>>> IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FOCUSING ON ONE BILL.

THE DETAILS ARE STILL YET TO BE HASHED OUT.

THERE ARE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS LIKE WHAT KINDS OF IDs.

>>> VOTER PHOTO ID APPEARS ON ITS WAY TO OHIO.

>>> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD."

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE IN OHIO.

THE HOUSE AND SENATE ARE HURRYING TO PASS NEW VOTING LAWS IN THEIR LAME DUCK SESSIONS.

NO MORE EARLY PERCH VOTING THE MONDAY BEFORE ELECTION DAY.

IT WOULD CLARIFY THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE BLAUT DROP BOX PER COUNTY.

AND THE BIG ONE, ALL VOTERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO SHOW A PHOTO ID TO CAST A BLAUT.

NOT JUST THE UTILITY BILL OR THE PAY STUB REQUIRED NOW.

FOR THOSE WITHOUT AN ID, THE STATE WOULD MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR FREE.

ANDREW TOBIAS, IT APPEARS THAT THE PHOTO ID PORTION OF THE CHANGES COULD BECOME LAW.

WOULD YOU GUESS?

>> YES, FOR DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THIS AND ALSO MULTIPLE ELECTIONS BILLS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.

BUT IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FOCUSING ON ONE BILL AND THE SENATE IS SORT OF LEADING THE CHARGE RIGHT NOW.

THE DETAILS ARE YET TO BE HASHED OUT.

THERE ARE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS LIKE WHAT KINDS OF IDs WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE.

RIGHT NOW THE VERSION OF THE BILL THEY'RE WORKING ON WILL ONLY ALLOW STATE ISSUED IDs.

SO IT WOULDN'T ALLOW PASSPORTS.

THERE'S FOR MILITARY.

>> WHAT IS DRIVING ALL THE ELECTION INTEGRITY MOVEMENT THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE HARPING ON THESE DAYS.

>> YEAH.

YOU DO HAVE OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE SAYING IT'S EASY TO VOTE IN OHIO.

THAT THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD SYSTEM.

EVEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE ABOUT THIS.

I THINK REPUBLICANS WHO ARE PUSHING THESE MEASURES ARE LOOKING AT OTHER STATES AND SAYING WHAT TWEAKS OR WHAT CHANGES OR WHAT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES COULD WE MAKE TO MAKE THIS SYSTEM BETTER IN THEIR MINDS.

>> JOE, I THINK NINE STATES MAY REQUIRE, I THINK EIGHT, OHIO MIGHT BE THE NINTH.

STRICT REQUIREMENT OF PHOTO ID.

WHY SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO SHOW AN ID TO PROVE WHO YOU ARE?

>> I THINK THE ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE WITH RESPECT TO UNIVERSAL TYPE OF ID THAT AMERICANS INTUITIVELY HAVE BEEN AGAINST SINCE TIME AND MEMORIAL.

IN MEXICO, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DO HAVE AN ELECTORATE ID THAT IS USED AS A REGULAR ID, EVEN BY PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

AS JESSIE SAID, THIS PARTICULAR MOVE, PARTICULARLY WITH DETAIL OF HAVING IT BE A -- IT HAS TO BE STATE OF OHIO ISSUED ID.

IT'S ANOTHER TYPE OF VOTER SUPPRESSION.

TRYING TO MAKE THINGS HARDER FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THEIR ACT TOGETHER.

THE POOR, HOMELESS, PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKELY TO VOTE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

>> GENE, VOTER IMPERSONATION IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT.

THE CASES OF THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON MAYBE ONE OR TWO HANDS.

THE POSSIBLE CASES.

IS THIS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM?

>> IT PULLS QUITE WELL.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS PERHAPS A TRAP, OR IN MY DAY PERHAPS DAY, IF THERE'S A TRAP BEING LAID FOR THE Ds, DEMOCRATS ON THIS.

