>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, U.S.

AMBASSADOR TO TURKEY, JEFF FLAKE, JOINS US FROM TURKEY WITH AN UPDATE ON THE EARTHQUAKE TORN REGION.

AND AUTHOR, ROBERT POST, TALKS ABOUT FREE SPEECH AND THE CURRENT STATE OF POLITICS.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

GOVERNOR KATIE HOBBS VETOED THE BUDGET PROPOSAL SENT TO HER BY THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE AND SAID, QUOTE, ARIZONA DESERVES A BUDGET THAT TAKES THE REAL ISSUES WE ARE FACING SERIOUSLY.

NOW LET'S GET TO WORK.

THE 15.$8 BILLION BUDGET WAS PASSED MONDAY ALONG PARTY LINES.

>>> PRESIDENT BIDEN MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE OBJECT SHOT DOWN BY FIGHTER JETS.

>> WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT THESE THREE OBJECTS WERE, BUT NOTHING SUGGESTS THEY WERE RELATED TO THE CHINA SPY BALLOON PROGRAM OR FROM ANY COUNTRY.

THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT IS THAT THESE THREE OBJECTIONS WERE MOST LIKELY TIED TO PRIVATE COUNTRIES, RECREATION, STUDYING WEATHER OR CONDUCTING OTHER SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH.

>> Ted: THE PRESIDENT ADDED HE EXPECTS TO SPEAK TO THE PRESIDENT OF CHINA ABOUT A PREVIOUS CHINESE BALLOON THAT VIOLATED U.S.

AIRSPACE.

>> AND TESLA ANNOUNCED IT WAS RECALLING ALL VEHICLES WITH WHAT THE VEHICLE CALLS THE FULL SELF-DRIVING FEATURE AND AFFECTS NEARLY 363,000 VEHICLES AND NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION SAID THAT THE SELF-DRIVING MODE CAN CAUSE A VEHICLE TO VIOLATE TRAFFIC LAWS IN CERTAIN RARE CIRCUMSTANCES.

TESLA WILL ATTEMPT TO FIX THE PROBLEM THROUGH A SOFTWARE UPDATE.

>>> THE DEATH TOLL FROM TWO MAJOR EARTHQUAKE IS AT 40,000.

THE U.S.

AMBASSADOR, JEFF FLAKE, JOINED US FROM ANKARA.

AMBASSADOR, GOOD TO SEE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND WE APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US FROM TURKEY.

LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.

WHERE ARE YOU IN RELATION TO THE EPICENTER?

>> I'M IN THE CAPITAL OF ANKARA IN THE CENTER OF COUNTRY AND THE QUAKE WAS IN WHAT THEY CALL SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY.

IT'S DOWN THEY'RE THE SYRIAN BORDER.

A BIT OF A DISTANCE.

THE SECOND QUAKE WAS FELT IN ANKARA.

ON THAT DAY, CHERYL AND I WERE IN INSTANBUL, WHERE IT WASN'T FELT.

THERE WERE TWO QUAKES AND A LOT OF AFTERQUAKES AND TWO WERE 7.8 AND 7.6 AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE AND THE WORST EARTHQUAKE, I THINK, NOW IN TURKEY'S HISTORY.

>> Ted: DESCRIBE THE AREA, IF YOU WILL, THAT WAS HARDEST HIT.

>> AS I MENTIONED, NEAR THE SYRIAN BORDER AND THERE ARE TEN PROVINCES IN THAT AREA WITH ABOUT 21 MILLION PEOPLE LIVING THERE THAT THOSE TEN PROVINCES HAVE BEEN DECLARED DISASTER AREAS.

THE WORST PART OF IT WAS CONTAINED IN ABOUT FOUR OF THOSE PROVINCES.

THE CITIES OF ANTAKIA, SOMETIMES REFERRED TO HATAI AND GAZIAN.

HATAI AND MOST CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT WHERE PAUL AND PETER PREACHED.

