♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY, FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

JOINING ME AROUND THE TABLE THIS WEEK ARE NINA MOORE FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, LUKE PERRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY, TARA ROSS FROM ONONDAGA COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND RICK FENNER FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

THIS WEEK HAS BEEN A DRAMATIC ONE IN THE TRIAL OF DONALD TRUMP, THE FIRST EVER CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF A FORMER AMERICAN PRESIDENT.

KEY WITNESS MICHAEL COHEN SPENT THREE DAYS ON THE STAND, AND OF COURSE STORMY DANIELS TESTIFIED AS WELL.

BUT THERE HAS ALSO BEEN LESS SENSATIONAL BUT IMPORTANT TESTIMONY FROM OTHERS, INCLUDING TRUMP'S CLOSE AIDE HOPE HICKS.

NOW THAT WE'VE SEEN THE EVIDENCE, DO WE THINK THIS CASE SHOULD HAVE GONE FORWARD?

>> WELL, WHEN WE CONSIDER AN ISSUE LIKE THIS, WE FIRST HAVE TO CONSIDER THE STANDARD FOR CHARGING SOMEBODY WITH A CRIME IN THE UNITED STATES.

THAT'S PROBABLE CAUSE WHAT WE HAVE GLEANED FROM THE TRIAL SO FAR IS THAT THERE IS PROBABLE CAUSE A CRIME WAS COMMITTED.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS MUCH DOUBT THAT THE SEX ACTS IN QUESTION OCCURRED AND THERE IS A PRETTY ILLUSTRIOUS PAPER TRAIL OF THE RELATED PAYMENTS AND THE LARGER CONTEST OF THE CAMPAIGN IN TERMS OF TRYING TO PREVENT PERCEIVED DAMAGE TOWARD CANDIDATE TRUMP.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME IN THE RECENT TESTIMONY BY MICHAEL COHEN, IS THAT THIS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

COHEN WENT TO THE OVAL OFFICE AS PRESIDENT BECAUSE TRUMP HADN'T PAID HIM THE MONEY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO AND AS PRESIDENT ALLEGEDLY DONALD TRUMP SAID I WILL PAY YOU.

IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

IF YOU ARE A PROSECUTOR, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT EVIDENCE AND TURN THE OTHER WAY.

>> NINA.

>> YEAH, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THAT THIS CASE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT.

AND LET ME PREFACE IT BY SAYING, I'M SOMEONE WHO THINKS THAT TRUMP IS REALLY HORRIBLE FOR THE COUNTRY BECAUSE HE TRAFFICS IN HATE AND DIVISION, RACE BAITING AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT APPEAL TO THE WORST IN US.

BUT SETTING ASIDE FOR NOW THE LEGAL ASPECTS OF THIS CASE, I THINK ABOUT THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS.

AND SO I THINK THAT IF HE WERE TO WIN-- AND BY THE WAY, I WILL SAY THIS, THAT I THINK THIS IS THE WEAKEST OF THE THREE CASES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AGAINST HIM AND WERE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM.

BUT AS TO THE POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS, IF HE WERE TO WIN IN THIS CASE, THAT BASICALLY BOLSTERS HIS CLAIM THAT THIS WAS A WITCH HUNT.

AND I THINK IT BOOSTS HIS CHANCES OF WINNING THE ELECTION.

AND EVEN IF HE LOSES, HE IS NOT GOING TO GET PRISON TIME BECAUSE HE IS A FIRST-TIME OFFENDER.

AND USUALLY, IF WE FOLLOW WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS, THAT MEANS HE IS NOT GOING TO GET TIME.

AND THEN THAT ALSO HEENS THAT HALF OF THE COUNTRY WILL VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS A CONVICTED FELL FELON, PROVEN TO HAVE BROKEN THE LAW.

AND I WORRY ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.

IS THAT SLIDING TOWARD GOMORRAH.

>> HE COULD WIN THE CASE.

IT HINGES ON MICHAEL COHEN'S TESTIMONY.

>> I THINK THERE IS A REALLY GOD CHANCE HE IS GOING TO WIN HERE BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THE MISDEMEANOR CHARGE IS STALE.

IT'S BEYOND THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS AND IT'S BASICALLY A BOOK KEEPING OFFENSE.

AND TRUMP DID NOT HAVE HIS FINGERPRINTS ON THE RECORDS.

