POLICY SETBACKS IN ASIA AND MIDDLE EAST.

ASIA AND MIDDLE EAST.

DOMESTIC LEGAL CHALLENGES HERE DOMESTIC LEGAL CHALLENGES HERE HOME.

HOME.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" >> ONE OF MY JOBS AS PRESIDENT >> ONE OF MY JOBS AS PRESIDENT TO WORRY ABOUT A BUNCH OF TO WORRY ABOUT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS AT THE SAME DIFFERENT PROBLEMS AT THE SAME NOT PICK AND CHOOSE NOT PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH PROBLEMS I HAVE THE LUXURY WHICH PROBLEMS I HAVE THE LUXURY TOORRY W ABOUT.

TOORRY W ABOUT.

WEN: IT IS FAIR TO SAY THE WEN: IT IS FAIR TO SAY THE PRESIDENT HAS A BUNCH OF PRESIDENT HAS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS TO WORRY DIFFERENT PROBLEMS TO WORRY ABOUT.

ABOUT.

TERRITORIAL DISPUTES, TRAGEDIES TERRITORIAL DISPUTES, TRAGEDIES ND TRADE ISSUES AS HE TRAVELS ND TRADE ISSUES AS HE TRAVELS THROUGH FOUR ASIAN COUNTRIES AND THROUGH FOUR ASIAN COUNTRIES AND HALF A WORLD AWAY COLLAPSED HALF A WORLD AWAY COLLAPSED PEACE NEGOTIATIONS IN THE MIDDLE PEACE NEGOTIATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

EAST.

>> WE HAVE A PARTNER WHO JUST >> WE HAVE A PARTNER WHO JUST JOINED ANOTHER PARTNER COMMITTED JOINED ANOTHER PARTNER COMMITTED TO OUR DESTRUCTION.

TO OUR DESTRUCTION.

NO GO.

NO GO.

>> WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP THE >> WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP THE POSSIBILITIES OF PEACE.

POSSIBILITIES OF PEACE.

THEMSELVES HAVE TO THEMSELVES HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS.

MAKE DECISIONS.

TACKLES THE PRESIDENT TACKLES THE PRESIDENT FOREIGN POLICY THE SUPREME COURT FOREIGN POLICY THE SUPREME COURT AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOCUS ON AND JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOCUS ON FRONT WITH THE HIGH FRONT WITH THE HIGH COURT WEIGHING IONN AFFIRMATIVE COURT WEIGHING IONN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND CHALLENGES OF ACTION AND CHALLENGES OF TECHNOLOGY.

TECHNOLOGY.

AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTING AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ACTING TO GRANT CLEMENCY TO POTENTIALLY TO GRANT CLEMENCY TO POTENTIALLY PRISONERS.OF PRISONERS.OF >> THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS >> THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO RECOMMENDING AS COMMITTED TO RECOMMENDING AS QUALIFIED APPLICANTS AS QUALIFIED APPLICANTS AS POSSIBLE FOR REDUCED SENTENCES.

POSSIBLE FOR REDUCED SENTENCES.

INDIRA VERING THE WEEK, INDIRA VERING THE WEEK, LAKSHMANAN OF BLOOMBERG NEWS.

LAKSHMANAN OF BLOOMBERG NEWS.

DOYLE MCMANUS OF THE "LOS DOYLE MCMANUS OF THE "LOS ANGELES TIMES".

ANGELES TIMES".

JOAN BISKUPIC OF REUTERS.

JOAN BISKUPIC OF REUTERS.

CARRIE JOHNSON OF NPR.

CARRIE JOHNSON OF NPR.

AND ARD WINNING REPORTING AND ARD WINNING REPORTING ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.

HAPPENS.

CAPITAL.M OUR NATION'S CAPITAL.M OUR NATION'S THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.

>> ONCE AGAIN, LIVEROM F WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

TOTHE THIRD TIME IS SUPPOSED TOTHE THIRD TIME IS SUPPOSED BE THE CHARM PRESIDENT OBAMA'S BE THE CHARM PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SIA TRIP WAS DESIGNED TO KEEP SIA TRIP WAS DESIGNED TO KEEP SOME LONG OVERDUE TWICE CANCELED SOME LONG OVERDUE TWICE CANCELED PROMISES.

PROMISES.

UT EVEN AS HIS PROMISE TO UT EVEN AS HIS PROMISE TO EMERGE WITH A GRAND TRADE DEAL EMERGE WITH A GRAND TRADE DEAL TO VELED SO DID THE EFFORT TO VELED SO DID THE EFFORT MOVE THE DIAL IN THE MIDDLE MOVE THE DIAL IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

EAST.

JOHN KERRY SAID THE WINDOW JOHN KERRY SAID THE WINDOW SHUT COMPLETELY FOR THE SHUT COMPLETELY FOR THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN PEACE TALKS ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN PEACE TALKS PRESIDENT SOUNDED MORE PRESIDENT SOUNDED MORE PESSIMISTIC.

PESSIMISTIC.

POSTURE.CAN POSTURE.CAN FOLKS CAN CLING TO MAXIMALIST FOLKS CAN CLING TO MAXIMALIST POSITIONS.

POSITIONS.

REALISTICALLY THERE IS ONE REALISTICALLY THERE IS ONE DOOR AND THAT IS THE TWO PARTIES DOOR AND THAT IS THE TWO PARTIES SOMENG TOGETHER AND MAKING SOMENG TOGETHER AND MAKING VERY DIFFICULT POLITICAL VERY DIFFICULT POLITICAL COMPROMISES IN ORDER TO SECURE COMPROMISES IN ORDER TO SECURE OF ISRAELIS AND OF ISRAELIS AND PALESTINIANS FOR FUTURE PALESTINIANS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

GENERATIONS.

THEM WALK YET SEEN THEM WALK YET SEEN THROUGH THE DOOR.

THROUGH THE DOOR.

GWEN: THE PRESIDENT SAID HE GWEN: THE PRESIDENT SAID HE DOESN'T SEE ANYONE WALKING DOESN'T SEE ANYONE WALKING DOOR ANY TIME SOON.

DOOR ANY TIME SOON.

WHERE DO WE STAND, INDIRA.

WHERE DO WE STAND, INDIRA.

WHO WAS WATCHING IT WHO WAS WATCHING IT ONGER THAN I MIDDLE EAST PEACE ONGER THAN I MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS IS WHERE GOOD INTENTIONS PROCESS IS WHERE GOOD INTENTIONS GO TO DIE.

GO TO DIE.

IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.

IT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.

OF BLAME ON A LOT OF BLAME ON A LOT ALL SIDES.

ALL SIDES.

