>>> THE REPORTER WAS INTERVIEWING A SUPPORTER, A TRUMP SUPPORTER FROM EASTERN KENTUCKY.

AND SHE SAID WE FINALLY HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT SPEAKS, OR THINKS AND SPEAKS AS I DO.

THAT TOLD ME EVERYTHING THAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.

AND MARK, VERY CLOSE TO THAT, IN MENTIONING HIS FACULTIES OF APPEAL, ISSUES THAT PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO, AND I AGREE.

LATELY THIS WHOLE THING, WHICH IS BY THE WAY A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON OF THE STRONGMAN -- SEEMS TO RESONATE WITH A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION IN OHIO.

>> SHE FAMOUSLY SAID THAT REPORTERS TOOK HIM LITERALLY BUT NOT SERIOUSLY AND HIS VOTERS TOOK HIM SERIOUSLY BUT NOT LITERALLY.

AND THAT CONTINUES TO BE TRUE.

>>> WHAT'S BEHIND TRUMP'S HOLD ON OHIO?

>>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

AFTER THIS YEAR'S REPUBLICAN PRIMARY THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT THAT OHIO REMAINS FIRMLY TRUMP COUNTRY.

HIS ENDORSEMENT OF BERNIE MORENO LED TO THE CLEVELAND BUSINESSMAN'S LANDSIDE PRIMARY VICTORY.

LAST TWO TIMES TRUMP WAS ON THE BALLOT IN OHIO HE WON BY HALF 1 MILLION VOTES AND EIGHT PERCENTAGE POINTS.

HE DOMINATES ALL BUT THE URBAN COUNTIES.

HIS OPPONENTS ARE BAFFLED BY TRUMP'S LASTING APPEAL.

OF COURSE IS ARDENT SUPPORTERS ARE BAFFLED BY THE APPEAL OF JOE BIDEN.

MARK WEAVER, IT HAS BEEN NINE YEARS SINCE HE BECAME A CANDIDATE.

AND HE IS STILL A STRONG PERSONALITY, A DOMINANT POLITICAL FORCE.

WHAT IS THE APPEAL HERE IN OHIO?

>> FOR SOME CANDIDATES YOU HAVE TO -- >>> WHAT'S BEHIND TRUMP'S HOLD ON OHIO?

WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

AFTER THIS YEAR'S REPUBLICAN PRIMARY THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT THAT OHIO REMAINS FIRMLY TRUMP COUNTRY.

'S ENDORSEMENT OF BERNIE MORENO WENT TO THE CLEVELAND BUSINESSMAN'S LANDSIDE PRIMARY VICTORY.

THE LAST TWO TIMES TRUMP WAS ON THE BALLOT IN OHIO HE WON BY A HALF 1 MILLION VOTES AND EIGHT PERCENTAGE POINTS.

HE DOMINATES ALL BUT THE URBAN COUNTIES.

HIS OPPONENTS ARE BAFFLED BY TRUMP'S LASTING APPEAL.

OF COURSE HIS ARDENT SUPPORTERS ARE BAFFLED BY THE APPEAL OF JOE BIDEN.

MARK WEAVER, IT HAS BEEN NINE YEAR'S SINCE HE BECAME A AND HE STILL IS A STRONG PERSONALITY.

A DOMINANT FORCE.

WHAT IS THE APPEAL, ESPECIALLY IN OHIO?

>> FOR SOME CANDIDATES YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF READING ABOUT THEM, FIND OTHER POSITIONS.

THIS CANDIDATE WAS THE START OF THE NUMBER ONE REALITY SHOW IN THE COUNTRY.

MOST AMERICANS FELT THAT THEY KNEW HIM.

AND HE WAS PRESIDENT FOR FOUR YEAR'S AND THEY GOT A CHANCE TO KNOW HIM.

WE ARE LARGELY DIVIDED AND SOME DON'T LIKE HIS CUPPA TEA AND SOME LOVE IT.

IN OHIO WE HAVE MORE OF THE VOTERS THAT THINK THE BOLD, SAY WHAT YOU THINK COMES TO MIND IS WHAT OHIO NEEDS.

HE IS LIKELY TO WIN THIS YEAR.

HE HAS WON TWICE.

>> DOES HE TAP INTO AND ANGER AMONGST THE VOTERS IN OHIO?

HE IS SORT OF A NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNER.