HE WAS NOT THE ONE WHO ON ORGANIZED THE RECORDS.

SO THE MISDEMEANOR IS THE BASIS FOR THE FELONY CHARGE, WHICH IS THAT HE ATTEMPTED TO SOMEHOW SWIND WILL VOTERS IN ORDER TO WIN THE ELECTION.

I CAN POINT TO 538 SUSPECTS ON CAPITOL HILL THAT POSSIBLY STRETCH THE TRUTH IN ORDER TO WIN THE ELECTION.

>> RICK.

>> I SORT OF FALL IN BETWEEN LUKE AND NINA HERE.

FOR ME THIS HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES WITH THE BILL CLINTON MONICA LEWINSKY DEBACLE.

IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR CLEARLY THAT THEN SPILLS OVER INTO ILLEGAL ACTIVITY TO COVER IT UP.

I STILL THINK IT SHOULD GO FORWARD BASICALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT IS NOT A ONE OFF AS IT APPEARED WITH CLINTON WITH TRUMP.

THIS IS PART OF A CONSISTENT SET OF BEHAVIORS THAT SHOW THAT HE THINKS HE IS ABOVE THE LAW, THAT HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE CAN.

EVEN IF HE WINS THIS CASE, THE FACT THAT THE OTHER ONES ARE COMING THROUGH SHOWING THE SAME TYPE OF PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR, I THINK, NEEDS TO BE SHOWN.

>> IT DOES GIVE INSIGHT INTO THE MAN.

BUT I MEAN AT THIS POINT, I MEAN WE PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHO HE IS.

>> BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SIGNS THAT POLLS ARE SHOWING THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY OF THIS, THAT IT MEANS THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE THINK HE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN GOING FORWARD WITH THESE CASES.

>> YEAH, AND YET THE PUBLIC OPINION POLLS HAVE ACTUALLY SHOWN HIM TO BE LEADING MORE AND MORE THE LONGER THIS CASE GOES ON.

>> TARA.

>> EL WITH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO POINTS HERE.

I THINK YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THERE ARE SOME POLLS THAT ARE SHOWING THAT PEOPLE FEEL, EVEN IF THEY'RE SUPPORTERS OF HIS, THAT THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING FOR A CONVICTED FELON.

WILL THAT MEAN THEY JUST DON'T VOTE AT ALL OR WILL THEY VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE?

THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

MOST OF THE SAME PEOPLE ARE SAYING WE DEFINITELY WON'T VOTE FOR BIDEN.

THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW THAT EVEN THE PRESIDENT IS NOT ABOVE THE LAW.

AND THAT THE LENGTHS TO WHICH THIS PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO GO TO MAKE SURE HE FIRST WON THE ELECTION AND THEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS HIDDEN, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO SEE THAT, EVEN THOSE WHO SUPPORT TRUMP, STILL NEED TO SEE THAT OUR DEMOCRACY DOES FUNCTION THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION.

THE SAD THING ABOUT IT IS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED UPON IS SORT OF THE GREATER POLITICAL RAMIFICATIONS IN TERMS OF THIS TRAIL OF FOLKS WHO ARE THERE TO SUPPORT HIM AND THAT, I THINK, IS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THIS TRIAL AND NO PROSECUTOR COULD HAVE FORESEEN THAT.

>> ONE THING I FIND VERY CURIOUS IS SIMILAR TO THE CLINTON MONICA LEWINSKY THINGS, CORE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT TRUMP SHOULD BE OUTRAGED AT THIS.

SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE, EVANGELICALS, HIS BEHAVIOR IRRESPONSIBLE.

BUT IT WAS THE SAME THING UNDER CLINTON.

WOMEN'S GROUPS SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUTRAGED AT HIS BEHAVIOR, BUT BECAUSE THEY LIKED HIS POLICIES, THEY SORT OF IGNORED THE PERSONAL BEHAVIOR.

I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER PARALLEL BETWEEN THE TWO CASES.

>> BUT CLINTON, IT WASN'T JUST MONICA LEWINSKY WITH HIM.

THERE WERE OTHER IMPROPRIETIES HE WAS ACCUSED OF, HIS OWN PAUL AJONES.

TO ECHO WHAT YOU BOTH HAVE SAID, ULTIMATELY THERE HAS TO BE AN EFFORT TO PERSUADE THOSE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR HIM.

