>> VISITING WITH HUELL HOWSER IS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH A GENEROUS GRANT FROM THE RALPH M. PARSONS FOUNDATION.

>> WELL, HELLO EVERYBODY.

I'M HUELL HOWSER.

AND HERE WE ARE ON THE UCLA CAMPUS.

THIS IS THE OLDER PART OF THE CAMPUS HERE.

THIS IS BEAUTIFUL ROYCE HALL WHICH HAS JUST BEEN RESTORED TO ALL OF ITS GRANDEUR.

THIS IS WHERE UCLA STARTED, RIGHT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

A LOT OF HISTORY HERE.

AND SPEAKING OF HISTORY, HERE'S MR. HISTORY RIGHT HERE, DAN EINSTEIN.

DAN, YOU ARE CONNECTED WITH?

>> THE UCLA FILM AND TELEVISION ARCHIVE.

>> AND THIS MAN KNOWS ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT TELEVISION HISTORY.

HE IS AN EXPERT.

AND HE HAS INVITED US HERE TO THE CAMPUS TODAY.

ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA GO INSIDE THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, POWELL LIBRARY, WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN RESTORED.

>> RIGHT.

>> TO SEE WHAT TODAY, DAN?

>> WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME TELEVISION PROGRAMS IN THE COLLECTION OF THE UCLA FILM AND TELEVISION ARCHIVE IN THE O.I.D.

MEDIA LAB IN POWELL LIBRARY THERE.

>> AT THE O.I.D.

MEDIA LAB.

SO THIS SOUNDS VERY OFFICIAL.

>> IT'S VERY OFFICIAL.

[LAUGHTER] >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO INSIDE.

IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL DAY I'D HATE TO GO INTO THE LIBRARY.

>> AND WATCH TV.

>> AND WATCH TV, BUT THAT'S THE WAY LIFE IS.

SO LET'S HEAD INSIDE.

BOY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN IN THE POWELL LIBRARY IN A NUMBER OF YEARS.

REALLY, SINCE IT'S BEEN RESTORED.

>> IT'S GORGEOUS NOW.

IT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS I'VE EVER SEEN.

>> AND YOU'RE KIND OF OUR QUICK TOUR GUIDE HERE.

WE KIND OF COMMANDEERED YOU TO GIVE US A -- >> NO PROBLEM.

>> -- QUICK OVERVIEW, JIM, OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE.

>> WELL, THE BUILDING WAS REOPENED IN '96.

IT WON AN AWARD FOR THE BEST PRESERVATION OF A BUILDING IN CALIFORNIA OF A HISTORIC BUILDING THAT YEAR.

AND IT'S REALLY BEEN SPECTACULAR.

THEY WENT TO GREAT PAINS TO RESTORE ALL OF THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS FROM THE BRICKWORK, THE TILES, TO THE HAND-PAINTED MOSAICS UP ON THE CEILING WHICH -- >> IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL, AND IT'S SO OPEN AND AIRY AND LIGHT IN HERE, TOO.

>> YEAH.

IT USED TO BE A FAIRLY DARK, DANK PLACE.

FRIENDS OF MINE WHO WENT TO SCHOOL HERE YEARS AGO, I TELL THEM I'M WORKING IN POWELL, AND THEY SAY, "OH, THAT'S AN AWFUL BUILDING."

AND THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE.

IT'S WONDERFUL NOW.

>> AND LOOK DOWN HERE.

THIS IS A -- HAS A BEAUTIFUL LOOK TO IT DOWN HERE, TOO.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER ROOMS.

>> SURE.

THEY DO A LOT OF EVENTS IN THIS ROOM HERE, SPEAKERS, PANELS, SYMPOSIUMS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A COUPLE HERE WITH THE ARCHIVE.

WE'LL BRING PEOPLE IN TO TALK ABOUT TELEVISION ISSUES RELATED TO THE MEDIA, AND THEY SET UP A PODIUM OVER HERE AND CHAIRS, AND IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT TO TALK.

>> AND LOOK AT THIS TILE.

THIS IS ORIGINAL TILE THAT'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE 20'S.

>> YEAH.

THEY SPENT FOUR YEARS AND ABOUT $35 MILLION TO RESTORE THIS BUILDING.

>> NOW WAS THIS BUILDING HURT IN THE EARTHQUAKE?

>> IT ACTUALLY SUFFERED SOME DAMAGE, BUT THE PRESERVATION OF THE BUILDING STARTED PRIOR TO THE EARTHQUAKE.

>> I GOTCHA.

LOOK AT THIS.

THIS IS JUST GREAT.

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY.

I HAVE A FEELING THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING RIGHT THERE, INSTRUCTIONAL MEDIA LABORATORY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADING.

SO WE'RE GOING IN TO WATCH SOME TELEVISION.

OKAY, THE UCLA INSTRUCTIONAL MEDIA LABORATORY.

AND THEY LOOK TO ME LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF -- THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON BACK HERE.

>> A LOT OF VIDEOTAPE MACHINES.

THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE COME TO VIEW MATERIAL IN THE FILM AND TELEVISION ARCHIVES COLLECTION.

THE PEOPLE WHO WORK BACK HERE STICK THE TAPE IN THE MACHINE, AND YOU GO OUT THERE TO YOUR LITTLE STUDY CARREL WITH A MONITOR.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WELL, LET'S SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BACK HERE.

HOWDY.

>> HI.

>> WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT HERE?

>> IT'S BASICALLY A FILM.

I'M SUPPOSED TO WRITE AN ESSAY ON HOW INDIANS ARE REPRESENTED IN FILMS, AND COMPARE FILMS FROM THE 50'S AND FROM THE 90'S.

>> THAT'S GOOD.

>> AND BASICALLY FIND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REPRESENTATION OF THE INDIANS.

>> AND HOW DO YOU FIND WHICH FILMS YOU WANT TO LOOK AT?

IS THERE -- IS IT CATALOGUED UNDER NATIVE AMERICANS?

>> NO.

BASICALLY IT'S FROM THE PROFESSOR AND -- >> I GOTCHA.

>> -- HE GIVES US A LIST.

>> HE GIVES YOU A LIST.

YOU COME IN HERE AND CHECK IT OUT.

DO YOU COME IN HERE A LOT?

>> YEAH.

IT'S BASICALLY LIKE THE THIRD TIME THIS WEEK.

>> GREAT.

AND WHAT CLASS IS THIS FOR?

>> ENGLISH.

>> ENGLISH?

OKAY.

AND YOU'RE OVER HERE -- OH, YOU GOT A PICTURE OF THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL THERE.

>> YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON?

>> I'M A GRADUATE STUDENT, AND I'M TRANSCRIBING THIS INTERVIEW FOR SOMEONE WHO'S ACTUALLY DOING A BIOGRAPHY OF JOHN MITCHELL.

>> RIGHT.

SO THIS IS AN INTERVIEW THAT WAS DONE WITH HIM ON A NEWS PROGRAM YEARS AGO?

>> THIS WAS ON -- HERE IN L.A. ON BOB DORNAN'S SHOW IN 1971.

>> OH, BOY.

>> YEAH.

>> WELL, DO YOU FIND THIS PLACE HELPFUL WHEN YOU'RE DOING -- >> WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT EVERYONE HAS BEEN VERY ACCOMMODATING AND VERY HELPFUL.

>> YEAH.

GOOD, OKAY.

SO YOU'RE GETTING A GOOD REVIEW SO FAR.

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT OVER HERE?

>> COLLEGE CHEMISTRY KG-20-L. >> COLLEGE CHEMISTRY?

WHAT IS -- WHAT IS COLLEGE CHEMISTRY DOING ON THE LINEUP OVER HERE?

>> THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO FACILITIES THAT SUPPLY FILMS FOR THIS LAB, AND ONE OF THEM IS THE INSTRUCTIONAL MEDIA LIBRARY, AND THEY CARRY A LOT OF TAPES AND FILMS THAT ARE GEARED TOWARDS UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATION.

SO WHETHER IT'S CHEMISTRY, ANTHROPOLOGY, ENGLISH, WHATEVER THE COURSE, THEY SUPPLY SOME TAPES UP HERE, TOO.

THEY HAVE A COLLECTION OF, I THINK, AROUND 5,000 - 6,000 TAPES.

>> BOY, I DON'T KNOW HOW INTERESTING THIS ONE'S GONNA BE.

"FRESHMAN CHEMISTRY SOLUTION PREPARATION."

THAT DOESN'T SOUND -- ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT WATCHING THIS?

>> YES.

>> OH, OKAY.

WELL, HE'S A CHEMIST.

HE LIKES CHEMISTRY.

WE'RE GONNA COME IN HERE AND LOOK AT OLD -- WHAT ARE WE DOING IN HERE?

>> WELL, I PULLED SOME -- >> YOU'RE THE ONE WHO INVITED US IN HERE.

>> COME ON IN, LUIS.

WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE DOOR, I GUESS.

>> I PULLED ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN SHOWS FROM THE COLLECTION THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLES FROM THE COLLECTION, AND GOOD, FUN THINGS TO LOOK AT.

SO IT'LL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WE HAVE IN THE TELEVISION ARCHIVE.

>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE THIS DARK IN HERE?

I FEEL LIKE I'M IN A CAVE.

WELL, I GUESS IF WE WANT TO WATCH TELEVISION, DON'T WE?

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

[PROGRAM] >> MY SONG THEY CUT OUT.

[LAUGHTER] >> NOW WE'VE GOT OUR FIRST TAPE IN HERE.

AND WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT, AND WHY DID YOU CHOOSE IT BECAUSE I ASSUME EVERY TAPE YOU'VE CHOSEN TO SHOW US TODAY, THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

>> WELL, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I CHOSE THIS ONE 'CAUSE IT'S ONE OF MY VERY FAVORITE SHOWS HERE.

IT'S A JACK BENNY PROGRAM FROM SEPTEMBER -- NO, FROM OCTOBER OF 1953.

