>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, A CLOSER LOOK AT WHY THE U.S. CREDIT RATING WAS DOWNGRADED AND WHAT IT MEANS TO THE ECONOMY.

>>> A NEW WINERY AND RESTAURANT IN COTTONWOOD AND WE HEAR FROM A GUITAR DUO AT THE UPCOMING GRAND CANYON FESTIVAL.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

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>>> A GROUP HAS FILED A LAWSUIT TO KEEP DONALD TRUMP FROM COLORADO'S PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY BALLOT AND ARGUES TRUMP IS IMPROVE ELIGIBLE TO RUN DUE TO A CLAUSE IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND BARS CANDIDATES WHO HAVE SUPPORTED A, QUOTE, INSURRECTION.

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>>> THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN REPORTS THAT FLAGSTAFF'S NEWSPAPER, THE ARIZONA DAILY SUN HAS BEEN SOLD.

LEE ENTERPRISES WHICH OWNED THE PAPER FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS SOLD THE SUN TO WICK COMMUNICATIONS BASED IN SIERRA VICEVISTA AND THEY OWN SEVERAL HERE IN ARIZONA.

THE "DAILY SUN" IS THE LARGEST IN NORTHERN ARIZONA AND REACHES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF READERS ON THE VARIOUS PLATFORMS.

>>> THE U.S. CREDIT RATING WAS RECENTLY DOWNGRADE BIDGRADED BY A FIRM OF POLITICAL DIVISIONS AS FACTORS IN THE MOVE AND FOR MORE OF THE IMPACT TO THE ECONOMY, WE WELCOME JEFFREY SMITH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US HERE.

BEFORE WE GET DEEPLY INTO THIS, WHAT IS A CREDIT RATING AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT EITHER GOES UP OR DOWN?

>> SO THERE'S COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE RATINGS TO INVESTORS WITH RESPECT TO TEA DEFAULT RISK AND THAT'S THE CHANCE THAT THE BON BOND ISSUER WON'T PAY AS PROMISED.

THEY'RE MAKING WHETHER THE BORROWER WILL PAY ON TIME OR SCHEDULE.

>> Ted: SO FITCH DID THIS RATING'S CUT AND THEY MAKE THIS, I GUESS, THE PRONOUNCEMENT?

IS THAT WHAT THIS IS IN.

>> INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY RISK FEE WITH A GOVERNMENT OWNED BOND, YOU MAY NOT GET PAID AS PROMISED.

>> Ted: LONG-TERM DEFICITS KEEP GROWING AND 33 TRILLION OR SOME CRAZY NUMBER AND AMONG THE REASONS, THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT?

>> THEY WERE MORE FOCUSED ON THE POLITICAL PROCESS, THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEBATE OVER RAISING THE DEBT LIMIT AND THAT SENDS A SIGNAL WE MAY NOT PAY ON TIME BECAUSE CONGRESS CAN'T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND RAISE THE DEALT LIMIT.

SO I THINK THEY'RE APPOINTING MORE TOWARDS THAT.

>> Ted: LIKE CONFIDENCE AND BASIC FISCAL MANAGEMENT?

>> BASIC FISCAL MANAGEMENT.

THE DEFICITS ARE HUGE EVERY YEAR AND DEBATES WHETHER TO RAISE THE CREDIT LIMIT AND AMOUNT OF DEBT IS GROWING.

>> Ted: WE'VE HAD DEBATES AND THIS ISN'T SOMETHING NEW.

WHY DOES FITCH DO THIS NOW IN.

>> YOU?

>> IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE BATTLES IN CONGRESS HAVE BECOME MORE PITCHED.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE MORE POLITICALIZATION OF THIS PROCESS AND, PERHAPS, THEY WANT TO SEND A SIGNAL THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS BECAUSE IT MAKES PEOPLE WORRY THAT THEY WON'T GET PAID.

>> Ted: I THINK THE TREASURY SECRETARY USED THE WORDS "ARBITRARY" AND "BIZARRE."

>> YOU KNOW, THAT'S HER OPINION BUT FITCH HAS THEIR INVESTORS THAT ARE WANTING GOOD ANALYSIS OF THE FAULT RISK.

>> Ted: HOW OFTEN HAS THE U.S. CREDIT RATING BEEN DOWNGRADED?

>> I DON'T THINK EVER.

IT'S RISK FREE.

>> Ted: IS THIS A CEREMONIAL MOVE OR DO THEY SEE -- IN U.S. BONDS FOR INSTANCE IN.

>> IT'S A HEIGHT YOU HIGH RATING AND NOT RISK FREE.