>> HE HAS A BLUNT, BOLD FORCE, SPEAKING OUT FOR WHAT MANY PEOPLE THINK IS A MESSED UP ARE CONSTANTLY IN DEBT.

WHERE WE ARE NOT RESPECTED AROUND THE WORLD.

WHERE WE HAVE HOSTAGES IN THE MIDDLE EAST WE CANNOT GET OUT.

WE HAVE HIGH PRICES AT THE STORES AND A LOT OF FOLKS, TOO A LOT OF THEM IT SOUNDS LIKE JIMMY CARTER.

FOR THOSE OF US THAT REMEMBER THE CARTER YEAR'S.

EVEN HIS OPPONENTS WILL ACKNOWLEDGE NOBODY IS TELLING HIM WHAT TO SAY.

>> JOE, HOW DO YOU VIEW THIS?

>> I HAD THE ANSWER TO THIS THE DAY AFTER THE 2016 ELECTION.

THANKS TO WOSU.

I WAS LISTENING TO THE REPORT THE NEXT DAY AND THE JOURNALIST WAS INTERVIEWING A REPORTER FROM KENTUCKY.

AND SHE SAID WE FINALLY HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT SPEAKS OR THAT THINKS AND SPEAKS AS I DO.

THAT TOLD ME EVERYTHING THAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.

AND MARK, VERY CLOSE TO THAT IN MENTIONING HIS LIST OF FACULTIES , OF APPEAL, ISSUES CAN RELATE TO, AND I AGREE.

LATELY, THIS WHOLE THING WHICH IS , BY THE WAY, WILD , WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON OF THE AUTHORITY FIGURE, WHICH SEEMS TO REST WITH THE LARGE OVULATION OF OHIO AND WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA.

>> SHE FAMOUSLY SAID THAT REPORTERS TOOK HIM LITERALLY BUT NOT SERIOUSLY AND HIS VOTERS TOOK HIM SERIOUSLY BUT NOT LITERALLY.

THAT CONTINUES TO BE TRUE.

>> TO THAT POINT, FAMOUSLY IN 2017 HE TOLD THE CROWD IN YOUNGSTOWN THAT ALL OF THE MANUFACTURING JOBS FROM FACTORIES THAT WERE EMPTY WERE COMING BACK.

DON'T SELL YOUR HOME'S.

ALL OF THESE JOBS ARE COMING BACK.

NOW THE JOBS BASICALLY STAGNATED WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT.

COVID-19 INTERFERED OF COURSE BUT HE DID NOT FULFILL THAT PROMISE.

BUT IT DID NOT HURT HIM.

INFECTED CUT MORE VOTES NEXT TIME ON THE BALLOT.

TO STYLE OVER SUBSTANCE.

TRUMP HAS A STYLE THAT A LOT OF OHIOANS LIKE, NO NONSENSE, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK KIND OF STYLE.

NO PUSSYFOOTING AROUND.

YOU KNOW, NO JUST HANGING ON AND SAYING WHATEVER SOUNDS POLITICALLY CORRECT.

AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT.

>> AND WHAT ABOUT JANUARY 6th?

EVEN HIS PRETTY STRONG SUPPORTERS, SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF HIM AND SAID OKAY THIS WAS A BRIDGE TOO FAR.

THAT IS NOT HURT HIT HIM IN THE STATE.

>> SOME PEOPLE SAID HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT TWO HOURS EARLIER.

YOU BREAK THE LAW AND GO TO JAIL.

LET'S NOT HAVE A RULE THAT SAYS YOU RAKE THE LINE ONE PARTY AND GO TO JAIL, AND YOU BREAK THE LAW IN ANOTHER PARTY AND DON'T.

IS THE CONSISTENCY AND HYPOCRISY THAT RESONATES WITH TRUMP VOTERS.

>> PLENTY OF DEMOCRATS GO TO JAIL FOR BREAKING THE LAW.

THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THE TRUMP LITANY OF ACCIDENT WORDS THAT HAVE RESULTED IN THE LEGAL PROBLEMS THAT HAVE RIGHT NOW, HE SAT RIGHT OUT THERE IN THE OPEN AND WE SAW THESE THINGS HAPPENING LIVE.

AND IN MANY INSTANCES ON CAMERA.

THAT IS ASTOUNDING.

>> OHIO IS NOT A WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT THAN MICHIGAN OR PENNSYLVANIA.