AND BY THE WAY, ONLY 20 OF HIS VOTERS HAVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD RETHINK VOTING FOR HIM WERE HE TO BE CONVICTED OF A FELONY.

AND SO, AGAIN, HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO-- I'M NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BLAME HIM IF THEY CONTINUE TO SUPPORT TRUMP BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NEW YORK PROSECUTOR IN A BLUE CITY THAT IS ATTEMPTING TO REEL IN A CANDIDATE IN A NATIONAL PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WHEN FEDERAL PROSECUTORS DECLINED TO DO SO.

>> SO YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS FOR A POLITICAL BIASED PROSECUTION.

>> I CAN'T GET IN THEIR HEAD BUT I CAN SAY THAT'S HOW IT IS GOING TO BE PERCEIVED AND IT IS PERCEIVED AND PERCEPTION IS REALITY.

>> CALIFORNIA HAS RAISED ITS MINIMUM WAGE FOR FAST FOOD WORKERS TO 20 DOLLARS AN HOUR.

THE LAW WAS PUSHED BY THE SERVICE EMPLOYEES INTERNATIONAL UNION.

SUPPORTERS OF THE LAW WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO NATIONAL, INCLUDING HERE IN NEW YORK.

BUT WAGE INCREASES MEAN COSTS GO UP FOR THE RESTAURANTS, AND PRICES FOR THE CONSUMERS.

FRANCHISE OWNERS SAY THEY'RE SCRAPING BY AND WORRY WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY IN BUSINESS.

SHOULD WE HAVE A SIMILAR LAW IN NEW YORK?

>> SIMPLE ANSWER I WOULD SAY IS NO.

TO BE CLEAR, THERE ARE WINNERS FOR MINIMUM WAGE INCREASES, THOSE WORKERS THAT KEEP THEIR JOBS AND DON'T HAVE THEIR HOURS SIGNIFICANTLY CUT, CERTAINLY GAIN.

BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOSERS AS WELL.

WORKERS THAT EITHER LOSE THEIR JOB OR HAVE THEIR HOURS CUT SIGNIFICANTLY LOSE.

YOU MENTION THE FRANCHISE WORKERS, MUCH OF THE FOCUS IN CALIFORNIA HAS BEEN ON McDONALD'S AND BURGER KING AND VERY WEALTHY CORPORATIONS.

WELL, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY GOING TO BE BURDENED WITH THIS ARE NOT THE CORP RAILGT-- THE CORPORATIONS BUT THE OWNERS OF THE FRANCHISES AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SMALL FRANCHISES, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST DONALD'S AND BURGER KING THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE CONSUMERS THAT LOSE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THIS IS GOING TO MEAN HIGHER PRICES.

TWO THINGS THAT BOTHER ME WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

FIRST, THE INCREASE IS SO LARGE FROM $16 TO $20, THAT'S A 25% INCREASE.

BUT THE THING THAT REALLY BOTH BOTHERS ME IS WHY ARE WE ISOLATING ONLY ON FAST FOOD WORKERS?

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOW INCOME GROUPS, WHETHER IT BE HOME HEALTH AIDES, DAYCARE CENTER WORKERS, GROCERY STORE EMPLOYEES.

WHY ARE THEY NOT BEING COVERED?

I REALLY WORRY ABOUT A LAW THAT FOCUSES ON ONE SMALL GROUP.

MY SON WORKED FOR McDONALD'S LAST SUMMER.

WHY DOES HE NEED A $20 AN HOUR JOB?

I THINK THERE ARE MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS OF DEALING WITH EITHER CORPORATIONS THAT ARE MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY OR LOW INCOME WORKERS THAT ARE HEADS OF HOUSEHOLDS.

>> THE IDEA IS NOT TO GO AFTER THE CORPORATIONS BUT TO RAISE THE PEOPLE THAT-- AND NOT LIKE YOUR SON, BUT SOMEONE WHO HAS IT FOR A SUMMER JOB BUT PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON THESE FOR THEIR FULL TIME JOBS.

>> THERE ARE MUCH BETTER WAYS OF TARGETING THOSE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THE HELP.

>> LUKE.

>> THINKING OF THOSE PEOPLE, I DID MANUAL LABOR FOR MANY YEARS.