WILL IT AFFECT THE COST OF BORROWING?

I THINK IT WILL.

>> Ted: TALK TO US ABOUT THAT AND WHAT IT MEANS.

>> IF INVESTORS SEE THERE'S A SMALL CHANCE THEY WON'T GET PAID, THEY DEMAND A HIGHER RATE AND THAT WILL INCREASE THE COST OF BORROWING TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THERE'S A REAL IMPACT, I THINK.

>> IN YOUR OPINION, COULD THIS BE THE OPINION AND WILL WE SEE MORE OF THIS TREND?

>> WE HAVE 33 TRILLION IN DEBT AND IT WILL BE HARD TO PAY BACK WITHOUT EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES, IN MY OPINION AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE -- THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE MONEY SUPPLY.

WHAT THEY DO IS CREATE NEW MONEY TO PAY OFF THE BONDS.

WHILE THEY MAY NOT DEFAULT IN TERMS OF PAYMENTS, IT'S DEFAULT IN TERMS OF DEPLACE DEPLACE.

DEFLATION.

>> Ted: THE CHANCE THE U.S. WILL DEFAULT IS STILL DIM AND DISTANT?

>> DIM AND HORIZONTAL AND DISTANT AND ESSENTIALLY RISK FREE.

>> Ted: WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN FOR US EVERY DAY AMERICANS?

>> THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GET IT BACK TOGETHER WITH RESPECT TO SENDING A SIGNAL TO MARKETS THAT THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT PAYING.

WHEN YOU HAVE DEBATES OVER THE CREDIT LIMIT, IT MAKES THE MARKETS MORE WORRIED THAN THEY WOULD BE.

>> Ted: WITH THAT IN MIND, HOW BEST DO WE TURN THIS BATTLESHIP AROUND?

>> THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY'LL BORROW AND NOT TURN IT INTO A POLITICAL ISSUE.

WHEN IT BECOMES A POLITICAL ISSUE, PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

>> Ted: TRIPLE A AND DOUBLE A PLUS, IT'S NOT THE BIGGEST THING BUT A SHOT ACROSS THE BOW.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT.

>> Ted: MAYBE YOU KNOW THIS AND MAYBE YOU DON'T.

FITCH SAYS TRIPLE A, DOUBLE A PLUS, WE'RE GOING TO GET LUNCH.

WHO MADE FITCH IN CHARGE HERE AND HOW SERIOUS DO WE TAKE THIS?

WELL, FITCH THEMSELVES HAVE A REPUTATION TO LIVE UP TO THEIR INVESTORS AND SO THE VALUE OF THEIR CREDIT RATINGS DEPENDS ON THE VALUE OF THEIR ACCURACY.

THEY NEED TO MAKING A ACCURATE DECISIONS.

>> Ted: IS THIS IDEA BEING FOLLOWED BY OTHER CREDIT FIRMS?

>> OTHER CREDIT FIRMS, ALSO ALSO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO MAKE GOOD PREDICTIONIONS, AS WELL.

THEY CAN DISAGREE.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS CREDIT RATINGS, DO THEY HAPPEN AT A CERTAIN INTERVAL OR WHEN THEY HAPPEN?

>> I'M NOT SURE OF THE SCHEDULE.

>> Ted: I'M SAYING, WHAT SHOULD WE LOOK FOR IF FITCH GOES TO TRIPLE AMTRIPTRIPLE A OR DOUBLE A.

>> IF PEOPLE THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS A SMALL CHANCE AT DEFAULT, THEY'LL SPEND THEIR MONEY RATHER THAN SAVE IT OR THEY'LL DEMAND A HIGHER RATE TO GIVE A LOAN TO THE GOVERNMENT AND FLOWS INTO THE RATE WHICH FLOWS INTO CONSUMER LOANS, AS WELL.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT CONSUMER LOANS ARE PRICED OFF OF THE GOVERNMENT'S RATE, THEN IF THE GOVERNMENT RATE GOES UP, THE CONSUMER RATE WILL FOLLOW SUIT.

IT DOES AFFECT CONSUMERS, AS WELL.

>> Ted: GOOD STUFF, AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> Ted: MUSICIAN AND WINE MAKER ON THE OPENING OF HIS NEW WINERY IN COTTONWOOD.

>> MAYNARD JAMES IS OPENING A WINERY IN COTTONWOOD AND THE PROJECT INCLUDES A WINE CELLAR AND TASTING ROOM AND GOES ALONG WITH THE GROWING OF GRAPES AND FOOD.

WE WELCOME THE LEAD SING OF, TOOL "AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THIS IS QUITE THE PROJECT.