PENNSYLVANIA HAS PHILADELPHIA, AN EASTERN CITY.

BUT IT IS A CLOSER RACE OF MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, THEN IN OHIO.

WHY IS THAT?

>> WE STIFLE IT.

--THE RURAL PARTS OF THE STATE WERE MORE DEMOCRAT AND THAT HAS NOW.

WHAT I TELL PEOPLE IS COUNTRY CLUBS OF 20 YEARS AGO, THE CARS OUT FRONT WITH THE BEAMER'S AND THE MERCEDES, THEY HAD REPUBLICAN STICKERS.

AND THEN THE CARS OUTBACK, THE OLDER MODELS, THEY HAD DEMOCRAT STICKERS.

AND THAT IS SWITCHED NOW.

THE PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE COUNTRY CLUB HAVE THE REPUBLICAN STICKERS.

WE HAVE SEEN THE SWITCH IN OUR LIFETIME.

IT HAS BEEN REMARKABLE.

>> HOW MUCH DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE STRUGGLES OF THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT BIDEN HAS JUST WRITTEN OFF OHIO?

>> WALLACE BIDEN HAS WRITTEN OFF OHIO IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE OF RECENT HISTORY.

REGARDING OHIO VOTING.

NOW SOME OF THAT MAY IN FACT HAVE ORIGINATED FROM GERRYMANDERING AND OTHER POLITICAL EXPERIMENTS, QUOTE UNQUOTE, THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED THE PAST 20, 25 YEARS.

THAT MIGHT CHANGE.

IT DID IN MICHIGAN.

THE GERRYMANDERING WAS PUT UP TO PUBLIC INPUT.

AND I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN.

>> NEXT TOPIC, THE STATE OF OHIO HAS HAD TERM LIMITS FOR BASICALLY ALLSTATE ELECTED LEADERS ARE LIMITED TO EIGHT YEARS IN OFFICE.

THEY HAVE TO RUN FOR A NEW OFFICE AFTER EIGHT YEARS OR FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK.

NOW THREE DECADES LATER SOME QUESTION WHETHER TERM LIMITS ARE PRODUCING BETTER GOVERNMENT AND LAWMAKING.

FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER LARRY HOUSEHOLDER WANTED TO SCRAP OR EXTEND THEM.

CURRENT HOUSE SPEAKER JASON STEPHENS FLOATED THE IDEA IN DECEMBER.

IN LAST WEEK'S SENATE RESIDENT MATT HOFFMAN AGREED THAT CHANGES TO OHIO'S TERM LIMIT AMENDMENT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.

JO INGLES, THE LEADERS SEEM TO WANTED ARE THEY READY TO PUT IT BACK ON THE BALLOT?

>> IT WAS COMPLETED.

IT WOULD REQUIRE VOTERS TO TAKE ACTION.

SO WHETHER THE LAWMAKERS WANT TO PUT THEIR NECK OUT THERE TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT IS ANOTHER QUESTION.

IF YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC POLLING, VOTERS STILL LIKE THE IDEA OF TERM LIMITS.

THEY REALLY DO.

SO IF YOU ARE A LAWMAKER ARE YOU GOING TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THAT YOU KNOW THE VOTERS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO DEFEAT?

AND YOU ARE GOING TO USE POLITICAL CAPITAL DOING THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT IS A BIG QUESTION.

>> IS IT AUTOMATIC DEFEAT?

>> YOU KNOW IN THE POLLING IT IS AMAZING, 87% OF THE PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK TERM LIMITS ARE A GOOD IDEA.

SOME THINK IT SHOULD BE ONE AND OUT.

BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU IS THAT THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH OVERALL, WITH THE SYSTEMS.

SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE MAYBE HAPPY WITH THEIR INDIVIDUAL REPRESENTATIVE WHO MAY KNOW AND THEY SEE AT CHURCH ON SUNDAY AND SO ON.

BUT NOT WITH THE OVERALL SYSTEM.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT I PERSONALLY THINK TERM LIMITS WERE A BAD IDEA.

NOT BECAUSE IT EMPOWERS THE ADMINISTRATION TO FIX , THAT IT IS NONPARTISAN, BUT BECAUSE IT EMPOWERS THE LOBBYISTS.

THEY ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW.

>> MARK, INSTEAD OF SCRAPPING IT, SO YOU CAN CHANGE IT, 16 YEARS TOTAL BUT CANNOT COME BACK AND SWITCH HOUSES, SWITCH CHAMBERS.

