COUNTERTERRORISM, CREDIBILITY WARS, MOVEMENT ON IMMIGRATION, AND DISASTER CREDIBILITY WARS, MOVEMENT ON IMMIGRATION, AND DISASTER POLITICS -- TONIGHT ON IMMIGRATION, AND DISASTER POLITICS -- TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

POLITICS -- TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

>> FROM OUR USE OF DRONES TO "WASHINGTON WEEK."

>> FROM OUR USE OF DRONES TO THE DETENTION OF TERRORIST >> FROM OUR USE OF DRONES TO THE DETENTION OF TERRORIST SUSPECTS, THE DECISIONS WE ARE THE DETENTION OF TERRORIST SUSPECTS, THE DECISIONS WE ARE MAKING WILL DEFINE THE TYPE OF SUSPECTS, THE DECISIONS WE ARE MAKING WILL DEFINE THE TYPE OF NATION AND WORLD THAT WE LEAVE MAKING WILL DEFINE THE TYPE OF NATION AND WORLD THAT WE LEAVE TO OUR CHILDREN.

NATION AND WORLD THAT WE LEAVE TO OUR CHILDREN.

GWEN: THE PRESIDENT DEFENDS HIS TO OUR CHILDREN.

GWEN: THE PRESIDENT DEFENDS HIS APPROACH TO A NEW WORLD OF WAR, GWEN: THE PRESIDENT DEFENDS HIS APPROACH TO A NEW WORLD OF WAR, PLEDGING TO LIMIT THE USE OF APPROACH TO A NEW WORLD OF WAR, PLEDGING TO LIMIT THE USE OF DRONES AND CLOSE THE PRISON AT PLEDGING TO LIMIT THE USE OF DRONES AND CLOSE THE PRISON AT UANTANAMO.

DRONES AND CLOSE THE PRISON AT UANTANAMO.

MEANWHILE, THE I.R.S.

REMAINS UANTANAMO.

MEANWHILE, THE I.R.S.

REMAINS UNDER FIRE.

MEANWHILE, THE I.R.S.

REMAINS UNDER FIRE.

>> I DID NOT LIE, SIR.

UNDER FIRE.

>> I DID NOT LIE, SIR.

>> YOU LIED BY OMISSION.

>> I DID NOT LIE, SIR.

>> YOU LIED BY OMISSION.

YOU KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND >> YOU LIED BY OMISSION.

YOU KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND YOU KNEW THAT WE HAD ASKED -- YOU KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND YOU KNEW THAT WE HAD ASKED -- YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD US.

YOU KNEW THAT WE HAD ASKED -- YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD US.

>> I ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.

YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD US.

>> I ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.

I ANSWERED THEM TRUTHFULLY.

>> I ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS.

I ANSWERED THEM TRUTHFULLY.

WE WERE NOT POLITICALLY I ANSWERED THEM TRUTHFULLY.

WE WERE NOT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED IN TRGING WE WERE NOT POLITICALLY MOTIVATED IN TRGING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.

MOTIVATED IN TRGING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.

>> IFFER NOT DONE ANYTHING CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.

>> IFFER NOT DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

>> IFFER NOT DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

I HAVE NOT BROKEN ANY LAWS.

WRONG.

I HAVE NOT BROKEN ANY LAWS.

>> DRIP, DRIP, DRIP.

I HAVE NOT BROKEN ANY LAWS.

>> DRIP, DRIP, DRIP.

VERY DAY THERE'S SOMETHING NOW >> DRIP, DRIP, DRIP.

VERY DAY THERE'S SOMETHING NOW .

VERY DAY THERE'S SOMETHING NOW .

GWEN: THE SENATE MOVES, OH, SO .

GWEN: THE SENATE MOVES, OH, SO SLOWLY, ON IMMIGRATION REFORM.

GWEN: THE SENATE MOVES, OH, SO SLOWLY, ON IMMIGRATION REFORM.

AND IN THE WAKE OF A SLOWLY, ON IMMIGRATION REFORM.

AND IN THE WAKE OF A DEVASTATING TORNADO IN AND IN THE WAKE OF A DEVASTATING TORNADO IN OKLAHOMA, THE DEBATE IN DEVASTATING TORNADO IN OKLAHOMA, THE DEBATE IN WASHINGTON TURNS TO WHO PAYS OKLAHOMA, THE DEBATE IN WASHINGTON TURNS TO WHO PAYS FOR THE RECOVERY?

WASHINGTON TURNS TO WHO PAYS FOR THE RECOVERY?

>> WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS FOR THE RECOVERY?

>> WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS HELP THE CAREER POLITICIANS PAD >> WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS HELP THE CAREER POLITICIANS PAD THEIR POCKETS.

HELP THE CAREER POLITICIANS PAD THEIR POCKETS.

GWEN: DECIION SAND ZEEBT.

THEIR POCKETS.

GWEN: DECIION SAND ZEEBT.

COVERINGLE -- THE WEEK, DOYLE GWEN: DECIION SAND ZEEBT.

COVERINGLE -- THE WEEK, DOYLE MCMANUS OF "THE LOS ANGELES COVERINGLE -- THE WEEK, DOYLE MCMANUS OF "THE LOS ANGELES TIMES," DAN BALZ OF "THE MCMANUS OF "THE LOS ANGELES TIMES," DAN BALZ OF "THE WASHINGTON POST," FAWN JOHNSON TIMES," DAN BALZ OF "THE WASHINGTON POST," FAWN JOHNSON OF THE "NATIONAL JOURNAL," AND WASHINGTON POST," FAWN JOHNSON OF THE "NATIONAL JOURNAL," AND CHARLES BABINGTON OF THE OF THE "NATIONAL JOURNAL," AND CHARLES BABINGTON OF THE SSOCIATED PRESS.

CHARLES BABINGTON OF THE SSOCIATED PRESS.

>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND SSOCIATED PRESS.

>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.

ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, IT HAPPENS.

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN IFILL".

STATIONS FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU.

THANK YOU.

ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM THANK YOU.

ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

WE'RE FREQUENTLY ALERTED IN GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

WE'RE FREQUENTLY ALERTED IN ADVANCE WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS WE'RE FREQUENTLY ALERTED IN ADVANCE WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS TO DELIVER WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE ADVANCE WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS TO DELIVER WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE CALLS A MAJOR ADDRESS.

TO DELIVER WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE CALLS A MAJOR ADDRESS.

YESTERDAY'S NATIONAL SECURITY CALLS A MAJOR ADDRESS.

YESTERDAY'S NATIONAL SECURITY SPEECH IN WHICH HE TACKLED YESTERDAY'S NATIONAL SECURITY SPEECH IN WHICH HE TACKLED LONGSTANDING CRITICISMS OVER SPEECH IN WHICH HE TACKLED LONGSTANDING CRITICISMS OVER HOW WE PROSECUTE WARS, TARGET LONGSTANDING CRITICISMS OVER HOW WE PROSECUTE WARS, TARGET THREATS, AND IMPRISON SUSPECTS, HOW WE PROSECUTE WARS, TARGET THREATS, AND IMPRISON SUSPECTS, CTUALLY WAS ONE.

THREATS, AND IMPRISON SUSPECTS, CTUALLY WAS ONE.

CHIEF AMONG ITS THEMES, A CTUALLY WAS ONE.

CHIEF AMONG ITS THEMES, A DEFENSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S CHIEF AMONG ITS THEMES, A DEFENSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROGRAM USING DRONES TO TARGET DEFENSE OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROGRAM USING DRONES TO TARGET ENEMIES.

PROGRAM USING DRONES TO TARGET ENEMIES.

>> REMEMBER THAT THE TERRORISTS ENEMIES.

>> REMEMBER THAT THE TERRORISTS WE ARE AFTER TARGET CIVILIANS, >> REMEMBER THAT THE TERRORISTS WE ARE AFTER TARGET CIVILIANS, AND THE DEATH TOLL FROM THEIR WE ARE AFTER TARGET CIVILIANS, AND THE DEATH TOLL FROM THEIR ACTS OF TERRORISM AGAINST AND THE DEATH TOLL FROM THEIR ACTS OF TERRORISM AGAINST MUSLIMS DWARFS ANY ESTIMATE OF ACTS OF TERRORISM AGAINST MUSLIMS DWARFS ANY ESTIMATE OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES FROM DRONE MUSLIMS DWARFS ANY ESTIMATE OF CIVILIAN CASUALTIES FROM DRONE STRIKES.

CIVILIAN CASUALTIES FROM DRONE STRIKES.

SO, DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN STRIKES.

SO, DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION.

SO, DOING NOTHING IS NOT AN OPTION.

GWEN: THE -- THE PRESIDENT ALSO OPTION.

GWEN: THE -- THE PRESIDENT ALSO DEMANDED CONGRESS ALLOW HIM TO GWEN: THE -- THE PRESIDENT ALSO DEMANDED CONGRESS ALLOW HIM TO CLOSE THE PRISON AT GUANTANAMO DEMANDED CONGRESS ALLOW HIM TO CLOSE THE PRISON AT GUANTANAMO BAY.

CLOSE THE PRISON AT GUANTANAMO BAY.

JOHN MCCAIN, AT LEAST, AGREED BAY.

JOHN MCCAIN, AT LEAST, AGREED WITH HIM.

JOHN MCCAIN, AT LEAST, AGREED WITH HIM.

>> IN LIGHT OF THE PRESIDENT'S WITH HIM.

>> IN LIGHT OF THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH TODAY, WE WILL PLEDGE >> IN LIGHT OF THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH TODAY, WE WILL PLEDGE OUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH SPEECH TODAY, WE WILL PLEDGE OUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED OUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SEE THAT GUANTANAMO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO SEE THAT GUANTANAMO IS CLOSED.

STATES TO SEE THAT GUANTANAMO IS CLOSED.

GWEN: SO WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID IS CLOSED.

GWEN: SO WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID THIS SPEH CHECANGE, DOYLE?

GWEN: SO WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DID THIS SPEH CHECANGE, DOYLE?

>> ACTUALLY, GWEN, IT DID THIS SPEH CHECANGE, DOYLE?

>> ACTUALLY, GWEN, IT DID CHANGE A COUPLE OF THINGS, >> ACTUALLY, GWEN, IT DID CHANGE A COUPLE OF THINGS, WHICH SUN USUAL BECAUSE WE CHANGE A COUPLE OF THINGS, WHICH SUN USUAL BECAUSE WE OFTEN CYNICALLY LOOK AT A WHICH SUN USUAL BECAUSE WE OFTEN CYNICALLY LOOK AT A SPEECH AND SAY IT'S JUST WORDS, OFTEN CYNICALLY LOOK AT A SPEECH AND SAY IT'S JUST WORDS, NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

SPEECH AND SAY IT'S JUST WORDS, NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.

