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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipGWEN: GOVERNMENT AT ITS MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL, WHO'S WAY, WHICH HIGHWAY?
DYSFUNCTIONAL, WHO'S WAY, WHICH HIGHWAY?
WE EXAMINE THE FALLOUT FROM THE HIGHWAY?
WE EXAMINE THE FALLOUT FROM THE TONIGHT ONDOWN WE EXAMINE THE FALLOUT FROM THE TONIGHT ONDOWN "WASHINGTON WEEK."
TONIGHT ONDOWN "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> THERE'S A DEAL AND THAT DEAL "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> THERE'S A DEAL AND THAT DEAL AMERICA HOPE, BUT IT >> THERE'S A DEAL AND THAT DEAL AMERICA HOPE, BUT IT DOESN'T GET US OUT OF THE MESS AMERICA HOPE, BUT IT DOESN'T GET US OUT OF THE MESS WE'RE IN.
DOESN'T GET US OUT OF THE MESS WE'RE IN.
>> WE HAVE TAKEN WHAT LITTLE WE'RE IN.
>> WE HAVE TAKEN WHAT LITTLE AMERICAN PUBLIC >> WE HAVE TAKEN WHAT LITTLE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAD IN THIS INSTITUTION AND OUR AMERICAN PUBLIC HAD IN THIS INSTITUTION AND OUR INSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES HAD IN THIS INSTITUTION AND OUR INSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SHOOKSS AND ONCE AGAIN INSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES SHOOKSS AND ONCE AGAIN IT.
SHOOKSS AND ONCE AGAIN IT.
GWEN: THE GOVERNMENT REOPENS.
IT.
GWEN: THE GOVERNMENT REOPENS.
>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.
GWEN: THE GOVERNMENT REOPENS.
>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.
GWEN: THE DEBT CEILING IS >> WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.
GWEN: THE DEBT CEILING IS RAISED.
GWEN: THE DEBT CEILING IS RAISED.
SOME REPUBLICANS AND SOME RAISED.
SOME REPUBLICANS AND SOME DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY TALKING SOME REPUBLICANS AND SOME DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ONE ANOTHER.
DEMOCRATS ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ONE ANOTHER.
>> WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE ONE ANOTHER.
>> WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE TWO -- THE COMMON GROUND BETWEEN >> WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE TWO -- THE COMMON GROUND BETWEEN THAT WE BOTH CAN TWO -- THE COMMON GROUND BETWEEN THAT WE BOTH CAN VOTE ON AND THAT'S OUR GOAL.
THAT WE BOTH CAN VOTE ON AND THAT'S OUR GOAL.
GWEN: BUT HAS THE LATEST CRISIS VOTE ON AND THAT'S OUR GOAL.
GWEN: BUT HAS THE LATEST CRISIS PERMANENTLYTON GWEN: BUT HAS THE LATEST CRISIS PERMANENTLYTON BROKEN?
PERMANENTLYTON BROKEN?
>> LET'S BE CLEAR.
BROKEN?
>> LET'S BE CLEAR.
THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE.
>> LET'S BE CLEAR.
THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE.
THE MEDIA KEEPS ASKING, WAS THERE ARE NO WINNERS HERE.
THE MEDIA KEEPS ASKING, WAS IT WORTH IT?
THE MEDIA KEEPS ASKING, WAS IT WORTH IT?
ANSMYWER IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS IT WORTH IT?
ANSMYWER IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS IT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
ANSMYWER IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS IT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
GWEN: WEOOK LAT THE DEAL THAT IT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
GWEN: WEOOK LAT THE DEAL THAT GLOBAL CALAMITY AND WHY GWEN: WEOOK LAT THE DEAL THAT GLOBAL CALAMITY AND WHY WITHULD BREAK DOWN AGAIN GLOBAL CALAMITY AND WHY WITHULD BREAK DOWN AGAIN CHUCK BABINGTON OF THE WITHULD BREAK DOWN AGAIN CHUCK BABINGTON OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, DAN BALZ OF CHUCK BABINGTON OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, DAN BALZ OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," JACKIE ASSOCIATED PRESS, DAN BALZ OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," JACKIE TIMES,"F THE "NEW YORK THE "WASHINGTON POST," JACKIE TIMES,"F THE "NEW YORK NEWS.FF ZELENY OF ABC TIMES,"F THE "NEW YORK NEWS.FF ZELENY OF ABC >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND NEWS.FF ZELENY OF ABC >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND AS ITIS, COVERING HISTORY >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND AS ITIS, COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS.
AS ITIS, COVERING HISTORY HAPPENS.
CAPITAL, OUR NATION'S HAPPENS.
CAPITAL, OUR NATION'S THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH CAPITAL, OUR NATION'S THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.
77 00:03:47,328 --> 00:03:48,527 LIVE FROM, WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
TEMPTING TO LOOK AT HOW GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
TEMPTING TO LOOK AT HOW OCTOBER HAS UNFOLDED IN THE TEMPTING TO LOOK AT HOW OCTOBER HAS UNFOLDED IN THE THINK ONLYPITAL AND OCTOBER HAS UNFOLDED IN THE THINK ONLYPITAL AND OF THE PERSONALITIES.
THINK ONLYPITAL AND OF THE PERSONALITIES.
SPENT FACING OFF OF THE PERSONALITIES.
SPENT FACING OFF A PARTISAN DIVIDE THAT AND SPENT FACING OFF A PARTISAN DIVIDE THAT AND TOO WIDE TO CROSS, OUR A PARTISAN DIVIDE THAT AND TOO WIDE TO CROSS, OUR COUNTRY CAME TO THE BRINK OF TOO WIDE TO CROSS, OUR COUNTRY CAME TO THE BRINK OF DISASTER.
COUNTRY CAME TO THE BRINK OF DISASTER.
>> THIS IS FAR LESS THAN MANY OF DISASTER.
>> THIS IS FAR LESS THAN MANY OF HAD HOPED FOR, FRANKLY, BUT >> THIS IS FAR LESS THAN MANY OF HAD HOPED FOR, FRANKLY, BUT IT'S FAR BETTER THAN WHAT SOME HAD HOPED FOR, FRANKLY, BUT IT'S FAR BETTER THAN WHAT SOME HAD SOUGHT.
IT'S FAR BETTER THAN WHAT SOME HAD SOUGHT.
NOW IT'S TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO HAD SOUGHT.
NOW IT'S TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO OTHER CRUCIAL NOW IT'S TIME FOR REPUBLICANS TO OTHER CRUCIAL GOALS.
OTHER CRUCIAL GOALS.
>> THE ANSWERS ARE NOT GOING TO GOALS.
>> THE ANSWERS ARE NOT GOING TO FROM WASHINGTON.
>> THE ANSWERS ARE NOT GOING TO FROM WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON IS BROKEN, BUT THE FROM WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON IS BROKEN, BUT THE TO COME FROMOING WASHINGTON IS BROKEN, BUT THE TO COME FROMOING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
TO COME FROMOING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE, THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE, THAT AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE >> THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE, THAT AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY FED UP WITH AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY FED UP WITH WASHINGTON.
COMPLETELY FED UP WITH WASHINGTON.
A MOMENT WHEN OUR ECONOMIC WASHINGTON.
A MOMENT WHEN OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY DEMANDS MORE JOBS, MORE A MOMENT WHEN OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY DEMANDS MORE JOBS, MORE MOMENTUM, WE'VE GOT YET ANOTHER RECOVERY DEMANDS MORE JOBS, MORE MOMENTUM, WE'VE GOT YET ANOTHER SELF-INFLICTED CRISIS THAT SET MOMENTUM, WE'VE GOT YET ANOTHER SELF-INFLICTED CRISIS THAT SET ECONOMY FOR WHAT?
SELF-INFLICTED CRISIS THAT SET ECONOMY FOR WHAT?
GWEN: FOR WHAT, INDEED.
ECONOMY FOR WHAT?
GWEN: FOR WHAT, INDEED.
AMONG THE QUESTIONS GWEN: FOR WHAT, INDEED.
AMONG THE QUESTIONS WE'LL BE TACKLING TONIGHT BUT AMONG THE QUESTIONS WE'LL BE TACKLING TONIGHT BUT FIRST, THE QUESTION SO MANY WE'LL BE TACKLING TONIGHT BUT FIRST, THE QUESTION SO MANY ITRICANS ARE ASKING, HOW DID FIRST, THE QUESTION SO MANY ITRICANS ARE ASKING, HOW DID COME TO THIS.
ITRICANS ARE ASKING, HOW DID COME TO THIS.
DAN?
COME TO THIS.
DAN?
I THOUGHT YOU'D KNOW THE ANSWER DAN?
I THOUGHT YOU'D KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE.
I THOUGHT YOU'D KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN TO THAT ONE.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME, AS WE WELL, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME, AS WE THREEND I THINK THERE ARE BUILDING FOR A LONG TIME, AS WE THREEND I THINK THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT CAME TOGETHER IN THREEND I THINK THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT CAME TOGETHER IN THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT.
ELEMENTS THAT CAME TOGETHER IN THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT.
ONE IS THE GROWING POLARIZATION.
THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT.
ONE IS THE GROWING POLARIZATION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE IS THE GROWING POLARIZATION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS REPEATEDLY AROUND THIS TABLE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS REPEATEDLY AROUND THIS TABLE, TWOSORTING OUT OF THE REPEATEDLY AROUND THIS TABLE, TWOSORTING OUT OF THE PARTIES.
TWOSORTING OUT OF THE PARTIES.
ONE FARTHER APART FROM THE OTHER PARTIES.
ONE FARTHER APART FROM THE OTHER LONG TIME SEEN IN A ONE FARTHER APART FROM THE OTHER LONG TIME SEEN IN A AND WE SEE THAT DEFINITELY IN LONG TIME SEEN IN A AND WE SEE THAT DEFINITELY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
AND WE SEE THAT DEFINITELY IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
VAST DIFFERENCE, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
VAST DIFFERENCE, NOW, IN HOW PEOPLE VIEW CERTAIN VAST DIFFERENCE, NOW, IN HOW PEOPLE VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES, HOW THE TWO PARTIES VIEW NOW, IN HOW PEOPLE VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES, HOW THE TWO PARTIES VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES.
ISSUES, HOW THE TWO PARTIES VIEW CERTAIN ISSUES.
THERE IS VERY LITTLE COMMON CERTAIN ISSUES.
THERE IS VERY LITTLE COMMON GROUND ON SOME OF THESE BIG THERE IS VERY LITTLE COMMON GROUND ON SOME OF THESE BIG ISSUES.