JACK BENNY'S SPECIAL GUEST IS HUMPHREY BOGART, WHO IS COMING IN RIGHT NOW.

>> AH.

>> AND THEY'RE DOING A WONDERFUL TAKEOFF ON A DRAGNET-TYPE SKIT HERE.

>> NOW, THIS WAS DONE ON FILM.

>> THIS WAS DONE LIVE.

>> OH, IT WAS DONE LIVE.

>> THIS WAS DONE LIVE AND RECORDED ON A KINESCOPE.

>> AND HOW DID YOU GET HOLD OF THIS?

>> ONE OF THE FIRST COLLECTIONS THAT CAME TO THE ARCHIVE MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO BEFORE I EVEN ARRIVED HERE WAS THE JACK BENNY COLLECTION.

JACK BENNY GAVE THE UNIVERSITY HIS COLLECTION OF TELEVISION AND RADIO PROGRAMS, AND IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT THE FIRST MAJOR COLLECTION THAT THE TELEVISION ARCHIVE RECEIVED.

>> BOY, THAT IS A MAJOR COLLECTION.

SO ANY -- >> IT'S ABOUT 200 -- >> ANYONE'S WHO'S STUDYING BENNY -- >> THIS IS THE PLACE TO COME.

>> -- WOULD COME HERE AND HAVE HIS WHOLE COLLECTION.

HIS RADIO PROGRAMS AS WELL.

>> RADIO PROGRAMS AS WELL.

THERE'S ABOUT 230 OR 240 TELEVISION PROGRAMS THAT GO FROM 1950 TO 1965.

>> AND HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE YOU PERSONALLY WATCHED, DAN?

>> WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE IN 1976 AS A VOLUNTEER WHEN I WAS GOING TO SCHOOL, THE FIRST JOB THAT THEY GAVE ME WAS TO CATALOG THE JACK BENNY SHOWS.

>> THAT'S NOT A JOB.

>> NO, NO.

AND JACK BENNY IS MY FAVORITE OF ALL TIME, AND I JUST THOUGHT I'VE DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN.

SO I'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF THESE.

>> AND 23 YEARS LATER, YOU'RE STILL HERE.

>> I'M STILL LOOKING AT 'EM, AND I'VE SEEN THIS SKIT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES, AND I -- IT'S AS FRESH AND AS WONDERFUL THE FIRST TIME -- AS THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S TAKE IT OUT AND PUT IN ANOTHER ONE.

SECOND TAPE.

>> SECOND TAPE.

>> THIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING 'CAUSE I HAD NO IDEA WHAT YOU'VE PREPARED FOR US.

>> LET'S HOPE IT COMES UP.

THERE WE GO.

THERE WE'VE GOT -- >> OH, NOW I RECOGNIZE THAT.

THAT'S THE NIXON-KHRUSHCHEV -- THE FAMOUS KITCHEN DEBATE IN MOSCOW IN 1959, I THINK IT WAS.

>> EXACTLY.

FROM JULY OF 1959.

VICE PRESIDENT NIXON AND NIKITA KHRUSHCHEV WERE TOURING A TRADE FAIR THAT WAS IN MOSCOW.

AND THEY WERE TOURING THE AMERICAN EXPOSITION, AND THEY STOPPED IN FRONT OF AN EXHIBIT OF AMPEX AND RCA COLOR TELEVISION EQUIPMENT AND HAD THIS KIND OF IMPROMPTU DEBATE THAT BECAME VERY, VERY FAMOUS.

>> NIXON TALKING ABOUT HOW GREAT AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY WAS.

>> RIGHT.

>> KHRUSHCHEV SAYING -- >> KHRUSHCHEV SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT THE SOVIET UNION.

>> WE'RE GONNA CATCH UP AND SURPASS YOU, AND WAVE BYE-BYE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, EXACTLY.

>> SEE, I REMEMBER THAT.

WELL, I WAS A SMALL CHILD, BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT.

NOW, WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?

>> IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE PRIME ARTIFACTS OF THE COLD WAR.

IT REALLY, REALLY IS.

AND YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND YOU CAN SEE HISTORY COMING RIGHT OUT AT YOU.

>> WHERE'D YOU GET THIS?

>> THIS IS -- THIS IS PRESERVED FROM THE ORIGINAL COLOR TAPE.

THE COLOR TAPE WAS HELD IN THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, AND WE GOT IT, AND IT'S PART OF OUR PRESERVATION PROGRAM.

WE DO A LOT OF PRESERVATION OF TELEVISION SHOWS AS WELL AS MOTION PICTURES.

>> SO YOU RESTORED THIS, AND ENHANCED IT, AND MADE IT REALLY -- IT REALLY SHINES.

>> WE BROUGHT IT BACK TO IT'S ORIGINAL GLORY, YES, RIGHT.

NOBODY HAS SEEN THIS IN COLOR BEFORE WE HAD DONE THIS IN ITS KIND OF VIBRANT COLOR IN YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.

[PROGRAM] >> NOW, VERY QUICKLY AND EASILY I WANT YOU TO LET YOUR MIND GO FORWARD IN TIME UNTIL YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE, OR SEE A SENSATION, OR SENSE SOMETHING IN ANY WAY.

