[music playing] PRESENTER: Pennsylvania towns celebrate festivals of all kinds.

Every year, since 1948, the small town of Renovo in Clinton County has held a celebration.

Do you know what the citizens of Renovo call their three day festival?

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Here's the host of the Pennsylvania Game, Lynn Hinds.

[cheering] Thank you.

Thank you very much, and welcome to The Pennsylvania Game.

We got a good audience tonight from the Bellwood-Antis school district and a group from Susquehanna view in Lock Haven.

And we've got a dynamite panel and some really good questions.

He writes a lot of books, and he teaches a lot of classes, and he comes up with some right answers occasionally.

Bernie Asbell.

[cheering] He's a native of Pennsylvania, professor of education at Penn State University, Dr. Harold Cheatham.

[cheering] And she has great fun doing a radio talk show on WTA radio in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Let's welcome Lynn Cullen.

[cheering] Now let's see what have we got for questions.

Oh, if you've driven up to Renovo ever, you'd know what kind of festival they have.

It is something to behold.

PRESENTER: Every year, since 1948, the small town of Renovo in Pennsylvania's endless mountains has played host to over 40,000 visitors during a three day festival celebrating the state's natural beauty.

Is this festival known as A, The Fun in the Sun Festival, B, The Flaming Foliage Festival, C, The Winter Wonderland Festival or D, The Outdoor Pennsylvania Festival.

BERNARD ASBELL: Did you say what month?

I didn't say what month and there's a good reason for that, Bernie Asbell.

There's probably no way you could know this unless you've been up there, so take an educated multiple guess as my kids call these kind of tests.

What do you think it is that they call it?

Every year since 1948.

Since 1948.

So this is going to be B, or is it going to be C?

LYNN HINDS: Got it down to those two do you?

Yeah.

I say have a winter wonderland up there.

LYNN HINDS: Sleigh bells ring.

The sleigh bells ring, and they go skiing-- LYNN HINDS: Harold Cheatham, do Sleigh bells ring at their festival?

I don't think so.

I think because they're in the endless mountains that it's obviously The Flaming Foliage Festival.

LYNN HINDS: Especially if they're careless with campfires, it would be the-- Yes, Lynn Cullen?

Are the endless mountains the endless mountains, or is that just an adjective for mountains?

LYNN HINDS: I think that's part of the noun.

It is?

Capital E endless mountains?

LYNN HINDS: I believe it's called the endless mountain-- I think.

Well, we know it ain't Fun in the Sun Festival because the sun doesn't shine anymore.

So I would-- yeah, I think one of the things about Pennsylvania, the flaming foliage.

LYNN HINDS: Do you pronounce it foliage or foliage?

I say foliage.

I don't know.

Is foliage the right answer here?

PRESENTER: The answer is B, The Flaming Foliage Festival.

[applause] Every year, during the second weekend of October, Renovo welcomes high school beauty queens from central Pennsylvania and tourists from across the state in a celebration of the glories of autumn.

The festival culminates in the crowning of Miss Flaming Foliage and the future Miss Clinton County.

Yeah, she's a beauty all right.

She is.

And it is something to see the endless mountains and Renovo is famous for that.

One of the fascinations for Americans is missing persons.

We got one in mind.

PRESENTER: Missing persons have long held a fascination for the American public.

One of the most famous missing persons of the 20th century was born in Eastern Pennsylvania.

Was that person A, Jimmy Hoffa, B, Amelia Earhart, C, D.B.

Cooper, or D, Judge Crater?

All famous missing persons but which one was missing from Eastern Pennsylvania?

Harold Cheatham, your turn to start on this one.

I'm inclined to say Judge Crater, but I think it's probably Jimmy Hoffa because the Teamsters.

They never found him, did they?

LYNN HINDS: l don't-- I don't think so.

I don't think they found any of these four as a matter of fact.

Did they?

No, I think they found Jimmy Hoffa in the end zone at the meadow-- [laughter] I'm serious.

They buried him in the end zone in the meadowlands or something-- They never found Amelia Earhart, D.B.

Cooper or Judge Crater.

D.B.

Cooper was-- The guy who jumped out of the airplane.

LYNN HINDS: With all the money.

LYNN CULLEN: Yeah.

And Judge Crater was the guy that got out of a taxi in New York City, and-- I just saw a picture of Amelia Earhart and not only was she an incredibly courageous talented woman, she was beautiful.