>> YES, SIR.

>> Ted: WITH SEVEN ACRES OF GROUND.

>> JUST UNDER EIGHT ACRES OF LAND AND FIVE ACRES UNDER BUYING AND A FEW BUILDINGS.

>> Ted: IS THIS A PROJECT YOU'VE LOOKED FORWARD TO AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE KIND OF LEAD UP TO THIS?

>> YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A PLACE THAT'S ISOLATED AND A WAREHOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE AND BRINGS IT BACK TO TOWN AND GIVENS PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING THROUGH AN IDEA OF WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THE WINE IN THE BOTTLE, SEEING THE VIDEOTAPE, WINE, GRAPES AND PRODUCTION AND MAKING FOOD NEXT TO OUR GREENHOUSE.

WOODFIRE PIZZA OVEN, HOMEMADE PASTAS.

>> Ted: IS THIS OLDTOWN COTTONWOOD?

>> YEAH, OLDTOWN.

>> Ted: LOOKING OVER HILLTOP?

>> THE OLD MASONIC LODGE ON THE HILL.

>> Ted: IS THE GOAL TO COMBINE ALL OF THIS TOGETHER FOR, WHAT, AN ALL ENCOMPASSING EXPERIENCE?

WHAT'S BEHIND IN?

>> THIS?

PEOPLE RESPOND TO SOMETHING THEY CAN CONNECT TO AND ALSO CONTEXT, UNDERSTANDING THAT ARIZONA WINES ARE WORLD-CLASS AND PLACING THEM IN A SETTING TO COMPARE THEM TO THE FOOD AND SETTING AND TO THE REGION, THE TIME, THE SPACE.

IT'S CONNECTING ALL THE DOTS FOR PEOPLE AND ANYBODY WHO HAS DOUBTS ABOUT ARIZONA ARIZONA WINE, WE CAN RIGHT MOVECAN REMOVE THAT.

>> Ted: DO PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT WINE?

>> THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TIME AND IF I CAN GRAB YOUR ATTENTION AND POUR YOU A GLASS, YOU'LL PAY ATTENTION.

>> Ted: PRECONCEPTIONS OF ARIZONA WINES, WHAT'S CHANGING AND GIVE US AN OVERVIEW HERE.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT DID IT RIGHT AND OREGON, THEY KIND OF PUT THEIR NOSE TO THE GRINDSTONE AND RAISED THE BAR FOR THE QUALITY OF THE WINES ACROSS THE STATE AND FORCED PEOPLE TO CATCH UP.

THERE'S OTHER STATES WHERE THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT AND THEY'VE GONE THE TRUCK-STOP CHEAP CRITTER ON THE LABEL WINES THAT WILL NEVER BE RENOWNED AND NOT A LOT OF EFFORT IN THEM.

WE'RE CHOOSING THE BETTER ROAD.

>> Ted: AND AS FAR AS YOU GETTING INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS, WHEN YOU STARTED, WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED DIGGING DIRT AND PLANTING GRAPES, WHAT DID YOU SEE FOR YOUR FUTURE AND FOR THE FUTURE OF YOUR PROJECT?

IS THIS WHAT YOU SAW, BASICALLY, WHAT'S OPENING NEXT MONTH?

>> I'VE BEEN AROUND THE WORLD IN BEAUTIFUL REGIONS THAT ARE SELF-SUSTAINING THAT GROW THEIR OWN FOOD AND MAKE THEIR OWN WINE AND LOCAL INDUSTRIES THAT THRIVE AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING HELPS THE LOCAL HEARTBEAT BEAT LOUDER AND FASTER AND STRONGER AND MORE SUSTAINABLE.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS MANY PEOPLE, MOST PERHAPS, KNOW YOU FROM YOUR MUSIC AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR SO MANY YEARS.

WHEN THEY FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE A WINE MAKER AND TO THIS EXTENT, THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS FOR YOU.

THEY WANT TO KNOW WHY AND WHAT HAPPENED.

WAS THIS AN AH-HA MOMENT?

YOU'VE LIVED A LOT OF LIVES AND HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS IN YOUR LIFE.

IS SOMETHING ALL PERK PERCOLATING?

>> I'M FROM A SMALL TOWN, WESTERN MICHIGAN SURROUNDED BY ASPARAGUS, CATTLE, HOGS, CORN, APPLES, PEACHES, CHERRIES AND I WORKED A LOT ON THOSE FARMS.

THOSE ARE MY ROOTS AND THE MUSIC IS GOING ON AND IT WAS AFTER ALL OF THAT.

