LOW-TECH OMACY, PLOITS AND THE INTERNATIONAL STANDOFF OVER SYRIA.

PLOITS AND THE INTERNATIONAL STANDOFF OVER SYRIA.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

STANDOFF OVER SYRIA.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

A WHIPLASH WEEK.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

A WHIPLASH WEEK.

MONDAY, SYRIAN PRESIDENT ASSAD A WHIPLASH WEEK.

MONDAY, SYRIAN PRESIDENT ASSAD ISSUES A DIRE WARNING.

MONDAY, SYRIAN PRESIDENT ASSAD ISSUES A DIRE WARNING.

>> WILL THERE BE ATTACKS ISSUES A DIRE WARNING.

>> WILL THERE BE ATTACKS AGAINST AMERICAN AIR BASES IN >> WILL THERE BE ATTACKS AGAINST AMERICAN AIR BASES IN THE MIDDLE EAST IF THERE SAY AGAINST AMERICAN AIR BASES IN THE MIDDLE EAST IF THERE SAY STRIKE?

THE MIDDLE EAST IF THERE SAY STRIKE?

>> YOU SHOULD EXPECT IT.

STRIKE?

>> YOU SHOULD EXPECT IT.

GWEN: WHILE PRESIDENT OBAMA >> YOU SHOULD EXPECT IT.

GWEN: WHILE PRESIDENT OBAMA SAYS THE PATH TO DIPLOMACY MAY GWEN: WHILE PRESIDENT OBAMA SAYS THE PATH TO DIPLOMACY MAY RUN THROUGH RUSSIA.

SAYS THE PATH TO DIPLOMACY MAY RUN THROUGH RUSSIA.

>> IS THERE SOMETHING YOU HAD RUN THROUGH RUSSIA.

>> IS THERE SOMETHING YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS AT ALL WITH >> IS THERE SOMETHING YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS AT ALL WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN ABOUT?

ANY CONVERSATIONS AT ALL WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN ABOUT?

>> I DID HAVE THOSE PRESIDENT PUTIN ABOUT?

>> I DID HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THESE ARE >> I DID HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND THESE ARE CONTINUATIONS OF CONVERSATIONS CONVERSATIONS AND THESE ARE CONTINUATIONS OF CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN CONTINUATIONS OF CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

I'VE HAD WITH PRESIDENT PUTIN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

GWEN: TUESDAY, THE PRESIDENT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

GWEN: TUESDAY, THE PRESIDENT MAKES HIS CASE TO THE MATION -- GWEN: TUESDAY, THE PRESIDENT MAKES HIS CASE TO THE MATION -- NATION.

MAKES HIS CASE TO THE MATION -- NATION.

>> WHEN WITH MODEST EFFORT AND NATION.

>> WHEN WITH MODEST EFFORT AND RISK YOU CAN STOP CHILDREN FROM >> WHEN WITH MODEST EFFORT AND RISK YOU CAN STOP CHILDREN FROM BEING GASSED TO DEATH AND RISK YOU CAN STOP CHILDREN FROM BEING GASSED TO DEATH AND THEREBY MAKE OUR OWN CHILDREN BEING GASSED TO DEATH AND THEREBY MAKE OUR OWN CHILDREN SAFER OVER THE LONG RUN I THINK THEREBY MAKE OUR OWN CHILDREN SAFER OVER THE LONG RUN I THINK WE SHOULD ACT THE SAFER OVER THE LONG RUN I THINK WE SHOULD ACT THE GWEN: AND THEN -- WE SHOULD ACT THE GWEN: AND THEN -- >> THEY GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY GWEN: AND THEN -- >> THEY GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED, WHICH WAS TIME.

>> THEY GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED, WHICH WAS TIME.

THEY NEEDED ASSAD TO HAVE MORE WANTED, WHICH WAS TIME.

THEY NEEDED ASSAD TO HAVE MORE TIME.

THEY NEEDED ASSAD TO HAVE MORE TIME.

GWEN: BY THE END OF THE WEEK, TIME.

GWEN: BY THE END OF THE WEEK, SECRETARY OF STATE KERRY GWEN: BY THE END OF THE WEEK, SECRETARY OF STATE KERRY MEETING WITH HIS RUSSIAN SECRETARY OF STATE KERRY MEETING WITH HIS RUSSIAN COUNTERPART IN GENEVA.

MEETING WITH HIS RUSSIAN COUNTERPART IN GENEVA.

WITH THE THREAT OF WAR DELAYED COUNTERPART IN GENEVA.

WITH THE THREAT OF WAR DELAYED AT LEAST FOR NOW, THERE STILL WITH THE THREAT OF WAR DELAYED AT LEAST FOR NOW, THERE STILL REMAIN MORE QUESTIONS THAN AT LEAST FOR NOW, THERE STILL REMAIN MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN REMAIN MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT.

ANSWERS ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT.

WE TACKLE THOSE TONIGHT WITH NEXT.

WE TACKLE THOSE TONIGHT WITH PETER BAKER OF THE "NEW YORK WE TACKLE THOSE TONIGHT WITH PETER BAKER OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES," JAMES KITFIELD OF PETER BAKER OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES," JAMES KITFIELD OF "NATIONAL JOURNAL," MARTHA TIMES," JAMES KITFIELD OF "NATIONAL JOURNAL," MARTHA RADDATZ OF ABC NEWS, AND KAREN "NATIONAL JOURNAL," MARTHA RADDATZ OF ABC NEWS, AND KAREN TUMULTY OF THE "WASHINGTON RADDATZ OF ABC NEWS, AND KAREN TUMULTY OF THE "WASHINGTON POST."

TUMULTY OF THE "WASHINGTON POST."

>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND POST."

>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS .

HAPPENS ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS .

HAPPENS LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, .

HAPPENS LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN IFILL ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON.

MODER RATOR GWEN IFILL.

WASHINGTON.

MODER RATOR GWEN IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

MODER RATOR GWEN IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IT WAS A GOOD WEEK TO IN THE GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IT WAS A GOOD WEEK TO IN THE NEWS BUSINESS.

IT WAS A GOOD WEEK TO IN THE NEWS BUSINESS.

WE LIKE TO QUESTION.

NEWS BUSINESS.

WE LIKE TO QUESTION.

NOT SO GOOD TO BE A DIPLOMAT OR WE LIKE TO QUESTION.

NOT SO GOOD TO BE A DIPLOMAT OR A WARRIOR.

NOT SO GOOD TO BE A DIPLOMAT OR A WARRIOR.

THEY LIKE GETTING TO ANSWERS.

A WARRIOR.

THEY LIKE GETTING TO ANSWERS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE THEY LIKE GETTING TO ANSWERS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE STILL-BUBBLING CRISIS IN SYRIA, WHEN IT COMES TO THE STILL-BUBBLING CRISIS IN SYRIA, THOSE WERE IN SHORT SUPPLY.

STILL-BUBBLING CRISIS IN SYRIA, THOSE WERE IN SHORT SUPPLY.

SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY THOSE WERE IN SHORT SUPPLY.

SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY MANAGED TO BOOKEND THE WEEK SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY MANAGED TO BOOKEND THE WEEK WITH STATEMENTS THAN SEEMED MANAGED TO BOOKEND THE WEEK WITH STATEMENTS THAN SEEMED ENTIRELY OPPOSITE.

WITH STATEMENTS THAN SEEMED ENTIRELY OPPOSITE.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING AT THIS ENTIRELY OPPOSITE.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT THAT HIS GOVERNMENT COULD >> IS THERE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT THAT HIS GOVERNMENT COULD DO OR OFFER THAT WOULD STOP AN POINT THAT HIS GOVERNMENT COULD DO OR OFFER THAT WOULD STOP AN ATTACK?

DO OR OFFER THAT WOULD STOP AN ATTACK?

>> SURE.

ATTACK?

>> SURE.

HE COULD TURN OVER EVERY SINGLE >> SURE.

HE COULD TURN OVER EVERY SINGLE BIT OF HIS CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO HE COULD TURN OVER EVERY SINGLE BIT OF HIS CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN BIT OF HIS CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN THE NEXT WEEK, TURN IT OVER.

THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IN THE NEXT WEEK, TURN IT OVER.

ALL OF IT.

THE NEXT WEEK, TURN IT OVER.

ALL OF IT.

AND WITHOUT DELAY.

ALL OF IT.

AND WITHOUT DELAY.

AND ALLOW A FULL AND TOTAL AND WITHOUT DELAY.

AND ALLOW A FULL AND TOTAL ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.

AND ALLOW A FULL AND TOTAL ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.

BUT HE ISN'T ABOUT TO DO IT AND ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.

BUT HE ISN'T ABOUT TO DO IT AND IT CAN'T BE DONE, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT HE ISN'T ABOUT TO DO IT AND IT CAN'T BE DONE, OBVIOUSLY.

>> THIS IS NOT A GAME.

IT CAN'T BE DONE, OBVIOUSLY.

>> THIS IS NOT A GAME.

AND I SAID THAT TO MY FRIEND >> THIS IS NOT A GAME.

AND I SAID THAT TO MY FRIEND SERGEI WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I SAID THAT TO MY FRIEND SERGEI WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT INITIALLY.

SERGEI WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT INITIALLY.

IT HAS TO BE REAL.

INITIALLY.

IT HAS TO BE REAL.

IT HAS TO BE COMPREHENSIVE.

IT HAS TO BE REAL.

IT HAS TO BE COMPREHENSIVE.

IT HAS TO BE VERIFIABLE.

IT HAS TO BE COMPREHENSIVE.

IT HAS TO BE VERIFIABLE.

IT HAS TO BE CREDIBLE.

IT HAS TO BE VERIFIABLE.

IT HAS TO BE CREDIBLE.

IT HAS TO BE TIMELY.

IT HAS TO BE CREDIBLE.

IT HAS TO BE TIMELY.

AND IMPLEMENTED IN A TIMELY IT HAS TO BE TIMELY.

AND IMPLEMENTED IN A TIMELY FASHION.

AND IMPLEMENTED IN A TIMELY FASHION.

GWEN: WHAT A DIFFERENCE FOUR FASHION.

GWEN: WHAT A DIFFERENCE FOUR DAYS MADE.

GWEN: WHAT A DIFFERENCE FOUR DAYS MADE.

MEANWHILE, THE PRESIDENT WAS DAYS MADE.

MEANWHILE, THE PRESIDENT WAS MAKING THE CASE FOR WAR AND MEANWHILE, THE PRESIDENT WAS MAKING THE CASE FOR WAR AND PEACE IN INTERVIEWS.

MAKING THE CASE FOR WAR AND PEACE IN INTERVIEWS.

