GWEN: THE BEGINNING OF THE END IN AFGHANISTAN.

GWEN: THE BEGINNING OF THE END IN AFGHANISTAN.

THE END OF THE BEGINNING ON IN AFGHANISTAN.

THE END OF THE BEGINNING ON IMMIGRATION REFORM.

THE END OF THE BEGINNING ON IMMIGRATION REFORM.

AND SECRETS, SECRETS, SECRETS.

IMMIGRATION REFORM.

AND SECRETS, SECRETS, SECRETS.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

AND SECRETS, SECRETS, SECRETS.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

>> I AM VERY PLEASED TO SUPPORT TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

>> I AM VERY PLEASED TO SUPPORT WHAT I THINK IS THE MOST >> I AM VERY PLEASED TO SUPPORT WHAT I THINK IS THE MOST DRAMATIC AMENDMENT IN THE WHAT I THINK IS THE MOST DRAMATIC AMENDMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY TO DRAMATIC AMENDMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY TO SECURE OUR BORDER AT A TIME HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY TO SECURE OUR BORDER AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED IT SECURED.

SECURE OUR BORDER AT A TIME WHEN WE NEED IT SECURED.

GWEN: THE SENATE TAKES GIANT WHEN WE NEED IT SECURED.

GWEN: THE SENATE TAKES GIANT STEPS TOWARD IMMIGRATION GWEN: THE SENATE TAKES GIANT STEPS TOWARD IMMIGRATION REFORM.

STEPS TOWARD IMMIGRATION REFORM.

BUT IN THE HOUSE, NEW BATTLES REFORM.

BUT IN THE HOUSE, NEW BATTLES BREAK OUT.

BUT IN THE HOUSE, NEW BATTLES BREAK OUT.

>> IT'S SILLY.

BREAK OUT.

>> IT'S SILLY.

IT'S SAD.

>> IT'S SILLY.

IT'S SAD.

IT'S SAD.

IT'S JUVENILE.

IT'S JUVENILE.

IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL.

IT'S AMATEUR HOUR.

IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL.

IT'S AMATEUR HOUR.

GWEN: AS LAWMAKERS DEFECT ON IT'S AMATEUR HOUR.

GWEN: AS LAWMAKERS DEFECT ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, OVER A GWEN: AS LAWMAKERS DEFECT ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, OVER A MASSIVE FARM BILL.

THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, OVER A MASSIVE FARM BILL.

>> THE BILL IS NOT PASSED.

MASSIVE FARM BILL.

>> THE BILL IS NOT PASSED.

GWEN: WILL ANYTHING GET DONE >> THE BILL IS NOT PASSED.

GWEN: WILL ANYTHING GET DONE NOW?

GWEN: WILL ANYTHING GET DONE NOW?

THE PRESIDENT FOCUSES HIS NOW?

THE PRESIDENT FOCUSES HIS ENERGIES ABROAD.

THE PRESIDENT FOCUSES HIS ENERGIES ABROAD.

ON AFGHANISTAN.

ENERGIES ABROAD.

ON AFGHANISTAN.

>> WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT AT ON AFGHANISTAN.

>> WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT AT THE OUTSET, THERE WERE GOING TO >> WE HAD ANTICIPATED THAT AT THE OUTSET, THERE WERE GOING TO BE SOME AREAS OF FRICTION, TO THE OUTSET, THERE WERE GOING TO BE SOME AREAS OF FRICTION, TO PUT IT MILDLY, IN GETTING THIS BE SOME AREAS OF FRICTION, TO PUT IT MILDLY, IN GETTING THIS THING OFF THE GROUND.

PUT IT MILDLY, IN GETTING THIS THING OFF THE GROUND.

GWEN: AND ON SYRIA.

THING OFF THE GROUND.

GWEN: AND ON SYRIA.

>> WITH RESPECT TO SYRIA, WE DO GWEN: AND ON SYRIA.

>> WITH RESPECT TO SYRIA, WE DO HAVE DIFFERING PERSPECTIVES ON >> WITH RESPECT TO SYRIA, WE DO HAVE DIFFERING PERSPECTIVES ON THE PROBLEM.

HAVE DIFFERING PERSPECTIVES ON THE PROBLEM.

BUT WE SHARE AN INTEREST.

THE PROBLEM.

BUT WE SHARE AN INTEREST.

GWEN: BUT DOES HE HAVE THE BUT WE SHARE AN INTEREST.

GWEN: BUT DOES HE HAVE THE JUICE TO GET THINGS DONE?

GWEN: BUT DOES HE HAVE THE JUICE TO GET THINGS DONE?

AND MR. OBAMA STEPS UP HIS JUICE TO GET THINGS DONE?

AND MR. OBAMA STEPS UP HIS DEFENSE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S AND MR. OBAMA STEPS UP HIS DEFENSE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S EXTENSIVE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM.

DEFENSE OF THE GOVERNMENT'S EXTENSIVE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM.

>> WE KNOW OF AT LEAST 50 EXTENSIVE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM.

>> WE KNOW OF AT LEAST 50 THREATS THAT HAVE BEEN AVERTED >> WE KNOW OF AT LEAST 50 THREATS THAT HAVE BEEN AVERTED BECAUSE OF THIS INFORMATION.

THREATS THAT HAVE BEEN AVERTED BECAUSE OF THIS INFORMATION.

GWEN: COVERING AN EVENTFUL BECAUSE OF THIS INFORMATION.

GWEN: COVERING AN EVENTFUL WEEK, ED O'KEEFE OF "THE GWEN: COVERING AN EVENTFUL WEEK, ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON POST."

WEEK, ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON POST."

PETER GAMMONS OF "THE NEW YORK WASHINGTON POST."

PETER GAMMONS OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES."

PETER GAMMONS OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES."

TIMES."

-- PETER BAKER OF "THE NEW YORK -- PETER BAKER OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES."

INDIRA LAKSHMANAN OF BLOOMBERG TIMES."

INDIRA LAKSHMANAN OF BLOOMBERG NEWS AND TOM GJELTEN OF N.P.R.

>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS.

COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.

ANALYSIS.

COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH ONCE AGAIN LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IT APPEARS THE SENATE MAY HAVE GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IT APPEARS THE SENATE MAY HAVE FINALLY COME UP WITH A DEAL ON IT APPEARS THE SENATE MAY HAVE FINALLY COME UP WITH A DEAL ON IMMIGRATION THAT SPENDS A LOT FINALLY COME UP WITH A DEAL ON IMMIGRATION THAT SPENDS A LOT MORE MONEY ON BORDER SECURITY IMMIGRATION THAT SPENDS A LOT MORE MONEY ON BORDER SECURITY AND PROVIDES A PATH TO EVENTUAL MORE MONEY ON BORDER SECURITY AND PROVIDES A PATH TO EVENTUAL CITIZENSHIP FOR PEOPLE LIVING AND PROVIDES A PATH TO EVENTUAL CITIZENSHIP FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

CITIZENSHIP FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

GREAT NEWS, RIGHT?

IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

GREAT NEWS, RIGHT?

BUT DON'T TAKE YOUR EYE OFF THE GREAT NEWS, RIGHT?

BUT DON'T TAKE YOUR EYE OFF THE HOUSE.

BUT DON'T TAKE YOUR EYE OFF THE HOUSE.

WHICH STOPPED A HUGE HOUSE.

WHICH STOPPED A HUGE AGRICULTURE BILL, THE KIND OF WHICH STOPPED A HUGE AGRICULTURE BILL, THE KIND OF LEGISLATION THAT USED TO BE A AGRICULTURE BILL, THE KIND OF LEGISLATION THAT USED TO BE A SLAM DUNK IN ITS TRACKS.

LEGISLATION THAT USED TO BE A SLAM DUNK IN ITS TRACKS.

THAT'S WHERE THE IMMIGRATION SLAM DUNK IN ITS TRACKS.

THAT'S WHERE THE IMMIGRATION BILL COULD BE HEADED AS WELL.

THAT'S WHERE THE IMMIGRATION BILL COULD BE HEADED AS WELL.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY WAY OF BILL COULD BE HEADED AS WELL.

>> I DON'T SEE ANY WAY OF BRINGING AN IMMIGRATION BILL TO >> I DON'T SEE ANY WAY OF BRINGING AN IMMIGRATION BILL TO THE FLOOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BRINGING AN IMMIGRATION BILL TO THE FLOOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MAJORITY SUPPORT OF THE FLOOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MAJORITY SUPPORT OF REPUBLICANS.

MAJORITY SUPPORT OF REPUBLICANS.

GWEN: BUT JOHN BOEHNER COULDN'T REPUBLICANS.

GWEN: BUT JOHN BOEHNER COULDN'T GET MAJORITY SUPPORT ON THE GWEN: BUT JOHN BOEHNER COULDN'T GET MAJORITY SUPPORT ON THE FARM BILL, EITHER.

GET MAJORITY SUPPORT ON THE FARM BILL, EITHER.

SO MUCH HANGING IN THE BALANCE.

FARM BILL, EITHER.

SO MUCH HANGING IN THE BALANCE.

ED?

SO MUCH HANGING IN THE BALANCE.

ED?

>> IT REALLY IS.

ED?

>> IT REALLY IS.

AND 800-PAGE, $20 BILLION >> IT REALLY IS.

AND 800-PAGE, $20 BILLION IMMIGRATION MEASURE BECAME A AND 800-PAGE, $20 BILLION IMMIGRATION MEASURE BECAME A 1,100-PAGE 11 N -- IMMIGRATION MEASURE BECAME A 1,100-PAGE 11 N -- IMMIGRATION BILL, THAT WILL 1,100-PAGE 11 N -- IMMIGRATION BILL, THAT WILL MEDICAL TARIZE THE U.S.-MEXICO IMMIGRATION BILL, THAT WILL MEDICAL TARIZE THE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER.

MEDICAL TARIZE THE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER.

YOU WILL DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE BORDER.

YOU WILL DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE U.S. BORDER PATROL IF THE PLAN YOU WILL DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE U.S. BORDER PATROL IF THE PLAN GOES THROUGH BRINGING 40,000 U.S. BORDER PATROL IF THE PLAN GOES THROUGH BRINGING 40,000 MEMBERS OF THE BORDER PATROL -- GOES THROUGH BRINGING 40,000 MEMBERS OF THE BORDER PATROL -- AS CHUCK SCHUMER SAID YOU COULD MEMBERS OF THE BORDER PATROL -- AS CHUCK SCHUMER SAID YOU COULD PUT A BORDER PATROL AGENT EVERY AS CHUCK SCHUMER SAID YOU COULD PUT A BORDER PATROL AGENT EVERY 1,000 FEET FROM SAN DIEGO ALL PUT A BORDER PATROL AGENT EVERY 1,000 FEET FROM SAN DIEGO ALL THE WAY TO BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS.

1,000 FEET FROM SAN DIEGO ALL THE WAY TO BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS.

AS AN IMMIGRANT -- IMMIGRATION THE WAY TO BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS.

AS AN IMMIGRANT -- IMMIGRATION ADVOCATE PUT IT TO ME THIS AS AN IMMIGRANT -- IMMIGRATION ADVOCATE PUT IT TO ME THIS WEEK, WE HAVE THE SECOND MOST ADVOCATE PUT IT TO ME THIS WEEK, WE HAVE THE SECOND MOST MILITARIZED BORDER IN THE WORLD WEEK, WE HAVE THE SECOND MOST MILITARIZED BORDER IN THE WORLD BEHIND THE KOREAS.

MILITARIZED BORDER IN THE WORLD BEHIND THE KOREAS.

GWEN: I HAVE BEEN ALONG THAT BEHIND THE KOREAS.

GWEN: I HAVE BEEN ALONG THAT BORDER.

GWEN: I HAVE BEEN ALONG THAT BORDER.

AND I CAN'T QUITE ENVISION HOW BORDER.

AND I CAN'T QUITE ENVISION HOW THEY DO THIS.

AND I CAN'T QUITE ENVISION HOW THEY DO THIS.

EVEN PHYSICALLY.

THEY DO THIS.

EVEN PHYSICALLY.

BUT WHERE DO THEY GET THE EVEN PHYSICALLY.

BUT WHERE DO THEY GET THE MONEY, ALL THIS MONEY ALL OF A BUT WHERE DO THEY GET THE MONEY, ALL THIS MONEY ALL OF A SUDDEN?

MONEY, ALL THIS MONEY ALL OF A SUDDEN?

>> AS A COMBINATION OF THINGS.

SUDDEN?

>> AS A COMBINATION OF THINGS.

THERE ARE VARIOUS FEES THAT ARE >> AS A COMBINATION OF THINGS.

THERE ARE VARIOUS FEES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN APPLYING FOR VISAS THERE ARE VARIOUS FEES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN APPLYING FOR VISAS AND FOR OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN APPLYING FOR VISAS AND FOR OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE DONE THROUGH THE IMMIGRATION AND FOR OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE DONE THROUGH THE IMMIGRATION BILL.