FIRST, PROOP CHANGED THE RULES FIRST, PROOP CHANGED THE RULES FOR TARGETED KILLINGS FOR THE DRONE WAR.

FOR TARGETED KILLINGS FOR THE DRONE WAR.

UNTIL NOW IT WAS A PRETTY BROOD DRONE WAR.

UNTIL NOW IT WAS A PRETTY BROOD DR. BROAD RULE.

UNTIL NOW IT WAS A PRETTY BROOD DR. BROAD RULE.

A SUSPECTED TERRORIST WHO WAS A DR. BROAD RULE.

A SUSPECTED TERRORIST WHO WAS A THREAT TO AMERICAN INTERESTS.

A SUSPECTED TERRORIST WHO WAS A THREAT TO AMERICAN INTERESTS.

NOW IT'S A TIGHTER RULE.

THREAT TO AMERICAN INTERESTS.

NOW IT'S A TIGHTER RULE.

IT'S A CONTINUING AND IMMINENT NOW IT'S A TIGHTER RULE.

IT'S A CONTINUING AND IMMINENT THREAT TO AMERICANS.

IT'S A CONTINUING AND IMMINENT THREAT TO AMERICANS.

THAT DOESN'T COVER SOMEBODY WHO THREAT TO AMERICANS.

THAT DOESN'T COVER SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE, FOR EXAMPLE, A THREAT THAT DOESN'T COVER SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE, FOR EXAMPLE, A THREAT TO THE THE GOVERNMENT OF YEMEN, MIGHT BE, FOR EXAMPLE, A THREAT TO THE THE GOVERNMENT OF YEMEN, WHICH HAD BEEN THE CASE BEFORE.

TO THE THE GOVERNMENT OF YEMEN, WHICH HAD BEEN THE CASE BEFORE.

THE PRESIDENT SAID THERE HAS TO WHICH HAD BEEN THE CASE BEFORE.

THE PRESIDENT SAID THERE HAS TO BE A NEAR CERTAINTY THAT THERE THE PRESIDENT SAID THERE HAS TO BE A NEAR CERTAINTY THAT THERE WON'T BE SIRBLE -- CIVILIAN BE A NEAR CERTAINTY THAT THERE WON'T BE SIRBLE -- CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.

WON'T BE SIRBLE -- CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.

HE DID SAY HE WOULD LIFT HIS CASUALTIES.

HE DID SAY HE WOULD LIFT HIS MOORETORIUM ON SENDING HE DID SAY HE WOULD LIFT HIS MOORETORIUM ON SENDING GUANTANAMO BAY DEDANEES BACK TO MOORETORIUM ON SENDING GUANTANAMO BAY DEDANEES BACK TO EMEN.

GUANTANAMO BAY DEDANEES BACK TO EMEN.

THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAD EMEN.

THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAD PULLED THAT BACK AFTER THE THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAD PULLED THAT BACK AFTER THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER IN 2009 PULLED THAT BACK AFTER THE UNDERWEAR BOMBER IN 2009 BECAUSE OF FEARS YEMEN WASN'T UNDERWEAR BOMBER IN 2009 BECAUSE OF FEARS YEMEN WASN'T STABLE ENOUGH.

BECAUSE OF FEARS YEMEN WASN'T STABLE ENOUGH.

HE CAN DO THAT ON HIS OWN.

STABLE ENOUGH.

HE CAN DO THAT ON HIS OWN.

THEN THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO HE CAN DO THAT ON HIS OWN.

THEN THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO CHANGE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE WAR THEN THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO CHANGE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE WAR ON TERROR AND GET US TO TCHI -- CHANGE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE WAR ON TERROR AND GET US TO TCHI -- THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN ON TERROR AND GET US TO TCHI -- THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WAR ACTUALLY ENDS.

THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WAR ACTUALLY ENDS.

THAT'S A BROAD ONE THE THE WAR ACTUALLY ENDS.

THAT'S A BROAD ONE THE >> I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE THAT'S A BROAD ONE THE >> I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMING OF IT.

>> I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE TIMING OF IT.

WHY WERE WE HAVING THIS SPEECH?

TIMING OF IT.

WHY WERE WE HAVING THIS SPEECH?

IS IT A NAGGING PROBLEM OR A WHY WERE WE HAVING THIS SPEECH?

IS IT A NAGGING PROBLEM OR A PROBLEM THAT THE WORMED IS IS IT A NAGGING PROBLEM OR A PROBLEM THAT THE WORMED IS LOOKING AT?

PROBLEM THAT THE WORMED IS LOOKING AT?

>> IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF LOOKING AT?

>> IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF CUMULATIVE LOOSE ENDS, IF YOU >> IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF CUMULATIVE LOOSE ENDS, IF YOU LIKE.

CUMULATIVE LOOSE ENDS, IF YOU LIKE.

A WHOLE BUNCH OF PIECES OF THE LIKE.

A WHOLE BUNCH OF PIECES OF THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK OF THE WAR ON A WHOLE BUNCH OF PIECES OF THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK OF THE WAR ON TERROR THAT HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF LEGAL FRAMEWORK OF THE WAR ON TERROR THAT HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF SYNC WITH WHERE THINGS ARE NOW.

TERROR THAT HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF SYNC WITH WHERE THINGS ARE NOW.

BUT A LOT OF IT COMES FROM THE SYNC WITH WHERE THINGS ARE NOW.

BUT A LOT OF IT COMES FROM THE THACT -- FACT THAT I THINK BUT A LOT OF IT COMES FROM THE THACT -- FACT THAT I THINK PROOP -- PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THACT -- FACT THAT I THINK PROOP -- PRESIDENT OBAMA IS DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE PROOP -- PRESIDENT OBAMA IS DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT HE STARTED OUT AS A DEEPLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT HE STARTED OUT AS A CIVIL LIBERTARIAN AND STILL FACT THAT HE STARTED OUT AS A CIVIL LIBERTARIAN AND STILL THINKS OF HIMSELF THAT WAY BUT CIVIL LIBERTARIAN AND STILL THINKS OF HIMSELF THAT WAY BUT SOMEHOW HE'S THE GUY THAT THINKS OF HIMSELF THAT WAY BUT SOMEHOW HE'S THE GUY THAT ESCALATED THE DRONE WAR, IS SOMEHOW HE'S THE GUY THAT ESCALATED THE DRONE WAR, IS BEING ACCUSED OF CAUSING ESCALATED THE DRONE WAR, IS BEING ACCUSED OF CAUSING CIVILIAN CASUALTIES, STILL BEING ACCUSED OF CAUSING CIVILIAN CASUALTIES, STILL HOLDING DETAINEES IN GUANTANAMO CIVILIAN CASUALTIES, STILL HOLDING DETAINEES IN GUANTANAMO FOUR YEARS AFTER HE PLEDGED TO HOLDING DETAINEES IN GUANTANAMO FOUR YEARS AFTER HE PLEDGED TO CLOSE IT DOWN THE INCIDENTALLY, FOUR YEARS AFTER HE PLEDGED TO CLOSE IT DOWN THE INCIDENTALLY, THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S CLOSE IT DOWN THE INCIDENTALLY, THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

EVEN IF GUANTANAMO IS CLOSED, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

EVEN IF GUANTANAMO IS CLOSED, THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO EVEN IF GUANTANAMO IS CLOSED, THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO MOVE HERE.

THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO MOVE HERE.

>> THAT RAISES THE QUESTION, MOVE HERE.

>> THAT RAISES THE QUESTION, DOYLE, ON, HE ENUSIATED IT AS A >> THAT RAISES THE QUESTION, DOYLE, ON, HE ENUSIATED IT AS A CANDIDATE AND THEN CLEARLY WAS DOYLE, ON, HE ENUSIATED IT AS A CANDIDATE AND THEN CLEARLY WAS IN -- UNABLE TO GET IT DONE.

CANDIDATE AND THEN CLEARLY WAS IN -- UNABLE TO GET IT DONE.

WHAT HAS PROMPTED HIM TO COME IN -- UNABLE TO GET IT DONE.

WHAT HAS PROMPTED HIM TO COME BACK TO THIS?

WHAT HAS PROMPTED HIM TO COME BACK TO THIS?

IT SUGGESTS THE PROSPECT FOR BACK TO THIS?

IT SUGGESTS THE PROSPECT FOR DOING IT ARE NOT ANY BETTER IT SUGGESTS THE PROSPECT FOR DOING IT ARE NOT ANY BETTER SIGNIFICANTLY AND IT HAS STUCK DOING IT ARE NOT ANY BETTER SIGNIFICANTLY AND IT HAS STUCK IN HIS CRAW.

SIGNIFICANTLY AND IT HAS STUCK IN HIS CRAW.

AND THAT HUNGER STRIKE AT IN HIS CRAW.

AND THAT HUNGER STRIKE AT GUANTANAMO.

AND THAT HUNGER STRIKE AT GUANTANAMO.

THE PRESIDENT AND WHITE HOUSE GUANTANAMO.

THE PRESIDENT AND WHITE HOUSE AIDES LIKE TO WALK AROUND THIS THE PRESIDENT AND WHITE HOUSE AIDES LIKE TO WALK AROUND THIS PROBLEM, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU AIDES LIKE TO WALK AROUND THIS PROBLEM, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE DOZENS OF DETAINEES AT PROBLEM, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE DOZENS OF DETAINEES AT GUANTANAMO WHO HAVE ALREADY HAVE DOZENS OF DETAINEES AT GUANTANAMO WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED FOR RELEASE SOME GUANTANAMO WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED FOR RELEASE SOME AS LONG AGO AS THE BUSH BEEN CLEARED FOR RELEASE SOME AS LONG AGO AS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THEY'RE AS LONG AGO AS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND THEY'RE STUCK THERE, NO PATH TO GET ADMINISTRATION AND THEY'RE STUCK THERE, NO PATH TO GET OUT, NO WAY TO APPEAL, LED THEM STUCK THERE, NO PATH TO GET OUT, NO WAY TO APPEAL, LED THEM INTO THE HUNGER STRIKE.

OUT, NO WAY TO APPEAL, LED THEM INTO THE HUNGER STRIKE.

THE HUNGER STRIKE IS AN INTO THE HUNGER STRIKE.

THE HUNGER STRIKE IS AN UNTENABLE SITUATION.

THE HUNGER STRIKE IS AN UNTENABLE SITUATION.

IT'S BEEN A REMARKABLY DISCUSS UNTENABLE SITUATION.