AND AS SOON AS YOU CAN, SPEAKING QUITE CLEARLY, TELL ME WHAT YOU CAN SEE, FEEL, OR SENSE.

>> NOW, THIS IS?

>> "ADVENTURES IN HYPNOTISM" FROM 1957.

A LOCAL SHOW FROM CHANNEL 13 IN LOS ANGELES.

>> "ADVENTURES IN HYPNOTISM."

SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HYPNOTIZE SOMEONE ON THE AIR?

>> THEY HYPNOTIZED PEOPLE ON THE AIR.

AND THE REASON I CHOSE THIS ONE TO FOLLOW THE NIXON-KHRUSHCHEV ONE IS BECAUSE THIS MAN IS HYPNOTIZED, AND HE'S GOING INTO THE FUTURE, AND THE RUSSIANS HAVE INVADED.

AND HE'S THE ONLY ONE LEFT, AND HE'S FIGHTING THE RUSSIANS.

>> SOUNDS LIKE A TWILIGHT ZONE TO ME.

>> KIND OF, YES.

BUT THE REASON I THINK THIS IS SO FASCINATING - - AND I MENTIONED WITH THE NIXON-KHRUSHCHEV, THE COLD WAR -- IS YOU CAN SEE HOW DEEPLY INGRAINED THE COLD WAR MENTALITY AND THE FEAR WAS.

IF SOMEBODY'S HYPNOTIZED, AND HE'S GOING THROUGH THIS KIND OF THING, HOW DEEP WAS THAT FEAR IN THE 50'S OF THE COLD WAR.

>> SO YOUR PROGRAMS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM, HAVE ALL KINDS OF LAYERS TO THEM.

>> EXACTLY.

>> POLITICAL, SOCIOLOGICAL, PSYCH -- YOU KNOW.

>> EVERYTHING.

>> THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE TIME.

>> YEAH.

YOU CAN LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE PROGRAM WAS PRODUCED, THE PEOPLE, THE WAY SOCIETY WAS, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE COME ABOUT BY WATCHING OLD AND NEW TELEVISION.

IT'S A MIRROR OF WHAT OUR SOCIETY IS.

>> HOW LONG DID THIS SHOW LAST ON CHANNEL 13?

>> I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS THE ONLY ONE OF THEM I'VE EVER SEEN.

I DON'T IMAGINE IT LASTED VERY LONG, BUT -- >> THIS MAY HAVE BEEN IT.

>> YEAH.

[LAUGHTER] I DON'T IMAGINE IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE TO PRODUCE BECAUSE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE LITTLE, CHEAP PLASTIC GARDEN CHAIR THERE THEY'RE SITTING ON.

>> WELL, PLUS WE'VE STAYED ON THIS ONE GUY'S FACE FOR THREE MINUTES HERE WITH HIS EYES CLOSED KIND OF MUMBLING ABOUT COMMUNISM.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, YEAH.

IT'S PRETTY FUNNY.

[PROGRAM] >> PONTIAC STAR PARADE, 58-2-16, SANDBURG, SECTION 12, SCENE 2, TAKE 2.

>> WHAT WAS THAT?

>> WELL, I MENTIONED OUR PRESERVATION PROGRAM HERE AT UCLA.

ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE PRESERVED WAS A GENE KELLY SPECIAL FROM 1959.

[BOTH] >> WITH CARL SANDBURG.

>> AND AS WELL AS -- IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL SHOW, WE GOT A REEL OF OUTTAKES THAT HAS A COUPLE OF TAKES OF THIS ONE NUMBER WITH GENE KELLY AND CARL SANDBURG ATTEMPTING TO SING "TURKEY IN THE STRAW" WHILE KELLY DANCES TO IT.

>> CARL SANDBURG PLAYING AND SINGING "TURKEY IN THE --" WAIT A MINUTE, HERE HE IS.

WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S WATCH THIS.

[PROGRAM] >> ...GENE.

IT WAS A GOOD TUNE TO DANCE TO, AND HE SAID IT WAS A NATURAL, AS GOOD AS THEY COME.

AND TONIGHT -- TONIGHT I MAY BE STARTING A WHOLE NEW CAREER IN A VAUDEVILLE ACT.

♪ AS I WAS -- [PROGRAM] >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S STOP.

LET'S STOP AND GO ONCE RIGHT AWAY AGAIN.

ONCE RIGHT AWAY AGAIN.

>> SO THAT WAS AN OUTTAKE.

>> THAT'S AN OUTTAKE, SO IT -- >> BOY, I TELL YOU WHAT, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE NERVE TO STOP CARL SANDBURG IN MID-SENTENCE SINGING "TURKEY IN THE STRAW."

>> I KNOW.

I KNOW.

>> GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

>> SO HERE'S ANOTHER TAKE OF IT.

[PROGRAM] >> ARE WE GONNA DO OUR OWN CHORD CHANGE?

[PROGRAM] >> WELL, SURE WE ARE.

COME ON, CHARLIE.

