GWEN: A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THIS WEEK ON SYRIA, SECURITY POLITICS, IMMIGRATION AND AT THE WEEK ON SYRIA, SECURITY POLITICS, IMMIGRATION AND AT THE SUPREME COURT.

POLITICS, IMMIGRATION AND AT THE SUPREME COURT.

TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

SUPREME COURT.

TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

OBLITERATED IN SYRIA.

TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."

OBLITERATED IN SYRIA.

>> EXTREMELY HIGH RATE OF OBLITERATED IN SYRIA.

>> EXTREMELY HIGH RATE OF MONTH AFTER MONTH >> EXTREMELY HIGH RATE OF MONTH AFTER MONTH REFLECTS THE DRASTICALLY MONTH AFTER MONTH REFLECTS THE DRASTICALLY THERIORATING PATTERN OF REFLECTS THE DRASTICALLY THERIORATING PATTERN OF CONFLICT OVER THE PAST YEAR.

THERIORATING PATTERN OF CONFLICT OVER THE PAST YEAR.

GWEN: WITH MORE THAN 90,000 NOW CONFLICT OVER THE PAST YEAR.

GWEN: WITH MORE THAN 90,000 NOW DEAD, AS THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT GWEN: WITH MORE THAN 90,000 NOW DEAD, AS THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT USES CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST DEAD, AS THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT USES CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST OWN, THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS USES CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST OWN, THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS IT'S READY TO ACT.

OWN, THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS IT'S READY TO ACT.

HEZBOLLAH, THE, IT'S READY TO ACT.

HEZBOLLAH, THE, IRANIANS ARE ALL IN.

HEZBOLLAH, THE, IRANIANS ARE ALL IN.

CHANGE THETO IRANIANS ARE ALL IN.

CHANGE THETO EQUATION ON THE GROUND DAN YOU CHANGE THETO EQUATION ON THE GROUND DAN YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH HALF MEASURES.

EQUATION ON THE GROUND DAN YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH HALF MEASURES.

THE U.S. FAR IS CAN'T DO IT WITH HALF MEASURES.

THE U.S. FAR IS WILLING TO GO?

THE U.S. FAR IS WILLING TO GO?

THE N.S.A.

LEAKER GOES PUBLIC.

WILLING TO GO?

THE N.S.A.

LEAKER GOES PUBLIC.

FORWARDAN'T COME THE N.S.A.

LEAKER GOES PUBLIC.

FORWARDAN'T COME AGAINST THE WORLD'S MOST FORWARDAN'T COME AGAINST THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES AGAINST THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES FREE FROMPLETELY POWERFUL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES FREE FROMPLETELY .ISK FREE FROMPLETELY .ISK IF THEY WANT TO GET YOU, THELLY' .ISK IF THEY WANT TO GET YOU, THELLY' IN TIME.

IF THEY WANT TO GET YOU, THELLY' IN TIME.

GWEN: SO THE INVESTIGATION IN TIME.

GWEN: SO THE INVESTIGATION BEGINS.

GWEN: SO THE INVESTIGATION BEGINS.

>> I HOPE HE'S PROSECUTED TO THE BEGINS.

>> I HOPE HE'S PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.

>> I HOPE HE'S PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.

WE TELL THE TERRORISTS FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.

WE TELL THE TERRORISTS EVERY WAY WE'RE GOING TO TRACK WE TELL THE TERRORISTS EVERY WAY WE'RE GOING TO TRACK THEM, THEY WILL GET THROUGH AND EVERY WAY WE'RE GOING TO TRACK THEM, THEY WILL GET THROUGH AND AMERICANS WILL DIE.

THEM, THEY WILL GET THROUGH AND AMERICANS WILL DIE.

THAT'S WRONG.

AMERICANS WILL DIE.

THAT'S WRONG.

GWEN: PLUS, THE SENATE MOVES ON THAT'S WRONG.

GWEN: PLUS, THE SENATE MOVES ON IMMIGRATION.

GWEN: PLUS, THE SENATE MOVES ON IMMIGRATION.