WE HEARD SECOND OF STATE JOHN WE HEARD SECOND OF STATE JOHN A COUPLE OF WEEKS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN ALREADY THE PEACE AGO WHEN ALREADY THE PEACE PROCESS WAS ON LIFE SUPPORT AND PROCESS WAS ON LIFE SUPPORT AND A TIME WHENURIES AT A TIME WHENURIES AT -- JUST WHEN THE ISRAELIS -- JUST WHEN THE ISRAELIS REFUSE PALESTINIAN REFUSE PALESTINIAN ISONERS AND THE PHRPBS ISONERS AND THE PHRPBS PALESTINIANS SAID WE WILL JOIN PALESTINIANS SAID WE WILL JOIN 2 DIFFERENT INTERNATIONAL 2 DIFFERENT INTERNATIONAL TREATIES AND ORGANIZATION TREATIES AND ORGANIZATION INDEPENDENTLY AS THE STATE OF INDEPENDENTLY AS THE STATE OF PALESTINE.

PALESTINE.

BOTH WERE AGAINST THE PLANS THAA BOTH WERE AGAINST THE PLANS THAA SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING.

SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING.

HE PALESTINIANS WOULD SAY THE HE PALESTINIANS WOULD SAY THE ISRAELIS DID IT FIRST, WE ISRAELIS DID IT FIRST, WE REACTED.

REACTED.

HE ISRAELIS SAID THE PHREUFRPS HE ISRAELIS SAID THE PHREUFRPS WERE NOT GIVING ENOUGH.

WERE NOT GIVING ENOUGH.

GWEN: BUT THE ISRAELIS WALKED GWEN: BUT THE ISRAELIS WALKED UNITY DEAL OF THE UNITY DEAL OF THE THEIR SWORN ENEMIES THAT ENTERED THEIR SWORN ENEMIES THAT ENTERED INTO.

INTO.

IS THAT THE REAL REASON?

IS THAT THE REAL REASON?

THERE ARE THROWS WHO SAY THERE ARE THROWS WHO SAY NETANYAHU THE PRIME MINISTER OF NETANYAHU THE PRIME MINISTER OF AS A CONVENIENT AS A CONVENIENT EXCUSE TO PULL THE PLUG ON A EXCUSE TO PULL THE PLUG ON A PEACE PROCESS THAT WAS ON LIFE PEACE PROCESS THAT WAS ON LIFE SUPPORT.

SUPPORT.

IT IS A IS THAT IT IS A IS THAT DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE YOU DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE YOU THE FATAH ESSENTIALLY THE FATAH ESSENTIALLY P.L.O.

WITH WHICH THE ISRAELI P.L.O.

WITH WHICH THE ISRAELI STATE WAS NEGOTIATING MAKING A STATE WAS NEGOTIATING MAKING A TKAL WI DEAL WITH LINEMEN.

TKAL WI DEAL WITH LINEMEN.

DIFFICULT TO STEPHANIE HOW DIFFICULT TO STEPHANIE HOW ISRAEL CAN BE IN PEACE TALKS ISRAEL CAN BE IN PEACE TALKS -- HAMAS P LINEMEN -- HAMAS P LINEMEN ISRAEL.SN'T RG ISRAEL.SN'T RG BUT NETANYAHU'S GOVERNMENT SAID BUT NETANYAHU'S GOVERNMENT SAID MANY TIMES HOW CAN WE NEGOTIATE MANY TIMES HOW CAN WE NEGOTIATE WHO ARE DIVIDED.

WHO ARE DIVIDED.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ONLY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ONLY NEGOTIATE WITH ONE PART OF THE NEGOTIATE WITH ONE PART OF THE BUT WHEN THEY TRY TO BUT WHEN THEY TRY TO UNITE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNITE IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO EGOTIATE WITH THEM IF THEY EGOTIATE WITH THEM IF THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE US.

DON'T RECOGNIZE US.

JOHN KERRY S ABOUT JOHN KERRY S ABOUT AND ELEMENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE AND ELEMENTS THAT MIGHT HAVE WORKED OUT.

WORKED OUT.

RE THERE ANY PARTS, ANY PIECES RE THERE ANY PARTS, ANY PIECES OF A POTENTIAL AGREEMENT THAT OF A POTENTIAL AGREEMENT THAT THAT WE MIGHT LE THAT WE MIGHT LE BE CLOSER TO OR JUST GIVE US A BE CLOSER TO OR JUST GIVE US A ITTLE BIT OF A REPORT BEFORE ITTLE BIT OF A REPORT BEFORE THEY BROKE DOWN.

THEY BROKE DOWN.

>> JOHN KERRY HAS ALL ALONG SAID >> JOHN KERRY HAS ALL ALONG SAID A T EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT A T EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT FINAL DEAL LOOKS LIKE, THAT FINAL DEAL LOOKS LIKE, THAT BASICALLY THERE ARE FOUR MAIN BASICALLY THERE ARE FOUR MAIN TABLE AND MAYBE TABLE AND MAYBE THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ARE BORDERS THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ARE BORDERS REFUSE STATUS OF REFUSE STATUS OF GENTLEMEN RETUR-- REFUGEE RETUR.

GENTLEMEN RETUR-- REFUGEE RETUR.

IS THAT YOU HAVE IN IS THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS CASE TWO LEADERS WHO THIS CASE TWO LEADERS WHO ALTHOUGH WE WISH THEY WOULD HAVE ALTHOUGH WE WISH THEY WOULD HAVE SEEMED TO NOT HAVE THE POLITICAL SEEMED TO NOT HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL OR CAPITAL TO MAKE WILL OR CAPITAL TO MAKE IFFICULT DECISIONS THAT WERE IFFICULT DECISIONS THAT WERE GOING TO MAKE THEM UNPOPULAR AT GOING TO MAKE THEM UNPOPULAR AT HOME.

HOME.

QUO ATELY THEY ARE STATUS QUO ATELY THEY ARE STATUS LEADERS INSTEAD OF PULLING A LEADERS INSTEAD OF PULLING A NIXON GOES TO CHINA WHICH PEOPLE NIXON GOES TO CHINA WHICH PEOPLE NET WHY.NG FOR FROM NET WHY.NG FOR FROM >> DID SECRETARY KERRY INVEST >> DID SECRETARY KERRY INVEST TOO MUCH IN THIS PROCESS?

TOO MUCH IN THIS PROCESS?

THAT IS A QUESTION A LOT OF THAT IS A QUESTION A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING.

LIKE HE WAS ONLY DOING LIKE HE WAS ONLY DOING MIDDLE EAST PEACE T. IS TRUE HE MIDDLE EAST PEACE T. IS TRUE HE MADE A DOZEN TRIPS BACK AND MADE A DOZEN TRIPS BACK AND HE WAS STILL WORKING HE WAS STILL WORKING ON SYRIA AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON SYRIA AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS GENEVAN AND SHUTTLING TO GENEVAN AND SHUTTLING TO FOR THAT DEAL TO BE MADE.

FOR THAT DEAL TO BE MADE.

HE WAS WORKING ON OTHER THINGS, HE WAS WORKING ON OTHER THINGS, TOO.