VOTE NO ON THIS, THEY'VE NOW ESTABLISHED A GLASS CEILING ABOVE THEMSELVES.

PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.

FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M ONE-EIGHTH AMMISH.

AND AMMISH DON'T EVER WANT THEIR PHOTO TAKEN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO -- CRAFTING THIS IS GOING TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT.

>> ANDREW, ONE OF THE PARTS THAT IS MOST TROUBLESOME TO OPPONENTS, ONE PROVISION SAYS THE ID HAS TO HAVE YOUR CURRENT ADDRESS.

YOU GET YOUR LICENSE EVERY FOUR, NOW EVEN EIGHT YEARS.

YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR ADDRESS ON THE DMV WEBSITE.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ON THE REGISTRY.

>> I THINK IT POINTS BACK TO THE BILL SPONSOR WANTS THERE TO BE AN EGRESS.

THEY'RE INCLUDING STATE UNIVERSITY IDs.

BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT PASSPORTS, WHICH DON'T HAVE YOUR ADDRESS ON THEM.

THEY'RE NOT GOING -- AGAIN, THE PROPOSAL THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW IS PROBABLY BESIDES ARKANSAS, PERHAPS, THE MOST STRICT PHOTO ID IN THE COUNTRY.

>> MIKE, I WANTED TO FOLLOW ON GENE'S COMMENTATION ON A TRAP BECAUSE IT CAN BE A TRAP ON REPUBLICANS AS WELL.

IS THE ALLEGATION UNFOUNDED OR UNTRUE THAT THERE IS WIDESPREAD VOTER FRAUD.

AT THE SAME TIME, AN INDEPENDENT STUDY BY A MAJOR UNIVERSITY, AND I CAN'T RECALL WHICH ONE THAT IT WAS, REVEALED THAT IN FACT THESE MEASURES TEND TO SUPPRESS THE VOTE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AT ABOUT THE SAME RATE.

SO I THINK IT COULD BE A TRAP AS WELL.

>> GENE, WHY ARE WE MAKING IT HARDER TO VOTE?

ALL OF THESE THINGS.

WHETHER THEY'RE JUSTIFIED OR NOT, MAKING IT HARDER TO VOTE.

>> I HAVE TO AGREE WITH JOE ON THIS.

AND I POINTED OUT BEFORE IN WISCONSIN, WHEN THEY ALLOWED SAME-DAY -- I BRING THIS UP TO MY REPUBLICAN FRIENDS AND FORMER COLLEAGUES, AND THEY GO, THAT'S NICE.

SO HOW IS THAT WHEAT BEER?

THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE THEY APPROACH IT FROM A CERTAIN IDEOLOGICAL STANDPOINT.

>> JESSIE, ELIMINATING THE AUGUST ELECTION IS ONE THING.

THE SCHOOL BOARDS ALWAYS GO TO AUGUST.

THE COLUMBUS CITY COUNCIL HAD 25% INCREASE IN THE CITY INCOME TAX PASSED IN AUGUST OF AN ODD YEAR.

2009, I BELIEVE.

YOU CAN SEE SOME SUPPORT FOR THAT, PERHAPS.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE WHO USE THESE ACTIONS ARE A FAN OF THEM.

I THINK EVERYONE ELSE, THERE ARE ALWAYS LOW TURNOUT.

WE JUST RECENTLY WENT THROUGH ELECTING MEMBERS OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE ON AN ODD TIME TO DO ELECTIONS.

AND JUST PEOPLE ARE USED TO VOTING AT CERTAIN TIMES OF YEAR.

>> AUGUST LOW TURNOUT.

EASY TO PASS A SCHOOL LEVY.

EASY TO PASS AN INCOME TAX.

THEY PASSED AN INCOME TAX DURING A RECESSION BECAUSE IT WAS AN AUGUST ELECTION.

ANYWAY, LAWMAKERS HELD HEARINGS THIS WEEK ON THEIR PLAN TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR VOTERS TO CHANGE IN STATE CONSTITUTION.