IT'S BEEN A REMARKABLY DISCUSS -- SUCCESSFUL HUNGER STRIKE IN IT'S BEEN A REMARKABLY DISCUSS -- SUCCESSFUL HUNGER STRIKE IN THE SENSE OF COMB -- COMPELLING -- SUCCESSFUL HUNGER STRIKE IN THE SENSE OF COMB -- COMPELLING NOT JUST OUR ATTENTION BUT THE THE SENSE OF COMB -- COMPELLING NOT JUST OUR ATTENTION BUT THE PRESIDENT'S ATTENTION.

NOT JUST OUR ATTENTION BUT THE PRESIDENT'S ATTENTION.

>> ONE THING THAT CAME ACROSS PRESIDENT'S ATTENTION.

>> ONE THING THAT CAME ACROSS IN THE SPEECH WAS HOW FORCEFUL >> ONE THING THAT CAME ACROSS IN THE SPEECH WAS HOW FORCEFUL THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN, IN THE SPEECH WAS HOW FORCEFUL THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN, PARTICULARLY IN HIS USE OF THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN, PARTICULARLY IN HIS USE OF DRONES.

PARTICULARLY IN HIS USE OF DRONES.

THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE DRONES.

THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE MEDIA PLAY INTO THIS?

THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE MEDIA PLAY INTO THIS?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

MEDIA PLAY INTO THIS?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS ALL OF A PIECE.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS ALL OF A PIECE.

IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT BARACK THIS IS ALL OF A PIECE.

IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT BARACK OBAMA'S APPROACH TO THE WAR ON IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT BARACK OBAMA'S APPROACH TO THE WAR ON FRISM IN GENERAL HE REALLY DID OBAMA'S APPROACH TO THE WAR ON FRISM IN GENERAL HE REALLY DID SPEND MOAT MOST OF HIS FIRST FRISM IN GENERAL HE REALLY DID SPEND MOAT MOST OF HIS FIRST TERM PROVING HOW TOUGH HE WAS SPEND MOAT MOST OF HIS FIRST TERM PROVING HOW TOUGH HE WAS AND THE INCREASED DRONES WAS TERM PROVING HOW TOUGH HE WAS AND THE INCREASED DRONES WAS PART OF THAT AND IN A EXPENSE AND THE INCREASED DRONES WAS PART OF THAT AND IN A EXPENSE THE LEAK INVESTIGATIONS WERE PART OF THAT AND IN A EXPENSE THE LEAK INVESTIGATIONS WERE PART OF THAT.

THE LEAK INVESTIGATIONS WERE PART OF THAT.

MORE LEAK INVESTIGATIONS UNDER PART OF THAT.

MORE LEAK INVESTIGATIONS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION THAN ANY MORE LEAK INVESTIGATIONS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION THAN ANY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION AND THE THIS ADMINISTRATION THAN ANY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION AND THE MOST RECENT CASE AGAINST JIM PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION AND THE MOST RECENT CASE AGAINST JIM ROSEN OF FOX NEWS IN WHICH THE MOST RECENT CASE AGAINST JIM ROSEN OF FOX NEWS IN WHICH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NAMED HIM AS ROSEN OF FOX NEWS IN WHICH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NAMED HIM AS IS SOMETHING OR JUSTICE DEPARTMENT NAMED HIM AS IS SOMETHING OR THE ADMINISTRATION THREATENED IS SOMETHING OR THE ADMINISTRATION THREATENED TO DO BUT ONLY THE JUSTICE THE ADMINISTRATION THREATENED TO DO BUT ONLY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IT.

TO DO BUT ONLY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IT.

THAT LAST SEEMS TO HAVE CROSSED DEPARTMENT HAS DONE IT.

THAT LAST SEEMS TO HAVE CROSSED A STORT -- SORT OF TRIP WIRE THAT LAST SEEMS TO HAVE CROSSED A STORT -- SORT OF TRIP WIRE FOR THE PRESIDENT.

A STORT -- SORT OF TRIP WIRE FOR THE PRESIDENT.

HE SORT OF TOLD ERIC HOLDER FOR THE PRESIDENT.

HE SORT OF TOLD ERIC HOLDER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT HE SORT OF TOLD ERIC HOLDER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT INVESTIGATION OUGHT TO BE.

WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT INVESTIGATION OUGHT TO BE.

>> EXCEPT HE EMPOWERED HIS INVESTIGATION OUGHT TO BE.

>> EXCEPT HE EMPOWERED HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INVESTIGATE >> EXCEPT HE EMPOWERED HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INVESTIGATE HIMSELF, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO INVESTIGATE HIMSELF, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS GOING TO WORK VERY WELL.

HIMSELF, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS GOING TO WORK VERY WELL.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO GOING TO WORK VERY WELL.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER NAGGING POLICY PROBLEM WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER NAGGING POLICY PROBLEM -- TARGETING OF THE POLITICAL ANOTHER NAGGING POLICY PROBLEM -- TARGETING OF THE POLITICAL SORT, AT THE I.R.S.

-- TARGETING OF THE POLITICAL SORT, AT THE I.R.S.

THE OFFICIAL IN CHARGE OF THE SORT, AT THE I.R.S.

THE OFFICIAL IN CHARGE OF THE MESS TOOK THE FIFTH RATHER THAN THE OFFICIAL IN CHARGE OF THE MESS TOOK THE FIFTH RATHER THAN TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS, THEN MESS TOOK THE FIFTH RATHER THAN TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS, THEN AS PLACED ON PAID LEAVE.

TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS, THEN AS PLACED ON PAID LEAVE.

BUT THE UPROAR CONTINUED, AND AS PLACED ON PAID LEAVE.

BUT THE UPROAR CONTINUED, AND IN THE END, YOU COULD BE BUT THE UPROAR CONTINUED, AND IN THE END, YOU COULD BE FORGIVEN FOR NOT KNOWING WHO TO IN THE END, YOU COULD BE FORGIVEN FOR NOT KNOWING WHO TO TRUST.

FORGIVEN FOR NOT KNOWING WHO TO TRUST.

WITH ALL THE SHIFTING ACCOUNTS TRUST.

WITH ALL THE SHIFTING ACCOUNTS SURROUNDING THIS, IS GOVERNMENT WITH ALL THE SHIFTING ACCOUNTS SURROUNDING THIS, IS GOVERNMENT LOSING THE CREDIBILITY WAR, SURROUNDING THIS, IS GOVERNMENT LOSING THE CREDIBILITY WAR, DAN?

LOSING THE CREDIBILITY WAR, DAN?

>> WELL, I MEAN, GWEN, THERE DAN?

>> WELL, I MEAN, GWEN, THERE ARE A LOT OF ANGLES FROM WHICH >> WELL, I MEAN, GWEN, THERE ARE A LOT OF ANGLES FROM WHICH YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS I.R.S.

ARE A LOT OF ANGLES FROM WHICH YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS I.R.S.

SCANDAL, BUT THAT'S CLEARLY ONE YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS I.R.S.

SCANDAL, BUT THAT'S CLEARLY ONE OF THEM.

SCANDAL, BUT THAT'S CLEARLY ONE OF THEM.

EVEN BEFORE THIS WE KNOW THAT OF THEM.

EVEN BEFORE THIS WE KNOW THAT THE TRUST IN GOVERNMENT WAS AT EVEN BEFORE THIS WE KNOW THAT THE TRUST IN GOVERNMENT WAS AT A LOW EBB.

THE TRUST IN GOVERNMENT WAS AT A LOW EBB.

THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER DID A A LOW EBB.

THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER DID A SURVEY A MONTH AGO THAT -- THAT THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER DID A SURVEY A MONTH AGO THAT -- THAT SAID THE TRUST IN GOVERNMENT SURVEY A MONTH AGO THAT -- THAT SAID THE TRUST IN GOVERNMENT WAS AT OR CLOSE TO ITS HISTORIC SAID THE TRUST IN GOVERNMENT WAS AT OR CLOSE TO ITS HISTORIC LOWS.

WAS AT OR CLOSE TO ITS HISTORIC LOWS.

THAT WAS ALL BEFORE THIS.

LOWS.

THAT WAS ALL BEFORE THIS.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THAT WAS ALL BEFORE THIS.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA IN I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA IN DECEMBER 2008.

PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA IN DECEMBER 2008.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED DECEMBER 2008.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED HIM WAS, IN ESSENCE, DO YOU AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED HIM WAS, IN ESSENCE, DO YOU THINK YOUR ELECTION MEANT THERE HIM WAS, IN ESSENCE, DO YOU THINK YOUR ELECTION MEANT THERE SAY GREATER RECEPTIVITY TO THINK YOUR ELECTION MEANT THERE SAY GREATER RECEPTIVITY TO BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND MORE SAY GREATER RECEPTIVITY TO BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND MORE ACTIVIST GOVERNMENT?

BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND MORE ACTIVIST GOVERNMENT?

HE SAID AT THE TIME I DON'T ACTIVIST GOVERNMENT?

HE SAID AT THE TIME I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION THE OF HE SAID AT THE TIME I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION THE OF BIGGER OR SMALLER GOVERNMENT.

THINK IT'S A QUESTION THE OF BIGGER OR SMALLER GOVERNMENT.

I THINK THERE IS SKEPTICISM OF BIGGER OR SMALLER GOVERNMENT.

I THINK THERE IS SKEPTICISM OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S BAKED INTO I THINK THERE IS SKEPTICISM OF GOVERNMENT THAT'S BAKED INTO THE SYSTEM SINCE RONALD REAGAN GOVERNMENT THAT'S BAKED INTO THE SYSTEM SINCE RONALD REAGAN ON -- OR BEFORE.

THE SYSTEM SINCE RONALD REAGAN ON -- OR BEFORE.

IT'S A QUESTION OF SMARTER ON -- OR BEFORE.

IT'S A QUESTION OF SMARTER GOVERNMENT.

IT'S A QUESTION OF SMARTER GOVERNMENT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THINGS TODAY I GOVERNMENT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THINGS TODAY I THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY HE'S IF YOU LOOK AT THINGS TODAY I THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY HE'S FAILED THAT TEST.

THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY HE'S FAILED THAT TEST.

YOU HAVE THE I.R.S., THE FAILED THAT TEST.

YOU HAVE THE I.R.S., THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT UNDER YOU HAVE THE I.R.S., THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT UNDER SCRUTINY BECAUSE OF SEXUAL DEFENSE DEPARTMENT UNDER SCRUTINY BECAUSE OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS THEY'VE NOT BEEN ABLE SCRUTINY BECAUSE OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS THEY'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BRING UNDER CONTROL, THE ASSAULTS THEY'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BRING UNDER CONTROL, THE BENGHAZI MATTER AND THE LAX TO BRING UNDER CONTROL, THE BENGHAZI MATTER AND THE LAX SECURITY.

BENGHAZI MATTER AND THE LAX SECURITY.

YOU ARE YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE A SECURITY.