>> AS I SAID TO YOU THE LAST PEACE IN INTERVIEWS.

>> AS I SAID TO YOU THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, THIS CHEMICAL >> AS I SAID TO YOU THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, THIS CHEMICAL WEAPONS BAN MATTERS TO US, TO TIME WE SPOKE, THIS CHEMICAL WEAPONS BAN MATTERS TO US, TO THE UNITED STATES.

WEAPONS BAN MATTERS TO US, TO THE UNITED STATES.

MY INTENTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS THE UNITED STATES.

MY INTENTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS CHEMICAL S BEEN TO ENSURE T MY INTENTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS CHEMICAL S BEEN TO ENSURE T WEAPONS THAT WE SAW DOESN'T CHEMICAL S BEEN TO ENSURE T WEAPONS THAT WE SAW DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

WEAPONS THAT WE SAW DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

IF IN FACT THERE IS A WAY TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

IF IN FACT THERE IS A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT DIPLOMATICALLY, IF IN FACT THERE IS A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT DIPLOMATICALLY, THAT IS OVERWHELMINGLY MY ACCOMPLISH THAT DIPLOMATICALLY, THAT IS OVERWHELMINGLY MY PREFERENCE.

THAT IS OVERWHELMINGLY MY PREFERENCE.

GWEN: AND IN A PRIME TIME PREFERENCE.

GWEN: AND IN A PRIME TIME ADDRESS.

GWEN: AND IN A PRIME TIME ADDRESS.

>> MANY OF YOU HAVE ASKED WON'T ADDRESS.

>> MANY OF YOU HAVE ASKED WON'T THIS PUT US ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE >> MANY OF YOU HAVE ASKED WON'T THIS PUT US ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO ANOTHER WAR?

THIS PUT US ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO ANOTHER WAR?

MY ANSWER IS SIMPLE.

TO ANOTHER WAR?

MY ANSWER IS SIMPLE.

I WILL NOT PUT AMERICAN BOOTS MY ANSWER IS SIMPLE.

I WILL NOT PUT AMERICAN BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA.

I WILL NOT PUT AMERICAN BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA.

THIS WOULD BE A TARGETED STRIKE ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA.

THIS WOULD BE A TARGETED STRIKE TO ACHIEVE A CLEAR OBJECTIVE.

THIS WOULD BE A TARGETED STRIKE TO ACHIEVE A CLEAR OBJECTIVE.

DETERING THE USE OF CHEMICAL TO ACHIEVE A CLEAR OBJECTIVE.

DETERING THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND DEGRADING ASSAD'S DETERING THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND DEGRADING ASSAD'S CAPABILITIES.

WEAPONS AND DEGRADING ASSAD'S CAPABILITIES.

GWEN: OK.

CAPABILITIES.

GWEN: OK. AFTER A WEEK LIKE THIS YOU HAVE GWEN: OK. AFTER A WEEK LIKE THIS YOU HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK AFTER A WEEK LIKE THIS YOU HAVE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK TO YOURSELF, THERE ARE ALL TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK TO YOURSELF, THERE ARE ALL THESE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

TO YOURSELF, THERE ARE ALL THESE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST UNQUERD -- THESE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST UNQUERD -- UNANSWERED QUESTION, PETER?

WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST UNQUERD -- UNANSWERED QUESTION, PETER?

>> IT'S A LONG LIST.

UNANSWERED QUESTION, PETER?

>> IT'S A LONG LIST.

BUT FOR ME THE BIGGEST IS WHAT >> IT'S A LONG LIST.

BUT FOR ME THE BIGGEST IS WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T WORK?

BUT FOR ME THE BIGGEST IS WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T WORK?

WHAT'S PLAN B?

HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T WORK?

WHAT'S PLAN B?

IF THE RUSSIAN INITIATIVE WHAT'S PLAN B?

IF THE RUSSIAN INITIATIVE DOESN'T PRODUCE THE RESULTS THE IF THE RUSSIAN INITIATIVE DOESN'T PRODUCE THE RESULTS THE PRESIDENT WANTS, AND THERE IS A DOESN'T PRODUCE THE RESULTS THE PRESIDENT WANTS, AND THERE IS A LOT OF SKEPTICISM IN WASHINGTON PRESIDENT WANTS, AND THERE IS A LOT OF SKEPTICISM IN WASHINGTON BOTH INSIDE THE WOUSE AND IN LOT OF SKEPTICISM IN WASHINGTON BOTH INSIDE THE WOUSE AND IN T DO THEN?WHAT DOES T BOTH INSIDE THE WOUSE AND IN T DO THEN?WHAT DOES T GO BACK TO CONGRESS?

T DO THEN?WHAT DOES T GO BACK TO CONGRESS?

STRIKE ANYWAY?

GO BACK TO CONGRESS?

STRIKE ANYWAY?

HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO WIN STRIKE ANYWAY?

HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO WIN A CONGRESSIONAL VOTE LAST AND HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO WIN A CONGRESSIONAL VOTE LAST AND I'M.

A CONGRESSIONAL VOTE LAST AND I'M.

-- TIME.

I'M.

-- TIME.

WHAT ABOUT NEXT TIME?

-- TIME.

WHAT ABOUT NEXT TIME?

GWEN: MARTHA, WHAT DO YOU WHAT ABOUT NEXT TIME?

GWEN: MARTHA, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

GWEN: MARTHA, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT'S THE THINK?

>> I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT'S THE THE BIGGEST QUESTION OUT THERE.

>> I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT'S THE THE BIGGEST QUESTION OUT THERE.

BUT ALSO GOING FORWARD, WHAT DO THE BIGGEST QUESTION OUT THERE.

BUT ALSO GOING FORWARD, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR?

BUT ALSO GOING FORWARD, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR?

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT AT YOU DO ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR?

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ALL.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS HORRENDOUS CHEMICAL ATTACK.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS HORRENDOUS CHEMICAL ATTACK.

DIPLOMACY A WEEK AGO OR TWO HORRENDOUS CHEMICAL ATTACK.

DIPLOMACY A WEEK AGO OR TWO WEEKS AGO WAS REALLY TALKING DIPLOMACY A WEEK AGO OR TWO WEEKS AGO WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR, WHAT DO WEEKS AGO WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT ALL THE DEATHS AND ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT ALL THE DEATHS AND GETTING ASSAD OUT OF THE WAY YOU DO ABOUT ALL THE DEATHS AND GETTING ASSAD OUT OF THE WAY AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT GETTING ASSAD OUT OF THE WAY AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS?

AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS?

IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS?

IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS GONE AWAY ENTIRELY.

IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THAT HAS GONE AWAY ENTIRELY.

GWEN: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

GONE AWAY ENTIRELY.

GWEN: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I ALMOST WONDER IF WE HAVE GWEN: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I ALMOST WONDER IF WE HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING THIS WEEK >> I ALMOST WONDER IF WE HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING THIS WEEK ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIS LEARNED SOMETHING THIS WEEK ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIS DECISION MAKING AND WILLINGNESS ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HIS DECISION MAKING AND WILLINGNESS TO TAKE RISKS.

DECISION MAKING AND WILLINGNESS TO TAKE RISKS.

E'VE SEEN HIM IN HIGH-STAKES TO TAKE RISKS.

E'VE SEEN HIM IN HIGH-STAKES VOTES BEFORE BUT ALWAYS AGAINST E'VE SEEN HIM IN HIGH-STAKES VOTES BEFORE BUT ALWAYS AGAINST CONGRESS.

VOTES BEFORE BUT ALWAYS AGAINST CONGRESS.

AND IN VERY RISKY SITUATIONS, CONGRESS.

AND IN VERY RISKY SITUATIONS, GOING AFTER OSAMA BIN LADEN.

AND IN VERY RISKY SITUATIONS, GOING AFTER OSAMA BIN LADEN.

HERE IN SYRIA WE SAW HIM GOING AFTER OSAMA BIN LADEN.

HERE IN SYRIA WE SAW HIM JUGGLING TWO OUTCOMES WHERE YOU HERE IN SYRIA WE SAW HIM JUGGLING TWO OUTCOMES WHERE YOU COULDN'T TELL WHICH ONE YOU JUGGLING TWO OUTCOMES WHERE YOU COULDN'T TELL WHICH ONE YOU WANTED.

COULDN'T TELL WHICH ONE YOU WANTED.

GWEN: JAMES?

WANTED.

GWEN: JAMES?

>> I THINK PUTIN IS THE WILD GWEN: JAMES?

>> I THINK PUTIN IS THE WILD CARD IN THIS THINGECE -- HE IS >> I THINK PUTIN IS THE WILD CARD IN THIS THINGECE -- HE IS HAS NO INTEREST AT ALL IN CARD IN THIS THINGECE -- HE IS HAS NO INTEREST AT ALL IN ANOTHER PRECEDENT-SETTING HAS NO INTEREST AT ALL IN ANOTHER PRECEDENT-SETTING MILITARY STRIKE BIT UNITED ANOTHER PRECEDENT-SETTING MILITARY STRIKE BIT UNITED STATES BY THE UNITED STATES ON MILITARY STRIKE BIT UNITED STATES BY THE UNITED STATES ON AN ALLY.

STATES BY THE UNITED STATES ON AN ALLY.

HE WANTS TO GET BACK IN THE AN ALLY.

HE WANTS TO GET BACK IN THE GAME IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HE WANTS TO GET BACK IN THE GAME IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HERE'S A CHANCE FOR HIM TO GAME IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HERE'S A CHANCE FOR HIM TO ACTUAL SHALL -- ACTUALLY PLAY HERE'S A CHANCE FOR HIM TO ACTUAL SHALL -- ACTUALLY PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE.

ACTUAL SHALL -- ACTUALLY PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE.

FOR ALL THOSE REASONS I THINK AN IMPORTANT ROLE.

FOR ALL THOSE REASONS I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE AND A CHANCE FOR ALL THOSE REASONS I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE AND A CHANCE IT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT THERE IS A CHANCE AND A CHANCE IT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN THE IT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN THE GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT REMAINS TO BE SEEN THE GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS.

GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS.

ASSUMING FOR A MOMENT THERE IS ALL THOSE THINGS.

ASSUMING FOR A MOMENT THERE IS A DEAL TO BE HAD, HOW DO YOU ASSUMING FOR A MOMENT THERE IS A DEAL TO BE HAD, HOW DO YOU DISARM AND HOW DO YOU DISARM A DEAL TO BE HAD, HOW DO YOU DISARM AND HOW DO YOU DISARM THE DISARMAMENT -- ENFORCE THE DISARM AND HOW DO YOU DISARM THE DISARMAMENT -- ENFORCE THE DISARMAMENT?