16 YEARS TOTAL.

WOULD EXTENDING THEM A LITTLE BIT BUT NOT SCRAPPING THEM, COULD YOU SELL THAT?

>> IT FEELS LIKE THE GOLDILOCKS SOLUTION.

I WAS A YOUNG CONSULTANT AND LAWYER IN D.C.

IN 1992, AND THAT IS WHEN TERM LIMITS WAS PASSED.

I REMEMBER THEM LAMENTING IT.

THE PROBLEM THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SOLVE WAS THAT IT TOOK 30 YEARS TO BECOME SENATE PRESIDENT AND SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

NOW WE ARE AT THE OTHER END AND PEOPLE COME IN AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AND LEAVE QUICKLY.

WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING TO THE EXTENT THAT IT COULD BE PASSED IS PROBABLY THE JUST RIGHT.

>> OKAY SO THIS COULD REALLY BE COMPLICATED AND THAT IS A PROBLEM.

THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE CAN ONLY SERVE EIGHT YEARS.

THE SENATE PRESIDENT CAN ONLY SPEAK EIGHT YEARS LIKE THE GOVERNOR AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

HAVE TERM LIMITS THERE.

SORT OF A LAUNDRY LIST.

>> YOU WANT SENIORITY.

SO LEGISLATORS KNOW HOW TO PASS THE BUDGET AND THE CAPITAL BUILDING AND GET THINGS DONE.

BUT NOT SO MUCH THAT YOUNG, NEW IDEAS CANNOT MAKE ITS WAY BACK TO THE FOREFRONT.

>> PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT THAT IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

>> WHO WOULD FUND THAT BALLOT?

THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

THEN WE GET IN THE HOUSE AND YOU GET PROBLEMS.

>>> LARRY HOUSEHOLDER COULD BE HEADING BACK TO COURT, BACK BEFORE ANOTHER JURY.

THE FORMER SPEAKER IS SERVING A 20 YEAR PRISON SENTENCE AFTER HIS FEDERAL RACKETEERING CONVICTION.

NOW HE FACES 10 STATE CHARGES, INCLUDING THOUGHTS OF THEFT, THEFT AND OFFICE, FRONT AND MONEY-LAUNDERING.

ATTORNEY GENERAL DAVE YOST SAYS A CONVICTION WILL PREVENT HIM FROM HOLDING OFFICE EVEN IF A COURT OVERTURNS HIS FEDERAL CONNECTION.

>> EVEN IF MR. HOUSEHOLDER'S FEDERAL APPEAL IS SUCCESSFUL, A CONVICTION ON STATE CHARGES IN STATE COURT FOR THE THEFT IN OFFICE MEANS THE "COMEBACK KID" WILL NEVER COME BACK TO THE >> THE INDICTMENT COMES AFTER THE STATE CHARGED FIRST ENERGY EXECUTIVES AND FORMER STATE UTILITIES COMMISSION CHAIR SAM RANDAZZO FOR THEIR ROLES IN THE NUCLEAR BAILOUT SCANDAL.

>> THERE IS A DOCTRINE CALLED THE DUAL SOVEREIGN DOCTRINE THAT SAYS IT IS NOT A DOUBLE JEOPARDY PROBLEM TO HAVE THE HETERO GOVERNMENT PURSUE FEDERAL CHARGES IN STATE GOVERNMENT PURSUE STATE CHARGES.

ONE CHARGE, IF YOU ARE CONVICTED OF AND CAN NEVER HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE AGAIN, RECALL NOW, EVEN THOUGH THE JURY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION ON HOUSEHOLDER, I READ THE APPEALS BRIEF.

THEY RAISED INTERESTING POINTS.

IF THE CASE IS OVERTURNED AND IT WOULD GO BACK TO ANOTHER TRIAL, HOUSEHOLDER COULD BEAT FEDERAL CHARGES.

THE STATE CHARGES WOULD BE THE BACKUP TO THAT AND ENSURE THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR HIS ACTIONS IN OFFICE.

>> IF CONVICTED OF BOTH AND THE OTHER CONVICTION STANDS, WHEN HE SERVED THE SENTENCES CONCURRENTLY?

WOULD THEY BE BACK TO BACK?

>> YES, HE COULD SERVE THEM CONCURRENTLY, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE JUDGE IF THAT WAS THE CASE.