YOU ARE YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF PROBLEMS WITH YOU ARE YOU ARE -- YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF PROBLEMS WITH ETHICAL, MANAGERIAL OR OTHER VARIETY OF PROBLEMS WITH ETHICAL, MANAGERIAL OR OTHER FLAWS THAT THE PUBLIC ARE ETHICAL, MANAGERIAL OR OTHER FLAWS THAT THE PUBLIC ARE SEEING AND THEY DON'T FLAWS THAT THE PUBLIC ARE SEEING AND THEY DON'T LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT THE SEEING AND THEY DON'T LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DO GOOD LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DO GOOD THINGS OR THE RIGHT THINGS.

GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DO GOOD THINGS OR THE RIGHT THINGS.

>> SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT THINGS OR THE RIGHT THINGS.

>> SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT >> SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SCANDAL ABOUT THE I.R.S.

OF THINGS WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SCANDAL ABOUT THE I.R.S.

INCLUDING WHY THESE PEOPLE IN THE SCANDAL ABOUT THE I.R.S.

INCLUDING WHY THESE PEOPLE IN CINCINNATI DID WHAT THEY DID ON INCLUDING WHY THESE PEOPLE IN CINCINNATI DID WHAT THEY DID ON THE TAX-EXEMPT APPLICATIONS.

CINCINNATI DID WHAT THEY DID ON THE TAX-EXEMPT APPLICATIONS.

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED AND WHAT THE TAX-EXEMPT APPLICATIONS.

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES ARE WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES ARE THAT THEY WILL BE ANSWERED?

DO YOU THINK THE CHANCES ARE THAT THEY WILL BE ANSWERED?

>> I THINK THE BIG VAZQUEZ THAT THEY WILL BE ANSWERED?

>> I THINK THE BIG VAZQUEZ DOCTOR QUESTIONS ARE STILL AS >> I THINK THE BIG VAZQUEZ DOCTOR QUESTIONS ARE STILL AS UNANSWERED AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOCTOR QUESTIONS ARE STILL AS UNANSWERED AS THEY HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING THE WE KNOW UNANSWERED AS THEY HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING THE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

FROM THE BEGINNING THE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

WE KNOW THERE WAS TARGETING OF WHAT HAPPENED.

WE KNOW THERE WAS TARGETING OF CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.

WE KNOW THERE WAS TARGETING OF CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.

THE CLAIM IS THAT THIS WAS ALL CONSERVATIVE GROUPS.

THE CLAIM IS THAT THIS WAS ALL DEMUN THE CINCINNATI OFFICE.

THE CLAIM IS THAT THIS WAS ALL DEMUN THE CINCINNATI OFFICE.

WE HAD HEARINGS THIS WEEK DEMUN THE CINCINNATI OFFICE.

WE HAD HEARINGS THIS WEEK BEFORE HOUSE AN SENATE WE HAD HEARINGS THIS WEEK BEFORE HOUSE AN SENATE COMMITTEE.

BEFORE HOUSE AN SENATE COMMITTEE.

WE HAD THE FORMER COMMISSIONER COMMITTEE.

WE HAD THE FORMER COMMISSIONER OF I.R.S.

TESTIFY.

WE HAD THE FORMER COMMISSIONER OF I.R.S.

TESTIFY.

THE FORMER ACTING COMMISSIONER OF I.R.S.

TESTIFY.

THE FORMER ACTING COMMISSIONER TESTIFY AND LOIS LERNER GIVE A THE FORMER ACTING COMMISSIONER TESTIFY AND LOIS LERNER GIVE A STATEMENT, BUT WE DID NOT TESTIFY AND LOIS LERNER GIVE A STATEMENT, BUT WE DID NOT ALLYRE LEARN ANYTHING FURTHER STATEMENT, BUT WE DID NOT ALLYRE LEARN ANYTHING FURTHER ABOUT HOW THIS ALL TRANSPIRED.

ALLYRE LEARN ANYTHING FURTHER ABOUT HOW THIS ALL TRANSPIRED.

I THINK UNTIL THAT BEGINS TO ABOUT HOW THIS ALL TRANSPIRED.

I THINK UNTIL THAT BEGINS TO COME OUT AND WE HEAR FROM MORE I THINK UNTIL THAT BEGINS TO COME OUT AND WE HEAR FROM MORE PEOPLE I THINK THERE ARE GOING COME OUT AND WE HEAR FROM MORE PEOPLE I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, PEOPLE I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, LEGITIMATELY ASKED, ABOUT HOW TO BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, LEGITIMATELY ASKED, ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LEGITIMATELY ASKED, ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RIGHTLY SKEPTICAL THAT THERE IT HAPPENED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RIGHTLY SKEPTICAL THAT THERE WASN'T SOME KIND OF POLITICAL RIGHTLY SKEPTICAL THAT THERE WASN'T SOME KIND OF POLITICAL MOTIVE.

WASN'T SOME KIND OF POLITICAL MOTIVE.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN INECONOMY -- MOTIVE.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN INECONOMY -- INCOMPETENT BUT WHY AGAINST THE IT MAY HAVE BEEN INECONOMY -- INCOMPETENT BUT WHY AGAINST THE PRESIDENT'S OPPONENTS?

INCOMPETENT BUT WHY AGAINST THE PRESIDENT'S OPPONENTS?

GWEN: AND I WAS CURIOUS, SHOULD PRESIDENT'S OPPONENTS?

GWEN: AND I WAS CURIOUS, SHOULD THE PRESIDENT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT GWEN: AND I WAS CURIOUS, SHOULD THE PRESIDENT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS?

THE PRESIDENT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS?

>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

THIS?

>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

GWEN: THE CHIEF OF STAFF KNEW >> IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

GWEN: THE CHIEF OF STAFF KNEW ABOUT IT AND THE WHITE HOUSE GWEN: THE CHIEF OF STAFF KNEW ABOUT IT AND THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL KNEW ABOUT IT BUT THEY ABOUT IT AND THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL KNEW ABOUT IT BUT THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WORTH COUNSEL KNEW ABOUT IT BUT THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WORTH TELLING HIM.

DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WORTH TELLING HIM.

>> WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL TELLING HIM.

>> WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL THIS WEEK.

>> WHICH WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL THIS WEEK.

ALL WE WERE LEAD -- LED TO THIS WEEK.

ALL WE WERE LEAD -- LED TO BELIEVE IS THAT THE COUNSEL' -- ALL WE WERE LEAD -- LED TO BELIEVE IS THAT THE COUNSEL' -- COUNSEL'S OFFICE HAD GOTTEN A BELIEVE IS THAT THE COUNSEL' -- COUNSEL'S OFFICE HAD GOTTEN A GENERAL HEADS UP THAT SOMETHING COUNSEL'S OFFICE HAD GOTTEN A GENERAL HEADS UP THAT SOMETHING WAS COMING.

GENERAL HEADS UP THAT SOMETHING WAS COMING.

BUT WE LEARNED THEY GOT MORE WAS COMING.

BUT WE LEARNED THEY GOT MORE THAN THAT, AND SHE SHARED THAT BUT WE LEARNED THEY GOT MORE THAN THAT, AND SHE SHARED THAT WITH SENIOR OFFICIALS IN THE THAN THAT, AND SHE SHARED THAT WITH SENIOR OFFICIALS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THEY WITH SENIOR OFFICIALS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THEY COLLECTEVLY DECIDED THAT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THEY COLLECTEVLY DECIDED THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T KNOW.

COLLECTEVLY DECIDED THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T KNOW.

THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE PRESIDENT SHOULDN'T KNOW.

THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE WAS NO REASON TO TELL THE THEIR ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE WAS NO REASON TO TELL THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE UNTIL THE WAS NO REASON TO TELL THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE UNTIL THE REPORT WAS DONE AND FILED THERE PRESIDENT BECAUSE UNTIL THE REPORT WAS DONE AND FILED THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO AND IT REPORT WAS DONE AND FILED THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO AND IT MIGHT PUT HIM IN A COMPROMISING WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO AND IT MIGHT PUT HIM IN A COMPROMISING POSITION OF MAKING IT LOOK LIKE MIGHT PUT HIM IN A COMPROMISING POSITION OF MAKING IT LOOK LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO INTERFERE.

POSITION OF MAKING IT LOOK LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO INTERFERE.

A TALKED TO PEOPLE IN PREVIOUS HE WAS TRYING TO INTERFERE.

A TALKED TO PEOPLE IN PREVIOUS STRATIONS AND -- PREVIOUS A TALKED TO PEOPLE IN PREVIOUS STRATIONS AND -- PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS AND THEY SAID STRATIONS AND -- PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS AND THEY SAID DID THE WHITE HOUSE COUP OWE ADMINISTRATIONS AND THEY SAID DID THE WHITE HOUSE COUP OWE THIS TO THE PRESIDENT?

DID THE WHITE HOUSE COUP OWE THIS TO THE PRESIDENT?

THEY SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THIS TO THE PRESIDENT?

THEY SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WISE FOR DENNIS TO GO TO THE THEY SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WISE FOR DENNIS TO GO TO THE PRESIDENT QUIETLY AND SIMPLY WISE FOR DENNIS TO GO TO THE PRESIDENT QUIETLY AND SIMPLY SAY, HEADS UP, THIS IS COMING, PRESIDENT QUIETLY AND SIMPLY SAY, HEADS UP, THIS IS COMING, THERE IS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT SAY, HEADS UP, THIS IS COMING, THERE IS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT NOW BUT WE NEED TO BE READY FOR THERE IS NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT NOW BUT WE NEED TO BE READY FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING A CAUSE A NOW BUT WE NEED TO BE READY FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING A CAUSE A BIG PROBLEM.

IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING A CAUSE A BIG PROBLEM.

GWEN: BUT THEP HE WOULDN'T HAVE BIG PROBLEM.

GWEN: BUT THEP HE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PLAUSIBLE DENIABLITY OF GWEN: BUT THEP HE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PLAUSIBLE DENIABLITY OF SAYING HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE PLAUSIBLE DENIABLITY OF SAYING HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

SAYING HE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

>> I UNDER BUT ON THE OTHER IT.

>> I UNDER BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THEY MIGHT HAVE REACTED >> I UNDER BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THEY MIGHT HAVE REACTED MORE FORCEFULLY AND QUICKLY.

HAND THEY MIGHT HAVE REACTED MORE FORCEFULLY AND QUICKLY.

THEY SPENT THREE DAYS BEFORE MORE FORCEFULLY AND QUICKLY.

THEY SPENT THREE DAYS BEFORE THE PRESIDENT WENT OUT TO THEY SPENT THREE DAYS BEFORE THE PRESIDENT WENT OUT TO EXPRESS ANY DISAPPROVAL OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT WENT OUT TO EXPRESS ANY DISAPPROVAL OF WHAT HAPPENED.