THE DISARMAMENT -- ENFORCE THE DISARMAMENT?

>> FIRST YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH DISARMAMENT?

>> FIRST YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHERE ALL THE WEAPONS ARE.

>> FIRST YOU HAVE TO ESTABLISH WHERE ALL THE WEAPONS ARE.

THEY'VE BEEN MOVED AROUND.

WHERE ALL THE WEAPONS ARE.

THEY'VE BEEN MOVED AROUND.

WHEN THE THROAT -- THREAT OF THEY'VE BEEN MOVED AROUND.

WHEN THE THROAT -- THREAT OF WAR FIRST HAPPENED AND BEFORE WHEN THE THROAT -- THREAT OF WAR FIRST HAPPENED AND BEFORE THAT.

WAR FIRST HAPPENED AND BEFORE THAT.

I THINK THE UT HAS A VERY GOOD THAT.

I THINK THE UT HAS A VERY GOOD IDEA WHERE THOSE STOCKPILES ARE I THINK THE UT HAS A VERY GOOD IDEA WHERE THOSE STOCKPILES ARE AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN IDEA WHERE THOSE STOCKPILES ARE AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN EITHER BUILD A FACILITY IN AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN EITHER BUILD A FACILITY IN SYRIA WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY EITHER BUILD A FACILITY IN SYRIA WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY HARD TO DO OR TRY TO TRANSPORT SYRIA WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY HARD TO DO OR TRY TO TRANSPORT THEM INTO IRAQ OR SOME PLACE HARD TO DO OR TRY TO TRANSPORT THEM INTO IRAQ OR SOME PLACE LIKE THAT.

THEM INTO IRAQ OR SOME PLACE LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAGING WAR.

YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAGING WAR.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU DO WITH RAGING WAR.

BASICALLY WHAT YOU DO WITH THOSE WEAPONS IF THEY ARE BASICALLY WHAT YOU DO WITH THOSE WEAPONS IF THEY ARE WEAPONIZED OR JUST THE THOSE WEAPONS IF THEY ARE WEAPONIZED OR JUST THE CHEMICALS, YOU INCINERATE THEM.

WEAPONIZED OR JUST THE CHEMICALS, YOU INCINERATE THEM.

UT PUT THEM IN A BUILDING THAT CHEMICALS, YOU INCINERATE THEM.

UT PUT THEM IN A BUILDING THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A GIANT OVEN AND UT PUT THEM IN A BUILDING THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A GIANT OVEN AND GET RID OF THEM.

IS ESSENTIALLY A GIANT OVEN AND GET RID OF THEM.

BUT I DO THINK, AND MOST PEOPLE GET RID OF THEM.

BUT I DO THINK, AND MOST PEOPLE I TALKED TO SAY, THAT COULD BUT I DO THINK, AND MOST PEOPLE I TALKED TO SAY, THAT COULD TAKE TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS.

I TALKED TO SAY, THAT COULD TAKE TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS.

IT PRE -- DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND TAKE TWO YEARS, FOUR YEARS.

IT PRE -- DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF PROTECTION YOU WOULD HAVE IT PRE -- DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF PROTECTION YOU WOULD HAVE FOR THE CHEMICAL TEAMS COMING OF PROTECTION YOU WOULD HAVE FOR THE CHEMICAL TEAMS COMING IN.

FOR THE CHEMICAL TEAMS COMING IN.

MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

IN.

MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

>> DOESN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

>> DOESN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT FOR ANY INSPECTION REGIME TO >> DOESN'T THAT SUGGEST THAT FOR ANY INSPECTION REGIME TO WORK YOU HAVE TO COME UB -- UP FOR ANY INSPECTION REGIME TO WORK YOU HAVE TO COME UB -- UP WITH A WAY OF RESOLVING THE WORK YOU HAVE TO COME UB -- UP WITH A WAY OF RESOLVING THE CIVIL WAR?

WITH A WAY OF RESOLVING THE CIVIL WAR?

SO IS IT GOING TO LEAD IN FACT CIVIL WAR?

SO IS IT GOING TO LEAD IN FACT TO SOME SORT OF NEGOTIATED SO IS IT GOING TO LEAD IN FACT TO SOME SORT OF NEGOTIATED SOLUTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON ON TO SOME SORT OF NEGOTIATED SOLUTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE GROUND THERE?

SOLUTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE GROUND THERE?

>> I WOULDN'T COUNT ON THAT.

THE GROUND THERE?

>> I WOULDN'T COUNT ON THAT.

>> I THINK THEY'RE HOPING FOR >> I WOULDN'T COUNT ON THAT.

>> I THINK THEY'RE HOPING FOR THAT.

>> I THINK THEY'RE HOPING FOR THAT.

IT'S THE HONORABLE -- ONLY HOPE THAT.

IT'S THE HONORABLE -- ONLY HOPE THEY HAVE LEFT, REALLY.

IT'S THE HONORABLE -- ONLY HOPE THEY HAVE LEFT, REALLY.

IF THERE IS PROGRESS TOWARDS AN THEY HAVE LEFT, REALLY.

IF THERE IS PROGRESS TOWARDS AN IMPERFECT DEAL, YOU HAVE TO IF THERE IS PROGRESS TOWARDS AN IMPERFECT DEAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE PARTIES IMPERFECT DEAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE PARTIES NEGOTIATING, THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALL THE PARTIES NEGOTIATING, THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA ON THE SAME PAGE AND NEGOTIATING, THE UNITED STATES AND RUSSIA ON THE SAME PAGE AND YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A AND RUSSIA ON THE SAME PAGE AND YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CEASE-FIRE.

YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A CEASE-FIRE.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE VERY, VERY CEASE-FIRE.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE VERY, VERY DESIRABLE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE VERY, VERY DESIRABLE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO FROM THIS TO GENEVA AND TALK DESIRABLE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO FROM THIS TO GENEVA AND TALK ABOUT A PEACE DEAL.

GO FROM THIS TO GENEVA AND TALK ABOUT A PEACE DEAL.

SO THERE'S A CHANCE HERE.

ABOUT A PEACE DEAL.

SO THERE'S A CHANCE HERE.

IT MAY BE SLIM BUT THE BEST SO THERE'S A CHANCE HERE.

IT MAY BE SLIM BUT THE BEST I'VE SEEN IN TWO AND A HALF IT MAY BE SLIM BUT THE BEST I'VE SEEN IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN THIS CON I'VE SEEN IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN THIS CON GWEN: PETER, THERE'S BEEN MUCH YEARS IN THIS CON GWEN: PETER, THERE'S BEEN MUCH CONVERSATION OUT OF THE GWEN: PETER, THERE'S BEEN MUCH CONVERSATION OUT OF THE PRESIDENT'S MOUTH ABOUT THE BAD CONVERSATION OUT OF THE PRESIDENT'S MOUTH ABOUT THE BAD CHOICES THAT EXISTED HERE.

PRESIDENT'S MOUTH ABOUT THE BAD CHOICES THAT EXISTED HERE.

WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD CHOICES THAT EXISTED HERE.

WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD CHOICE?

WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD CHOICE?

EITHER THE ROLLOUT OF HOW TO CHOICE?

EITHER THE ROLLOUT OF HOW TO ACT OR WHAT TO DO?

EITHER THE ROLLOUT OF HOW TO ACT OR WHAT TO DO?

>> GOOD QUESTION.

ACT OR WHAT TO DO?

>> GOOD QUESTION.

YOU HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE >> GOOD QUESTION.

YOU HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN IN HIS OWN PARTY THAT IF YOU HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE EVEN IN HIS OWN PARTY THAT IF HE WAS GOING TO DO A MILITARY EVEN IN HIS OWN PARTY THAT IF HE WAS GOING TO DO A MILITARY STRIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HE WAS GOING TO DO A MILITARY STRIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO DO IT RIGHT AWAY AND STRIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO DO IT RIGHT AWAY AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN BETTER TO DO IT RIGHT AWAY AND GET IT OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN YOU COULD IN FACT TRY TO REVIVE GET IT OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN YOU COULD IN FACT TRY TO REVIVE A PEACE PROCESS.

YOU COULD IN FACT TRY TO REVIVE A PEACE PROCESS.

IN -- INSTEAD HE ELONGATED IT, A PEACE PROCESS.

IN -- INSTEAD HE ELONGATED IT, IT CONGRESS TO INVOLVE IN -- INSTEAD HE ELONGATED IT, IT CONGRESS TO INVOLVE SELF, GAVE TIME FOR THE IT CONGRESS TO INVOLVE SELF, GAVE TIME FOR THE RUSSIANS TO GET INVOLVED AND SELF, GAVE TIME FOR THE RUSSIANS TO GET INVOLVED AND IT'S BECOME A MUCH MESSIER RUSSIANS TO GET INVOLVED AND IT'S BECOME A MUCH MESSIER MATTER AS FAR AS POLITICS.

IT'S BECOME A MUCH MESSIER MATTER AS FAR AS POLITICS.

AS FAR AS OUTCOMES, OK, IT MATTER AS FAR AS POLITICS.

AS FAR AS OUTCOMES, OK, IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD, BUT IF IN THE AS FAR AS OUTCOMES, OK, IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD, BUT IF IN THE END ASSAD ACTUALLY DOES GIVE UP DIDN'T LOOK GOOD, BUT IF IN THE END ASSAD ACTUALLY DOES GIVE UP 1,000 OR 1,400 TONS OF CHEMICAL END ASSAD ACTUALLY DOES GIVE UP 1,000 OR 1,400 TONS OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THE WORLD IS A BETTER 1,000 OR 1,400 TONS OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS, THE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE.

WEAPONS, THE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE.

>> AND WHERE WOULD WE BE?

PLACE.

>> AND WHERE WOULD WE BE?

I JUST KEEP THINKING IF THEY >> AND WHERE WOULD WE BE?

I JUST KEEP THINKING IF THEY HAD JUST DONE A LIMITED I JUST KEEP THINKING IF THEY HAD JUST DONE A LIMITED MILITARY STRIKE, I THINK HAD JUST DONE A LIMITED MILITARY STRIKE, I THINK CONGRESS MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN MILITARY STRIKE, I THINK CONGRESS MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT BY NOW BUT THOSE CONGRESS MIGHT HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT BY NOW BUT THOSE WEAPONS WOULD STILL BE THERE.

ABOUT IT BY NOW BUT THOSE WEAPONS WOULD STILL BE THERE.

GWEN: AND THE PRESIDENT HAS WEAPONS WOULD STILL BE THERE.