THE PLAN WOULD REQUIRE AMENDMENTS TO WIN AT LEAST 60% OF THE VOTE IN AN ELECTION.

SUPPORTERS SAY THE MOVE IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION FROM OUT OF STATE SPECIAL INTEREST.

OPPONENTS SAY REPUBLICAN LEADERS ARE RUSHING TO CHANGE THE RULES BEFORE AN ABORTION RIGHTS AMENDMENT GOES BEFORE VOTERS.

THERE WAS A DELAY THIS WEEK BUT THE MEASURE REMAINS ON TRACK FOR PASSAGE THIS MONTH FOR A VOTE REQUIRING ONLY A SIMPLE MAJORITY EXPECTED IN MAY.

GENE KREBS, IF THIS GETS ON THE BALLOT, ANY CHANCE THIS BACKFIRES DOWN THE ROAD FOR REPUBLICANS?

>> MASSIVELY.

SEVERAL OF US ARE NOW BEGINNING TO THINK THAT THIS IS A -- ONCE AGAIN, THE WORD TODAY IS TRAP.

IT'S A TRAP THAT'S BEEN LAID FOR FRANK LAROSE, AND HE'S FALLING INTO IT.

HE NEEDS TO EXTRICATE HIMSELF FROM THIS QUICKLY.

WHEN I WAS IN THE OHIO HOUSE, 99 MEMBERS I WAS RANKED SEVENth MOST CONSERVATIVE.

ONE OF ITS WAYS WE WEIGH CONSERVATIVE RECORDS IS IF YOU VOTE NO ON EMERGENCY CLAUSES.

EMERGENCY CLAUSE IS THERE SO THAT THE BILL WOULD BECOME IMMEDIATELY ACTIVE THE MOMENT THE GOVERNOR SIGNED IT.

WE WOULD ALWAYS VOTE NO ON THAT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THE CITIZENS NEEDED TO HAVE A CHANCE IN THAT 90 DAYS TO GATHER PETITIONS TO GO AND STOP THIS BILL AND PUT IT UP ON THE BALLOT.

THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE ATTITUDE.

AND THAT RESONATES WITH THE CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE OF THE BLOCK IN OHIO.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, I THINK SOME FOLKS GAVE FRANK BAD ADVICE.

AND I THINK THOSE FOLKS ARE SECRETLY SUPPORTING WARREN DAVIDSON OR MATT DOLAND FOR THE U.S. SENATE.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SQUASH FRANK'S CHANCES.

IT WENT BAD IN ARKANSAS.

60% WENT NO.

AND I THINK IN SOUTH DAKOTA IT WAS LIKE 73%, 74% SAID NO.

>> ARE THERE SECOND THOUGHTS AT THE STATE HOUSE THAT MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE BEST IDEA AND THE TIMING ISN'T THE BEST TIMING?

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS IN THE OHIO -- HE'S BEHIND THIS AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS SIGNATURE OF THE GOVERNOR.

SO THE HOUSE HAS BEEN REALLY INTERESTING PLACE RECENTLY.

THEY'RE IN A LEADERSHIP TRANSITION.

THERE ARE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATIVE, LESS CONSERVATIVE, MODERATE WINGS.

SO JUST GETTING CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING THAT'S BIGGER HAS BEEN MORE CHALLENGING.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

IF IT GETS TO THE FLOOR IN THE HOUSE I THINK WE'LL SEE IT GO THROUGH.

>> EVEN IF IT GOES THROUGH, I MEAN AS FAR AS THE STATE OF OHIO, I DON'T THINK IT STANDS ANY CHANCE.

IT PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKELY TO PUT FORWARD THE LEGALIZATION IN QUOTATION MARKS OF THE ROE V. WADE STANDARDS SOME TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

ALREADY ESTABLISHING SIDES ON THAT.