EXPRESS ANY DISAPPROVAL OF WHAT HAPPENED.

>> AND IN THE MEANTIME THEY'RE HAPPENED.

>> AND IN THE MEANTIME THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE, >> AND IN THE MEANTIME THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE, THAT IS DIDN'T HAPPEN.

TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE, THAT IS DIDN'T HAPPEN.

THEY CAN'T GET THEIR STORIES THAT IS DIDN'T HAPPEN.

THEY CAN'T GET THEIR STORIES STRAIGHT.

THEY CAN'T GET THEIR STORIES STRAIGHT.

ARE THEY READY TO PLAY STRAIGHT.

ARE THEY READY TO PLAY HARDBALL?

ARE THEY READY TO PLAY HARDBALL?

>> BASED ON THIS WEEK, NO.

HARDBALL?

>> BASED ON THIS WEEK, NO.

WE HAD A STORY IN THE PAPER THE >> BASED ON THIS WEEK, NO.

WE HAD A STORY IN THE PAPER THE OTHER MORNING THAT BEGAN "THE WE HAD A STORY IN THE PAPER THE OTHER MORNING THAT BEGAN "THE WHITE HOUSE CHANGED ITS ACCOUNT OTHER MORNING THAT BEGAN "THE WHITE HOUSE CHANGED ITS ACCOUNT OF" TH WHITE HOUSE CHANGED ITS ACCOUNT OF" TH ANY TIME YOU HAVE THAT, YOU OF" TH ANY TIME YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE A BAD SITUATION.

ANY TIME YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE A BAD SITUATION.

UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK HAVE A BAD SITUATION.

UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK THEIR CRERBLET DOCTOR CORRECT UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK THEIR CRERBLET DOCTOR CORRECT IS STILL BEING QUESTIONED.

THEIR CRERBLET DOCTOR CORRECT IS STILL BEING QUESTIONED.

GWEN: THANKS, DAN.

IS STILL BEING QUESTIONED.

GWEN: THANKS, DAN.

IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE 11 MILLION GWEN: THANKS, DAN.

IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS LIVING IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS LIVING IN THE U.S. AND SEEKING A WAY UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS LIVING IN THE U.S. AND SEEKING A WAY OUT OF THE SHADOWS, THERE WAS IN THE U.S. AND SEEKING A WAY OUT OF THE SHADOWS, THERE WAS OVEMENT THIS WEEK.

OUT OF THE SHADOWS, THERE WAS OVEMENT THIS WEEK.

AFTER NA BILL, THERE OVEMENT THIS WEEK.

AFTER NA BILL, THERE AS RARE BIPARTISAN PRAISE.

AFTER NA BILL, THERE AS RARE BIPARTISAN PRAISE.

>> ALTHOUGH NEITHER REPUBLICANS AS RARE BIPARTISAN PRAISE.

>> ALTHOUGH NEITHER REPUBLICANS NOR DEMOCRATS WILL SUPPORT EACH >> ALTHOUGH NEITHER REPUBLICANS NOR DEMOCRATS WILL SUPPORT EACH AND EVERY ASPECT OF THIS NOR DEMOCRATS WILL SUPPORT EACH AND EVERY ASPECT OF THIS LEGISLATION, IT IS GRATIFYING AND EVERY ASPECT OF THIS LEGISLATION, IT IS GRATIFYING TO SEE THE MOMENTUM BEHIND THE LEGISLATION, IT IS GRATIFYING TO SEE THE MOMENTUM BEHIND THE REFORMS THAT WILL MAKE OUR TO SEE THE MOMENTUM BEHIND THE REFORMS THAT WILL MAKE OUR COUNTRY SAFER AND HELP 11 REFORMS THAT WILL MAKE OUR COUNTRY SAFER AND HELP 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMGRASP COUNTRY SAFER AND HELP 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMGRASP GET RIGHT WITH THE LAW MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMGRASP GET RIGHT WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT GET RIGHT WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT >> I THINK THE GANG OF EIGHT ENFORCEMENT >> I THINK THE GANG OF EIGHT HAS MADE A SUBSTANTIAL >> I THINK THE GANG OF EIGHT HAS MADE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION TO MOVE THE ISSUE HAS MADE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION TO MOVE THE ISSUE FORD -- FORWARD AND SO I'M CONTRIBUTION TO MOVE THE ISSUE FORD -- FORWARD AND SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO FORD -- FORWARD AND SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A BILL WE CAN PASS HERE IN HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A BILL WE CAN PASS HERE IN THE 1234589 GET A BILL WE CAN PASS HERE IN THE 1234589 GWEN: BOTH SIDES ARE KEEPING AN THE 1234589 GWEN: BOTH SIDES ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON NUMBERS LIKE THESE -- IN GWEN: BOTH SIDES ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON NUMBERS LIKE THESE -- IN A NEW "WASHINGTON POST" POLL, EYE ON NUMBERS LIKE THESE -- IN A NEW "WASHINGTON POST" POLL, 58% OF AMERICANS SAID THEY A NEW "WASHINGTON POST" POLL, 58% OF AMERICANS SAID THEY SUPPORT A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

58% OF AMERICANS SAID THEY SUPPORT A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

SO, HAVE WE TURNED A CORNER, SUPPORT A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

SO, HAVE WE TURNED A CORNER, FAWN?

SO, HAVE WE TURNED A CORNER, FAWN?

>> YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE.

FAWN?

>> YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE.

WE SAW SOME UNUSUAL BI >> YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE.

WE SAW SOME UNUSUAL BI PARTISANSHIP AMONG THE SENATE WE SAW SOME UNUSUAL BI PARTISANSHIP AMONG THE SENATE LEADERS.

PARTISANSHIP AMONG THE SENATE LEADERS.

IT'S NOT OFTEN -- OFTEN YOU SEE LEADERS.

IT'S NOT OFTEN -- OFTEN YOU SEE HARRY REID AND MITCH MCCONNELL IT'S NOT OFTEN -- OFTEN YOU SEE HARRY REID AND MITCH MCCONNELL SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE HARRY REID AND MITCH MCCONNELL SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM SAW THE MASSIVE CHEERS THAT FORWARD.

UM SAW THE MASSIVE CHEERS THAT WENT UP WHEN THEY REPORTED OUT UM SAW THE MASSIVE CHEERS THAT WENT UP WHEN THEY REPORTED OUT THE BILL THE WENT UP WHEN THEY REPORTED OUT THE BILL THE GWEN: YEAH.

THE BILL THE GWEN: YEAH.

WHEN'S THE LAST TIME PAT LEAHY GWEN: YEAH.

WHEN'S THE LAST TIME PAT LEAHY CHEERED SOMETHING?

WHEN'S THE LAST TIME PAT LEAHY CHEERED SOMETHING?

>> EXACTLY.

CHEERED SOMETHING?

>> EXACTLY.

AND AS THE MEMBERS WERE >> EXACTLY.

AND AS THE MEMBERS WERE UTTERING THEIR CLOSING REMARKS, AND AS THE MEMBERS WERE UTTERING THEIR CLOSING REMARKS, A LOT OF THEM COMPLIMENTED UTTERING THEIR CLOSING REMARKS, A LOT OF THEM COMPLIMENTED LEAHY ON HOW HE CONDUCTED THIS A LOT OF THEM COMPLIMENTED LEAHY ON HOW HE CONDUCTED THIS MARKUP.

LEAHY ON HOW HE CONDUCTED THIS MARKUP.

IT WENT ON FIVE DAYS, SOME OF MARKUP.

IT WENT ON FIVE DAYS, SOME OF THE DAYS WERE 13, 14 HOURS, IT WENT ON FIVE DAYS, SOME OF THE DAYS WERE 13, 14 HOURS, VERY LONG.

THE DAYS WERE 13, 14 HOURS, VERY LONG.

THE ADVOCATES WERE VERY VERY LONG.

THE ADVOCATES WERE VERY RESPECTFUL.

THE ADVOCATES WERE VERY RESPECTFUL.

SOME SAT IN THE ROOM WITH RESPECTFUL.

SOME SAT IN THE ROOM WITH CHILDREN FOR THE ENTIRE TIME.

SOME SAT IN THE ROOM WITH CHILDREN FOR THE ENTIRE TIME.

I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

CHILDREN FOR THE ENTIRE TIME.

I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

SO YES, THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

SO YES, THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD MOVE FORWARD FOR THE CONGRESS SO YES, THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD MOVE FORWARD FOR THE CONGRESS IN GENERAL.

MOVE FORWARD FOR THE CONGRESS IN GENERAL.

BUT IT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING.

IN GENERAL.

BUT IT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING.

AND AS MUCH OF A CORNER AS BUT IT'S ONLY THE BEGINNING.

AND AS MUCH OF A CORNER AS WE'VE TURNED THERE IS A BRICK AND AS MUCH OF A CORNER AS WE'VE TURNED THERE IS A BRICK WALL THAT CAN BE RUN INTO AT WE'VE TURNED THERE IS A BRICK WALL THAT CAN BE RUN INTO AT ANY POINT.

WALL THAT CAN BE RUN INTO AT ANY POINT.

GWEN: THERE WERE STICKING ANY POINT.

GWEN: THERE WERE STICKING POINTS ALONG THE WAY?

GWEN: THERE WERE STICKING POINTS ALONG THE WAY?

>> YEAH.

POINTS ALONG THE WAY?

>> YEAH.

SO THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT >> YEAH.

SO THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN THE MARKUP, WE'LL SO THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP IN THE MARKUP, WE'LL SEE THEM AGAIN ON THE FLOOR OF CAME UP IN THE MARKUP, WE'LL SEE THEM AGAIN ON THE FLOOR OF PRESIDENT SENATE NEXT MONTH AND SEE THEM AGAIN ON THE FLOOR OF PRESIDENT SENATE NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE'LL SEE THEM DEFINITELY PRESIDENT SENATE NEXT MONTH AND THEN WE'LL SEE THEM DEFINITELY IN THE HOUSE.

THEN WE'LL SEE THEM DEFINITELY IN THE HOUSE.

THEY INVOLVE LARGELY BORDER IN THE HOUSE.

THEY INVOLVE LARGELY BORDER SECURITY.

THEY INVOLVE LARGELY BORDER SECURITY.

THERE IS VERY LITTLE FAITH SECURITY.

