GWEN: THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TALKING AND DOING WHEN IT COMES TALKING AND DOING WHEN IT COMES TO TERRORISM, IMMIGRATION AND TO TERRORISM, IMMIGRATION AND PRESIDENT.

PRESIDENT.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

HAVE AOF US HAVE AOF US RESPONSIBILITY TO REFUTE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO REFUTE THE NOTION THAT GROUPS LIKE ISIL NOTION THAT GROUPS LIKE ISIL REPRESENT ISLAM BECAUSE REPRESENT ISLAM BECAUSE THAT IS A FALSEHOOD THAT THAT IS A FALSEHOOD THAT EMBRACESERRORIST EMBRACESERRORIST NARRATIVE.

NARRATIVE.

TERRORISMR AGAINST TERRORISMR AGAINST DEVOLVED INTO A WAR OF DEVOLVED INTO A WAR OF ANIMAL LOVERS.

ANIMAL LOVERS.

THESE AREN'T ENVIRONMENTAL THESE AREN'T ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES.

ADVOCATES.

IS ABOUT SOIS WAR IS ABOUT SOIS WAR MUCH MORE THAN BOOTS ON THE MUCH MORE THAN BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

GROUND.

PRESIDENT'SEDERAL J PRESIDENT'SEDERAL J IMMIGRATION REFORM PLAN, IMMIGRATION REFORM PLAN, DELAYING ACTION IN 26 STATES.

DELAYING ACTION IN 26 STATES.

CANNOT FAIL OUR FELLOW CANNOT FAIL OUR FELLOW TEXANS.

TEXANS.

WE MUST DO WHAT FAILED TO DO.

WE MUST DO WHAT FAILED TO DO.

OUR BORDER.

OUR BORDER.

PRESIDENTJEB BUSH STEPS INTO TF PRESIDENTJEB BUSH STEPS INTO TF HE WOULD BE.

HE WOULD BE.

>> EACH PRESIDENT LEARNS FROM >> EACH PRESIDENT LEARNS FROM BEFORE -- THEIR BEFORE -- THEIR PRINCIPLES, THEIR ADJUSTMENTS.

PRINCIPLES, THEIR ADJUSTMENTS.

THIS, EVERY KNOW IS THIS, EVERY KNOW IS PRESIDENT INHERITS A CHANGING PRESIDENT INHERITS A CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES.

CIRCUMSTANCES.

GWEN: CAN HE ESCAPE THE SHADOWS GWEN: CAN HE ESCAPE THE SHADOWS CAST BY HIS FATHER AND HIS CAST BY HIS FATHER AND HIS BROTHER?

BROTHER?

COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL CROWLEY, SENIOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS CROWLEY, SENIOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS POLITICO,ENT FOR POLITICO,ENT FOR NANCY YOUSSEF, SENIOR NATIONAL NANCY YOUSSEF, SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE SECURITY CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE DAILY BEAST,"STICE CORRESPONDENC DAILY BEAST,"STICE CORRESPONDENC JOHN DICKERSON, CHIEF JOHN DICKERSON, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AND POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT AND POLITICAL DIRECTOR FOR "SLATE" POLITICAL DIRECTOR FOR "SLATE" AND CBS NEWSNG AND AND CBS NEWSNG AND ANALYSIS.

ANALYSIS.

COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS.

COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS.

CAPITOL, OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, OUR NATION'S THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.

TERROR BEGAN EARLY ON SATURDAY COPENHAGEN.GS IN COPENHAGEN.GS IN IT TOOK A HORRIFIC TURN THE NEXT IT TOOK A HORRIFIC TURN THE NEXT DAY WITH THE RELEASE OF A VIDEO DAY WITH THE RELEASE OF A VIDEO OF 21G THE BEHEADINGS OF 21G THE BEHEADINGS EGYPTIAN COPTIC CHRISTIANS AND EGYPTIAN COPTIC CHRISTIANS AND THEN WITHIN 24 HOURS, ARMED THEN WITHIN 24 HOURS, ARMED REAT REAT WHAT BETTER TIME, THEN, FOR A WHAT BETTER TIME, THEN, FOR A WHITE HOUSE SUMMIT ON EXTREMISM, WHITE HOUSE SUMMIT ON EXTREMISM, ALBEIT ONE THAT DEMONSTRATED HOW ALBEIT ONE THAT DEMONSTRATED HOW DEGRADING ISIS IS MORE DEGRADING ISIS IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT SEEMS.

COMPLICATED THAN IT SEEMS.

PROBLEM, AS THE PRESIDENT PROBLEM, AS THE PRESIDENT SEES IT, IS THAT THE TERRORISTS SEES IT, IS THAT THE TERRORISTS ALSO KNOWN ALSO KNOWN ARE DESPERATE FOR LEGITIMACY.

ARE DESPERATE FOR LEGITIMACY.

>> THEY TRY TO PORTRAY >> THEY TRY TO PORTRAY LEADERS,S AS RELIGIOUS LEADERS,S AS RELIGIOUS HOLY WARRIORS IN DEFENSE OF HOLY WARRIORS IN DEFENSE OF ISLAM.

ISLAM.

THAT'S ISIL PRUMES TO THAT'S ISIL PRUMES TO ITSELF THE ISLAMIC ITSELF THE ISLAMIC STATE.

STATE.

WE MUST NEVER ACCEPT THE PREMISE WE MUST NEVER ACCEPT THE PREMISE PUT FORWARD BECAUSE IT PUT FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS A LIE.

IS A LIE.

THE: THE PROBLEM, AS THE: THE PROBLEM, AS PRESIDENT'S CRITICS SEE IT, IS PRESIDENT'S CRITICS SEE IT, IS THAT THE WHITE HOUSE REFUSES TO THAT THE WHITE HOUSE REFUSES TO THE LABEL "ISLAMIC THE LABEL "ISLAMIC TERRORISM" AND THEREIN LIES PART TERRORISM" AND THEREIN LIES PART AS TO WHY THETION AS TO WHY THETION CHALLENGE IS SO MULTILAYERED, CHALLENGE IS SO MULTILAYERED, MICHAEL.

MICHAEL.

>> IT REALLY IS.

>> IT REALLY IS.

THE PRESIDENT IS STICKING TO HIS THE PRESIDENT IS STICKING TO HIS GUNS ON THIS ONE.

GUNS ON THIS ONE.

IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE BACK IN IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE BACK IN WASEMBER THE WHITE HOUSE WASEMBER THE WHITE HOUSE CRITICIZED FOR NOT SAYING WE CRITICIZED FOR NOT SAYING WE WERE AT WAR WITH ISIS AND THEY WERE AT WAR WITH ISIS AND THEY FIGHT WANT THAT POLITICAL FIGHT WANT THAT POLITICAL AND STEPPED BACK AND SAID, WE'RE AND STEPPED BACK AND SAID, WE'RE AT WAR, THIS IS NOT A FIGHT WE AT WAR, THIS IS NOT A FIGHT WE WANT TO HAVE.

WANT TO HAVE.

THE PRESIDENT THE PRESIDENT STUCK TO HIS GUNS.

STUCK TO HIS GUNS.

I THINK HE BELIEVES STRONGLY NOT I THINK HE BELIEVES STRONGLY NOT LANGUAGE PEOPLE WANT LANGUAGE PEOPLE WANT HIM TO USE AND STICK WITH HIM TO USE AND STICK WITH GENERIC LANGUAGE.