A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS ARE F1, SUBSTANTIAL , THE MAN IS YEARS OLD AND HE IS ALREADY LOOKING AT 20.

SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN.

I THINK MARK IS CORRECT, IF IT IS SENT BACK OR RETRIED.

YOU KNOW, IF HE ACCEPTS A DEAL OR WHATEVER THAT HAPPENED TO BE.

AND YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ORIGINALLY THAT WHEN I FIRST HEARD THAT THEY WERE ADVANCING THIS, THAT IT WAS OVERKILL.

BUT WHEN I SAW THE ACTUAL COUNTS, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK THEY KIND OF HAD TO DO IT.

>> DAVE YOST IS IN AN ODD POSITION.

HE KIND OF KEPT QUIET WHEN IT WAS GOING THROUGH WITH TEXT MESSAGES THAT WERE OUT IN THE TRIAL THAT ONE REASON HE KEPT QUIET WAS THAT HE HAD RECEIVED DONATIONS FROM FIRSTENERGY, THE COMPANY INVOLVED.

POLITICALLY WHERE DOES THIS MEAN FOR HIM, DO YOU THINK?

COULD HE BE IMPARTIAL?

CAN HE PROSECUTE THIS AS THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF THE STATE?

>> THAT IS THE GOLDEN AND IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.

SOME SAY HE CANNOT BE IMPARTIAL BECAUSE OF HIS PAST DEALINGS.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHO RECEIVED MONEY FROM HB 6, THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE RECEIVING MONEY FROM THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER HE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS AND DO IT IMPARTIALLY.

I AM SURE THAT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE POT SHOTTING HIM ALL ALONG THE WAY THOUGH.

>> WE SEE ON A FEDERAL LEVEL, MARK, WHEN THE FEDERAL PRESIDENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL CHARGES, THERE IS ALSO ACCUSATIONS OF POLITICS INVOLVED.

IS THERE ANY WAY AROUND THAT?

>> NO, THIS IS A REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY GENERAL PROSECUTING A FORMER REPUBLICAN --HE WAS THE PROSECUTOR AND EVERYONE AGREED THAT HE DID A GREAT JOB UP THERE.

HE DID NOT HAVE TO BRING THESE CHARGES, HE DID, I THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

>> REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL REPUBLICAN TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY.

>> IT IS OBLIGATED IN THERE COULD BE OTHER PEOPLE CHARGED DOWN THE ROAD.

JOHN HOUSTON'S NAME CAME UP.

SOME OF THE CHARGING PAPERS WITH THE FEDERAL HAS NAMED HIM.

BUT HE IS EXECUTIVE TOO AND HOUSTON CAME UP IN THERE.

THEY COULD BE RIVALS DOWN THE ROAD.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WE ELECT OUR LEADERS IN OHIO INCLUDING EXECUTORS AND ATTORNEY GENERAL'S.

THERE WILL BE NATURAL QUESTIONS ABOUT IF PEOPLE ACT PROPERLY.

THE JURY HAS TO AGREE THAT IT WAS ALL PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

THAT IS A BACKSTOP TO ANY POLITICAL SHENANIGANS.

>> HOW LONG WILL THE STATE CHARGES, DO THEY TAKE AS LONG AS THE FEDERAL CHARGES?

TAKE FOREVER.

WILL IT BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE IT IS ALL RESOLVED?

>> IT COULD BE A YEAR AND A HALF.

>> SO THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, ANY APPEAL BASED ON THE FEDERAL COURT IS >> THERE ARE SPEEDY TRIAL APPLICATIONS OF TRIALS IN THE STATE COURT WILL MOVE FASTER THAN THE APPEALS.

>>> FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE VOTERS ENSHRINED ABORTION RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION, ADVOCATES HAVE FILED SUIT TO CHANGE STATE LAW.

THE ACLU AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD FRIDAY FILED SUIT CHALLENGING OHIO'S 24-HOUR WAITING PERIOD BEFORE A WOMAN CAN GET AN ABORTION.

THEY ARGUE THE WAITING PERIOD HAS NO HEALTH BENEFIT AND LACKS ANY MEDICAL JUSTIFICATION.

THEY SAY THE LAW NOW CLEARLY VIOLATES THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

THE SUIT ALSO CHALLENGES REQUIREMENTS THAT CLINICS PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT ABORTION ALTERNATIVES AND TEST FOR A FETAL CARDIAC ACTIVITY.