I THINK IT MIGHT HELP OUR SIDE.

>> ANDREW, COULD THIS BECOME A REFERENDUM ON ABORTION?

YOU COULD SEE ABORTION RIGHTS SUPPORTERS SAYING THIS IS TO DENY YOUR FUTURE RIGHT TO CODIFY ROE.

I MEAN, IT'S A COMPLICATED MESSAGE TO GET OUT TO VOTERS.

YOU COULD SEE HOW THIS COULD BE SORT OF A SUBSTITUTE.

>> YES.

I HATE TO GET A CRYSTAL BALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE ADS ON THIS IN ARKANSAS, I BELIEVE IS WHERE IT FAILED.

IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CONFUSING VOTE NO.

THEY WANT MAJORITY RULE KIND OF STUFF.

THERE IS THIS PREDISPOSITION THAT VOTERS HAVE ON THESE THINGS.

VOTE NO BECAUSE CHANGE IS CONFUSING.

WHY CHANGE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I THINK ON TOP OF THAT KIND OF BUILT-IN BIAS TOWARDS NO, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKELY MOST FIRED UP ABOUT IT ARE GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO VIEW IT THROUGH THE LENS OF ABORTION.

IT WILL REALLY DEPEND ON KIND OF HOW MUCH THAT MOTIVATES THE FOR AND AGAINST PEOPLE.

IT GETS TO THAT NEXT LEVEL.

BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE WILL KIND OF KNOW WHAT IT IS.

AND I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF TRYING TO REACH THE REST OF THE ELECTORATE.

>> IT SHOULD BE HARD TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.

IT IS.

YOU HAVE TO GET ALL THESE SIGNATURES, GENE.

IF THIS WAS PACKAGED, OKAY, YOU NEED FEWER SIGNATURES BUT YOU NEED 55% AND THE INITIATED STATUTE PETITION WHERE YOU GO TO THE BALLOT TO CHANGE STATE LAW.

OKAY, THAT'S HARDER TO REVERSE.

WOULDN'T THAT BE MORE CONFUSING FOR VOTERS BUT MORE PALATABLE MODERNIZATION OF THE CONSTITUTION?

>> IF YOU TAKE FRANK AT HIS WORD, AND EVERYBODY ELSE AT THEIR WORD, THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT BIG MONEY COMING IN POLLUTING OHIO.

WELL THE SOLUTION TO POLLUTION IS DILUTION.

YOU GIVE EVERYBODY A $500 TAX CREDIT FOR DONATIONS TO CONSTITUTIONAL CAMPAIGNS.

CURRENTLY WE ALLOW A $50 TAX CREDIT TO POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS.

BUT IF YOU WERE TO ALLOW $500 TAX CREDIT, NOW YOU'VE GONE AHEAD AND YOU'VE DESTROYED THE ARGUMENT.

THEY CAN DO THAT BY STATUTE IN LAME DUCK.

>> THAT'S WHY IF YOU GIVE MIKE DeWINE $50 TO GIVE TO JENNIFER BRUINER $50.

YOU CAN DEDUCT FROM OHIO TAX RETURN.

YOU SAY BRING THAT UP TO $500 TO ENCOURAGE OHIO VOTERS TO GIVE EVEN MORE MONEY.

DILUTE OUT OF STATE INTEREST.

>> RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT COST OF THE POLITICAL ONE IS BETWEEN $4 MILLION AND $6 MILLION.

IF YOU TAKE IT UP TEN-FOLD, $40 MILLION TO $60 MILLION.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT A ROUNDING OF THE STATE BUDGET THE $75 MILLION.

>>> OHIO LAWMAKERS ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND GREEN ENERGY IN OHIO.

AT LEAST THE DEFINITION OF GREEN ENERGY.

A BILL LABELED NATURAL GAS GREEN ENERGY.

THE BILL WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THE STATE TO ALLOW FRACKING WELLS ON STATE LAND.

WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.

BUT JESSIE, HOW IS -- NOW IT'S NATURAL, I KNOW.

BUT HOW IS NATURAL GAS BEING CODIFIED AS SPECIAL.

>> THIS IS A LAME DUCK I WILL SAY.

REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CHECKS YOU NEED TO PURCHASE FROM SIX TO THREE.

NOW IT'S TALKING ABOUT GREEN ENERGY.

IT'S TALKING ABOUT FRACKING.

IT'S TALKING ABOUT WHEN CITIES CAN BAN PESTICIDES.

THIS HAS BALLOONED IN TO OMNIBUS FRACKING.

NATURAL GAS IS A GREEN SOURCE.

I THINK THEY'RE REALLY COMPARING IT TO COAL AND LOOKING AT THE CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS.

CONTRIBUTIONS TO GREEN HOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, MOST ENVIRONMENTALISTS WOULD SCOFF AT IT BEING CALLED GREEN.

>> JOE, THE EUROPEAN UNION LABELS NATURAL GAS AS GREEN ENERGY.

IT IS MUCH CLEANER THAN COAL.

>> 58%.

>> CLEANER ANYWAY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO POWER ALL OF OUR HOMES ON WIND MILLS AND SOLAR FARMS YET.

IS IT OKAY TO SORT OF PUT NATURAL GAS IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY?

>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT MAY BE AS THE EUROPEAN UNION DID AS AN INTERIM STOP GAP MEASURE.

THE UNION OF CONCERNED SCIENTISTS HAS ENDORSED THE USE OF NUCLEAR POWER, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND THEY MAY IN FACT ENDORSED THE USE OF NATURAL GAS AS A BRIDGE TO RENEWABLES.

NOW THE WHOLE THING REMINDS ME OF BACK WHEN GENE WAS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

I TESTIFIED IN FAVOR OF THE EQUINE LIMITED LIABILITY BILL.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT DID.

BUT IT PASSED ONLY AFTER LLAMAS WERE INCLUDED AS EQUINES.

SO I'M THINKING I GUESS IF YOU CALL NATURAL GAS GREEN, THEN IT BECOMES GREEN LIKE A LLAMA BECOMES AN EQUINE.

>> OR A HORSE IS A HORSE EXCEPT FOR LLAMAS.

>> A LLAMA IS NOT A HORSE.

>> ANDREW, IS THIS THAT INTERIM MEASURE, TO THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES BEING AN INTERIM POWER SOURCE GETTING TO SOLAR AND WIND?

>> THAT IS SOMETHING YOU HEAR FROM PEOPLE.

LIKE WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IN EUROPE, IT'S A PROBLEM OF RUSSIA.

THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY TO PROVIDE ALL THE ELECTRICITY AND HEATING THEY NEED THROUGH THE GREEN ENERGY SOURCES.

SO YES, THAT'S DEFINITELY HOW THEY'RE SELLING THIS.

THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD A BROADER POLICY CONSENSUS.

>> WHERE DO YOU COME DOWN ON THIS, GENE?

IS NATURAL GAS A GREEN ENERGY SOURCE?

>> UM, I'M GOING TO COME DOWN.

I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO MY INNER AMMISH TODAY.

THERE IS, FRANKLY, THERE IS NO PRETTY WAY TO MAKE ELECTRONS.

WE JUST HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

I WAS CHAIR OF THE HOUSE CONSUMERS COUNCIL GOVERNING BOARD FOR FIVE YEARS.

THERE'S 50 PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND, I'M 48th ON THE LIST.

>> YOU LOOK AT ANY ENERGY SOURCE, THERE'S ALWAYS A DOWNSIDE TO IT.

YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD AND THE UGLY.

>> GO AHEAD, JOE.

>> THE PROBLEM WITH THIS NOMENCLATURE CALLING IT GREEN.