GENERIC LANGUAGE.

ISIS THEON'T GIVE ISIS THEON'T GIVE FIGHT THAT IT WANTS.

FIGHT THAT IT WANTS.

CALIPH WANTSLAIMED CALIPH WANTSLAIMED TO APPEAR TO BE LEADING MUSLIMS TO APPEAR TO BE LEADING MUSLIMS APOCALYPTIC WAR AGAINST APOCALYPTIC WAR AGAINST THE WEST AND CHRISTIANITY AND THE WEST AND CHRISTIANITY AND OBAMA DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY ON OBAMA DOESN'T WANT TO PLAY ON THOSE TERMS, DOESN'T WANT TO THOSE TERMS, DOESN'T WANT TO ENHANCE HIS STANDING AND ACCEPT ENHANCE HIS STANDING AND ACCEPT HIS FRAME.

HIS FRAME.

THE OTHER IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE THE OTHER IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THE PERCEPTION IN THE MUSLIM WORLD PERCEPTION IN THE MUSLIM WORLD THAT THERE IS SOME DEGREE OF THAT THERE IS SOME DEGREE OF ANTI-MUSLIM ANIMUS IN THE UNITED ANTI-MUSLIM ANIMUS IN THE UNITED STATES, THAT IS THERE IS SOME STATES, THAT IS THERE IS SOME WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS AND WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS AND THAT AMERICA CARES LESS ABOUT THAT AMERICA CARES LESS ABOUT TO BOMBIVES, IS QUICKER TO BOMBIVES, IS QUICKER MUSLIM COUNTRIES.

MUSLIM COUNTRIES.

I THINK THAT'S A SENSITIVITY.

I THINK THAT'S A SENSITIVITY.

THE THIRD, I THINK THE PRESIDENT THE THIRD, I THINK THE PRESIDENT BELIEVES SOMETHING BELIEVES SOMETHING THAT IS STATISTICALLY TRUE WHICH THAT IS STATISTICALLY TRUE WHICH IS THAT TERRORISM AND VIOLENT IS THAT TERRORISM AND VIOLENT EXTREMISM IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT EXTREMISM IN THIS COUNTRY IS NOT PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM.

PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM.

WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF TERROR WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF TERROR BY PEOPLE OF ALL BY PEOPLE OF ALL STRIPES.

STRIPES.

YOU HAVE CHRISTIAN RADICALS, YOU HAVE CHRISTIAN RADICALS, OBSCURE AGENDAS.

OBSCURE AGENDAS.

A GUY WHO FLEW A SMALL PLANE A GUY WHO FLEW A SMALL PLANE INTO A BUILDING I THINK IN INTO A BUILDING I THINK IN ARIZONA SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

ARIZONA SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

SO A LOT OF THIS EXTREMISM THAT SO A LOT OF THIS EXTREMISM THAT WE WANT TO TARGET PEOPLE WHO MAY WE WANT TO TARGET PEOPLE WHO MAY BE STARTING TO LOSE IT, PEOPLE BE STARTING TO LOSE IT, PEOPLE WHO WE WANT COMMUNITIES TO BE WHO WE WANT COMMUNITIES TO BE KEEPING AN EYE ON, ARE NOT KEEPING AN EYE ON, ARE NOT MUSLIM.ILY MUSLIM.ILY GWEN: NANCY, AT THIS EXTREMELY GWEN: NANCY, AT THIS EXTREMELY SUMMIT AT THE WHITE HOUSE THIS SUMMIT AT THE WHITE HOUSE THIS THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES OF COUNTRIES FROM ALL OVER THE OF COUNTRIES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.

WORLD.

THISID THEY ADDRESS THISID THEY ADDRESS PROBLEM?

PROBLEM?

>> IN THE REGION, THE TERM >> IN THE REGION, THE TERM THE ARABIC IS DASH, THE ARABIC IS DASH, ACRONYM FOR ISLAMIC STATE.

ACRONYM FOR ISLAMIC STATE.

PEOPLE IN THE SUMMIT WERE PEOPLE IN THE SUMMIT WERE ASKING FOR A MORE NUANCED ASKING FOR A MORE NUANCED DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION.

HEAR A LOTON, YOU'LL HEAR A LOTON, YOU'LL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INTERPRETATION OF ISLAM SO IT'S INTERPRETATION OF ISLAM SO IT'S INTERESTING THE KIND OF DIALOGUE INTERESTING THE KIND OF DIALOGUE HAPPENING IN THE REGION.

HAPPENING IN THE REGION.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NAME OR IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NAME OR EXTREMIST NOT IT'S EXTREMIST NOT IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A MUSLIM DOMINATED BECAUSE IT'S A MUSLIM DOMINATED SOCIETY BUT HOW AND WHO CAN SOCIETY BUT HOW AND WHO CAN INTERPRET THE FAITH.

INTERPRET THE FAITH.

SAW THIS WITH THE KILLING OF SAW THIS WITH THE KILLING OF THE JORDANNIAN PILOT WHEN KING THE JORDANNIAN PILOT WHEN KING ABDULLAH CAME OUT AND SAID HE ABDULLAH CAME OUT AND SAID HE WAS DEFENDING ISLAM, NOT THE WAS DEFENDING ISLAM, NOT THE TERRORISTS.

TERRORISTS.

THIS WITH THE PRESIDENT THIS WITH THE PRESIDENT OF EGYPT WHEN HE SAID WE NEED TO OF EGYPT WHEN HE SAID WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO RECLAIM COME UP WITH A WAY TO RECLAIM FAITH.

FAITH.

SO IT'S INTERESTING, HERE WE SO IT'S INTERESTING, HERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE AND TALKED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE AND THERE THEY'RE REALLY TALKING THERE THEY'RE REALLY TALKING THE RELIGION AND WHO CAN THE RELIGION AND WHO CAN CLAIM TO OWN ITS MESSAGE.

CLAIM TO OWN ITS MESSAGE.

MICHAEL, THIS DEBATE IN THE MICHAEL, THIS DEBATE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WAS KIND OF TAKEN WHITE HOUSE WAS KIND OF TAKEN QUESTIONHE SEMANTICS QUESTIONHE SEMANTICS BUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS MEETING?

ACCOMPLISHED WITH THIS MEETING?

>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

QUESTION.

VERY LITTLE.

VERY LITTLE.

I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE BIG I DON'T THINK YOU'LL SEE BIG POLICY CHANGES COMING OUT OF IT.

POLICY CHANGES COMING OUT OF IT.

THE SUMMIT, THERE WAS THE SUMMIT, THERE WAS SOME REPORTING ABOUT HOW THE SOME REPORTING ABOUT HOW THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS INCREASING STATE DEPARTMENT IS INCREASING MEDIAFORTS AT SOCIAL MEDIAFORTS AT SOCIAL OUTREACH AND TRYING TO PROMOTE OUTREACH AND TRYING TO PROMOTE MODERATE MESSAGES AND THAT IS MODERATE MESSAGES AND THAT IS WORTHY AND IMPORTANT WORTHY AND IMPORTANT MISSION BUT THE DOLLAR FIGURES MISSION BUT THE DOLLAR FIGURES ARE TRIVIAL AND WHAT YOU'RE ARE TRIVIAL AND WHAT YOU'RE ISKING ABOUT IS TWEETING ISKING ABOUT IS TWEETING SENDING LINKS AROUND.