I'M RETURNING TO MY ROOTS.

>> Ted: IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE.

YOU COULD HAVE GONE TO MICHIGAN AND YOU'VE SEEN SO MANY THINGS AND COULD HAVE STARTED THIS ANYWHERE.

WHY HERE?

>> I NEEDED TO BE CLOSE TO L.A.

BUT NOT IN L.A. AS YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE.

>> Ted: SURE.

>> JEROME IS A SMALL TOWN CLOSE ENOUGH BY FLIGHT OR CAR AND A BEAUTIFUL AREA.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS LIVING IN THE AREA AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF MUSIC.

MICHIGAN, MY DAD IS STILL THERE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A LOT OF THINGS THERE, AS WELL.

THAT'S THE NEXT PROJECT, MICHIGAN?

>> Ted: I WAS GOING TO ASK IF YOU'RE BRANCHING OUT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> Ted: HAS YOUR APPRECIATION FOR WINE, HAS IT CHANGED OR DEVELOPED?

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND YOU'RE A WINE MAKER AND HOW MUCH ARE YOU TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT?

>> A LOT OF THIS IS NAVIGATING SO MANY VARIABLES, YOU CAN'T COUNT THEM AND A LOT OF IT IS MORE LISTENING AND PAYING ATTENTION THAN IT IS FORCING YOUR WILL.

IF YOU HAVE TO FORCE YOUR WILL IN FARMING, YOU'LL FAIL AND THERE'S A LOT OF LEARNING PATIENCE IN WINE GROWING AND WINE MAKING.

THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST LESSON FOR ME.

JUST GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET IT HAPPEN.

AND TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT AFTER IT HAPPENS AND CATCH UP.

>> Ted: WE HAVE THE TUTORIA AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, THE WINERY AND FOOD GROWING, THIS GREENHOUSE SOUNDS FANTASTIC.

IT'S OPENING IN OCTOBER AND WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE FROM THIS WHEN THEY VISIT?

>> A BOTTLE OF WINE.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: IT IS A BUSINESS, ISN'T IT?

>> I WANT THEM TO FEEL THE CONNECTION WITH ARIZONA AND FEEL THAT SENSE OF PLACE.

>> Ted: AND LAST QUESTION, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT APPRECIATION GROW OVER THE YEARS?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW AND THIS IS MY 20th HARVEST AND SO I'VE SEEN IT GROW EXPONENTIALLY AND IT'S QUITE INSPIRING.

>> Ted: CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS AGAIN, THIS WINERY IN COTTONWOOD.

WINE MAKER, MUSICIAN, BEEN AROUND THE WORLD A COUPLE OF TIMES.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: MUSICIANS AND ARTISTS PLANNING TO DESCEND ON THE GRAND CANYON AND THERE'S THE GUITAR DUO.

WE SPOKE WITH MICHAEL AND LAURA ABOUT THE FESTIVAL AND THEIR MUSIC.

LAURA, MICHAEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

NOT THE FIRST TIME AT THE GRAND CANYON MUSIC FESTIVAL, HUH?

>> NO, WE'VE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES OVER THE 40 YEARS OF THE CONTINUED EXISTENCE, WHICH THIS YEAR IS THE 40th ANNIVERSARY, RIGHT?

>> IT'S STARTED WITH A COUPLE OF MY CLASSMATES FROM THE COLLEGE OF MUSIC IN NEW YORK.

A CLASS CA CLASSICAL HORMONE HARMONICA AND THEY WERE PLAYING A PARK RANGER SAID, YOU SHOULD DO A CONCERT HERE AND 40 YEARS LATER, HERE THEY ARE.

>> Ted: THERE'S A BUILDING INVOLVED AND YOU'RE AT THE GRAND CANYON AND DOES IT CHANGE THE MUSIC?

>> WELL, THIS SURELY DOES BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT A PIECE THAT WAS COMPOSED ABOUT THE GRAND CANYON BY ANOTHER ONE OF OUR FRIENDS FROM NEW YORK, ARNOLD BLACK, WHO HAS PASS PASSED AWAY A FEW YEARS AGO.

I WOULD SAY THIS IS ALONG THE LINES -- >> GRAND CANYON SUITE.

>> Ted: WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING SOMETHING FAMILIAR, YOU CAN PLAY IT IN WICHITA, NEW YORK CITY AND GRAND CANYON AND DOES IT CHANGE?

>> YOU CAN ANSWER.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE VENUE ITSELF HAS THE BIGGEST IMPACT AND THE SHRINE OF THE AGES, WHICH IS THE NON-DENOMINATIONAL BUILDING AT THE SOUTH RIM, IT'S GLASS LOOKING OUT OVER THE FOREST AND IT'S WOOD BEAMS AND IT'S STONE.

