Let's start with our discussions about racial justice, civil rights, and the killings of unarmed African Americans by police.

Lots of people are saying, "Well, this is Black police officers killing a Black man, somehow it's different," but it fits very squarely into the narrative that you have been trying to get people to pay attention to for some time.

- Yeah, and not just me, but there have been activists across the country and across the world, that have been saying this since long before I started having these conversations with you.

The problem isn't the prejudicial thought.

Prejudice is a problem, right?

But it's the way the prejudicial thought is interwoven into systems in our country, that transition prejudice into the historicism, that make a prejudicial thought into racism, right?

And allow that privilege, and allow that social hierarchy to be maintained, that allow power to be exerted.

And what we see in our system of policing, is a very clear example of how, when you found something on the basis of bias, when you found something on the basis of the criminalization of Black and Brown bodies, that at a certain point there becomes, there's an internalization of that thought, of that system, into individuals, regardless of their racial ethnic identity.

And so what has been really, unfortunately, very clearly displayed in this situation, is how this system of policing is deeply, utterly, completely at the root flawed.

- So first I'd like to say, Stephen, the actions of these officers were just disgusting and appalling, for me.

Excessive force is a disregard for life and has no place in law enforcement at all.

And I would have to say my thoughts are with the family and every impacted by Tyre Nichols' death.

I would have to say that there needs to be more accountability, there needs to be more transparency in law enforcement, there needs to be better training, intervention programs, as well as crisis intervention, mental health co-response, the data-driven enforcement.

We need to come together, and we need to make sure that we're open for listening to our community for the needs, as well as providing these services that we know are so desperately needed in our communities.