THERE IS VERY LITTLE FAITH AMONG THE SKEPTICS THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE FAITH AMONG THE SKEPTICS THAT PRESIDENT PROMISES OF INCREASED AMONG THE SKEPTICS THAT PRESIDENT PROMISES OF INCREASED BORDER SECURITY ARE ACTUALLY PRESIDENT PROMISES OF INCREASED BORDER SECURITY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE KEPT AND THAT'S BORDER SECURITY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE KEPT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE SAW IN THE HOUSE GOING TO BE KEPT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE SAW IN THE HOUSE LATER IN THE WEEK WITH THE SOMETHING WE SAW IN THE HOUSE LATER IN THE WEEK WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIAL LATER IN THE WEEK WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIAL -- JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, BOB CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE JUDICIAL -- JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, BOB GOODLATTE, ASKING IF THERE WAS -- JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, BOB GOODLATTE, ASKING IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN THE BILL THAT GOODLATTE, ASKING IF THERE WAS ANYTHING IN THE BILL THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRES THEM TO DO ANYTHING IN THE BILL THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRES THEM TO DO ALL THE BILL REQUIRES.

ACTUALLY REQUIRES THEM TO DO ALL THE BILL REQUIRES.

DO THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ALL THE BILL REQUIRES.

DO THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS GET WELFARE DO THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS GET WELFARE BENETSFI OR ANY HEALTH CARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS GET WELFARE BENETSFI OR ANY HEALTH CARE BENEFITS?

BENETSFI OR ANY HEALTH CARE BENEFITS?

THAT HAS BECOME AN EXTREMELY BENEFITS?

THAT HAS BECOME AN EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL DEBATE.

THAT HAS BECOME AN EXTREMELY EMOTIONAL DEBATE.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

EMOTIONAL DEBATE.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THEP ON THE OTHER HAND THEY WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THEP ON THE OTHER HAND THEY HAVE THE GANG.

THEP ON THE OTHER HAND THEY HAVE THE GANG.

THE GANG IS PUTTING THEIR OWN HAVE THE GANG.

THE GANG IS PUTTING THEIR OWN DEAL TOGETHER.

THE GANG IS PUTTING THEIR OWN DEAL TOGETHER.

THEAF A -- THEY HAVE A DEAL, DEAL TOGETHER.

THEAF A -- THEY HAVE A DEAL, THEY DON'T HAVE A DEAL.

THEAF A -- THEY HAVE A DEAL, THEY DON'T HAVE A DEAL.

THEY HAVE A DEAL, AND THEY THEY DON'T HAVE A DEAL.

THEY HAVE A DEAL, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A DEAL.

THEY HAVE A DEAL, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A DEAL.

THERE IS A LOT TO HAVE HAPPEN DON'T HAVE A DEAL.

THERE IS A LOT TO HAVE HAPPEN BUT IT WAS STILL A VERY GOOD THERE IS A LOT TO HAVE HAPPEN BUT IT WAS STILL A VERY GOOD MOMENT FOR CONGRESS.

BUT IT WAS STILL A VERY GOOD MOMENT FOR CONGRESS.

>> TALK MORE ABOUT THE BENEFITS MOMENT FOR CONGRESS.

>> TALK MORE ABOUT THE BENEFITS PROBLEM.

>> TALK MORE ABOUT THE BENEFITS PROBLEM.

WHERE IS THAT IN THE SENATE PROBLEM.

WHERE IS THAT IN THE SENATE BILL?

WHERE IS THAT IN THE SENATE BILL?

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BILL?

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD DERAIL THE WHOLE THING?

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD DERAIL THE WHOLE THING?

>> I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID SO DERAIL THE WHOLE THING?

>> I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID SO UNTIL THIS WEEK.

>> I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID SO UNTIL THIS WEEK.

I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A ANY UNTIL THIS WEEK.

I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A ANY HURDLE FOR DERAILING THE I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A ANY HURDLE FOR DERAILING THE LEGISLATION BUT THE PROBLEM IS HURDLE FOR DERAILING THE LEGISLATION BUT THE PROBLEM IS SINCE THE PASSAGE EVER THE LEGISLATION BUT THE PROBLEM IS SINCE THE PASSAGE EVER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, IT IS A SINCE THE PASSAGE EVER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, IT IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AND THE IDEA AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, IT IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AND THE IDEA IS IN CONCEPT IF YOU ARE GOING GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AND THE IDEA IS IN CONCEPT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE A BUNCH OF THESE IS IN CONCEPT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE A BUNCH OF THESE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS LEGAL TO GIVE A BUNCH OF THESE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS LEGAL STAT URKS A GIFT, YOU -- THEY UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS LEGAL STAT URKS A GIFT, YOU -- THEY SHOULDN'T BE TAKING SOMETHING STAT URKS A GIFT, YOU -- THEY SHOULDN'T BE TAKING SOMETHING ELSE FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

SHOULDN'T BE TAKING SOMETHING ELSE FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

THE PROBLEM IS ARE YOU NOT ELSE FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

THE PROBLEM IS ARE YOU NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO GET THE PROBLEM IS ARE YOU NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO GET EMERGENCY CARE, FOR EXAMPLE?

GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO GET EMERGENCY CARE, FOR EXAMPLE?

U CAN'T DO THAT.

EMERGENCY CARE, FOR EXAMPLE?

U CAN'T DO THAT.

THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

U CAN'T DO THAT.

THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

THE NEXT QUESTION IS ARE YOU THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

THE NEXT QUESTION IS ARE YOU NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO BUY THE NEXT QUESTION IS ARE YOU NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO BUY THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE ON NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO BUY THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE ON THE EXCHANGES?

THEIR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE ON THE EXCHANGES?

AND WHAT DO THEY DO THEN?

THE EXCHANGES?

AND WHAT DO THEY DO THEN?

THEY'RE STARTING TO WORK THAT AND WHAT DO THEY DO THEN?

THEY'RE STARTING TO WORK THAT OUT.

THEY'RE STARTING TO WORK THAT OUT.

YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE OUT.

YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE PARTICULARLY AMONG THE YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE PARTICULARLY AMONG THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, PARTICULARLY AMONG THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, PROTESTING, SAYING WAIT, YOU DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, PROTESTING, SAYING WAIT, YOU ARE GOING WAY TOO FAR OUT OF PROTESTING, SAYING WAIT, YOU ARE GOING WAY TOO FAR OUT OF THE REALM OF IMMIGRATION AND ARE GOING WAY TOO FAR OUT OF THE REALM OF IMMIGRATION AND INTO THE HEALTH CARE LAW THE REALM OF IMMIGRATION AND INTO THE HEALTH CARE LAW ENFORCEMENT INTO THE HEALTH CARE LAW ENFORCEMENT >> IN THE SENATE COMMITTEE ENFORCEMENT >> IN THE SENATE COMMITTEE RIGHT UP TO THE LAST MINUTE >> IN THE SENATE COMMITTEE RIGHT UP TO THE LAST MINUTE THERE WAS SUSPENSE ABOUT A RIGHT UP TO THE LAST MINUTE THERE WAS SUSPENSE ABOUT A PROVISION WE THAT THE LEAHY THERE WAS SUSPENSE ABOUT A PROVISION WE THAT THE LEAHY MIGHT TRUCE -- INTRODUCE ABOUT PROVISION WE THAT THE LEAHY MIGHT TRUCE -- INTRODUCE ABOUT A BENEFIT FOR SAME-SEX COUPLES?

MIGHT TRUCE -- INTRODUCE ABOUT A BENEFIT FOR SAME-SEX COUPLES?

>> THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST A BENEFIT FOR SAME-SEX COUPLES?

>> THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST EMOTIONAL PART OF THE MARKUP.

>> THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST EMOTIONAL PART OF THE MARKUP.

THE CHAIRMAN HAD THIS BILL FOR EMOTIONAL PART OF THE MARKUP.

THE CHAIRMAN HAD THIS BILL FOR A LONG TIME, IT WOULD ALLOW THE CHAIRMAN HAD THIS BILL FOR A LONG TIME, IT WOULD ALLOW SAME-SEX PARTNERS TO SPONSOR A LONG TIME, IT WOULD ALLOW SAME-SEX PARTNERS TO SPONSOR THEIR PRNS.

SAME-SEX PARTNERS TO SPONSOR THEIR PRNS.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT BUT THE THEIR PRNS.

IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT BUT THE PEOPLE RESPONSING THE BILL FOR IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT BUT THE PEOPLE RESPONSING THE BILL FOR A LONG TIME HAVE SAID ALL ALONG PEOPLE RESPONSING THE BILL FOR A LONG TIME HAVE SAID ALL ALONG IT'S A DEAL BREAKER THE LEAHY A LONG TIME HAVE SAID ALL ALONG IT'S A DEAL BREAKER THE LEAHY TALKED ABOUT THE MISDEMEANOR, IT'S A DEAL BREAKER THE LEAHY TALKED ABOUT THE MISDEMEANOR, THEN HE DID NOT OFFER IT.

TALKED ABOUT THE MISDEMEANOR, THEN HE DID NOT OFFER IT.

THE OTHER DEMOCRATS ON THE THEN HE DID NOT OFFER IT.

THE OTHER DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE OFFERED THESE HUGE THE OTHER DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEE OFFERED THESE HUGE APOLOGIES TO THE GAY AND COMMITTEE OFFERED THESE HUGE APOLOGIES TO THE GAY AND LESBIAN COMMUNITIES ABOUT THIS.

APOLOGIES TO THE GAY AND LESBIAN COMMUNITIES ABOUT THIS.

BUT KEEP IN MIND WE'RE STILL LESBIAN COMMUNITIES ABOUT THIS.

BUT KEEP IN MIND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR A SUPREME COURT BUT KEEP IN MIND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR A SUPREME COURT DECISION ON THE DVES MARRIAGE WAITING FOR A SUPREME COURT DECISION ON THE DVES MARRIAGE ACT, WHICH COULD CLARIFY DECISION ON THE DVES MARRIAGE ACT, WHICH COULD CLARIFY THINGS.

ACT, WHICH COULD CLARIFY THINGS.

THE OTHER INTERESTING POINT IS THINGS.

THE OTHER INTERESTING POINT IS THAT THERE ARE ALMOST 260,000 THE OTHER INTERESTING POINT IS THAT THERE ARE ALMOST 260,000 UNDOCUMENTED GAY OR LESBIAN THAT THERE ARE ALMOST 260,000 UNDOCUMENTED GAY OR LESBIAN IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY.

UNDOCUMENTED GAY OR LESBIAN IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY.

ONE POINT THAT IMMIGRANT IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY.

ONE POINT THAT IMMIGRANT ADVOCATES ARE MAKING IS THOSE ONE POINT THAT IMMIGRANT ADVOCATES ARE MAKING IS THOSE GUYS WILL BE HELPED EXTREMELY ADVOCATES ARE MAKING IS THOSE GUYS WILL BE HELPED EXTREMELY JUST BY THE LEGALIZATION IN GUYS WILL BE HELPED EXTREMELY JUST BY THE LEGALIZATION IN THIS.

JUST BY THE LEGALIZATION IN THIS.