>> DOES HE EVER SING IT?

>> YES.

THERE'S ANOTHER MIS-TAKE, AND THEN FINALLY THEY GET IT RIGHT.

>> NOW, WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS TAPE?

>> OH, I THINK -- >> I MEAN WHAT CLASSES, WHAT STUDENTS, WHAT SCHOLARS?

HOW WOULD THIS FIT INTO -- >> WELL, YOU HAVE CARL SANDBURG, ONE OF THE PREEMINENT WRITERS AND POETS OF THE 20TH CENTURY.

YOU'VE GOT GENE KELLY, WHO'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THE -- THE TOP DANCERS IN MOTION PICTURE AND TELEVISION HISTORY.

SO ON THAT LEVEL ALONE, IT'S JUST FASCINATING.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.

>> BUT IT'S ALSO A WAY OF SEEING CARL SANDBURG THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE.

>> THAT WE'VE NEVER SEEN HIM BEFORE, NO.

NO, EXACTLY.

>> SO YOU WOULD HAVE ENGLISH STUDENTS IN HERE.

YOU WOULD HAVE -- THERE HE GOES.

[PROGRAM] >> [M] FIRE TEAM AND A HEAVY LOAD.

CRACKED MY WHIP AND THE LEADER SPRUNG.

I SAYS DAVEY TO THE WAGON, TOM.

TURKEY IN THE STRAW, TURKEY IN THE HAY.

ROLL 'EM UP, TWIST 'EM UP, AND I TOOK ALL.

HIT 'EM UP A TUNE CALLED TURKEY IN THE STRAW.

[PROGRAM] >> YOU CAN PLAY IT UNTIL YOU'RE 80 BECAUSE YOUR LIPS ARE THE LAST THING TO WRINKLE.

[LAUGHTER] >> DINAH SHORE AND?

>> BENNY GOODMAN.

>> OH, MY GOD.

>> FROM THE DINAH SHORE CHEVY SHOW FROM THE VERY EARLY 60'S.

>> AND THIS IS PART OF A WHOLE COLLECTION YOU HAVE?

DO YOU HAVE THE DINAH SHORE COLLECTION?

>> WE HAVE SOME DINAH SHORE SHOWS.

WE, THIS SUMMER, PRESENTED A SCREENING AT THE TELEVISION ACADEMY CALLED "DINAH SHORE, THE NBC YEARS" IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ACADEMY AND A COMPANY CALLED RESEARCH VIDEO WHICH DOES HAVE THE DINAH SHORE SHOWS.

AND RESEARCH VIDEO AND UCLA PRESERVED A NUMBER OF DINAH SHORE SHOWS, AND WE TOOK EXCERPTS FOR ABOUT A 75-MINUTE PROGRAM OF CLIPS OF DINAH SINGING WITH EVERYBODY FROM BENNY GOODMAN TO FRANK SINATRA TO NAT KING COLE TO MAHALIA JACKSON.

WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL STUFF IN COLOR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO'VE SEEN THIS BLACK AND WHITE, PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THIS IN COLOR SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY BROADCAST.

>> NOW, WHY WOULD DINAH SHORE -- IT BE IMPORTANT TO WATCH HER SHOWS?

>> WELL, ASIDE FROM BEING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED AND GRACIOUS WOMEN ON TELEVISION, DINAH WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR.

SHE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A WOMAN WHO HAD A VERY, VERY POPULAR SHOW FOR MANY, MANY YEARS IN A TIME WHEN WOMEN DIDN'T HAVE SUCH -- YOU KNOW, WOMEN WEREN'T AS POPULAR AS MEN IN TERMS OF TELEVISION PROGRAMS.

>> SO REALLY AGAIN THIS IS A WAY OF -- KIND OF THROUGH THE MEDIUM OF TELEVISION -- UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE COUNTRY WAS LIKE AT ANY PARTICULAR GIVEN TIME.

>> RIGHT, EXACTLY.

AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE PERFORMERS LIKE BENNY GOODMAN AND JIMMY DURANTE AND GROUCHO MARX, WHO ARE NO LONGER WITH US, BUT TO SEE THEM IN THEIR PRIME IS JUST -- IT'S JUST A REAL TREAT.

>> YEAH.

♪ YOU KNOW MY LOVE FOR YOU WILL DRIVE ME TO RUIN ♪ AFTER YOU'VE GONE, AFTER YOU'VE GONE AWAY >> OKAY, NOW IT GETS REAL EXCITING BECAUSE WE HAVE LEFT THE POWELL LIBRARY.

WE HAVE COME TO ANOTHER LOCATION ON THE UCLA CAMPUS.

WE'RE ABOUT TWO LEVELS DOWN ACTUALLY INTO THE GROUND.

>> RIGHT.

>> IN KIND OF A -- WE'RE IN THE CATACOMBS HERE.

>> YES.

IT'S CALLED THE SOUTHERN REGIONAL LIBRARY FACILITY.

IT'S WHERE THE ARCHIVE STORES ITS FILM AND TAPES.