GWEN: AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED IT WASN'T GOING TO GWEN: AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED IT WASN'T GOING TO BE SO EASY TO CONVINCE THE ACKNOWLEDGED IT WASN'T GOING TO BE SO EASY TO CONVINCE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT ANY OF BE SO EASY TO CONVINCE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

LISTEN FOR A MOMENT.

THIS.

LISTEN FOR A MOMENT.

>> I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO LISTEN FOR A MOMENT.

>> I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO CONVINCE THE OVERWHELMING >> I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO CONVINCE THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CONVINCE THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO TAKE ANY MILITARY ACTION, MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO TAKE ANY MILITARY ACTION, BUT I BELIEVE I CAN MAKE A VERY TO TAKE ANY MILITARY ACTION, BUT I BELIEVE I CAN MAKE A VERY STRONG CASE TO CONGRESS AS WELL BUT I BELIEVE I CAN MAKE A VERY STRONG CASE TO CONGRESS AS WELL AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT STRONG CASE TO CONGRESS AS WELL AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHY WE CAN'T LEAVE OUR CHILDREN AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHY WE CAN'T LEAVE OUR CHILDREN A WORLD IN WHICH OTHER CHILDREN WHY WE CAN'T LEAVE OUR CHILDREN A WORLD IN WHICH OTHER CHILDREN ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO NERVE A WORLD IN WHICH OTHER CHILDREN ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO NERVE GAS.

ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO NERVE GAS.

AND THAT IT IS IN OUR INTEREST GAS.

AND THAT IT IS IN OUR INTEREST IF WE CAN TAKE A LIMITED STEP AND THAT IT IS IN OUR INTEREST IF WE CAN TAKE A LIMITED STEP THAT MAKES A MEANINGFUL IF WE CAN TAKE A LIMITED STEP THAT MAKES A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE, IT'S WORTH IT FOR THAT MAKES A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE, IT'S WORTH IT FOR US TO DO THAT.

DIFFERENCE, IT'S WORTH IT FOR US TO DO THAT.

GWEN: SO THERE IS THE MORALE US TO DO THAT.

GWEN: SO THERE IS THE MORALE ARGUMENT, THE MUSCULAR ARGUMENT GWEN: SO THERE IS THE MORALE ARGUMENT, THE MUSCULAR ARGUMENT AND THE GEO POLITICAL ARGUMENT, ARGUMENT, THE MUSCULAR ARGUMENT AND THE GEO POLITICAL ARGUMENT, THAT WE HAVE TO ACT BECAUSE OF AND THE GEO POLITICAL ARGUMENT, THAT WE HAVE TO ACT BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN ALL THAT WE HAVE TO ACT BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES.

ISRAEL, FOR EXAMPLE.

THE OTHER COUNTRIES.

ISRAEL, FOR EXAMPLE.

JOHN KERRY IS ON HIS WAY TO ISRAEL, FOR EXAMPLE.

JOHN KERRY IS ON HIS WAY TO FAULK TO NETANYAHU.

JOHN KERRY IS ON HIS WAY TO FAULK TO NETANYAHU.

>> AND I TALKED TO SENIOR FAULK TO NETANYAHU.

>> AND I TALKED TO SENIOR SECURITY OFFICIALS THIS WEEK >> AND I TALKED TO SENIOR SECURITY OFFICIALS THIS WEEK AND BEFORE THE DEAL WITH SECURITY OFFICIALS THIS WEEK AND BEFORE THE DEAL WITH RUSSIANS WAS FLOATED, THE LINE AND BEFORE THE DEAL WITH RUSSIANS WAS FLOATED, THE LINE WAS IF YOU DO NOTHING ABOUT RUSSIANS WAS FLOATED, THE LINE WAS IF YOU DO NOTHING ABOUT THIS RED LINE IN SYRIA YOU ARE WAS IF YOU DO NOTHING ABOUT THIS RED LINE IN SYRIA YOU ARE GOING TO FORCE US TO ACT THIS RED LINE IN SYRIA YOU ARE GOING TO FORCE US TO ACT UNILATERALLY AGAINST IRAN GOING TO FORCE US TO ACT UNILATERALLY AGAINST IRAN BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BELIEVE UNILATERALLY AGAINST IRAN BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT KEEPING BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT KEEPING THEM FROM GETTING A NUCLEAR ANYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT KEEPING THEM FROM GETTING A NUCLEAR WEAPON.

THEM FROM GETTING A NUCLEAR WEAPON.

BUT ISRAEL OBVIOUSLY LOOKS AT WEAPON.

BUT ISRAEL OBVIOUSLY LOOKS AT THIS AS A PRECURSOR TO A BUT ISRAEL OBVIOUSLY LOOKS AT THIS AS A PRECURSOR TO A SHOWDOWN WITH IRAN OVER NUCLEAR THIS AS A PRECURSOR TO A SHOWDOWN WITH IRAN OVER NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND THAT IS VERY MUCH SHOWDOWN WITH IRAN OVER NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND THAT IS VERY MUCH IN PLAY HERE, WHAT THEY WILL WEAPONS AND THAT IS VERY MUCH IN PLAY HERE, WHAT THEY WILL DO.

IN PLAY HERE, WHAT THEY WILL DO.

>> I WAS VERY SURPRISED, BY THE DO.

>> I WAS VERY SURPRISED, BY THE WAY, THAT THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T >> I WAS VERY SURPRISED, BY THE WAY, THAT THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T MAKE THAT ARGUMENT MORE WAY, THAT THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T MAKE THAT ARGUMENT MORE STRONGLY IN HIS SPEECH, BECAUSE MAKE THAT ARGUMENT MORE STRONGLY IN HIS SPEECH, BECAUSE FROM THE OUTSET -- OUTSET STRONGLY IN HIS SPEECH, BECAUSE FROM THE OUTSET -- OUTSET PEOPLE IN CONGRESS WERE SAYING FROM THE OUTSET -- OUTSET PEOPLE IN CONGRESS WERE SAYING HIS BEST HOPE IS TO FRAME THIS PEOPLE IN CONGRESS WERE SAYING HIS BEST HOPE IS TO FRAME THIS NOT ABOUT CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN HIS BEST HOPE IS TO FRAME THIS NOT ABOUT CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN SYRIA BUT ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS NOT ABOUT CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN SYRIA BUT ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN IRAN.

SYRIA BUT ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN IRAN.

>> THE PROBLEM FOR HIM IS HIS IN IRAN.

>> THE PROBLEM FOR HIM IS HIS ARGUMENTS ARE INTERNALLY >> THE PROBLEM FOR HIM IS HIS ARGUMENTS ARE INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT OR AT LEAST SEEM ARGUMENTS ARE INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT OR AT LEAST SEEM THAT WAY.

INCONSISTENT OR AT LEAST SEEM THAT WAY.

IT'S HARD TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT WAY.

IT'S HARD TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT 1,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND IT'S HARD TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT 1,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND THEREFORE WE SHOULD INTERVEIN THAT 1,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND THEREFORE WE SHOULD INTERVEIN AFTER 100,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED.

THEREFORE WE SHOULD INTERVEIN AFTER 100,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED.

HE ALSO SAYS THIS IS -- AFTER 100,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED.

HE ALSO SAYS THIS IS -- GWEN: HE DID STOP USING THE HE ALSO SAYS THIS IS -- GWEN: HE DID STOP USING THE TERM "INTERNATIONAL NORM."

GWEN: HE DID STOP USING THE TERM "INTERNATIONAL NORM."

>> HE DID.

TERM "INTERNATIONAL NORM."

>> HE DID.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE SAID >> HE DID.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE SAID IT'S GOING TO BE UNBELIEVABLY THE SECRETARY OF STATE SAID IT'S GOING TO BE UNBELIEVABLY SMALL.

IT'S GOING TO BE UNBELIEVABLY SMALL.

AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE SAYING SMALL.

AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT AND POWERFUL.

AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT AND POWERFUL.

HE SAYS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE IT'S IMPORTANT AND POWERFUL.

HE SAYS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SPEECH THAT WE HAVE A NATIONAL HE SAYS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SPEECH THAT WE HAVE A NATIONAL INTEREST IN THIS, TO STOP THIS SPEECH THAT WE HAVE A NATIONAL INTEREST IN THIS, TO STOP THIS THING BECAUSE SYRIA POSES A INTEREST IN THIS, TO STOP THIS THING BECAUSE SYRIA POSES A THREAT TO OUR INTEREST.

THING BECAUSE SYRIA POSES A THREAT TO OUR INTEREST.

LATER IN THE SPEECH HE SAYS THREAT TO OUR INTEREST.

LATER IN THE SPEECH HE SAYS SYRIA CAN'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST LATER IN THE SPEECH HE SAYS SYRIA CAN'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST US, DON'T WORRY, THEY CAN'T SYRIA CAN'T DO ANYTHING AGAINST US, DON'T WORRY, THEY CAN'T RETALIATE AGAINST US.

US, DON'T WORRY, THEY CAN'T RETALIATE AGAINST US.

ALL THESE ARGUMENTS ARE REALLY RETALIATE AGAINST US.

ALL THESE ARGUMENTS ARE REALLY HARD TO RECONCILE.

ALL THESE ARGUMENTS ARE REALLY HARD TO RECONCILE.

THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.

HARD TO RECONCILE.

THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.

>> SOMEBODY SAID TO ME, RIGHT THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.

>> SOMEBODY SAID TO ME, RIGHT AFTER THE PRESIDENT SAID HE >> SOMEBODY SAID TO ME, RIGHT AFTER THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WANTED TO TAKE IT TO CONGRESS AFTER THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WANTED TO TAKE IT TO CONGRESS AND AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT IT WANTED TO TAKE IT TO CONGRESS AND AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE NINE DAYS, HE SAID IN AND AT THE TIME WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE NINE DAYS, HE SAID IN NINE DAYS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC MIGHT BE NINE DAYS, HE SAID IN NINE DAYS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL FORGET ABOUT THOSE NINE DAYS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL FORGET ABOUT THOSE PICTURES, THOSE IMAGES.

WILL FORGET ABOUT THOSE PICTURES, THOSE IMAGES.

SO YOU COULD IMAGINE IF THIS PICTURES, THOSE IMAGES.

SO YOU COULD IMAGINE IF THIS DIPLOMATIC DEAL FELL APART HOW SO YOU COULD IMAGINE IF THIS DIPLOMATIC DEAL FELL APART HOW FAR OUT OF THE MINDS OF DIPLOMATIC DEAL FELL APART HOW FAR OUT OF THE MINDS OF AMERICANS THIS WOULD BE.

FAR OUT OF THE MINDS OF AMERICANS THIS WOULD BE.