DONE THROUGH THE IMMIGRATION BILL.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MONEY BILL.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THAT.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MONEY FROM THAT.

THEY ALSO GOT TO SCORE THIS FROM THAT.

THEY ALSO GOT TO SCORE THIS WEEK FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL THEY ALSO GOT TO SCORE THIS WEEK FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE THAT SUGGESTED WEEK FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE THAT SUGGESTED THAT THIS ACTUALLY WAS TRIMMING BUDGET OFFICE THAT SUGGESTED THAT THIS ACTUALLY WAS TRIMMING A LOT MORE FROM THE DEFICIT IN THAT THIS ACTUALLY WAS TRIMMING A LOT MORE FROM THE DEFICIT IN THE COMING YEARS THAN THEY A LOT MORE FROM THE DEFICIT IN THE COMING YEARS THAN THEY INITIALLY EXPECTED.

THE COMING YEARS THAN THEY INITIALLY EXPECTED.

WHEN REPUBLICANS CAME TO THEM INITIALLY EXPECTED.

WHEN REPUBLICANS CAME TO THEM WITH THE IDEA OF ADDING MORE WHEN REPUBLICANS CAME TO THEM WITH THE IDEA OF ADDING MORE BORDER PATROL AGENTS, AND WITH THE IDEA OF ADDING MORE BORDER PATROL AGENTS, AND DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND BORDER PATROL AGENTS, AND DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND THE GANG OF EIGHT SAID THAT'S DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND THE GANG OF EIGHT SAID THAT'S TOO MUCH MONEY, WELL, THEN THE THE GANG OF EIGHT SAID THAT'S TOO MUCH MONEY, WELL, THEN THE C.B.O.

SCORE ARRIVED AND SAID TOO MUCH MONEY, WELL, THEN THE C.B.O.

SCORE ARRIVED AND SAID WAIT A SECOND.

C.B.O.

SCORE ARRIVED AND SAID WAIT A SECOND.

NOW WE HAVE SOME MONEY TO PLAY WAIT A SECOND.

NOW WE HAVE SOME MONEY TO PLAY WITH.

NOW WE HAVE SOME MONEY TO PLAY WITH.

PERHAPS WE CAN DO THIS.

WITH.

PERHAPS WE CAN DO THIS.

>> IS THAT REALLY THE KEY TO PERHAPS WE CAN DO THIS.

>> IS THAT REALLY THE KEY TO GETTING THIS IMMIGRATION BILL >> IS THAT REALLY THE KEY TO GETTING THIS IMMIGRATION BILL PASSED?

GETTING THIS IMMIGRATION BILL PASSED?

WHAT -- WHAT DOES THAT -- WHAT PASSED?

WHAT -- WHAT DOES THAT -- WHAT ARE THOSE PROVISIONS GOING TO WHAT -- WHAT DOES THAT -- WHAT ARE THOSE PROVISIONS GOING TO ADD THAT ARE GOING TO SWING ARE THOSE PROVISIONS GOING TO ADD THAT ARE GOING TO SWING PEOPLE FROM OPPOSING THIS TO ADD THAT ARE GOING TO SWING PEOPLE FROM OPPOSING THIS TO SUPPORTING IT?

PEOPLE FROM OPPOSING THIS TO SUPPORTING IT?

>> IT ALLOWS ABOUT A DOZEN SUPPORTING IT?

>> IT ALLOWS ABOUT A DOZEN REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO SAY I >> IT ALLOWS ABOUT A DOZEN REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO SAY I HAVE NOW CONVINCED THE GANG OF REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO SAY I HAVE NOW CONVINCED THE GANG OF EIGHT TO FORTIFY SECURITY ALONG HAVE NOW CONVINCED THE GANG OF EIGHT TO FORTIFY SECURITY ALONG THE BORDER AND THE BIGGEST EIGHT TO FORTIFY SECURITY ALONG THE BORDER AND THE BIGGEST G.O.P.

CONCERN, MAKING SURE THE BORDER AND THE BIGGEST G.O.P.

CONCERN, MAKING SURE THAT THE BORDER IS SECURE, CAN G.O.P.

CONCERN, MAKING SURE THAT THE BORDER IS SECURE, CAN NOW HAPPEN.

THAT THE BORDER IS SECURE, CAN NOW HAPPEN.

NOW, THERE'S STILL ABOUT 10, NOW HAPPEN.

NOW, THERE'S STILL ABOUT 10, MAYBE 15 REPUBLICAN SENATORS NOW, THERE'S STILL ABOUT 10, MAYBE 15 REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO DON'T LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT MAYBE 15 REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO DON'T LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH BUT IT WHO DON'T LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH BUT IT WILL BRING ALONG MANY BELIEVE DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH BUT IT WILL BRING ALONG MANY BELIEVE ABOUT A DOZEN, GUYS LIKE MARK WILL BRING ALONG MANY BELIEVE ABOUT A DOZEN, GUYS LIKE MARK KIRK OF ILLINOIS, LAMAR ABOUT A DOZEN, GUYS LIKE MARK KIRK OF ILLINOIS, LAMAR ALEXANDER AND BOB CORKER OF KIRK OF ILLINOIS, LAMAR ALEXANDER AND BOB CORKER OF TENNESSEE.

ALEXANDER AND BOB CORKER OF TENNESSEE.

CORKER WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN TENNESSEE.

CORKER WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THIS BILL DONE.

CORKER WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THIS BILL DONE.

OTHERS PERHAPS PEOPLE LIKE GETTING THIS BILL DONE.

OTHERS PERHAPS PEOPLE LIKE TOMKO BURN, KELLY AYOTTE OF NEW OTHERS PERHAPS PEOPLE LIKE TOMKO BURN, KELLY AYOTTE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS SAID THAT SHE IS TOMKO BURN, KELLY AYOTTE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS SAID THAT SHE IS ONBOARD AS WELL.

HAMPSHIRE HAS SAID THAT SHE IS ONBOARD AS WELL.

THE GOAL IS TO GET TO ABOUT 70.

ONBOARD AS WELL.

THE GOAL IS TO GET TO ABOUT 70.

BECAUSE IT WILL SET IT UP IN A THE GOAL IS TO GET TO ABOUT 70.

BECAUSE IT WILL SET IT UP IN A A WAY THAT THE HOUSE CAN'T BECAUSE IT WILL SET IT UP IN A A WAY THAT THE HOUSE CAN'T IGNORE IT.

A WAY THAT THE HOUSE CAN'T IGNORE IT.

>> THE NAME YOU DIDN'T MENTION IGNORE IT.

>> THE NAME YOU DIDN'T MENTION IS BARACK OBAMA.

>> THE NAME YOU DIDN'T MENTION IS BARACK OBAMA.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED IS BARACK OBAMA.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

WHERE IS HE ON THIS?

STATES.

WHERE IS HE ON THIS?

AND YOU LISTEN TO THE WHERE IS HE ON THIS?

AND YOU LISTEN TO THE REPUBLICANS AND HE HAS AND YOU LISTEN TO THE REPUBLICANS AND HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO ABOUT REPUBLICANS AND HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT AND YOU LISTEN TO THE WHITE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO ABOUT IT AND YOU LISTEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE, QUIETLY, COVERTLY WE'RE IT AND YOU LISTEN TO THE WHITE HOUSE, QUIETLY, COVERTLY WE'RE PRETTY INVOLVED.

HOUSE, QUIETLY, COVERTLY WE'RE PRETTY INVOLVED.

WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THE WHITE PRETTY INVOLVED.

WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THE WHITE HOUSE IN ALL THIS?

WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THE WHITE HOUSE IN ALL THIS?

>> THE PRESIDENT IS ABOUT A FEN HOUSE IN ALL THIS?

>> THE PRESIDENT IS ABOUT A FEN CALL AWAY.

>> THE PRESIDENT IS ABOUT A FEN CALL AWAY.

-- PHONE CALL AWAY.

CALL AWAY.

-- PHONE CALL AWAY.

CHUCK SCHUMER THE LEAD -- PHONE CALL AWAY.

CHUCK SCHUMER THE LEAD DEMOCRATIC NEGOTIATOR KEPT IN CHUCK SCHUMER THE LEAD DEMOCRATIC NEGOTIATOR KEPT IN TOUCH WITH THE PRESIDENT WHILE DEMOCRATIC NEGOTIATOR KEPT IN TOUCH WITH THE PRESIDENT WHILE HE WAS OVERSEAS AND HAD A FEW TOUCH WITH THE PRESIDENT WHILE HE WAS OVERSEAS AND HAD A FEW PHONE CALLS CUT OFF APPEARANCE HE WAS OVERSEAS AND HAD A FEW PHONE CALLS CUT OFF APPEARANCE THE PRESIDENT WAS FLYING.

PHONE CALLS CUT OFF APPEARANCE THE PRESIDENT WAS FLYING.

ON AIR FORCE ONE.

THE PRESIDENT WAS FLYING.

ON AIR FORCE ONE.

AND THEY'RE KEEPING THE WHITE ON AIR FORCE ONE.

AND THEY'RE KEEPING THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE LOOP.

AND THEY'RE KEEPING THE WHITE HOUSE IN THE LOOP.

THEY WERE KEPT ABREAST OF THE HOUSE IN THE LOOP.

THEY WERE KEPT ABREAST OF THE SITUATION REGARDING THIS DEAL THEY WERE KEPT ABREAST OF THE SITUATION REGARDING THIS DEAL ON THE BORDER.

SITUATION REGARDING THIS DEAL ON THE BORDER.

AND EVENTUALLY THE WHITE HOUSE ON THE BORDER.

AND EVENTUALLY THE WHITE HOUSE SAID OK, IT LOOKS FINE.

AND EVENTUALLY THE WHITE HOUSE SAID OK, IT LOOKS FINE.

APPARENTLY THERE W SOMASE SAID OK, IT LOOKS FINE.

APPARENTLY THERE W SOMASE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD APPARENTLY THERE W SOMASE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD CONCEIVABLY HIRE THESE PEOPLE.

CONCERNS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD CONCEIVABLY HIRE THESE PEOPLE.

WHETHER THEY WILL BE GOVERNMENT CONCEIVABLY HIRE THESE PEOPLE.

WHETHER THEY WILL BE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES OR COULD BE PRIVATE WHETHER THEY WILL BE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES OR COULD BE PRIVATE SECURITY CONTRACTORS.

EMPLOYEES OR COULD BE PRIVATE SECURITY CONTRACTORS.

ALL SIGNS SUGGEST THAT THEY SECURITY CONTRACTORS.

ALL SIGNS SUGGEST THAT THEY WILL BE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

ALL SIGNS SUGGEST THAT THEY WILL BE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

THAT REALLY PUTS THE ONUS ON WILL BE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

THAT REALLY PUTS THE ONUS ON THE WHITE HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO THAT REALLY PUTS THE ONUS ON THE WHITE HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO HIRE 20,000 PEOPLE IN THE NEXT THE WHITE HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO HIRE 20,000 PEOPLE IN THE NEXT DECADE OR THE NEXT PRESIDENT.

HIRE 20,000 PEOPLE IN THE NEXT DECADE OR THE NEXT PRESIDENT.

GWEN: DECADE OR THE NEXT PRESIDENT.

GWEN: >> A GREAT JOB CREATION METHOD GWEN: >> A GREAT JOB CREATION METHOD AND A NEW PART OF THE STIMULUS >> A GREAT JOB CREATION METHOD AND A NEW PART OF THE STIMULUS PACKAGE.

AND A NEW PART OF THE STIMULUS PACKAGE.

>> PERHAPS.

PACKAGE.

>> PERHAPS.

AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE >> PERHAPS.

AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE 20,000 PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE 20,000 PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE JOBS ALONG THE 20,000 PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE JOBS ALONG THE BORDER.

WOULD LIKE JOBS ALONG THE BORDER.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE.

BORDER.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE.

WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN IN THE >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HOUSE.

WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN IN THE HOUSE, MAY BE A PRESAGER OF WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN IN THE HOUSE, MAY BE A PRESAGER OF THINGS TO COME.

HOUSE, MAY BE A PRESAGER OF THINGS TO COME.

THE FARM BILL.

THINGS TO COME.

THE FARM BILL.

GENERALLY THE THINGS THAT THE FARM BILL.

GENERALLY THE THINGS THAT BROUGHT THE URBAN PEOPLE WHO GENERALLY THE THINGS THAT BROUGHT THE URBAN PEOPLE WHO LIKED FOOD STAMPS AND FOOD BROUGHT THE URBAN PEOPLE WHO LIKED FOOD STAMPS AND FOOD SUPPORT PROGRAMS TOGETHER WITH LIKED FOOD STAMPS AND FOOD SUPPORT PROGRAMS TOGETHER WITH AGRICULTURAL STATES WHICH THE SUPPORT PROGRAMS TOGETHER WITH AGRICULTURAL STATES WHICH THE FARMERS LIKED FARM SUPPORTS.