GWEN: AND REMEMBER, GUESS WHAT, THIS.

GWEN: AND REMEMBER, GUESS WHAT, IT STILL HAS TO GET THROUGH THE GWEN: AND REMEMBER, GUESS WHAT, IT STILL HAS TO GET THROUGH THE IT STILL HAS TO GET THROUGH THE WE'LL BE WATCHING THAT AS WELL.

WE'LL BE WATCHING THAT AS WELL.

HURRICANES, TORNADOES, SUPER STORMS, AND OIL SPILLS MAY BE HURRICANES, TORNADOES, SUPER STORMS, AND OIL SPILLS MAY BE UNPREDICTABLE, BUT WASHINGTON'S STORMS, AND OIL SPILLS MAY BE UNPREDICTABLE, BUT WASHINGTON'S RESPONSE ALMOST ALWAYS IS.

UNPREDICTABLE, BUT WASHINGTON'S RESPONSE ALMOST ALWAYS IS.

THE PRESIDENT WILL VISIT MOORE, RESPONSE ALMOST ALWAYS IS.

THE PRESIDENT WILL VISIT MOORE, OKLAHOMA, THIS WEEKEND, WHILE THE PRESIDENT WILL VISIT MOORE, OKLAHOMA, THIS WEEKEND, WHILE SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DEBATE OKLAHOMA, THIS WEEKEND, WHILE SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DEBATE THE LIMITS OF DISASTER RELIEF.

SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DEBATE THE LIMITS OF DISASTER RELIEF.

USING LAST YEAR'S NEW JERSEY THE LIMITS OF DISASTER RELIEF.

USING LAST YEAR'S NEW JERSEY AND NEW YORK DISASTER AS AN USING LAST YEAR'S NEW JERSEY AND NEW YORK DISASTER AS AN EXAMPLE, OKLAHOMA SENATOR TOM AND NEW YORK DISASTER AS AN EXAMPLE, OKLAHOMA SENATOR TOM COBURN PUT IT THIS WAY.

EXAMPLE, OKLAHOMA SENATOR TOM COBURN PUT IT THIS WAY.

>> THE SANDY SUPPLEMENTAL HAD COBURN PUT IT THIS WAY.

>> THE SANDY SUPPLEMENTAL HAD $40 BILLION WORTH OF MONEY >> THE SANDY SUPPLEMENTAL HAD $40 BILLION WORTH OF MONEY THAT'S GOING TO GET SPENT THAT $40 BILLION WORTH OF MONEY THAT'S GOING TO GET SPENT THAT WASN'T AN EMERGENCY, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO GET SPENT THAT WASN'T AN EMERGENCY, THAT'S GOING TO GET SPENT TWO TO FIVE WASN'T AN EMERGENCY, THAT'S GOING TO GET SPENT TWO TO FIVE EARS FROM NOW.

GOING TO GET SPENT TWO TO FIVE EARS FROM NOW.

TWS A POLITICIAN'S CHRISTMAS EARS FROM NOW.

TWS A POLITICIAN'S CHRISTMAS TREE TO DO THINGS.

TWS A POLITICIAN'S CHRISTMAS TREE TO DO THINGS.

IT WAS A STIMULUS BUILT TREE TO DO THINGS.

IT WAS A STIMULUS BUILT GWEN: NOBODY WANTS NOT A IT WAS A STIMULUS BUILT GWEN: NOBODY WANTS NOT A POLITICIAN'S CHRISTMAS TREE.

GWEN: NOBODY WANTS NOT A POLITICIAN'S CHRISTMAS TREE.

BUT WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE A POLITICIAN'S CHRISTMAS TREE.

BUT WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE A CHRISTMAS TREE?

BUT WHY CAN'T THEY HAVE A CHRISTMAS TREE?

ANYWAY, CHUCK, WHY DID THIS CHRISTMAS TREE?

ANYWAY, CHUCK, WHY DID THIS BECOME A NOOBLE ANYWAY, CHUCK, WHY DID THIS BECOME A NOOBLE >> THE FIELD WAS SET FOUR YEARS BECOME A NOOBLE >> THE FIELD WAS SET FOUR YEARS AGO REALLY WITH THE BIRTH OF >> THE FIELD WAS SET FOUR YEARS AGO REALLY WITH THE BIRTH OF THE TEA PARTY AND AN INTENSE, AGO REALLY WITH THE BIRTH OF THE TEA PARTY AND AN INTENSE, SUSTAINED FOCUS IN CONGRESS ON THE TEA PARTY AND AN INTENSE, SUSTAINED FOCUS IN CONGRESS ON DEFICIT SPENDING THE SO YOU HAD SUSTAINED FOCUS IN CONGRESS ON DEFICIT SPENDING THE SO YOU HAD A LOT MORE CONSERVATIVES DEFICIT SPENDING THE SO YOU HAD A LOT MORE CONSERVATIVES ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE THAT -- A LOT MORE CONSERVATIVES ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE THAT -- WHO MADE AN ISSUE OVER AND ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE THAT -- WHO MADE AN ISSUE OVER AND OVER, ALL TYPES OF THINGS, ARE WHO MADE AN ISSUE OVER AND OVER, ALL TYPES OF THINGS, ARE WE GOING TO KEEP DOING THINGS OVER, ALL TYPES OF THINGS, ARE WE GOING TO KEEP DOING THINGS ON THE GOVERNMENT CREDIT CARD WE GOING TO KEEP DOING THINGS ON THE GOVERNMENT CREDIT CARD OR PAY FOR THOSE -- THESE ON THE GOVERNMENT CREDIT CARD OR PAY FOR THOSE -- THESE THINGS?

OR PAY FOR THOSE -- THESE THINGS?

THEN OCTOBER LAST YEAR SUPER THINGS?

THEN OCTOBER LAST YEAR SUPER STORM SANDY HIT THE EAST COAST, THEN OCTOBER LAST YEAR SUPER STORM SANDY HIT THE EAST COAST, DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STORM SANDY HIT THE EAST COAST, DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE.

DID A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE.

THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE AND DAMAGE.

THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE AND UNDERSTANDABLE CALL FOR GOVERNM.

THERE WAS AN IMMEDIATE AND UNDERSTANDABLE CALL FOR GOVERNM.

IN THE PAST, GWEN, THESE THINGS UNDERSTANDABLE CALL FOR GOVERNM.

IN THE PAST, GWEN, THESE THINGS USUALLY WEREN'T THAT IN THE PAST, GWEN, THESE THINGS USUALLY WEREN'T THAT CONTROVERSIAL.

USUALLY WEREN'T THAT CONTROVERSIAL.

IF THEY NEEDED TO APPROPRIATE CONTROVERSIAL.

IF THEY NEEDED TO APPROPRIATE MORE MONEY, YOU JUST DID IT, IF THEY NEEDED TO APPROPRIATE MORE MONEY, YOU JUST DID IT, PUT IT ON THE DOIFERS.

MORE MONEY, YOU JUST DID IT, PUT IT ON THE DOIFERS.

THIS TIME A LOT OF PUT IT ON THE DOIFERS.

THIS TIME A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES SAID NO, WE NEED THIS TIME A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES SAID NO, WE NEED TO STOP DOING THIS AND THEY CONSERVATIVES SAID NO, WE NEED TO STOP DOING THIS AND THEY WERE BOTHERED BY OTHER THINGS.

TO STOP DOING THIS AND THEY WERE BOTHERED BY OTHER THINGS.

GWEN: INCLUDING CONSERVATIVES WERE BOTHERED BY OTHER THINGS.

GWEN: INCLUDING CONSERVATIVES FROM OKLAHOMA?

GWEN: INCLUDING CONSERVATIVES FROM OKLAHOMA?

>> EXACTLY THAT BECAME A HUGE FROM OKLAHOMA?

>> EXACTLY THAT BECAME A HUGE ISSUE AND AFTER A LOT OF >> EXACTLY THAT BECAME A HUGE ISSUE AND AFTER A LOT OF WRANGLING AND BITTER FEELINGS ISSUE AND AFTER A LOT OF WRANGLING AND BITTER FEELINGS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WRANGLING AND BITTER FEELINGS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE SANDY BILL COBURN YOU WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE SANDY BILL COBURN YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS PASSED IN THE SANDY BILL COBURN YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS PASSED IN JANUARY.

TALKED ABOUT WAS PASSED IN JANUARY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE EAST JANUARY.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE EAST COAST FELT IT WAS TOO LATE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE EAST COAST FELT IT WAS TOO LATE.

NOW WE HAVE THE OKLAHOMA COAST FELT IT WAS TOO LATE.

NOW WE HAVE THE OKLAHOMA DISASTER REKINDLING THIS NOW WE HAVE THE OKLAHOMA DISASTER REKINDLING THIS DEBATE.

DISASTER REKINDLING THIS DEBATE.

>> HOW DIVIDE ARE REPUBLICANS DEBATE.

>> HOW DIVIDE ARE REPUBLICANS OVER THIS IN >> HOW DIVIDE ARE REPUBLICANS OVER THIS IN >> THEY ARE DIVIDE.

OVER THIS IN >> THEY ARE DIVIDE.

YOU HAD THIS VERY BITTER >> THEY ARE DIVIDE.

YOU HAD THIS VERY BITTER DIVISION OVER SANDY BECAUSE YOU HAD THIS VERY BITTER DIVISION OVER SANDY BECAUSE THERE ARE BELIEVE IT OR NOT DIVISION OVER SANDY BECAUSE THERE ARE BELIEVE IT OR NOT SOME REPUBLICANS IN THE THERE ARE BELIEVE IT OR NOT SOME REPUBLICANS IN THE NORTHEAST.

SOME REPUBLICANS IN THE NORTHEAST.

PETER KING WAS THE MEAN -- MAIN NORTHEAST.

PETER KING WAS THE MEAN -- MAIN ONE THE AND GOVERNOR CHRISTI PETER KING WAS THE MEAN -- MAIN ONE THE AND GOVERNOR CHRISTI GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION, GOOD OR ONE THE AND GOVERNOR CHRISTI GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION, GOOD OR BAD FOR HOW -- ACCEPTING THE GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION, GOOD OR BAD FOR HOW -- ACCEPTING THE HELP FROM OBAMA.

BAD FOR HOW -- ACCEPTING THE HELP FROM OBAMA.

AND I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO HELP FROM OBAMA.

AND I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON THE IT'S AND I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON THE IT'S SPLIT GEOGRAPHICALLY WHEN THE GO AWAY ANY TIME SOON THE IT'S SPLIT GEOGRAPHICALLY WHEN THE STORMS COME IN BUT A LOT OF SPLIT GEOGRAPHICALLY WHEN THE STORMS COME IN BUT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE NOW ON THE STORMS COME IN BUT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE NOW ON THE RECORD AS BEING AGAINST FUNDING REPUBLICANS ARE NOW ON THE RECORD AS BEING AGAINST FUNDING THESE WITHOUT FINDING CUTS RECORD AS BEING AGAINST FUNDING THESE WITHOUT FINDING CUTS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THESE WITHOUT FINDING CUTS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

GWEN: THE DEMOCRATS?