I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT CONGRESS AMERICANS THIS WOULD BE.

I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT CONGRESS WOULD EVER TAKE THIS UP AGAIN I CANNOT IMAGINE THAT CONGRESS WOULD EVER TAKE THIS UP AGAIN AND DO ANYTHING.

WOULD EVER TAKE THIS UP AGAIN AND DO ANYTHING.

GWEN: WOULD BE BETTER TO STRIKE AND DO ANYTHING.

GWEN: WOULD BE BETTER TO STRIKE FIRST AND ASK LATER THEN?

GWEN: WOULD BE BETTER TO STRIKE FIRST AND ASK LATER THEN?

>> AS HE MADE HIS ARGUMENTS, FIRST AND ASK LATER THEN?

>> AS HE MADE HIS ARGUMENTS, THE MORE PUBLIC OPINION TURNED >> AS HE MADE HIS ARGUMENTS, THE MORE PUBLIC OPINION TURNED AGAINST HIM.

THE MORE PUBLIC OPINION TURNED AGAINST HIM.

ET DID NOT CONVINCE THE AGAINST HIM.

ET DID NOT CONVINCE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, AS HE ET DID NOT CONVINCE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, AS HE ACKNOWLEDGED IN YOUR INTERVIEW.

AMERICAN PUBLIC, AS HE ACKNOWLEDGED IN YOUR INTERVIEW.

>> AND THEY WERE NOT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED IN YOUR INTERVIEW.

>> AND THEY WERE NOT EVEN CONVINCED THAT U.S.

TROOPS WERE >> AND THEY WERE NOT EVEN CONVINCED THAT U.S.

TROOPS WERE NOT GOING IN.

CONVINCED THAT U.S.

TROOPS WERE NOT GOING IN.

GWEN: TONIGHT IN GENEVA, IS THE NOT GOING IN.

GWEN: TONIGHT IN GENEVA, IS THE IDEA TO GET SYRIA TO GIVE UP GWEN: TONIGHT IN GENEVA, IS THE IDEA TO GET SYRIA TO GIVE UP THEIR CHEMICAL -- CHEMICAL IDEA TO GET SYRIA TO GIVE UP THEIR CHEMICAL -- CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN THE WAY THAT LIBYA THEIR CHEMICAL -- CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN THE WAY THAT LIBYA DID?

WEAPONS IN THE WAY THAT LIBYA DID?

LIBYA SURPRISED EVERYBODY, DID?

LIBYA SURPRISED EVERYBODY, SAYING OK, WE RENOUNCE ALL THIS LIBYA SURPRISED EVERYBODY, SAYING OK, WE RENOUNCE ALL THIS AND EVERYTHING IS FINE AND SAYING OK, WE RENOUNCE ALL THIS AND EVERYTHING IS FINE AND WE'RE A MEMBER OF THE WORLD AND EVERYTHING IS FINE AND WE'RE A MEMBER OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY AGAIN.

WE'RE A MEMBER OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY AGAIN.

IS THAT THE ULTIMATE PIE IN THE COMMUNITY AGAIN.

IS THAT THE ULTIMATE PIE IN THE SKY GOAL?

IS THAT THE ULTIMATE PIE IN THE SKY GOAL?

>> I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS SKY GOAL?

>> I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR >> I THINK THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

TO GET THEM TO GIVE UP THEIR CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

THAT IS WHAT WE WANT.

CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

THAT IS WHAT WE WANT.

ANYONE WHO SIGNED ON TO THE THAT IS WHAT WE WANT.

ANYONE WHO SIGNED ON TO THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS CONVENTION HAS ANYONE WHO SIGNED ON TO THE CHEMICAL WEAPONS CONVENTION HAS NEVER USED THEIR CHEMICAL CHEMICAL WEAPONS CONVENTION HAS NEVER USED THEIR CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAIN, ALTHOUGH I DO NEVER USED THEIR CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAIN, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THEY FOUND THAT QADDAFI WEAPONS AGAIN, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THEY FOUND THAT QADDAFI HAD A LITTLE SECRET STASH OF THINK THEY FOUND THAT QADDAFI HAD A LITTLE SECRET STASH OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS SOME PLACE.

HAD A LITTLE SECRET STASH OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS SOME PLACE.

AND FRANKLY IT'S QUITE EASY, I CHEMICAL WEAPONS SOME PLACE.

AND FRANKLY IT'S QUITE EASY, I BELIEVE, TO REZUTE -- AND FRANKLY IT'S QUITE EASY, I BELIEVE, TO REZUTE -- RECONSTITUTE YOUR WEAPONS.

BELIEVE, TO REZUTE -- RECONSTITUTE YOUR WEAPONS.

IT'S NOT LIKE BUILDING A RECONSTITUTE YOUR WEAPONS.

IT'S NOT LIKE BUILDING A NUCLEAR BOTTOM I FIND THAT SO IT'S NOT LIKE BUILDING A NUCLEAR BOTTOM I FIND THAT SO EASTERN COURAGING THOUGH.

NUCLEAR BOTTOM I FIND THAT SO EASTERN COURAGING THOUGH.

HE IS NOT GOING TO LAUNCH ANY EASTERN COURAGING THOUGH.

HE IS NOT GOING TO LAUNCH ANY CHEMICAL ATTACKS WHILE THE U.N.

HE IS NOT GOING TO LAUNCH ANY CHEMICAL ATTACKS WHILE THE U.N. AND OTHERS ARE TRYING TO GET CHEMICAL ATTACKS WHILE THE U.N. AND OTHERS ARE TRYING TO GET HIM TO PUT ALL -- AND OTHERS ARE TRYING TO GET HIM TO PUT ALL -- >> THAT'S THE OTHER ARGUMENT.

HIM TO PUT ALL -- >> THAT'S THE OTHER ARGUMENT.

THE WHITE HOUSE AND >> THAT'S THE OTHER ARGUMENT.

THE WHITE HOUSE AND ADMINISTRATION ARE MAKING THE THE WHITE HOUSE AND ADMINISTRATION ARE MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT A LONG, ADMINISTRATION ARE MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT A LONG, PROTRACTED, ANNOYING, DIFFICULT ARGUMENT THAT A LONG, PROTRACTED, ANNOYING, DIFFICULT NEGOTIATION IS ACTUALLY GOOD PROTRACTED, ANNOYING, DIFFICULT NEGOTIATION IS ACTUALLY GOOD BECAUSE DURING THAT AT LEAST NEGOTIATION IS ACTUALLY GOOD BECAUSE DURING THAT AT LEAST THERE IS A DETERRENT EFFECT.

BECAUSE DURING THAT AT LEAST THERE IS A DETERRENT EFFECT.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, THAT THERE IS A DETERRENT EFFECT.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, THAT GUARANTEES THAT ASSAD STAYS IN >> AT THE SAME TIME, THAT GUARANTEES THAT ASSAD STAYS IN POWER AND -- GUARANTEES THAT ASSAD STAYS IN POWER AND -- >> DELAY IS ITS OWN THING.

POWER AND -- >> DELAY IS ITS OWN THING.

ASSAD IS AN INTERESTING >> DELAY IS ITS OWN THING.

ASSAD IS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER IN ALL OF THIS, ISN'T ASSAD IS AN INTERESTING CHARACTER IN ALL OF THIS, ISN'T HE, JANE -- JAMES?

CHARACTER IN ALL OF THIS, ISN'T HE, JANE -- JAMES?

YOU WROTE A REALLY INTERESTING HE, JANE -- JAMES?

YOU WROTE A REALLY INTERESTING PROFILE OF HIM.

YOU WROTE A REALLY INTERESTING PROFILE OF HIM.

>> HE IS.

PROFILE OF HIM.

>> HE IS.

HE'S SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN >> HE IS.

HE'S SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN UNDERESTIMATED SINCE HE CAME TO HE'S SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN UNDERESTIMATED SINCE HE CAME TO POWER.

UNDERESTIMATED SINCE HE CAME TO POWER.

HE PUTS ON THAT WESTERN SUIT POWER.

HE PUTS ON THAT WESTERN SUIT AND MOURNFUL MORTICIANS' GAZED HE PUTS ON THAT WESTERN SUIT AND MOURNFUL MORTICIANS' GAZED THINKING HE CAN BE HAD AND HE AND MOURNFUL MORTICIANS' GAZED THINKING HE CAN BE HAD AND HE KEEPS SURPRISING PEOPLE.

THINKING HE CAN BE HAD AND HE KEEPS SURPRISING PEOPLE.

HE'S A MASTER OF PROPAGANDA AND KEEPS SURPRISING PEOPLE.

HE'S A MASTER OF PROPAGANDA AND VERY SHREWD.

HE'S A MASTER OF PROPAGANDA AND VERY SHREWD.

HE'S SAID THINGS LIKE, WE PLAY VERY SHREWD.

HE'S SAID THINGS LIKE, WE PLAY A GAME WITH THE U.N.

BUT DON'T HE'S SAID THINGS LIKE, WE PLAY A GAME WITH THE U.N.

BUT DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

A GAME WITH THE U.N.

BUT DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

GWEN: LET'S LISTEN TO A BIT OF TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

GWEN: LET'S LISTEN TO A BIT OF THE CHARLIE ROSE INTERVIEW THIS GWEN: LET'S LISTEN TO A BIT OF THE CHARLIE ROSE INTERVIEW THIS WEEK.

THE CHARLIE ROSE INTERVIEW THIS WEEK.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE THE DOCTOR TO WEEK.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE THE DOCTOR TO THAT THE LINK TO PREVENT THE >> WHEN YOU HAVE THE DOCTOR TO THAT THE LINK TO PREVENT THE PATIENT FROM THE GANG GREENE, THAT THE LINK TO PREVENT THE PATIENT FROM THE GANG GREENE, YOU DON'T CALL HIM, YOU CALL A PATIENT FROM THE GANG GREENE, YOU DON'T CALL HIM, YOU CALL A DOCTOR.

YOU DON'T CALL HIM, YOU CALL A DOCTOR.

WHEN YOU HAVE TERRORISM, YOU DOCTOR.

WHEN YOU HAVE TERRORISM, YOU HAVE WAR.

WHEN YOU HAVE TERRORISM, YOU HAVE WAR.

GWEN: SO HIS IDEA IS THEY'RE HAVE WAR.

GWEN: SO HIS IDEA IS THEY'RE TERRORISTS.

GWEN: SO HIS IDEA IS THEY'RE TERRORISTS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHO WE TERRORISTS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHO WE ARE KILLING THE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHO WE ARE KILLING THE >> THIS IS HIS BRILLIANT, ARE KILLING THE >> THIS IS HIS BRILLIANT, SHREWD, CIRCULAR LOGIC.