JOE, THE 24 HOUR WAITING PERIOD WAS HERE WHEN ROE V WADE WAS THE LAY OF THE LAND.

WISE THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL NOW?

>> LET ME TELL YOU, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER APPEARING ON THIS PANEL IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PASSAGE AFTER THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREED ON NIBBLING AROUND THE EDGES.

AND WE ALSO AGREED THAT THERE MIGHT BE LIKE PARENTAL CONSENT ISSUES AND SO ON.

THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE FOUND TO BE OKAY I THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

UNDERSTANDING THE POLITICAL LENIENCY OF THE SUPREME COURT.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT SURVIVE.

BUT THE ARGUMENT IS ACTUALLY VERY SIMPLE AND VERY CLEAR.

WHY?

WHY DO YOU HAVE THIS 24-HOUR PERIOD OTHER THAN TO MAKE THINGS MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE WOMAN?

>> SUPPORTERS OF THIS MOVE TO ELIMINATE THE 24 HOUR WAITING PERIOD, THE LANGUAGE APPROVED BY VOTERS MAKES THIS NOW UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

DO YOU AGREE?

>> THIS IS A BIG MONEYMAKER FOR THE ABORTION INDUSTRY.

THEY WANT TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN KILLING INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE AS THEY CAN.

IT WAS AN INTERESTING POLITICAL MOVE TO AMEND THE STATE CONSTITUTION SO WE COULD GO BACK TO THE ROE V WADE BUT THERE CANNOT BE A FEDERAL LAWSUIT ANYMORE AND IT HAS TO RESOLVES IN THE FEDERAL COURT.

I IMAGINE THEY WILL BE SYMPATHETIC TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT.

THAT IS HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

IF YOU SAY WILL BE A STATE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE, THE FINAL WORD IS THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

>> THE TIMING OF THIS, APPROVED IN NOVEMBER AND IN EFFECT IN DECEMBER AND NOW ALMOST APRIL.

WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG, THREE MONTHS, TO GET HERE?

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING THAT QUESTION.

BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS WILL BE CHALLENGED.

I MEAN THE STATE WILL COME BACK AND CHALLENGE THIS AND DEFEND THE LAW.

AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS A CERTAIN CONCERN THAT THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO GO TO THE SUPREME COURT TOO FAST.

BECAUSE THEN EVENTUALLY THAT IS WHERE THIS IS HEADED.

AND IF HE GETS UP THERE TOO FAST AND THE DEMOCRATS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, BELIEVE ME, BOTH SIDES DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, ARE GOING TO BE CAMPAIGNING THIS ISSUE HARD.

BECAUSE WHO IS ELECTED TO THE SEAT ON THE SUPREME COURT IN NOVEMBER WILL HAVE A HUGE BEARING ON THE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AMENDMENT IS APPLIED TO THERE ON OUT.

>> THERE ARE THREE INCUMBENTS RUNNING.

THE TIMING OF THIS, MARK, DOES THIS MAKE IT A BIG ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN?

IS THERE ANY CHANCE SUPREME COURT RULES AND THIS MAKES IT ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT AND THEY ROLL ON IT BEFORE VOTERS HIT THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER?

>> THEY TAKE THEIR GOOD OLD TIME IN DECIDING CASES.

IT NEVER MOVES QUICKLY UNTYPICAL CASES.

I WOULD NOT EXPECT TO SEE A RESOLUTION.

NOW TO THE EXTENT OF THE INITIAL CANDIDATES, IF THEY COULD TALK ABOUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM, THE CANDIDATES I THINK WILL BE CIRCUMSPECT.

>> WE DO HAVE RECENT HISTORY IN WISCONSIN THAT WE HAD TWO CANDIDATES, REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT, AND WERE ABLE TO CLEARLY ADVANCE THE NOTION THAT THIS IS ABOUT ABORTION.

AND THE DEMOCRAT WON.

>> THERE'S ANOTHER ADVOCATES FOR TRANS RIGHT SUIT WITH THE NEWLY ADOPTED STATE LAW.

GOES INTO EFFECT LAST MONTH AND GOES TO BE OVERWRITTEN, REALLY WAS THE STORY.

THIS WAS TWO FAMILY SING THEIR CHILDREN CANNOT GET THE CARE THEY NEED, SO THEY CHALLENGE THE STATE LAW.