AND I REMEMBER ONE PARTICULAR JOB WHERE I UNLOADED TRUCKS FOR MINIMUM WAGE AND I MADE $200 A WEEK.

AND EVERY MORNING I GOT ON THE TRAIN AND THOUGHT TO MYSELF, WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING?

WHY AM I BREAKING MY BACK?

BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY JOB COULD I GET TO SUPPORT MYSELF AND AT THAT TIME I HAD HELP FROM MY PARENTS WHICH EVERYBODY ELSE I WORKED WITH DID NOT.

I MEAN IT'S SO DEHUMANIZING FOR WORKERS WHO ARE IN THOSE POSITIONS.

I'VE ALSO WORKED IN THE FOOD INDUSTRY AND GOT STIFFED WHEN I WAS FLIPPING HAM BURKERS ON THE BEACH IN A PART-TIME JOB AND THE LOCAL BUSINESS PERSON DECIDEDDED NOT TO PAY US AND THEN WHEN WE TALKED TO HIM, LOCKED HIMSELF IN A MEAT LOCKER SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH US.

THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN.

I REALLY FEEL FOR THE WORKERS.

YOU RAISE GOOD APPOINTS IN TERMS OF THE LARGER IMPLICATIONS IN THINKING ABOUT THIS HOLISTICALLY BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT MINIMUM WAGE FEDERALLY IN MANY STATES, IT'S TOO LOW AND NEEDS TO CHANGE.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE PROGRESS MADE ON THAT FRONT.

>> TARA, WE COULD SEE RESTAURANTS THEMSELVES WORKING THE NUMBER OF WORKERS?

THERE IS A LOT OF OUGHT MAKE ALREADY.

ORDER YOUR BURGER KING BY PUSHING A SCREEN.

THERE COULD BE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE WORKERS.

>> I THINK THERE ABSOLUTELY WILL BE.

IF YOU LISTENED OR WATCHED ANY OF THE VIDEO FROM THE FRANCHISEE EMPLOYERS, EVEN JUST SOME OF THE SMALLER RESTAURANTS THAT AREN'T SURE, QUITE FRANKLY, IF THEY'RE PART OF THIS OR NOT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONSISTENTLY KEPT COMING UP WELL, I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT USING MORE A.I.

OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT EVER FRANCHISE I'M WITH, THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED TALKING TO US ABOUT USING MORE A.I.

I SEE THAT GOING.

ONE EMPLOYER, I BELIEVE IT WAS BURGER KING BUT I DON'T REMEMBER FOR SURE, SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT HE ENVISIONED WITHIN A YEAR, THAT THE PERSON YOU WERE SPEAKING TO IN THE DRIVE DRIVE-THRU WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE A HYMAN.

I ABSOLUTELY SEE MORE A.I.

BEING USED.

YOU KNOW, WITH A.I.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DAYS OFF.

YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO WORRY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER SOMEBODY SHOWS UP LATE FOR A SHIFT.

ONCE THIS TREND STARTS, IT'S ONLY GOING TO CONTINUE.

ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THE KIOSKS, I HOPE EVERYONE IS PAYING ATTENTION, WHILE THIS IS A CALIFORNIA LAW, AND WE ARE QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD OCCUR IN NEW YORK, THAT INCREASE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE NATIONWIDE.

I JUST HAPPEN TO NOTICE ONE OF THE FAST FOOD PLACES I GO TO AND I WON'T NAME THEM, WITHIN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, INCREASED THEIR PRICES ABOUT 10 CENTS TO 20 CENTS ON ALMOST EVERYTHING.

>> AND NEW YORK DOES HAVE A LAW THAT WENT INTO EFFECT THE SAME DAY, MANDATING $20 AN HOUR-- NEW YORK CITY DOES-- EXCUSE ME, FOR DELIVERY WORKERS.

NINA.

>> JUMP IN THERE.

>> DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A LAW LIKE THIS?

>> I'M SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT LUKE SAID; THAT THIS IS ABOUT ECONOMIC JUSTICE.

AND SO WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY, ESPECIALLY FOR LOW SKILLED WORKERS, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND TO DO IT WITH DIGNITY AND INTEGRITY.