So this is for you Amelia-- LYNN HINDS: Happy landings to you Amelia Earhart.

Bernard?

Why would a nice man like Judge Crater go to New York if he comes from Eastern Pennsylvania?

LYNN HINDS: Because Eastern has now become, believe it or not, a bedroom community of New York City.

I mean, it really is that New York is expanding.

Who was the missing person?

PRESENTER: The answer is D, Judge Crater.

Born and raised in Eastern, Judge Crater studied law at Columbia University in New York and set up practice in the city rising rapidly in local politics to become a justice of the state Supreme Court.

On the evening of August 6th, 1930, Crater had dinner out with some friends.

He was seen leaving the restaurant and entering a cab supposedly on his way to a Broadway show.

He was never seen again, at least not by anyone willing to talk about it.

I would have to say from that picture, he later became J. Edgar Hoover, didn't he?

[laughter] Doesn't he look like-- but that's another one of those mysteries like Amelia Earhart or D.B.

Cooper.

He became Tammy Faye Bakker?

Do you think?

[laughter] Let's talk to Harold Cheatham a bit.

Harold is a native Pennsylvanian who will not tell me where he's from.

Are you super proud of it, or are you ashamed of where you're from?

Oh, neither.

I didn't want you to tell them that I was a Pennsylvanian in case I did badly.

LYNN HINDS: Oh.

[laughter] Well, you're not doing badly, though.

I'm from New Kensington originally.

Are you really?

Yes.

LYNN HINDS: Which is just up the creek-- the Allegheny Creek, river, we call it from-- Around the bend.

LYNN HINDS: Of course.

Yeah, that's nice country.

That's in Westmoreland.

Westmoreland.

Westmoreland.

HAROLD CHEATHAM: All the way up in the Northeast corner-- You're now professor of education at the Pennsylvania State University?

Right.

LYNN HINDS: You like teaching?

That's all I know how to do.

LYNN HINDS: I know some of your students and they like learning from you, I can tell you, so we're glad to have you here.

Miss Cullen, ma'am-- LYNN CULLEN: Yes, sir.

What are you up to these days, besides doing the radio talk show?

Are you still doing some television?

I do some television for WTA TV, channel 4 in Pittsburgh, and I work, I work, I work, and I work out.

LYNN HINDS: Do you work out?

What do you-- I mean-- [laughter] LYNN HINDS: Are you pumping iron?

--muscles-- LYNN HINDS: I don't mean Iron City.

I mean pumping, actually lifting weights.

I got pecs and delts and quads and things that I didn't used to have.

LYNN HINDS: Bernie, what do you do for exercise?

BERNARD ASBELL: I watch Lynn.

[laughter] I-- I do my Henry Fonda exercises every day.

I have a Henry Fonda tape.

LYNN HINDS: I know you exercise because I called you on the phone the other day when you were exercising and woke you up.

[laughter] That's how I know that.

Yeah.

Let's go to Franklin Institute in Philadelphia had a Centennial of sorts and an invention of sorts.

PRESENTER: Visitors to the semi-centennial celebration at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia in 1874 were delighted to sample a treat created by Robert Green who simply added one ingredient to another.

Did he create A, the cheeseburger, B, Eskimo pies, C, ice cream soda, or D, shrimp cocktail?

There we are.

We're down to you miss, Cullen, to start on this one.

Bob Green-- did he create the Bobsicle-- no, that's not right.

The-- what does it say here?

The cheeseburger, the Eskimo Pie-- I don't have the answers here-- ice cream soda or shrimp cocktail.

He combined two ingredients, you see, so to do.

Cheeseburger would be cheese and-- And-- LYNN HINDS: You see-- Do you ever think about the hamburger that it's not ham.

It's-- and-- LYNN HINDS: There you go.

So what?

Heck it-- LYNN HINDS: What Bob Green create in 1874?

Why, everybody knows that Mr. Green created of the ice cream soda.

LYNN HINDS: Everybody knows C says Miss Cullen.

Mr. Asbell, did you know that?

I'm trying to remember if the cheeseburger existed when I was born, which is about that time-- LYNN HINDS: About that time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Gosh, I want to say cheeseburger to be different, but I know it was the ice cream soda.

LYNN HINDS: You know that-- I know it was the ice cream soda.