SENDING LINKS AROUND.

GWEN: WHICH IS NOT THE HEART OF GWEN: WHICH IS NOT THE HEART OF THE PROBLEM.

THE PROBLEM.

>> IT'S NOT THE HEART OF THE >> IT'S NOT THE HEART OF THE PROBLEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET PROBLEM AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET MODERATE PREACHERS WITHIN THE MODERATE PREACHERS WITHIN THE MUSLIM WORLD TO PROMOTE A MORE MUSLIM WORLD TO PROMOTE A MORE WHICH CAN WORKE WHICH CAN WORKE TO SOME DEGREE BUT YOU'LL HEAR TO SOME DEGREE BUT YOU'LL HEAR THAT SOME THAT THAT SOME THAT ARE LIKELY DOING THATTHAT ARE LIKELY DOING THATTHAT GROUPS LIKE ISIS ARE FIGHTING.

GROUPS LIKE ISIS ARE FIGHTING.

>> NANCY, HOW IS ISIS MILITARILY >> NANCY, HOW IS ISIS MILITARILY DOING?

DOING?

IT SEEMS THEY'RE MAKING GAINS IN IT SEEMS THEY'RE MAKING GAINS IN IRAQ?

IRAQ?

>> WE HEARD FROM THE PENTAGON >> WE HEARD FROM THE PENTAGON THEM INN TO GO AFTER THEM INN TO GO AFTER MOSUL, IRAQ'S SECOND BIGGEST MOSUL, IRAQ'S SECOND BIGGEST CITY, THE PLACE WHERE THE CITY, THE PLACE WHERE THE COALITION WAS BORN AFTER ISIS COALITION WAS BORN AFTER ISIS IN AND TAKE THE IN AND TAKE THE CITY ON JUNE 10 OF LAST YEAR.

CITY ON JUNE 10 OF LAST YEAR.

THE PENTAGON SAID THIS WEEK IT THE PENTAGON SAID THIS WEEK IT WOULD TAKE 25,000 IRAQI AND WOULD TAKE 25,000 IRAQI AND 2,000H TROOPS TO TAKE ON 2,000H TROOPS TO TAKE ON ISLAMIC STATE FIGHTERS IN A CITY ISLAMIC STATE FIGHTERS IN A CITY W THEY'RE DEEPLY W THEY'RE DEEPLY ENTRENCHED, IN WHICH THEY OWN ENTRENCHED, IN WHICH THEY OWN MOST OF THE LAND, THEY'VE MOST OF THE LAND, THEY'VE LITERALLY GOT TRENCHES AND LITERALLY GOT TRENCHES AND TAXES FORTHEY CHARGE TAXES FORTHEY CHARGE RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE SECURITY RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE SECURITY SO IT WILL BE THE MOST SO IT WILL BE THE MOST CHALLENGING BATTLE TO RECLAIM CHALLENGING BATTLE TO RECLAIM COUNTRY FROM THE ISLAMIC COUNTRY FROM THE ISLAMIC STATE.

STATE.

>> QUICKLY ASK, NORMALLY THE >> QUICKLY ASK, NORMALLY THE PENTAGON LIKES THE ELEMENT OF PENTAGON LIKES THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE.

SURPRISE.

WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT THIS WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT THIS IN ADVANCE?

IN ADVANCE?

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT >> THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WEEK.ES THIS WEEK.ES THIS ONE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T RELEASE ONE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T RELEASE ANYTHING TACTICAL.

ANYTHING TACTICAL.

THE OTHER IS THAT THEY WANT TO THE OTHER IS THAT THEY WANT TO LET ISIS KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO LET ISIS KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO FACE A THREAT.

FACE A THREAT.

THE THIRD THEORY IS THAT THEY THE THIRD THEORY IS THAT THEY IRAQI ARMYOLSTER THE IRAQI ARMYOLSTER THE AND IRAQI GOVERNMENT AND AND IRAQI GOVERNMENT AND ENCOURAGE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW ENCOURAGE THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THEY WERE BACKED BY THE UNITED THEY WERE BACKED BY THE UNITED STATES AND THAT THEY WERE GOING STATES AND THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO IN AND FIGHT AND THIS TO GO IN AND FIGHT AND THIS WOULD BE A NATIONAL EFFORT TO WOULD BE A NATIONAL EFFORT TO CITY.M THE CITY.M THE HINGS I FOUND HINGS I FOUND INTERESTING ABOUT THE DEBATE INTERESTING ABOUT THE DEBATE ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY AND ALSO ABOUT THE TERMINOLOGY AND ALSO THE CONFERENCE, MICHAEL, THE CONFERENCE, MICHAEL, WAS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO WAS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONVENTIONALAGE OF CONVENTIONALAGE OF WARFARE IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL WAR WARFARE IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL WAR AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AT THE ROOT AND THAT SEEMS TO BE AT THE ROOT OF A LOT OF THE LAYERS OF OF A LOT OF THE LAYERS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW COMPLICATED AND IDEA OF DEGRADING AND IDEA OF DEGRADING DEFEATING ISIS IS.

DEFEATING ISIS IS.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.

DEPUTY STATE DEPARTMENT DEPUTY STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESWOMAN GOT IN TROUBLE OR SPOKESWOMAN GOT IN TROUBLE OR CAUSED CONTROVERSY EARLIER THIS CAUSED CONTROVERSY EARLIER THIS YOU CAN'TSHE SAID YOU CAN'TSHE SAID KILL YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS KILL YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS PROBLEM, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP PROBLEM, WE CAN'T JUST KEEP SUGGESTEDEM AND SHE SUGGESTEDEM AND SHE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER MEASURES WERE REALLY OTHER MEASURES WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO SOLVING THE IMPORTANT TO SOLVING THE LONG-TERM PROBLEM.

LONG-TERM PROBLEM.

IS WHAT WE HEARD IS WHAT WE HEARD SUSAN RICE AND OTHER PEOPLE AND SUSAN RICE AND OTHER PEOPLE AND THE PRESIDENT GETTING TO, AS THE PRESIDENT GETTING TO, AS WELL.

WELL.

THAT WAS ALSO A THAT WAS ALSO A POSITION OF GEORGE W. BUSH AND POSITION OF GEORGE W. BUSH AND OTHERS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION.

OTHERS IN HIS ADMINISTRATION.

CRAZY THING TO SAY.

CRAZY THING TO SAY.

IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE MOST IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE MOST TO FRAME IT BUT TO FRAME IT BUT IT GOES TO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS IT GOES TO THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED CONFLICT.

A VERY COMPLICATED CONFLICT.

BATTLEFIELDIMPLE BATTLEFIELDIMPLE BUTE WE MAY RECAPTURE MOSUL BUTE WE MAY RECAPTURE MOSUL THERE ARE SO MANY ELEMENTS TO IT THERE ARE SO MANY ELEMENTS TO IT AND IT MAKES FOR A COMPLICATED AND IT MAKES FOR A COMPLICATED WILLE AND OF COURSE PEOPLE WILLE AND OF COURSE PEOPLE GET TRIPPED UP IN SEMANTICS AND GET TRIPPED UP IN SEMANTICS AND WE'LL HAVE PARTISAN CONTROVERSY.

WE'LL HAVE PARTISAN CONTROVERSY.

IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THEY TRIED TO RENAME SUICIDE THEY TRIED TO RENAME SUICIDE AS HOMICIDE BOMBING.

AS HOMICIDE BOMBING.

THAT DIDN'T STICK, EITHER.

THAT DIDN'T STICK, EITHER.

MICHAEL, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW MICHAEL, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THE MAP OF THE FIGHT IS CHANGING THE MAP OF THE FIGHT IS CHANGING AND DIFFERENT.

AND DIFFERENT.

WAS THERE TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC WAS THERE TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC U.S.

TERRORISM OR LONE WOLVES U.S.

TERRORISM OR LONE WOLVES SHOWING UP IN THE UNITED STATES?

SHOWING UP IN THE UNITED STATES?

>> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, TO ME, >> I ACTUALLY THINK THAT, TO ME, SLIGHTLY MORE PRACTICALLY SLIGHTLY MORE PRACTICALLY ADDRESSABLE PROBLEMHE GLOBAL PRO ADDRESSABLE PROBLEMHE GLOBAL PRO VAST BUT HERE AT HOME, WHAT CAN VAST BUT HERE AT HOME, WHAT CAN AND INTEGRATE ITS LAW AND INTEGRATE ITS LAW EFFORTS IN EFFORTS IN COMMUNITIES THEY THINK ARE COMMUNITIES THEY THINK ARE VULNERABLE TO THIS KIND OF VULNERABLE TO THIS KIND OF SORUITMENT BUT IT'S SORUITMENT BUT IT'S SENSITIVE AND DIFFICULT.

SENSITIVE AND DIFFICULT.

WE THINK ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE WE THINK ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE ATTACKED BY CONSERVATIVES ON THE ATTACKED BY CONSERVATIVES ON THE NOT USINGSAY YOU'RE NOT USINGSAY YOU'RE THE RIGHT LANGUAGE.

THE RIGHT LANGUAGE.

THERE'S A LOT OF B THERE'S A LOT OF B CIVIL LIBERTIES GROUPS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES GROUPS AND MUSLIM GROUPS IN THE UNITED MUSLIM GROUPS IN THE UNITED STATES SAYING YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY STATES SAYING YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO CREATE NEW FORMS OF TRYING TO CREATE NEW FORMS OF SURVEILLANCE AND INFILTRATE OUR SURVEILLANCE AND INFILTRATE OUR GUISE OFES UNDER THE GUISE OFES UNDER THE OUTREACH BUT YOU'RE TARGETING OUTREACH BUT YOU'RE TARGETING SO IT GETSLING US SO IT GETSLING US COMPLICATED VERY FAST.

COMPLICATED VERY FAST.

GWEN: IN THE REGION, ESPECIALLY GWEN: IN THE REGION, ESPECIALLY BEHEADINGS THAT BEHEADINGS THAT HAPPENED IN LIBYA, ALONG THE HAPPENED IN LIBYA, ALONG THE MEDITERRANEAN COAST, A STONE'S MEDITERRANEAN COAST, A STONE'S THROW FROM ITALY, HAS THIS THROW FROM ITALY, HAS THIS RADICALIZED OR GOT THE ATTENTION RADICALIZED OR GOT THE ATTENTION THISUNTRIES WHO THOUGHT THISUNTRIES WHO THOUGHT WASN'T THEIR PROBLEM?

WASN'T THEIR PROBLEM?

>> IT'S INTERESTING, IN THIS >> IT'S INTERESTING, IN THIS THAT WEREAS EGYPTIANS THAT WEREAS EGYPTIANS KILLED AND BEFORE THIS, EGYPT KILLED AND BEFORE THIS, EGYPT WASN'T OFFICIALLY PART OF THE WASN'T OFFICIALLY PART OF THE COALITION AND THEIR COALITION AND THEIR ARGUMENT WAS, WE DON'T NEED TO ARGUMENT WAS, WE DON'T NEED TO IN IRAQE ISLAMIC STATE IN IRAQE ISLAMIC STATE AND SYRIA, WE HAVE THE ISLAMIC AND SYRIA, WE HAVE THE ISLAMIC STATE IN THE SINAI, THE EAST AND STATE IN THE SINAI, THE EAST AND AND FRANKLY, U.S.A., WE AND FRANKLY, U.S.A., WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT FIGHT NEED YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT FIGHT AND THE U.S. HAS BEEN HESITANT AND THE U.S. HAS BEEN HESITANT SO WHAT IT REALLY EXPOSED IS THE SO WHAT IT REALLY EXPOSED IS THE DEBATE OF WHAT DEFINES THE DEBATE OF WHAT DEFINES THE ISLAMIC STATE.

ISLAMIC STATE.

SAY THEED STATES WILL SAY THEED STATES WILL ISLAMIC STATE IS NOT IN LIBYA ISLAMIC STATE IS NOT IN LIBYA BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST GROUPS BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST GROUPS TAKING THE NAME AND INSPIRED BY TAKING THE NAME AND INSPIRED BY AND AREN'T NECESSARILY AND AREN'T NECESSARILY MEMBERS BUT -- MEMBERS BUT -- GWEN: IS THAT A DIFFERENCE GWEN: IS THAT A DIFFERENCE WITHOUT A DISTINCTION?

WITHOUT A DISTINCTION?

BOKO HARAM IS NOT TECHNICALLY BOKO HARAM IS NOT TECHNICALLY THE ISLAMIC STATE BUT IS THE ISLAMIC STATE BUT IS BLOODY KINDTHE SAME BLOODY KINDTHE SAME OF WAY.

OF WAY.

>> WHAT CONSTITUTES A CALIPHATE >> WHAT CONSTITUTES A CALIPHATE THE JEEPTION SAY THE JEEPTION SAY THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE -- THE THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE -- THE EGYPTIAN SAY THERE'S NO EGYPTIAN SAY THERE'S NO WE SAW THE U.S. WE SAW THE U.S. ASITANCE TO SAY THIS WAS ASITANCE TO SAY THIS WAS STRIKE AGAINST LIBYA.

STRIKE AGAINST LIBYA.

THE U.S. SAYING WE NEED A THE U.S. SAYING WE NEED A STABILIZESOLUTION TO STABILIZESOLUTION TO LIBYA, NOT OUTSIDE STATES LIBYA, NOT OUTSIDE STATES INTERVENING AND THE EGYPTIANS INTERVENING AND THE EGYPTIANS ARE SAYING WE CANNOT JUST LET IT ARE SAYING WE CANNOT JUST LET IT GO.

GO.

IT'S FASCINATING, THE PUSH-PULL.

IT'S FASCINATING, THE PUSH-PULL.

ON ONE HAND WE WANT A DIPLOMATIC ON ONE HAND WE WANT A DIPLOMATIC DEMOCRACYND LEVERS OF DEMOCRACYND LEVERS OF AND AT THE SAME TIME, IRAQ AND AND AT THE SAME TIME, IRAQ AND MEANS.USING MILITARY MEANS.USING MILITARY GWEN: IS THERE A DIPLOMATIC GWEN: IS THERE A DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION FOR HOW THE GLOBAL SOLUTION FOR HOW THE GLOBAL BE HANDLINGOULD BE HANDLINGOULD THIS?

THIS?

>> THERE'S A POLITICAL CONCEPT >> THERE'S A POLITICAL CONCEPT THAT THE PRESIDENT ARTICULATED.

THAT THE PRESIDENT ARTICULATED.