FUNDING THAT ARE OTHERWISE EARMARKED AND DEDICATED TO TRUE GREEN PRODUCTS WILL BE DIVERTED TO SOMETHING THAT IN FACT ISN'T.

>> ALWAYS DOWN TO STATE MONEY.

-- >> I THINK THAT IS THE CONCERN FROM CERTAIN GROUPS IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO -- THE CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE IS GOING TO REQUIRE UNDER PUBLIC LANDS.

SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST A PIECE OF LAND OUT SOMEWHERE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T AFFILIATED WITH.

SOMETIMES IT'S STATE PARKS.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH POWER WILL THE STATE AGENCY TO SAY NO TO BAD DEALS, AND REPUBLICANS WHO ARE PUSHING THIS ARE SAYING OF COURSE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES ACROSS IT'S A HORRIBLE DEAL FOR THE STATE OF OHIO THAT THEY CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

>> SO MY SOURCE ON THIS IS FAIRLY GOOD.

BUT THEY'VE TOLD ME THAT IN THE PAST 15 YEARS THE LONG TERM PROFITS AND THE LONG TERM LOSSES WITH THE FRACKING INDUSTRY HAVE AVERAGED OUT.

IN OTHER WORDS, NOBODY LONG TERM HAS MADE ANY MONEY WITH FRACKING.

THAT'S WHY YOU'VE SEEN NOT A WHOLE LOT OF FRACKING GOING ON.

IT REQUIRES A VERY HIGH PRICE FOR A VERY LONG TIME PERIOD.

AND PEOPLE HAVE GOT THEIR HANDS BURNED BADLY IN FRACKING.

>> ENERGY ALWAYS GOES UP AND DOWN.

>> THIS WAS VERY HIGH COST THOUGH.

>> THE ARGUMENT, ANDREW, IS THIS RULE MAKING FOR -- YOU CAN FRACK ON IN STATE PARKS.

IT WAS PASSED I THINK IN 2011.

BUT NOTHING HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE PROCESS OF LETTING IT HAPPEN HAS NOT WORKED.

THIS IS JUST THE WAY TO GET AROUND THAT, RIGHT?

>> I WILL SAY GENERALLY AS A REPORTER I'VE BECOME VERY SKEPTICAL ABOUT MEASURES THAT ARE CLEARLY BACKED BY SEGMENTS OF INDUSTRIES BECAUSE THEY'RE BASICALLY TRYING TO GET A POLICY OUTCOME THEY WANT.

I ASSUME IF THIS GOES THROUGH, IT WILL BE MORE LIKELY THIS GETS GRANTED.

THE REGULATORY PROCESS IS FOR A REASON.

I'M DEFINITELY SKEPTICAL GENERALLY WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS POP UP ESPECIALLY DURING LAME DUCK.

>> PESTICIDES, CITIES AND TOWNS CANNOT BAN PESTICIDES.

CITIES AND TOWNS MAKE THEIR OWN RULES.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FRACKING, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER IT.

THEY DO HAVE CONTROL OVER WIND AND SOLAR.

BUT PESTICIDES THEY DON'T.

>> HOME RULE ONLY CONTROLS ONE ELEMENT OF GOVERNANCE AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ADMINISTRATION.

IT'S SIMPLE WAY OF EXPLAINING IT.

AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THE STATE MAY BE ABLE TO CONTROL.

PARTICULARLY THEY CONTROL THE SUPREME COURT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GET TO THE POWER OF HOME RULE.

IT WILL FACE A NEW TEST IN COLUMBUS.

CITY COUNCIL THIS WEEK APPROVED NEW GUN CONTROL ORDINANCES.

ANOTHER SAYS A GUN OWNER CAN FACE NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE OR NEGLIGENT ASSAULT CHARGES IF -- MEASURES SEEM TO CONFLICT WITH THE STATE LAW THAT SAYS ONLY THE STATE CAN REGULATE GUN LAWS.