AGRICULTURAL STATES WHICH THE FARMERS LIKED FARM SUPPORTS.

THAT IS BILL THAT WAS GOING TO FARMERS LIKED FARM SUPPORTS.

THAT IS BILL THAT WAS GOING TO REDUCE SOME OF THAT SPENDING.

THAT IS BILL THAT WAS GOING TO REDUCE SOME OF THAT SPENDING.

BUT IT CRASHED AND BURNED.

REDUCE SOME OF THAT SPENDING.

BUT IT CRASHED AND BURNED.

WHAT HAPPENED?

BUT IT CRASHED AND BURNED.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> IT DID.

WHAT HAPPENED?

>> IT DID.

IN AN INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC >> IT DID.

IN AN INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC FASHION AND THE REAL IRONY IS IN AN INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC FASHION AND THE REAL IRONY IS AT THE MOMENT THE GANG OF EIGHT FASHION AND THE REAL IRONY IS AT THE MOMENT THE GANG OF EIGHT AND THE REPUBLICANS WHO AT THE MOMENT THE GANG OF EIGHT AND THE REPUBLICANS WHO NEGOTIATED THIS BORDER SECURITY AND THE REPUBLICANS WHO NEGOTIATED THIS BORDER SECURITY AGREEMENT WERE ANNOUNCING IT ON NEGOTIATED THIS BORDER SECURITY AGREEMENT WERE ANNOUNCING IT ON THE SENATE FLOOR, CROSS THE AGREEMENT WERE ANNOUNCING IT ON THE SENATE FLOOR, CROSS THE CAPITOL, REPUBLICANS AND -- THE SENATE FLOOR, CROSS THE CAPITOL, REPUBLICANS AND -- GWEN: SAME MOMENT.

CAPITOL, REPUBLICANS AND -- GWEN: SAME MOMENT.

>> SAME MOMENT WERE DEFEATING GWEN: SAME MOMENT.

>> SAME MOMENT WERE DEFEATING THE FARM BILL.

>> SAME MOMENT WERE DEFEATING THE FARM BILL.

>> AND SAID I'M NOT GOING TO THE FARM BILL.

>> AND SAID I'M NOT GOING TO BRING A BILL THAT DOESN'T HAVE >> AND SAID I'M NOT GOING TO BRING A BILL THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN BRING A BILL THAT DOESN'T HAVE A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN SUPPORT -- REFERRING TO A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN SUPPORT -- REFERRING TO IMMIGRATION.

SUPPORT -- REFERRING TO IMMIGRATION.

TO THE FLOOR.

IMMIGRATION.

TO THE FLOOR.

HE DIDN'T SAY A CONFERENCE TO THE FLOOR.

HE DIDN'T SAY A CONFERENCE REPORT.

HE DIDN'T SAY A CONFERENCE REPORT.

IS THERE ANY SORT OF LOOPHOLE REPORT.

IS THERE ANY SORT OF LOOPHOLE WHERE THEY MIGHT BRING THE IS THERE ANY SORT OF LOOPHOLE WHERE THEY MIGHT BRING THE SENATE BILL?

WHERE THEY MIGHT BRING THE SENATE BILL?

>> PURE WASHINGTON FOR PEOPLE SENATE BILL?

>> PURE WASHINGTON FOR PEOPLE BACK HOME.

>> PURE WASHINGTON FOR PEOPLE BACK HOME.

GOING WHAT?

BACK HOME.

GOING WHAT?

THIS IS THE AGREEMENT WHEN THE GOING WHAT?

THIS IS THE AGREEMENT WHEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE PASS THEIR THIS IS THE AGREEMENT WHEN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE PASS THEIR VERSIONS OF THE BILL AND THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE PASS THEIR VERSIONS OF THE BILL AND THE NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT.

VERSIONS OF THE BILL AND THE NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT.

HIS AIDES SAID NO, HE MEANS THE NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT.

HIS AIDES SAID NO, HE MEANS THE CONFERENCE REPORT ALSO.

HIS AIDES SAID NO, HE MEANS THE CONFERENCE REPORT ALSO.

BUT AT THE END OF THE WEEK, HE CONFERENCE REPORT ALSO.

BUT AT THE END OF THE WEEK, HE WAS SUGGESTING BIPARTISANSHIP BUT AT THE END OF THE WEEK, HE WAS SUGGESTING BIPARTISANSHIP MIGHT COME INTO PLAY WHEN IT WAS SUGGESTING BIPARTISANSHIP MIGHT COME INTO PLAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE.

MIGHT COME INTO PLAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE.

SO HE -- COMES TO THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE.

SO HE -- GWEN: HOW?

SO HE -- GWEN: HOW?

>> HE SLIGHTLY REVERSED COURSE GWEN: HOW?

>> HE SLIGHTLY REVERSED COURSE BY SUGGESTING AT HIS PRESS >> HE SLIGHTLY REVERSED COURSE BY SUGGESTING AT HIS PRESS CONFERENCE ON THURSDAY BY SUGGESTING AT HIS PRESS CONFERENCE ON THURSDAY HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A CONFERENCE ON THURSDAY HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A BIPARTISAN THING.

HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A BIPARTISAN THING.

BUT IT WILL BE A MAJORITY BIPARTISAN THING.

BUT IT WILL BE A MAJORITY SUPPORT SITUATION.

BUT IT WILL BE A MAJORITY SUPPORT SITUATION.

GWEN: BUT HE HAS CAUCUSES, SUPPORT SITUATION.

GWEN: BUT HE HAS CAUCUSES, PEOPLE WITHIN HIS CAUCUS WHO GWEN: BUT HE HAS CAUCUSES, PEOPLE WITHIN HIS CAUCUS WHO DON'T SEEM INTERESTED IN PEOPLE WITHIN HIS CAUCUS WHO DON'T SEEM INTERESTED IN LISTENING TO WHATEVER HE SAYS.

DON'T SEEM INTERESTED IN LISTENING TO WHATEVER HE SAYS.

>> YES.

LISTENING TO WHATEVER HE SAYS.

>> YES.

THAT IS TRUE.

>> YES.

THAT IS TRUE.

YOU'VE GOT -- THE ARDENT THAT IS TRUE.

YOU'VE GOT -- THE ARDENT TEA-PARTY BACKED REPUBLICANS YOU'VE GOT -- THE ARDENT TEA-PARTY BACKED REPUBLICANS WHO ARE MORE INTERESTED IN TEA-PARTY BACKED REPUBLICANS WHO ARE MORE INTERESTED IN PLEASING GROUPS LIKE THE WHO ARE MORE INTERESTED IN PLEASING GROUPS LIKE THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION THAN THEY PLEASING GROUPS LIKE THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION THAN THEY ARE IN WORRYING ABOUT THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION THAN THEY ARE IN WORRYING ABOUT THE SPEAKER AND THE MARNINGT ARE IN WORRYING ABOUT THE SPEAKER AND THE MARNINGT LEADER.

SPEAKER AND THE MARNINGT LEADER.

-- MAJORITY LEADER.

LEADER.

-- MAJORITY LEADER.

AN INCREDIBLE MELTDOWN.

-- MAJORITY LEADER.

AN INCREDIBLE MELTDOWN.

REPUBLICANS WILL BLAME AN INCREDIBLE MELTDOWN.

REPUBLICANS WILL BLAME DEMOCRATS WHO SAY THEY HAD REPUBLICANS WILL BLAME DEMOCRATS WHO SAY THEY HAD ASSURED THEM 40 VOTES IN DEMOCRATS WHO SAY THEY HAD ASSURED THEM 40 VOTES IN SUPPORT.

ASSURED THEM 40 VOTES IN SUPPORT.

BUT THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO SUPPORT.

BUT THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE FARM BILL REGARDING THE BUT THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE FARM BILL REGARDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION THE FARM BILL REGARDING THE SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

PEOPLE KNOW AS FOOD STAMPS.

ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

PEOPLE KNOW AS FOOD STAMPS.

IT WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT SAID PEOPLE KNOW AS FOOD STAMPS.

IT WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT SAID THAT BASICALLY IF YOU'RE IT WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT SAID THAT BASICALLY IF YOU'RE COLLECTING FOOD STAMPS, YOU THAT BASICALLY IF YOU'RE COLLECTING FOOD STAMPS, YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING.

COLLECTING FOOD STAMPS, YOU HAVE TO BE WORKING.

THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU AREN'T HAVE TO BE WORKING.

THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU AREN'T GETTING A FREE HANDOUT.

THE IDEA WAS THAT YOU AREN'T GETTING A FREE HANDOUT.

REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR A VOTE.

GETTING A FREE HANDOUT.

REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR A VOTE.

AND THE MOMENT THAT THEY ASKED REPUBLICANS ASKED FOR A VOTE.

AND THE MOMENT THAT THEY ASKED FOR A VOTE, THE DEMOCRATS SAID AND THE MOMENT THAT THEY ASKED FOR A VOTE, THE DEMOCRATS SAID HOLD ON A SECOND.

FOR A VOTE, THE DEMOCRATS SAID HOLD ON A SECOND.

NOW WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY BALL.

HOLD ON A SECOND.

NOW WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY BALL.

AND THE RANKING DEMOCRAT TOLD NOW WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY BALL.

AND THE RANKING DEMOCRAT TOLD ERIC CANTOR -- AND THE RANKING DEMOCRAT TOLD ERIC CANTOR -- GWEN: THIS IS WHY AMERICA LOVES ERIC CANTOR -- GWEN: THIS IS WHY AMERICA LOVES US.

GWEN: THIS IS WHY AMERICA LOVES US.

OR AT LEAST LOVES THEM.

US.

OR AT LEAST LOVES THEM.

THE PRESIDENT'S EUROPEAN OR AT LEAST LOVES THEM.

THE PRESIDENT'S EUROPEAN JOURNEY THIS WEEK WAS A TYPICAL THE PRESIDENT'S EUROPEAN JOURNEY THIS WEEK WAS A TYPICAL FOREIGN TRIP.

JOURNEY THIS WEEK WAS A TYPICAL FOREIGN TRIP.

FACE-TO-FACE WITH OTHER FOREIGN TRIP.

FACE-TO-FACE WITH OTHER LEADERS, STROLLS IN THE IRISH FACE-TO-FACE WITH OTHER LEADERS, STROLLS IN THE IRISH COUNTRY SIDE.

LEADERS, STROLLS IN THE IRISH COUNTRY SIDE.

A BIG SPEECH AT BERLIN'S COUNTRY SIDE.

A BIG SPEECH AT BERLIN'S BRANDENBERG GATE.

A BIG SPEECH AT BERLIN'S BRANDENBERG GATE.

BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF LOOSE BRANDENBERG GATE.

BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS THAT NO G-8 SUMMIT COULD BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS THAT NO G-8 SUMMIT COULD RESOLVE.

ENDS THAT NO G-8 SUMMIT COULD RESOLVE.

AMONG THEM THE END OF AMERICA'S RESOLVE.

AMONG THEM THE END OF AMERICA'S LONGEST WAR, THE BLOODY CIVIL AMONG THEM THE END OF AMERICA'S LONGEST WAR, THE BLOODY CIVIL WAR IN SYRIA, AND THE ON AGAIN, LONGEST WAR, THE BLOODY CIVIL WAR IN SYRIA, AND THE ON AGAIN, OFF AGAIN PEACE TALKS WITH THE WAR IN SYRIA, AND THE ON AGAIN, OFF AGAIN PEACE TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN.

OFF AGAIN PEACE TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN.

WHICH HE CONCEDED MAY BE TOUGH TALIBAN.

WHICH HE CONCEDED MAY BE TOUGH TO PULL OFF.

WHICH HE CONCEDED MAY BE TOUGH TO PULL OFF.

NOT ONLY HAVE THE TALIBAN TO PULL OFF.

NOT ONLY HAVE THE TALIBAN AND THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT BEEN NOT ONLY HAVE THE TALIBAN AND THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT BEEN FIGHTING FOR A LONG TIME, AND THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT BEEN FIGHTING FOR A LONG TIME, THEY'RE FIGHTING AS WE SPEAK.

FIGHTING FOR A LONG TIME, THEY'RE FIGHTING AS WE SPEAK.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR.

THEY'RE FIGHTING AS WE SPEAK.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR.

GWEN: IS THERE ANY WORRY THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR.

GWEN: IS THERE ANY WORRY THAT IN THE RUSH TO GET OUT OF GWEN: IS THERE ANY WORRY THAT IN THE RUSH TO GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN OR TO GET ALL OF IN THE RUSH TO GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN OR TO GET ALL OF THESE THINGS GOING AT ONCE THAT AFGHANISTAN OR TO GET ALL OF THESE THINGS GOING AT ONCE THAT THE PRESIDENT MAY BE THESE THINGS GOING AT ONCE THAT THE PRESIDENT MAY BE OVERREACHING, INDIRA?