TOO.

HE SAEID RATHER PASSIONATELY HE SAEID RATHER PASSIONATELY N CAPITOL HILL RECENTLY, LOOK, N CAPITOL HILL RECENTLY, LOOK, YOU CAN BLAME ME IF YOU THINK I YOU CAN BLAME ME IF YOU THINK I PUT TOO MUCH EFFORT INTO THIS PUT TOO MUCH EFFORT INTO THIS IS AN EFFORT WORTH IS AN EFFORT WORTH MAKING.

MAKING.

IS THERE A CONSTITUENCY OUTSIDE IS THERE A CONSTITUENCY OUTSIDE JOHN KERRY AND STATE JOHN KERRY AND STATE DEPARTMENT OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR PEACE AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT FOR PEACE AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT A VERY EMACIATED ISRAELI LEFT A VERY EMACIATED ISRAELI LEFT THERE MAY NS AND THERE MAY NS AND TPHNOT TPHNOT BENOUGH WHO WANT TO MAKE PEACE BENOUGH WHO WANT TO MAKE PEACE HAPPEN.

HAPPEN.

A DIFFERENT ASK A DIFFERENT ASK VERSION OF THE SAME QUESTION.

VERSION OF THE SAME QUESTION.

ASIDE FROM JOHN KERRY'S TIME AND ASIDE FROM JOHN KERRY'S TIME AND EXTRA GRAY HAIR, WAS EXTRA GRAY HAIR, WAS ANYTHING LOST HERE?

ANYTHING LOST HERE?

ARE WE FARTHER BEHIND?

ARE WE FARTHER BEHIND?

GET THE UNITED STATES GET THE UNITED STATES CREDIT IN THE REGION FORGIVING CREDIT IN THE REGION FORGIVING IT A TRY?

IT A TRY?

SAYING YOU HAVE TO SAYING YOU HAVE TO TRY.

TRY.

IS IT WORTH PUTTING IN MORE IS IT WORTH PUTTING IN MORE TIME?

TIME?

NOBODY NK AT THIS POINT NOBODY NK AT THIS POINT IS PUTTING IN MORE TIME.

IS PUTTING IN MORE TIME.

THEY ARE WAITING TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE WAITING TO SEE WHERE THE CHIPS WILL FALL.

THE CHIPS WILL FALL.

UNITY DEAL, THERE HAVE BEEN UNITY DEAL, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE PREVIOUS ATTEMPTS TO HAVE THREE PREVIOUS ATTEMPTS TO HAVE DEEMS -- DEALS AND THEY DEEMS -- DEALS AND THEY FELL THROUGH.

FELL THROUGH.

THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE A UNITY GOVERNMENT AND PEOPLE A UNITY GOVERNMENT AND PEOPLE RE HOPING THAT AND PEACE TALKS RE HOPING THAT AND PEACE TALKS WILL RESTART.

WILL RESTART.

EVEN IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, EVEN IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, AS HAS BEEN INDICATED BY KERRY AS HAS BEEN INDICATED BY KERRY CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUBUCAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK.

BUBUCAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK.

PRESIDENT SAID WE NEED PRESIDENT SAID WE NEED TO PUT A PAUSE ON THIS FOR A TO PUT A PAUSE ON THIS FOR A SOMETHING FOCUS ON SOMETHING FOCUS ON ELSE, JOHN.

ELSE, JOHN.

THINGS WERE NO SIMPLER IN ASIA THINGS WERE NO SIMPLER IN ASIA PRESIDENT'S TRAVEL PRESIDENT'S TRAVEL PLANS INCLUDED JAPAN, SOUTH PLANS INCLUDED JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA, MALAYSIA AND PHILIPPINES.

KOREA, MALAYSIA AND PHILIPPINES.

TAKE-HOME TROPHY WAS TO BE A TAKE-HOME TROPHY WAS TO BE A BIG TRADE DEAL THAT DIDN'T BIG TRADE DEAL THAT DIDN'T MATERIALIZE.

MATERIALIZE.

THERE WAS TALK OF THERE WAS TALK OF SANCTIONS, MISSILE TEST AND SANCTIONS, MISSILE TEST AND TRANSPORTATION DISASTERS IN TWO TRANSPORTATION DISASTERS IN TWO COUNTRIES.

COUNTRIES.

MUCH BALLYHOO ED ASIA MUCH BALLYHOO ED ASIA PIVOT DOOMED TO SUFFER THERE?

PIVOT DOOMED TO SUFFER THERE?

>> YES BECAUSE IT IS A >> YES BECAUSE IT IS A WORLD AND THERE WILL WORLD AND THERE WILL ALWAYS BE DISTRACTIONS.

ALWAYS BE DISTRACTIONS.

PIVOTAMA ADMINISTRATION'S PIVOTAMA ADMINISTRATION'S TO ASIA WHICH WAS PART OF THEIR TO ASIA WHICH WAS PART OF THEIR IRAQ AND GET OUT OF IRAQ AND GET OUT OF AVERAGES AND ALL THOSE AVERAGES AND ALL THOSE ALWAYS MENTS AND HAS ALWAYS MENTS AND HAS BEEN BEDEVILED BY DISTRACTIONS.

BEEN BEDEVILED BY DISTRACTIONS.

AT THE INK YOU CAN LOOK AT THE INK YOU CAN LOOK PRESIDENT'S TRIP AND SEE A STEP PRESIDENT'S TRIP AND SEE A STEP FORWARD.

FORWARD.

NUMBER HE FINALLY -- NUMBER HE FINALLY -- ONE, HE FINALLY GOT THERE.

ONE, HE FINALLY GOT THERE.

>> THERE WERE OTHER PROBLEMS.

>> THERE WERE OTHER PROBLEMS.

OF BIG QUESTION IN THE MINDS OF BIG QUESTION IN THE MINDS EVERYBODY IN ASIA IS NOT JUST IS EVERYBODY IN ASIA IS NOT JUST IS UNITEDOT REAL BUT IS THE UNITEDOT REAL BUT IS THE STATES STRONG AND DYNAMIC AND STATES STRONG AND DYNAMIC AND BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE IT COUNT ANY BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE IT COUNT ANY MORE.

MORE.

WHY UKRAINE, ENSE WHY UKRAINE, ENSE EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE OTHER SIDE EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD, HAS A LOT TO DO OF THE WORLD, HAS A LOT TO DO TO ASIA.PIVOT TO ASIA.PIVOT THOSE COUNTRIES IN ASIA ARE THOSE COUNTRIES IN ASIA ARE LOOKING AT UKRAINE AND SAYING IS LOOKING AT UKRAINE AND SAYING IS UNITED STATES AND THE WEST UNITED STATES AND THE WEST GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP THE GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP THE UKRAINIANS.

UKRAINIANS.

LOOKING AT NIGHT TOE.

LOOKING AT NIGHT TOE.

DOES IT MATTER TO BE A MEMBER OF DOES IT MATTER TO BE A MEMBER OF NATO.