>> THIS IS HIS BRILLIANT, SHREWD, CIRCULAR LOGIC.

IT STARTED AS A YOUTHFUL SHREWD, CIRCULAR LOGIC.

IT STARTED AS A YOUTHFUL PROTEST AGAINST DECADES OF RULE IT STARTED AS A YOUTHFUL PROTEST AGAINST DECADES OF RULE BY HIS FAMILY.

PROTEST AGAINST DECADES OF RULE BY HIS FAMILY.

HE KNOWS THE WAY TO HANG ON TO BY HIS FAMILY.

HE KNOWS THE WAY TO HANG ON TO POWER IS PUT THIS AS A HE KNOWS THE WAY TO HANG ON TO POWER IS PUT THIS AS A CTARIAN WAR, IF HIS MINORITY POWER IS PUT THIS AS A CTARIAN WAR, IF HIS MINORITY DRUZE AND ALLOITES ARE MURDER, CTARIAN WAR, IF HIS MINORITY DRUZE AND ALLOITES ARE MURDER, THEN HE INVITES THE JIHADIES IN DRUZE AND ALLOITES ARE MURDER, THEN HE INVITES THE JIHADIES IN AND GETS A SECTARIAN WAR.

THEN HE INVITES THE JIHADIES IN AND GETS A SECTARIAN WAR.

>> THE WORD TERROR IS ALL OVER AND GETS A SECTARIAN WAR.

>> THE WORD TERROR IS ALL OVER THE MIDDLE EAST NOW.

>> THE WORD TERROR IS ALL OVER THE MIDDLE EAST NOW.

IN EGYPT THEY CALL THE MUSLIM THE MIDDLE EAST NOW.

IN EGYPT THEY CALL THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD THE TERRORISTS THE IN EGYPT THEY CALL THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD THE TERRORISTS THE >> HE EVEN INVOKED 9/11 IN BROTHERHOOD THE TERRORISTS THE >> HE EVEN INVOKED 9/11 IN MAKING THE CASE.

>> HE EVEN INVOKED 9/11 IN MAKING THE CASE.

>> THAT'S WHAT PUTIN DID TOO.

MAKING THE CASE.

>> THAT'S WHAT PUTIN DID TOO.

HE SAID YOU'RE ON THE WRONG >> THAT'S WHAT PUTIN DID TOO.

HE SAID YOU'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE, YOU ARE HELPING AL QAEDA HE SAID YOU'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE, YOU ARE HELPING AL QAEDA AGAINST A STABLE, EVEN IF YOU SIDE, YOU ARE HELPING AL QAEDA AGAINST A STABLE, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM, AUTHORITARIAN AGAINST A STABLE, EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM, AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT.

DON'T LIKE HIM, AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT.

IT'S A PLEAL TO WHAT HE SEES AT GOVERNMENT.

IT'S A PLEAL TO WHAT HE SEES AT HOME IN RUSSIA WHERE HE'S IT'S A PLEAL TO WHAT HE SEES AT HOME IN RUSSIA WHERE HE'S FOUGHT AN INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT HOME IN RUSSIA WHERE HE'S FOUGHT AN INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT IN CHETCH NIA THAT'S MORPHED FOUGHT AN INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENT IN CHETCH NIA THAT'S MORPHED INTO A CAUSE CELEBRERE FOR IN CHETCH NIA THAT'S MORPHED INTO A CAUSE CELEBRERE FOR APOLOGY HADDISTS AROUND THE INTO A CAUSE CELEBRERE FOR APOLOGY HADDISTS AROUND THE WORLD THE APOLOGY HADDISTS AROUND THE WORLD THE >> THE RUSSIANS HAVE A SPHERE WORLD THE >> THE RUSSIANS HAVE A SPHERE OF INFLUENCE NOW IN THE MIDDLE >> THE RUSSIANS HAVE A SPHERE OF INFLUENCE NOW IN THE MIDDLE EAST THEY HAVE NOT HAD SINCE OF INFLUENCE NOW IN THE MIDDLE EAST THEY HAVE NOT HAD SINCE SAD -- THEY WERE KICKED OUT.

EAST THEY HAVE NOT HAD SINCE SAD -- THEY WERE KICKED OUT.

AND WE SAW THAT ASTOUNDING SAD -- THEY WERE KICKED OUT.

AND WE SAW THAT ASTOUNDING OP-ED IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

AND WE SAW THAT ASTOUNDING OP-ED IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

GWEN: LET'S LOOK AT A LITTLE OP-ED IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

GWEN: LET'S LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

GWEN: LET'S LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

IT WAS HIS FINAL POINT HE WAS BIT OF IT.

IT WAS HIS FINAL POINT HE WAS MAKING AFTER ARGUING AMONG IT WAS HIS FINAL POINT HE WAS MAKING AFTER ARGUING AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT THE U.S. IS MAKING AFTER ARGUING AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT THE U.S. IS ON 9 WRONG SIDE.

OTHER THINGS THAT THE U.S. IS ON 9 WRONG SIDE.

IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO ON 9 WRONG SIDE.

IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IT SEE IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IT SEE THEMSELVES AS EXCEPTIONAL, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE IT SEE THEMSELVES AS EXCEPTIONAL, WHATEVER THE MOTIVATION.

THEMSELVES AS EXCEPTIONAL, WHATEVER THE MOTIVATION.

THERE ARE BIG COUNTRIES, SMALL WHATEVER THE MOTIVATION.

THERE ARE BIG COUNTRIES, SMALL COUNTRIES, THOSE WITH THERE ARE BIG COUNTRIES, SMALL COUNTRIES, THOSE WITH DEMOCRATIC TRADITIONED AND COUNTRIES, THOSE WITH DEMOCRATIC TRADITIONED AND THOSE FINDING THEIR WAY TO DEMOCRATIC TRADITIONED AND THOSE FINDING THEIR WAY TO DEMOCRACY.

THOSE FINDING THEIR WAY TO DEMOCRACY.

WHEN WE ASK FOR THE LORD'S DEMOCRACY.

WHEN WE ASK FOR THE LORD'S BLESSINGS WE MUST NOT FORGET WHEN WE ASK FOR THE LORD'S BLESSINGS WE MUST NOT FORGET GOTD CREATED US ALL EQUALLE.

BLESSINGS WE MUST NOT FORGET GOTD CREATED US ALL EQUALLE.

ZING!

GOTD CREATED US ALL EQUALLE.

ZING!

>> I SPENT FOUR YEARS IN MOSCOW ZING!

>> I SPENT FOUR YEARS IN MOSCOW LIST -- AND IT'S FASCINATING TO >> I SPENT FOUR YEARS IN MOSCOW LIST -- AND IT'S FASCINATING TO HEAR HIM SAY THAT.

LIST -- AND IT'S FASCINATING TO HEAR HIM SAY THAT.

HE THINKS OF RUSSIAN GREATNESS, HEAR HIM SAY THAT.

HE THINKS OF RUSSIAN GREATNESS, HE DOES NOT THINK RUSSIA IS THE HE THINKS OF RUSSIAN GREATNESS, HE DOES NOT THINK RUSSIA IS THE EQUAL OF THE NETHERLANDS OR HE DOES NOT THINK RUSSIA IS THE EQUAL OF THE NETHERLANDS OR ZAMBIA.

EQUAL OF THE NETHERLANDS OR ZAMBIA.

BUT HE HAS UNITED THE DEMOCRATS ZAMBIA.

BUT HE HAS UNITED THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AGAINST HIM.

BUT HE HAS UNITED THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AGAINST HIM.

THE REACTION WAS VERY STRONG.

AND REPUBLICANS AGAINST HIM.

THE REACTION WAS VERY STRONG.

>> FUNNY, IRONIC TO HEAR THE REACTION WAS VERY STRONG.

>> FUNNY, IRONIC TO HEAR AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM POP UP >> FUNNY, IRONIC TO HEAR AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM POP UP AGAIN BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE HEARD AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM POP UP AGAIN BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE HEARD OF IT IS MOSTLY COMING INTO OUR AGAIN BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE HEARD OF IT IS MOSTLY COMING INTO OUR POLITICAL DEBATE WITH THE RIGHT OF IT IS MOSTLY COMING INTO OUR POLITICAL DEBATE WITH THE RIGHT ACCUSING PRESIDENT OBAMA OF POLITICAL DEBATE WITH THE RIGHT ACCUSING PRESIDENT OBAMA OF BEING INSUFFICIENTLY COMMITTED ACCUSING PRESIDENT OBAMA OF BEING INSUFFICIENTLY COMMITTED TO AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM AND BEING INSUFFICIENTLY COMMITTED TO AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM AND NOW YOU HAVE PUTIN SAYING THIS TO AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM AND NOW YOU HAVE PUTIN SAYING THIS GUY IS GOING OVERBOARD WITH NOW YOU HAVE PUTIN SAYING THIS GUY IS GOING OVERBOARD WITH AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.

GUY IS GOING OVERBOARD WITH AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.

>> RUSSIA IS A DECLINING MANGE AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.

>> RUSSIA IS A DECLINING MANGE POWER THAT HAS A PERMANENT SEAT >> RUSSIA IS A DECLINING MANGE POWER THAT HAS A PERMANENT SEAT ON THE UNUP SECURITY COUNCIL.

POWER THAT HAS A PERMANENT SEAT ON THE UNUP SECURITY COUNCIL.

SO ANY IDEA THAT WE ARE ON THE UNUP SECURITY COUNCIL.

SO ANY IDEA THAT WE ARE EXCEPTIONAL IN A WAY THAT SO ANY IDEA THAT WE ARE EXCEPTIONAL IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO USE FORCE WITHOUT EXCEPTIONAL IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO USE FORCE WITHOUT GOING TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL ALLOWS US TO USE FORCE WITHOUT GOING TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE GOING TO THE SECURITY COUNCIL IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE REJECTED.

IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE REJECTED.

CHINA SAID THE SAME THING.

REJECTED.

CHINA SAID THE SAME THING.

PROBABLY FRANCE AND BRITAIN, CHINA SAID THE SAME THING.

PROBABLY FRANCE AND BRITAIN, TOO.

PROBABLY FRANCE AND BRITAIN, TOO.

THEY ARE VERY JEALOUS OF THIS, TOO.

THEY ARE VERY JEALOUS OF THIS, MAJOR POWERS HAVE A VETO ON THE THEY ARE VERY JEALOUS OF THIS, MAJOR POWERS HAVE A VETO ON THE SECURITY COUNCIL.

MAJOR POWERS HAVE A VETO ON THE SECURITY COUNCIL.