THE PRESIDENT MAY BE OVERREACHING, INDIRA?

>> HE'S GOT TO REACH.

OVERREACHING, INDIRA?

>> HE'S GOT TO REACH.

HE'S GOT TO TRY.

>> HE'S GOT TO REACH.

HE'S GOT TO TRY.

AS HE HAS BEEN SAYING FOR A FEW HE'S GOT TO TRY.

AS HE HAS BEEN SAYING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, YOU CAN'T END A WAR AS HE HAS BEEN SAYING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, YOU CAN'T END A WAR IN AFGHANISTAN JUST MILITARILY.

YEARS NOW, YOU CAN'T END A WAR IN AFGHANISTAN JUST MILITARILY.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FORM OF IN AFGHANISTAN JUST MILITARILY.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FORM OF RECONCILIATION.

THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FORM OF RECONCILIATION.

SO IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS THAT RECONCILIATION.

SO IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS THAT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS SO IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS THAT THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN THE PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA OF ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA OF FIGHT, TALK AND BUILD.

TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA OF FIGHT, TALK AND BUILD.

KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THE FIGHT, TALK AND BUILD.

KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THE TALIBAN.

KEEP FIGHTING AGAINST THE TALIBAN.

AT THE SAME TIME, TRY TO BUILD TALIBAN.

AT THE SAME TIME, TRY TO BUILD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND AT AT THE SAME TIME, TRY TO BUILD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TALK WITH THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TALK WITH THEM AND COME TO A PEACEFUL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TALK WITH THEM AND COME TO A PEACEFUL SOLUTION.

THEM AND COME TO A PEACEFUL SOLUTION.

THE PROBLEM IS OF COURSE THAT SOLUTION.

THE PROBLEM IS OF COURSE THAT WITHIN 24 HOURS, LESS THAN 24 THE PROBLEM IS OF COURSE THAT WITHIN 24 HOURS, LESS THAN 24 HOURS OF THIS IDEA BEING WITHIN 24 HOURS, LESS THAN 24 HOURS OF THIS IDEA BEING ANNOUNCED, THERE WERE GOING TO HOURS OF THIS IDEA BEING ANNOUNCED, THERE WERE GOING TO BE TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN.

ANNOUNCED, THERE WERE GOING TO BE TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN.

AND IT ALL SEEMED TO COME BE TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN.

AND IT ALL SEEMED TO COME CRASHING DOWN INITIALLY.

AND IT ALL SEEMED TO COME CRASHING DOWN INITIALLY.

GWEN: BUT -- THIS IS THE -- A CRASHING DOWN INITIALLY.

GWEN: BUT -- THIS IS THE -- A CRITICAL WEEK.

GWEN: BUT -- THIS IS THE -- A CRITICAL WEEK.

THE WEEK OF THE FORMAL HANDOVER CRITICAL WEEK.

THE WEEK OF THE FORMAL HANDOVER AND THE WEEK IN WHICH THE THE WEEK OF THE FORMAL HANDOVER AND THE WEEK IN WHICH THE AFGHANS HAVE TO PROVE THAT AND THE WEEK IN WHICH THE AFGHANS HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY'RE UP TO THE SECURITY AFGHANS HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY'RE UP TO THE SECURITY TASK.

THEY'RE UP TO THE SECURITY TASK.

AND THEN THIS COLLAPSES.

TASK.

AND THEN THIS COLLAPSES.

IS THERE DESPAIR, IS THERE A AND THEN THIS COLLAPSES.

IS THERE DESPAIR, IS THERE A PLAN B?

IS THERE DESPAIR, IS THERE A PLAN B?

>> LET'S POINT OUT THAT PLAN B?

>> LET'S POINT OUT THAT PRESIDENT KARZAI JUST THIS >> LET'S POINT OUT THAT PRESIDENT KARZAI JUST THIS MORNING HAS ALREADY SAID THAT PRESIDENT KARZAI JUST THIS MORNING HAS ALREADY SAID THAT HE'S WILLING TO COME BACK TO MORNING HAS ALREADY SAID THAT HE'S WILLING TO COME BACK TO TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN AS LONG HE'S WILLING TO COME BACK TO TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN AS LONG AS THE TALIBAN GETS RID OF THAT TALKS WITH THE TALIBAN AS LONG AS THE TALIBAN GETS RID OF THAT NAME PLATE.

AS THE TALIBAN GETS RID OF THAT NAME PLATE.

JUST TO BACK UP A LITTLE FOR NAME PLATE.

JUST TO BACK UP A LITTLE FOR PEOPLE.

JUST TO BACK UP A LITTLE FOR PEOPLE.

I MEAN, THIS BECAME THE IDEA OF PEOPLE.

I MEAN, THIS BECAME THE IDEA OF HAVING TALIBAN TALKS BETWEEN I MEAN, THIS BECAME THE IDEA OF HAVING TALIBAN TALKS BETWEEN THE U.S. AND THE TALIBAN AND HAVING TALIBAN TALKS BETWEEN THE U.S. AND THE TALIBAN AND ALSO THE TALIBAN AND THE AFGHAN THE U.S. AND THE TALIBAN AND ALSO THE TALIBAN AND THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT ENDED UP BECOMING A ALSO THE TALIBAN AND THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT ENDED UP BECOMING A PUBLIC RIO GOVERNMENT ENDED UP BECOMING A PUBLIC RIO WHO SET UP SOMETHING IN QATAR PUBLIC RIO WHO SET UP SOMETHING IN QATAR AND DOHA THAT WAS LIKE A WHO SET UP SOMETHING IN QATAR AND DOHA THAT WAS LIKE A FOREIGN EMBASSY.

AND DOHA THAT WAS LIKE A FOREIGN EMBASSY.

WITH THE FLAG AND A PLAQUE.

FOREIGN EMBASSY.

WITH THE FLAG AND A PLAQUE.

WITH THE OLD NAME THEY USED TO WITH THE FLAG AND A PLAQUE.

WITH THE OLD NAME THEY USED TO USE WHEN THEY WERE IN CHARGE OF WITH THE OLD NAME THEY USED TO USE WHEN THEY WERE IN CHARGE OF AFGHANISTAN.

USE WHEN THEY WERE IN CHARGE OF AFGHANISTAN.

AND THAT WAS REALLY WHAT SENT AFGHANISTAN.

AND THAT WAS REALLY WHAT SENT PRESIDENT KARZAI'S NOSE OUT OF AND THAT WAS REALLY WHAT SENT PRESIDENT KARZAI'S NOSE OUT OF JOINT.

PRESIDENT KARZAI'S NOSE OUT OF JOINT.

HE SAID NO WAY.

JOINT.

HE SAID NO WAY.

TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.

HE SAID NO WAY.

TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.

TAKE DOWN THE PLAQUE.

TAKE DOWN THE FLAG.

TAKE DOWN THE PLAQUE.

OR ELSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK TAKE DOWN THE PLAQUE.

OR ELSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK TO YOU AT ALL.

OR ELSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK TO YOU AT ALL.

>> THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO TO YOU AT ALL.

>> THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO KEEP ALL THESE BALLS IN THE >> THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO KEEP ALL THESE BALLS IN THE AIR.

KEEP ALL THESE BALLS IN THE AIR.

AFGHANISTAN.

AIR.

AFGHANISTAN.

HICH IS ALWAYS PROBLEM AT CAL.

AFGHANISTAN.

HICH IS ALWAYS PROBLEM AT CAL.

SYRIA.

HICH IS ALWAYS PROBLEM AT CAL.

SYRIA.

ECONOMIC CONVERSATIONS HE WAS SYRIA.

ECONOMIC CONVERSATIONS HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING AT THE ECONOMIC CONVERSATIONS HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING AT THE G-8.

SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING AT THE G-8.

HOW IS HE PERCEIVED ON THE G-8.

HOW IS HE PERCEIVED ON THE SECOND TERM ON THE WORLD STAGE?

HOW IS HE PERCEIVED ON THE SECOND TERM ON THE WORLD STAGE?

>> THE BLOOM IS OFF THE ROSE.

SECOND TERM ON THE WORLD STAGE?

>> THE BLOOM IS OFF THE ROSE.

NO LONGER THE NOVELTY FIGURE >> THE BLOOM IS OFF THE ROSE.

NO LONGER THE NOVELTY FIGURE THAT WAS THE LAST TIME HE NO LONGER THE NOVELTY FIGURE THAT WAS THE LAST TIME HE VISITED BERLIN.

THAT WAS THE LAST TIME HE VISITED BERLIN.

A CANDIDATE IN 2008.

VISITED BERLIN.

A CANDIDATE IN 2008.

HE SHOWS UP AT THE BRANDENBERG A CANDIDATE IN 2008.

HE SHOWS UP AT THE BRANDENBERG GATE TO GIVE HIS SPEECH AND HE SHOWS UP AT THE BRANDENBERG GATE TO GIVE HIS SPEECH AND 4,500 PEOPLE THERE.

GATE TO GIVE HIS SPEECH AND 4,500 PEOPLE THERE.

AS OPPOSED TO 200,000.

4,500 PEOPLE THERE.

AS OPPOSED TO 200,000.

AND HE'S BEHIND THIS.

AS OPPOSED TO 200,000.

AND HE'S BEHIND THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW ON AND HE'S BEHIND THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW ON TELEVISION, BEHIND THIS GLASS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW ON TELEVISION, BEHIND THIS GLASS BARRIER THAT MADE HIM LOOK LIKE TELEVISION, BEHIND THIS GLASS BARRIER THAT MADE HIM LOOK LIKE HE WAS IN AN AQUARIUM.

BARRIER THAT MADE HIM LOOK LIKE HE WAS IN AN AQUARIUM.

A SECURITY THING.

HE WAS IN AN AQUARIUM.

A SECURITY THING.

CLEARLY.

A SECURITY THING.

CLEARLY.

SECRET SERVICE.

CLEARLY.

SECRET SERVICE.

AND IT WAS DONE IN A WAY THAT SECRET SERVICE.

AND IT WAS DONE IN A WAY THAT -- AS HE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING AND IT WAS DONE IN A WAY THAT -- AS HE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING DOWN BARRIERS SEEMED A LITTLE -- AS HE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING DOWN BARRIERS SEEMED A LITTLE ODD.

DOWN BARRIERS SEEMED A LITTLE ODD.

BUT HE'S -- HE'S NOT THE NEW ODD.

BUT HE'S -- HE'S NOT THE NEW GUY ON THE BLOCK ANYMORE.

BUT HE'S -- HE'S NOT THE NEW GUY ON THE BLOCK ANYMORE.

HE'S GOT TOUGH RELATIONS WITH GUY ON THE BLOCK ANYMORE.

HE'S GOT TOUGH RELATIONS WITH PUTIN AND TOUGH RELATIONS WITH HE'S GOT TOUGH RELATIONS WITH PUTIN AND TOUGH RELATIONS WITH PRESIDENT CHI FROM CHINA.

PUTIN AND TOUGH RELATIONS WITH PRESIDENT CHI FROM CHINA.

AND ANGELA MERKEL WHO HAS BEEN PRESIDENT CHI FROM CHINA.

AND ANGELA MERKEL WHO HAS BEEN FRIENDLY TOWARD HIM GAVE HIM AN AND ANGELA MERKEL WHO HAS BEEN FRIENDLY TOWARD HIM GAVE HIM AN EARFUL ABOUT THE N.S.A.

FRIENDLY TOWARD HIM GAVE HIM AN EARFUL ABOUT THE N.S.A.

SURVEILLANCE THING.

EARFUL ABOUT THE N.S.A.

SURVEILLANCE THING.

SO IT WAS NOT -- NOT THE MOST SURVEILLANCE THING.

SO IT WAS NOT -- NOT THE MOST FUN TRIP HE'S GOING TO HAVE SO IT WAS NOT -- NOT THE MOST FUN TRIP HE'S GOING TO HAVE THIS YEAR.

FUN TRIP HE'S GOING TO HAVE THIS YEAR.

GWEN: CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE THIS YEAR.

GWEN: CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE PUTIN MEETING?

GWEN: CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE PUTIN MEETING?

THAT WAS NOT THE WARMEST, PUTIN MEETING?

THAT WAS NOT THE WARMEST, FUZZIEST MOMENT I'VE EVER SEEN.

THAT WAS NOT THE WARMEST, FUZZIEST MOMENT I'VE EVER SEEN.

>> HE LOOKED LIKE A SULLEN FUZZIEST MOMENT I'VE EVER SEEN.

>> HE LOOKED LIKE A SULLEN TEENAGER.

>> HE LOOKED LIKE A SULLEN TEENAGER.