HE ESSENTIALLY SAID ONE OF THE HE ESSENTIALLY SAID ONE OF THE KEY LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS HERE IS KEY LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS HERE IS DEMOCRACY, POLITICAL FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY, POLITICAL FREEDOM, THAT WHEN YOU HAVE REPRESSION, THAT WHEN YOU HAVE REPRESSION, RADICALISM FESTERS.

RADICALISM FESTERS.

AND IT'S INTERESTING AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHOOL OF BECAUSE THERE'S A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT THAT SAYS ACTUALLY WHAT THOUGHT THAT SAYS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU NEED IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS YOU NEED IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS STRONG M LIKE STRONG M LIKE THEM BUT PEOPLE ARE NOSTALGIC THEM BUT PEOPLE ARE NOSTALGIC FOR GADDAFI AND SADDAM.

FOR GADDAFI AND SADDAM.

BUT THE PRESIDENT REALLY BUT THE PRESIDENT REALLY REINFORCED THAT MESSAGE THAT REINFORCED THAT MESSAGE THAT NOT THE ANSWER BECAUSE NOT THE ANSWER BECAUSE THAT CAN STABILIZE IN THE SHORT THAT CAN STABILIZE IN THE SHORT TERM BUT IN THE LONG TERM TERM BUT IN THE LONG TERM RESENTMENT AND RESENTMENT AND RADICALISM.

RADICALISM.

GWEN: THANK YOU BOTH.

GWEN: THANK YOU BOTH.

NOW TO THE COURTS.

NOW TO THE COURTS.

JUDGE IN TEXAS SET THE JUDGE IN TEXAS SET THE STAGE THIS WEEK FOR THE NEXT STAGE THIS WEEK FOR THE NEXT CHALLENGE TO THE PRESIDENT'S CHALLENGE TO THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE POWER.

EXECUTIVE POWER.

HAND, MR. OBAMA'S HAND, MR. OBAMA'S DECISION TO EXPAND PROTECTIONS DECISION TO EXPAND PROTECTIONS UNDOCUMENTEDOF UNDOCUMENTEDOF IMMIGRANTS.

IMMIGRANTS.

THE TECHNIQUE, ARGUING AGAINST THE TECHNIQUE, ARGUING AGAINST THE ADMINISTRATIVE UNDERPINNING THE ADMINISTRATIVE UNDERPINNING THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN.

THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN.

THE RESULT, A DELAY FOR THE THE RESULT, A DELAY FOR THE PROGRAM THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO PROGRAM THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO WEEK.ECT THIS WEEK.ECT THIS PETE, WHAT WAS THE JUDGE'S PETE, WHAT WAS THE JUDGE'S REASONING?

REASONING?

>> HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WENT >> HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WENT TOO THAT IT WAS MAKING THE TOO THAT IT WAS MAKING THE LAW INSTEAD OF APPLYING IT.

LAW INSTEAD OF APPLYING IT.

THE ADMINISTRATION'S ARGUMENT THE ADMINISTRATION'S ARGUMENT THAT IT WAS MERELY THAT IT WAS MERELY SETTING ENFORCEMENT PRIORITIES, SETTING ENFORCEMENT PRIORITIES, THAT IT WAS LETTING THESE THAT IT WAS LETTING THESE ADULTS STAY IF THEY ADULTS STAY IF THEY HAD CHILDREN WHO WERE IN THE HAD CHILDREN WHO WERE IN THE UNITED STATES LEGALLY, BUT WHAT UNITED STATES LEGALLY, BUT WHAT JUDGE SAID -- AND THEY SAID, JUDGE SAID -- AND THEY SAID, BY THE WAY, THEY HAD TO DO THIS BY THE WAY, THEY HAD TO DO THIS LIMITEDTHEY HAVE LIMITEDTHEY HAVE RESOURCES AND THEY WANTED TO RESOURCES AND THEY WANTED TO WERE THEPEOPLE WHO WERE THEPEOPLE WHO BIGGEST CONCERNS, CRIMINALS OR BIGGEST CONCERNS, CRIMINALS OR TERRORISTS.

TERRORISTS.

THE GOVERNMENT THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T TURNING ITS BACK ON PEOPLE ISN'T TURNING ITS BACK ON PEOPLE AFFIRMATIVELY AFFIRMATIVELY REACHING OUT TO THEM, SAYING YOU REACHING OUT TO THEM, SAYING YOU WILL NOT BE DEPORTED FOR THE WILL NOT BE DEPORTED FOR THE THEMTHREE YEARS, ALLOWING THEMTHREE YEARS, ALLOWING TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, ALLOWING THEM TO GET WORK ALLOWING THEM TO GET WORK PERMITS AND THAT CHANGES THEIR PERMITS AND THAT CHANGES THEIR STATUS.

STATUS.

THE ADMINISTRATION'S OPPONENTS THE ADMINISTRATION'S OPPONENTS HAD CLAIMED THIS IS HAD CLAIMED THIS IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THE THEYDENT WENT TOO FAR AND THEYDENT WENT TOO FAR AND HOPED THE JUDGE WOULD BASE HIS HOPED THE JUDGE WOULD BASE HIS RULING ON THAT BUT HE DIDN'T GO RULING ON THAT BUT HE DIDN'T GO THAT FAR.

THAT FAR.

STAYID THE REASON HE PUT A STAYID THE REASON HE PUT A ON IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A RULE ON IT IS BECAUSE IT'S A RULE CHANGE AND WHEN YOU CHANGE CHANGE AND WHEN YOU CHANGE TO SEEK PUBLIC TO SEEK PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOTICE FOR COMMENT, COMMENT AND NOTICE FOR COMMENT, VERY MUCH A TECHNICALITY.

VERY MUCH A TECHNICALITY.

AND THAT IS WHY HE PUT IT ON AND THAT IS WHY HE PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL THE WHOLE CASE IS HOLD UNTIL THE WHOLE CASE IS WORKED OUT.

WORKED OUT.

GWEN: I THOUGHT THE WHITE HOUSE GWEN: I THOUGHT THE WHITE HOUSE WAS CASUAL IN THEIR REACTION TO WAS CASUAL IN THEIR REACTION TO THIS.

THIS.

THIS ANDNG TO APPEAL THIS ANDNG TO APPEAL WE SAW THIS COMING BECAUSE OF WE SAW THIS COMING BECAUSE OF WHO THIS JUDGE IS.

WHO THIS JUDGE IS.

>> THERE IS SOMETHING TO THAT.

>> THERE IS SOMETHING TO THAT.

DID SEEM A LITTLE BIT OF DID SEEM A LITTLE BIT OF FORUM SHOPPING AND GOING TO A FORUM SHOPPING AND GOING TO A JUDGE WHO IS IN SOUTHHAS HAD ITH JUDGE WHO IS IN SOUTHHAS HAD ITH IMMIGRATION PROBLEMS AND I DON'T IMMIGRATION PROBLEMS AND I DON'T THEY THEY WERE SURPRISED THEY THEY WERE SURPRISED GOT THIS RULING OUT OF HIM AND GOT THIS RULING OUT OF HIM AND KNEW WHATEVER WASED BY ONE KNEW WHATEVER WASED BY ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER ANYWAY.

SIDE OR THE OTHER ANYWAY.

FORUM IS DOING THE FORUM IS DOING THE SHOPPING?

SHOPPING?