JOE MAS, THE PENALTIES ARE LESS, A FELONY, ANYWAY.

AND IT APPEARS TO VIOLENT A STATE LAW THAT SAYS ONLY THEY CAN CONTROL GUNS OR PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON GUNS.

IS THIS A SYMBOLIC RULE?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S SYMBOLIC.

I THINK IT CAN ACTUALLY SEE ITS WAY THROUGH THE TENTH DISTRICT.

THAT'S FRANKLIN COUNTY COURT OF APPEALS.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED.

BY THE WAY, THE SECOND ITEM THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE 30-ROUND CAPACITY.

THAT HAS A MANDATORY SENTENCE OF 180 DAYS IN JAIL.

WHICH IS GOING TO COST YOU TO LOSE YOUR JOB.

I'M NOT SURE I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE KINDS OF MANDATORY SENTENCES.

BUT NEVERTHELESS I UNDERSTAND WHAT CITY ATTORNEY KLEIN IS TRYING TO DO HERE.

THIS GOES BACK TO 2008 AND 2010 WHEN THE CITY OF CLEVELAND ATTEMPTED TO REGULATE SOME GUN MEASURES.

AND THE SUPREME COURT, OHIO SUPREME COURT SAID THAT YOU COULD NOT DO IT BECAUSE OF HOME RULE.

BUT IN 2017, THERE WAS ANOTHER DECISION RELATED TO THE CAMERAS FOR THE, YOU KNOW.

>> RED LIGHT CAMERAS.

>> RED LIGHT CAMERAS THAT CITY ATTORNEY KLEIN BELIEVES, IN FACT, ALLOWS THE CITY TO THEN GO FORWARD AND DO THIS.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT THE COURT OF APPEALS HAS TO SAY.

I'M VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE CITY ON THIS ONE AT THAT STAGE FOR THE TENTH DISTRICT.

>> THESE ARE COMMON SENSE.

LIMIT SIZE OF THE MAGAZINES.

KEEP YOUR GUNS SAFE.

IF YOU HAVE POISON OUT AND SOMEONE GETS HURT, YOU CAN BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME FOR THAT FOR BEING NEGLIGENT.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T BE GIVING GUNS TO SOMEBODY WHO SHOULDN'T HAVE THEM.

THESE ARE ALL VERY COMMON SENSE THINGS.

>> YEAH.

BUT IF THIS GOES TO THE ISSUE OF REPUBLICANS, AND THEIR FIRST PASSED THE PRIMARIES.

WHICH IS WHY I'M SO INVOLVED IN RANK CHOICE.

FULL DISCLOSURE.

THIS IS A WAY TO MODERATE SOMETIMES AN ABSOLUTIST VIEW OF THIS.

PART THE CURTAIN.

THE REASON THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS BEEN STEAMROLLING OVER HOME RULE FOR CITIES FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS IS WHEN GREG WASHAKA LEFT BEING MAYOR OF COLUMBUS, AND JANET LEFT BEING THE MAYOR OF CANTON.

BECAUSE EVERY TIME IT CAME UP IN CAUCUS THIS IS GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CITIES, SOMETHING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING.

IT WAS ALWAYS BROUGHT UP WELL THIS IS GOING TO HURT WASHAKA.

WELL DON'T WANT TO HURT OUR FELLOW REPUBLICANS.

YOU NEED TO GET SOME Ds ELECTED TO CITY COUNCILS AND MAYORS AROUND OUR STATE.

>> -- >> I'M SORRY, SOME Rs ELECTED IN POSITIONS AROUND CITIES.

THAT WILL STOP IT.

>> THERE'S A PROPOSAL IN THE STATE HOUSE FOR SOME OF THESE SIMILAR RED FLAG TYPE OF THINGS.

MATT DOLAN HAS REPRESENTED IT.

LAME DUCK.

WE'RE RUSHING TO GET IT DONE.

IS IT HIGH ON THE LIST?