AND SO THE ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS THERE AND A LOT WAS DECIMATED BY THIS QUAKE SO THE QUAKE WAS BAD IN AREAS LIKE THAT.

AND KATARAN WAS THE CENTER OF IT AND NOW THE DEATH TOLL AS OF TODAY IS WELL IN THE 40,000 AND LIKELY TO GO MUCH HIGHER.

>> Ted: THE DEATH TOLL IS HEARTBREAKING TO HEAR.

AS FAR AS SEARCH AND RESCUE, WHAT'S THE LATEST?

>> MIRACULOUSLY TODAY, TEN DAYS AFTER THE QUAKE, SOMEONE WAS DISCOVERED ALIVE AND A 17-YEAR-OLD GIRL PULLED FROM THE RUBBLE AND SHE'LL BE FINE.

AND I THINK IT'S 248 HOURS AFTER THE QUAKE.

SO THAT MAY BE THE LAST ONE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, AS WELL.

AND SO, MIRACULOUSLY SOME RESCUES ARE HAPPENING AND IN MOST PLACES, WE'VE MOVED FROM THE SEARCH AND RESCUE TO RECOVERY EFFORTS.

AND THE UNITED STATES SENT TWO SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAMS.

CHERYL AND I WELCOMED THEM IN ADONA, IN SOUTHERN TURKEY AND FROM FAIR FAX COUNTY, VIRGINIA AND LOS ANGELOS AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING NIGHT AND DAY TO RESCUE PEOPLE FROM THE TIME THEY GOT THERE UNTIL NOW.

>> Ted: WHAT ARE THE GREATEST NEEDS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE HARDEST HIT REGIONS?

MEDICAL SUPPLY, PERSONNEL AND I IMAGINE ALL OF THE ABOVE AND WHAT DO THEY REALLY NEED THERE?

>> MOVING FROM SEARCH AND RESCUE NOW, IT'S RECOVERY AND PEOPLE NEED ACCOMMODATION WITH MILLIONS .

WITH MILLIONS AFFECTED, SO MANY ARE IN HIGHRISE APARTMENT BILLIONS.

TUR WITH,TURKEY, Mrs. MUCH THERE'S MUCH MORE VERTICAL LIVING AND SO MANY HAD THEIR BUILDINGS DECIMATED CAN'T GO BACK AND PEOPLE DON'T TRUST GOING BACK IN A LARGE BUILDING RIGHT NOW UNTIL THOSE.

THIS AFFECTS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

SO TENTS, THAT'S ONE THING THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN ASKING FOR AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SECURE AND PROCURE AND I'LL BE DOWN IN ADONA TOMORROW TO WELCOME A 747 FROM DUBAI BRINGING A LOT OF SUPPLIES FROM USUD'S WAREHOUSE WITH PLASTIC SHEETING, TENTS, KITCHEN ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NEED BEFORE THEY CAN GET BACK INTO THEIR HOMES.

AND THEY'LL NEED THOSE FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, FRANKLY.

>> Ted: I WOULD IMAGINE HEATERS, POTS AND PANS, BECAUSE AS YOU MENTION, THEY'RE LIVING OUT THERE, UNDERSTANDABLY GOING INTO ANY KIND OF SHELTER.

REFUGEES FROM SYRIA, WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT AND WE'VE HEARD THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE TRYING TO GET BACK INTO THEIR HOME COUNTRY.

WHAT'S GOING ON THERE?

>> WELL, TURKEY, THERE ARE MORE THAN FOUR MILLION REFUGEES IN TURKEY AND 3.6 MILLION ARE SYRIAN AND REALLY THEY'RE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY OF TURKEY AND CONCENTRATED, REALLY, IN THAT SOUTHEAST REGION AND SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF REFUGEES NOT NECESSARILY LIVING IN TENTS OR CAMPS AND VERY FEW DO AND INTEGRATED IN SOCIETY HERE AND THEY HAVE BEEN HARD HIT.