>> THERE WERE 26 STATES WHO >> THERE WERE 26 STATES WHO FILED THIS LAWSUIT.

FILED THIS LAWSUIT.

INTERESTINGLY, THE JUDGE SAID INTERESTINGLY, THE JUDGE SAID ONLY ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY HAVE ONLY ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY HAVE BRINGANDING, THE RIGHT TO BRINGANDING, THE RIGHT TO THIS LAWSUIT AND THAT WAS TEXAS.

THIS LAWSUIT AND THAT WAS TEXAS.

BASICALLY THAT THE BASICALLY THAT THE PROBLEM FOR TEXAS IS THEY WILL PROBLEM FOR TEXAS IS THEY WILL BE ISSUING DRIVER'S LICENSES TO BE ISSUING DRIVER'S LICENSES TO THATHESE NEW PEOPLE AND THATHESE NEW PEOPLE AND COSTS TEXAS A LOT OF MONEY.

COSTS TEXAS A LOT OF MONEY.

GWEN: SO THIS RULING IS NARROWER GWEN: SO THIS RULING IS NARROWER LOOKED?

LOOKED?

>> YES.

>> YES.

HE SAID MAYBE THE OTHER STATES HE SAID MAYBE THE OTHER STATES HAVE STANDING, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE STANDING, I'M NOT GOING TO GET TO THAT.

GET TO THAT.

THAT FOR SURE TEXAS THAT FOR SURE TEXAS HAS STANDINGUE.

HAS STANDINGUE.

THE RULING.BASIS OF THE RULING.BASIS OF >> YOU DESCRIBED A LOT OF LEGAL >> YOU DESCRIBED A LOT OF LEGAL TWISTS AND TURNS.

TWISTS AND TURNS.

WHAT DOES THIS THINK THINGS STAD WHAT DOES THIS THINK THINGS STAD IN TERMS OF THE APPEAL?

IN TERMS OF THE APPEAL?

>> I WOULD SAY THE NEXT FEW DAYS >> I WOULD SAY THE NEXT FEW DAYS WILL GO TO THE WILL GO TO THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS IN LOUISIANA AND ASK FOR AN IN LOUISIANA AND ASK FOR AN ON THE JUDGE'S ON THE JUDGE'S RULING SO IT'S A BLOCK OF THE RULING SO IT'S A BLOCK OF THE BLOCK.

BLOCK.

THE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE LAW THE THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE LAW EFFECT.

INTO EFFECT.

INTO IT WAS JUST THIS PAST WEEK WHEN IT WAS JUST THIS PAST WEEK WHEN REGISTERING START REGISTERING START FOR THE PROGRAM AND THE FOR THE PROGRAM AND THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO GET THIS ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO GET THIS GOING.

GOING.

GWEN: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE GWEN: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

TALKING ABOUT?

POTENTIALLY THREE OR FOUR POTENTIALLY THREE OR FOUR MILLION PEOPLE THIS COULD MILLION PEOPLE THIS COULD POTENTIALLY COVER AND LITTLE POTENTIALLY COVER AND LITTLE NOTICED, THE OTHER PART OF THE NOTICED, THE OTHER PART OF THE JUDGE'S RULING WAS OTHER PART OF JUDGE'S RULING WAS OTHER PART OF IMMIGRATION PROGRAM, IMMIGRATION PROGRAM, EXPANDING THE ORIGINAL DREAM ACT EXPANDING THE ORIGINAL DREAM ACT COVER MORE PEOPLE.

COVER MORE PEOPLE.

THE JUDGE PUT A HOLD ON THAT AND THE JUDGE PUT A HOLD ON THAT AND THERE WERE ALSO APPLICATIONS FOR THERE WERE ALSO APPLICATIONS FOR WANTS TOHE GOVERNMENT WANTS TOHE GOVERNMENT GET THAT GOING AGAIN AND HOPE GET THAT GOING AGAIN AND HOPE THEY CAN GET THE FIFTH CIRCUIT THEY CAN GET THE FIFTH CIRCUIT LET THIS GO ON WHILE LET THIS GO ON WHILE THE LEGAL FIGHT CONTINUES.

THE LEGAL FIGHT CONTINUES.

>> IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS AMONG >> IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS AMONG CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS AND CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLARS AND LEGAL GEEKS ABOUT HOW SOLID THIS LEGAL GEEKS ABOUT HOW SOLID THIS RULING IS?

RULING IS?

THE HOLES ARE THEY MIGHT THE HOLES ARE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO POKE?

BE ABLE TO POKE?

LEGAL SCHOLARS HAVE BEEN LEGAL SCHOLARS HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE OPINION.

CRITICAL OF THE OPINION.

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF IMMIGRATION LAW AND THE IMMIGRATION LAW AND THE LAW HAS BEENF THE LAW HAS BEENF THE THE PROVINCE OF THE FEDERAL THE PROVINCE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATES REALLY GOVERNMENT AND THE STATES REALLY OR'T HAVE MUCH WHEREWITHAL OR'T HAVE MUCH WHEREWITHAL LEGAL RIGHT TO CHALLENGE IT.

LEGAL RIGHT TO CHALLENGE IT.

IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LIKE STATES IT WOULD BE A LITTLE LIKE STATES GOING TO COURT TO CHALLENGE THE GOING TO COURT TO CHALLENGE THE ADMINISTRATION'S FOREIGN POLICY.

ADMINISTRATION'S FOREIGN POLICY.

SO THAT IS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM SO THAT IS A POTENTIAL PROBLEM THEORYD THEN THIS WHOLE THEORYD THEN THIS WHOLE ABOUT THE NOTICE AND COMMENT ABOUT THE NOTICE AND COMMENT ROCK SOLID,OT BE ROCK SOLID,OT BE EITHER.

EITHER.

GWEN: DOES IT INADVERTENTLY GWEN: DOES IT INADVERTENTLY BROADERTHE BASIS FOR A BROADERTHE BASIS FOR A CHALLENGE FOR THE PRESIDENT'S CHALLENGE FOR THE PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ACTION WHICH IS REALLY EXECUTIVE ACTION WHICH IS REALLY WHAT HIS CRITICS AND WHAT HIS CRITICS AND CONSERVATIVE SCHOLARS WANT TO CONSERVATIVE SCHOLARS WANT TO DO?

DO?

>> THIS FIGHT THIS WEEK WAS JUST >> THIS FIGHT THIS WEEK WAS JUST ABOUT AN INJUNCTION.

ABOUT AN INJUNCTION.

THE LAWSUIT ITSELF, THE THE LAWSUIT ITSELF, THE STRAIGHT-UP ATTACK ON THE STRAIGHT-UP ATTACK ON THE PRESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONABILITY, PRESIDENT'S CONSTITUTIONABILITY, IS STILL PENDING.

IS STILL PENDING.

SO THE JUDGE HAS YET TO RULE ON SO THE JUDGE HAS YET TO RULE ON THAT.

THAT.

LET'S FACE IT, THERE WILL BE LET'S FACE IT, THERE WILL BE AND THISSUITS AND THISSUITS EVENTUALLY WILL REACH THE EVENTUALLY WILL REACH THE SUPREME COURT.

SUPREME COURT.

GWEN: THANKS, PETE.

GWEN: THANKS, PETE.