AND I'M INCLINED, ALSO, TO RICK'S THOUGHTS ABOUT AN ALTERNATIVE, SUCH AS UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME OR PERHAPS EVEN CASH PAYMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE MORE TARGETED; HOWEVER, AS TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL, WE DON'T HAVE TO GUESSTIMATE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE NATIONAL REVIEW ACTUALLY REPORTED ON A STUDY THAT WAS COMMISSIONED BY WEST HOLLYWOOD, WHICH HAD MOVED INITIALLY TO JUST PROVIDING, I THINK IT WAS $17 MINIMUM WAGE FOR HOTEL WORKERS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY EXPANDED THAT TO OTHER INDUSTRIES.

AND SO ALL OF THE EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT WILL LIKELY HAPPEN ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN THERE.

IN PARTICULAR, BUSINESSES SLASHED HOURS FOR 17% OF WORKERS THEY CLOSED SHOP AND THEY LAID OFF 20% OF WORKERS AND ONE THIRD OF THEM TURNED TO TECHNOLOGY ORDERING AT THE KIOSK.

>> I WOULD BE CAREFUL.

THAT WAS COMMISSIONED BY A POLITICAL ENTITY THAT WAS AGAINST THIS.

I WANT TO SEE THE ACADEMIC STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS SEEMED A LITTLE BIT EXTREME, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS... >> AND AUTOMATION IS COMING REGARDLESS.

I CAN'T GET MY HEAD AROUND SYSTEMATICALLY PAYING UNDERPAYING PEOPLE FOR MANUAL LABOR BECAUSE OF PERCEIVED ECONOMIC EFFECTS.

>> SO MAYBE THE MINIMUM WAGE SHOULD GO UP FOR ALL WORKERS.

>> NATIONAL IS AT 7:25 WHICH IS CRAZY BUT $20 AN HOUR IS $40,000 A YEAR.

THAT'S WELL ABOVE-- >> THAT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY THESE DAYS.

>> AND SOMEBODY IS GOING HAVE TO PAY.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOUNG MEN ARE FROM MARS AND WOMEN FROM VENUS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS, THEY DO SEEM TO BE FROM DIFFERENT PLANETS.

IN THE U.S. AND OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, YOUNG WOMEN ARE RAPIDLY BECOMING MORE LIBERAL THAN YOUNG MEN.

IN THE 2022 MIDTERM ELECTIONS, 74% OF YOUNG WOMEN VOTED FOR THE DEMOCRAT, BUT ONLY 54% OF YOUNG MEN DID.

IN EUROPE, A SURVEY FROM THE ECONOMIST MAGAZINE FOUND MORE YOUNG MEN THAN OLDER MEN FEEL FEMINISM HAS GONE TOO FAR.

TARA, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

IS THIS JUST POLITICIANS STOKING GRIEVANCE OR THERE IS SOMETHING MORE FUNDAMENTAL?

>> THERE IS SOMETHING DEFINITELY MORE FUNDAMENTAL.

ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT, AS WE HAVE SEEN THE SURGE IN JUST SIMPLY LGBTQ RIGHTS IN GENERAL AND THEY'RE MUCH MORE AWARE, YOU HAVE MORE YOUNG WOMEN IDENTIFYING AS THAT.

YOU ALSO HAVE A REAL GROWING SENSE AMONG YOUNG MEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT COLLEGE, THEN WHAT ELSE IS THERE FOR THEM.

WE DON'T HAVE A MILITARY THAT JUST AUTOMATICALLY TAKES EVERYONE ANYMORE.

AND SO I THINK YOUNG MEN HAVE A REAL LACK OF A SENSE OF CLEAR GENDER AND SOCIAL ROLES.

AND RULES QUITE FRANKLY.

SO BOTH GENDER ROLES AND SOCIAL ROLES AND ALSO ITSELF RULES OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ONE GENDER VERSUS ANOTHER.

HOW YOU INTERACT WITH ONE GENDER VERSUS ANOTHER.

I THINK THERE IS A REAL SENSE AMONG YOUNG MEN OF A LOSS OF DIRECTION, A LOSS OF FOCUS.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, A LOSS OF VALUE IN SOCIETY.

>> SO WHAT, OTHER THAN THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, MIGHT BE BEHIND THIS DIVERGENCE OF OPINIONS, LUKE?