>> YEAH.

TEENAGER.

>> YEAH.

>> BOTH OF THEM.

>> YEAH.

>> BOTH OF THEM.

>> WITH ANY PUTIN MEETING I >> BOTH OF THEM.

>> WITH ANY PUTIN MEETING I THINK THE PICTURE TELLS THE >> WITH ANY PUTIN MEETING I THINK THE PICTURE TELLS THE STORY.

THINK THE PICTURE TELLS THE STORY.

WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

STORY.

WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

THEY DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER.

WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

THEY DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER.

THEY DID NOT GET ALONG.

THEY DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER.

THEY DID NOT GET ALONG.

THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT THEY DID NOT GET ALONG.

THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES.

THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES.

>> PUTE -- PUTIN EVEN BRUSHED PERSONALITIES.

>> PUTE -- PUTIN EVEN BRUSHED OFF HIS ATTEMPT TO MAKE A JOKE >> PUTE -- PUTIN EVEN BRUSHED OFF HIS ATTEMPT TO MAKE A JOKE IN AN EMBARRASSING WAY.

OFF HIS ATTEMPT TO MAKE A JOKE IN AN EMBARRASSING WAY.

>> OBAMA MADE A JOKE ABOUT HOW IN AN EMBARRASSING WAY.

>> OBAMA MADE A JOKE ABOUT HOW WE'RE BOTH GETTING OLDER AND >> OBAMA MADE A JOKE ABOUT HOW WE'RE BOTH GETTING OLDER AND HE'S OLDER AT JUDO AND I'M WE'RE BOTH GETTING OLDER AND HE'S OLDER AT JUDO AND I'M OLDER AT BASKETBALL AND HE'S OLDER AT JUDO AND I'M OLDER AT BASKETBALL AND PROBABLY DIDN'T GO OVER WELL.

OLDER AT BASKETBALL AND PROBABLY DIDN'T GO OVER WELL.

AND PUTEEN HAS BEEN ON THE PROBABLY DIDN'T GO OVER WELL.

AND PUTEEN HAS BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE AT HOME -- PUTIN HAS AND PUTEEN HAS BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE AT HOME -- PUTIN HAS BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE AT HOME DEFENSIVE AT HOME -- PUTIN HAS BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE AT HOME ABOUT HIS AGE AND HEALTH AND BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE AT HOME ABOUT HIS AGE AND HEALTH AND PUTIN DIDN'T TAKE THAT ALL THAT ABOUT HIS AGE AND HEALTH AND PUTIN DIDN'T TAKE THAT ALL THAT WELL.

PUTIN DIDN'T TAKE THAT ALL THAT WELL.

THIS IS NOT A MEETING OF WELL.

THIS IS NOT A MEETING OF FRIENDS.

THIS IS NOT A MEETING OF FRIENDS.

AND THEY HAD A LOT TO DISAGREE FRIENDS.

AND THEY HAD A LOT TO DISAGREE ABOUT.

AND THEY HAD A LOT TO DISAGREE ABOUT.

PARTICULARLY SYRIA.

ABOUT.

PARTICULARLY SYRIA.

AND THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE NOT PARTICULARLY SYRIA.

AND THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE NOT GOING TO SETTLE IN THIS WEEK I AND THAT'S ONE THING WE'RE NOT GOING TO SETTLE IN THIS WEEK I THINK.

GOING TO SETTLE IN THIS WEEK I THINK.

>> WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM THIS THINK.

>> WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM THIS WEEK, THOUGH, THERE WERE G-8 >> WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM THIS WEEK, THOUGH, THERE WERE G-8 MEETINGS AND THE SPEECH IN WEEK, THOUGH, THERE WERE G-8 MEETINGS AND THE SPEECH IN BERLIN.

MEETINGS AND THE SPEECH IN BERLIN.

REALLY, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF BERLIN.

REALLY, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE WEEK AND DID THE WHITE REALLY, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE WEEK AND DID THE WHITE HOUSE REALLY ACCOMPLISH THE WEEK AND DID THE WHITE HOUSE REALLY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING THAT IT PLANNED TO HOUSE REALLY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING THAT IT PLANNED TO ACCOMPLISH?

ANYTHING THAT IT PLANNED TO ACCOMPLISH?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY CAN CALL ACCOMPLISH?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY CAN CALL THIS A WEEK OF ACCOMPLISHMENT.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY CAN CALL THIS A WEEK OF ACCOMPLISHMENT.

I THINK THAT THEY LOOK AT THIS THIS A WEEK OF ACCOMPLISHMENT.

I THINK THAT THEY LOOK AT THIS IN A LONG-TERM FASHION.

I THINK THAT THEY LOOK AT THIS IN A LONG-TERM FASHION.

THIS IS -- THIS IS BUILDING IN A LONG-TERM FASHION.

THIS IS -- THIS IS BUILDING TOWARD WHAT THEY HOPE WILL BE THIS IS -- THIS IS BUILDING TOWARD WHAT THEY HOPE WILL BE SOME PROGRESS ON VARIOUS TOWARD WHAT THEY HOPE WILL BE SOME PROGRESS ON VARIOUS ISSUES.

SOME PROGRESS ON VARIOUS ISSUES.

SYRIA.

ISSUES.

SYRIA.

AND ONLY GOING TO WORK IN THEIR SYRIA.

AND ONLY GOING TO WORK IN THEIR VIEW IF THEY CAN GET PUTIN AND AND ONLY GOING TO WORK IN THEIR VIEW IF THEY CAN GET PUTIN AND RUSSIA ONBOARD FOR SOME SORT OF VIEW IF THEY CAN GET PUTIN AND RUSSIA ONBOARD FOR SOME SORT OF PEACE PROCESS THAT BRINGS RUSSIA ONBOARD FOR SOME SORT OF PEACE PROCESS THAT BRINGS BASHAR AL-ASSAD, THE PRESIDENT PEACE PROCESS THAT BRINGS BASHAR AL-ASSAD, THE PRESIDENT OF SYRIA TO THE TABLE.

BASHAR AL-ASSAD, THE PRESIDENT OF SYRIA TO THE TABLE.

IT MAY BE A FARFETCHED WISH ON OF SYRIA TO THE TABLE.

IT MAY BE A FARFETCHED WISH ON THEIR PART GIVEN PUTIN'S IT MAY BE A FARFETCHED WISH ON THEIR PART GIVEN PUTIN'S OBVIOUS ATTITUDES.

THEIR PART GIVEN PUTIN'S OBVIOUS ATTITUDES.

BUT THEY SEE THAT AS THE ONLY OBVIOUS ATTITUDES.

BUT THEY SEE THAT AS THE ONLY REAL KEY AND THIS WEEK WAS AN BUT THEY SEE THAT AS THE ONLY REAL KEY AND THIS WEEK WAS AN IMPORTANT PART TOWARD GETTING REAL KEY AND THIS WEEK WAS AN IMPORTANT PART TOWARD GETTING THERE.

IMPORTANT PART TOWARD GETTING THERE.

ANOTHER MEETING BETWEEN PUTIN THERE.

ANOTHER MEETING BETWEEN PUTIN AND OBAMA IN SEPTEMBER.

ANOTHER MEETING BETWEEN PUTIN AND OBAMA IN SEPTEMBER.

IN RUSSIA.

AND OBAMA IN SEPTEMBER.

IN RUSSIA.

HE'S GOING TO GO TO ST.

IN RUSSIA.

HE'S GOING TO GO TO ST. PETERSBURG FOR ANOTHER SUMMIT.

HE'S GOING TO GO TO ST. PETERSBURG FOR ANOTHER SUMMIT.

HE DID AGREE TO GO TO MOSCOW AS PETERSBURG FOR ANOTHER SUMMIT.

HE DID AGREE TO GO TO MOSCOW AS WELL.

HE DID AGREE TO GO TO MOSCOW AS WELL.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

WELL.

SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

>> SO INDIRA, TO WHAT EXTENT IS SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

>> SO INDIRA, TO WHAT EXTENT IS THE CALENDAR WORKING AGAINST >> SO INDIRA, TO WHAT EXTENT IS THE CALENDAR WORKING AGAINST THIS ADMINISTRATION IN ALL OF THE CALENDAR WORKING AGAINST THIS ADMINISTRATION IN ALL OF THESE AREAS?

THIS ADMINISTRATION IN ALL OF THESE AREAS?

WE HAVE A PRESIDENT IN HIS THESE AREAS?

WE HAVE A PRESIDENT IN HIS SECOND TERM, SECOND TERMS WE HAVE A PRESIDENT IN HIS SECOND TERM, SECOND TERMS ALWAYS SEEM TO BE MORE SECOND TERM, SECOND TERMS ALWAYS SEEM TO BE MORE DISAPPOINTING THAN FIRST TERMS.

ALWAYS SEEM TO BE MORE DISAPPOINTING THAN FIRST TERMS.

AND WITH RESPECT TO DISAPPOINTING THAN FIRST TERMS.

AND WITH RESPECT TO AFGHANISTAN, I MEAN, U.S. IS AND WITH RESPECT TO AFGHANISTAN, I MEAN, U.S. IS COMMITTED TO PULL OUT AT THE AFGHANISTAN, I MEAN, U.S. IS COMMITTED TO PULL OUT AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

COMMITTED TO PULL OUT AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

WHAT REASON IS THERE FOR THE END OF NEXT YEAR.

WHAT REASON IS THERE FOR THE TALIBAN TO NEGOTIATE A PEACE WHAT REASON IS THERE FOR THE TALIBAN TO NEGOTIATE A PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED TALIBAN TO NEGOTIATE A PEACE AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES AND KARZAI AT THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES AND KARZAI AT THIS POINT?

STATES AND KARZAI AT THIS POINT?

>> A QUESTION THAT A LOT OF POINT?

>> A QUESTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHETHER THE >> A QUESTION THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHETHER THE TALIBAN ARE TRYING TO RUN DOWN PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHETHER THE TALIBAN ARE TRYING TO RUN DOWN THE CLOCK UNTIL WE AND NATO TALIBAN ARE TRYING TO RUN DOWN THE CLOCK UNTIL WE AND NATO HAVE COMMITTED TO PULL OUT ALL THE CLOCK UNTIL WE AND NATO HAVE COMMITTED TO PULL OUT ALL OF OUR COMBAT FORCES BY THE END HAVE COMMITTED TO PULL OUT ALL OF OUR COMBAT FORCES BY THE END OF 2014.

OF OUR COMBAT FORCES BY THE END OF 2014.

WHAT I THINK IS REALLY OF 2014.

WHAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING, YOU LOOK AT THE WHAT I THINK IS REALLY INTERESTING, YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEYS, THE PUBLIC OPINION INTERESTING, YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEYS, THE PUBLIC OPINION SURVEYS IN AFGHANISTAN.

SURVEYS, THE PUBLIC OPINION SURVEYS IN AFGHANISTAN.

AND I WAS STUNNED TO SEE THAT SURVEYS IN AFGHANISTAN.

AND I WAS STUNNED TO SEE THAT 93% OF AFGHANS EXPRESSED AND I WAS STUNNED TO SEE THAT 93% OF AFGHANS EXPRESSED CONFIDENCE IN THEIR 350,000 93% OF AFGHANS EXPRESSED CONFIDENCE IN THEIR 350,000 STRONG AFGHAN SECURITY FORCES CONFIDENCE IN THEIR 350,000 STRONG AFGHAN SECURITY FORCES THAT THEY HAVE NOW.

STRONG AFGHAN SECURITY FORCES THAT THEY HAVE NOW.

SO THAT MEANS AT LEAST THE THAT THEY HAVE NOW.

SO THAT MEANS AT LEAST THE AFGHANS THEMSELVES THINK SO THAT MEANS AT LEAST THE AFGHANS THEMSELVES THINK THERE'S A CHANCE, A GOOD CHANCE AFGHANS THEMSELVES THINK THERE'S A CHANCE, A GOOD CHANCE THAT THE AFGHAN SECURITY FORCES THERE'S A CHANCE, A GOOD CHANCE THAT THE AFGHAN SECURITY FORCES BACKED BY WHATEVER THE RESEDUAL THAT THE AFGHAN SECURITY FORCES BACKED BY WHATEVER THE RESEDUAL FORCE WE MAY BE ABLE TO LEAVE BACKED BY WHATEVER THE RESEDUAL FORCE WE MAY BE ABLE TO LEAVE BEHIND.

FORCE WE MAY BE ABLE TO LEAVE BEHIND.

AND REMEMBER, THAT IS BASED ON BEHIND.

AND REMEMBER, THAT IS BASED ON WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS AND REMEMBER, THAT IS BASED ON WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS KIND OF BILATERAL SECURITY WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS KIND OF BILATERAL SECURITY AGREEMENT.

KIND OF BILATERAL SECURITY AGREEMENT.