THE SYSTEM'S STILL BROKEN AND IMMIGRATION.

THE SYSTEM'S STILL BROKEN AND TO TRULY DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE, THE SYSTEM'S STILL BROKEN AND TO TRULY DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE, CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT AND THAT TO TRULY DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE, CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT AND THAT MOMENT IS NOW.

CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT AND THAT MOMENT IS NOW.

BILL FAILS AND WE DO MOMENT IS NOW.

BILL FAILS AND WE DO NOTHING, THAT'S DE FACTO BILL FAILS AND WE DO NOTHING, THAT'S DE FACTO AMNESTY.

NOTHING, THAT'S DE FACTO AMNESTY.

THE HIGH COURT SAYS AMNESTY.

THE HIGH COURT SAYS HUMAN GENES CANNOT BE PATENTED.

THE HIGH COURT SAYS HUMAN GENES CANNOT BE PATENTED.

ETEEK, MARK MAZZTI HUMAN GENES CANNOT BE PATENTED.

ETEEK, MARK MAZZTI TIMES," KARENRK ETEEK, MARK MAZZTI TIMES," KARENRK TUMULTY OF THE "WASHINGTON TIMES," KARENRK TUMULTY OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," ALAN GOMEZ OF "U.S.A. TUMULTY OF THE "WASHINGTON POST," ALAN GOMEZ OF "U.S.A. AND JOAN BISKUPIC WITH POST," ALAN GOMEZ OF "U.S.A. AND JOAN BISKUPIC WITH REUTERS.

AND JOAN BISKUPIC WITH REUTERS.

AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND REUTERS.

AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ITLYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ITLYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS HAPPENS.

ITLYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS HAPPENS.

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, HAPPENS.

LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, WEEK" WITHSHINGTON LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, WEEK" WITHSHINGTON GWEN IFILL.

LIVE FROM, WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

FROM ALL SIDES, GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

FROM ALL SIDES, ALLIES AND CRITICS ALIKE, THE FROM ALL SIDES, ALLIES AND CRITICS ALIKE, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS ANNOUNCED IT ALLIES AND CRITICS ALIKE, THE WHITE HOUSE HAS ANNOUNCED IT WILL INTERVENE IN THE BLEED WHITE HOUSE HAS ANNOUNCED IT WILL INTERVENE IN THE BLEED SYRIAN CIVIL WAR.

WILL INTERVENE IN THE BLEED SYRIAN CIVIL WAR.

HOW FAR IS THE OBAMA SYRIAN CIVIL WAR.

HOW FAR IS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WILLING TO GO?

HOW FAR IS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WILLING TO GO?

>> PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ADMINISTRATION WILLING TO GO?

>> PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY FLUID AND >> PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY FLUID AND DYNAMIC SITUATION AND THE THAT THIS IS A VERY FLUID AND DYNAMIC SITUATION AND THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND WILL DYNAMIC SITUATION AND THE SITUATION ON THE GROUND WILL ITS OWN TWISTS AND TURNS.

SITUATION ON THE GROUND WILL ITS OWN TWISTS AND TURNS.

OF OWN POLICY HAS BEEN ONE ITS OWN TWISTS AND TURNS.

OF OWN POLICY HAS BEEN ONE INCREMENTALLY INCREASED SUPPORT OF OWN POLICY HAS BEEN ONE INCREMENTALLY INCREASED SUPPORT FOR THE OPPOSITION, EFFORTS TO INCREMENTALLY INCREASED SUPPORT FOR THE OPPOSITION, EFFORTS TO PRESSURE THE ASSAD REGIME BUT FOR THE OPPOSITION, EFFORTS TO PRESSURE THE ASSAD REGIME BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL PRESSURE THE ASSAD REGIME BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL A RESOLVED WITH THE TURN OF THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL A RESOLVED WITH THE TURN OF SWITCH.

A RESOLVED WITH THE TURN OF SWITCH.

GWEN: WHATEVER THE SWITCH.

GWEN: WHATEVER THE ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO DO, GWEN: WHATEVER THE ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO DO, TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE?

ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO DO, TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE?

MANY THINK IT IS.

TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE?

MANY THINK IT IS.

THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HAVE MANY THINK IT IS.

THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HAVE SEEN THE REBEL POSITIONS THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HAVE SEEN THE REBEL POSITIONS COLLAPSING, GOVERNMENT TROOPS SEEN THE REBEL POSITIONS COLLAPSING, GOVERNMENT TROOPS MOVING ON A NUMBER OF KEY COLLAPSING, GOVERNMENT TROOPS MOVING ON A NUMBER OF KEY POSITIONS AND IT REALLY LOOKED MOVING ON A NUMBER OF KEY POSITIONS AND IT REALLY LOOKED REBELLION WAS BEGINNING POSITIONS AND IT REALLY LOOKED REBELLION WAS BEGINNING TO FALL APART AND THAT REBELLION WAS BEGINNING TO FALL APART AND THAT PRECIPITATED THIS FLURRY OF TO FALL APART AND THAT PRECIPITATED THIS FLURRY OF MEETINGS IN WASHINGTON TO DECIDE PRECIPITATED THIS FLURRY OF MEETINGS IN WASHINGTON TO DECIDE DO ABOUT POSSIBLY MEETINGS IN WASHINGTON TO DECIDE DO ABOUT POSSIBLY SUPPORTING THE REBELS.

DO ABOUT POSSIBLY SUPPORTING THE REBELS.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAD THE SUPPORTING THE REBELS.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAD THE THEULATION ABOUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAD THE THEULATION ABOUT DETERMINATION OF CHEMICAL THEULATION ABOUT DETERMINATION OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS, WHETHER CHEMICAL DETERMINATION OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS, WHETHER CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE USED BY GOVERNMENT WEAPONS, WHETHER CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE USED BY GOVERNMENT TROOPS AND AS WE HEARD ON WEAPONS WERE USED BY GOVERNMENT TROOPS AND AS WE HEARD ON THURSDAY, THE DETERMINATION IS TROOPS AND AS WE HEARD ON THURSDAY, THE DETERMINATION IS THAT THEY DID SO TWO STRANDS THURSDAY, THE DETERMINATION IS THAT THEY DID SO TWO STRANDS THE COMING TOGETHER, THAT THEY DID SO TWO STRANDS THE COMING TOGETHER, CHEMICAL WEAPONS ISSUE AND THE THE COMING TOGETHER, CHEMICAL WEAPONS ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT THE REBELLION WAS CHEMICAL WEAPONS ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT THE REBELLION WAS FALLING APART.

FACT THAT THE REBELLION WAS FALLING APART.

GWEN: I WATCHED WHAT BEN RHODES FALLING APART.

GWEN: I WATCHED WHAT BEN RHODES SAID, AND I DIDN'T COME AWAY GWEN: I WATCHED WHAT BEN RHODES SAID, AND I DIDN'T COME AWAY CLEAR.

SAID, AND I DIDN'T COME AWAY CLEAR.

WHAT ARE WE DOING, EXACTLY?

CLEAR.

WHAT ARE WE DOING, EXACTLY?

THEY'RE DOING THE LEAST THEY WHAT ARE WE DOING, EXACTLY?

THEY'RE DOING THE LEAST THEY CAN DO WHILE STILL LOOKING LIKE THEY'RE DOING THE LEAST THEY CAN DO WHILE STILL LOOKING LIKE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING.

CAN DO WHILE STILL LOOKING LIKE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING.

THEY'VE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING.

THEY'VE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THE FIRST TIME DIRECT MILITARY SUPPORT TO PROVIDE FOR THE FIRST TIME DIRECT MILITARY SUPPORT TO THEAIN REBEL GROUPS AND DIRECT MILITARY SUPPORT TO THEAIN REBEL GROUPS AND MILITARY SUPPORT IS A SMALL ARMS THEAIN REBEL GROUPS AND MILITARY SUPPORT IS A SMALL ARMS POSSIBLY ANTI-TANK MILITARY SUPPORT IS A SMALL ARMS POSSIBLY ANTI-TANK WEAPONS.