WHERE DOES THAT STAND AND WHAT IS THE CHANCE OF THE APPEAL WINNING?

>> OHIO HAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN SOME OTHER STATES THAT HAVE RULED ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, SO, IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG QUESTION MARK AS TO HOW THIS GOES FROM HERE.

BUT, I THINK THE THING THAT THE COURT IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IS, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN THE DECISION BE MADE BY GOVERNMENT?

AND HOW MUCH PARENT WRITE IS THERE?

>> THE RULINGS HAVE BEEN MIXED, MISSOURI AND TEXAS HAVE PUT THE LAW ON HOLD BUT UPHELD SIMILAR LAWS IN TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY, MARK.

IS OHIO DIFFERENT THAN THE STATES, SIMILAR?

>> PART IS DRIVEN BY PUBLIC OPINION AND PUBLIC OPINION ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS AT LEAST TWO THIRDS OF AMERICANS GET IS A BAD IDEA FOR CHILDREN TO UNDERGO GENDER MUTILATION OR CHEMICAL CASTRATION.

IT WILL BE A LEGAL QUESTION AND WILL BE RESOLVED IN THE SUPREME COURT.

>> I DO NOT NECESSARILY AGREE THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE GENDER AFFIRMING CARE IS.

YOU KNOW IT BEGS THE QUESTION AS TO WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRANS ISSUES?

ONLY 0.5%, TO 1.6%, OF THE POPULATION, AMONG ALL AGES IDENTIFIES ITSELF AS TRANS.

SOMEHOW, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS IT IS A CHEAP WAY FOR POLITICIANS TO SAY I HAVE THE SAME VALUES AS YOU DO.

AND AS MARK SAID THAT THE POPULATION HAS A GENERAL IDEA, WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.

>> BOTH SIDES AS WELL.

THE LEFT IS PRETTY ADAMANT IN THEIR SUPPORT FOR TRANS RIGHTS, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE MARRIAGE ISSUE ITSELF.

>> YES.

CORRECT.

>> A LITTLE LATER.

A LITTLE WHILE SINCE TAXPAYERS WERE ASKED TO HELP BUILD A PRO SPORTS STADIUM.

I THINK THE CREW'S LOWER.COM STADIUM WAS THE LAST ONE, THAT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.

BUT NOW THE CLEVELAND BROWNS ARE LOOKING FOR A NEW OR RENOVATED HOME.

THE CURRENT STADIUM IS 25 YEARS OLD AFTER ALL.

THE TEAM OWNERS JIMMY AND DEE HASLAM SAY THE TEAM NEEDS A MAJOR STADIUM RENOVATION OR A NEW DOMED STADIUM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

THE CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER REPORTS THE BROWNS' TOP LOBBYISTS ARE LAYING THE GROUNDWORK TO ASK FOR STATE MONEY FOR THE PROJECT.

THE GOOD NEWS IS, THE BROWNS ARE NOT THREATENING TO LEAVE TOWN, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY HAPPENS.

BORN HALF BILLION DOLLARS, TWICE THE VALUE OF WHAT WAS PAID FOR THE TEAM WHEN JIMMY AND DEE HASLAM BECAME MAJORITY OWNERS.

TO HELP THEM BUILD A STADIUM OR RENOVATE THE CURRENT ONE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BE EXCITED.

I WOULD NOT USE THAT WORD.

I THINK IF YOU LISTEN TO THE GOVERNOR HE THINKS THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE IN BUILDING THESE STADIUMS BECAUSE HE THINKS THAT THEY HAVE AN ECONOMIC BENEFIT.

AND THERE IS A LOT OF LAWMAKERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE, I MIGHT ADD, WHO, YOU KNOW, THINK THAT THESE STADIUMS ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR COMMUNITIES.

AND HOW MUCH , IS THE BIG QUESTION.

THE GOVERNOR IS TELLING THEM BRING ME A PRICE TAG.

I WANT TO SEE THE NUMBER.

>> I LOVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING.

IT BETTER HAVE A DOME.

THAT IS THE ONLY THING.

I CANNOT IMAGINE HAVING A TEAM ANYWHERE AROUND LAKE ERIE WITHOUT A DOME.

>> IN 19 YEARS, BEING ON THE SHOW, I AM AGAINST GOVERNMENT PAYING FOR THINGS LIKE THIS.

