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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," WE'LL SPEAK WITH A PANEL OF SENIOR VOTERS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE ISSUE OF HEALTH CARE WILL DRIVE THEM TO THE POLLS.

>>> AND WE'LL HEAR ABOUT A TOUR OF SOME OF THE MOST HAUNTED SPOTS IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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>> WE VOTE TO PROTECT THE SOCIAL SECURITY WE WORKED HARD FOR.

WE VOTE BECAUSE FAMILY CAREGIVERS DESERVE SUPPORT.

FOR ALL THE REASONS WHY, AARP HAS INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN, WHERE AND HOW TO VOTE.

TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

A NEW STATEWIDE POLL RELEASED BY HIGHGROUND PUBLIC AFFAIRS SHOWS DONALD TRUMP HAS TAKEN A SLIM SIX TENTHS-POINT LEAD OVER VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS.

THE SURVEY SHOWS TRUMP AT 46.8% AND HARRIS AT 46.2%.

THE SAME POLL SHOWS CONGRESSMAN RUBEN GALLEGO HOLDS A SIZABLE 9 1/2 POINT LEAD OVER FORMER TV NEWSCASTER KARI LAKE IN THE RACE FOR U.S. SENATE.

THE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED AMONG LIKELY ARIZONA VOTERS.

>>> THE NECK-AND-NECK PRESIDENTIAL RACE IS NO DOUBT THE REASON PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS SET TO SPEAK AT ASU'S MULLETT ARENA AT 2:00 P.M. ON THURSDAY.

HIS FIFTH VISIT TO ARIZONA THIS YEAR AND THE SECOND IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS.

J.D.

VANCE HAD A CAMPAIGN STOP IN PEORIA WHERE HE ADDRESSED STATEMENTS BY HARRIS AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TIM WALZ THE REPUBLICAN TICKET LACKS EMPATHY AND COMPASSION.

>> IT IS NOT COMPASSIONATE TO OPEN THE BORDER AND ALLOW THE MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS TO GET RICH BY SELLING POISON TO OUR CITIZENS.

IT IS NOT RICH IN COMPASSION TO SELL CHILDREN IN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS TO DIE OF FENTANYL OVERDOSES.

OUR MESSAGE TO KAMALA HARRIS IS YES, WE'RE COMPASSIONATE PEOPLE WHICH IS WHY WE WANT TO SECURE THE DAMN BORDER AND THE ONLY WAY IS TO ELECT DONALD TRUMP.

TED: IT WAS VANCE'S FOURTH CAMPAIGN STOP IN ARIZONA SINCE BECOMING GOP CANDIDATE FOR VICE PRESIDENT.

AS FOR DEMOCRATS, APPEARANCES OF FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON AND PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AT THE GILA RIVER INDIAN COMMUNITY FOR WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE CALLS AN OFFICIAL VISIT ON FRIDAY.

>>> TONIGHT WE'RE HOSTING THE LAST OF THREE VOTER EDUCATION CONVERSATIONS DESIGNED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO OLDER VOTERS IN ARIZONA.

THE FOCUS TONIGHT IS ON HEALTH CARE AND WE WELCOME OUR PANEL OF THREE REGISTERED VOTERS, JOINING US MARCIA BARRY, PAULA McKEY, AND ALSO JOINING US IS MELANIE WARREN.

THANK YOU ALL THREE FOR BEING HERE.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

MARCIA, START WITH YOU.

HEALTH CARE IN GENERAL, HOW IMPORTANT OF AN ISSUE IS THIS IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS FOR YOU?

>> I THINK THAT THE FUTURE OF HEALTH CARE, KNOWING THAT I HAVE ACCESS TO QUALITY HEALTH CARE AND GOOD INFORMATION TO MAKE SOUND DECISIONS AND THAT THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF AGING IN PLACE IN A PRODUCTIVE AND ENGAGED MANNER IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

TED: IS IT THE KIND OF THING THAT YOU'RE HEARING RIGHT NOW FROM THE CANDIDATES?

YEA OR NO?