SOMEWHERE ELSE.

GWEN: THE DEMOCRATS?

CAN THEY RIDE IT OUT IN GWEN: THE DEMOCRATS?

CAN THEY RIDE IT OUT IN >> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO CAN THEY RIDE IT OUT IN >> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.

>> THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THIS.

THEY SAY LOOK, THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

THEY SAY LOOK, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TRADITION IN CONGRESS AND THEY SAY LOOK, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TRADITION IN CONGRESS AND IT'S A PROPER TRADITION THE BUT LONG TRADITION IN CONGRESS AND IT'S A PROPER TRADITION THE BUT YOU LOOK AT OKLAHOMA, A VERY IT'S A PROPER TRADITION THE BUT YOU LOOK AT OKLAHOMA, A VERY CONSERVATIVE STATE ARKS --, AND YOU LOOK AT OKLAHOMA, A VERY CONSERVATIVE STATE ARKS --, AND CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR AND CHRIS CONSERVATIVE STATE ARKS --, AND CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR AND CHRIS CHRISTY IS WELCOMING THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR AND CHRIS CHRISTY IS WELCOMING THE FEDERAL AID -- CHRISTY IS WELCOMING THE FEDERAL AID -- GWEN: OKLAHOMA IS MARY FALIN?

FEDERAL AID -- GWEN: OKLAHOMA IS MARY FALIN?

>> AND THE DEMOCRATS SAY THERE GWEN: OKLAHOMA IS MARY FALIN?

>> AND THE DEMOCRATS SAY THERE YOU GO, YOU REPUBLICANS >> AND THE DEMOCRATS SAY THERE YOU GO, YOU REPUBLICANS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SPENDING, YOU GO, YOU REPUBLICANS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SPENDING, BUT WHEN YOU FLEED IT YOU WANT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SPENDING, BUT WHEN YOU FLEED IT YOU WANT IT AND DON'T MAKE APOLOGIES.

BUT WHEN YOU FLEED IT YOU WANT IT AND DON'T MAKE APOLOGIES.

>> ALTHOUGH GIVE CREDIT TO IT AND DON'T MAKE APOLOGIES.

>> ALTHOUGH GIVE CREDIT TO SENATOR COBURN WHO HAS AGAINST >> ALTHOUGH GIVE CREDIT TO SENATOR COBURN WHO HAS AGAINST IT ON SANDE AND IS AGAINST IT SENATOR COBURN WHO HAS AGAINST IT ON SANDE AND IS AGAINST IT FOR HIS OWN 125EU789 BUT OTHER IT ON SANDE AND IS AGAINST IT FOR HIS OWN 125EU789 BUT OTHER TRADITIONS HAVE GONE BY THE FOR HIS OWN 125EU789 BUT OTHER TRADITIONS HAVE GONE BY THE BOARD.

TRADITIONS HAVE GONE BY THE BOARD.

>> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, USED TO BOARD.

>> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, USED TO BE THEY WOULD RAISE THE DEBT >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, USED TO BE THEY WOULD RAISE THE DEBT CEILING WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BE THEY WOULD RAISE THE DEBT CEILING WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF FUSSING BACK AND FORTH BUT CEILING WITH MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF FUSSING BACK AND FORTH BUT IT USED TO BE AN EXPECTED OF FUSSING BACK AND FORTH BUT IT USED TO BE AN EXPECTED THING.

IT USED TO BE AN EXPECTED THING.

THE MINORITY PARTY USED TO VOTE THING.

THE MINORITY PARTY USED TO VOTE TO CONFIRM THE PRESIDENT'S THE MINORITY PARTY USED TO VOTE TO CONFIRM THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINEES TO ALL KINDS OF TO CONFIRM THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINEES TO ALL KINDS OF CABINET LEVEL POSITIONS AND NOMINEES TO ALL KINDS OF CABINET LEVEL POSITIONS AND SUPREME COURT.

CABINET LEVEL POSITIONS AND SUPREME COURT.

WE'RE SEEING THESE TYPES OF SUPREME COURT.

WE'RE SEEING THESE TYPES OF BES -- BIPARTISAN TRADITIONS WE'RE SEEING THESE TYPES OF BES -- BIPARTISAN TRADITIONS FALL BY THE WAYSIDE TIME AND BES -- BIPARTISAN TRADITIONS FALL BY THE WAYSIDE TIME AND AGAIN AND I DON'T SEE HOW WE FALL BY THE WAYSIDE TIME AND AGAIN AND I DON'T SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO BE THE AGAIN AND I DON'T SEE HOW WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO BE THE MORE FRIENDLY, BIPARTISAN KIND ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO BE THE MORE FRIENDLY, BIPARTISAN KIND OF CONGRESS THE MORE FRIENDLY, BIPARTISAN KIND OF CONGRESS THE GWEN: IF PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING OF CONGRESS THE GWEN: IF PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING THAT MIGHT BE THE TOUCHSTONE GWEN: IF PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING THAT MIGHT BE THE TOUCHSTONE THE ALSO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THAT MIGHT BE THE TOUCHSTONE THE ALSO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE ALSO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SEQUESTRATION.

GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SEQUESTRATION.

>> WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE SEQUESTRATION.

>> WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE DEBATES OVER AND OVER.

>> WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE DEBATES OVER AND OVER.

GWEN: YEAH.

DEBATES OVER AND OVER.

GWEN: YEAH.

WELL, THANKS, EVERYONE.

GWEN: YEAH.

WELL, THANKS, EVERYONE.

BEFORE WE GO TONIGHT, WE HAVE WELL, THANKS, EVERYONE.

BEFORE WE GO TONIGHT, WE HAVE SAD NEWS TO SHARE.

BEFORE WE GO TONIGHT, WE HAVE SAD NEWS TO SHARE.

WE'VE LOST A MEMBER OF THE SAD NEWS TO SHARE.

WE'VE LOST A MEMBER OF THE "WASHINGTON WEEK" FAMILY.

WE'VE LOST A MEMBER OF THE "WASHINGTON WEEK" FAMILY.

HAYNES JOHNSON, A LONG-TIME "WASHINGTON WEEK" FAMILY.

HAYNES JOHNSON, A LONG-TIME PANELIST AND RETIRED COLUMNIST HAYNES JOHNSON, A LONG-TIME PANELIST AND RETIRED COLUMNIST FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST," PANELIST AND RETIRED COLUMNIST FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST," ASSED AWAY THIS MORNING.

FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST," ASSED AWAY THIS MORNING.

HAYNES WAS A PULITZER PRIZE ASSED AWAY THIS MORNING.

HAYNES WAS A PULITZER PRIZE WINN, A ERBEST-SELLING AUTHOR, HAYNES WAS A PULITZER PRIZE WINN, A ERBEST-SELLING AUTHOR, A TEACHER, AND OUR FRIEND.

WINN, A ERBEST-SELLING AUTHOR, A TEACHER, AND OUR FRIEND.

HERE, DURING A 1989 "WASHINGTON A TEACHER, AND OUR FRIEND.

HERE, DURING A 1989 "WASHINGTON WEEK" APPEARANCE, HE DROPS A HERE, DURING A 1989 "WASHINGTON WEEK" APPEARANCE, HE DROPS A BIT OF PRESCIENT KNOWLEDGE WEEK" APPEARANCE, HE DROPS A BIT OF PRESCIENT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW THE WORLD WOULD COME BIT OF PRESCIENT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW THE WORLD WOULD COME TO VIEW RONALD REAGAN.

ABOUT HOW THE WORLD WOULD COME TO VIEW RONALD REAGAN.

>> I THINK REAGAN AS HE RECEDES TO VIEW RONALD REAGAN.

>> I THINK REAGAN AS HE RECEDES WILL BE SEEN AS BOTH A MUCH >> I THINK REAGAN AS HE RECEDES WILL BE SEEN AS BOTH A MUCH STRONGER PRESIDENT AND A WILL BE SEEN AS BOTH A MUCH STRONGER PRESIDENT AND A PRESIDENT IN WHICH THERE ARE STRONGER PRESIDENT AND A PRESIDENT IN WHICH THERE ARE MANY MORE CONSEQUENCES TO COME PRESIDENT IN WHICH THERE ARE MANY MORE CONSEQUENCES TO COME FROM.

MANY MORE CONSEQUENCES TO COME FROM.

THE DEBTS YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE FROM.

THE DEBTS YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE IDEA THAT YOU'VE MADE AMERICA THE DEBTS YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE IDEA THAT YOU'VE MADE AMERICA FEEL BETTER BUT THERE ARE IDEA THAT YOU'VE MADE AMERICA FEEL BETTER BUT THERE ARE ENORMOUS DEBTS TO BE PAID YET FEEL BETTER BUT THERE ARE ENORMOUS DEBTS TO BE PAID YET TO COME.

ENORMOUS DEBTS TO BE PAID YET TO COME.

THE COUNTRY UNPREPARED MAYBE TO TO COME.

THE COUNTRY UNPREPARED MAYBE TO DEEL WITH THE EDUCATION, THE THE COUNTRY UNPREPARED MAYBE TO DEEL WITH THE EDUCATION, THE ENVIRONMENT, ALL OF THESE, DEEL WITH THE EDUCATION, THE ENVIRONMENT, ALL OF THESE, THEY'VE BEEN POSTPONED AND ENVIRONMENT, ALL OF THESE, THEY'VE BEEN POSTPONED AND THEY'RE COMING UP VERY MUCH IN THEY'VE BEEN POSTPONED AND THEY'RE COMING UP VERY MUCH IN THE 1990'S.

THEY'RE COMING UP VERY MUCH IN THE 1990'S.

GWEN: AS USUAL, HE WAS THE 1990'S.

GWEN: AS USUAL, HE WAS COMPLETELY RIGHT.

GWEN: AS USUAL, HE WAS COMPLETELY RIGHT.

STHKS, HAYNES.

COMPLETELY RIGHT.

STHKS, HAYNES.

AND OUR CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO STHKS, HAYNES.

AND OUR CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO HIS WIFE, KATHRYN.

AND OUR CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO HIS WIFE, KATHRYN.

STAY TUNED ON PLINE FOR MORE OF HIS WIFE, KATHRYN.

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OUR RESP T SERVED.

HAVE AN OBSERVANT MEMORIAL DAY.

SERVED.

HAVE AN OBSERVANT MEMORIAL DAY.

GOOD NIGHT THE -- GOOD NIGHT.