>> AND HERE'S THE LADY STANDING HERE BEHIND -- THIS LOOKS LIKE SERIOUS BUSINESS HERE.

>> IT IS VERY SERIOUS.

GREAT SECURITY HERE.

>> YOU DON'T LET JUST ANYBODY IN.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

PEOPLE HAVE TO BE BONDED, IN FACT, TO WORK HERE IN THIS PART OF THE BUILDING.

>> YOU'RE KIDDING.

>> NO.

>> WELL, WE'RE NOT BONDED.

>> WELL, WE'RE GONNA -- WE ARE, AND WE'RE GONNA LET YOU IN.

>> OH, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YOUR NAME IS?

>> CLARE BALLANTE.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE FACILITY.

>> WELL, LET US IN.

THIS IS -- OH, MAN.

YOU CAN FEEL THE COLD AIR IN HERE.

WHY DO YOU KEEP IT SO COLD?

>> COLDER TEMPERATURES AND LOWER HUMIDITY HELP PRESERVE MATERIALS, ESPECIALLY FILM.

AND WE MAINTAIN THIS SECTION OF THE BUILDING AT 60 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT AND 45 PERCENT RELATIVE HUMIDITY.

>> AND TO SAY YOU HAVE FILM IN HERE IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE ARE ABOUT 30,000 SQUARE FEET OF SHELVING AREA HERE, AND THEY'RE MOSTLY FILM -- FILLED WITH FILM.

>> OKAY, WE HAVE FILM HERE.

WE HAVE TELEVISION -- ARE YOU ALL THE TV GUYS?

>> CLOSE ENOUGH.

>> OKAY.

WHERE DO YOU -- WHAT IS ALL OF THIS WE'RE LOOKING AT?

>> THESE ARE THE MATERIALS THAT THE UCLA FILM AND TELEVISION ARCHIVES HAS DEPOSITED HERE SO THAT THEY CAN BE STORED IN RELATIVE SAFETY AS I'M SURE CLARE WAS EXPLAINING TO YOU.

>> AND IT'S YOUR JOB TO?

>> IT'S MY JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FIND EVERYTHING.

>> THIS IS BASICALLY WHERE YOU KEEP EVERYTHING.

>> THIS IS WHERE EVERYTHING -- EXCEPT OUR NITRATE FILM WHICH IS STORED IN HOLLYWOOD IN SPECIAL NITRATE VAULTS -- THIS IS WHERE EVERYTHING ELSE IS KEPT.

AND IT'S TEMPERATURE AND HUMIDITY CONTROLLED.

IT'S VERY NICE AND CLEAN.

IT'S EARTHQUAKE-PROOF -- SO THEY SAY.

>> IT'S CATALOGUED.

>> IT'S CATALOGUED AND INVENTORIED.

EVERYTHING IS BAR CODED SO WE CAN FIND IT WHEN WE NEED IT.

>> AND HOW MUCH STUFF DO YOU HAVE DOWN HERE?

HOW MUCH TV DO YOU HAVE DOWN HERE?

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF REAL COUNT, BUT I KNOW THAT IN TERMS OF PROGRAMS WE HAVE ABOUT 70,000 TELEVISION PROGRAMS IN THE TELEVISION COLLECTION.

>> REALLY?

>> UH-HUH.

>> DATING BACK TO?

>> 1946 TO YESTERDAY.

>> REALLY?

>> UH-HUH.

>> ALL RIGHT.

I SEE -- WELL, NOW YOU'VE GOT EMPTY SHELVES HERE.

>> RIGHT.

>> SO THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA BE?

>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ROOM TO EXPAND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE WONDERS OF THIS PLACE.

IT'S GONNA BE GREAT.

>> WELL, THIS IS OLD STUFF.

>> THIS IS OLD STUFF.

AND WHAT WE'RE -- WE'VE COME RIGHT TO SOME KCET MATERIAL.

>> WHAT HAVE YOU GOT FROM -- OH, YOU'VE GOT "HOLLYWOOD TELEVISION THEATER" FROM KCET.

>> "HOLLYWOOD TELEVISION THEATER" FROM THE EARLY AND MID-1970'S.

SOME WONDERFUL PRODUCTIONS THAT KCET DID.

>> "THE BING CROSBY SHOW."

I'M JUST LOOKING -- "FAMILY AFFAIR," "HAMLET," "PERRY COMO SHOW."

SOME OF THESE I'VE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE.

>> NO?

[LAUGHTER] >> BUT -- "THE BRADY BUNCH"?

>> "THE BRADY BUNCH."

YOU GOTTA HAVE THOSE.

>> "THE WALTER WINCHELL FILE," "ART LINKLETTER --" IS IT ALL RIGHT IF I TAKE ONE OF THESE OUT?

>> SURE, GO AHEAD.

>> "ART LINKLETTER AND THE KIDS."

>> RIGHT.

THAT'S WHEN ART WOULD HAVE THOSE KIDS ON AND INTERVIEW THEM, AND "KIDS SAY THE DARNEDEST THINGS."

>> SO THIS JUST -- LOOK, HERE'S "THE STEVE ALLEN SHOW" UP HERE.