>> PLUS OR MINUS.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS ENCOURAGING BECAUSE IT REALLY SPEAKS TO WHAT I AM HEARING IS THINGS LIKE SUPPORTING FAMILIES, SUPPORTING YOUNGER FAMILIES, WHICH ENABLES THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO THEN SUPPORT AGING PARENTS AND AGING FAMILY MEMBERS.

SO THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE PRICES IN THE MEDICARE ARENA.

THE ABILITY TO SPEAK TO HOME CARE, TO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THOSE SERVICES READILY AVAILABLE IN A QUALITY MANNER THAT'S AFFORDABLE.

IT IS COMING UP IN THE CONVERSATION THAT I'M HEARING.

TED: OKAY, PAULA, AS FAR AS HEALTH CARE IN GENERAL, WHERE DOES IT RANK FOR YOU AMONG ISSUES THAT GETS OUT TO POLLS?

>> IT'S SAY IT'S PROBABLY THE TOP ISSUE, ACTUALLY, AND I'M INTERESTED IN FUNDING MEDICARE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE BENEFITS THAT MARCIA WAS TALKING ABOUT.

TED: IF A CANDIDATE CAME TO YOU OR TO THE STATE, IN ANY RACE, AND HAD AN IDEA FOR RADICALLY CHANGING THE FORMULA FOR MEDICARE, WOULD THAT INTEREST YOU OR WOULD THAT PUT UP A CAUTION FLAG?

>> DEFINITELY A CAUTION FLAG BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A COMPLICATED PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU CUT TAXES IN ONE AREA, THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR MOST PEOPLE, BUT THEN THAT MIGHT PLAY OUT AS AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE FOR DEFUNDING MEDICARE.

TED: RIGHT.

>> SO ALL THESE THINGS NEED TO BE THOUGHT OUT THINKING ABOUT ANOTHER PROCESS.

TED: WHAT ABOUT IT, MELANIE?

HOW IMPORTANT AN ISSUE IS THIS FOR YOU?

>> EXTREMELY.

I WISH I HAD MORE INFORMATION WHEN I STARTED ON MEDICARE, I WAS GOING BY THE SEAT OF MY PANTS.

I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO.

I THINK INFORMATION IS KEY.

I ALSO THINK THAT SINCE I'VE ALREADY VOTED AND TOOK CARE OF THAT ALREADY, THAT'S WHAT GOT ME TO REALLY MAKE AN EFFORT OF THAT.

TED: SO MORE THAN ANY OTHER ISSUE, THAT'S WHAT GOT TO YOU FILL IN THE HOLES FOR THE BALLOTS?

>> YES.

TED: ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?

MARCIA, BACK TO YOU, THE COST OF MEDICAL CARE, JUST THE COST OF STRAIGHT MEDICAL CARE, YOU MENTIONED -- SOMEONE MENTIONED PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICE, IT'S GOT TO BE HIGH ON THE LIST.

>> IT IS BECAUSE THE PRICING STRUCTURES AND THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE ARE KIND A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF HOW GET TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR OUT-OF-POCKET.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM WITH REDUCING THE DOUGHNUT HOLE AND REDUCING PRICES ON CERTAIN VERY HIGH-DOLLAR PLANS.

I THINK THE FACT THAT THERE'S SO MANY PRESCRIPTION DRUG COVERAGE PLANS, ALL OF WHICH HAVE VERY DIFFERENT TIERS CAN BE CONFUSING FOR CONSUMERS.

TED: IF A CANDIDATE CAME ALONG AND COULD MAKE THAT LESS CONFUSING, GOOD BY YOU?

>> THAT WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO SORT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.

TED: PAULA, COMPARE THE PRICE OF MEDICAL CARE WITH OTHER PRICING ISSUES.

THE COST OF LIVING, INFLATION IN GENERAL?

>> WELL, IT'S GONE UP.

TED: WELL, IN TERMS OF IMPORTANCE TO YOU?

>> IT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY THE PRESCRIPTION PIECE OF IT, TOO.

THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF DRUGS, THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT HAS HELPED CONTROL COSTS, AND ALLOWED THE NEGOTIATION ALONG THE WAY, BUT I'D SAY IT'S THE PRESCRIPTION, THE COST.