GROUND ON SOME OF THESE BIG ISSUES.
ORS EITHER WE'RE ALL FOR IT ISSUES.
ORS EITHER WE'RE ALL FOR IT WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT AND THE ORS EITHER WE'RE ALL FOR IT WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT AND THE THIRD, FRANKLY, IS THE RISE OF WE'RE ALL AGAINST IT AND THE THIRD, FRANKLY, IS THE RISE OF PARTY AND THE ARRIVAL OF THIRD, FRANKLY, IS THE RISE OF PARTY AND THE ARRIVAL OF A FACTION OF NEW MEMBERS IN THE PARTY AND THE ARRIVAL OF A FACTION OF NEW MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO A FACTION OF NEW MEMBERS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO TOE DETERMINED NOT SIMPLY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHO TOE DETERMINED NOT SIMPLY SLOW DOWN THE DIRECTION OF A TOE DETERMINED NOT SIMPLY SLOW DOWN THE DIRECTION OF A COUNTRY THEY THINK WAS GOING IN SLOW DOWN THE DIRECTION OF A COUNTRY THEY THINK WAS GOING IN DIRECTION, BUT TO COUNTRY THEY THINK WAS GOING IN DIRECTION, BUT TO REVERSE IT AND TO USE DIRECTION, BUT TO REVERSE IT AND TO USE EXTRAORDINARY METHODS WHICH THEY REVERSE IT AND TO USE EXTRAORDINARY METHODS WHICH THEY CASE TO TRY TO STOP EXTRAORDINARY METHODS WHICH THEY CASE TO TRY TO STOP IT AND IT LED TO THE SHUTDOWN.
CASE TO TRY TO STOP IT AND IT LED TO THE SHUTDOWN.
DAN'S RIGHT.
IT AND IT LED TO THE SHUTDOWN.
DAN'S RIGHT.
THE THING I WAS STRUCK BY OVER DAN'S RIGHT.
THE THING I WAS STRUCK BY OVER AND OVER THE LAST -- I THINK IT THE THING I WAS STRUCK BY OVER AND OVER THE LAST -- I THINK IT BUT THIS HAS BEEN AND OVER THE LAST -- I THINK IT BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A MONTH.
BUT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A MONTH.
THE DEBATE STARTED MID SEPTEMBER GOING ON FOR A MONTH.
THE DEBATE STARTED MID SEPTEMBER WASI WOULD ALWAYS ASK AS I THE DEBATE STARTED MID SEPTEMBER WASI WOULD ALWAYS ASK AS I WALKING THROUGH THE HALLS OF WASI WOULD ALWAYS ASK AS I WALKING THROUGH THE HALLS OF CONGRESS, AS THE TEA PARTY WALKING THROUGH THE HALLS OF CONGRESS, AS THE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS, IS THIS WORTH IT, CONGRESS, AS THE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS, IS THIS WORTH IT, MAKING YOUR CASE AND I REPUBLICANS, IS THIS WORTH IT, MAKING YOUR CASE AND I WAS STRUCK BY ONE THING I KEPT MAKING YOUR CASE AND I WAS STRUCK BY ONE THING I KEPT HEARING.
WAS STRUCK BY ONE THING I KEPT HEARING.
ON HEALTHCARE, IT SEEMED LIKE HEARING.
ON HEALTHCARE, IT SEEMED LIKE THIS HAD BEEN LITIGATED.
ON HEALTHCARE, IT SEEMED LIKE THIS HAD BEEN LITIGATED.
OVERARTED OUT AS A FIGHT THIS HAD BEEN LITIGATED.
OVERARTED OUT AS A FIGHT OBAMACARE AND THE 2012 ELECTIONS OVERARTED OUT AS A FIGHT OBAMACARE AND THE 2012 ELECTIONS SEEMED TO ILLITTIGATE THAT BUT OBAMACARE AND THE 2012 ELECTIONS SEEMED TO ILLITTIGATE THAT BUT PERSON THESE TEA PARTY SEEMED TO ILLITTIGATE THAT BUT PERSON THESE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE WAVE PERSON THESE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE WAVE NO, THESAID, NO, NO, REPUBLICANS ELECTED IN THE WAVE NO, THESAID, NO, NO, 2012 ELECTION WAS NOT ABOUT NO, THESAID, NO, NO, 2012 ELECTION WAS NOT ABOUT HEALTHCARE.
2012 ELECTION WAS NOT ABOUT HEALTHCARE.
THE ONLY ELECTION THAT'S BEEN HEALTHCARE.
THE ONLY ELECTION THAT'S BEEN WAS 2010 ANDARE THE ONLY ELECTION THAT'S BEEN WAS 2010 ANDARE THAT WAS A STRONG REFERENDUM WAS 2010 ANDARE THAT WAS A STRONG REFERENDUM AGAINST IT SO I LOOKED -- SOME THAT WAS A STRONG REFERENDUM AGAINST IT SO I LOOKED -- SOME OF THESE NUMBERS OF CONGRESS IN AGAINST IT SO I LOOKED -- SOME OF THESE NUMBERS OF CONGRESS IN EYE.
OF THESE NUMBERS OF CONGRESS IN EYE.
OF IDAHO SAIDOR EYE.
OF IDAHO SAIDOR THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON OF IDAHO SAIDOR THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON HEALTHCARE, WE'RE SENT HERE TO THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON HEALTHCARE, WE'RE SENT HERE TO DO THIS AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS HEALTHCARE, WE'RE SENT HERE TO DO THIS AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH IT.
DO THIS AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH IT.
EVEN AT THE END OF ALL THIS, WORTH IT.
EVEN AT THE END OF ALL THIS, THEY WERE SAYING IT WAS WORTH EVEN AT THE END OF ALL THIS, THEY WERE SAYING IT WAS WORTH IT.
THEY WERE SAYING IT WAS WORTH IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS STRUCK BY IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS STRUCK BY BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT, MITCH THAT'S WHAT I WAS STRUCK BY BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT, MITCH MCCONNELL SAID IT WASN'T WORTH BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT, MITCH MCCONNELL SAID IT WASN'T WORTH DISCONNECTS'S HUGE MCCONNELL SAID IT WASN'T WORTH DISCONNECTS'S HUGE STILL.
DISCONNECTS'S HUGE STILL.
>> THERE'S DISCONNECTS WITHIN STILL.
>> THERE'S DISCONNECTS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, >> THERE'S DISCONNECTS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, PARTY.ECTS ACROSS THE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, PARTY.ECTS ACROSS THE NANCY PELOSI WAS TALKING ABOUT PARTY.ECTS ACROSS THE NANCY PELOSI WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE SEES AS CYNICISM ON THE NANCY PELOSI WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE SEES AS CYNICISM ON THE OTHER SIDE.
WHAT SHE SEES AS CYNICISM ON THE OTHER SIDE.
LET'S LISTEN.
OTHER SIDE.
LET'S LISTEN.
>> CYNICISM IS ABOUT THE FACT LET'S LISTEN.
>> CYNICISM IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT WAS CLOSED FOR >> CYNICISM IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT WAS CLOSED FOR 16 DAYS, THE FULL FAITH AND THAT GOVERNMENT WAS CLOSED FOR 16 DAYS, THE FULL FAITH AND DOUBT OF AMERICA WAS IN 16 DAYS, THE FULL FAITH AND DOUBT OF AMERICA WAS IN AND WHY?
DOUBT OF AMERICA WAS IN AND WHY?
BECAUSE THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT I'D AND WHY?
BECAUSE THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT I'D IDEOLOGUE IN THE BECAUSE THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT I'D IDEOLOGUE IN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WAS THE TAIL IDEOLOGUE IN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WAS THE TAIL DOG.NG THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WAS THE TAIL DOG.NG THE GWEN: WAS AN UNDERBELLY REVEALED DOG.NG THE GWEN: WAS AN UNDERBELLY REVEALED HERE OR WAS THIS TRULY A DEEP GWEN: WAS AN UNDERBELLY REVEALED HERE OR WAS THIS TRULY A DEEP UNDERBELLY OF HERE OR WAS THIS TRULY A DEEP UNDERBELLY OF STUBBORNNESS?
UNDERBELLY OF STUBBORNNESS?
>> NANCY PELOSI TALKED ABOUT STUBBORNNESS?
>> NANCY PELOSI TALKED ABOUT ANTI-GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS AND >> NANCY PELOSI TALKED ABOUT ANTI-GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS AND IN TRUTH A LOT OF HOUSE ANTI-GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS AND IN TRUTH A LOT OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED IN IN TRUTH A LOT OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED IN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES WHICH ARE REPUBLICANS ARE ELECTED IN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES WHICH ARE ALL THAT MATTER REALLY IN THEIR REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES WHICH ARE ALL THAT MATTER REALLY IN THEIR DISTRICTS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY ALL THAT MATTER REALLY IN THEIR DISTRICTS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY ANTI-GOVERNMENT.
DISTRICTS BY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY ANTI-GOVERNMENT.
GWEN: THEY WOULD AGREE WITH HER.
ANTI-GOVERNMENT.
GWEN: THEY WOULD AGREE WITH HER.
WOULD.INK THEY GWEN: THEY WOULD AGREE WITH HER.
WOULD.INK THEY AND THE THING THAT JEFF WAS WOULD.INK THEY AND THE THING THAT JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE BIG AND THE THING THAT JEFF WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE BIG OFCONNECT -- I TALK TO A LOT TALKING ABOUT, THE BIG OFCONNECT -- I TALK TO A LOT HOUSE REPUBLICANS, AS WELL, AND OFCONNECT -- I TALK TO A LOT HOUSE REPUBLICANS, AS WELL, AND WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ALL THESE HOUSE REPUBLICANS, AS WELL, AND WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ALL THESE POLLS LATELY.
WE HAVE BEEN SEEING ALL THESE POLLS LATELY.
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TAKING A POLLS LATELY.
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TAKING A POUNDING, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS TAKING A POUNDING, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GETTING CLOBBERED.
POUNDING, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GETTING CLOBBERED.
YOU TALK TO A LOT OF THESE IS GETTING CLOBBERED.