SO SAY NOTHING OF THOSE WHO ARE IN SYRIA, IN NORTHWEST SYRIA, WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THIS QUAKE AND IN AREAS THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY, YOU KNOW, OPPOSITION FORCES AND SOME CONTROLLED BY GOVERNMENT AND NONE CONTROLLED VERY WELL AND CERTAINLY NOT THE RESPONSE, THE SEARCH AND RESCUE THAT WAS EXPERIENCED HERE IN TURKIA.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN DESPERATE NEED.

>> WE HAVE A LOT OF NONPROFIT PARTNERS THAT WORK IN AREA, WHETHER THEY'RE CONTROLLED BY OPPOSITION FORCES OR THE REGIME.

AND WE'VE NEGOTIATED, FINALLY THE U.N. DID WITH THE REGIME WHERE RELIEF SUPPLIES CAN GO INTO.

SO WE'LL SEE A BETTER PERIOD OF RECOVERY AND THEY'VE HAD IT TOUGH AND WELL LONG INTO THE FUTURE.

>> Ted: YOU MENTIONED COLLAPSING BUILDINGS AND SO MANY OF THEM AND HARD TO FATHOM HOW MANY FELL AND COLLAPSED.

OBVIOUSLY TWO MAJOR EARTHQUAKES.

WHAT HAPPENED TO SEISMIC STANDARDS?

AS YOU MENTIONED, THESE ARE ANCIENT PARTS OF THE WORLD AND GOING THROUGH THESE KIND OF THINGS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE SEISMIC LEVELS?

DID THEY NOT EXIST AND CUT CORNERS?

>> IN 1999, THERE WAS A MASSIVE ONE IN INSTANBUL THAT TOOK 19,000 LIVES AND BEFORE NOW, THAT WAS THE LARGEST ONE AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GOVERN HOW BUILDINGS WERE BUILT AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD AND THERE ARE.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS ARRESTED SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION, FOLKS AND DEVELOPERS WHO CUT CORNERS, PERHAPS, ON THE BUILDING AND SOME TRYING TO FLEE THE COUNTRY.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF RECRIM NATION IN THE COMES MONTHS AND YEARS AND RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE FOCUSED ON RECOVERY.

>> Ted: SPEAKING OF COMING MONTHS AND YEARS, IS THIS COUNTRY FOREVER CHANGED BY THIS?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH AND THE DEATH TOLL, LIKE I SAID, MOST PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IT WILL GO MUCH HIGHER AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL EVER BE THE SAME.

BUT TURKEY IS A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY.

THEY HAVE GOOD ENGINEERS AND GOOD STANDARDS AND THEY BUILD ROADS HERE VERY WELL.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE CARE, I THINK, GOING INTO THE FUTURE ON HOW THEY BUILD BUILDINGS UP TO STANDARD.

BUT I I THINK THINK THEY WILL RECOVER AND IT'S TOUGH TO SEE BEYOND THIS IMMEDIATE CRISIS.

>> Ted: MY LAST QUESTION AND THIS IS ALSO A TRAUMATIZED POPULATION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEDICAL SUPPLIES AND THERE'S A MENTAL HEALTH HERE ASPECT, AS WELL, IS THERE NOT?

>> THERE IS.

AND OBVIOUSLY, THE GOVERNMENT HERE IS SENSITIVE TO THAT, AS ARE THE GROUPS THAT ARE HELPING OUT.

GRATEFULLY, THERE ARE SOME HUNDRED COUNTRIES NOW THAT HAVE OFFERED OR HAVE SENT SUPPLIES OR TEAMS AND THE RESPONSE AROUND THE WORLD IS INCREDIBLE.

I SHOULD MENTION, TOO, THAT TURKIA IS EXPERIENCED WITH EARTHQUAKES AND THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, THEY'VE RESPONDED TO MORE THAN 50 COUNTRIES ON FIVE CONTINENTS.