>> RIGHT.

WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF -- WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STEVE ALLEN SHOWS FROM THE MID-1960'S.

>> "MARSHAL áDILLON."

HERE'S ONE CALLED "TAP DAY FOR KITTY."

>> "TAP DAY FOR KITTY."

>> MISS KITTY.

[LAUGHTER] SO REALLY -- HERE ARE THE "GUNSMOKE."

YOU REALLY DO HAVE EVERYTHING IN HERE.

>> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING, BUT WE TRY.

WE'VE GOT A GOOD BALANCE OF THINGS HERE.

WE'VE GOT AN AWFUL LOT OF STUFF.

>> NOW, WE'VE TAKEN KIND OF A LITTLE SIDE TRIP.

CLARE IS GIVING ME A TOUR OF THE?

>> THE NEWS AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS INFORMATION.

THIS IN HERE IS KTLA NEWS RECORDINGS.

>> SO YOU JUST RECORD THE NEWS RIGHT OFF THE AIR.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT THE ARCHIVE DOES.

>> OH, MY GOSH.

THIS IS KABC, "60 MINUTES," "CBS MORNING NEWS," "SUNDAY MORNING."

YOU'VE GOT IT ALL.

>> IT'S ALL HERE.

>> NOW, YOU CAN'T RECORD ALL THE NEWSCASTS THAT GO ON THE AIR.

>> NO.

WE RECORD THE THREE NETWORK NIGHTLY NEWSES -- NIGHTLY NEWSES?

[LAUGHTER] AND WE RECORD SOME OF THE LOCAL NEWS, BUT NOT EVERYTHING, OF COURSE, NO.

>> JUST TO GIVE FUTURE RESEARCHERS A WAY OF COMING AND JUST KIND OF GETTING A LOOK AT WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GOING ON, HOW TELEVISION WOULD HAVE REPORTED -- >> RIGHT.

>> -- THE NEWS ON ANY CERTAIN DAY OF THE YEAR.

>> RIGHT.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE RIOTS WERE A FEW YEARS AGO AND THE EARTHQUAKE, WE JUST RECORDED NIGHT AND DAY A LOT OF THE LOCAL STATIONS, THE COMPLETE REPORTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE SIGNIFICANT EVENTS.

>> AND WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS NOT ONLY THE EVENTS THEMSELVES BUT THE WAY THEY WERE REPORTED WHICH IS A STORY IN ITSELF, RIGHT?

>> SURE.

IF YOU LOOK AT A TELEVISION NEWSCAST FROM 1975 OR SOMETHING, WHICH REALLY IS NOT THAT LONG AGO, AND COMPARE IT WITH NOW, IT'S JUST A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING.

>> YEAH.

>> IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN THE GRAPHICS AND THE SOPHISTICATION AND ALL OF THAT.

>> OR THE SENSITIVITY.

>> AND THE SENSITIVITY, SURE.

>> THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, ALL THE THINGS THAT COME AND GO FROM DECADE TO DECADE.

>> RIGHT.

IT ALL CHANGES, AND IT'S VALUABLE TO HAVE THAT RECORD OF THE CHANGE.

>> WELL, YOU ARE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE HERE.

>> WE KNOW.

>> I MEAN, REALLY, YOU'VE GOT THE WHOLE HISTORY OF TELEVISION RIGHT HERE.

>> IT'S VERY EXCITING -- IT'S VERY EXCITING TO BE A PART OF THIS OPERATION.

>> HOW FAR -- WHERE DOES THIS STOP, DAN?

WHERE DO YOU -- WHEN DO YOU -- I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH TELEVISION, THERE'S SO MANY CHANNELS, THERE'S SO MUCH PROGRAMMING.

>> RIGHT.

>> YOU COULD FILL THIS BUILDING UP IN A DAY IF YOU PUT EVERYTHING IN HERE.

>> YOU SURE COULD.

>> HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN HERE AND WHAT YOU'RE NOT?

>> WELL, WE JUST TAKE EVERYTHING THAT FILM AND TELEVISION HAS SELECTED AS THE -- AS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO ADD TO THEIR COLLECTION.

>> SO YOU JUST GET THE MATERIAL?

HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHAT TO SEND HER?

>> WELL, AN AWFUL LOT OF IT IS A RESULT OF PEOPLE COMING TO US AND SAYING, "WE HAVE THIS.

WOULD YOU LIKE IT?"

AND A LOT OF IT IS WE GO OUT AND LOOK FOR MATERIAL.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE RECENT THINGS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT I DON'T THINK HAS EVEN COME UP TO YOU GUYS YET IS SOME DICK VAN DYKE SHOWS.

WE HAVE 1-INCH TAPES OF, I THINK, EVERY DICK VAN DYKE SHOW EPISODE THAT WE GOT FROM THE COMPANY, FROM CALVADA PRODUCTIONS.

>> BUT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP AND WHAT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO KEEP BECAUSE, I MEAN, TELEVISION IS JUST -- IT'S ENDLESS.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

WELL, IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION, AND IT'S ONE THAT THE PHILOSOPHERS ARE PONDERING ALL THE TIME.