YOU TALK TO A LOT OF THESE RELATE TOD THEY DON'T YOU TALK TO A LOT OF THESE RELATE TOD THEY DON'T THOSE POLLS AT ALL BECAUSE RELATE TOD THEY DON'T THOSE POLLS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THEIR THOSE POLLS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THEIR DISTRICT WHICH IS FOR ALL THE THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THEIR DISTRICT WHICH IS FOR ALL THE DAN TALKED ABOUT, THE DISTRICT WHICH IS FOR ALL THE DAN TALKED ABOUT, THE SORTING OUT AND GERRYMANDERING, DAN TALKED ABOUT, THE SORTING OUT AND GERRYMANDERING, ARE VERY, VERY RED AND THESE SORTING OUT AND GERRYMANDERING, ARE VERY, VERY RED AND THESE DON'T REALLY -- ARE VERY, VERY RED AND THESE DON'T REALLY -- GWEN: I TELL YOU WHO'S READING DON'T REALLY -- GWEN: I TELL YOU WHO'S READING THE POLLS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, GWEN: I TELL YOU WHO'S READING THE POLLS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE POLLS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> OH, YEAH AND YET IT'S HARD TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> OH, YEAH AND YET IT'S HARD TO SEE DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S >> OH, YEAH AND YET IT'S HARD TO SEE DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S OUT OFED LEVERAGE COMING SEE DESPITE THE PRESIDENT'S OUT OFED LEVERAGE COMING THIS, THAT REALLY HE HAS A WAY OUT OFED LEVERAGE COMING THIS, THAT REALLY HE HAS A WAY FORWARD.
THIS, THAT REALLY HE HAS A WAY FORWARD.
OUT THERE,NAMIC IS FORWARD.
OUT THERE,NAMIC IS AS JEFF ALLUDED TO, THE REALLY OUT THERE,NAMIC IS AS JEFF ALLUDED TO, THE REALLY HARD-LINE CONSERVATIVES IN THE AS JEFF ALLUDED TO, THE REALLY HARD-LINE CONSERVATIVES IN THE SENATE, THE LESSON HARD-LINE CONSERVATIVES IN THE SENATE, THE LESSON THEY'RE TAKING FROM THIS IS THAT SENATE, THE LESSON THEY'RE TAKING FROM THIS IS THAT THEY WEREN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH THEY'RE TAKING FROM THIS IS THAT THEY WEREN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH UNITED ENOUGH TO THEY WEREN'T CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH UNITED ENOUGH TO PUSH THEIR WAY, WHICH DOESN'T UNITED ENOUGH TO PUSH THEIR WAY, WHICH DOESN'T THAT THEY'RE CHASTENED PUSH THEIR WAY, WHICH DOESN'T THAT THEY'RE CHASTENED AT ALL AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK THAT THEY'RE CHASTENED AT ALL AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK THE -- IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE AT ALL AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK THE -- IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE -- IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT RE-DISTRICTING.
WE TALK A LOT ABOUT RE-DISTRICTING.
DAN STARTED OUT REFERRING TO RE-DISTRICTING.
DAN STARTED OUT REFERRING TO POLARIZATION AND THAT EXPLAINS DAN STARTED OUT REFERRING TO POLARIZATION AND THAT EXPLAINS THE HOUSE.
POLARIZATION AND THAT EXPLAINS THE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE THESE VERY WELL THE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE THESE VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED DISTRICTS WHERE YOU HAVE THESE VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED DISTRICTS WHERE EVERYONE'S PACKED IN WITH LIKE CONSTRUCTED DISTRICTS WHERE EVERYONE'S PACKED IN WITH LIKE MINDED VOTERS AND IN THIS CASE EVERYONE'S PACKED IN WITH LIKE MINDED VOTERS AND IN THIS CASE VERY CONSERVATIVE ONES.
MINDED VOTERS AND IN THIS CASE VERY CONSERVATIVE ONES.
IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE VERY CONSERVATIVE ONES.
IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE SENATE AND WE'RE SEEING THAT IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE SENATE AND WE'RE SEEING THAT CHANGE IN THE SENATE.
SENATE AND WE'RE SEEING THAT CHANGE IN THE SENATE.
WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
CHANGE IN THE SENATE.
WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
SENATOR CRUZ.
WHO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
SENATOR CRUZ.
YOU HAD MIKE LEE AND BOTH OF SENATOR CRUZ.
YOU HAD MIKE LEE AND BOTH OF THEM BEAT ESTABLISHMENT YOU HAD MIKE LEE AND BOTH OF THEM BEAT ESTABLISHMENT TO GET TO THE SENATE THEM BEAT ESTABLISHMENT TO GET TO THE SENATE SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF TO GET TO THE SENATE SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF ANDISTRICTING AND BIG MONEY SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF ANDISTRICTING AND BIG MONEY ACTIVISM ON THE FAR RIGHT.
ANDISTRICTING AND BIG MONEY ACTIVISM ON THE FAR RIGHT.
GWEN: EXPLAIN TO ME AND EXPLAIN ACTIVISM ON THE FAR RIGHT.
GWEN: EXPLAIN TO ME AND EXPLAIN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCH GWEN: EXPLAIN TO ME AND EXPLAIN TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCH CASUALLY, HOW IT IS THAT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCH CASUALLY, HOW IT IS THAT THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS TO A CASUALLY, HOW IT IS THAT THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS TO A SAID THIS IS THE MAINSTREAM REPUBLICANS TO A SAID THIS IS CRAZINESS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING SAID THIS IS CRAZINESS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS, AND YET THEY WEREN'T ABLE CRAZINESS, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THIS, AND YET THEY WEREN'T ABLE IT, WHERE WERE MITCH THIS, AND YET THEY WEREN'T ABLE IT, WHERE WERE MITCH INONNELL AND JOHN BOEHNER IT, WHERE WERE MITCH INONNELL AND JOHN BOEHNER ALL OF THIS, BEING ROLLED?
INONNELL AND JOHN BOEHNER ALL OF THIS, BEING ROLLED?
>> TO SOME EXTENT.
ALL OF THIS, BEING ROLLED?
>> TO SOME EXTENT.
THERE'S A CLEAR ABSENCE OF >> TO SOME EXTENT.
THERE'S A CLEAR ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AND IN PART IT IS THERE'S A CLEAR ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP AND IN PART IT IS BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW THE LEADERSHIP AND IN PART IT IS BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW THE RISK PRESUMABLY BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW THE RISK PRESUMABLY OF THE SPEAKERSHIP OR FELT AND RISK PRESUMABLY OF THE SPEAKERSHIP OR FELT AND ACTED AS THAT WE HE WERE.
OF THE SPEAKERSHIP OR FELT AND ACTED AS THAT WE HE WERE.
IF HE DIDN'T DO THESE THINGS -- ACTED AS THAT WE HE WERE.
IF HE DIDN'T DO THESE THINGS -- I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT IF HE DIDN'T DO THESE THINGS -- I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT AT THE BEGINNING HE WOULD TRY A I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT AT THE BEGINNING HE WOULD TRY A OF THINGS TO SATISFY THE AT THE BEGINNING HE WOULD TRY A OF THINGS TO SATISFY THE HARD-LINERS IN HIS CONFERENCE OF THINGS TO SATISFY THE HARD-LINERS IN HIS CONFERENCE AND THEN SORT OF SAY, WELL, HARD-LINERS IN HIS CONFERENCE AND THEN SORT OF SAY, WELL, BUTE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AND THEN SORT OF SAY, WELL, BUTE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT WE DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY BUTE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT WE DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO A SHUTDOWN AND IN FACT HE LET WE DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY TO A SHUTDOWN AND IN FACT HE LET GO WELL BEYOND THAT AND TO A SHUTDOWN AND IN FACT HE LET GO WELL BEYOND THAT AND WOULDN'T GIVE IN, AND IT THEN GO WELL BEYOND THAT AND WOULDN'T GIVE IN, AND IT THEN WILLS BETWEENOF WOULDN'T GIVE IN, AND IT THEN WILLS BETWEENOF THE TWO SIDE AND PERSONAL WILLS BETWEENOF THE TWO SIDE AND PERSONAL EXISTED, THAT I THINK THE TWO SIDE AND PERSONAL EXISTED, THAT I THINK BUT THE POWER OF THE OUTSIDE EXISTED, THAT I THINK BUT THE POWER OF THE OUTSIDE FORCES THAT NOW DOMINATE A LOT BUT THE POWER OF THE OUTSIDE FORCES THAT NOW DOMINATE A LOT OF POLITICS -- IN THIS CASE, FORCES THAT NOW DOMINATE A LOT OF POLITICS -- IN THIS CASE, HERITAGE ACTION, THE CLUB FOR OF POLITICS -- IN THIS CASE, HERITAGE ACTION, THE CLUB FOR CONSERVATIVE FUND -- HERITAGE ACTION, THE CLUB FOR CONSERVATIVE FUND -- THESE ARE GROUPS WHICH HOLD CONSERVATIVE FUND -- THESE ARE GROUPS WHICH HOLD CONSIDERABLE SWAY IN THESE THESE ARE GROUPS WHICH HOLD CONSIDERABLE SWAY IN THESE AND EVEN -- THEY CAN CONSIDERABLE SWAY IN THESE AND EVEN -- THEY CAN IN SENATE PRIMARIES, AND IT HAS AND EVEN -- THEY CAN IN SENATE PRIMARIES, AND IT HAS INTIMIDATED, I THINK, A LOT OF IN SENATE PRIMARIES, AND IT HAS INTIMIDATED, I THINK, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS.
INTIMIDATED, I THINK, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS.
GWEN: JOHN BOEHNER ONLY GAVE ONE REPUBLICANS.
GWEN: JOHN BOEHNER ONLY GAVE ONE CINCINNATI RADIO GWEN: JOHN BOEHNER ONLY GAVE ONE CINCINNATI RADIO STATION AFTER THE VOTE WENT DOWN CINCINNATI RADIO STATION AFTER THE VOTE WENT DOWN THE OTHER NIGHT AND LET'S LISTEN STATION AFTER THE VOTE WENT DOWN THE OTHER NIGHT AND LET'S LISTEN SAID.T HE THE OTHER NIGHT AND LET'S LISTEN SAID.T HE >> WE HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN A SAID.T HE >> WE HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN A FIGHT OVER HERE TRYING TO BRING >> WE HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN A FIGHT OVER HERE TRYING TO BRING GOVERNMENT DOWN TO SIZE, TRYING FIGHT OVER HERE TRYING TO BRING GOVERNMENT DOWN TO SIZE, TRYING DO OUR BEST TO STOP GOVERNMENT DOWN TO SIZE, TRYING DO OUR BEST TO STOP OBAMACARE.
DO OUR BEST TO STOP OBAMACARE.
WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.
OBAMACARE.
WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.
DIDN'T WIN.
WE FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT.
DIDN'T WIN.
GWEN: HE DID NOT SOUND IN IN A DIDN'T WIN.