SO THEY'VE PAID IT FORWARD AND SO, I THINK THE WORLD COMMUNITY IS HAPPY TO HELP IN THIS REGARD AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE SEEN SUCH AN OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT.

BUT THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECT IS REALLY CRUCIAL.

IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, BEING IN THOSE CITIES AND HAVING TO WAIT TO SEE IF YOUR LOVED ONES WILL BE FOUND, IN MANY CASES, THEY'RE NOT NOW.

AND REALIZING THAT THE SEARCH AND RESCUE PHASE IS NOW GONE.

ALL IT IS IS RECOVERY.

IT'S TOUGH.

AND THEN TO FEEL FOR A DAY, A DAY AND A HALF, AFTERSHOCKS JUST EVERY COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THAT HAD TO BE TRAUMATIZING AND WILL FOR A LONG TIME.

>> Ted: AMBASSADOR JEFF FLAKE, AMBASSADOR TO TURKEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

UP NEXT, A FIRST AMENDMENT SCHOLAR TALKS ABOUT AMERICA'S FREE SPEECH PROBLEM.

FIRST AMENDMENT SCHOLAR, ROBERT POST, IS TALKING ABOUT THE UNFORTUNATE CONSEQUENCES OF A MISGUIDED FREE SPEECH PRINCIPLE AND WE WELCOME ROBERT POST TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

>> LOVELY TO BE HERE.

>> Ted: I LOVE THIS AND I WISH I COULD SEE THIS.

DOES AMERICA HAVE A FREE SPEECH PROBLEM?

>> EVERYBODY SEEMS TO THINK SO AND WE'RE NOT TALKING MUCH.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT SAYING WE NEED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER MORE AND WE SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF BEING CANCELED AND WE SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF BEING BULLIED.

AND THE RECIPE FOR OUR POLITICAL PROBLEMS IS MORE SPEECH.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CONSENSUS ON ALL SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU ANY?

>> IT'S A MISDIAGNOSIS.

IT'S TRUE IT'S A BAD THING WHEN WE DON'T SPEAK TO EACH OTHER AND INHIBITED BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER AND WHY ARE WE FEELING INHIBITED.

IF WE ANALYZE THAT PROBLEM, WE'LL SEE THERE'S SOMETHING MUCH DEEPER AT STAKE.

>> Ted: YOU SEE THE CHALLENGES TO FREE SPEECH, IT'S MORE OF A SYMPTOM OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> I THINK THOSE PEOPLE, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE "NEW YORK TIMES," THE EDITORIAL BOARD SAYING AMERICA HAS A FREE SPEECH PROBLEM AND MISTAKE A SYMPTOM FOR A CAUSE AND NOT SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE OUR POLITICS IS BROKEN DOWN.

THE QUESTION IS WHY IS THE QUESTION BROKEN DOWN?

TOWHY?

AND WHAT IS IS A HEALTHY POLITICS?

IT'S A WAY OF SOLVING OUR DIFFERENCES.

WE DON'T NEED POLITICS IF WE ALL AGREE.

WE HAVE POLITICS BECAUSE WE DISAGREE.

IN POLITICS WE TALK TO EACH OTHERTIES AGREEINGOTHER DISAGREEING.

WE DON'T WANT TO OBLITERATE EACH OTHER AND WE WANT TO SPEAK AND FIND A COMMON RESOLUTION TO APPLY TO ALL OF US.

IT'S A VERY FRAGILE THING, POLITICS AND WE TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.

BUT SOMETIMES POLITICS CAN TIP INTO WAR AND THAT'S WHEN I DON'T CARE ABOUT TALKING TO YOU AND IMPOSE MY WILL AND HOW DO WE LIVE TOGETHER AFTER THAT?