POSSIBLY ANTI-TANK WEAPONS.

THEY ARE DRAWING THE LINE FOR WEAPONS.

THEY ARE DRAWING THE LINE FOR THE MOMENT ON ANYTHING HEAVIER THEY ARE DRAWING THE LINE FOR THE MOMENT ON ANYTHING HEAVIER THAT AND THEY PRETTY MUCH THE MOMENT ON ANYTHING HEAVIER THAT AND THEY PRETTY MUCH ARE RULING OUT NO-FLY ZONE.

THAT AND THEY PRETTY MUCH ARE RULING OUT NO-FLY ZONE.

THEY'RE RULING OUT SOME OF THE ARE RULING OUT NO-FLY ZONE.

THEY'RE RULING OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THE REBELS HAVE SAID THEY THEY'RE RULING OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THE REBELS HAVE SAID THEY NEED SO THE QUESTION IS OF THINGS THE REBELS HAVE SAID THEY NEED SO THE QUESTION IS OF COURSE, IS THIS REAL, IS THIS NEED SO THE QUESTION IS OF COURSE, IS THIS REAL, IS THIS COSMETIC?

COURSE, IS THIS REAL, IS THIS COSMETIC?

IT COULD BE BOTH.

COSMETIC?

IT COULD BE BOTH.

A COSMETIC MOVE THAT IT COULD BE BOTH.

A COSMETIC MOVE THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT.

A COSMETIC MOVE THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT.

AMMUNITION IS NOT NOTHING SO COULD HAVE AN IMPACT.

AMMUNITION IS NOT NOTHING SO WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF A CHANGE AMMUNITION IS NOT NOTHING SO WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF A CHANGE THIS COULD EFFECT ON THE GROUND.

WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF A CHANGE THIS COULD EFFECT ON THE GROUND.

GWEN: MARK, SPEAK ABOUT IT ON THIS COULD EFFECT ON THE GROUND.

GWEN: MARK, SPEAK ABOUT IT ON NOUND, ABOUT BEN RHODES SAY GWEN: MARK, SPEAK ABOUT IT ON NOUND, ABOUT BEN RHODES SAY BOOTS ON THE GROUND BUT A ROLE NOUND, ABOUT BEN RHODES SAY BOOTS ON THE GROUND BUT A ROLE FOR THE C.I.A.

BOOTS ON THE GROUND BUT A ROLE FOR THE C.I.A.

ROLE?S THE C.I.A.

'S FOR THE C.I.A.

ROLE?S THE C.I.A.

'S >> THEY'VE RULED OUT AMERICAN ROLE?S THE C.I.A.

'S >> THEY'VE RULED OUT AMERICAN MILITARY, AS THEY DID -- >> THEY'VE RULED OUT AMERICAN MILITARY, AS THEY DID -- PART THAT WAS NEVER REALLY MILITARY, AS THEY DID -- PART THAT WAS NEVER REALLY OF THE -- PART THAT WAS NEVER REALLY OF THE -- >> CORRECT.

OF THE -- >> CORRECT.

IT WAS NEVER PART OF THE >> CORRECT.

IT WAS NEVER PART OF THE SAID NO BOOTSHEY IT WAS NEVER PART OF THE SAID NO BOOTSHEY ON THE GROUND IN LIBYA BUT IT SAID NO BOOTSHEY ON THE GROUND IN LIBYA BUT IT COULDN'T SENDEY ON THE GROUND IN LIBYA BUT IT COULDN'T SENDEY OPRAVATIVES IN LIBYA SO COULDN'T SENDEY OPRAVATIVES IN LIBYA SO A TRAINING OPRAVATIVES IN LIBYA SO A TRAINING ROLE AND WORKING WITH VETTED A TRAINING ROLE AND WORKING WITH VETTED GROUPS, AGAIN, TO TRY TO CHANGE ROLE AND WORKING WITH VETTED GROUPS, AGAIN, TO TRY TO CHANGE BALANCE NOT ONLY AGAINST THE GROUPS, AGAIN, TO TRY TO CHANGE BALANCE NOT ONLY AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO CHANGE THE BALANCE NOT ONLY AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO CHANGE THE REBELLION.HIN THE GOVERNMENT BUT ALSO CHANGE THE REBELLION.HIN THE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISE REBELLION.HIN THE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISE OF ISLAMIST GROUPS SO THEY WANT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISE OF ISLAMIST GROUPS SO THEY WANT TO SUPPORT, WITH THE C.I.A.