I don't see why it couldn't be the shrimp cocktail, but Harold?

I haven't the foggiest so good that means don't be logical, just guess-- LYNN HINDS: Eskimo pies.

Those were cold pies indeed.

What did Robert Green create in 1874 in Philly?

PRESENTER: The answer is C. With an inspired move, Robert Greene combined ice cream with soda water to create the treat that millions have been enjoying in an endless variety of flavors ever since.

Green was so proud of his creation that his will dictated that the originator of the ice cream soda be engraved on his tombstone.

Did you ever think what you'd like to have engraved on your tombstone?

I mean, think of that.

The creator of the ice cream soda.

I would have on mine-- well, never mind.

Let's get to the mystery Pennsylvania.

Let's give the score first.

It's a real close score.

Bernie has 2, Harold has 1 and Lynn has 2.

Real close.

Encourage our panel.

They're all doing all right.

[cheering] You really did guess on that last one.

You didn't know it?

LYNN CULLEN: --I really did.

Jeez.

Here is our mystery Pennsylvanian clue number one.

There'll be three clues through the course of the show.

Born in Bradford Pennsylvania in 1934, which was a real good year to be born in, her first appearance was at age 4 when she sang at a political rally for Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Bernie, you've written about FDR, so that might be a clue for you.

Born in Bradford way up in the northern part where it's always coldest in Bradford, if you'll recall, 1934, her first appearance was at age 4 when she sang at a political rally for FDR.

The clues will get easier as we go along, I guarantee that.

Did you ever hear of a guy that wrote operas who came from Pennsylvania?

Well sort of.

Here's the question.

PRESENTER: John Luther long was born in Hanover in 1861.

He became a Philadelphia lawyer in 1881, but his first love was writing short stories.

A story that he wrote for Century Magazine in 1898 became a famous opera.

Was that opera A, Aida, B, Madame Butterfly, C, the Barber of Seville, or D, La Boheme?

Now Bernie, you'd like to sing us an aria from any of those operas, go ahead, but which one was turned into-- which opera was based on a short story by John Luther long of Hanover Pennsylvania?

Did it have a character in it named Lieutenant Pinkerton?

LYNN HINDS: I have no idea what it had in it.

You say Madame-- --Madame Butterfly.

Yeah.

LYNN HINDS: Kind of a strange-- but go ahead.

It's all right.

Harold?

You're saying the-- I'm going with the Barber of Seville.

LYNN HINDS: I think they had a Barber-- HAROLD CHEATHAM: That was Perry Como.

He's from a different part of Pennsylvania.

[laughter] Yeah, Canonsburg is where he's from.

Yeah.

Lynn?

Boy-- LYNN HINDS: Isn't that kind of strange that a guy from Hanover, Pennsylvania would be the-- Yeah, I don't get this.

See I know so little about opera that I thought all these operas were from like 1722.

So I don't know how the heck he [gibberish].. LYNN HINDS: Well, they weren't obviously, so there you are.

What do you think?

Hmm, I think La Boheme.

LYNN HINDS: La Boheme.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

LYNN HINDS: Could you spell La Boheme without looking at it?

Sure.

LYNN HINDS: I had to look it up 3 times.

I kept-- which opera is based on the work by Mr. Long?

PRESENTER: The answer is B, Madame Butterfly.

David Belasco wrote a play based on long story and Puccini turned it into a famous opera about a young Japanese woman deserted by an American naval officer.

John Long had never been to Japan.

He got his facts from his sister who had lived in Japan.

Long lived quietly in Philadelphia until his death in 1927.

OK.

He never was in Japan, but his sister was.

She was married to a missionary and she told him all about Japan, and he wrote-- you know the story.

BERNARD ASBELL: Yeah, and it's an American-- an American character in it, which is what suggested to be Madame Butterfly.

I always wondered how come the Japanese wrote a story about-- wrote an opera about an American.

LYNN HINDS: And there you are.

It's writtne by a guy from Pennsylvania named Long.

OK.

This is the 50th anniversary of what, Miss Cullen?

Famous in Pennsylvania.

This is the 50th anniversary of-- LYNN HINDS: 1990 is the 50th anniversary of what in Pennsylvania?

Dr. Cheatham?

Well, you know because we had a question on it the other day.

Tell them what it is.

I don't remember.