THERE ARE MANY STICKY QUESTIONS THERE ARE MANY STICKY QUESTIONS ANSWERED BEFORE THE 2016 ANSWERED BEFORE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST GETS INTO PRESIDENTIAL CONTEST GETS INTO SCOTTWING, LIKE WHAT DOES SCOTTWING, LIKE WHAT DOES WALKER REALLY THINK ABOUT RUDY WALKER REALLY THINK ABOUT RUDY GIULIANI?

GIULIANI?

OR HOW WILL THE DEMOCRATS MANAGE OR HOW WILL THE DEMOCRATS MANAGE BILL CLINTON?

BILL CLINTON?

WHAT DOES BARBARA BUSH REALLY WHAT DOES BARBARA BUSH REALLY THINK ABOUT JEB?

THINK ABOUT JEB?

SATFORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR SATFORMER FLORIDA GOVERNOR TO TACKLE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE TO TACKLE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE HISTIONS THIS HISTIONS THIS FIRST BIG PRE-CAMPAIGN FOREIGN FIRST BIG PRE-CAMPAIGN FOREIGN POLICY SPEECH.

POLICY SPEECH.

LOVEST FOR THE LOVE MY BROTHERI LOVEST FOR THE LOVE MY BROTHERI MY DAD, AND I ADMIRE THEIR MY DAD, AND I ADMIRE THEIR SERVICE TO THE NATION AND THE SERVICE TO THE NATION AND THE DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT THEY DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT THEY HAD TO MAKE.

HAD TO MAKE.

BUT I'M MY OWN MAN AND MY VIEWS BUT I'M MY OWN MAN AND MY VIEWS ARE SHAPED BY MY OWN THINKING ARE SHAPED BY MY OWN THINKING OWN EXPERIENCES.

OWN EXPERIENCES.

GWEN: CLEARLY THIS DECLARATION GWEN: CLEARLY THIS DECLARATION HAPPENED FOR A REASON.

HAPPENED FOR A REASON.

WHAT IT WAS, JOHN?

WHAT IT WAS, JOHN?

>> I LIFE MY BROTHER AND MY DAD, >> I LIFE MY BROTHER AND MY DAD, MINE, AS WELL.

MINE, AS WELL.

>> USUALLY IN POLITICS WHEN YOU >> USUALLY IN POLITICS WHEN YOU HAVE TO DECLARE YOU'RE YOUR OWN HAVE TO DECLARE YOU'RE YOUR OWN A PROBLEM BECAUSE A PROBLEM BECAUSE A PUPPET STRINGS BUTHERE'S A PUPPET STRINGS BUTHERE'S IN THIS CASE HIS FATHER AND IN THIS CASE HIS FATHER AND BROTHER WERE PRESIDENTS AND HE'S BROTHER WERE PRESIDENTS AND HE'S TRYING TO RUSH OUT FROM UNDER TRYING TO RUSH OUT FROM UNDER SHADOWS.

SHADOWS.

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IS PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH IS STILL NOT POPULAR AND THE IRAQ STILL NOT POPULAR AND THE IRAQ WAR WITH WHICH HE'S ASSOCIATED WAR WITH WHICH HE'S ASSOCIATED IS UNPOPULAR.

IS UNPOPULAR.

THINKEOPLE DON'T WANT TO THINKEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PEOPLE ARE SKATING INTO THE PEOPLE ARE SKATING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE ON A FAMOUS NAME AND WHITE HOUSE ON A FAMOUS NAME AND JEB BUSH WANTS TO RATTLE PEOPLE JEB BUSH WANTS TO RATTLE PEOPLE AND SAY, PAY ATTENTION, BECAUSE AND SAY, PAY ATTENTION, BECAUSE IN THE END PEOPLE GET EXCITED IN THE END PEOPLE GET EXCITED ABOUT IDEAS AND A MESSAGE.

ABOUT IDEAS AND A MESSAGE.

IF LINE, THERE'S NOTHING FOR IF LINE, THERE'S NOTHING FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR HOOKS IN SO THEM TO PUT THEIR HOOKS IN SO THEM, AWAKEN THEM, SAY, THEM, AWAKEN THEM, SAY, I'M MY OWN MAN, LISTEN TO ME.

I'M MY OWN MAN, LISTEN TO ME.

GWEN: DOES HILLARY CLINTON HAVE GWEN: DOES HILLARY CLINTON HAVE DO THE SAME THING IN A DO THE SAME THING IN A DIFFERENT WAY?

DIFFERENT WAY?

IF PEOPLE ARE TRULY -- WHAT IF PEOPLE ARE TRULY -- WHAT THAT PEOPLE HERE IS THAT PEOPLE HERE IS ARE EXHAUSTED BY THE DYNASTIC ARE EXHAUSTED BY THE DYNASTIC NATURE OF THIS CAMPAIGN?

NATURE OF THIS CAMPAIGN?

HAS A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS.

HAS A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS.

SHE HAS THE SHADOW OF HER SHE HAS THE SHADOW OF HER HUSBAND SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH AND HUSBAND SHE HAS TO DEAL WITH AND ATTACHMENT TO THE ATTACHMENT TO THE EXISTING WHITE HOUSE WHICH HAS EXISTING WHITE HOUSE WHICH HAS ITS OWN COMPLEXITY, PARTICULARLY ITS OWN COMPLEXITY, PARTICULARLY HAS A LOT OFLICY, HAS A LOT OFLICY, COMPLEXITY BECAUSE SHE HAS TO COMPLEXITY BECAUSE SHE HAS TO ANSWER FOR A COMPLICATED WORLD ANSWER FOR A COMPLICATED WORLD HEARD FROM JEB BUSH HEARD FROM JEB BUSH IN THIS SPEECH WAS, A LOT OF IN THIS SPEECH WAS, A LOT OF CLARITY.

CLARITY.

STRONG.NEEDS TO BE STRONG.NEEDS TO BE THE IT NEEDS TO DO WHAT IT SAYS, THE IT NEEDS TO DO WHAT IT SAYS, IT NEEDS STRONG ALLIANCES, IT IT NEEDS STRONG ALLIANCES, IT NEEDS A STRONG ECONOMY WITH 4% NEEDS A STRONG ECONOMY WITH 4% GROWTH THAT HANDLES ENTITLEMENTS GROWTH THAT HANDLES ENTITLEMENTS HANDLES DEFENSE AND HANDLES DEFENSE AND RESEARCH.

RESEARCH.

THIS SPEECH HAD EVERYTHING FOR THIS SPEECH HAD EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE IN IT AND IF YOU EVERYONE IN IT AND IF YOU CAMPAIGN, REPUBLICANS IN THE CAMPAIGN, REPUBLICANS IN THE POLLS, PEOPLE THINK REPUBLICANS POLLS, PEOPLE THINK REPUBLICANS POLICYDLE FOREIGN POLICYDLE FOREIGN BETTER.

BETTER.

IF YOU SAY I CAN SOLVE THE IF YOU SAY I CAN SOLVE THE WORLD, HILLARY CLINTON IS STUCK WORLD, HILLARY CLINTON IS STUCK WITH THE MESSY WORLD THAT SHE WITH THE MESSY WORLD THAT SHE WAS A PART OF TRYING TO FIX AS WAS A PART OF TRYING TO FIX AS SECRETARY OF STATE.

SECRETARY OF STATE.

>> HOW IS HE DIFFERENT FROM HIS >> HOW IS HE DIFFERENT FROM HIS BROTHER?

BROTHER?

