE HE'S A DEFENDANT AND A LOT OF RIGHTS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

IF THIS GETS TOO WITNESS TAMPERING, THE JUDGE MAY STEP IN.

LARGELY, HE'LL LITIGATE THIS IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION AND IN COURT.

>> Ted: ROY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, A LOOK AT EFFORTS TO HELP HOMELESS SENIORS IN ARIZONA.

>> TONIGHT AS PART OF THE AARP SEGMENT, WE LOOK AT WAYS TO ADDRESS THE GROWING PROBLEM OF HOMELESS SENIORING AND JOINING US IS MARY LYNN KASUNIC IS THE AREA ON AGING AND DEAN SCHEINERT, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

MARY LYNN, WHAT IS THIS?

>> A NONPROFIT THAT PROVIDES OVER 50 SERVICES TO PEOPLE 18 TO 59 WITH DISABILITIES IN AND LONG-TERM CARE NEEDS.

SO SERVICES TO HELP PEOPLE WITH MEALS ON WHEELS AND GROCERY SHOPPING AND BATHING AND ALL OF THAT.

>> Ted: THE JUSTICE CENTER.

I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I'LL ASK YOU.

TO PROVIDE RESOURCES AND SERVICES TO THE EDERLY, 55 AND OVER, WHO IS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

>> Ted: STICKING WITH YOU AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE AN INCREASE OUT THERE.

WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> A PERFECT STORM, CONFLUENCE OF EVENTS.

LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A LOT OF EDERLY ADULTS CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THEIR RENT AND WE DO GENERALLY SPEAKING HAVE AN OLDER POPULATION WHO COME TO ARIZONA, WHO THINK WILL RETIRE AND GET PRICED OUT HOUSING MARKET AND, OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE ISSUES NEVER TREATED BEFORE.

>> Ted: INDEED.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AGING ISSUES.

THERE ARE HEALTH ISSUES WITH AGING AND WITH THIS POPULATION, THIS HAS TO BE DIFFICULT.

>> I WITH INFLATION AND COST OF FOOD, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT ON A FIXED INCOME, WHICH WAS MOST ODDER ADULTS.

OLDER ADULTS.

I HEARD STATISTICS THAT THE AVERAGE ADULT IS MAKING ABOUT 1400 A MONTH AND WE KNOW THAT APARTMENTS ARE WAY ABOVE THAT.

>> Ted: GOOD LUCK WITH THAT AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN AND WHAT IS HAPPENING AND NOT HAPPENING?

>> I WOULD COMPLEMENT COMPLIMENT THE MEDIA FOR NOT BRINGING A LENSE ON THIS.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THIS CRISIS.

OBVIOUSLY, FUNDING IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AND ALSO INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> Ted: THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND EMERGENCY HOUSING AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE DONE?

>> I THINK THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CITY OF PHOENIX AND OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE TRYING TO PURCHASE SOME OLD HOTELS AND MAKE THEM INTO SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCIES WHICH IS GREAT AND THE OLDER AREA SUPPORTS THE JUSTICE CENTER BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OLDER ADULTS HAVE A PLACE TO GO DURING THE DAY.

DEAN CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT IT, BUT THEY GET MEALS AND THEY CAN TAKE SHOWERS AND THEY GET LAUNDRY DONE AND SO FORTH.

I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DO -- WELL, MORE TO PREVENT HOME HOMELESSNESS AND ONCE THINK ARE HOMELESS, TO HAVE THE SERVICES.

>> Ted: AND MORE JUSTICE CENTERS WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA EITHER.

>> SO WE PROVIDE A SAFE DAY ROOM FOR OUR MEMBERS.

WE CALL OUR CLIENTS OUR MEMBERS AND A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS DO NOT LIKE TO GO INTO THE SHELTERS BECAUSE THEY FEEL VULNERABLE.

>> Ted: ARE YOU PLANNING A NEW CENTER IN.

>> A NEW SENIOR CENTER FOR THEM.

WE CALL IT A SENIOR CENTER FOR THE JUSTICE CENTER.

AND SO WHEN WE -- THE JUSTICE CENTER WILL HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE THEIR PLACE WAS SOLD AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT AND THE AGENCY BOUGHT THEIR EXISTING BUILDING AND IT'S OLD AND DELAPIDATED AND IT'S STILL OLD AND WE'RE BUILDING A NEW ONE ON THE LAND RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

>> Ted: THE NEW BUILDING WILL OFFER WHAT THAT THE OLD BUILDING COULDN'T?

>> WE COULD EXPAND OUR SERVICES AND BE MORE VISIBLY APPEALING DESTINATION FOR OUR MEMBERS AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY IN A POSITIVE WAY BECAUSE WE LOVE OUR BUILDING AND IT'S OLD AND THE PLANS FOR THIS NEW BUILDING WILL BE BEAUTIFUL.

THERE'S A LOT OF GREENERY AND ADA COMPLIANT RESOURCES.

>> Ted: PEOPLE WANT TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE JUSTICE CENTER, WHERE DO THEY GO?

>> 1001 WEST JEFFERSON STREET, SO ON THE CORNER OF 10th 10th AVENUE AND JEFFERSON STREET.

>> Ted: AND THE AREA AGING?

>> THE 24 AREA HELP LINE, 602 202-HELP.

>> Ted: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU >> Ted: THE PGA TOUR AND THE SAUDI ARABIA TOUR AND CRITICS SEE THIS AT CA PIT LAY SHIN TO VIOLATIONS AND SHAWN KLE IRK N,IN, GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

>> THEY WERE LAUGERHEADS AND PGA, THEY WERE TAKING SOME OF THE PGA PLAYERS AND OFFERING MONEY TO PLAY ON THE LIV TOUR AND CAUSED A LOT OF AG ACRIMONY.