I THINK OUR PROBLEM THAT WE'RE DIAGNOSING AS A FREE SPEECH PROBLEM IS BETTER UNDERSTOOD BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE CEASED TO CARE ABOUT WHAT EACH OTHER THINKS.

WE STOP TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND THE PRECONDITIONS FOR A CONVERSATION HAVE DIMINISHED.

>> Ted: WHAT HAPPENED?

IS THIS SOMETHING SLOW GROWING AND NOW JUST BEING AMPLIFIED?

>> WE CALL THIS POLARIZATION AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS FOR IT AND IF YOU ISOLATE WHAT POLARIZATION MEANS, WE DON'T CARE WHAT THE OTHER SIDE IS SAYING.

WE JUST WANT TO WIN.

>> Ted: HOW DID WE GET HERE?

OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD ALL SORTS OF TUSSLES ON THE SENATE FLOOR BACK IN THE OLD DAYS AND IN, THAT AND THE OTHER BUT FOR A CERTAIN AGE, THERE WAS AN HONOR AND A DAY DECORUM AND LIFTED IN POLITICAL DISCOURSE.

THAT'S ADIOS AND OUT THE WINDOW.

>> SO RIGHT AND I WOULD DIAGNOSIS IT LIKE I'M AN ACADEMIC AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE HONORABLE TO EACH OTHER.

IT MEANS WE HAD SOMETHING IN COMMON, THAT WE SHARED A DESTINY AND NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED, WE'RE AMERICANS AND AMERICA HAS TO FLOURISH AND SOMETHING BIGGER THAN US AND WHAT WE WANTED IN ANY MOMENT THAT HELD US TOGETHER.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GONE.

I THINK THE EMBLEM OF OUR POLITICS NOW, THE FLIGHT 93, REMEMBER THAT BY MIKE ANTOINE, THIS ELECTION, THE 2016 ELECTION, THE FLIGHT 93.

IF YOU DON'T STORM THE COCKPIT, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.

MY SURVIVAL IS AT STAKE IN BEATING YOU AND SO I HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH YOU AT ALL.

THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

>> Ted: ARE YOU SAYING MORE FREE SPEECH AND MORE SPEECH, IF IT'S ON THAT LEVEL, IF IT'S IN THOSE TERMS IS NOT A GOOD THING?

>> EXACTLY.

THE CURE FOR THAT CAN'T BE MORE POLARIZED SPEECH.

THE CURE IS REVIVING WHAT WE HAVE IN COMMON AND REVIVING A FATE AND DESTINY.

WE USED TO SAY POLITICS STOPPED AT THE SHORE AND BECAUSE AMERICA HAS TO ACT WITH ONE VOICE.

REMEMBER THAT SCENE IN THE "GODFATHER," DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN.

THAT'S OUR DEALING AT THE SHORE AND WE'VE LOST THAT AND WE CAN'T HAVE A POLITICS UNTIL WE GAIN THAT BACK.

ALL THE FREE SPEECH IN THE WORLD WON'T PUT HUMTY DUMPY BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.

>> Ted: CAN CONSTRUCTIVE FREE PEACHSPEECH HELP?

>> WE NEED CONSTRUCTIVE FREE SPEECH.

WHAT KIND OF SPEECH IS CONSTRUCTIVE?

IN WE THINK ABOUT THAT, IT'S THE KIND OF SPEECH THAT RECOGNIZES THE OTHER AND RESPECTS THE OTHER AND RESTORES A SENSE THAT AMERICA COMES FIRST MORE THAN MY PARTICULAR AGENDA AT ANY GIVEN TIME AND THAT MEANS WE LOOK INTO EACH OTHER'S EYES AND WE SAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE HONORABLE VIS-A-VIS EACH OTHER AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A POLITICS ANYMORE.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.

NOT THAT WE SHOULD TALK MORE, BUT TALKING IN THE RIGHT WAY.

>> Ted: TALKING IN THE RIGHT WAY, WE ALL HAVE AN ACCEPTED SET OF FACTS AND ACCEPTED SENSE OF REALITY.