GWEN: HE DID NOT SOUND IN IN A WASRVIEW LIKE A GUY WHO GWEN: HE DID NOT SOUND IN IN A WASRVIEW LIKE A GUY WHO SWEPT ALONG BY OTHER FORCES.
WASRVIEW LIKE A GUY WHO SWEPT ALONG BY OTHER FORCES.
LEADINGED LIKE HE WAS SWEPT ALONG BY OTHER FORCES.
LEADINGED LIKE HE WAS THE CHARGE.
LEADINGED LIKE HE WAS THE CHARGE.
>> FOLLOWING THE CHARGE, I THE CHARGE.
>> FOLLOWING THE CHARGE, I THINK.
>> FOLLOWING THE CHARGE, I THINK.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
THINK.
HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
WE SAW HIM AT SEVERAL POINTS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?
WE SAW HIM AT SEVERAL POINTS WHERE, A, HE SAID WE SAW HIM AT SEVERAL POINTS WHERE, A, HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT SHUT WHERE, A, HE SAID THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT SHUT DOWN, B, HE SIGNALED THIS WAS THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT SHUT DOWN, B, HE SIGNALED THIS WAS NOT HIS STRATEGY, HE WAS TRYING DOWN, B, HE SIGNALED THIS WAS NOT HIS STRATEGY, HE WAS TRYING TO BRING THEM ALONG, BUT AT THE NOT HIS STRATEGY, HE WAS TRYING TO BRING THEM ALONG, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE DOES EMERGE FROM TO BRING THEM ALONG, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE DOES EMERGE FROM WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE SAME TIME HE DOES EMERGE FROM WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALL OR CERTAINLY MOST WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE SUPPORT OF ALL OR CERTAINLY MOST THE REPUBLICAN SUPPORT OF ALL OR CERTAINLY MOST THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE.
THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE.
GWEN: BUT THEY WON'T FOLLOW CONFERENCE.
GWEN: BUT THEY WON'T FOLLOW ANYWHERE HE LEADS.
GWEN: BUT THEY WON'T FOLLOW ANYWHERE HE LEADS.
THAT'S, THEY WON'T AND ANYWHERE HE LEADS.
THAT'S, THEY WON'T AND SOME OF THE DISCONNECT HERE BUT THAT'S, THEY WON'T AND SOME OF THE DISCONNECT HERE BUT I THINK HE IS STILL -- FOR ALL SOME OF THE DISCONNECT HERE BUT I THINK HE IS STILL -- FOR ALL THE, YOU KNOW, JOHN BOEHNER I THINK HE IS STILL -- FOR ALL THE, YOU KNOW, JOHN BOEHNER DEFINITELY DID NOT WIN THE WEEK.
THE, YOU KNOW, JOHN BOEHNER DEFINITELY DID NOT WIN THE WEEK.
HE'S THE BIGGEST LOSERS IN DEFINITELY DID NOT WIN THE WEEK.
HE'S THE BIGGEST LOSERS IN THE WEEK, I DON'T THINK SO.
HE'S THE BIGGEST LOSERS IN THE WEEK, I DON'T THINK SO.
HOUSE IPLE AT THE WHITE THE WEEK, I DON'T THINK SO.
HOUSE IPLE AT THE WHITE TALKED TO TODAY AND THROUGHOUT HOUSE IPLE AT THE WHITE TALKED TO TODAY AND THROUGHOUT THE WEEK SAID JOHN BOEHNER IS TALKED TO TODAY AND THROUGHOUT THE WEEK SAID JOHN BOEHNER IS NOT THE PERFECT SPEAKER BUT HE THE WEEK SAID JOHN BOEHNER IS NOT THE PERFECT SPEAKER BUT HE SPEAKER FOR THIS NOT THE PERFECT SPEAKER BUT HE SPEAKER FOR THIS TIME.
SPEAKER FOR THIS TIME.
THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER BOEHNER TIME.
THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER BOEHNER PROBLEM IN AND OF ITSELF.
THIS IS NOT A SPEAKER BOEHNER PROBLEM IN AND OF ITSELF.
TO STOPIF HE TRIED PROBLEM IN AND OF ITSELF.
TO STOPIF HE TRIED THINGS EARLIER, HE WOULD HAVE TO STOPIF HE TRIED THINGS EARLIER, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ROLLED AND THEN WHAT THINGS EARLIER, HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN ROLLED AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
GOTTEN ROLLED AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE HAPPENED?
THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE LEADERSHIP VACUUM AND CHANGE, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A HUGE LEADERSHIP VACUUM AND CHANGE, EXPLOSION, PERHAPS, AND THAT LEADERSHIP VACUUM AND CHANGE, EXPLOSION, PERHAPS, AND THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE SO EXPLOSION, PERHAPS, AND THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE SO I THINK THAT HE'S DEALING WITH MIGHT HAVE MADE THINGS WORSE SO I THINK THAT HE'S DEALING WITH HERE.ND HE'S DEALT I THINK THAT HE'S DEALING WITH HERE.ND HE'S DEALT TO BE TOONT TO HERE.ND HE'S DEALT TO BE TOONT TO SYMPATHETIC BUT HE'S DEALING TO BE TOONT TO SYMPATHETIC BUT HE'S DEALING WITH THE GROUP IN FRONT OF HIM.
SYMPATHETIC BUT HE'S DEALING WITH THE GROUP IN FRONT OF HIM.
THE GROUP WERE LED WITH THE GROUP IN FRONT OF HIM.
THE GROUP WERE LED THERE BY SOME IN THE CHAMBER, THE GROUP WERE LED THERE BY SOME IN THE CHAMBER, CRUZ, FRESHMAN TEXAS THERE BY SOME IN THE CHAMBER, CRUZ, FRESHMAN TEXAS SENATOR, WHO SIGNALED THIS WEEK CRUZ, FRESHMAN TEXAS SENATOR, WHO SIGNALED THIS WEEK HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
SENATOR, WHO SIGNALED THIS WEEK HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
LET'S LISTEN.
HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
LET'S LISTEN.
AND THIS FIGHT, THIS DEBATE, LET'S LISTEN.
AND THIS FIGHT, THIS DEBATE, UNTIL COLLECTIVELY AND THIS FIGHT, THIS DEBATE, UNTIL COLLECTIVELY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN MAKE UNTIL COLLECTIVELY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN MAKE D.C.
LISTEN, CAN GET REAL RELIEF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN MAKE D.C.
LISTEN, CAN GET REAL RELIEF FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE D.C.
LISTEN, CAN GET REAL RELIEF FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HURT BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE.
FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HURT BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE.
THAT IS HE THE BEST THING HURT BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE.
THAT IS HE THE BEST THING EVER HAPPENED TO THE WHITE THAT IS HE THE BEST THING EVER HAPPENED TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES EVER HAPPENED TO THE WHITE HOUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO OBAMACARE?
HOUSE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO OBAMACARE?
LEAST IN THE -- IN TO OBAMACARE?
LEAST IN THE -- IN MEMORY.
LEAST IN THE -- IN MEMORY.
HE IS JUST AMAZING.
MEMORY.
HE IS JUST AMAZING.
WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE, HE IS JUST AMAZING.
WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE, AND THE FACE OF ALL WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE, PEOPLE, AND THE FACE OF ALL THESE POLLS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE PEOPLE, AND THE FACE OF ALL THESE POLLS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST MONTH AND IT JUST THESE POLLS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST MONTH AND IT JUST MAKES YOU WONDER WHICH PEOPLE IS IN THE PAST MONTH AND IT JUST MAKES YOU WONDER WHICH PEOPLE IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
MAKES YOU WONDER WHICH PEOPLE IS HE TALKING ABOUT?
BESORT OF KNOW, YOU WANT TO HE TALKING ABOUT?
BESORT OF KNOW, YOU WANT TO A LITTLE BIT CYNICAL, HE'S BUILT BESORT OF KNOW, YOU WANT TO A LITTLE BIT CYNICAL, HE'S BUILT HIS MAILING LIST AND HIS DONOR A LITTLE BIT CYNICAL, HE'S BUILT HIS MAILING LIST AND HIS DONOR FAR RIGHT, AND, YOU HIS MAILING LIST AND HIS DONOR FAR RIGHT, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MOST THINKING THIS FAR RIGHT, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MOST THINKING THIS IS NOT A MAN WHO'S GOING TO RUN KNOW, THERE'S MOST THINKING THIS IS NOT A MAN WHO'S GOING TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION FOR THE SENATE.
IS NOT A MAN WHO'S GOING TO RUN FOR RE-ELECTION FOR THE SENATE.
HE'S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT FOR RE-ELECTION FOR THE SENATE.
HE'S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT NOMINATION.BLICAN HE'S GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT NOMINATION.BLICAN GWEN: HE'S JUST THE FACE OF IT.
NOMINATION.BLICAN GWEN: HE'S JUST THE FACE OF IT.
THERE WERE MORE REPUBLICANS GWEN: HE'S JUST THE FACE OF IT.
THERE WERE MORE REPUBLICANS THE GOVERNMENT THERE WERE MORE REPUBLICANS THE GOVERNMENT CLOSED THAN OPEN THE OTHER DAY.
THE GOVERNMENT CLOSED THAN OPEN THE OTHER DAY.
GWEN,S NOT JUST TED CRUZ, CLOSED THAN OPEN THE OTHER DAY.
GWEN,S NOT JUST TED CRUZ, BUT A LOT OF THESE HOUSE GWEN,S NOT JUST TED CRUZ, BUT A LOT OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS.
BUT A LOT OF THESE HOUSE MEMBERS.
WHEN THEY GO HOME AND RAIL MEMBERS.
WHEN THEY GO HOME AND RAIL AGAINST OBAMACARE, THEY GET WHEN THEY GO HOME AND RAIL AGAINST OBAMACARE, THEY GET THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE AND CAMPAIGN AGAINST OBAMACARE, THEY GET THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE AND CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.
THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE AND CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.
IT IS NOT A BAD POLITICAL ISSUE CONTRIBUTIONS.
IT IS NOT A BAD POLITICAL ISSUE FOR THEM.
IT IS NOT A BAD POLITICAL ISSUE FOR THEM.
IS, A LOT OF THE FOR THEM.
IS, A LOT OF THE CRITICS SAY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IS, A LOT OF THE CRITICS SAY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEGISLATE.