NATO.

OF THIS WAS SHORING UP OF THIS WAS SHORING UP TRADITIONAL ALLIES AND TRADITIONAL ALLIES AND REAFFIRMING THOSE TIES.

REAFFIRMING THOSE TIES.

IMPORTANT.

IMPORTANT.

THEN THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THEN THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.

STUFF.

THERE IS NORTH KOREA, JAPAN, THERE IS NORTH KOREA, JAPAN, TRADE.

TRADE.

GWEN: THERE IS CHINA.

GWEN: THERE IS CHINA.

THE BIG ELEPHANT.

THE BIG ELEPHANT.

> STILL I'M GOING TO SAY THE > STILL I'M GOING TO SAY THE BOTTOM LINE TO QUOTE A GREAT BOTTOM LINE TO QUOTE A GREAT DIPLOMATIC STRATEGIST WOODY DIPLOMATIC STRATEGIST WOODY 60% -- 80% OF LIFE IS 60% -- 80% OF LIFE IS FINALLY P AND BY FINALLY P AND BY SHOWING UP PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE SHOWING UP PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE THE PIVOT KIND OF REAL.

THE PIVOT KIND OF REAL.

GWEN: I THINK THAT IS OUR FIRST GWEN: I THINK THAT IS OUR FIRST ALLEN REFERENCE.

ALLEN REFERENCE.

>> ON A LIGHTER NOTE, ALSO, THE >> ON A LIGHTER NOTE, ALSO, THE WORD PIVOT.

WORD PIVOT.

ADMINISTRATION ISN'T CRAZY ADMINISTRATION ISN'T CRAZY ABOUT THAT WORD.

ABOUT THAT WORD.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

TRYING TO DO?

TRYING TO DO?

WHAT WOULD BE THE BETTER WORD WHAT WOULD BE THE BETTER WORD THAT YOU THINK?

THAT YOU THINK?

DON'T THINK RECESS.

DON'T THINK RECESS.

THAT IS NOT IT.

THAT IS NOT IT.

EMBARRASSING FACT IS EMBARRASSING FACT IS THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING MANY YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING MANY YEARS WE NEVER ACTUALLY SAID PIVOT.

WE NEVER ACTUALLY SAID PIVOT.

IF YOU GO BACK, SECRETARY OF IF YOU GO BACK, SECRETARY OF TATE HILLARY CLINTON WROTE AN TATE HILLARY CLINTON WROTE AN ENTIRE ARTICLE ABOUT THE NEED ENTIRE ARTICLE ABOUT THE NEED FOR A PIVOT.

FOR A PIVOT.

SO SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO SO SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO SHE RUNS FOR F SHE RUNS FOR F PRESIDENT.

PRESIDENT.

IT PROBLEM WITH A PIVOT IS IT PROBLEM WITH A PIVOT IS MEANS YOU ARE TURNING AWAY FROM MEANS YOU ARE TURNING AWAY FROM SOMETHING TO SOMOMHING ELSE SO SOMETHING TO SOMOMHING ELSE SO YOU JUST TURNED AWAY YOU JUST TURNED AWAY FROM ARE SAYING WHAT ARE WE, FROM ARE SAYING WHAT ARE WE, CHOPPED LIVER?

CHOPPED LIVER?

WHO WAS NOT ELSE WHO WAS NOT ELSE IN ASIA THOUGHT THEY WERE THE IN ASIA THOUGHT THEY WERE THE ONES BEING TURNED AWAY FROM.

ONES BEING TURNED AWAY FROM.

TURNED TO PLE BEING TURNED TO PLE BEING GET NERVOUS THAT YOU ARE LEANING GET NERVOUS THAT YOU ARE LEANING IN ON THEM.

IN ON THEM.

LIKES TO INISTRATION LIKES TO INISTRATION USE THE WORD REBALANCE.

USE THE WORD REBALANCE.

EVERYBODY IS EQUAL, WE ARE EVERYBODY IS EQUAL, WE ARE ALL.NCING YOU ALL.NCING YOU GWEN: THAT IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE.

GWEN: THAT IS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE.

REBALANCE ISN'T GREAT REBALANCE ISN'T GREAT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE UNBALANCED.

UNBALANCED.

SAID WE SHOULD SAID WE SHOULD HAVE SAID REVITALIZE.

HAVE SAID REVITALIZE.

SEXY.S NOT VERY SEXY.S NOT VERY I WILL SAY WHAT WE NEED TO SHOW I WILL SAY WHAT WE NEED TO SHOW IS THE UNITED STATES IS CAPABLE IS THE UNITED STATES IS CAPABLE OR, AS WE USED OR, AS WE USED TO SAY, WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM TO SAY, WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM TIME.E SAME TIME.E SAME GWEN: AS THE PRESIDENT SAID GWEN: AS THE PRESIDENT SAID STUFF.OF STUFF.OF >> YOU MENTIONED HOW UKRAINE IS >> YOU MENTIONED HOW UKRAINE IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK YOU ARE IMPORTANT AND I THINK YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THAT ASIAN ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THAT ASIAN WHAT WE AREWATCHING WHAT WE AREWATCHING DOING.

DOING.

I'M WONDERING WHETHER ALL OF I'M WONDERING WHETHER ALL OF THOSE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE THOSE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE THE TES WITH CHINA OVER THE TES WITH CHINA OVER SOUTH CHINA SEA AND EAST CHINA SOUTH CHINA SEA AND EAST CHINA EA LOOKING AT UKRAINE AND EA LOOKING AT UKRAINE AND WONDERING WHAT THE U.S. IS GOING WONDERING WHAT THE U.S. IS GOING O DO AND QUESTION OF TREATY O DO AND QUESTION OF TREATY ALLIES.

ALLIES.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

IT IS ALMOST UNCANNY THAT THERE IT IS ALMOST UNCANNY THAT THERE ANALOGY BECAUSE THE ANALOGY BECAUSE THE WHOLE FEAR OF CHINA AMONG WHOLE FEAR OF CHINA AMONG KEEPS DRAWINGHINA KEEPS DRAWINGHINA LINES ON THE MAP SAYING THIS LINES ON THE MAP SAYING THIS IS OF THE SOUTH CHINA SEA IS OF THE SOUTH CHINA SEA OURS, THOSE ROCKS, JAPAN HAS OURS, THOSE ROCKS, JAPAN HAS THEM 50 YEARSRING THEM 50 YEARSRING BUT THEY ARE OURS AND THERE IS BUT THEY ARE OURS AND THERE IS AN ANALOGY YOU CAN'T GET AWAY AN ANALOGY YOU CAN'T GET AWAY IT.M IT.M EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN SAYING THIS IS NOT HAS BEEN SAYING THIS IS NOT IS ABOUT OUR T IS ABOUT OUR T POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THESE OTHER PEOPLE.

THESE OTHER PEOPLE.