TED: YEAH, YEAH, WHEN PEOPLE -- SOME OF THESE RACES, INFLATION IS A MAJOR FACTOR, REALLY A MAJOR FACTOR IN THE ELECTION.

>> OF COURSE.

TED: BUT INFLATION FOR GROCERIES, INFLATION FOR MEDICAL CARE, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU?

>> AS A SENIOR, I WOULD SAY MEDICAL CARE.

TED: MELANIE, WHAT ABOUT YOU?

>> SAME, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP TREMENDOUSLY.

I HONESTLY HAVE AN INSURANCE BROKER FOR MY SECOND INSURANCE BECAUSE I CANNOT FATHOM GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PLANS.

IT HAS HELPED ME, HE'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HE'S THERE ON MY BEHALF TO GUIDE ME THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

TED: WITH THAT IN MIND, INFLATION IS SERIOUS BUT THE INFLATION IN TERMS OF MEDICAL COSTS, THAT'S NUMBER ONE FOR YOU?

>> CORRECT.

TED: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOME CARE, ASSISTED LIVING, NURSING CARE.

AGAIN, IS THAT AN ISSUE WHERE A CANDIDATE MIGHT COME ALONG AND SAY X, Y OR Z AND THAT'S THE CANDIDATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO FOR BECAUSE THAT CANDIDATE SAID THAT?

>> THERE ARE FACTORS WITH GETTING INTO ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, WHICH I'VE GONE THROUGH WITH MY FAMILY RECENTLY.

THE COMPLEXITY OF IT, AND THE COST OF IT, ARE REALLY BARRIERS.

THEY'RE STRUCTURAL BARRIERS TO PEOPLE GETTING THE CARE THEY NEED.

TO BE ABLE TO AGE IN PLACE AT HOME, WITH HOME CARE SERVICES, EQUALLY COMPLEX, EQUALLY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A COVERED SERVICE.

SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY THERE'S A MEANS BY WHICH WE COULD HAVE THAT BE A COVERED SERVICE WOULD BE EXTREMELY ATTRACTIVE TO ME, WHETHER IT'S SUPPORTING FAMILIES, TO BE ABLE TO BE IN THAT CAREGIVER ROLE, OR TO BE ABLE TO GET THE SERVICES FROM OUTSIDE COMPANIES WOULD BE ENORMOUS VALUE.

TED: I HEAR ABOUT AGING IN PLACE AND HOME CARE AND ASSISTED CARE FACILITIES, AND ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

INSURANCE FOR THESE KINDS OF LONG-TERM CARE AND THIS KIND OF BUSINESS.

AGAIN, HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT PARTICULAR ASPECT OF HEALTH CARE TO YOU?

>> WELL, I LIVED IN A CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, AND, OF COURSE, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, AND I HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST IN IT, BUT THE STAFFING, I FOUND THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW FOR ANY KIND OF FACILITY IS THE STAFFING.

THEY CAN'T FIND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAINED IN ENOUGH OF THEM.

TED: IF A CANDIDATE COMES ALONG AND SAYS I'VE GOT A WAY TO FIX THAT, THAT GETS YOUR INTEREST PRETTY QUICK, I WOULD IMAGINE?

>> IT DOES, BUT PROPOSALS DON'T MEAN AS MUCH TO ME AS PRIOR RECORDS.

SO THE FACT THAT THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT WAS SIGNED, THAT'S SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT IS ACTUALLY REALLY WORKING IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE ISSUES.

TED: THAT'S INTERESTING.

NOT ONLY FOR YOU, IN TERMS OF HEALTH CARE ISSUES, THINGS THAT WERE DONE AS OPPOSED TO IDEAS THAT ARE PUT FORWARD, HOW DO YOU COMPARE?

>> COULD YOU CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION PLEASE?

TED: SAY I'VE GOT AN IDEA TO CHANGE SOMETHING.

SAY MY OPPONENT HAS ALREADY DONE THIS TO CHANGE SOMETHING.

WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, PAST RECORD OR PROMISE?

>> PAST RECORD.

TED: YOU THINK SO?

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.

TED: EVEN IF THE PROMISE MIGHT BENEFIT YOU MORE?

>> DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US.

TED: YEAH?

>> YEAH.

PROMISES, AS WE KNOW, POLITICS ARE ALWAYS PROMISES AND NOT ALWAYS KEPT.

TED: AND IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION LIKE HEALTH CARE, WHICH CAN BE SO CONFUSING IN SO MANY WAYS, DO YOU TEND TO LOOK BACKWARD MORE THAN FORWARD?

>> WELL, I THINK MORE ABOUT MY MORTALITY RIGHT NOW, AND A BURDEN THAT WOULD BE ON MY ONLY LIVING RELATIVE, AS MY SON.

I DON'T WANT HIM TO FATHOM THROUGH THIS AND TRYING TO PROTECT HIM AS WELL AS MYSELF, BECAUSE IT'S A BIG DEAL TO PUT ON A FAMILY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'VE HAD NO EXPERIENCE.

I AGREE WITH MARCIA, TOO.

I HAD THAT WITH MY MOTHER, AND I QUITE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT, AND I HAD TO RELY ON SOCIAL WORKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY WEREN'T DOING THEIR JOB, BUT AS YOU SAID, PAULA, EVERYONE IS STRETCHED TO THE MAX.

TED: TALK ABOUT FINANCIAL SCAMS AND FRAUDS AND SOME OF THE SURVEYS I'VE SEEN, THAT IS VERY HIGH ON THE LIST, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH CARE, BUT IN GENERAL, HIGH ON YOUR LIST?

>> VERY HIGH ON MY LIST.

THE DISINFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION THAT IS PROPAGATED THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, THROUGH OTHER FORMS OF COMMUNICATION, CAN BE VERY CONFUSING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A POPULATION WHO MAY BE LESS SOPHISTICATED IN DRILLING DOWN AND WADING THROUGH WHAT SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE.

YOU SEE THAT JUST REPEATED AGAIN AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT HEALTH CARE ISSUES, SUSPICION OF TECHNOLOGY, SUSPICION OF THINGS AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS VACCINATIONS.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

HOW YOU GET PEOPLE MEDIA LITERATE, AND HOW YOU GET PEOPLE TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN INTELLIGENTLY OR AT LEAST IN SOME MORE SOPHISTICATED MANNER, RECOGNIZE WHEN SOMETHING IS COMING THAT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

TED: PLEASE, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> YEAH, IF IT'S TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS.

TED: FINANCIAL SCAMS, FRAUD, THE IDEA OF CLAMPING DOWN ON THAT, FOCUSING ON THAT.

HOW BIG A DEAL TO YOU?

>> IT'S A BIG DEAL.

IT'S SCARY.

IT'S VERY SCARY BECAUSE IT'S SO EASY TO GET TRAPPED INTO SOMETHING POPS UP ON YOUR LAPTOP AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, THAT LOOKS INTERESTING, AND YOU GO DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE.

TED: BUT IN TERMS OF GOING TO THE POLLS, WHERE YOU LIVE NOW.

THE FOLKS YOU LIVE WITH, FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS AND SUCH.

DO THEY TALK ABOUT SCAMS AND FRAUD VERY MUCH OR IS THAT DOWN THE LIST A LITTLE BIT?

>> I'D SAY THE CONTINUING CARE AND THE FUNDING AND INFLATION AND COSTS ARE MORE TALKED ABOUT THAN SCAMS.

>> FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS, MELANIE?

WHAT ARE YOU HEARING?

>> THAT'S NOT ANYTHING WE TALK ABOUT.

TED: ISN'T THAT INTERESTING?

>> YEAH, YEAH, AND I KNOW IT'S PREVALENT.

ESPECIALLY WITH OLDER PEOPLE.

TED: WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME BUT WANT TO GET A QUICK ANSWER.

MELANIE, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

ARE YOU A SINGLE ISSUE VOTER WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH CARE?

>> YES.

TED: WOW.