CRITICS SAY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEGISLATE.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY TO LEGISLATE.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY TO LEGISLATE OR ARE THEY THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY TO LEGISLATE OR ARE THEY TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND YOU TO LEGISLATE OR ARE THEY TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND YOU TO RAISEHEY'RE TRYING TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND YOU TO RAISEHEY'RE TRYING MONEY AND MOVE AHEAD IN THEIR TO RAISEHEY'RE TRYING MONEY AND MOVE AHEAD IN THEIR CAMPAIGN AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY, MONEY AND MOVE AHEAD IN THEIR CAMPAIGN AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY, YOU HAD MIKE LEE IN THE LEAD-IN CAMPAIGN AND YOU CAN ALSO SAY, YOU HAD MIKE LEE IN THE LEAD-IN IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, YOU HAD MIKE LEE IN THE LEAD-IN IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, TO STAND -- AND PROBABLY ALL OF IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, TO STAND -- AND PROBABLY ALL OF POINT OR ANOTHER SAID TO STAND -- AND PROBABLY ALL OF POINT OR ANOTHER SAID I'M PROUD I STOOD UP FOR A POINT OR ANOTHER SAID I'M PROUD I STOOD UP FOR A PRINCIPAL BUT WHEN YOU APPLY I'M PROUD I STOOD UP FOR A PRINCIPAL BUT WHEN YOU APPLY A LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT, PRINCIPAL BUT WHEN YOU APPLY A LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT, IT'S PROBLEMATIC.
A LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT, IT'S PROBLEMATIC.
THIS DAN, YOU WROTE IT'S PROBLEMATIC.
THIS DAN, YOU WROTE PROVIDES PERHAPS A PIVOT POINT, THIS DAN, YOU WROTE PROVIDES PERHAPS A PIVOT POINT, PERHAPS A COVER FOR A HEALTHCARE PROVIDES PERHAPS A PIVOT POINT, PERHAPS A COVER FOR A HEALTHCARE VERYTHAT DIDN'T ROLL OUT PERHAPS A COVER FOR A HEALTHCARE VERYTHAT DIDN'T ROLL OUT SMOOTHLY BUT CERTAINLY AN VERYTHAT DIDN'T ROLL OUT SMOOTHLY BUT CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
SMOOTHLY BUT CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
>> IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE BUT A TRICKY >> IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE BUT A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE BUT A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
WHAT I WROTE AND SAID WAS, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
WHAT I WROTE AND SAID WAS, YESTERDAY WAS LIKE A THIRD WHAT I WROTE AND SAID WAS, YESTERDAY WAS LIKE A THIRD INAUGURATION DAY FOR PRESIDENT YESTERDAY WAS LIKE A THIRD INAUGURATION DAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA.
INAUGURATION DAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA.
IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A PRESIDENT TO OBAMA.
IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A PRESIDENT TO BE ABLE TO REBOOT IN THE MIDDLE IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A PRESIDENT TO BE ABLE TO REBOOT IN THE MIDDLE A TERM AND YET THIS MOMENT BE ABLE TO REBOOT IN THE MIDDLE A TERM AND YET THIS MOMENT -- CATACLYSMIC THAT A TERM AND YET THIS MOMENT -- CATACLYSMIC THAT IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY.
-- CATACLYSMIC THAT IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY.
THE QUESTION IS -- THERE MAY BE IT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY.
THE QUESTION IS -- THERE MAY BE NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO.
THE QUESTION IS -- THERE MAY BE NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO.
THERE IS ENOUGH NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO.
THERE IS ENOUGH OPPOSITION ON THE RIGHT IN THE THERE IS ENOUGH OPPOSITION ON THE RIGHT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT THEY WILL OPPOSITION ON THE RIGHT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT THEY WILL FRUSTRATE ALMOST ANY REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT THEY WILL FRUSTRATE ALMOST ANY EFFORT AT COMPROMISE.
FRUSTRATE ALMOST ANY EFFORT AT COMPROMISE.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, CAN THE EFFORT AT COMPROMISE.
I THINK THE QUESTION IS, CAN THE BE SUCCESSFUL IN A I THINK THE QUESTION IS, CAN THE BE SUCCESSFUL IN A STRATEGY IN WHICH HE SPLITS OFF BE SUCCESSFUL IN A STRATEGY IN WHICH HE SPLITS OFF ENOUGH OF THE ESTABLISHMENT STRATEGY IN WHICH HE SPLITS OFF ENOUGH OF THE ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS FROM THE TEA PARTY ENOUGH OF THE ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS FROM THE TEA PARTY AND WILL HE DO THINGS IN TERMS REPUBLICANS FROM THE TEA PARTY AND WILL HE DO THINGS IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATIONS AND IDEAS THAT AND WILL HE DO THINGS IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATIONS AND IDEAS THAT HE'S PREPARED TO PUT FORWARD OF NEGOTIATIONS AND IDEAS THAT HE'S PREPARED TO PUT FORWARD EASIER OR HARDER HE'S PREPARED TO PUT FORWARD EASIER OR HARDER FOR THEM TO COME TO HIM RATHER EASIER OR HARDER FOR THEM TO COME TO HIM RATHER THAN STICK WITH THE TEA PARTY.
FOR THEM TO COME TO HIM RATHER THAN STICK WITH THE TEA PARTY.
GWEN: AND THE THREE THINGS HE'S THAN STICK WITH THE TEA PARTY.
GWEN: AND THE THREE THINGS HE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE BUDGET GWEN: AND THE THREE THINGS HE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE BUDGET IMMIGRATION AND TALKING ABOUT ARE BUDGET IMMIGRATION AND THE FARM BILL.
IMMIGRATION AND THE FARM BILL.
ARE THESE WINNABLE BATTLES?
THE FARM BILL.
ARE THESE WINNABLE BATTLES?
IMMIGRATIONN ARE THESE WINNABLE BATTLES?
IMMIGRATIONN REFORM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY.
IMMIGRATIONN REFORM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY.
HE IS NOT LIKELY TO GIVE REFORM, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY.
HE IS NOT LIKELY TO GIVE REPUBLICANS TOO MUCH BECAUSE HE IS NOT LIKELY TO GIVE REPUBLICANS TOO MUCH BECAUSE WHAT IS THE BIGGEST THING IN REPUBLICANS TOO MUCH BECAUSE WHAT IS THE BIGGEST THING IN 2014 -- BOY, DEMOCRATS SURE WANT WHAT IS THE BIGGEST THING IN 2014 -- BOY, DEMOCRATS SURE WANT CONTROL OF THAT SENATE.
2014 -- BOY, DEMOCRATS SURE WANT CONTROL OF THAT SENATE.
IF THEY DON'T, THE REST OF HIS CONTROL OF THAT SENATE.
IF THEY DON'T, THE REST OF HIS SE TNGES JUST IF THEY DON'T, THE REST OF HIS SE TNGES JUST TREMENDOUSLY SO I THINK DAN'S SE TNGES JUST TREMENDOUSLY SO I THINK DAN'S RIGHT.
TREMENDOUSLY SO I THINK DAN'S RIGHT.
HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY RIGHT.
HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY HERE BUT IT'S A TRICKY HE DOES HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY HERE BUT IT'S A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY.
HERE BUT IT'S A TRICKY OPPORTUNITY.
MORE INTERESTINGLY, I THINK, OPPORTUNITY.
MORE INTERESTINGLY, I THINK, WHAT ARE THOSE REPUBLICANS MORE INTERESTINGLY, I THINK, WHAT ARE THOSE REPUBLICANS DOING.
WHAT ARE THOSE REPUBLICANS DOING.
REPUBLICANSROUP OF DOING.
REPUBLICANSROUP OF IN THE HOUSE WHO THINK BOY, THIS REPUBLICANSROUP OF IN THE HOUSE WHO THINK BOY, THIS WAS A BAD WAY TO CONDUCT IN THE HOUSE WHO THINK BOY, THIS WAS A BAD WAY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS?
WAS A BAD WAY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS?
CAUCUS.R KING BUSINESS?
CAUCUS.R KING HE'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE CAUCUS.R KING HE'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, REPUBLICAN HE'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING, REPUBLICAN SAYINGSMAN OF NEW YORK VERY BEGINNING, REPUBLICAN SAYINGSMAN OF NEW YORK WE CANNOT BE LED DOWN THE TED SAYINGSMAN OF NEW YORK WE CANNOT BE LED DOWN THE TED CRUZ VALLEY OF DEATH.
WE CANNOT BE LED DOWN THE TED CRUZ VALLEY OF DEATH.
HAD MANY PEOPLE BEHIND CRUZ VALLEY OF DEATH.
HAD MANY PEOPLE BEHIND HIM.
HAD MANY PEOPLE BEHIND HIM.
WE'LL SEE IF THAT GROUP GROWS.
HIM.
WE'LL SEE IF THAT GROUP GROWS.
PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF PRIMARY WE'LL SEE IF THAT GROUP GROWS.
PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF PRIMARY CHALLENGES.
PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF PRIMARY CHALLENGES.
THE PRIMARY FILING DEADLINES FOR CHALLENGES.
THE PRIMARY FILING DEADLINES FOR HOUSE MEMBERS ARE NOT UNTIL NEXT THE PRIMARY FILING DEADLINES FOR HOUSE MEMBERS ARE NOT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
HOUSE MEMBERS ARE NOT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.
AFRAID OF THAT.
YEAR.
AFRAID OF THAT.
>> THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH AFRAID OF THAT.
>> THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH MODERATES IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT >> THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH MODERATES IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT TO HOLD.
MODERATES IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT TO HOLD.
GWEN: WHATEVER MODERATE EVEN TO HOLD.
GWEN: WHATEVER MODERATE EVEN MEANS.
GWEN: WHATEVER MODERATE EVEN MEANS.
THAT.
'T CALL THEM MEANS.
THAT.
'T CALL THEM >> YOU TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS THAT.
'T CALL THEM >> YOU TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS COULD BE A RESET FOR THE >> YOU TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS COULD BE A RESET FOR THE PRESIDENT.
COULD BE A RESET FOR THE PRESIDENT.
SITUATION A SIMILAR PRESIDENT.
SITUATION A SIMILAR IN THE MID 90'S WHERE IT WAS A SITUATION A SIMILAR IN THE MID 90'S WHERE IT WAS A RESET FOR PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON IN THE MID 90'S WHERE IT WAS A RESET FOR PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON 1994 WHEN THEINTO RESET FOR PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON 1994 WHEN THEINTO REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER CONGRESS 1994 WHEN THEINTO REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER CONGRESS AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER, HE REPUBLICANS TOOK OVER CONGRESS AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER, HE THANN A MUCH WORSE SHAPE AND THEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER, HE THANN A MUCH WORSE SHAPE EVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
THANN A MUCH WORSE SHAPE EVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE.