SAYS IT IS NOT SAYS IT IS NOT ABOUT CHINA, IT IS ABOUT CHINA.

ABOUT CHINA, IT IS ABOUT CHINA.

THE BIG POINT THE PRESIDENT MADE THE BIG POINT THE PRESIDENT MADE IN JAPAN -- THIS IS REALLY VERY IN JAPAN -- THIS IS REALLY VERY -- THE UNITEDEATY -- THE UNITEDEATY STATES HAS A SECURITY TREATY STATES HAS A SECURITY TREATY WITH THE JAPAN.

WITH THE JAPAN.

THESE ISLANDS AND THESE ISLANDS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID THE TREATY PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID THE TREATY COVERS IT EVEN THOUGH HE SAID IT COVERS IT EVEN THOUGH HE SAID IT IS JUST A ROCK AND WE DON'T WANT IS JUST A ROCK AND WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GO TO WAR.

ANYBODY TO GO TO WAR.

A HE WAS TRYING TO LEAN A HE WAS TRYING TO LEAN LITTLE BIT ON BOTH SIDES TELLING LITTLE BIT ON BOTH SIDES TELLING QUICK.ANESE DON'T QUICK.ANESE DON'T GWEN: THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A GWEN: THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A TRADE TREATY SIGNED.

TRADE TREATY SIGNED.

HAPPENED?

HAPPENED?

>> THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE >> THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE CORNERSTONE OF THIS AND IT GOT CORNERSTONE OF THIS AND IT GOT BOLIXED UP IN TRADITIONAL BOLIXED UP IN TRADITIONAL U.S.-JAPANESE STAREDOWN.

U.S.-JAPANESE STAREDOWN.

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SAID WE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SAID WE MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS IT WAS A MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS IT WAS A BREAKTHROUGH.

BREAKTHROUGH.

HE JAPANESE WERE NOT SAYING IT HE JAPANESE WERE NOT SAYING IT IS A BREAKTHROUGH.

IS A BREAKTHROUGH.

THEIR NEGOTIATOR SAID I WISH I THEIR NEGOTIATOR SAID I WISH I NEVER TOOK THIS JOB.

NEVER TOOK THIS JOB.

TO TALK ABOUT.

TO TALK ABOUT.

WE MOVE BACK TO WASHINGTON WHERE WE MOVE BACK TO WASHINGTON WHERE TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT STEPS WERE TAKEN ON STEPS WERE TAKEN ON DEBATES.

DEBATES.

AT THE SUPREME COURT THE AT THE SUPREME COURT THE 6-2 THAT THE ED 6-2 THAT THE ED AATE OF MICHIGAN MUST SUPPORT AATE OF MICHIGAN MUST SUPPORT VOTER APPROVED VAN ON HIGHER VOTER APPROVED VAN ON HIGHER EDUCATION.

EDUCATION.

THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SET IN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE SET IN MOTION A PLAN TO FREE PERHAPS MOTION A PLAN TO FREE PERHAPS THOUSANDS OF INMATES.

THOUSANDS OF INMATES.

FIRST THE COURT.

FIRST THE COURT.

IS ONLY THE LATEST MOVE TO IS ONLY THE LATEST MOVE TO ROLL BACK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IT ROLL BACK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IT SEEMS TO ME WE HAVE BEEN TALKING SEEMS TO ME WE HAVE BEEN TALKING THIS A LOT, JOAN.

THIS A LOT, JOAN.

BACKE CASE78 AND THE BACKE CASE78 AND THE BASED U CAN HAVE RACE BASED U CAN HAVE RACE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BUT NOT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BUT NOT QUOTAS.

QUOTAS.

WAY WITH ME A HROPLONG WAY WITH ME A HROPLONG JOHN ROBERTS CHIPPING AWAY.

JOHN ROBERTS CHIPPING AWAY.

THIS CASE THIS WEEK WAS NOT A THIS CASE THIS WEEK WAS NOT A TEST OF AFFIRMATIVE TEST OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND HIGHER EDUCATION BUT ACTION AND HIGHER EDUCATION BUT HETHER A STATE COULD BAN IT SO HETHER A STATE COULD BAN IT SO ITS HIGHER EDUCATION ITS HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS COULD NOT EVEN USE INSTITUTIONS COULD NOT EVEN USE THOSE POLICIES.

THOSE POLICIES.

INITIATIVE.LOT INITIATIVE.LOT VOTER VOICES.

VOTER VOICES.

>> EXACTLY.

>> EXACTLY.

IT WAS A 2006 BALLOT INITIATIVE IT WAS A 2006 BALLOT INITIATIVE THAT IS WHAT MATTETED TO THAT IS WHAT MATTETED TO JUSTICE KENNEDY AND THE JUSTICE KENNEDY AND THE CONSERVATIVES.

CONSERVATIVES.

KEVIN ACTIVIST KEVIN ACTIVIST BUT STEPHEN BREYER SAYING IT IS BUT STEPHEN BREYER SAYING IT IS TO DETERMINE URTS TO DETERMINE URTS WHETHER WE ARE GOING G AVE WHETHER WE ARE GOING G AVE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN A STATE, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN A STATE, THAT.TERS CAN DO THAT.TERS CAN DO THERE ARE A LANDFUL OF STATES -- THERE ARE A LANDFUL OF STATES -- HAVE IT F STATES THAT HAVE IT F STATES THAT AND MICHIGAN ENACTED THAT AND MICHIGAN ENACTED THAT MEASURE IN RESPONSE TO AN MEASURE IN RESPONSE TO AN SUPREME COURT RULING SUPREME COURT RULING THAT ALLOWED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

THAT ALLOWED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

IT WAS A VERY DIVISIVE RULING IT WAS A VERY DIVISIVE RULING PROMPTED THE FIRST EVER PROMPTED THE FIRST EVER ISSENT FROM THE BENCH BY OUR ISSENT FROM THE BENCH BY OUR FIRST HISPANIC JUSTICE SOTA FIRST HISPANIC JUSTICE SOTA YIOR AND SHOWED A LOT OF YIOR AND SHOWED A LOT OF TENSION AMONG THE JUSTICES.

TENSION AMONG THE JUSTICES.

FIVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, MORE FIVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, MORE OF JUST SAYING OF JUST SAYING WHERE WE ARE IN AMERICA IN TERMS WHERE WE ARE IN AMERICA IN TERMS OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EVEN OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EVEN THAT WAS NOT THE EXACT THAT WAS NOT THE EXACT LEGAGAQUESTION THAT HAD TO DO LEGAGAQUESTION THAT HAD TO DO ITH THE POWER OF THE VOTERS TO ITH THE POWER OF THE VOTERS TO ENACT IT.

ENACT IT.

TENSION.MORE ABOUT THE TENSION.MORE ABOUT THE HEN YOU SAY DISSENT MAYOR READ HEN YOU SAY DISSENT MAYOR READ IT OUT?