LYNN HINDS: It's the Pennsylvania Turnpike-- Oh, yes.

Of course.

LYNN HINDS: --superhighway-- That's right.

HAROLD CHEATHAM: I heard that on Jeopardy.

PRESENTER: When the Pennsylvania Turnpike was built in the late 1930s, it took just 23 months to construct.

That was partly because it used the tunnels, and right of way of the South Pennsylvania Railroad, an abandoned project of the 1880s.

Was that earlier project called a, Earle's Error, B, Carnegies Blunder, C, Morgan's Mistake, or D, Vanderbilt's Folly?

They built the turnpike so fast because it was based on an earlier project that had been abandoned in the 1880s.

Used some of the same tunnels and the whole bit.

I just want to know what was the famous project of the 1880s called.

Harold Cheatham's, it's your turn to start.

Well, I'm going to go with B because Morgan and Vanderbilt belonged to another state.

Carnegie belongs to this state.

LYNN HINDS: All right, so you think it was Carnegie's Blunder.

Aren't those all marvelous names?

Lynn?

Oh, they're wonderful.

Bunch of robber barons up there, right?

LYNN HINDS: Yeah.

Yeah.

Which one was it?

I don't have the slightest idea as is usually the case.

So we'll go with-- is that Amy Vanderbilt?

The one-- the etiquette queen?

LYNN HINDS: I think it was a relation of-- Is it?

Is she related to-- LYNN HINDS: I believe so.

--to him.

LYNN HINDS: She rich?

He was rich.

Well, anyone who tells you that don't use that fork, use this one, they're always rich.

LYNN HINDS: Yeah, sure.

When you know you're going to use your spoon anyway.

Go ahead, Bernie.

Vanderbilt was the railroad builder and it was built on an abandoned railroad bed, so I assume it was Vanderbilt's Folly.

LYNN HINDS: And so the tunnels that were part of Vanderbilt's Folly that was never completed, and that's why-- does that make any sense to you?

PRESENTER: The answer is D, Vanderbilt's Folly.

The turnpike used six of the nine tunnels that had been bored for William Vanderbilt South Pennsylvania Railroad.

The railroad project was 60% completed when it was abandoned because of a JP Morgan deal.

Surveyors called the railroad right of way the best route devised between the ocean and Ohio.

Governor George Earle signed a bill that turned Vanderbilt's Folly into the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

George Earle was the governor at the time, which is why it was called Earl's Folly, but the Pennsylvania Turnpike was a FDR new deal, kind of, project that was done.

The world-- the nation, at least, the nation's first superhighway, and we should be proud of it.

Clue number two for the mystery Pennsylvanian.

She didn't make her grade school Glee Club because they said her voice was too loud.

I didn't make it for a little different reason, but that voice would be heard from La Scala to the Met.

She did not make her grade school Glee Club.

They said her voice was too loud, but her voice would be heard from La Scala to the Met.

Clue number one was she was born in Bradford Pennsylvania in 1934 and her first appearance was at an FDR rally when she was just 4 years old.

If you'd like to write to us, if you'd like to send us a question, if you'd like to just say howdy, our address is as follows, The Pennsylvania Game, Wagner Annex, University Park, PA 16802.

I like this next question a lot and, Miss Cullen, it's your turn to begin and I'm glad.

So listen up.

Tammany Hall in New York has a Pennsylvania connection.

PRESENTER: The Society of Saint Tammany was formed two weeks after George Washington took the oath of office as our first president.

Tammany Hall was devoted to reform, although it became the foremost symbol of corruption in American politics before its demise in the 20th century.

Who was Tammany Hall named after?

Was he the A, Indian chief who greeted William Penn, B, first soldier to die at Valley Forge, C, first Swedish governor in Pennsylvania, or D, architect of Independence Hall?

LYNN HINDS: Now I told you that Tammany Hall had a Pennsylvania connection and all four of those, of course, are connected to Pennsylvania.

The Swedish people were the first people here and that could be right.

The Independence Hall, of course, is well known and Valley Forge, of course, where the troops spent that winter and the Indian chief who greeted William Penn who had a good relationship with the Indians, of course, who was Tammany, Miss Cullen?

You're thinking hard.

I can tell.

I don't know how you'd know this.

I'm not thinking hard.

I'm going eeny, meeny, miney-- [laughter] I don't know what it is.