EVEN PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE.
ONCE HE, YOU KNOW, WENT YUKIYA BUT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE.
ONCE HE, YOU KNOW, WENT YUKIYA HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE ONCE HE, YOU KNOW, WENT YUKIYA HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE REPUBLICANS OVER A SHUTDOWN AND HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE REPUBLICANS OVER A SHUTDOWN AND A REPUBLICANACING REPUBLICANS OVER A SHUTDOWN AND A REPUBLICANACING PARTY IN WHICH ABOUT 1/3 OR MORE A REPUBLICANACING PARTY IN WHICH ABOUT 1/3 OR MORE OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE PARTY IN WHICH ABOUT 1/3 OR MORE OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE HAD WON.RICTS THAT HE OF THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WERE HAD WON.RICTS THAT HE THERE ARE VERY FEW -- SOMEBODY HAD WON.RICTS THAT HE THERE ARE VERY FEW -- SOMEBODY HERE MIGHT KNOW.
THERE ARE VERY FEW -- SOMEBODY HERE MIGHT KNOW.
>> 17.
HERE MIGHT KNOW.
>> 17.
I KNEW IT WAS UNDER 20.
>> 17.
I KNEW IT WAS UNDER 20.
>> 7%.
I KNEW IT WAS UNDER 20.
>> 7%.
YOU, AND THAT JUST TELLS >> 7%.
YOU, AND THAT JUST TELLS AND CHARLIE SAID, WHEN THEY GO YOU, AND THAT JUST TELLS AND CHARLIE SAID, WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS, IT'S AND CHARLIE SAID, WHEN THEY GO BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS, IT'S CENTRISTSRE'S NO BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS, IT'S CENTRISTSRE'S NO TELLING THEM THEY OUGHT TO BE CENTRISTSRE'S NO TELLING THEM THEY OUGHT TO BE COMPROMISING WITH PRESIDENT TELLING THEM THEY OUGHT TO BE COMPROMISING WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA.
COMPROMISING WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA.
DID COME OUTSIDENT OBAMA.
DID COME OUTSIDENT AND TALK YESTERDAY, STATE DINING DID COME OUTSIDENT AND TALK YESTERDAY, STATE DINING HE THINKS LIEST AND TALK YESTERDAY, STATE DINING HE THINKS LIEST AHEAD.
HE THINKS LIEST AHEAD.
>> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOLKS AHEAD.
>> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOLKS ANOTHER SIDE WHO THINK MY >> RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOLKS ANOTHER SIDE WHO THINK MY ARE MISGUIDED.
ANOTHER SIDE WHO THINK MY ARE MISGUIDED.
THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY.
ARE MISGUIDED.
THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY.
THAT'S OK. THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY.
THAT'S OK. THAT'S DEMOCRACY.
THAT'S OK. THAT'S DEMOCRACY.
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
THAT'S DEMOCRACY.
THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
WE SHOULDN'T FAIL TO ACT ON THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
WE SHOULDN'T FAIL TO ACT ON AREAS THAT WE DO AGREE OR COULD WE SHOULDN'T FAIL TO ACT ON AREAS THAT WE DO AGREE OR COULD WE DON'TT BECAUSE AREAS THAT WE DO AGREE OR COULD WE DON'TT BECAUSE THINK IT'S GOOD POLITICS, JUST WE DON'TT BECAUSE THINK IT'S GOOD POLITICS, JUST BECAUSE THE EXTREMES IN OUR THINK IT'S GOOD POLITICS, JUST BECAUSE THE EXTREMES IN OUR DON'T LIKE THE WORD BECAUSE THE EXTREMES IN OUR DON'T LIKE THE WORD "COMPROMISE."
DON'T LIKE THE WORD "COMPROMISE."
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS A TALENT "COMPROMISE."
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS A TALENT FOR COMING OUT KIND OF SWINGING GWEN: THE PRESIDENT HAS A TALENT FOR COMING OUT KIND OF SWINGING BUT NOT SOUNDING LIKE HE'S FOR COMING OUT KIND OF SWINGING BUT NOT SOUNDING LIKE HE'S SWINGING UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT BUT NOT SOUNDING LIKE HE'S SWINGING UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT LATER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE SWINGING UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT LATER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE LATER AND IT SOUNDS LIKE HE COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE CONCILIATORY IF HE WANTED TO BE COULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE CONCILIATORY IF HE WANTED TO BE BUT HE'S DECIDED NOT TO BE.
CONCILIATORY IF HE WANTED TO BE BUT HE'S DECIDED NOT TO BE.
>> I THINK THAT'S TRUE, GWEN, BUT HE'S DECIDED NOT TO BE.
>> I THINK THAT'S TRUE, GWEN, AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE, GWEN, AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND TEAM KIND OF GOT FED UP AND AND I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND TEAM KIND OF GOT FED UP AND ONSAW THEM STAY MUCH TOUGHER TEAM KIND OF GOT FED UP AND ONSAW THEM STAY MUCH TOUGHER THIS DEBT CEILING SITUATION THAN ONSAW THEM STAY MUCH TOUGHER THIS DEBT CEILING SITUATION THAN THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO.
THIS DEBT CEILING SITUATION THAN THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO.
THEY FELT LIKE THEY LEARNED THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO.
THEY FELT LIKE THEY LEARNED THEIR LESSON TWO YEARS AGO, THEY THEY FELT LIKE THEY LEARNED THEIR LESSON TWO YEARS AGO, THEY TRIED TO NEGOTIATE, THE THEIR LESSON TWO YEARS AGO, THEY TRIED TO NEGOTIATE, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT MOVE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT MOVE WHEN HE SAID, THE REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT MOVE WHEN HE SAID, THE NEVER AGAIN ON THIS.
WHEN HE SAID, THE NEVER AGAIN ON THIS.
NOW WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THIS.
NEVER AGAIN ON THIS.
NOW WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THIS.
IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THE NOW WE'VE GOTTEN PAST THIS.
IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THE FOR ANCANS WILL LOOK IT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY THE FOR ANCANS WILL LOOK EXACT REPEAT OF THIS IN JANUARY FOR ANCANS WILL LOOK EXACT REPEAT OF THIS IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
EXACT REPEAT OF THIS IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, A OR FEBRUARY.
YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, A ISSUE.
YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, A ISSUE.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY ISSUE.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY TOUGH.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY, VERY TOUGH.
JOHN BOEHNER FINALLY GOT THIS TOUGH.
JOHN BOEHNER FINALLY GOT THIS BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THE JOHN BOEHNER FINALLY GOT THIS BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THE THE FISCAL CLIFF BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THE THE FISCAL CLIFF BILL, THAT IS WITH A MINORITY OF THE FISCAL CLIFF BILL, THAT IS WITH A MINORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS.
BILL, THAT IS WITH A MINORITY OF THE REPUBLICANS.
IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR HIM THE REPUBLICANS.
IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR HIM CAN'T SEE HIM I IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH FOR HIM CAN'T SEE HIM I DOING THAT ON IMMIGRATION.
CAN'T SEE HIM I DOING THAT ON IMMIGRATION.
THERE ARE SO MANY REPUBLICANS DOING THAT ON IMMIGRATION.
THERE ARE SO MANY REPUBLICANS IS, BACK HOME IMMIGRATION THERE ARE SO MANY REPUBLICANS IS, BACK HOME IMMIGRATION UNPOPULAR AMONG THEIR PRIMARY IS, BACK HOME IMMIGRATION UNPOPULAR AMONG THEIR PRIMARY VOTERS.
UNPOPULAR AMONG THEIR PRIMARY VOTERS.
GWEN: SO IS THE WHITE HOUSE -- VOTERS.
GWEN: SO IS THE WHITE HOUSE -- DEMOCRATS -- HARRY REID GWEN: SO IS THE WHITE HOUSE -- DEMOCRATS -- HARRY REID IS AN INTERESTING FIGURE IN ALL DEMOCRATS -- HARRY REID IS AN INTERESTING FIGURE IN ALL TOTHIS -- IS THERE A PLAN IS AN INTERESTING FIGURE IN ALL TOTHIS -- IS THERE A PLAN DARE THESE GUYS WHO WALK OFF THE TOTHIS -- IS THERE A PLAN DARE THESE GUYS WHO WALK OFF THE CLIFF AGAIN AND HOPE THEY GET DARE THESE GUYS WHO WALK OFF THE CLIFF AGAIN AND HOPE THEY GET OF VICTORY?
CLIFF AGAIN AND HOPE THEY GET OF VICTORY?
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OF VICTORY?
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOUSE SENATEHE NEW >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HOUSE SENATEHE NEW BUDGET CONFERENCE COMES UP WITH HOUSE SENATEHE NEW BUDGET CONFERENCE COMES UP WITH FIRST.
BUDGET CONFERENCE COMES UP WITH FIRST.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS FIRST.
I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS SORT OF HIS -- REMINDS ME I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS SORT OF HIS -- REMINDS ME OF THE SUPER COMMITTEE OF SORT OF HIS -- REMINDS ME OF THE SUPER COMMITTEE OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2011, OF THE SUPER COMMITTEE OF OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2011, AND THAT CAME TO NOTHING.
OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER OF 2011, AND THAT CAME TO NOTHING.
CAN --U KNOW, IF THAT AND THAT CAME TO NOTHING.
CAN --U KNOW, IF THAT THEY'VE LOWERED THEIR SIGHTS, CAN --U KNOW, IF THAT THEY'VE LOWERED THEIR SIGHTS, A GRANDNO MORE TALK OF THEY'VE LOWERED THEIR SIGHTS, A GRANDNO MORE TALK OF BARGAIN.
A GRANDNO MORE TALK OF BARGAIN.
IF THEY CAN JUST COME TOGETHER BARGAIN.
IF THEY CAN JUST COME TOGETHER ON A LIMITED PACKAGE THAT WILL IF THEY CAN JUST COME TOGETHER ON A LIMITED PACKAGE THAT WILL INSTANCE, ON A LIMITED PACKAGE THAT WILL INSTANCE, SEQUESTRATION, THESE AUTOMATIC INSTANCE, SEQUESTRATION, THESE AUTOMATIC ACROSS-THE-BOARD CUTS.
SEQUESTRATION, THESE AUTOMATIC ACROSS-THE-BOARD CUTS.
HAVE TOWHAT'S NEXT, WE ACROSS-THE-BOARD CUTS.