ALL THAT TIME AND YOU SAID YES, I THOUGHT FOR SURE YOU WOULD SAY NO.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> IS THIS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU SAY I CAN DEAL WITH THE OTHER STUFF BUT THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT.

>> IF YOUR DEFINITION OF HEALTH CARE INCLUDES ALL AGES, NOT JUST THE SENIORS, I WOULD SAY YES.

TED: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A SINGLE ISSUE FOR ME RIGHT NOW.

I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, BUT IT COULDN'T BE SOMEBODY WHO CAME TO THE TABLE WITH ALL OF THE HEALTH CARE-RELATED THINGS AND THEN WAS NOT LIKE ADDRESSING OTHER KEY LIFESTYLE OR ECONOMIC ISSUES.

TED: SO THERE ARE OTHER THINGS, TOP THREE, MAYBE?

>> IT'S IN THE TOP THREE FOR SURE.

TED: WE GOT YOU THERE.

[ LAUGHTER ] GOOD CONVERSATION, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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TED: IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR, WHEN SHARING GHOST STORIES IS JUST THE THING TO DO, AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF GHOST STORIES AND MAYBE A FEW GHOSTS IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX WHERE A GROUP CALLED PHOENIX GHOST TOURS ALLOWS THE CURIOUS TO EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE CITY'S HAUNTS FIRSTHAND.

LUCAS MUKAI IS A TOUR GUIDE FOR PHOENIX GHOST TOURS AND IS HERE.

GIVE ME A BETTER DEFINITION OF THE PHOENIX GHOST TOUR.

WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

>> SO, BASICALLY IT IS A HISTORICAL TOUR THAT WE GUIDE THROUGHOUT THE STREETS OF PHOENIX.

THERE ARE SOMETIME SOME MISCONCEPTIONS THAT WE TRY TO INVOKE, BUT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF EVERYONE WE TRY NOT TO DO THAT, BUT BASICALLY TAKING PEOPLE ON A SORT OF ADVENTURE THROUGHOUT TIME ON THE STREETS OF PHOENIX.

TED: INTERESTING, THIS IS A WALK THROUGH PHOENIX?

>> YES, IT IS A WALK THROUGH PHOENIX.

TED: IT'S A SITDOWN TOWN IN GENERAL, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, RIGHT AROUND THIS AREA.

TED: YEAH, INCLUDES THE SAN CARLOS HOTEL, HOW IS THAT HAUNTED?

>> SO IT IS HAUNTED BY A COUPLE GHOSTS.

DEPENDING WHO YOU ASK, THERE ARE A COUPLE CHILDREN WHO USED TO STAY THERE BECAUSE ORIGINALLY BEFORE IT WAS THE SAN CARLOS HOTEL, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST SCHOOLS IN PHOENIX.

AND ONE OF THE RUMORS IS THERE WERE THREE SCHOOLBOYS WHO DROWNED THERE UNFORTUNATELY.

THEY OFTEN LURK AROUND THE BASEMENT IN PARTICULAR.

TED: INTERESTING.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

THIS IS HANNEY'S.

HANNEY'S, USED TO BE FAMOUS IN PHOENIX, AT LEAST, A MEN'S CLOTHING SHOP, NOW A RESTAURANT, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S HAUNTED?

>> YES.

TED: HOW SO?

>> WELL, LET'S FIND OUT.

TED: NO, NO, NO.

>> WAITING FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN.

>> AS YOU GO DOWN THE DEPTHS OF HANNEY'S, YOU WILL NOTICE A COUPLE OF CURIOUS CARICATURES.

CHIEF AMONGST THESE IS, IF YOU LOOK A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT, I KNOW IT'S ME RECORDING, BUT YOU WILL BE GREETED BY THESE LITTLE THINGS RIGHT HERE.

NOW THE RUMOR GOES THAT IN HANNEY'S, NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE DOLLS HAVE COME FROM, AND THEY'VE BEEN APPEARING MYSTERIOUSLY FOR YEARS.

TED: THEY JUST POP UP?

>> UH-HUH.

TED: THE POPULATION OF DOLLS WAS A LESSER POPULATION A WHILE BACK?