BUT I WILL MAKE A DEAL WITH THE GOVERNOR, AS LONG AS TAXPAYERS GOALIE FOR THE BLUE JACKETS, I WILL MAKE THE TRADE.

>> THAT IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF CLEVELAND, BY THE AIRPORT.

>> IT CANNOT BE BUILT DOWNTOWN.

>> THE BEARS FOUND A WAY TO BUILD THEIR DOME DOWNTIME.

BUT IT COMES DOWN TO PUBLIC MONEY FOR A PRIVATE VENUE.

THE SYMPHONY ONCE A NEW SYMPHONY HALL DOWNTOWN, COLUMBUS, THEY PROMISED STATE HELP.

DOWNTOWN COLUMBUS GETS HELP FROM THE RANKIN COUNTY GOVERNMENT, IS THERE ANYTHING INHERENTLY WRONG WITH A CULTURAL OR ENTERTAINMENT OR SPORTS VENUE GETTING PUBLIC SUPPORT?

>> IT SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY THAT WE CAN DO FAR MORE THINGS AND THE BASIC ELEMENTS OF WHAT GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

IT SUGGEST WE HAVE ENOUGH POLICE PROTECTING US IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT OUR HIGHWAYS AND OUR BRIDGES ARE SAFE, AND WE HAVE SO MUCH EXTRA MONEY SITTING AROUND, LET'S DO STUFF THAT IS CHARITABLE AND >> I WAS NOT HERE WHEN THE BROWNS MOVED THE FIRST TIME OR ONLY TIME.

DOES THE HISTORY HELP THE BROWNS IN THIS CASE OR HURT THEM?

DOES THE CITY SAY OKAY, WE WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN?

OR SAY WAIT A MINUTE, YOU WON'T GO AGAIN?

>> I NOTICED ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHEN THIS CAME OUT THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF SENTIMENT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE BROWNS.

SO I THINK IT IS SCARRED , A CERTAIN POPULATION OF OHIOANS BELIEVE IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN AND THEY ARE AFRAID OF THAT.

>> TWO STADIUMS LAST MORE THAN 25 YEARS?

>> I GUESS NOT.

>> I WAS AT ONE IN ATHENS THAT WAS AROUND COUPLE THOUSAND YEARS.

IT DID NOT LOOK LIKE YOU COULD PLAY FOOTBALL GAME.

>> WILL WE EVER HAVE A 100-YEAR- OLD STADIUM AGAIN?

THEY TEAR THEM DOWN EVERY 25 YEARS.

>> MARK WEAVER, YOU ARE UP FIRST.

>> I POSTED AN ARTICLE BY CHARLES COLSON NOW DEAD, BUT A FOR THOSE WHO DON'T LEAVE JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD, REMEMBER IT ONLY TOOK A FEW WEEKS BEFORE THE WATERGATE CONSPIRATORS GIVE UP THE LIE.

JESUS' DISCIPLES, NONE OF THEM EVER DID.

THEY WERE POOR, EDUCATED PEOPLE WHO SAID JESUS ROSE FROM THE GRAVE.

AMEN.

>> I WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS IN RECOGNITION OF THE FOLKS THAT DO THE KINDS OF WORK AND OF THEM VERY DANGEROUS WORK, THAT THOSE OF US WOULD NEVER DO.

THIS WEEK SIX ROAD REPAIR WORKERS, WORKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, LOST THEIR LIVES AT THE FRANCIS'S SCOTT KEY BRIDGE , ALL IMMIGRANTS.

MAY THEY REST IN PEACE.

>> WE HAVE THE STATEHOUSE NEWS BUREAU CALLED THE OHIO STATE SKU.

IN THE SECOND EPISODE IS COMING OUT MONDAY, YOU CAN FIND IT ANYWHERE YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS.

YOU CAN FIND IT AND IT WILL BE >> I HAVE AN IDEA, INTEL CORPORATION IS GETTING $2 BILLION FROM THE STATE BUT THEY HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN INCENTIVES.

INVESTMENTS AND JOBS, CREATE SO MANY NEW JOBS.

IF A TEAM GETS PUBLIC MONEY THEY HAVE HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF WINS, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PLAYOFF APPEARANCE, AND A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CHAMPIONSHIPS TO FULLY GET THAT MONEY.

HOW ABOUT THAT?

ANYWAY, THAT IS IS ON THE RECORD FOR THIS WEEK.

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HAVE A GREAT WEEK.