WHICH TEMPORARILY KARZAI FROZE AGREEMENT.

WHICH TEMPORARILY KARZAI FROZE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WEEK IN WHICH TEMPORARILY KARZAI FROZE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WEEK IN HIS FRUSTRATION.

DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WEEK IN HIS FRUSTRATION.

SO WE DO HAVE A TIME CLOCK.

HIS FRUSTRATION.

SO WE DO HAVE A TIME CLOCK.

THE QUESTION IS JUST SO WE DO HAVE A TIME CLOCK.

THE QUESTION IS JUST ULTIMATELY, HILLARY CLINTON THE QUESTION IS JUST ULTIMATELY, HILLARY CLINTON SAID THIS 100 TIMES.

ULTIMATELY, HILLARY CLINTON SAID THIS 100 TIMES.

EVERY WAR EVENTUALLY HAS A SAID THIS 100 TIMES.

EVERY WAR EVENTUALLY HAS A PEACE PROCESS.

EVERY WAR EVENTUALLY HAS A PEACE PROCESS.

PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK IT OUT.

PEACE PROCESS.

PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK IT OUT.

AND WE DIDN'T EXPECT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TO TALK IT OUT.

AND WE DIDN'T EXPECT A LOT OF PEACE ACCORDS.

AND WE DIDN'T EXPECT A LOT OF PEACE ACCORDS.

GWEN: YOU MENTIONED HILLARY PEACE ACCORDS.

GWEN: YOU MENTIONED HILLARY CLINTON.

GWEN: YOU MENTIONED HILLARY CLINTON.

WHAT'S BECOME OF JOHN KERRY?

CLINTON.

WHAT'S BECOME OF JOHN KERRY?

DOES HE HAVE A ROLE AND SYRIA WHAT'S BECOME OF JOHN KERRY?

DOES HE HAVE A ROLE AND SYRIA AS WELL?

DOES HE HAVE A ROLE AND SYRIA AS WELL?

AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX AN AS WELL?

AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX AN IDENTIFIABLE PROBLEM A AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX AN IDENTIFIABLE PROBLEM A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE DID IN IDENTIFIABLE PROBLEM A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE DID IN AFGHANISTAN.

DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE DID IN AFGHANISTAN.

>> INTERESTING BECAUSE JOHN AFGHANISTAN.

>> INTERESTING BECAUSE JOHN KERRY IS ACTUALLY HEADED TO >> INTERESTING BECAUSE JOHN KERRY IS ACTUALLY HEADED TO DOHA RIGHT NOW.

KERRY IS ACTUALLY HEADED TO DOHA RIGHT NOW.

QATAR.

DOHA RIGHT NOW.

QATAR.

BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO BE QATAR.

BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE AFGHAN-TALIBAN BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE AFGHAN-TALIBAN TALKS THAT ARE PLANNED.

INVOLVED IN THE AFGHAN-TALIBAN TALKS THAT ARE PLANNED.

THAT WILL BE RUN BY HIS HEAD, TALKS THAT ARE PLANNED.

THAT WILL BE RUN BY HIS HEAD, SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT WILL BE RUN BY HIS HEAD, SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR AFGHANISTAN, JIM DOBBINS.

SPECIAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR AFGHANISTAN, JIM DOBBINS.

BUT I THINK THAT JOHN KERRY HAS AFGHANISTAN, JIM DOBBINS.

BUT I THINK THAT JOHN KERRY HAS PUT MOST OF HIS ATTENTION AND BUT I THINK THAT JOHN KERRY HAS PUT MOST OF HIS ATTENTION AND ENERGY INTO TWO THINGS.

PUT MOST OF HIS ATTENTION AND ENERGY INTO TWO THINGS.

SINCE HE'S TAKEN OFFICE.

ENERGY INTO TWO THINGS.

SINCE HE'S TAKEN OFFICE.

ONE IS TRYING TO SOLVE SYRIA SINCE HE'S TAKEN OFFICE.

ONE IS TRYING TO SOLVE SYRIA AND THE SECOND IS TRYING TO ONE IS TRYING TO SOLVE SYRIA AND THE SECOND IS TRYING TO REVIVE MIDEAST PEACE.

AND THE SECOND IS TRYING TO REVIVE MIDEAST PEACE.

AND ON SYRIA, HE SPENT QUITE A REVIVE MIDEAST PEACE.

AND ON SYRIA, HE SPENT QUITE A LOT OF TIME AS WE KNOW IN AND ON SYRIA, HE SPENT QUITE A LOT OF TIME AS WE KNOW IN MOSCOW.

LOT OF TIME AS WE KNOW IN MOSCOW.

HE WAS THERE BACK IN MAY.

MOSCOW.

HE WAS THERE BACK IN MAY.

HE MET WITH PUTIN.

HE WAS THERE BACK IN MAY.

HE MET WITH PUTIN.

HE MET WITH LAVROV.

HE MET WITH PUTIN.

HE MET WITH LAVROV.

THIS GRAND IDEA OF THIS PEACE HE MET WITH LAVROV.

THIS GRAND IDEA OF THIS PEACE CONFERENCE THEY WERE GOING TO THIS GRAND IDEA OF THIS PEACE CONFERENCE THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE WITH SYRIA.

CONFERENCE THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE WITH SYRIA.

>> AND RUSSIA SOLD MORE WEAPONS HAVE WITH SYRIA.

>> AND RUSSIA SOLD MORE WEAPONS TO BASHAR AL-ASSAD.

>> AND RUSSIA SOLD MORE WEAPONS TO BASHAR AL-ASSAD.

>> EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND TO BASHAR AL-ASSAD.

>> EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND WENT BACK ON WHAT HE FELT THEIR >> EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND WENT BACK ON WHAT HE FELT THEIR WORD AND FELT THE AMERICANS WENT BACK ON WHAT HE FELT THEIR WORD AND FELT THE AMERICANS HAVE GONE BACK ON THEIR WORD BY WORD AND FELT THE AMERICANS HAVE GONE BACK ON THEIR WORD BY AGREEING TO DO SOMETHING TO ARM HAVE GONE BACK ON THEIR WORD BY AGREEING TO DO SOMETHING TO ARM THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION MORE.

AGREEING TO DO SOMETHING TO ARM THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION MORE.

SO A BIT OF A STALEMATE ON THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION MORE.

SO A BIT OF A STALEMATE ON THAT.

SO A BIT OF A STALEMATE ON THAT.

GWEN: IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THAT.

GWEN: IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS GWEN: IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS IDENTIFIED?

THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS IDENTIFIED?

HE HAS A NEW FOREIGN POLICY IDENTIFIED?

HE HAS A NEW FOREIGN POLICY TEAM KIND OF SORT OF IN PLACE.

HE HAS A NEW FOREIGN POLICY TEAM KIND OF SORT OF IN PLACE.

HE NOW HAS SOMEONE NEW AT THE TEAM KIND OF SORT OF IN PLACE.

HE NOW HAS SOMEONE NEW AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL.

HE NOW HAS SOMEONE NEW AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL.

HE'S GOT SOMEONE NEW AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL.

HE'S GOT SOMEONE NEW AT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SOMEONE HE'S GOT SOMEONE NEW AT THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SOMEONE NEW AT THE U.N. DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SOMEONE NEW AT THE U.N. WITH ALL OF THESE BALLS HE HAS NEW AT THE U.N. WITH ALL OF THESE BALLS HE HAS TO KEEP IN THE AIR, INCLUDING WITH ALL OF THESE BALLS HE HAS TO KEEP IN THE AIR, INCLUDING SUSPICION FROM PLACES LIKE TO KEEP IN THE AIR, INCLUDING SUSPICION FROM PLACES LIKE CHINA, IS THERE A DIFFERENT SUSPICION FROM PLACES LIKE CHINA, IS THERE A DIFFERENT APPROACH?

CHINA, IS THERE A DIFFERENT APPROACH?

IS THERE A PITCH OT AWAY FROM APPROACH?

IS THERE A PITCH OT AWAY FROM ASIA TO SOMETHING ELSE?

IS THERE A PITCH OT AWAY FROM ASIA TO SOMETHING ELSE?

>> I THINK YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT ASIA TO SOMETHING ELSE?

>> I THINK YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE SENSE >> I THINK YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE SENSE THAT THE DECISION TO ARM AND OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE SENSE THAT THE DECISION TO ARM AND SEND MILITARY AID TO THE SYRIAN THAT THE DECISION TO ARM AND SEND MILITARY AID TO THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION DID EXPOSE A LITTLE SEND MILITARY AID TO THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION DID EXPOSE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SOME OPPOSITION DID EXPOSE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SOME OF THESE PLAYERS NEW AND OLD.

BIT OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SOME OF THESE PLAYERS NEW AND OLD.

WITH JOHN KERRY, IN FAVOR OF OF THESE PLAYERS NEW AND OLD.

WITH JOHN KERRY, IN FAVOR OF SENDING MORE AID, FOR INSTANCE, WITH JOHN KERRY, IN FAVOR OF SENDING MORE AID, FOR INSTANCE, AND THE OUTGOING NATIONAL SENDING MORE AID, FOR INSTANCE, AND THE OUTGOING NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TOM DONLAN AND THE OUTGOING NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TOM DONLAN EXPRESSING SKEPTICISM AND SECURITY ADVISOR TOM DONLAN EXPRESSING SKEPTICISM AND CONCERN.

EXPRESSING SKEPTICISM AND CONCERN.

>> AND THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT CONCERN.

>> AND THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT WHETHER KERRY WANTED TO BOMB >> AND THE CONTROVERSY ABOUT WHETHER KERRY WANTED TO BOMB SYRIA.

WHETHER KERRY WANTED TO BOMB SYRIA.

THAT WAS -- SYRIA.

THAT WAS -- >> EXACTLY.

THAT WAS -- >> EXACTLY.

AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE >> EXACTLY.

AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE -- YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE -- YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT.

-- YOU'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT.

YOU DO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A THAT.

YOU DO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A PIVOT THAT THE PRESIDENT YOU DO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A PIVOT THAT THE PRESIDENT ADDRESSED WHILE HE WAS IN PIVOT THAT THE PRESIDENT ADDRESSED WHILE HE WAS IN GERMANY THIS NUCLEAR AGENDA ADDRESSED WHILE HE WAS IN GERMANY THIS NUCLEAR AGENDA WHICH HE HAS DROPPED FOR THE GERMANY THIS NUCLEAR AGENDA WHICH HE HAS DROPPED FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND WANTS TO WHICH HE HAS DROPPED FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND WANTS TO RESUME THE ABILITY TO CUT BACK LAST TWO YEARS AND WANTS TO RESUME THE ABILITY TO CUT BACK ON THE NUMBER OF WARHEADS WE RESUME THE ABILITY TO CUT BACK ON THE NUMBER OF WARHEADS WE HAVE AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS ON THE NUMBER OF WARHEADS WE HAVE AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS O CURB FISSILE MATERIAL.

HAVE AND DO SOME OTHER THINGS O CURB FISSILE MATERIAL.

AND A VIEW FROM THE REPUBLICANS O CURB FISSILE MATERIAL.

AND A VIEW FROM THE REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER IN THE HOUSE AND MADE AND A VIEW FROM THE REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER IN THE HOUSE AND MADE GAINS IN THE SENATE.

TOOK OVER IN THE HOUSE AND MADE GAINS IN THE SENATE.

NOT A LOT OF BRIGHT SPOTS ON GAINS IN THE SENATE.

NOT A LOT OF BRIGHT SPOTS ON THE FOREIGN POLICY AGENDA TO NOT A LOT OF BRIGHT SPOTS ON THE FOREIGN POLICY AGENDA TO SPEAK TO.

THE FOREIGN POLICY AGENDA TO SPEAK TO.

I TALKED TO A WHITE HOUSE SPEAK TO.

I TALKED TO A WHITE HOUSE PERSON TODAY AND SAID THE BEST I TALKED TO A WHITE HOUSE PERSON TODAY AND SAID THE BEST THING ABOUT THE G-8 IS WE PERSON TODAY AND SAID THE BEST THING ABOUT THE G-8 IS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

THING ABOUT THE G-8 IS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

BECAUSE IN FACT THEY DIDN'T DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

BECAUSE IN FACT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO.

BECAUSE IN FACT THEY DIDN'T NEED TO.

IT WASN'T A CRISIS COMPARED TO NEED TO.

IT WASN'T A CRISIS COMPARED TO PREVIOUS G-8'S.

IT WASN'T A CRISIS COMPARED TO PREVIOUS G-8'S.

THE ABSENCE OF BAD NEWS ON THAT PREVIOUS G-8'S.

THE ABSENCE OF BAD NEWS ON THAT FRONT WAS GOOD NEWS.

THE ABSENCE OF BAD NEWS ON THAT FRONT WAS GOOD NEWS.