TALK ABOUT KNOWLEDGE AND HOW THAT PLAYS INTO THIS DYNAMIC.

>> YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT POLARIZATION THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS IT TENDS TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY A POPULISM WHICH IS ANTI-EXPERTISE.

WE'LL TEAR DOWN THE EXPERTS.

WHAT'S SHOCKING TO ME TO TEAR DOWN THE VACCINE.

MINE, HOWARE PEOPLE THAT GET CANCER NOT GOING TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST THE SURGEONS?

ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT CLEAN DRINKING WATER NOT GOING TO TRUST THE EXPERTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST THE EXPERTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T DRINK THE WATER?

THE WHEELS GO AROUND IN THE SOCIETY AND THE BRIDGES NOT COLLAPSES.

THEY MAKE THE SOCIETY WORK.

IF WE LOSE TRUST IN THAT, WE COLLAPSE AS A SOCIETY.

AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SAID THAT DEMOCRACY ISN'T POSSIBLE UNLESS WE SHARE COMMON FACTS BECAUSE HOW CAN WE TALK TO EACH OTHER IF WE DON'T SHARE COMMON FACTS.

IF PARANOIA GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN AND WE CAN'T SHARE WHAT'S TRUE OR FALSE, THERE'S NO CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE.

SO DEMOCRACY PRESUPPOSES COMMON FACTS, BUT LIFE IN THE 21st 21st CENTURY PRESUPPOSED COMMON FACTS.

>> Ted: MEASURE HAS HAD A BIT OF A PAST REGARDING QUOTE, UNQUOTE, EGGHEADS AND NOT TRUSTING THE ACADEMICS AND Mr. KNOW IT ALL AND THIS KIND OF BUSINESS.

AGAIN, IS THIS JUST ANOTHER MANIFESTATION BY WAY OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND IN A MODERN WORLD?

GOODNESS GRACIOUS, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT DON'T TRUST VACCINES ARE GETTING DIFFERENT KINDS OF VACCINES.

>> VACCINES THAT GET THEM SICK.

A DIFFERENT HISTORY OF AMERICA.

THIS IS THE AMERICA THAT CREATED THE LAND GRANT UNIVERSITIES THAT MADE POSSIBLE THE AGRICULTURAL EXPLOSION THAT MADE AMERICA A GREAT NATION.

THIS IS THE AMERICA WITH EDISON AND PATENT THAT A LEADING TECHNOLOGY IN THE WORLD.

THIS IS THE AMERICA THAT CREATED SILICON VALLEY THAT POWERED OUR ECONOMY FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS.

AMERICA WOULDN'T EXIST AS WE KNOW IT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE FAITH IN EXPERTS AND FAITH IN SCIENCE.

IT BECAME ASSOCIATED WITH UNIVERSITIES, WITH THE LAND GRANT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, BUT IT BECAME ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNIVERSITIES AFTER WORLD WAR II.

IN WORLD WAR II, IT WAS TECHNOLOGY, RADAR, WHICH WINS THE WAR.

AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNDERSTOOD THAT UNDER EISENHOWER AND IF WE DON'T REFUND RESEARCH AND UNIVERSITIES, WE'LL LOSE THE COLD WAR AND WON'T BE THE FIRST TO THE MOON AND LOSE THE RACE FOR THE ATONIC BOMB.

CAN'T SURVIVE TODAY UNLESS YOU LEAD IN TECHNOLOGY.

>> Ted: I'M HEARING THIS AND YEAH, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW THAT HEARD FROM HIS SISTER-IN LAW, YOU TAKE A HORSE PILL, AND THAT'S ANOTHER WAY FOR THE COMMUNIST TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM.

HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH THAT FREE SPEECH?

>> I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DEAL WITH IT, BUT IF WE CONTINUE MORE FREE SPEECH LIKE THAT, WE'LL FALL TO PIECES.