IT OUT?

>> YES, MOSTLY WE HAVE THESE IN >> YES, MOSTLY WE HAVE THESE IN UNE WHEN A DISSENTING JUSTICE UNE WHEN A DISSENTING JUSTICE FEELS SO STRONGLY IT WILL BE FEELS SO STRONGLY IT WILL BE AD FROM THE BENCH.

AD FROM THE BENCH.

MAJORITY T IS THE MAJORITY T IS THE OPINION.

OPINION.

AFTER JUSTICE KENNEDY WROTE FOR AFTER JUSTICE KENNEDY WROTE FOR WENT ON ABOUT 12 WENT ON ABOUT 12 MINUTES SAYING WHY Y E MINUTES SAYING WHY Y E CONSIDERATE WAS RULING THIS WAY CONSIDERATE WAS RULING THIS WAY , FAVOR OF THE MICHIGAN BAN , FAVOR OF THE MICHIGAN BAN HE THEN EXPLAINED FOR MORE HE THEN EXPLAINED FOR MORE MINUTES EXACTLY WHAT WAS AT MINUTES EXACTLY WHAT WAS AT STAKE AND ESSENTIALLY SAID NOT STAKE AND ESSENTIALLY SAID NOT RULING WRONG BUT RULING WRONG BUT YOU DON'T GET IT.

YOU DON'T GET IT.

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO RTANT THESE PROGRAMS ARE TO RTANT THESE PROGRAMS ARE PEOPLE ON THE MARGINS.

PEOPLE ON THE MARGINS.

THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WE THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD THIS VOICE.

HEARD THIS VOICE.

THINK OF WHEN SHE WAS NOMINATED THINK OF WHEN SHE WAS NOMINATED BARACK OVED IN 2009 BY BARACK OVED IN 2009 BY OBAMA, THE FIRST OBAMA, THE FIRST FRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT FRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT PEOPLE WONDERED HOW SHE WOULD PEOPLE WONDERED HOW SHE WOULD USE HER VOICE AND IT CAME USE HER VOICE AND IT CAME THIS WEEK.

THIS WEEK.

>> GET THE LEGAL BASIS FOR >> GET THE LEGAL BASIS FOR SAYING YOU CAN'T OVERRULE THE SAYING YOU CAN'T OVERRULE THE MAKING A VALIDIS MAKING A VALIDIS POINT.

POINT.

THE WHOLE IDEA I THOUGHT WITH THE WHOLE IDEA I THOUGHT WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS TO KEEP AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WAS TO KEEP GOING AS LONG AS YOU NEED IT.

GOING AS LONG AS YOU NEED IT.

IF IT IS STILLLL NEED WHAT HAD IF IT IS STILLLL NEED WHAT HAD NEXT?

NEXT?

>> IN IS A CASE COMING BACK.

>> IN IS A CASE COMING BACK.

UNIVERSITY OFAD A UNIVERSITY OFAD A TEXAS CASE A MUCH MORE DIRECT TEXAS CASE A MUCH MORE DIRECT HALLENGE TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION HALLENGE TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND HIGHER EDUCATION AND THEY AND HIGHER EDUCATION AND THEY ESSENTIALLY SAID WE ARE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY SAID WE ARE GOING TO EDUCATION TO EDUCATION TO CONTINUE USING RACE BASED CONTINUE USING RACE BASED AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BUT WE WANT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BUT WE WANT MORE SCRUTINY FOR IT.

MORE SCRUTINY FOR IT.

THAT CASE IS NOW PLAYING OUT IN THAT CASE IS NOW PLAYING OUT IN TEXAS COURTS AND I WOULD THINK TEXAS COURTS AND I WOULD THINK YEAR.L BE BACK THE NEXT YEAR.L BE BACK THE NEXT WHAT COULD HATCH DOWN THE ROAD WHAT COULD HATCH DOWN THE ROAD IS THE SUPREME COURT SAYS NOT IS THE SUPREME COURT SAYS NOT RID OF THEM RS GET RID OF THEM RS GET BUT SAY THAT NO EVEN IF HIGHER BUT SAY THAT NO EVEN IF HIGHER STATE WHERE THE STATE WHERE THE OTERS HAVEN'T EXERTED THEIR OTERS HAVEN'T EXERTED THEIR WILL YOU CAN'T DO IT EITHER.

WILL YOU CAN'T DO IT EITHER.

BREYER COME STICE BREYER COME STICE THESE.E WITH THESE.E WITH >> HE SAID THIS ISN'T ABOUT >> HE SAID THIS ISN'T ABOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND HIGHER AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND HIGHER EDUCATION.

EDUCATION.

ARE IS ABOUT WHAT VOTERS ARE IS ABOUT WHAT VOTERS ABLE TO DO VERSUS WHAT ELECTED ABLE TO DO VERSUS WHAT ELECTED JUDGES ARE ABLE TO DO.

JUDGES ARE ABLE TO DO.

SEPARATELY TO EXPLAIN SEPARATELY TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF BUT HE'S ALREADY, EVEN HIMSELF BUT HE'S ALREADY, EVEN CASES IN THE MICHIGAN CASES IN THE MICHIGAN 2003, HAD TAKEN A COMPROMISED 2003, HAD TAKEN A COMPROMISED POSITION.

POSITION.

UT IT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE UT IT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIBERALS TODAY ON THE BETWEEN LIBERALS TODAY ON THE SUPREME COURT AND THOSE IN THE SUPREME COURT AND THOSE IN THE 1980'S.

1980'S.

JUSTICE KAGAN RECUSED JUSTICE KAGAN RECUSED HERSELF.

HERSELF.

SHE HAD BEEN A SOLICITOR SHE HAD BEEN A SOLICITOR GENERAL.

GENERAL.

ASK YOU ABOUT O ASK YOU ABOUT O THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT MUST THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT MUST JUSTICES IN ED THE JUSTICES IN ED THE SOME RESPECTS BUT ABOUT THE FORT SOME RESPECTS BUT ABOUT THE FORT WAS A VISION AND PBS WAS A VISION AND PBS PARTY TO THE COMPLAINT.

PARTY TO THE COMPLAINT.

>> THEROADCASTERS ARE SUING >> THEROADCASTERS ARE SUING START-UP THAT RETRANSMITS START-UP THAT RETRANSMITS BROADCAST SIGNALS TO PEOPLE FOR BROADCAST SIGNALS TO PEOPLE FOR FEE THROUGH THE FEE THROUGH THE INTERNET.

INTERNET.

THE QUESTION WAS CAN THEY DO THE QUESTION WAS CAN THEY DO COPYRIGHTUT VIOLATING COPYRIGHTUT VIOLATING LAW AND I LOVE THE WAY YOU SAY LAW AND I LOVE THE WAY YOU SAY HE WILLED.

HE WILLED.