>> Ted: THIS NEW ENTERPRISE WHERE THE TOUR, THEY GET TOGETHER AND THIS IS THE SAUDI ARABIA GOVERNMENT.

>> YES, SO THE FUND WHERE MANY OF THE PERSIAN GULF COUNTRIES HAVE THESE SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUNDS AND THE PUBLIC INVESTMENT FUND AND THEY HAVE THE PREMIERE LEAGUE IN ENGLAND AND LIV AND PIECES OF MANY AMERICAN COMPANIES LIKE DISNEY AND BOEING AND SO ON.

>> Ted: AND WHOLESALE WHICH HAS A LOT OF CRITICS AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE GOLFING ASPECT BUT WHAT IS SPORTS WASHING?

>> THIS IS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT OR CORPORATION, AS WELL, BUT A GOVERNMENT WITH A BAD REPUTATION AND OTHER SORTS OF BAD DEEDS, WHEN THEY TRY TO ASSOCIATE SOME POSITIVE LIKE SPORTS TO GET THE POSITIVE LIGHT AND THE POSITIVE REPUTATION THAT SPORTS HAS AND WE ARE INTERESTED IN SPORT AND THEY TRY TO USE THAT TO IMPROVE THEIR OWN REPUTATION AND THEN MAKING PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT THEIR BAD DEEDS, IS THE HOPE, IS THEIR GOAL.

>> Ted: THAT'S THE GOAL AND DOES IT WORK AND DO PEOPLE NOW JUST FORGET ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA AND THE PROBLEMS THEY'RE IN?

>> THAT'S A MAJOR CRITICISM OF THE SPORT'S WASHING IS THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM EFFECTIVE.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE BEIJING HOSTING THE OLYMPICS OR CUTTER HOSTING THE WORLD CUP, THESE ARE SPORTS WASHING WHICH DON'T INCREASE THE REPUTATION.

IT DOES THE OPPOSITE BY PUTTING THESE COUNTRYING IN THE LIME LIGHT OR PUTTING THEMSELVES IN THE LIME LIGHT AND BRING MORE ATTENTION TO THE ISSUES IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.

>> Ted: I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN GOLF TOURNAMENTS IN THE EM AND THERE HAS BEEN AN ASSOCIATION AND IT SEEMED TO BE OK THEN AND THIS HAS TAKEN OVER.

>> THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER DEAL AND INVESTMENT AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE MERGER AND A LOT TO BE HOW IT WILL WORK AND IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL.

IT MAY NOT WORK AND A MUCH BIGGER INVESTMENT.

FROM AMERICAN SPORTS,.

>> Ted: THIS GOING BACK INTIME.

>> THE SPORTS WASHING, THE ASSOCIATION BETWEEN SPORTS AND REGIMES TRYING TO DISTRACT THE POPULOUS.

>> Ted: THIS IS FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND LET PUT IT THIS WAY, CAN IT WORK?

WE STILL LOOK AT THE OLYMPICS IN NAZI JOURNEY AND FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT.

>> WAS IT MUNICH?

THAT'S NOT SPORTS WASHING BECAUSE THEY WERE AWARDED THAT PRIOR TO NAZI, GERMANY TAKING OVER AND THE WORLD CUP PRIOR TO ONE OF THEIR DICTATORSHIPS TAKING OVER AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN MORE RECENT AND RUSSIA WITH SOCHI AND CUTTER WITH THE COMING UP AND SAUDI AND ABU DHABI AND ANOTHER SOCCER TEAM.

>> Ted: OK, THE MORAL IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> IT'S A COMPLICATED SORT OF CASE, RIGHT, BECAUSE IF SAUDI ARABIA DOES HAVE A BAD TRACK RECORD ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES AND NOT JUST IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES AND AN OUGHTOUGHTAUTOCRATIC GOVERNMENT.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S DOING ANYTHING TO DISTRACT US, BUT BRINGING LIGHT TO IT.

I THINK WE DO BETTER WITH ENGAGEMENT THAN ISOLATION OF COUNTRIES LIKE THIS.

>> Ted: EVERYONE IS WORRIED ABOUT THE MORT IMPLICATIONS FOR FANS AND GOLFERS AND THAT'S ON THE TABLE.

>> RIGHT, WHEN LIV FIRST CAME OUT, THAT IS THE BIG CONVERSATION, ABOUT THE GOLFERS TAKING THESE BIG PAYDAYS AND TIGER WOODS WAS OFFERED ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THEM.

SOMETHING SIMILAR WITHIN THE SOCCER WORLD TO HIRE SOME OF THE PLAYERS THERE AND CHOSE NOT TO AND CAME TO THE U.S.

SO, YEAH, IT IMPLICATED THEM POTENTIALLY.

THAT'S WHERE THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WORKS IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T REALLY WORK TO DISTRACT US FROM THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, THEN I THINK THE PLAYERS AREN'T COMPLICIT IN THE WRONGS AND THEN THERE'S MORE SEPARATION FROM THEM.

IT'S STILL A MORALLY GRAY AND COMPLICATED AREA.

>> Ted: COULD THIS HELP A REGIME LIKE SAUDI ARABIA MODERNIZE?

>> I HOPE SO AND BY THROUGH GREATER ENGAGEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING, THAT WILL OPEN UP AND BECOMING A MORE FREE SOCIETY.

>> Ted: GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

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