HAVE TOWHAT'S NEXT, WE KNOW WHAT THIS COMMITTEE COMES HAVE TOWHAT'S NEXT, WE KNOW WHAT THIS COMMITTEE COMES OUT WITH AND THEY HAVE TO REPORT KNOW WHAT THIS COMMITTEE COMES OUT WITH AND THEY HAVE TO REPORT DECEMBER 15, IN OUT WITH AND THEY HAVE TO REPORT DECEMBER 15, IN TIME -- DECEMBER 13, IN TIME FOR DECEMBER 15, IN TIME -- DECEMBER 13, IN TIME FOR FINAL ACTION BY CONGRESS ON TIME -- DECEMBER 13, IN TIME FOR FINAL ACTION BY CONGRESS ON JANUARY 15 SO THAT THE FINAL ACTION BY CONGRESS ON JANUARY 15 SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SHUT DOWN JANUARY 15 SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SHUT DOWN AGAIN.
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SHUT DOWN AGAIN.
GWEN: WHICH EVERYBODY HAS SWORN AGAIN.
GWEN: WHICH EVERYBODY HAS SWORN TO HAPPEN.G GWEN: WHICH EVERYBODY HAS SWORN TO HAPPEN.G >> WELL, NOT EVERYBODY.
TO HAPPEN.G >> WELL, NOT EVERYBODY.
>> I THINK THAT'S REALLY >> WELL, NOT EVERYBODY.
>> I THINK THAT'S REALLY THOSESTING, WHEN YOU ASK >> I THINK THAT'S REALLY THOSESTING, WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE, WAS THIS WORTH IT, SOME THOSESTING, WHEN YOU ASK PEOPLE, WAS THIS WORTH IT, SOME VERY DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
PEOPLE, WAS THIS WORTH IT, SOME VERY DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
TED CRUZ SAYS, YES, IT VERY DIFFERENT ANSWERS.
TED CRUZ SAYS, YES, IT WAS WORTH IT, HE WOULD DO IT TED CRUZ SAYS, YES, IT WAS WORTH IT, HE WOULD DO IT AGAIN.
WAS WORTH IT, HE WOULD DO IT AGAIN.
NOT MITCH MCCONNELL, HE SAID AGAIN.
NOT MITCH MCCONNELL, HE SAID THERE'S NO EDUCATION LIKE THE NOT MITCH MCCONNELL, HE SAID THERE'S NO EDUCATION LIKE THE SECOND KICK OF A MULE.
THERE'S NO EDUCATION LIKE THE SECOND KICK OF A MULE.
HE THINKS FIRST ONE WAS SECOND KICK OF A MULE.
HE THINKS FIRST ONE WAS 1996.
HE THINKS FIRST ONE WAS 1996.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT 1996.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MITCH MCCONNELL.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT MITCH MCCONNELL.
WE'VE GONE THIS WHOLE YEAR AND MITCH MCCONNELL.
WE'VE GONE THIS WHOLE YEAR AND SAYING MITCH MCCONNELL WAS WE'VE GONE THIS WHOLE YEAR AND SAYING MITCH MCCONNELL WAS SIDELINED BECAUSE HE'S UP FOR SAYING MITCH MCCONNELL WAS SIDELINED BECAUSE HE'S UP FOR A TEACTION, WORRIED ABOUT SIDELINED BECAUSE HE'S UP FOR A TEACTION, WORRIED ABOUT PARTY FOE.
A TEACTION, WORRIED ABOUT PARTY FOE.
HE GOT A TEA PARTY FOE.
PARTY FOE.
HE GOT A TEA PARTY FOE.
THE TEA PARTY HAS ENDORSED HIS HE GOT A TEA PARTY FOE.
THE TEA PARTY HAS ENDORSED HIS HE'SY, IN SOME WAYS, THE TEA PARTY HAS ENDORSED HIS HE'SY, IN SOME WAYS, LIBERATED.
HE'SY, IN SOME WAYS, LIBERATED.
THE GENERAL TO LIBERATED.
THE GENERAL TO ELECTION AND WELCOMING THE THE GENERAL TO ELECTION AND WELCOMING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK LIKE HE'S ELECTION AND WELCOMING THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK LIKE HE'S WHO'S BIPARTISAN AND OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK LIKE HE'S WHO'S BIPARTISAN AND GETS THINGS DONE.
WHO'S BIPARTISAN AND GETS THINGS DONE.
GWEN: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER GETS THINGS DONE.
GWEN: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE RED LINE IN THIS CASE NEVER GWEN: IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE RED LINE IN THIS CASE NEVER DOWN.
SHUT THE RED LINE IN THIS CASE NEVER DOWN.
SHUT IN THE END IT WAS ABOUT THE DOWN.
SHUT IN THE END IT WAS ABOUT THE THREAT OF THE DEBT CEILING.
IN THE END IT WAS ABOUT THE THREAT OF THE DEBT CEILING.
THAT'S WHAT PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT THREAT OF THE DEBT CEILING.
THAT'S WHAT PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT HAS ALSO BEEN KICKED -- THAT'S WHAT PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT HAS ALSO BEEN KICKED -- I HATE TO USE THE TERM, I'M NOT HAS ALSO BEEN KICKED -- I HATE TO USE THE TERM, I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT.
I HATE TO USE THE TERM, I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT.
IT'S BEEN DELAYED.
GOING TO USE IT.
IT'S BEEN DELAYED.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE CAN IT'S BEEN DELAYED.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE CAN PHRASE.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE CAN PHRASE.
HOW ABOUT THAT?
PHRASE.
HOW ABOUT THAT?
WHAT ABOUT A POTENTIAL FOR THAT?
HOW ABOUT THAT?
WHAT ABOUT A POTENTIAL FOR THAT?
I THINK JACKIE'S RIGHT.
WHAT ABOUT A POTENTIAL FOR THAT?
I THINK JACKIE'S RIGHT.
WE'LL GET A SENSE IN THESE I THINK JACKIE'S RIGHT.
WE'LL GET A SENSE IN THESE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS.
WE'LL GET A SENSE IN THESE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS.
THAT'S THE REAL TEST OF BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS.
THAT'S THE REAL TEST OF WHAT THE EFFECT OF THESE LAST THAT'S THE REAL TEST OF WHAT THE EFFECT OF THESE LAST WEEKS HAS BEEN.
WHAT THE EFFECT OF THESE LAST WEEKS HAS BEEN.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WEEKS HAS BEEN.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOR THE LAST WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOR THE LAST ALL IT HASX WEEKS, HAVE BEEN THROUGH FOR THE LAST ALL IT HASX WEEKS, BEEN ABOUT IS PROCESS.
ALL IT HASX WEEKS, BEEN ABOUT IS PROCESS.
I KNOW THAT THE IDEA WAS TO BEEN ABOUT IS PROCESS.
I KNOW THAT THE IDEA WAS TO BUT THAT WAS AE I KNOW THAT THE IDEA WAS TO BUT THAT WAS AE LOSING STRATEGY FROM THE START.
BUT THAT WAS AE LOSING STRATEGY FROM THE START.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AIMED AT LOSING STRATEGY FROM THE START.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AIMED AT LET'S GET GOVERNMENT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN AIMED AT LET'S GET GOVERNMENT REOPENED AND THE DEBT CEILING LET'S GET GOVERNMENT REOPENED AND THE DEBT CEILING GETE PUSHED SO WE CAN THEN REOPENED AND THE DEBT CEILING GETE PUSHED SO WE CAN THEN TO SUBSTANCE AND WE KEEP PUTTING GETE PUSHED SO WE CAN THEN TO SUBSTANCE AND WE KEEP PUTTING OFF THE SUBSTANCE.
TO SUBSTANCE AND WE KEEP PUTTING OFF THE SUBSTANCE.
GWEN: IS THAT PART OF THE REASON OFF THE SUBSTANCE.
GWEN: IS THAT PART OF THE REASON EVERY POLL SHOWS THIS GWEN: IS THAT PART OF THE REASON EVERY POLL SHOWS THIS EXASPERATION ON THE EVERY POLL SHOWS THIS EXASPERATION ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
EXASPERATION ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
>> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
>> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION HERE.
>> I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION HERE.
DEFUNDING OBAMACARE WAS A CONFUSION HERE.
DEFUNDING OBAMACARE WAS A HOPELESS CAUSE IF YOU REALLY DEFUNDING OBAMACARE WAS A HOPELESS CAUSE IF YOU REALLY YOU'D GET HIM TO DEFUND HOPELESS CAUSE IF YOU REALLY YOU'D GET HIM TO DEFUND OBAMACARE.
YOU'D GET HIM TO DEFUND OBAMACARE.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON OBAMACARE.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON UP DIFFERENT THINGS -- FIRE SO A LOT OF WHAT WAS GOING ON UP DIFFERENT THINGS -- FIRE YOUR BASE, PERHAPS SET OFF A UP DIFFERENT THINGS -- FIRE YOUR BASE, PERHAPS SET OFF A FOR PRESIDENT AND YOUR BASE, PERHAPS SET OFF A FOR PRESIDENT AND THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING AND FOR PRESIDENT AND THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING AND ALSO CONFUSING THE AMERICAN THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING AND ALSO CONFUSING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY ALSO CONFUSING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
GWEN: IDEOLOGIES FOR PROCESS.
THINGS.
GWEN: IDEOLOGIES FOR PROCESS.
CRUSADERS VERSUS LEGISLATORS.
GWEN: IDEOLOGIES FOR PROCESS.
CRUSADERS VERSUS LEGISLATORS.
>> IT HAS SHOWN THE ENERGY IN CRUSADERS VERSUS LEGISLATORS.
>> IT HAS SHOWN THE ENERGY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STILL >> IT HAS SHOWN THE ENERGY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STILL ON ONE SIDE WHICH WE KNEW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STILL ON ONE SIDE WHICH WE KNEW BUT GOING INTO A MIDTERM ON ONE SIDE WHICH WE KNEW BUT GOING INTO A MIDTERM FRIGHTENINGR IT'S A BUT GOING INTO A MIDTERM FRIGHTENINGR IT'S A PROPOSITION, ANY REPUBLICAN FRIGHTENINGR IT'S A PROPOSITION, ANY REPUBLICAN AFRAID OF A PRIMARY CHALLENGE.
PROPOSITION, ANY REPUBLICAN AFRAID OF A PRIMARY CHALLENGE.
GWEN: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
AFRAID OF A PRIMARY CHALLENGE.