GWEN: THAT'S OK. FRONT WAS GOOD NEWS.

GWEN: THAT'S OK.

THEY CAME HOME AND THE STOCK GWEN: THAT'S OK.

THEY CAME HOME AND THE STOCK MARKET CRASHED.

THEY CAME HOME AND THE STOCK MARKET CRASHED.

AND ONE MORE THING ABOUT THIS MARKET CRASHED.

AND ONE MORE THING ABOUT THIS AND AS WE TALK ABOUT THE AND ONE MORE THING ABOUT THIS AND AS WE TALK ABOUT THE PULLOUT.

AND AS WE TALK ABOUT THE PULLOUT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TABLE PULLOUT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TABLE BEFORE ABOUT THE DEADLINES FOR WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TABLE BEFORE ABOUT THE DEADLINES FOR WITHDRAWING AND ENDING THIS WAR BEFORE ABOUT THE DEADLINES FOR WITHDRAWING AND ENDING THIS WAR FORMALLY IN AFGHANISTAN.

WITHDRAWING AND ENDING THIS WAR FORMALLY IN AFGHANISTAN.

HOW MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IS IT FORMALLY IN AFGHANISTAN.

HOW MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IS IT FROM NOW -- BETWEEN NOW AND HOW MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IS IT FROM NOW -- BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT YEAR WHEN THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM NOW -- BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT YEAR WHEN THIS IS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, WE'VE DONE NEXT YEAR WHEN THIS IS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, WE'VE DONE THE POLITICAL HANDOVER, WE'VE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, WE'VE DONE THE POLITICAL HANDOVER, WE'VE DONE THE TACTICAL HANDOVER, NOW THE POLITICAL HANDOVER, WE'VE DONE THE TACTICAL HANDOVER, NOW WHAT?

DONE THE TACTICAL HANDOVER, NOW WHAT?

>> WELL, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT?

>> WELL, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RESPONSIBLY DRAW DOWN >> WELL, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RESPONSIBLY DRAW DOWN THE FORCE.

A WAY TO RESPONSIBLY DRAW DOWN THE FORCE.

THE FORCES.

THE FORCE.

THE FORCES.

THE NATO AND U.S.

FORCES THE FORCES.

THE NATO AND U.S.

FORCES WITHOUT COMPLETELY LEAVING THE THE NATO AND U.S.

FORCES WITHOUT COMPLETELY LEAVING THE AFGHAN FORCES IN THE LIMB.

WITHOUT COMPLETELY LEAVING THE AFGHAN FORCES IN THE LIMB.

WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS AFGHAN FORCES IN THE LIMB.

WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN TRYING TO SAY ALL ALONG IS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN TRYING TO SAY ALL ALONG IS THIS IS A GRADUAL PROCESS BEEN TRYING TO SAY ALL ALONG IS THIS IS A GRADUAL PROCESS THAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE OVER THIS IS A GRADUAL PROCESS THAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE OVER TIME AND NOT JUST ABANDONING THAT'S BEEN TAKING PLACE OVER TIME AND NOT JUST ABANDONING THEM.

TIME AND NOT JUST ABANDONING THEM.

THAT WE'VE TRAINED THEM AND THEM.

THAT WE'VE TRAINED THEM AND WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE THERE THAT WE'VE TRAINED THEM AND WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE THERE IN THE BACKGROUND HELPING THEM WE'RE GOING TO STILL BE THERE IN THE BACKGROUND HELPING THEM IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IN THE BACKGROUND HELPING THEM IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS ECONOMIC.

IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS ECONOMIC.

WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC TRANSITION THE OTHER QUESTION IS ECONOMIC.

WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC TRANSITION IN AFGHANISTAN GOING TO LOOK WHAT IS THE ECONOMIC TRANSITION IN AFGHANISTAN GOING TO LOOK LIKE?

IN AFGHANISTAN GOING TO LOOK LIKE?

BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE LIKE?

BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE FUNDING THEM AT THE LEVELS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE FUNDING THEM AT THE LEVELS THAT WE WERE BEFORE.

FUNDING THEM AT THE LEVELS THAT WE WERE BEFORE.

AND ALSO, THE POST-KARZAI WE WERE BEFORE.

AND ALSO, THE POST-KARZAI PICTURE BECAUSE AFGHANISTAN IS AND ALSO, THE POST-KARZAI PICTURE BECAUSE AFGHANISTAN IS UP FOR ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

PICTURE BECAUSE AFGHANISTAN IS UP FOR ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

AND THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

UP FOR ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

AND THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

WHAT IS THE FUTURE GOVERNMENT AND THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

WHAT IS THE FUTURE GOVERNMENT GOING TO BE LIKE?

WHAT IS THE FUTURE GOVERNMENT GOING TO BE LIKE?

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTION GOING TO BE LIKE?

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTION MARKS HANGING OVER THIS SO THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTION MARKS HANGING OVER THIS PROCESS.

MARKS HANGING OVER THIS PROCESS.

>> PHYSICALLY GETTING OUT OF PROCESS.

>> PHYSICALLY GETTING OUT OF AFGHANISTAN IS GOING TO BE HARD >> PHYSICALLY GETTING OUT OF AFGHANISTAN IS GOING TO BE HARD ENOUGH.

AFGHANISTAN IS GOING TO BE HARD ENOUGH.

GWEN: AND THANK YOU BOTH VERY ENOUGH.

GWEN: AND THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

GWEN: AND THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

VERY INTERESTING.

MUCH.

VERY INTERESTING.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE NATION'S VERY INTERESTING.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE NATION'S SECRETS, THE PENDULUM APPEARS WHEN IT COMES TO THE NATION'S SECRETS, THE PENDULUM APPEARS TO BE SWINGING TOWARD KEEPING SECRETS, THE PENDULUM APPEARS TO BE SWINGING TOWARD KEEPING MORE OF THEM.

TO BE SWINGING TOWARD KEEPING MORE OF THEM.

THIS IS HOW MIKE ROGERS, THE MORE OF THEM.

THIS IS HOW MIKE ROGERS, THE REPUBLICAN WHO CHAIRS THE HOUSE THIS IS HOW MIKE ROGERS, THE REPUBLICAN WHO CHAIRS THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, PUT IT.

REPUBLICAN WHO CHAIRS THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, PUT IT.

>> LISTEN, WE STILL NEED INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, PUT IT.

>> LISTEN, WE STILL NEED SECRETS IN THE UNITED STATES.

>> LISTEN, WE STILL NEED SECRETS IN THE UNITED STATES.

IF WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT SECRETS IN THE UNITED STATES.

IF WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT AMERICANS, OUR NATIONAL IF WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT AMERICANS, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY APPEAR RATUS STILL AMERICANS, OUR NATIONAL SECURITY APPEAR RATUS STILL NEEDS TO KEEP SECRETS ABOUT NOW SECURITY APPEAR RATUS STILL NEEDS TO KEEP SECRETS ABOUT NOW WE DO THINGS.

NEEDS TO KEEP SECRETS ABOUT NOW WE DO THINGS.

GWEN: ON THIS, ROGERS AND THE WE DO THINGS.

GWEN: ON THIS, ROGERS AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION APPEAR TO GWEN: ON THIS, ROGERS AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION APPEAR TO AGREE.

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION APPEAR TO AGREE.

SO WHAT ARE THE BASICS OF THEIR AGREE.

SO WHAT ARE THE BASICS OF THEIR ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THIS SHOULD SO WHAT ARE THE BASICS OF THEIR ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THIS SHOULD BE THE SECRETS SHOULD BE KEPT?

ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THIS SHOULD BE THE SECRETS SHOULD BE KEPT?

>> WELL, WE'RE STILL DEALING BE THE SECRETS SHOULD BE KEPT?

>> WELL, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THE FALLOUT FROM THE >> WELL, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THE FALLOUT FROM THE N.S.A.

REVELATIONS ABOUT WITH THE FALLOUT FROM THE N.S.A.

REVELATIONS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE.

N.S.A.

REVELATIONS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE.

AND THE BASIC ARGUMENT IS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE.

AND THE BASIC ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE NEED TO COLLECT SECRET AND THE BASIC ARGUMENT IS ABOUT THE NEED TO COLLECT SECRET PERSONAL DATA.

THE NEED TO COLLECT SECRET PERSONAL DATA.

IT'S ALL ABOUT DATA.

PERSONAL DATA.

IT'S ALL ABOUT DATA.

THAT'S WHERE THE ACTION IS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT DATA.

THAT'S WHERE THE ACTION IS.

IN THIS ELECTRONIC DAY AND THAT'S WHERE THE ACTION IS.

IN THIS ELECTRONIC DAY AND ANAL, THEY'RE GOING -- DAY AND IN THIS ELECTRONIC DAY AND ANAL, THEY'RE GOING -- DAY AND AGE, THEY'RE GOING AFTER ANAL, THEY'RE GOING -- DAY AND AGE, THEY'RE GOING AFTER RECORDS, WIRE TRANSFERS, AGE, THEY'RE GOING AFTER RECORDS, WIRE TRANSFERS, EMAILS, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO RECORDS, WIRE TRANSFERS, EMAILS, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE TERRORISTS ARE BEFOREHAND, EMAILS, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE TERRORISTS ARE BEFOREHAND, YOU NEED TO COLLECT DATA LIKE THE TERRORISTS ARE BEFOREHAND, YOU NEED TO COLLECT DATA LIKE THAT ABOUT AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU NEED TO COLLECT DATA LIKE THAT ABOUT AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS MUCH DATA AS YOU THAT ABOUT AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS MUCH DATA AS YOU CAN.

YOU CAN AND AS MUCH DATA AS YOU CAN.

YOU NEED THIS VAST COLLECTION.

CAN.

YOU NEED THIS VAST COLLECTION.

AND THIS WAS THE WEEK WHEN THE YOU NEED THIS VAST COLLECTION.

AND THIS WAS THE WEEK WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION LAID OUT ITS AND THIS WAS THE WEEK WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION LAID OUT ITS CASE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING ADMINISTRATION LAID OUT ITS CASE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THAT.

CASE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THAT.

THERE IS THIS INTERESTING THAT.

THERE IS THIS INTERESTING HEARING BEFORE THE ENTIRE HOUSE THERE IS THIS INTERESTING HEARING BEFORE THE ENTIRE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WHERE HEARING BEFORE THE ENTIRE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WHERE YOU HAD -- YOU HAD THE N.S.A.

INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WHERE YOU HAD -- YOU HAD THE N.S.A.

REPRESENTED.

YOU HAD -- YOU HAD THE N.S.A.

REPRESENTED.

GENERAL ALEXANDER WAS THERE.

REPRESENTED.

GENERAL ALEXANDER WAS THERE.

THE HEAD OF THE N.S.A.

AND THE GENERAL ALEXANDER WAS THERE.

THE HEAD OF THE N.S.A.

AND THE F.B.I.

AND THE JUSTICE THE HEAD OF THE N.S.A.

AND THE F.B.I.

AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

F.B.I.

AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

YOU HAD THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT.

YOU HAD THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.

YOU HAD THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.

OFFICE THERE.

NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.

OFFICE THERE.

THEY LAID OUT IN GREAT DETAIL OFFICE THERE.

THEY LAID OUT IN GREAT DETAIL THEIR CASE FOR WHY THIS THEY LAID OUT IN GREAT DETAIL THEIR CASE FOR WHY THIS SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM IS THEIR CASE FOR WHY THIS SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT.

SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM IS IMPORTANT.

AND THE INTERESTING THING IS IMPORTANT.

AND THE INTERESTING THING IS THERE WASN'T ONE MEMBER OF AND THE INTERESTING THING IS THERE WASN'T ONE MEMBER OF CONGRESS IN SPITE OF ALL THIS THERE WASN'T ONE MEMBER OF CONGRESS IN SPITE OF ALL THIS CONTROVERSY, THERE WASN'T ONE CONGRESS IN SPITE OF ALL THIS CONTROVERSY, THERE WASN'T ONE MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT REALLY CONTROVERSY, THERE WASN'T ONE MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT REALLY STOOD UP AND GAVE THEM A HARD MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT REALLY STOOD UP AND GAVE THEM A HARD TIME.

STOOD UP AND GAVE THEM A HARD TIME.

SO I THINK FROM THAT POINT OF TIME.

SO I THINK FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD SO I THINK FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD WEEK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

VIEW, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A GOOD WEEK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

GWEN: WHERE IS THE PRESIDENT IN WEEK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

GWEN: WHERE IS THE PRESIDENT IN THIS ARGUMENT?

GWEN: WHERE IS THE PRESIDENT IN THIS ARGUMENT?

OF COURSE HE'S DEFENDING THIS ARGUMENT?

OF COURSE HE'S DEFENDING HIMSELF TO ANGELA MERKEL, OF COURSE HE'S DEFENDING HIMSELF TO ANGELA MERKEL, FRIEND IN GERMANY.