FOR US TO SUGGEST THAT WE ARE SECURITY COUNCIL.

FOR US TO SUGGEST THAT WE ARE ABOVE THAT DRIVES THEM CRAZY.

FOR US TO SUGGEST THAT WE ARE ABOVE THAT DRIVES THEM CRAZY.

>> WHAT'S EXCEPTIONAL IS WHERE ABOVE THAT DRIVES THEM CRAZY.

>> WHAT'S EXCEPTIONAL IS WHERE WE'VE COME IN THE LAST WEEK >> WHAT'S EXCEPTIONAL IS WHERE WE'VE COME IN THE LAST WEEK WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN -- WHO WE'VE COME IN THE LAST WEEK WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN -- WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT VLADIMIR WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN -- WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS THE MAN WHO IS BAILING WOULD HAVE THOUGHT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS THE MAN WHO IS BAILING OUT BARACK OBAMA?

PUTIN IS THE MAN WHO IS BAILING OUT BARACK OBAMA?

GWEN: WE'VE BEEN SO BUSY OUT BARACK OBAMA?

GWEN: WE'VE BEEN SO BUSY WATCHING THEIR BODY LANGUAGE AT GWEN: WE'VE BEEN SO BUSY WATCHING THEIR BODY LANGUAGE AT INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS, WHEN WATCHING THEIR BODY LANGUAGE AT INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS, WHEN KNEW THEY WERE TALKING ON THE INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS, WHEN KNEW THEY WERE TALKING ON THE SIDE.

KNEW THEY WERE TALKING ON THE SIDE.

AND THERE IS SOMETHING SIDE.

AND THERE IS SOMETHING REVEALING ABOUT THE WAY THIS AND THERE IS SOMETHING REVEALING ABOUT THE WAY THIS WEEK PLAYED OUT.

REVEALING ABOUT THE WAY THIS WEEK PLAYED OUT.

AT THE BEGINNING, THE PRESIDENT WEEK PLAYED OUT.

AT THE BEGINNING, THE PRESIDENT ASKED THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF AT THE BEGINNING, THE PRESIDENT ASKED THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND REPUBLICAN ASKED THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEADER TO ENDOR SAID Y.

THE HOUSE AND REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEADER TO ENDOR SAID Y.

EVEN THE PEACENIK DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY LEADER TO ENDOR SAID Y.

EVEN THE PEACENIK DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY LEADER IN THE HOUSE, EVEN THE PEACENIK DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY LEADER IN THE HOUSE, NANCY PELOSI SAID YES, WE'RE MAJORITY LEADER IN THE HOUSE, NANCY PELOSI SAID YES, WE'RE FOR MILITARY STRIKES.

NANCY PELOSI SAID YES, WE'RE FOR MILITARY STRIKES.

NOW THEY WERE OUT THERE FOR MILITARY STRIKES.

NOW THEY WERE OUT THERE LANGUISHING ON A LIMB BEFORE NOW THEY WERE OUT THERE LANGUISHING ON A LIMB BEFORE THE PUTIN GAMBIT.

LANGUISHING ON A LIMB BEFORE THE PUTIN GAMBIT.

WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE THE THE PUTIN GAMBIT.

WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF THE WAY WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE THE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF THE WAY HE IS VIEWED AND HIS LEVERAGE PRESIDENT IN TERMS OF THE WAY HE IS VIEWED AND HIS LEVERAGE AND WHETHER THIS WEEK IS A HE IS VIEWED AND HIS LEVERAGE AND WHETHER THIS WEEK IS A GRAND PLAN AS THE WHITE HOUSE AND WHETHER THIS WEEK IS A GRAND PLAN AS THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS OR JUST A SERIES OF FATAL GRAND PLAN AS THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS OR JUST A SERIES OF FATAL STUMBLES?

SAYS OR JUST A SERIES OF FATAL STUMBLES?

>> I AM WONDERING.

STUMBLES?

>> I AM WONDERING.

THIS WHOLE DECISION TO GO TO >> I AM WONDERING.

THIS WHOLE DECISION TO GO TO CONGRESS WAS JUST ESSENTIALLY THIS WHOLE DECISION TO GO TO CONGRESS WAS JUST ESSENTIALLY CALLING THEIR BLUFF, SAYING CONGRESS WAS JUST ESSENTIALLY CALLING THEIR BLUFF, SAYING SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC IS CALLING THEIR BLUFF, SAYING SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC IS HAPPENING HERE, I'M PUTTING IT SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC IS HAPPENING HERE, I'M PUTTING IT IN YOUR LAP.

HAPPENING HERE, I'M PUTTING IT IN YOUR LAP.

I DO WANDER -- WONDER IF THERE IN YOUR LAP.

I DO WANDER -- WONDER IF THERE IS SUDDENLY THIS KIND OF CALL I DO WANDER -- WONDER IF THERE IS SUDDENLY THIS KIND OF CALL THEIR BLUFF ATTITUDE, WHETHER IS SUDDENLY THIS KIND OF CALL THEIR BLUFF ATTITUDE, WHETHER THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO ALSO THEIR BLUFF ATTITUDE, WHETHER THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO ALSO BE BRINGING THAT TO THE THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO ALSO BE BRINGING THAT TO THE DOMESTIC SHOWDOWNS WE SEE BE BRINGING THAT TO THE DOMESTIC SHOWDOWNS WE SEE COMING UP OVER THE DEBT DOMESTIC SHOWDOWNS WE SEE COMING UP OVER THE DEBT CEILING, OVER THE END OF THE COMING UP OVER THE DEBT CEILING, OVER THE END OF THE SCAL YEAR, OVER THE NEXT CR, CEILING, OVER THE END OF THE SCAL YEAR, OVER THE NEXT CR, CONTINUING RESOLUTION, TO KEEP SCAL YEAR, OVER THE NEXT CR, CONTINUING RESOLUTION, TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OPERATING?

CONTINUING RESOLUTION, TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OPERATING?

BECAUSE JOHN BOEHNER'S GOT A THE GOVERNMENT OPERATING?

BECAUSE JOHN BOEHNER'S GOT A REAL PROBLEM HERE.

BECAUSE JOHN BOEHNER'S GOT A REAL PROBLEM HERE.

A THIRD OF HIS CAUCUS WANTS TO REAL PROBLEM HERE.

A THIRD OF HIS CAUCUS WANTS TO SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN OVER A THIRD OF HIS CAUCUS WANTS TO SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN OVER DEFUNDING OBAMACARE.

SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN OVER DEFUNDING OBAMACARE.

GWEN: DOES THE PRESIDENT FIND DEFUNDING OBAMACARE.

GWEN: DOES THE PRESIDENT FIND HIMSELF AS -- AT A DISADVANTAGE GWEN: DOES THE PRESIDENT FIND HIMSELF AS -- AT A DISADVANTAGE WHEN HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S BUYING HIMSELF AS -- AT A DISADVANTAGE WHEN HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S BUYING TIME AND DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN?

WHEN HE LOOKS LIKE HE'S BUYING TIME AND DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN?

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

TIME AND DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN?

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

THE QUINONES -- CONSENSUS IN >> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

THE QUINONES -- CONSENSUS IN WASHINGTON IS HE DIDN'T COME THE QUINONES -- CONSENSUS IN WASHINGTON IS HE DIDN'T COME ACROSS AS DECISIVE AND THE WASHINGTON IS HE DIDN'T COME ACROSS AS DECISIVE AND THE DECISION TO GO TO CONGRESS WAS ACROSS AS DECISIVE AND THE DECISION TO GO TO CONGRESS WAS MADE SPORT OF SPUR OF THE DECISION TO GO TO CONGRESS WAS MADE SPORT OF SPUR OF THE MOMENT, DURING A 45-MINUTE WALK MADE SPORT OF SPUR OF THE MOMENT, DURING A 45-MINUTE WALK AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.

MOMENT, DURING A 45-MINUTE WALK AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.

GWEN: YOU THINK IT WAS SPUR OF AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN.

GWEN: YOU THINK IT WAS SPUR OF THE MOMENT?

GWEN: YOU THINK IT WAS SPUR OF THE MOMENT?

>> SPUR OF THE HOUR MAYBE THE THE MOMENT?

>> SPUR OF THE HOUR MAYBE THE >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN HIS >> SPUR OF THE HOUR MAYBE THE >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN HIS HEAD, BUT IF YOU ASK AIDES, >> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN HIS HEAD, BUT IF YOU ASK AIDES, THEY HAD NOT DISCUSSED THIS AS HEAD, BUT IF YOU ASK AIDES, THEY HAD NOT DISCUSSED THIS AS THESE ARE E AND SO THEY HAD NOT DISCUSSED THIS AS THESE ARE E AND SO SECRETARIES OF STATE AND THESE ARE E AND SO SECRETARIES OF STATE AND DEFENSE.

SECRETARIES OF STATE AND DEFENSE.

VERY UNOBAMA-LIKE PROCESS, DEFENSE.

VERY UNOBAMA-LIKE PROCESS, RIGHT?

VERY UNOBAMA-LIKE PROCESS, RIGHT?

HE'S THE MASTER OF PROCESS.

RIGHT?

HE'S THE MASTER OF PROCESS.

I'M THE UN-BUSH, RIGHT, I'M HE'S THE MASTER OF PROCESS.

I'M THE UN-BUSH, RIGHT, I'M GOING TO HAVE A LONG, I'M THE UN-BUSH, RIGHT, I'M GOING TO HAVE A LONG, THOUGHTFUL, DELIBERATIVE GOING TO HAVE A LONG, THOUGHTFUL, DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.

THOUGHTFUL, DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.

HERE HE MADE A RELATIVELY PROCESS.

HERE HE MADE A RELATIVELY SPONTANEOUS DECISION THAT HERE HE MADE A RELATIVELY SPONTANEOUS DECISION THAT HASN'T WORKED OUT.

SPONTANEOUS DECISION THAT HASN'T WORKED OUT.

>> THEY WERE READY TO LAUNCH HASN'T WORKED OUT.

>> THEY WERE READY TO LAUNCH THOSE STRIKES.

>> THEY WERE READY TO LAUNCH THOSE STRIKES.

WE WERE READY TO GO.

THOSE STRIKES.

WE WERE READY TO GO.

MY GUESS IS THAT BY MONDAY THE WE WERE READY TO GO.

MY GUESS IS THAT BY MONDAY THE STRIKES PROBABLY WOULD HAVE MY GUESS IS THAT BY MONDAY THE STRIKES PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY.

STRIKES PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY.

>> IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT HAPPENED ALREADY.

>> IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT BECAUSE IT'S VERY WORRISOME >> IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT BECAUSE IT'S VERY WORRISOME WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T USE BECAUSE IT'S VERY WORRISOME WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T USE THE PROCESS TO VET THE IDEA, GO WHEN THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T USE THE PROCESS TO VET THE IDEA, GO TO THE PARTIES AND PRINCIPLES THE PROCESS TO VET THE IDEA, GO TO THE PARTIES AND PRINCIPLES AND VET THE IDEA BEFORE YOU TO THE PARTIES AND PRINCIPLES AND VET THE IDEA BEFORE YOU SENT -- SEND IT TO CONGRESS.

AND VET THE IDEA BEFORE YOU SENT -- SEND IT TO CONGRESS.

NONE OF THAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN.

SENT -- SEND IT TO CONGRESS.

NONE OF THAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN.

THAT SEEMED TO ME VERY NONE OF THAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN.

THAT SEEMED TO ME VERY RECKLESS.

THAT SEEMED TO ME VERY RECKLESS.

NOW HE KNOWS THAT CONGRESS RECKLESS.

NOW HE KNOWS THAT CONGRESS WOULD OPPOSE HIM, SO IF THIS NOW HE KNOWS THAT CONGRESS WOULD OPPOSE HIM, SO IF THIS FALLS PART -- WOULD OPPOSE HIM, SO IF THIS FALLS PART -- GWEN: WAS IT BECAUSE HE HAD A FALLS PART -- GWEN: WAS IT BECAUSE HE HAD A DIPLOMATIC MAN IN HIS HIP GWEN: WAS IT BECAUSE HE HAD A DIPLOMATIC MAN IN HIS HIP POCKET?

DIPLOMATIC MAN IN HIS HIP POCKET?

>> THERE WAS A LITTLE PLANNING.

POCKET?

>> THERE WAS A LITTLE PLANNING.

HE HAD TALKED TO PUTIN BUT -- >> THERE WAS A LITTLE PLANNING.

HE HAD TALKED TO PUTIN BUT -- GWEN: AND PER -- KERRY HAD BEEN HE HAD TALKED TO PUTIN BUT -- GWEN: AND PER -- KERRY HAD BEEN TALKING TO LAVROV.

GWEN: AND PER -- KERRY HAD BEEN TALKING TO LAVROV.

>> KERRY'S COMMENT ENDS WITH TALKING TO LAVROV.

>> KERRY'S COMMENT ENDS WITH UNLESS THEY TURN THEM OVER IN >> KERRY'S COMMENT ENDS WITH UNLESS THEY TURN THEM OVER IN THE NEXT WEEK.

UNLESS THEY TURN THEM OVER IN THE NEXT WEEK.

AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO THE NEXT WEEK.

AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAMILTON AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAMILTON GWEN: AND WE HAD A BIG EAST HAMILTON GWEN: AND WE HAD A BIG EAST ROOM NATIONAL PRIME TIME GWEN: AND WE HAD A BIG EAST ROOM NATIONAL PRIME TIME ADDRESS THIS WEEK AFTER THE ROOM NATIONAL PRIME TIME ADDRESS THIS WEEK AFTER THE PRESIDENT HAD DECIDED TO SEEK A ADDRESS THIS WEEK AFTER THE PRESIDENT HAD DECIDED TO SEEK A DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION.

PRESIDENT HAD DECIDED TO SEEK A DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION.

SO ON ONE HAND HE SAID THESE DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION.

SO ON ONE HAND HE SAID THESE ARE THE REASON ONS -- REASONS SO ON ONE HAND HE SAID THESE ARE THE REASON ONS -- REASONS WE SHOULD STRIKE BUT I'M THE ARE THE REASON ONS -- REASONS WE SHOULD STRIKE BUT I'M THE PRESIDENT OF A CONSTITUTIONAL WE SHOULD STRIKE BUT I'M THE PRESIDENT OF A CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY AND THESE ARE THE PRESIDENT OF A CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE SHOULD SEEK DEMOCRACY AND THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE SHOULD SEEK DIPLOMACY.

REASONS WHY WE SHOULD SEEK DIPLOMACY.

YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE ARE DIPLOMACY.

YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT OUR PLAN YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT OUR PLAN IS?

CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT OUR PLAN IS?

>> I THINK HE HAD TO DO THAT IS?

>> I THINK HE HAD TO DO THAT SPEECH.

>> I THINK HE HAD TO DO THAT SPEECH.

THERE WAS NO WAY OUT.

SPEECH.

THERE WAS NO WAY OUT.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW HE THERE WAS NO WAY OUT.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW HE DROPPED THAT SPEECH AFTER I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW HE DROPPED THAT SPEECH AFTER SAYING HE WAS GOING -- GOING TO DROPPED THAT SPEECH AFTER SAYING HE WAS GOING -- GOING TO DO IT ON THAT TUESDAY.

SAYING HE WAS GOING -- GOING TO DO IT ON THAT TUESDAY.

I THINK IT GAVE TOO MUCH TO THE DO IT ON THAT TUESDAY.

I THINK IT GAVE TOO MUCH TO THE DIPLOMATIC PLAN.

I THINK IT GAVE TOO MUCH TO THE DIPLOMATIC PLAN.

IF HE DROPPED THAT SPEECH HE DIPLOMATIC PLAN.

IF HE DROPPED THAT SPEECH HE WOULD BE SAYING I'M CONFIDENT IF HE DROPPED THAT SPEECH HE WOULD BE SAYING I'M CONFIDENT THIS WILL WORK.

WOULD BE SAYING I'M CONFIDENT THIS WILL WORK.

SO HE ENDS UP GIVE THE SPEECH THIS WILL WORK.

SO HE ENDS UP GIVE THE SPEECH ABOUT GOING AFTER THEM SO HE ENDS UP GIVE THE SPEECH ABOUT GOING AFTER THEM MILITARILY BUT WAIT A MINUTE, ABOUT GOING AFTER THEM MILITARILY BUT WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE NOT NOW.

MILITARILY BUT WAIT A MINUTE, MAYBE NOT NOW.

>> AND I WILL SAY TWO PEOPLE MAYBE NOT NOW.

>> AND I WILL SAY TWO PEOPLE WHO SEEMED TO TAKE HIM >> AND I WILL SAY TWO PEOPLE WHO SEEMED TO TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY ON THE MILITARY WHO SEEMED TO TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY ON THE MILITARY THREAT ARE VLADIMIR PUTIN AND SERIOUSLY ON THE MILITARY THREAT ARE VLADIMIR PUTIN AND BASHAR AL-ASSAD.

THREAT ARE VLADIMIR PUTIN AND BASHAR AL-ASSAD.

HE'S GOING FROM DENYING HE HAD BASHAR AL-ASSAD.

HE'S GOING FROM DENYING HE HAD CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO ASKING TO HE'S GOING FROM DENYING HE HAD CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO ASKING TO JOIN THE CONVENTION IN A WEEK CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO ASKING TO JOIN THE CONVENTION IN A WEEK THE JOIN THE CONVENTION IN A WEEK THE GWEN: RIGHT, WHEN CHARLIE ROSE THE GWEN: RIGHT, WHEN CHARLIE ROSE ASKED HIM FIRST, HE SAID, WHAT GWEN: RIGHT, WHEN CHARLIE ROSE ASKED HIM FIRST, HE SAID, WHAT CHEMICAL WEAPONS?

ASKED HIM FIRST, HE SAID, WHAT CHEMICAL WEAPONS?

>> AND IT MAY BE IN A MONTH OR CHEMICAL WEAPONS?

>> AND IT MAY BE IN A MONTH OR TWO IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL >> AND IT MAY BE IN A MONTH OR TWO IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL AGREEMENT, WITH ENFORCEMENT AND TWO IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL AGREEMENT, WITH ENFORCEMENT AND VERIFYIBLE -- VERIFIABLE, IF AGREEMENT, WITH ENFORCEMENT AND VERIFYIBLE -- VERIFIABLE, IF IT'S LIKE LIBYA 2003, WE WON'T VERIFYIBLE -- VERIFIABLE, IF IT'S LIKE LIBYA 2003, WE WON'T REMEMBER THIS MESSY BUILDUP.

IT'S LIKE LIBYA 2003, WE WON'T REMEMBER THIS MESSY BUILDUP.

GWEN: WE'LL REMEMBER IT BUT HE REMEMBER THIS MESSY BUILDUP.

GWEN: WE'LL REMEMBER IT BUT HE WON'T LOOK QUITE AS BAD AS HE GWEN: WE'LL REMEMBER IT BUT HE WON'T LOOK QUITE AS BAD AS HE LOOKED.

WON'T LOOK QUITE AS BAD AS HE LOOKED.

>> HE'LL LOOK LIKE DOUG FLUTIE LOOKED.

>> HE'LL LOOK LIKE DOUG FLUTIE THROWING THAT HAIL MARY!

>> HE'LL LOOK LIKE DOUG FLUTIE THROWING THAT HAIL MARY!

>> EVERYONE WILL ALWAYS GO BACK THROWING THAT HAIL MARY!

>> EVERYONE WILL ALWAYS GO BACK TO BE THE DAY HE TALKED ABOUT >> EVERYONE WILL ALWAYS GO BACK TO BE THE DAY HE TALKED ABOUT THAT RED LINE.

TO BE THE DAY HE TALKED ABOUT THAT RED LINE.

HE DIDN'T ASK CONGRESS ABOUT THAT RED LINE.

HE DIDN'T ASK CONGRESS ABOUT MAKING THAT THREAT.

HE DIDN'T ASK CONGRESS ABOUT MAKING THAT THREAT.

THE DAY HE SAID THAT IS THE KAY MAKING THAT THREAT.

THE DAY HE SAID THAT IS THE KAY HE -- DAY HE PUT HIMSELF IN A THE DAY HE SAID THAT IS THE KAY HE -- DAY HE PUT HIMSELF IN A BOX.

HE -- DAY HE PUT HIMSELF IN A BOX.

GWEN: IT'S GOING TO BE VERY BOX.

GWEN: IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

GWEN: IT'S GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

I THIS THE ARGUMENTS ARE GOING INTERESTING.

I THIS THE ARGUMENTS ARE GOING TO, MAYBE INSTOFD LIKE WE THOUG I THIS THE ARGUMENTS ARE GOING TO, MAYBE INSTOFD LIKE WE THOUG WEEK, WILL BE PLAYING OUT FOR TO, MAYBE INSTOFD LIKE WE THOUG WEEK, WILL BE PLAYING OUT FOR SOME TIME TO COME.

WEEK, WILL BE PLAYING OUT FOR SOME TIME TO COME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SOME TIME TO COME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE CONVERSATION DOES HAVE TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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