COLLECTION OF ARTWORK FROM NATIVE PAINTERS.

>> Cathy: BUT WITNESS START TONIGHT WITH POLITICAL NEWS FROM THE EAST COAST.

LATE THIS AFTERNOON, A FEDERAL JURY ORDERED FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP TO PAY E. JEAN CARROLL $83.3 MILLION IN DEFAMATION DAMAGES.

THIS COMES AT THE END OF A WEEK THAT INCLUDED SOLID VICTORIES FOR BOTH PRESIDENT BIDEN AND FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY.

AS TRUMP'S PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE STATUS GROWS, SO HAS THE DIVIDE AMONG CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS ON IMMIGRATION, STALLING A DEAL ON BORDER SECURITY AND AID TO UKRAINE.

HERE WITH MORE, DAVID SCHULTZ TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, PROFESSOR.

AN $83 MILLION JUDGMENT.

THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S FACING FOUR CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS AND A CIVIL LAWSUIT.

WHEN DOES THIS START TO STICK TO HIM PLAIT PLITICALLY?

>> IT MIGHT NOT STICK TO HIM AT ALL WITH HIS BASE.

ASSUMING HE GETS THE NOMINATION, DOES IT STICK TO HIM DURING THE GENERAL ELECTION AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S GOING TO HIT AT THAT POINT.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, REMEMBER HE SAID HE COULD STAND ON 5TH AVENUE, SHOOT SOMEBODY, IT COULD NOT CHANGE MY BASE.

HE GOT THAT RIGHT.

HIS BASE IS NOW 50% OF THE REPUBLICAN ARTY.

IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THOSE INDEPENDENT VOTERS, THOSE CRITICAL SWING OTERS, AND THOSE FEW STATES LIKE WISCONSIN THAT ARE GOING TO DECIDE THE ELESKS.

AND ANY OF THOSE CONVICTIONS, IF THEY WERE TO COME, THE IT'S GOING TO BE THOSE FEW VOTERS THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT.

>> Eric: WHAT ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE COURT ACTION VERSUS THE POLITICAL CALENDAR?

>> WELL, RIGHT NOW, HIS WHOLE STRATEGY IS TO KEEP PUSHING THINGS OUT.

I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO BE COMPLETELY SUCCESSFUL.

I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO I KNOWED UP HAMMING HERE IS HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUSH THEM A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

BUT FEDERAL TRIALS, THEY WANT TRIALS.

THEY'VE GOT PACKED DOCKETS, I HAVE IS A A THEORY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE PERHAPS TRIALS OR JUDGMENTS AS OUR PROVERBIAL OCTOBER SURPRISE.

THAT HE'S GOING TO BE ENMESHED AT THAT POINT.

NOW, SO FAR, HE'S BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL IN TRANSFORMING TRIALS INTO CAMPAIGN EVENTS.

AND GENG, IT WORKS WITH HIS BASE.

THE QUESTION WILL BE, WILL IT WORK WITH THE GENERAL ELECTORATE?

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HIS GROWING CONGRESSIONAL FLIEWBS AND THE FACT THAT HE'S TELLING G.O.P.

LAWMAKERS NOT TO VOTE ON THIS IMMIGRATION BILL?

>> IT'S IN WRB'S INTEREST.

COLLECTIVE PUBLIC GOOD AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE BORDER CRISIS.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WE HAVE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT WAS A DEAL.

IT LOOKED LIKE WE ACTUALLY HAD A DEAL, BUT HE DOESN'T WANT THAT BORDER CRISIS SOLVED BECAUSE HE WANTS THE THE IMAGES.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT AGAIN, HIS BASE, AND GO ACK TO IOWA A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

IN IOWA.

THE TOP OF HIS IN TERMS OF ISSUES THAT IOWA EPUBLICANS WERE IS A NAMING WAS THE BORDER CRISIS ISSUE.

AND SAME THING WE'RE SEEING SOMEWHAT IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND I THINK THIS IS THE KIND OF ISSUE THAT HE THINKS THOSE IMAGES OF BORDER CRISIS WILL RESONATE AS A CRITICISM OF BIDEN IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> Eric: NIKKI HALEY GOT A SHOT IN HER HOME STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA?

>> I DON'T THINK SO AT THAT POINT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE ANALOGY OF PATHS FRRMDS OR SOMETHING, HER PATH FORWARD IS NOT VERY GOOD.

EVEN THOUGH SHE SAID SHE'S IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL, DOES SHE WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE OF LOSING IN HER OWN HOME STATE AT THIS POINT?

SHE COULD BE A BURR IN HIS SADDLE AT THIS POINT.

AND SHE REPRESENTS ROUGHLY THAT 45% OF THE PARTY THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT HIM.

BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT GOOD IT DOES.

I MEAN, DOES SHE WANT TO BE THE LIKE, SAM ARE IFISHAL LAMB.

IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IN HER MIND IN TERMS OF THE THINK EXCEPT I THINK, I THINK SHE'S HOPING THAT IF ALL HIS PROBLEMS PERSIST, IT GETS TO THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION, I'M GUESSING OR TOTALLY SPECULATING, AND THERE MAYBE IS A CONVICTION OR SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE SAYING, WE GOT TO REPLACE TRUMP, SHE CAN SAY I'M THE ALTERNATIVE.

SO SHE MAY BE, AGAIN, TOTAL SPECULATION, PLAYING THE LONG GAME STRATEGY HERE WITH A HAIL MARY.

>> Eric: AND DEAN FILLISMS THE SAME WAY ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.

HE KNOWS HE MAY NOT GET A DELEGATE BUT WANTS TO MAKE IS IT TO THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.

>> MONEY WILL DICTATE THAT.

HE'S NOT GOING TO DO WELL IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND MICHIGAN.

HE DID SOMEWHAT WELL IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

>> Eric: 20%, WASN'T IT?

>> YEAH, REMEMBER, HE ORIGINALLY HE SAID HE WANTED TO EQUAL WHAT SENATOR MCCARTHY GOT, AND THEN HE WENT BACK AND SAID I'M A WINNER F I GET 20.

HE ALMOST GOT 20%.

HOW MUCH MORE MONEY CAN HE BRING IN AT THIS POINT?

>> Eric: BUT HE'D BE A JUST IN CASE CANDIDATE LIKE HALEY WOULD BE?

>> HE WOULD, EXCEPT THE FACT THAT I THINK HALEY RIGHT NOW IS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE.

IF BIDE WREN WERE INCAPACITATED THERE'S PROBABLY SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE, GOVERNOR FROM CALIFORNIA, MAYBE SOME SENATORS, MAYBE THE GOVERNOR OF -- GRETCHEN WHICH THE MANAGER AS ALTERNATIVES.

>> Eric: NEWSOME IS GOING TO SOUTH CAROLI