GWEN: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
BEFORE WE GO DON'T, WE WANTED TO GWEN: THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
BEFORE WE GO DON'T, WE WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO BEFORE WE GO DON'T, WE WANTED TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO PASSING OF THE TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO PASSING OF THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, TOM FOLEY, PASSING OF THE FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, TOM FOLEY, FOR 30ED IN WASHINGTON FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, TOM FOLEY, FOR 30ED IN WASHINGTON YEARS UNTIL HE WAS DEFEATED IN FOR 30ED IN WASHINGTON YEARS UNTIL HE WAS DEFEATED IN THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE SWEEP OF YEARS UNTIL HE WAS DEFEATED IN THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE SWEEP OF 1994.
THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE SWEEP OF 1994.
MANY OF US AT THE TABLE COVERED 1994.
MANY OF US AT THE TABLE COVERED TOM FOLEY DURING THAT TIME.
MANY OF US AT THE TABLE COVERED TOM FOLEY DURING THAT TIME.
WHAT KIND OF LEADER WAS HE, TOM FOLEY DURING THAT TIME.
WHAT KIND OF LEADER WAS HE, JACKIE?
WHAT KIND OF LEADER WAS HE, JACKIE?
>> HE WASN'T THE BEST SPEAKER.
JACKIE?
>> HE WASN'T THE BEST SPEAKER.
BUT HE WAS A GREAT MEMBER AND HE >> HE WASN'T THE BEST SPEAKER.
BUT HE WAS A GREAT MEMBER AND HE WAS TRULY WELL RESPECTED, AS BUT HE WAS A GREAT MEMBER AND HE WAS TRULY WELL RESPECTED, AS YOU'RE SEEING IN THE TRIBUTES TO WAS TRULY WELL RESPECTED, AS YOU'RE SEEING IN THE TRIBUTES TO HIM TONIGHT.
YOU'RE SEEING IN THE TRIBUTES TO HIM TONIGHT.
WE CALL A MAN OF THE HIM TONIGHT.
WE CALL A MAN OF THE HOUSE, A TRUE INSTITUTIONALIST WE CALL A MAN OF THE HOUSE, A TRUE INSTITUTIONALIST WHO PUT THE HOUSE ABOVE PARTY, HOUSE, A TRUE INSTITUTIONALIST WHO PUT THE HOUSE ABOVE PARTY, REALLY.
WHO PUT THE HOUSE ABOVE PARTY, REALLY.
HE -- WHEN HE WAS SPEAKER, HE REALLY.
HE -- WHEN HE WAS SPEAKER, HE MEET WEEKLY WITH THE HE -- WHEN HE WAS SPEAKER, HE MEET WEEKLY WITH THE REPUBLICAN LEADER, BOB MICHAEL MEET WEEKLY WITH THE REPUBLICAN LEADER, BOB MICHAEL WOULD ALTERNATE REPUBLICAN LEADER, BOB MICHAEL WOULD ALTERNATE OFFICES, ONE WEEK IN THE WOULD ALTERNATE OFFICES, ONE WEEK IN THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE, ONE WEEK IN OFFICES, ONE WEEK IN THE SPEAKER'S OFFICE, ONE WEEK IN THE REPUBLICAN LEADER'S OFFICE.
SPEAKER'S OFFICE, ONE WEEK IN THE REPUBLICAN LEADER'S OFFICE.
THEY HAD HUGE FIGHTS BUT THEY THE REPUBLICAN LEADER'S OFFICE.
THEY HAD HUGE FIGHTS BUT THEY ALSO GOT ALONG.
THEY HAD HUGE FIGHTS BUT THEY ALSO GOT ALONG.
THEY DIDN'T SURPRISE EACH OTHER.
ALSO GOT ALONG.
THEY DIDN'T SURPRISE EACH OTHER.
HE WAS A MAN OF HIS TIMES.
THEY DIDN'T SURPRISE EACH OTHER.
HE WAS A MAN OF HIS TIMES.
HE WAS A LIBERAL.
HE WAS A MAN OF HIS TIMES.
HE WAS A LIBERAL.
LANDSLIDECTED ON THE HE WAS A LIBERAL.
LANDSLIDECTED ON THE OF 1964 AND KICKED OUT ON THE LANDSLIDECTED ON THE OF 1964 AND KICKED OUT ON THE REPUBLICAN LANDSLIDE OF 1994.
OF 1964 AND KICKED OUT ON THE REPUBLICAN LANDSLIDE OF 1994.
HE BROUGHT TO THE JOB THIS GREAT REPUBLICAN LANDSLIDE OF 1994.
HE BROUGHT TO THE JOB THIS GREAT SOCIETY LIBERALISM ON DOMESTIC HE BROUGHT TO THE JOB THIS GREAT SOCIETY LIBERALISM ON DOMESTIC BUT THE SORT OF SOCIETY LIBERALISM ON DOMESTIC BUT THE SORT OF CENTRIST-TO-CONSERVATIVE BUT THE SORT OF CENTRIST-TO-CONSERVATIVE POLICYT ON THE FOREIGN CENTRIST-TO-CONSERVATIVE POLICYT ON THE FOREIGN DEFENSE THINGS LIKE HIS MENTOR, POLICYT ON THE FOREIGN DEFENSE THINGS LIKE HIS MENTOR, SCOOP JACKSON.
DEFENSE THINGS LIKE HIS MENTOR, SCOOP JACKSON.
IF I COULD SAY ONE THING THAT SCOOP JACKSON.
IF I COULD SAY ONE THING THAT PUTS IT IN THE REPORT.
IF I COULD SAY ONE THING THAT PUTS IT IN THE REPORT.
WAS THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE PUTS IT IN THE REPORT.
WAS THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN AT ONE POINT AND HE WAS THE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN AT ONE POINT AND HE DOLE, BIPARTISAN, CHAIRMAN AT ONE POINT AND HE DOLE, BIPARTISAN, DEVISED THE FARM BILL, A DOLE, BIPARTISAN, DEVISED THE FARM BILL, A OF FARM SUBSIDIES DEVISED THE FARM BILL, A OF FARM SUBSIDIES FOR THE RURAL PEOPLE AND OF FARM SUBSIDIES FOR THE RURAL PEOPLE AND NUTRITION PROGRAMS AND FOOD FOR THE RURAL PEOPLE AND NUTRITION PROGRAMS AND FOOD THEPS FOR THE CITIES AND NUTRITION PROGRAMS AND FOOD THEPS FOR THE CITIES AND POOR.
THEPS FOR THE CITIES AND POOR.
GWEN: CAN ANYBODY IMAGINE THAT POOR.
GWEN: CAN ANYBODY IMAGINE THAT SORT OF FIGURE B GWEN: CAN ANYBODY IMAGINE THAT SORT OF FIGURE B FLOURISH IN THE CURRENT SORT OF FIGURE B FLOURISH IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT?
FLOURISH IN THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT?
>> VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TODAY.
ENVIRONMENT?
>> VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TODAY.
GWEN: REALLY.
>> VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TODAY.
GWEN: REALLY.
JUST -- YOU KNOW, THE GWEN: REALLY.
JUST -- YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINGS USED TO WORK DON'T JUST -- YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINGS USED TO WORK DON'T WORK TODAY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THINGS USED TO WORK DON'T WORK TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN THE WORK TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN THE POLITICS THAT WE HAVE AND THE CHANGES IN THE POLITICS THAT WE HAVE AND THE THAT WE SEEMOSITY POLITICS THAT WE HAVE AND THE THAT WE SEEMOSITY FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER THAT WE SEEMOSITY FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER WHICH, AGAIN, WE SAW IN THIS FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER WHICH, AGAIN, WE SAW IN THIS FIGHT.
WHICH, AGAIN, WE SAW IN THIS FIGHT.
IT JUST KEPT SPILLING OUT AND SO FIGHT.
IT JUST KEPT SPILLING OUT AND SO DEALS WHENT MAKE IT JUST KEPT SPILLING OUT AND SO DEALS WHENT MAKE THEIR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL DEALS WHENT MAKE THEIR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL OR AS MITCH MCCONNELL SAID, WHEN THEIR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL OR AS MITCH MCCONNELL SAID, WHEN LINE AND THE 2-YARD OR AS MITCH MCCONNELL SAID, WHEN LINE AND THE 2-YARD HAVE TO TRY TO PUNT WHICH IS THE LINE AND THE 2-YARD HAVE TO TRY TO PUNT WHICH IS THE WAY HE FELT HE WAS IN THE FINAL HAVE TO TRY TO PUNT WHICH IS THE WAY HE FELT HE WAS IN THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS.
WAY HE FELT HE WAS IN THE FINAL NEGOTIATIONS.
GWEN: WAS TOM FOLEY A INVESTMENT NEGOTIATIONS.
GWEN: WAS TOM FOLEY A INVESTMENT OF -- VICTIM OF THAT VERY THING?
GWEN: WAS TOM FOLEY A INVESTMENT OF -- VICTIM OF THAT VERY THING?
YES, HE WAS, HE WAS A VICTIM OF -- VICTIM OF THAT VERY THING?
YES, HE WAS, HE WAS A VICTIM OF THE GINGRICH REVOLUTION IN YES, HE WAS, HE WAS A VICTIM OF THE GINGRICH REVOLUTION IN FIGURE.
A FASCINATING OF THE GINGRICH REVOLUTION IN FIGURE.
A FASCINATING I MET HIM WHEN I FIRST CAME TO FIGURE.
A FASCINATING I MET HIM WHEN I FIRST CAME TO WASHINGTON.
I MET HIM WHEN I FIRST CAME TO WASHINGTON.
WAS COVERING AGRICULTURE FOR WASHINGTON.
WAS COVERING AGRICULTURE FOR NATIONAL JOURNAL AND I WENT UP WAS COVERING AGRICULTURE FOR NATIONAL JOURNAL AND I WENT UP TO INTERVIEW HIM AND HE GAVE ME NATIONAL JOURNAL AND I WENT UP TO INTERVIEW HIM AND HE GAVE ME A LOT OF TIME AND TAUGHT ME A TO INTERVIEW HIM AND HE GAVE ME A LOT OF TIME AND TAUGHT ME A LOT.
A LOT OF TIME AND TAUGHT ME A LOT.
HE WAS VERY PATIENT.
LOT.
HE WAS VERY PATIENT.
IT ANDVERY LITTLE ABOUT HE WAS VERY PATIENT.
IT ANDVERY LITTLE ABOUT HE WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY IT ANDVERY LITTLE ABOUT HE WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER.
HE WAS ALWAYS THAT WAY THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER.
GWEN: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER.
GWEN: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT MEMORY OF TOM FOLEY.
GWEN: THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT MEMORY OF TOM FOLEY.
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