> JUST BREYER REFERRED TO > JUST BREYER REFERRED TO SO-CALLED PHOTO RECORDS AND SO-CALLED PHOTO RECORDS AND FORMER SOLICITOR GENERAL YOU FORMER SOLICITOR GENERAL YOU TO BRING HIM TRYING TO BRING HIM TRYING IT DOWN TO EARTH FOR THE IT DOWN TO EARTH FOR THE JUSTICES SAYING LET'S JUST THINK JUSTICES SAYING LET'S JUST THINK A CAR DEALER A CAR DEALER VERSUS A VALET SERVICE.

VERSUS A VALET SERVICE.

F YOU ARE DEALING WITH A CAR F YOU ARE DEALING WITH A CAR DEALER YOU ARE GETTING SOMETHING DEALER YOU ARE GETTING SOMETHING NEW AND HE SAID THAT IS WHAT NEW AND HE SAID THAT IS WHAT DOING.S DOING.S AND THEY ARE SAYING WE ARE JUST AND THEY ARE SAYING WE ARE JUST VALET.

OUR CAR WITH A VALET.

OUR CAR WITH A GWEN: WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT GWEN: WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

THAT.

SEEMS MA ADMINISTRATION SEEMS MA ADMINISTRATION TO BE KEEPING ITS PROMISE TO USE TO BE KEEPING ITS PROMISE TO USE CHANGE E CLOUT TO CHANGE E CLOUT TO POLICY.

POLICY.

THIS TIME THE BENEFICIARY WILL THIS TIME THE BENEFICIARY WILL BE NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS WHO HAVE BE NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS WHO HAVE BEEN JAILED TOO LONG.

BEEN JAILED TOO LONG.

EVEN AS THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS EVEN AS THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE JAMES COLE APPEARED TO MADE JAMES COLE APPEARED TO OBJECTIONS.THE OBJECTIONS.THE >> IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER >> IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT COMMUTATIONS ARE NOT THAT COMMUTATIONS ARE NOT PARDONS.

PARDONS.

THEY ARE NOT EXONERATIONS.

THEY ARE NOT EXONERATIONS.

HEY ARE NOT EXPRESSIONS OF HEY ARE NOT EXPRESSIONS OF FORGIVENESS.

FORGIVENESS.

RATHER, AS THE PRESIDENT SAID RATHER, AS THE PRESIDENT SAID THEY ARE "AN IMPORTANT STEP THEY ARE "AN IMPORTANT STEP RESTORING FUNDAMENTAL RESTORING FUNDAMENTAL IDEALS OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS."

IDEALS OF JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS."

WE KNOW WHAT THEY WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE NOT HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING ARE NOT HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT CAN BE INVOLVED AS A ABOUT THAT CAN BE INVOLVED AS A MOVE?

OF THIS MOVE?

OF THIS >> DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DO THE >> DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DO THE THE HAOIGH RE BETWEEN THE HAOIGH RE BETWEEN 100'S TO THOUSANDS.

100'S TO THOUSANDS.

216,000 INMATES 216,000 INMATES IN THE SYSTEM BUT THEY WILL HAVE IN THE SYSTEM BUT THEY WILL HAVE STRICT BASED ON SIX STRICT BASED ON SIX CRITERIA JIM COLE SET OUT.

CRITERIA JIM COLE SET OUT.

HEY HAVE SERVED AT LEAST 10 HEY HAVE SERVED AT LEAST 10 YEARS OF THE SENTENCE AND HAVE A YEARS OF THE SENTENCE AND HAVE A CLEAN RECORD IN PRISON, NO CLEAN RECORD IN PRISON, NO OF VIOLENCE.ISTORY OF VIOLENCE.ISTORY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT THEY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT THEY CARTELSTIES TO GANGS OR CARTELSTIES TO GANGS OR BECAUSE MOST OF THE PAOEEOPLE W BECAUSE MOST OF THE PAOEEOPLE W IN GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE ARE IN GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE ARE PRISON FOR DRUG OVERS.

PRISON FOR DRUG OVERS.

8,000 INVOLVING 8,000 INVOLVING CRACK COCAINE.

CRACK COCAINE.

CONGRESS FOUR YEARS AGO CHANGED CONGRESS FOUR YEARS AGO CHANGED THEM FOR CES, LOWERED THEM FOR CES, LOWERED THAT.

THAT.

SO, AS MANY AS 8,000 ARE STILL SO, AS MANY AS 8,000 ARE STILL LAWS SON UNDER THE OLD LAWS SON UNDER THE OLD COULD BE LET OUT UNDER THE NEW COULD BE LET OUT UNDER THE NEW SYSTEM.

SYSTEM.

GWEN: ARE THERE ANY JUSTIFIED GWEN: ARE THERE ANY JUSTIFIED THAT NONVIOLENT DRUG THAT NONVIOLENT DRUG OFFENDERS COULD BE TOO BROAD A OFFENDERS COULD BE TOO BROAD A MEANING ANYBODY WHO DEALT MEANING ANYBODY WHO DEALT WITH DRUGS WHICH COULD HAVE A WITH DRUGS WHICH COULD HAVE A AND COULD BE LET LOOSE?

AND COULD BE LET LOOSE?

>> IN IS A CONCERN IN SOME -- >> IN IS A CONCERN IN SOME -- THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT PUBLIC THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY BUT THE JUSTICE SAFETY BUT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAID IT WILL DEPARTMENT SAID IT WILL ANALYZE EVERY PETITI ANALYZE EVERY PETITI PETITION.

PETITION.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD TAKE THE REST OF THE OBAMA TAKE THE REST OF THE OBAMA E EN STRATION BECAUSE E EN STRATION BECAUSE THOUGH THESE CRITERIA ONLY APPLY THOUGH THESE CRITERIA ONLY APPLY O A NARROW BAND OF PEOPLE MOST O A NARROW BAND OF PEOPLE MOST LAWYERS SAY EVERY PRISONER IN LAWYERS SAY EVERY PRISONER IN THE SYSTEM WILL TRY.

THE SYSTEM WILL TRY.

GWEN: WHY NOT?

GWEN: WHY NOT?

WHAT IS THE REACTION ON WHAT IS THE REACTION ON CAPITOL HILL?

CAPITOL HILL?

THERE'S BEEN LEGISLATION THERE'S BEEN LEGISLATION ISSUE WHEREARD THIS ISSUE WHEREARD THIS PEOPLE ARE HAPPY THEY ARE GOING PEOPLE ARE HAPPY THEY ARE GOING AUSURPED?EEL AUSURPED?EEL >> THERE'S BEEN BIPARTISAN WORK >> THERE'S BEEN BIPARTISAN WORK IN THE SENATE.

IN THE SENATE.

SENATOR DURBIN WITH SOME TEA SENATOR DURBIN WITH SOME TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES, MIKE LEE PARTY CONSERVATIVES, MIKE LEE SENTENCING SUPPORT SENTENCING SUPPORT REFORM PARTICULARLY FOR DRUG REFORM PARTICULARLY FOR DRUG OFFENSES.