They wouldn't have been into naming it after an Indian chief or the poor first soldier who died at Valley Forge.

It's one of those rich people again.

It's either the Swedish governor, or it's the architect of Independence Hall.

It's Tammany.

Is that a Swedish sounding name?

LYNN HINDS: [indistinct speech] Tammany?

I don't know.

[laughter] Why would they name it after-- oh, who knows?

LYNN HINDS: D's been good to you so far-- We'll just go-- LYNN HINDS: D's been good to you so far.

Bernie, what do you say?

Well, I think they needed a wigwam big enough to house all those Democrats so they named it after an Indian.

LYNN HINDS: You think it was the Indian chief who greeted William Penn.

All right.

Harold?

Tammany sounds like Nittany.

[laughter] LYNN HINDS: Tammany sounds like Nittany and Nittany was, of course, a famous Indian who was logic as a little tenuous here.

PRESENTER: The answer is A, the Delaware Indian chief who greeted William Penn.

Named Tamanend, his name was recorded as Tammany when he made the treaty with Penn under the elm at Shackamaxon when Penn pledged to live justly, peaceably and friendly with you, Tammany replied, we will live in peace with Penn and his children as long as the sun and moon shall endure.

Chief Tammany became the symbol of our longest lasting political organization.

Did you guys know that or was that just a pure guess?

Well, when I was a kid in New York, I always knew that they always referred to it as the wigwam, but I didn't think I'd have to move to Pennsylvania to find out why.

LYNN HINDS: You didn't know why until you put two and two together.

Harold, how about you?

Did you know that?

I didn't know it, but I figured that Tammany was probably an Indian name, and then I really did at the last instant get the clue.

Tammany, Nittany.

And I obviously didn't know-- When I read this, it blew my mind.

I had no idea Tammany Hall was named after an Indian guy.

Let's go to a Lewisburg native.

A Lewisburg up in the center part of the state and something that he did.

PRESENTER: Lewisburg native James Black suffered an unpleasant incident while employed by the Pennsylvania and Union Canal.

This experience later led him to A, become the first director of OSHA, B, established the National Prohibition Party, C, lead the National fight against child labor, or D, offer the first disability insurance?

OK. Back in the 1800s, it was, I guess, it was some time ago.

I'm not sure what year.

But what did-- what happened to James Black that led him to do whatever he did?

What did he do?

You can eliminate some time.

I don't know what Bernie's doing because sometimes you can eliminate some just by the time period and so forth and get it down to a guess or two.

He had an unpleasant incident.

LYNN HINDS: Yeah, when he worked on the Pennsylvania and Union Canal.

And he said, by golly-- My he watched all those kids slaving away-- LYNN HINDS: OK. Child labor-- --they should be in school.

LYNN HINDS: All right.

All right.

Harold?

HAROLD CHEATHAM: Makes eminent good sense.

PRESENTER: Eminent good sense.

Miss Cullen, are you going with good sense, or are you going with something-- Heck no.

[laughter] No.

He was working on the canal one day and they were on this barge on the canal and the guy who was sort of piloting the barge was actually a distant ancestor of this guy now who skippered the Exxon Valdez.

LYNN HINDS: Yes.

And he was hitting the booze.

He'd been hitting the bottle, and he really he almost killed the guy.

And so he established the National Prohibition Party immediately.

You know more historical facts.

What is the right answer?

PRESENTER: The answer is B, establish the National Prohibition Party.

Born in 1823, James Black worked as a mule driver for the Pennsylvania and Union Canal when he was a young boy.

At age 16, he became a convert to temperance when the older workers forced him to participate in a drinking orgy.

Upon recovering from the effects, Black swore never to touch a drop again.

He became active in state and local prohibition efforts and established the National Prohibition Party at the temperance convention in 1865.

Seven years later, James Black became his party's first nominee for president garnering less than 6,000 votes nationwide.

But I know you were making that up, Miss Cullen.

But you were right on, you were right on, he had such a bad experience from drink that he said, I'm going to form a prohibition party.

That's all there is to it.

Let's see how much you know about Robert Hunsicker of Allentown, if you know so much about this other guy James Black.

PRESENTER: In 1936, Robert Hunsicker set up a shop in a rented basement in downtown Allentown, Pennsylvania.

Starting with just $200, Hunsicker developed a product that would become a multi-million dollar business.