>> WELL, YOU'VE ONLY GOT SO MUCH ROOM DOWN HERE.

EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA RUN OUT IF HE KEEPS SENDING YOU EVERYTHING.

>> WE -- ACTUALLY, THOUGH, THIS IS PHASE TWO OF THREE SCHEDULED BUILDINGS THAT WILL EVENTUALLY HOLD 11.5 MILLION-VOLUME EQUIVALENCE.

SO WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO.

WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR ABOUT TEN MORE YEARS BEFORE WE NEED TO BUILD THE THIRD PHASE.

>> YEAH, BUT TV'S JUST GETTING GOING.

WE'RE JUST -- >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> I MEAN -- >> WELL, WHEN WE FILL UP THIS ROOM, THE OTHER BUILDING WILL BE OPEN, AND THEN WE'LL JUST MOVE RIGHT IN THERE, AND THEN WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING.

>> WELL, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING YOU'RE DOING, AND IT IS TUCKED AWAY HERE IN THIS FACILITY.

IT'S NOT TUCKED AWAY WHERE WE WERE EARLIER.

>> NO.

>> WHERE PEOPLE CAN CALL -- WE'LL PUT A NUMBER ON THE SCREEN NOW -- TO FIND OUT ABOUT HOW THEY CAN ACCESS SOME OF THIS, SEE SOME OF THIS WONDERFUL OLD FOOTAGE SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST HIDDEN AWAY AND PRESERVED.

IT'S ACTUALLY MADE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING RESEARCH AND DOING SCHOLARLY THINGS TO LOOK AT TELEVISION WHICH HAS BEEN SUCH A LARGE PART OF OUR LIVES FOR 50 YEARS NOW.

>> EXACTLY.

AND WE HAVE PUBLIC PROGRAMS AS WELL.

WE DO TELEVISION SCREENINGS AT THE TELEVISION ACADEMY A FEW TIMES A YEAR, LIKE THE DINAH SHORE SHOW I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT AND THE GENE KELLY SHOW.

WE SHOWED THOSE A FEW YEARS AGO.

SO THE PUBLIC CAN GO SEE TELEVISION NOT ON THE CAMPUS BUT IN A BEAUTIFUL THEATER AS WELL.

>> OKAY.

YOU DO A GOOD JOB.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

DO YOU NEED US TO SEND YOU FOOD OR ANYTHING DOWN HERE?

[LAUGHTER] OR DO YOU WANT TO SEND MESSAGES OUT TO YOUR FAMILY?

YOU DO GET OUT?

>> ONCE IN A WHILE, YEAH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> DAN, THIS HAS BEEN GREAT.

>> THANK YOU.

THIS HAS BEEN FUN.

>> THE UCLA FILM AND TELEVISION ARCHIVE, VERY MUCH A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND REALLY DOING A WONDERFUL JOB IN PRESERVING THIS RICH -- I WAS GONNA SAY THE RICH TELEVISION HERITAGE -- BUT ALL OF OUR TELEVISION HERITAGE.

SOME OF IT IS RICHER THAN OTHERS, BUT IT'S ALL PART OF TELEVISION FOR BETTER OR WORSE.

AND YEARS FROM NOW, 100 YEARS FROM NOW, 200 YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY -- WELL, WE'RE GONNA DONATE THIS TAPE OF THIS PROGRAM TO YOU.

>> UH-HUH.

>> SO YOU'LL BE PUTTING IT -- THIS SHOW SOMEWHERE ON THE SHELF.

>> SOMEWHERE.

>> AND SOME YEARS FROM NOW -- >> AND SOMEONE'S GONNA LOOK AT IT.

>> LONG AFTER WE'RE GONE.

SOMEONE WILL COME AND SAY, "WOW, LOOK AT THOSE OLD FUDDY- DUDDIES TALKING ABOUT TELEVISION IN ITS INFANCY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, EXACTLY.

>> IT'S ALL PART OF HISTORY.

NEVER ENDING.

IT'S PART OF OUR TELEVISION HERITAGE.

♪ WITH MY BABY BY AND BY, AND BY ♪ WITH MY BABY BY AND BY... >> MY, THAT'S STRANGE.

>> WHAT'S STRANGE?

>> I'M SO CRAZY ABOUT YOU, BUT THAT KISS DIDN'T AFFECT ME AT ALL.

>> THAT'S FUNNY.

I'M A WRECK.

[LAUGHTER] >> SEE YOU LATER, JACK.

>> UH, DON'T FORGET.

MARILYN, DON'T FORGET DINNER TONIGHT.

>> I WON'T.

>> AT 8 O'CLOCK.

>> I'LL REMEMBER.

[LAUGHTER] >> MARILYN, COME BACK HERE A MINUTE.

PLEASE COME BACK.

MARILYN, GIVE ME ONE MORE KISS BEFORE YOU GO.

[LAUGHTER] [SHIP HORN] HEY, WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU'RE NOT MARILYN MONROE.

>> WELL, YOU AIN'T NO ERROL FLYNN!

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