>> IT IS NOT HIGH ON THE LIST.

THE SENATE PRESIDENT HAS SAID TO REPORTERS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE HAVING SOME HEARINGS ON WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE DOING SOMETHING NEXT YEAR.

YOU JUST LOOK AT HOW THEY'VE TREATED GUN MEASURES.

THERE'S VERY RARELY IF ANYTHING THAT EASES ANYTHING EASES ACCESS TO GUNS.

>> LAWMAKERS, ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT THE HOME RULE.

THE AVERAGE VOTER CARE THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE BANS ON PLASTIC SHOPPING BAGS BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN'T.

YOU CAN'T CONTROL FRACKING BECAUSE THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN'T.

>> IF THEY CARE, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY DEMONSTRATED IT THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS THROUGH THE YEARS.

CLEVELAND HAS INITIATED SOME OF THESE BIG HOME RULE CASES.

I'VE LOST COUNT.

BUT OCCASIONALLY WILL DO AN ARTICLE.

WHEN IT COMES TO GUNS, THAT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE FOR THEM.

>> THERE'S ALSO A PRACTICAL PROBLEM WITH THE CITY -- AND THAT IS YOU HAVE ISOLATED ISLAND TOWNSHIPS.

AND IT'S NOT WELL DELINEATED WHERE THOSE TOWNSHIPS ARE.

SOMEBODY THAT LIVES IN THAT TOWNSHIP COULD BE DRIVING TO SOME PLACE ELSE WITH AN AR-15, LEGAL IN YOUR TOWNSHIP.

THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET OUT IS TO GO THROUGH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.

BOOM, THEY'RE NOW TAGGED.

>> THERE ARE ALMOST 60 MUNICIPALITIES.

REPUBLICANS DO MAKE -- >> LOOK AT THE COLUMBUS CITY MAP.

IT'S BIZARRE WITH ALL THE TOWNSHIPS CALLED IN THERE.

>>> ANYWAY, TIME FOR OFF THE RECORD FINAL PARTY SHOTS.

>> THESE ARE EITHER AN EXAMPLE OF RUMORS SPREADING AMOK OR MASS HYSTERIA.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH.

BUT MY SOURCES ARE VERY FIRM THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO MONTHS.

EXPECT IN JANUARY TO SEE UP TO FIVE SEPARATE SCANDALS ROCKING THE STATE HOUSE.

ANY ONE OF THEM WILL BE ALL TIME CONSUMING AND DEVASTATING.

ALL FIVE OF THEM HITTING, I HAVE NO IDEA.

>> JOE.

>> MIKE, AS WE APPROACH THIS YEAR'S GIVING SEASON, HOLIDAY SEASON, CONSIDER A GIFT TO YOUR LOCAL FOOD BANK OR FOOD PANTRY.

INFLATION HAS MADE FOOD INSECURITY JUST A REAL PROBLEM FOR FAMILIES AND ALSO FOR SENIORS.

SO YOUR TAX DEDUCTIBLE CONTRIBUTION WILL HELP.

>> ANDREW.

>> SNOW PLOW CONTEST.

AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE COLORFUL ONES BUT THE ONE IS THE BIG LAPLOWSKI.

>> JESSIE.

>> OUT OF THE PENDING MEASURES BEFORE ITS FINAL WEEK IS WHETHER THE SUGAR COOKIE WILL BECOME THE STATE'S OFFICIAL COOKIE.

STAY TUNED.

>> WHO IS THE RUNNER UP THERE?

TOLLHOUSE?

SPEAKING OF BUCKEYES, OF COURSE THEY'RE IN THE COLLEGE PLAYOFFS.

I THINK MOST OF US ARE ROOTING FOR A REMATCH WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

NOT JUST THE GAME BUT THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

LET'S HOPE THAT HAPPENS.

WE WANT CHAOS DURING BOWL SEASON.

AT LEAST ME PERSONALLY.

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