But when he tried to register his trademark with the patent office, he was challenged by the Borden company.

Did Robert Hunsicker develop A, Folger's Instant Coffee, B, Alpo Dog Food, C, Elmer's Glue, or D, Cremora Coffee Creamer?

Harold Cheat-- Cheatham, those are all four well known products, but what did Robert Hunsicker create in Allentown?

He was challenged by the Borden company when he tried to use his trademark.

What do you think?

Well, probably shouldn't be logic, but Borden probably didn't want all of that plastic that they would convince people was a good substitute for milk.

So they-- it must have been Cremora.

LYNN HINDS: I hope my wife didn't hear because I use some of that in my coffee sometimes.

She'll make me stop.

Yes, go ahead, Miss Cullen.

Yowie.

I mean, it's so weird-- LYNN HINDS: Yes?

It's so weird.

I'm not going to tell you what-- the way my brain isn't working-- I don't know.

LYNN HINDS: You think it's Instant Coffee?

You have a reason you're not going to tell us?

I have no reason-- Everybody's got that strong-- I have that strong subliminal suggestion.

It's got to be Elmer's Glue.

But the trouble is Borden's owns Elmer's Glue, so they have nothing to challenge, so it's got to be Folgers Instant Coffee.

LYNN HINDS: Well, see the thing is that he tried to trademark this and Borden's-- yeah, you put Elmer's.

Yeah.

And Borden's challenged him, see, when he tried to put up his trademark.

So I presume that he either he had to change it or something happened, but it's a-- I think it's an absolutely fascinating answer.

Here it is.

PRESENTER: The answer is B, Alpo Dog Food.

Robert Hunsicker named his product All Pro but Borden's had a line of pet feed that used the word pro, so he dropped two letters to form the now familiar trademark, Alpo.

Still based in Allentown, Alpo is the leading brand of premium dog food in the country and is distributed around the world.

He called it All Pro and Borden said you can't do that so he made it Alpo.

So Alpo is short for All Pro.

We all know that don't we?

It's a very close game.

Let's see if we can get the mystery Pennsylvanian.

She sang with Sutherland Sills and Pavarotti.

Perhaps her most famous role was as Carmen.

Obviously we're after a diva.

Does anybody know the answer?

Miss Cullen?

I've Roberta Peters-- LYNN HINDS: Roberta Peters?

Harold?

I didn't put any answer yet.

LYNN HINDS: OK.

I'll go along with Roberta Peters because she said so.

I claim-- I don't claim it as an answer.

LYNN HINDS: From Bradford, Pennsylvania born in 1934, a very, very famous singer.

PRESENTER: Family nicknamed her Jackie when she was born in Bradford in 1934.

But the name of Marilyn Horne was to become famous in opera houses across Europe and in America.

Marilyn Horne made her debut at age 4 singing, "Believe Me If All Those Endearing Young Charms" at a political rally for FDR.

She didn't make her grade school Glee Club because they said she sang too loudly, but the voice of Marilyn Horne was heard loud and clear at La Scala, Covent Garden, and at the Met.

She won first place on Arthur Godfrey's talent scouts and dubbed the songs for Dorothy Dandridge in the movie Carmen Jones.

Perhaps her most famous opera role was as lead in Carmen.

Marilyn Horne, a famous Pennsylvanian.

Indeed she was a famous-- and the dubbing the songs in the movies is there's so many voices that we hear, singers who don't get to be as famous as Marilyn Horne who just do some marvelous, marvelous work.

But opera singers are from Pennsylvania too.

We were talking about how many famous people.

BERNARD ASBELL: She's so wonderful.

When Leonard Bernstein recorded West Side Story for the first time on his 25th-- he used her in that final song, even though she is not in the presentation.

She just has that big wonderful voice.

That song there's "A Time For Us".

LYNN HINDS: Oh, yeah.

Yeah-- LYNN CULLEN: Oh, the one where I sobbed and sobbed-- LYNN HINDS: That's the one.

Yes.

LYNN HINDS: That's the one.

That's the one.

That's the one.

What a marvelous voice she had and how proud we are of all these famous people who are from Pennsylvania.

She was too loud to sing in her Glee Club.

My teacher suggested that-- I had a solo part once and she suggested I say my words rather than sing them.

Hope you enjoyed The Pennsylvania Game.

We'll see you next time.

Thanks for playing.

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