>> WELL, I MEAN THINKING FROM AN AMERICAN POLITICS ELECTORAL PERSPECTIVE, THE GENDER GAP HAS GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY IN TERMS OF VOTING PATTERNS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, JOHN KERRY ONLY GOT 51% OF THE VOTE FROM WOMEN IN 2004, BESTING GEORGE W. BUSH BY THREE POINTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES TO MIND IS HOW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS MOVED INTO A DIRECTION THAT DOES NOT APPEAL TO YOUNG WOMEN.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ISSUES LIKE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND ISSUES LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE, THEY'RE OUT OF STEP.

AND I THINK AS SOMEONE WHO THINKS THERE IS VALUE TO HAVING A STRONG MODERATE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, THAT'S TROUBLING FOR AMERICAN POLITICS.

>> AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT WOMEN ARE GOING TO COLLEGE AT HIGHER RATES THAN MEN AND WE KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY, PEOPLE WITH A COLLEGE EDUCATION HAVE BEEN MORE LIBERAL THAN THOSE WITHOUT.

SO I THINK THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THIS AS WELL.

>> YEAH, I THINK, IN ADDITION TO ALL OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, THERE IS ALSO JUST THE BASIC FACT THAT WOMEN LIVE GENDERED EXPERIENCES.

WOMEN ARE MORE LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE UNEQUAL PAY IN THE WORKFORCE, TO EXPERIENCE THE GLASS CEILING DISCRIMINATION AND, OF COURSE, THE OTHER REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AS WELL.

AND SO THE EXPERIENCES LEAD WOMEN TO HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS.

AND AS LUKE POINTED OUT, IT'S THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT SPEAKS MOST POWERFULLY TO THOSE VIEWS, WHICH IS WHY THE JEND ARE GAP IN ELECTORAL POLITICS HAS LEANED IN FAVOR OF DEMOCRATS.

>> SO WOMEN ARE VOTING DEMOCRATIC BECAUSE THE PARTY IS ADDRESSING THEM AND THAT'S MORE THAN ISSUE THAN SOMEHOW TURNING OFF MEN.

>> WELL, I THINK THESE MEN ARE FEELING AS IF THEY'RE VICTIMS.

AND WHO PLAYS THE BIGGEST VICTIM TODAY?

IT'S DONALD TRUMP.

SO I THINK PART OF THIS IS THEY'RE ALSO GRAVITATING TO SOMEONE WHO IS REINFORCING THEIR VIEW OF THE UNFAIR WORLD.

I THINK YOUNG MALES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, USED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO EARN A LOT OF MONEY BY USING THEIR MUSCLE RATHER THAN THEIR BRAIN.

AND THAT'S GOING AWAY.

SOCIALLY THEY'RE LOSING THEIR ADVANTAGE AS FEMINISM IS BECOMING MORE ACCEPTED.

SO THEY'RE FEELING VICTIMIZED AND WHO IS PLAYING ON THAT?

PEOPLE LIKE JOE ROGUE AN AND DONALD TRUMP AND THE LIKE.

>> THE VICTIMIZATION AS THEY'RE THINKING OF IT IS REALLY ABOUT WOMEN BECOMING MORE EQUAL IN AND OUR SOCIETY BECOMING MORE INCLUSIVE.

THAT NECESSARILY MEANS THEY HAVE TO LOSE THEIR ADVANTAGE.

AND I'M NOT CRYING A RIVER FOR MEN JUST YET.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

>> WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT RIGHT THERE AND MOVE TO OUR As AND Fs AND NINA, WE'LL BEGIN WITH YOUR F. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO HERE WE GO WITH THIS SUN ONE SEVERAL LAWMAKERS HATCHED A PLAN TO ATTEND THE HUSH MONEY TRIAL.

THEY DID IT AS A SHOW OF SOLIDARITY TO SHOW THAT THEY WERE WITH HIM AND YET I THINK IT ALSO SHOWS THEIR WILLINGNESS TO MUDDY THEIR OWN IMAGE JUST LIKE THE YELLOW LABRADOR IN THIS VIDEO CLIP WHO IS ENJOYING MUD.

>> OKAY.

LUKE.

YOU ARE NEXT.

>> WHERE DO YOU GO FROM THERE.

>> MY F TO THE MOHAWK VALLEY HEALTH SYSTEM.

OPEN HEART SURGERIES THIS WEEK AT WYNNE HOSPITAL AT UTICA WERE STOPPED AFTER STATE REGULATORS RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT TWO SURGEONS.

THIS IS SCARY AND I'M GLAD IT SEEMS TO BE ADDRESSED QUICKLY SO FAR.