OFFENSES.

LESS HOUSE SIDE A LITTLE LESS HOUSE SIDE A LITTLE SO.

SO.

IN FACT, AS SOON AS THE JUSTICE IN FACT, AS SOON AS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CAME OUT THIS WEEK DEPARTMENT CAME OUT THIS WEEK THIS PLANANHE THIS PLANANHE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY PRESIDENT BARACK PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA IS DOING TOO MUCH VIA PEN OBAMA IS DOING TOO MUCH VIA PEN VEN THOUGH THE POWER TO GRANT VEN THOUGH THE POWER TO GRANT PARDONS S IN THE CONSTITUTION.

PARDONS S IN THE CONSTITUTION.

THAT AND HE HASN'T GRANTED THAT AND HE HASN'T GRANTED MANY PARDONS.

MANY PARDONS.

THE 'S BEEN AMONG THE 'S BEEN AMONG STINGIEST.

STINGIEST.

175 RANTED ONE IN EVERY 175 RANTED ONE IN EVERY PETITIONS WHICH IS FEWER THAN PETITIONS WHICH IS FEWER THAN FOUR.

FOUR.

PRESIDENTS BUSH AND PRESIDENTS BUSH AND PRESIDENT CLINTON, LAST DECEMBER PRESIDENT CLINTON, LAST DECEMBER E GRANTED SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT E GRANTED SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT EARLY RELEASES.

EARLY RELEASES.

>> WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION?

>> WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION?

S IT JUST TO CLEAR OUT THE S IT JUST TO CLEAR OUT THE OVERCROWDED PITCHER -- PRISON OVERCROWDED PITCHER -- PRISON SYSTEM?

SYSTEM?

IT IS REALLY EXPENSIVE TO IT IS REALLY EXPENSIVE TO HOUSE THIS MANY PEOPLE.

HOUSE THIS MANY PEOPLE.

TO S LIKE $28,000 A YEAR TO S LIKE $28,000 A YEAR HOUSE ONE INMATE.

HOUSE ONE INMATE.

BUT THERE IS A CIVIL RIGHTS BUT THERE IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE.

ISSUE.

WHEN YOU ARE TALKING WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DRUG LAWS THEY HAVE BEEN ABOUT DRUG LAWS THEY HAVE BEEN DISPROPORTIONATELY.

DISPROPORTIONATELY.

ABOUT HALF THE PEOPLE IN THE ABOUT HALF THE PEOPLE IN THE , HALF THE DRUGS , HALF THE DRUGS PEOPLE IN THE FEDERAL PRISON PEOPLE IN THE FEDERAL PRISON IN FOR DRUGS AND MANY IN FOR DRUGS AND MANY ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR LATINO.

ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR LATINO.

SINCE THE LAW HAS BEEN SINCE THE LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED IS A FAIRNESS ISSUE NOT CHANGED IS A FAIRNESS ISSUE NOT DEPARTMENT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT JUSTICE BUT THE PRESIDENT.

BUT THE PRESIDENT.

OF OW LONG WILL IT BE ABOUT OF OW LONG WILL IT BE ABOUT THE FIRST BENEFICIAES GRIET OUT?

THE FIRST BENEFICIAES GRIET OUT?

A N: DON'T THEY HAVE TO HIRE A N: DON'T THEY HAVE TO HIRE LOT MORE WYERS?

LOT MORE WYERS?

>> I WILL BET CONGRESS WILL >> I WILL BET CONGRESS WILL A E THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT A E THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT LOT OF NEW MONEY TO DO THERE.

LOT OF NEW MONEY TO DO THERE.

>> UNLIKELY.

>> UNLIKELY.

BUT THERE WAS A CALL THERE WEEK BUT THERE WAS A CALL THERE WEEK U.S.

ATTORNEYS AROUNUNTHE U.S.

ATTORNEYS AROUNUNTHE COUNTRY AND TO PUBLIC DEFENDERS COUNTRY AND TO PUBLIC DEFENDERS OFFICE OF TO THE OFFICE OF TO THE JUSTICE TORNEYS AT THE JUSTICE TORNEYS AT THE COMPANY.

COMPANY.

THEY WANT NOT JUST PROSECUTORS THEY WANT NOT JUST PROSECUTORS BUT THOSE WHO ARE DEFENSE MINDED BUT THOSE WHO ARE DEFENSE MINDED THEM.VIEW THEM.VIEW THE PARDON OFFICE HAS BEEN THE PARDON OFFICE HAS BEEN PLAGUED BY DELAYS AND BACKLOG PLAGUED BY DELAYS AND BACKLOG YEARS.NTROVERSY FOR YEARS.NTROVERSY FOR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THIS WEEK THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THIS WEEK PUT IN PLACE A NEW LEADER WHO PUT IN PLACE A NEW LEADER WHO EQUAL ACKGROUND IN EQUAL ACKGROUND IN JUSTICE AND POVERTY.

JUSTICE AND POVERTY.

THEY HOPE SHE CAN TURN THAT THEY HOPE SHE CAN TURN THAT AROUND.

AROUND.

FOR LL STILL TAKE YEARS FOR LL STILL TAKE YEARS PEOPLE TO GET OUT.

PEOPLE TO GET OUT.

GWEN: IS THIS ON ERIC HOLDER'S GWEN: IS THIS ON ERIC HOLDER'S LIST?

LIST?

>> VERY MUCH SO.

>> VERY MUCH SO.

HE IS BEEN TALKING SINCE LAST HE IS BEEN TALKING SINCE LAST SMARTER ON BEING SMARTER ON BEING CRIME BECAUSE IT IS AT NEAR CRIME BECAUSE IT IS AT NEAR HISTORIC LOWS WE CAN HAVE THESE HISTORIC LOWS WE CAN HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS.

CONVERSATIONS.

SENTENCING RESOLVE AND CRIMINAL SENTENCING RESOLVE AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IS AT OR NEAR THE JUSTICE REFORM IS AT OR NEAR THE ALONG WITH VOTING RIGHTS.

ALONG WITH VOTING RIGHTS.

GWEN: WE WILL WATCH FOR ALL THE GWEN: WE WILL WATCH FOR ALL THE OTHER SHOES TO DROP.

OTHER SHOES TO DROP.

WEEK.BUSINESS IS HE WEEK.BUSINESS IS HE WE HAVE TO STOP NOW BUT THE WE HAVE TO STOP NOW BUT THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE ON CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE ON INE ON THE "WASHINGTON WEEK" INE ON THE "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA WHERE WE WILL DIG WEBCAST EXTRA WHERE WE WILL DIG A LITTLE DEEPER INTO WHAT DID A LITTLE DEEPER INTO WHAT DID UKRAINE OT HAPPEN IN UKRAINE OT HAPPEN IN THIS WEEK.

THIS WEEK.

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