THE CLOSEST ANALOGY, THE DEVELOPMENTDEVELOPMENT OF THE PRINTING PRESS.

BEFORE THAT, THE CHURCH HELD A MONOPOLY ON DIVINE KNOWLEDGE.

IF YOU WANTED TO GET TO HEAVEN, YOU HAD TO TRUST YOUR PRIEST.

ALONG COMES THE PRINTING PRESS, THEY PRINT THE BIBLE AND PRINTED IN EVERY DAY LANGUAGE AND SUDDENLY, I DIDN'T HAVE TO TRUST THE PRIEST AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LEAD TO?

THE REFORMATION AND TWO CENTURIES OF WAR BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LONGER ANY AUTHORITY IN WESTERN EUROPE BECAUSE OF THE INVENTION OF THIS NEW SYSTEM OF KNOWLEDGE.

WELL, THE INTERNET IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT SYSTEM OF KNOWLEDGE.

IT'S LIKE YOUR BROTHER, SISTER -- I MEAN YOUR BROTHER'S SISTER'S HUSBAND TO GO ON THE INTERNET.

HAVE YOU SEEN THE SIGNS IN DOCTOR'S OFFICES WHERE IT SAYS YOUR GOOGLE'S SEARCH THAT IS NOT QUEEN ELIZABETHEQUIVALENT TO MY MD DEGREES.

THEY DO THEIR SEARCH AND THEY DON'T NEED THE DOCTOR.

THIS IS WHAT LEAD TO TWO CENTURIES OF TOTAL SOCIAL CHAOS AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> Ted: HOW DO WE GET OUT OF IT?

>> I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S A QUESTION TO THINK ABOUT INSTEAD OF MORE FREE SPEECH.

>> Ted: WE TALKED ABOUT REDIRECTING AND WE'RE RUNNING SHORT OF TIME AND A COUPLE SECONDS HEAR.

FREE SPEECH AND REDIRECTING FREE SPEECH AND YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE THAT AND IT HAS TO BE ORGANIC AND DOES IT BECOME ORGANIC WHEN WORSE COMES TO WORSE?

DO YOU HAVE TO HIT THE BOTTOM BEFORE YOU CRAWL OUT?

>> I THINK ABOUT HITTING THE BOTTOM IS WHEN YOU HIT THE BOTTOM LIKE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, THERE'S A REAL CRISIS AND I THINK WE'RE A LONG WAY FROM THAT KIND OF BOTTOM.

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE PANDEMIC WAS AN EXAMPLE AND I WAS WRONG.

SO WHAT THE BOTTOM IS, I CAN'T TELL YOU.

WHAT WE NEED TO DISCOVER, THINGS WE HAVE IN COMMON AND THEN WE DISCOVER HOW TO GET OUT TOGETHER.

IT'S THE "TOGETHER" PART.

>> Ted: CAN THEY OCCUR IN THIS CULTURE OF SOCIAL MEDIA.

I THOUGHT 9-1-1 WOULD HAPPEN AND I THOUGHT SANDY SANDYHOOK WOULD CHANGE THAT.

>> ONE THING IS DEFAMATION LAW.

ALEX JONES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME BECAUSE OF THE DEFAMATION.

I'M THE CO-REPORTER FOR LAW FOR DEFAMATION AND I'M TRYING TO CODIFY IT AND IT'S INTERESTING NOW THAT DEFAMATION IS BEING REVIVED AS A TOOL TO RESTORE TRUTH IN THIS WORLD OF MADE-UP FACTS.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION AND 30 SECONDS HERE, IS DEMOCRACY AT RISK?

>> YES.

>> Ted: I NEED MORE THAN THAT.

>> WE ARE AT RISK AND WE HAVE TO PRESERVE IT AND IT'S A CRISIS.

>> Ted: ROBERT POST, GREAT DISCUSSION AND THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.