HIMSELF TO ANGELA MERKEL, FRIEND IN GERMANY.

OTHER THAN THAT IS IT MORE FRIEND IN GERMANY.

OTHER THAN THAT IS IT MORE CREDIBLE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TO OTHER THAN THAT IS IT MORE CREDIBLE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TO LEAVE IT TO THE F.B.I., THE CREDIBLE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TO LEAVE IT TO THE F.B.I., THE N.S.A., THE GUYS WITH THE FRUIT LEAVE IT TO THE F.B.I., THE N.S.A., THE GUYS WITH THE FRUIT ON THEIR SHOULDERS WHEN -- N.S.A., THE GUYS WITH THE FRUIT ON THEIR SHOULDERS WHEN -- >> IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE ON THEIR SHOULDERS WHEN -- >> IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE I.R.S.

SCANDAL, THE BENGHAZI >> IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE I.R.S.

SCANDAL, THE BENGHAZI SCANDAL, I THINK THIS I.R.S.

SCANDAL, THE BENGHAZI SCANDAL, I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION IS GRATEFUL TO SCANDAL, I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION IS GRATEFUL TO HAVE A SCANDAL THAT IS NOT ADMINISTRATION IS GRATEFUL TO HAVE A SCANDAL THAT IS NOT BREAKING OUT ALONG PARTISAN HAVE A SCANDAL THAT IS NOT BREAKING OUT ALONG PARTISAN LINES.

BREAKING OUT ALONG PARTISAN LINES.

SO I THINK -- LINES.

SO I THINK -- GWEN: YEAH.

SO I THINK -- GWEN: YEAH.

>> LET IT BE AT THAT.

GWEN: YEAH.

>> LET IT BE AT THAT.

GWEN: THE GUYS IN UNIFORM AND >> LET IT BE AT THAT.

GWEN: THE GUYS IN UNIFORM AND BE DONE WITH IT.

GWEN: THE GUYS IN UNIFORM AND BE DONE WITH IT.

>> THE PRESIDENT IN THE ROSE BE DONE WITH IT.

>> THE PRESIDENT IN THE ROSE GARDEN INTRODUCED JIM COLME, AS >> THE PRESIDENT IN THE ROSE GARDEN INTRODUCED JIM COLME, AS HIS CHOICE FOR THE NEW F.B.I.

GARDEN INTRODUCED JIM COLME, AS HIS CHOICE FOR THE NEW F.B.I.

DIRECTOR AND ALLUDES TO THESE HIS CHOICE FOR THE NEW F.B.I.

DIRECTOR AND ALLUDES TO THESE QUESTIONS AND WHAT JIM COLME IS DIRECTOR AND ALLUDES TO THESE QUESTIONS AND WHAT JIM COLME IS KNOWN FOR REFUSING TO AUTHORIZE QUESTIONS AND WHAT JIM COLME IS KNOWN FOR REFUSING TO AUTHORIZE A SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM DURING KNOWN FOR REFUSING TO AUTHORIZE A SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND A SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND OBAMA USING HIM AS CRUTCH OR THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND OBAMA USING HIM AS CRUTCH OR DEFENSE IN HIS ARGUMENT.

OBAMA USING HIM AS CRUTCH OR DEFENSE IN HIS ARGUMENT.

>> AND THINKING ABOUT THE BUSH DEFENSE IN HIS ARGUMENT.

>> AND THINKING ABOUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND 50 PLOTS >> AND THINKING ABOUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AND 50 PLOTS THAT WERE PREVENTED WHICH ADMINISTRATION AND 50 PLOTS THAT WERE PREVENTED WHICH REMINDS ME OF WHAT THE BUSH THAT WERE PREVENTED WHICH REMINDS ME OF WHAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAID IN THE SAME REMINDS ME OF WHAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAID IN THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION.

ADMINISTRATION SAID IN THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION.

HOW CREDIBLE IS THAT?

TYPE OF SITUATION.

HOW CREDIBLE IS THAT?

WE DOUBTED IT BACK THEN, DO WE HOW CREDIBLE IS THAT?

WE DOUBTED IT BACK THEN, DO WE DOUBT IT TODAY?

WE DOUBTED IT BACK THEN, DO WE DOUBT IT TODAY?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE NUMBER 50 DOUBT IT TODAY?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE NUMBER 50 JUMPS OUT.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE NUMBER 50 JUMPS OUT.

BUT OF THOSE 50 ONLY 10 WERE IN JUMPS OUT.

BUT OF THOSE 50 ONLY 10 WERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

BUT OF THOSE 50 ONLY 10 WERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND I THINK AMERICANS ARE THE UNITED STATES.

AND I THINK AMERICANS ARE CONCERNED MOST ABOUT TERRORIST AND I THINK AMERICANS ARE CONCERNED MOST ABOUT TERRORIST ATTEMPTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

CONCERNED MOST ABOUT TERRORIST ATTEMPTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

10 IN THE UNITED STATES.

ATTEMPTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

10 IN THE UNITED STATES.

THEY LAID OUT DETAILS ABOUT 10 IN THE UNITED STATES.

THEY LAID OUT DETAILS ABOUT FOUR OF THEM.

THEY LAID OUT DETAILS ABOUT FOUR OF THEM.

CLEARLY THIS SURVEILLANCE, FOUR OF THEM.

CLEARLY THIS SURVEILLANCE, WHETHER PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS, CLEARLY THIS SURVEILLANCE, WHETHER PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS, PLAYED A PART IN CRACKING THESE WHETHER PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS, PLAYED A PART IN CRACKING THESE 10 CASES.

PLAYED A PART IN CRACKING THESE 10 CASES.

NOW, THE THING ABOUT 10 CASES.

NOW, THE THING ABOUT ANTI-TERRORISM, NOW, THE THING ABOUT ANTI-TERRORISM, COUNTERTERRORISM EFFORTS, AS ANTI-TERRORISM, COUNTERTERRORISM EFFORTS, AS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE COUNTERTERRORISM EFFORTS, AS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE F.B.I.

SAID, IT'S MORE OF AN THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE F.B.I.

SAID, IT'S MORE OF AN ART THAN A SCIENCE.

F.B.I.

SAID, IT'S MORE OF AN ART THAN A SCIENCE.

AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ART THAN A SCIENCE.

AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PARTICULAR TECHNIQUE IT IS THAT AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PARTICULAR TECHNIQUE IT IS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BREAK.

PARTICULAR TECHNIQUE IT IS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BREAK.

BECAUSE YOU PUT TOGETHER A LOT ALLOWS YOU TO BREAK.

BECAUSE YOU PUT TOGETHER A LOT OF -- A LOT OF EFFORTS OF WHICH BECAUSE YOU PUT TOGETHER A LOT OF -- A LOT OF EFFORTS OF WHICH PART OF THEM WERE SURVEILLANCE.

OF -- A LOT OF EFFORTS OF WHICH PART OF THEM WERE SURVEILLANCE.

AND SOME OF THE CRETICS OF THE PART OF THEM WERE SURVEILLANCE.

AND SOME OF THE CRETICS OF THE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM SAY THE AND SOME OF THE CRETICS OF THE SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM SAY THE ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM SAY THE ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY OVEREMPHASIZING HOW IMPORTANT ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY OVEREMPHASIZING HOW IMPORTANT THE SURVEILLANCE WAS AND COULD OVEREMPHASIZING HOW IMPORTANT THE SURVEILLANCE WAS AND COULD HAVE CRACKED THESE CASES THE SURVEILLANCE WAS AND COULD HAVE CRACKED THESE CASES WITHOUT THE SURVEILLANCE.

HAVE CRACKED THESE CASES WITHOUT THE SURVEILLANCE.

AND REALLY HARD TO KNOW UNLESS WITHOUT THE SURVEILLANCE.

AND REALLY HARD TO KNOW UNLESS MORE DETAILS ARE GIVEN.

AND REALLY HARD TO KNOW UNLESS MORE DETAILS ARE GIVEN.

>> WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WE'RE MORE DETAILS ARE GIVEN.

>> WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WE'RE TWO WEEKS INTO KNOWING THIS >> WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WE'RE TWO WEEKS INTO KNOWING THIS INCENDIARY INFORMATION ABOUT TWO WEEKS INTO KNOWING THIS INCENDIARY INFORMATION ABOUT TRACKING OUR PHONES AND OUR INCENDIARY INFORMATION ABOUT TRACKING OUR PHONES AND OUR EMAILS AND EVERYTHING.

TRACKING OUR PHONES AND OUR EMAILS AND EVERYTHING.

HOW DO YOU THINK THE PUBLIC EMAILS AND EVERYTHING.

HOW DO YOU THINK THE PUBLIC REACTION IS PLAYING?

HOW DO YOU THINK THE PUBLIC REACTION IS PLAYING?

BECAUSE WE HEAR THE ACLU AND WE REACTION IS PLAYING?

BECAUSE WE HEAR THE ACLU AND WE HEAR RON WYDEN AND CERTAIN BECAUSE WE HEAR THE ACLU AND WE HEAR RON WYDEN AND CERTAIN DEMOCRATS SAY THIS IS WRONG AND HEAR RON WYDEN AND CERTAIN DEMOCRATS SAY THIS IS WRONG AND WE CAN'T DO IT BUT I HAVE NOT DEMOCRATS SAY THIS IS WRONG AND WE CAN'T DO IT BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD A GIANT HUE AND CRY FROM WE CAN'T DO IT BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD A GIANT HUE AND CRY FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT IF I'M HEARD A GIANT HUE AND CRY FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT IF I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING -- THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT IF I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING -- >> EDWARD SNOWDEN THE N.S.A.

NOT DOING ANYTHING -- >> EDWARD SNOWDEN THE N.S.A.

LEAKER CHARGES WERE FILED >> EDWARD SNOWDEN THE N.S.A.

LEAKER CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HIM.

LEAKER CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST HIM.

>> AND POLLS SAY CHARGES SHOULD AGAINST HIM.

>> AND POLLS SAY CHARGES SHOULD BE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM.

>> AND POLLS SAY CHARGES SHOULD BE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM.

I THINK IT DEPENDS A LOT ON HOW BE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM.

I THINK IT DEPENDS A LOT ON HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION.

I THINK IT DEPENDS A LOT ON HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTION.

DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT YOU ASK THE QUESTION.

DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT SNOOPING ON YOU?

DO YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT SNOOPING ON YOU?

NO.

SNOOPING ON YOU?

NO.

DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT NO.

DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE READING EMAILS IN DO YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE READING EMAILS IN ORDER TO CRACK TERRORISTS?

SHOULD BE READING EMAILS IN ORDER TO CRACK TERRORISTS?

YES.

ORDER TO CRACK TERRORISTS?

YES.

THE SAME PEOPLE WILL ANSWER THE YES.

THE SAME PEOPLE WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION TWICE.

THE SAME PEOPLE WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION TWICE.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS QUESTION TWICE.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN INTERESTING AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN INTERESTING AND WHAT'S COME OUT IN LAST FEW THAT'S BEEN INTERESTING AND WHAT'S COME OUT IN LAST FEW DAYS IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT -- WHAT'S COME OUT IN LAST FEW DAYS IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT -- YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE PROGRAMS DAYS IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT -- YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE PROGRAMS IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE PROGRAMS IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM IN TERMS IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM IN TERMS OF THE SURVEILLANCE, AND THE YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM IN TERMS OF THE SURVEILLANCE, AND THE SNOOPING THAT'S GOING ON.

OF THE SURVEILLANCE, AND THE SNOOPING THAT'S GOING ON.

OR YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW MANY SNOOPING THAT'S GOING ON.

OR YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW MANY RESTRICTIONS ARE PUT ON THE OR YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW MANY RESTRICTIONS ARE PUT ON THE AGENCIES IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

RESTRICTIONS ARE PUT ON THE AGENCIES IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

AND WHAT WE FOUND -- SOME OF AGENCIES IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

AND WHAT WE FOUND -- SOME OF THESE COURT ORDERS COME OUT, AND WHAT WE FOUND -- SOME OF THESE COURT ORDERS COME OUT, YOU CAN BE SCANDALIZED BY THEM THESE COURT ORDERS COME OUT, YOU CAN BE SCANDALIZED BY THEM OR YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE YOU CAN BE SCANDALIZED BY THEM OR YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE AND SEE THAT IT'S OR YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE AND SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY VERY HARD TO DO THIS.

LANGUAGE AND SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY VERY HARD TO DO THIS.

GWEN: OK. ACTUALLY VERY HARD TO DO THIS.

GWEN: OK. WELL, THANK YOU, TOM.

GWEN: OK. WELL, THANK YOU, TOM.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE ELSE AS WELL, THANK YOU, TOM.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE ELSE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE ELSE AS WELL.

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