SPEECH, ON THIS SPEECH, ON THIS INDISTINGUISHABLE, BECAUSE THE INDISTINGUISHABLE, BECAUSE THE SPEECH WAS A VERY VAGUE SPEECH.

SPEECH WAS A VERY VAGUE SPEECH.

A CAMPAIGN.

IN A CAMPAIGN.

IN HE'S NOT GOING TO LAY OUT HIS HE'S NOT GOING TO LAY OUT HIS FIVE-POINT PLAN.

FIVE-POINT PLAN.

PRINCIPLESBOUT SOME PRINCIPLESBOUT SOME BUT THEY WERE GENERALLY BUT THEY WERE GENERALLY SOMETHING EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE SOMETHING EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEECH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPEECH, IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM HIS IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM HIS BROTHER, HIS FATHER AND BROTHER, HIS FATHER AND BASICALLY MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN BASICALLY MAINSTREAM REPUBLICAN AMERICA NEEDS TO AMERICA NEEDS TO BE STRONG.

BE STRONG.

ALTHOUGH HE DID TALK ABOUT ALTHOUGH HE DID TALK ABOUT PATIENCE WHICH ARE PATIENCE WHICH ARE WORDS BARACK OBAMA USES WITH WORDS BARACK OBAMA USES WITH RESPECT TO FOREIGN POLICY AND RESPECT TO FOREIGN POLICY AND WHICH HE'S USUALLY WHICH HE'S USUALLY PILLARIED.

PILLARIED.

THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS.

THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS.

ADVISERS HE ADVISERS HE MENTIONED -- THIGH PUT -- THEY MENTIONED -- THIGH PUT -- THEY OF ADVISERS THAT OF ADVISERS THAT HE'S TALKING TO ABOUT FOREIGN HE'S TALKING TO ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY.

POLICY.

>> FORMER BUSH PEOPLE, RIGHT?

>> FORMER BUSH PEOPLE, RIGHT?

MORE FAMILIAR WITH MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE BUSHES THAN THE GARDENERS AT THE BUSHES THAN THE GARDENERS AT VERSAILLES.

VERSAILLES.

GWEN: WHO ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO GWEN: WHO ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO SELECT FROM?

SELECT FROM?

>> EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> EXACTLY RIGHT.

YOU CHOSE PEOPLE NOT YOU CHOSE PEOPLE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSH FAMILY, ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUSH FAMILY, THEY WOULDN'T FILL THIS TABLE.

THEY WOULDN'T FILL THIS TABLE.

SO AND FINALLY, THOUGH, HE DID SO AND FINALLY, THOUGH, HE DID MENTION, JEB BUSH SAID THERE MENTION, JEB BUSH SAID THERE WERE MISTAKES MADE IN IRAQ.

WERE MISTAKES MADE IN IRAQ.

SAID, ONE, THE SECURITY SAID, ONE, THE SECURITY SITUATION AFTER SADDAM FELL WAS SITUATION AFTER SADDAM FELL WAS AND HE CREATED A VACUUM AND HE CREATED A VACUUM SAID IT WAS BAD THAT WEAPONS OF SAID IT WAS BAD THAT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WEREN'T FOUND.

MASS DESTRUCTION WEREN'T FOUND.

PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS CREATING PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WAS CREATING DISTANCE WITH HIS BROTHER BUT DISTANCE WITH HIS BROTHER BUT BROTHER HAS SAID BROTHER HAS SAID IN HIS OWN BOOK.

IN HIS OWN BOOK.

>> SO WHAT THE POLITICAL BENEFIT >> SO WHAT THE POLITICAL BENEFIT OF SUCH A SPEECH?

OF SUCH A SPEECH?

THE POLITICAL BENEFIT WAS HE THE POLITICAL BENEFIT WAS HE LOOKED CONFIDENT.

LOOKED CONFIDENT.

HE KNEW HIS BRIEF.

HE KNEW HIS BRIEF.

THAT TUNISIA WAS DOING THAT TUNISIA WAS DOING BETTER THAN OTHER ARAB SPRING BETTER THAN OTHER ARAB SPRING STATES.

STATES.

OF EGYPT.E PRESIDENT OF EGYPT.E PRESIDENT HE SOUNDED CONFIDENT AND AT THIS HE SOUNDED CONFIDENT AND AT THIS STAGE AND BARACK OBAMA PROVED STAGE AND BARACK OBAMA PROVED THIS -- A FRESHMAN SENATOR WITH THIS -- A FRESHMAN SENATOR WITH NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE -- IF NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE -- IF YOU SOUND CONFIDENT AND LOOK YOU SOUND CONFIDENT AND LOOK LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT, VOTERS WILL SAY, ABOUT, VOTERS WILL SAY, HEY, HE CAN BE PRESIDENT.

HEY, HE CAN BE PRESIDENT.

HIS: HE KNEW MORE THAN HIS: HE KNEW MORE THAN BROTHER KNEW AT A SIMILAR POINT BROTHER KNEW AT A SIMILAR POINT CAMPAIGN?

CAMPAIGN?

>> HIS BROTHER WAS ASKED FIVE >> HIS BROTHER WAS ASKED FIVE POP QUIZ QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POP QUIZ QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD, HE LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD, HE ONLY GOT ONE RIGHT.

ONLY GOT ONE RIGHT.

RELATIVE TO WHERE HIS BROTHER RELATIVE TO WHERE HIS BROTHER WAS, JEB BUSH IS MILES AHEAD OF WAS, JEB BUSH IS MILES AHEAD OF HIM.

HIM.

SAY WHAT YOU WILL -- ABOUT HIM, SAY WHAT YOU WILL -- ABOUT HIM, BUT I THINK MARCO RUBIO WOULD BUT I THINK MARCO RUBIO WOULD ACE THAT POP QUIZ.

ACE THAT POP QUIZ.

FOREIGN BUSH'S SPEECH AND FOREIGN BUSH'S SPEECH AND TELLAN INTERVIEW AND TELLAN INTERVIEW AND PEOPLE WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT PEOPLE WHAT HE SAID AND WHAT THAT MEANS.

THAT MEANS.

HEINTERVIEW IN POLITICO AND HEINTERVIEW IN POLITICO AND BASICALLY SAID I KNOW I WAS BASICALLY SAID I KNOW I WAS LIBYA ON,HE SYRIA, ON LIBYA ON,HE SYRIA, ON RUSSIA.

RUSSIA.

HE WAS SAYING, AS MUCH AS BARACK HE WAS SAYING, AS MUCH AS BARACK SAID IID IN 2008 WHEN HE SAID IID IN 2008 WHEN HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR, HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR, HE WAS SAYINGS, I WAS PRESCIENT AND WAS SAYINGS, I WAS PRESCIENT AND BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.

BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.

THERE'S A BIG DEBATE IN THE THERE'S A BIG DEBATE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ABOUT SENATORS REPUBLICAN PARTY ABOUT SENATORS ISSUES BUTW THE ISSUES BUTW THE GOVERNORS WITH THE EXECUTIVE GOVERNORS WITH THE EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE.

EXPERIENCE.

GWEN: THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'LL GWEN: THAT'S THE QUESTION WE'LL TO SEE HOW IT SORTS OUT TO SEE HOW IT SORTS OUT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF GOVERNORS WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT GOVERNORS WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT RUNNING.

RUNNING.

WE HAVE TO GO NOW.

WE HAVE TO GO NOW.

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