JUST THE WHOLE AMBIANCE MAKES THE MUSIC FEEL A CERTAIN WAY.

>> Ted: THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

AS FAR AS THE REPERTOIRE, WHAT DO YOU LOOK FOR AND DO YOU KNOW QUICKLY WHETHER IT WILL WORK OR NOT?

>> WE DO RELY A LITTLE BIT ON ROBERT AND CLAIRE'S ADVICE ON PROGRAMMING.

TYPICALLY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR CERTAIN MUSIC, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL INVITE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'LL GET CERTAIN MUSIC, BUT GUITAR PLAYS, I WOULD SAY A LOT OF LATIN AMERICAN MUSIC AND SPANISH MUSIC.

THIS REGION HAS A A HISTORY OF BEING OWNED BY SPAIN.

SO IT HAS A HISPANIC CULTURE AND I THINK THAT'S DIFFICULT FROM, SAY, THE EAST COAST WHICH IS NOT.

>> Ted: WHEN YOU COMMISSION WORK AND YOU GET IT AND YOU PLAY IT, DO YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT AWHILE AND HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>> OH, YEAH.

>> WHEN WE DO OUR OWN CONCERT TOURS AND RECORDINGS, WE DO A WIDE VARIETY GOING BACK TO, REALLY, THE RENAISSANCE AND A LOT OF SPANISH AND LATIN.

BUT FOCUSING ON A LOT OF NEW MUSIC.

WE DO A NUMBER OF COMMISSIONS, OF NEW PIECES AND THE GREAT COMPOSER WHO WROTE A PIECE FOR US AND WE'LL PLAY THAT AT THE CANYON.

THE BIGGEST MUSIC CRITIC FOR DECIDING WAS BABYKINS, OUR CAT.

SHE WOULD SLEEP WHILE WE WERE PLAYING AND IF SHE DIDN'T QUITE LIKE THE MUSIC, SHE WOULD OPEN ONE EYE.

[ Laughter ] >> AND THEN HER EARS WOULD GO BACK AND HISS AND RUN OUT OF THE ROOM.

>> Ted: WOW, THAT'S FASCINATING.

YOU MENTIONED COMMISSIONED WORK.

>> WE HAVE COMMISSIONED A FAIR NUMBER OF PEES.

PIECES WE'VE.

AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH CHANGE MUSIC THAT ROBERT AND CLAIRE INSPIRED US TO START IN NEW JERSEY.

AND WE TOOK THEIR CUE FROM STARTING SOMETHING IN THE GRAND CANYON WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG.

FOR MARTY BLACK, THE COMPOSER WHO SAID IF YOU DON'T FIT INTO THE SYSTEM, MAKE YOUR OWN SYSTEM.

SO WE ESTABLISHED OUR OWN PRESENTING ORGANIZATION THAT HAS COMMISSIONED A LOT OF WORKS OVER THE YEARS THAT WE PLAY.

AND I THINK SOME OF THEM, THERE HAVE BEEN NOTABLE COMPOSERS AND FOR US, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT LEGACY.

>> Ted: I IMAGINE FOR DUAL GUITARS AND NOT THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF REPERTOIRE.

>> CORRECT.

THERE'S A STORIED HISTORY BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH REP AS YOU WOULD HEAR ON SOLO GUITAR, FOR SURE.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE GET YOU TO PLAY, HOW DID THIS PARTNERSHIP COME ABOUT AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN TOGETHER?

>> GO AHEAD.

[ Laughter ] >> I'M NOT SURE.

>> Ted: NOT MEANT TO BE A TRICK QUESTION.

>> I WON'T KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER.

HE'S GOING TO, LIKE, HAVE IT DOWN TO THE SCIENCE.

>> WE'VE BEEN MARRIED 42 YEARS, NINE DAYS AND I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY HOURS AND MINUTES.

BUT WE MET THROUGH GUITAR IN COLLEGE AND WE STARTED OUR DUO AND THEN WE GOT MARRIED.

AND HERE WE STILL ARE 42 YEARS LATER.

>> Ted: YOU SURE ARE AND CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK THERE WITH THE FESTIVAL AND YOU'RE PLAYING FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AT THE GRAND CANYON.

>> SOUTH RIM.

>> Ted: MIKE AND LAURA, GO AHEAD AND GIVE US SOMETHING HERE TO ENJOY AND PLAY US OUT OF THE SHOW, WILL YOU?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

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