>> TARA.

>> MY F GOES TO THE CENTRAL NEW YORK REGIONAL MARKET BOARD AND ITS OFFICIALS FOR ITS POOR FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT EFFORT REGIONAL MARKET.

A REGIONAL TOURIST TREASURE AND SOURCE OF LOCAL FRESH FOOD, THE REGIONAL MARKET NEEDS AN INFUSION OF FRESH MINDS WHO UNDERSTAND THE REAL ECONOMIC NEEDS OF THE MARKET AND WHO HAVE A CLEAR WORKABLE PLAN FOR ITS GROWTH.

>> RICK, YOUR F. >> MY F GOES TO JUSTICE ALITO, IN JANUARY 2021, FOLLOWING THE RIOT AT THE CAPITOL AN UPSIDE DOWN FLAG, A SYMBOL OF THE STOP THE STEAL MOVEMENT WAS AT HIS RESIDENCE.

ANOTHER EVIDENCE OFETH ETHICAL LAPSE THE COURT HAS BEEN GUILTY OF.

>> YOUR A.

>> FOR 2,000 YEARS IT WAS BELIEVED THAT PROOFS OF THE BYING THAT RUM THEERM WAS IMPOSSIBLE UNTIL THEY WERE CHALLENGED TO CREATE A NEW PROOF.

THE TEACHER EXPECT STUDENTS TO SOLVE IT BUT $500 IN PRIZE MONEY INCENTIVIZED TWO SENIORS, TO TO DO JUST THAT.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM BOTH.

>> AND YOUR A-- EXCUSE ME, LUKE.

YOUR A.

>> NO PROBLEM.

>> MY A GOES TO A NEW $200 MILLION STATE CONTRACT THAT IS PART OF THE I-81 REBUILD.

THIS CONTRACT WAS AWARDED TO A LOCAL BUSINESS HERE IN SYRACUSE.

>> NOW IT'S YOUR TURN, TARA.

>> MY A GOES TO A.C. HOLLAND, III EIGHTH GRADER AT.

WHEN HE SAW HIS BUS DRIVER MISS A TURN AND START SPEEDING.

HE KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG.

HE CHECKED TO SEE IF THE DRIVER WAS OKAY.

SHE IN FACT WAS UNCONSCIOUS AND HE TOOK THE WHEEL, WAS ABLE TO PULL THE BUS OVER AND STOP IT.

HE THEN CALLED 91 IS.

TOLD HIS CLASSMATES TO CALL THEIR PARENTS AND LET THEIR PARENTS KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND THAT THEY WERE OKAY AND THEN HE, ONCE THE BUS WAS COMPLETELY STOPPED, GOT OFF THE BUS, MUST HAVE BEEN CLOSE ENOUGH TO HOME, RAN HOME, GOT HIS GRANDMOTHER WHO WAS A NURSE AND BROUGHT HER BACK SO SHE COULD CHECK THE BUS DRIVER.

>> AND RICK, YOUR A.

>> GOES TO DONALD TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN FOR AGREEING TO TWO PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.

THEY STILL MAY TURN OUT TO BE A CIRCUS BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO SEE THE TWO CANDIDATES TOGETHER ON THE SAME STAGE.

>> FOR A MINUTE THERE I THOUGHT YOU WERE GIVING AN A TO DONALD TRUMP.

>> YOU KNOW ME A LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT.

>> NINA THE TWO YOUNG WOMEN WHO CAME UP WITH THE PROOF USING TRIGONOMETRY, I WATCHED THAT ENTIRE VIDEO.

I CAME ACROSS THAT ARTICLE MYSELF, AND THE SCHOOL THAT THEY GO TO, I THINK THEY SAID 100% HIGH SCHOOL IN NEW ORLEANS CATHOLIC SCHOOL FOR GIRLS.

>> YES.

AND PRIMARILY STUDENTS OF COLOR AND SO THEY ALL GO MOST OF THEM GET AT LEAST A HALF OR FULL RIDE TO COLLEGE.

BOTH OF THESE STUDENTS DID AS WELL.

HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT MAJORING IN MATH.

THIS WAS JUST A FLUKE FOR THEM.

ONE IS GOING INTO PHARMACY AND THE OTHER ENGINEERING.

>> WELL, ENGINEERING, SHE WILL BE USING MATH IN ENGINEERING.

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