>> YES, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU NOTICE THE TUXEDO DOLL, A BOY, HE FIRST APPEARED WHEN I STARTED TWO YEARS AGO.

TED: AND HE JUST POPPED UP.

>> JUST POPPED UP.

>> THIS IS THE BASEMENT OF HANNY'S, IT IS A MEN'S SHOP, DO THEY LOOK GOOD?

>> THEY LOOK GOOD.

THERE IS A HEADLESS ASIAN DOLL ON THE OTHER SIDE.

TED: THAT'S HANNY'S AND THAT'S HAUNTED.

I IMAGINE OLDER PLACES WITH TWO, THREE STORIES, THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU GET THE HAUNTED, THE GOOD GHOST STORIES.

>> OH, YES.

TED: BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT PLACES TO GO.

>> THEY GOT LAYERS.

TED: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ROSSIN HOUSE, WE HAVE VIDEO BUT NOT GOING INSIDE THAT HOUSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO YOU GO IN.

HOW MANY OF THE PLACES, THAT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, HERITAGE SQUARE.

HOW MANY PLACES DON'T ALLOW YOU IN?

>> THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PLACES.

SOME IS JUST OUT OF PRACTICALITY, THEY'RE TOO SMALL.

ONE OF OUR FAVORITE PLACES TO START IS THE OLD TEETER HOUSE, WE DON'T WANT TO THRUST OUR TOUR GROUP INTO THAT BECAUSE THEY DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESS AS WELL.

OTHERS LIKE THE ROSSIN HOUSE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED.

TED: YES.

>> THIS IS LIKE OWNED BY THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION, AND IT'S A STICKY -- IT'S A STICKY SITUATION TRYING TO NAVIGATE ALL THAT.

TED: IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY I HEAR SCREAMS IN THE NIGHT IN THE HOUSE, WHICH IS THE REPORT FOR THE ROSSIN HOUSE?

>> THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS THAT EVEN CRYING CHILDREN CAN BE HEARD IN THE BASEMENT.

TED: WONDERFUL.

THERE YOU GO.

WE'LL LET THAT HANDLE THAT THEMSELVES.

ORPHEUM THEATER IS ON HERE.

I'M WONDERING HOW HAUNTED.

BECAUSE I REMEMBER SEEING A RAMONES SHOW IN THE 1980s WHERE THEY TORE THE PLACE UP, AND I DON'T THINK THEY ALLOWED ROCK.

ARE THEY HAUNTED BY THE RAMONES?

WHO'S THERE?

>> THE ORPHEUM IS PROBABLY THE MOST HAUNTED PLACE IN PHOENIX.

>> DO TELL.

>> THE ORPHEUM IS PROUD OF THIS HISTORY AS WELL, THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT IT, THERE'S MANY GHOSTS HERE.

HARRY NAYS IS SAID TO HAUNT THE BUILDING, HE'S THE THEATER'S FOUNDER.

A GHOST GOES BY MADDIE OR MAGGIE.

THERE'S THE THEATER CAT TOM.

GHOSTS AREN'T LIMITED TO THE -- TED: CAT OR FELINE CAT?

>> NO, A REGULAR CAT.

TED: NOT EVEN PANTHER SIZE.

NOW IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PHOENIX GHOST TOURS, WHERE DO THEY GO?

>> PHOENIXGHOST.COM.

TED: HOW LONG DOES THIS LAST?

>> WE DO THE TOUR YEARAROUND.

WE HAVE MANY TOURS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.

WE HAVE LIKE REGULAR HOUR TOURS AT 8:00 P.M., HOUR 1/2 AT 10:30 P.M. THAT'S ESPECIALLY FUN.

WE HAVE GHOSTS ON SQUARE.

IF YOU WANT LESS OF THE TOUR EXPERIENCE WANT AND TO HUNT THEM OUT FOR YOURSELF, RESPECTFULLY, OF COURSE.

TED: SOUNDS GOOD.

LUCAS MUKAI, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> ALL RIGHTY.

GLAD TO HELP.

TED: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.