OF ISLAMIST GROUPS SO THEY WANT TO SUPPORT, WITH THE C.I.A.

THE LEAD, THE GROUPS THAT TO SUPPORT, WITH THE C.I.A.

THE LEAD, THE GROUPS THAT ARE CONSIDERED MORE SECULAR.

THE LEAD, THE GROUPS THAT ARE CONSIDERED MORE SECULAR.

FIRST TERM THERE ARE CONSIDERED MORE SECULAR.

FIRST TERM THERE WERE DEEP DIVISIONS ON THE FIRST TERM THERE WERE DEEP DIVISIONS ON THE PRESIDENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY WERE DEEP DIVISIONS ON THE PRESIDENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM OVER THIS ISSUE THAT WE NOW PRESIDENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM OVER THIS ISSUE THAT WE NOW HAVE SOME NEW PEOPLE IN NEW TEAM OVER THIS ISSUE THAT WE NOW HAVE SOME NEW PEOPLE IN NEW POSITIONS.

HAVE SOME NEW PEOPLE IN NEW POSITIONS.

OF HOW THER SENSE POSITIONS.

OF HOW THER SENSE OBAMA TEAM -- ARE THEY ALL OF HOW THER SENSE OBAMA TEAM -- ARE THEY ALL UNIFIED ON THIS AT THIS POINT?

OBAMA TEAM -- ARE THEY ALL UNIFIED ON THIS AT THIS POINT?

THERE DIVISIONS?

UNIFIED ON THIS AT THIS POINT?

THERE DIVISIONS?

>> THERE ARE STILL PRETTY DEEP THERE DIVISIONS?

>> THERE ARE STILL PRETTY DEEP DIVISIONS AND THE WHITE HOUSE >> THERE ARE STILL PRETTY DEEP DIVISIONS AND THE WHITE HOUSE IS PRETTY MUCH REMAINED DIVISIONS AND THE WHITE HOUSE IS PRETTY MUCH REMAINED CONSISTENT.

IS PRETTY MUCH REMAINED CONSISTENT.

THEY'RE RELUCTANT TO DO THIS.

CONSISTENT.

THEY'RE RELUCTANT TO DO THIS.

THEY'RE SKEPTICAL OF THE THEY'RE RELUCTANT TO DO THIS.

THEY'RE SKEPTICAL OF THE IT AND THEY'RE THEY'RE SKEPTICAL OF THE IT AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER -- IT AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER -- GETTING DEEP INTO ANOTHER WAR IN CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER -- GETTING DEEP INTO ANOTHER WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

GETTING DEEP INTO ANOTHER WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN THE MIDDLE EAST.

THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN THE MOST HAWKISH.

THE STATE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN THE MOST HAWKISH.

THE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MOST HAWKISH.

THE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT COLLAPSE OF SYRIA, THEY'RE THE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT COLLAPSE OF SYRIA, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IT COULD DO COLLAPSE OF SYRIA, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IT COULD DO THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.

CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IT COULD DO THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.

ARE ELEMENTS THROUGH THE THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.

ARE ELEMENTS THROUGH THE THE STATE DEPARTMENT PUSHING FOR ARE ELEMENTS THROUGH THE THE STATE DEPARTMENT PUSHING FOR SOMETHING MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE THE STATE DEPARTMENT PUSHING FOR SOMETHING MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE ONN WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED SOMETHING MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE ONN WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED THURSDAY.

ONN WHAT WAS ANNOUNCED THURSDAY.

THERE'S TALK OF DIRECT AIR THURSDAY.

THERE'S TALK OF DIRECT AIR STRIKES TO HIT SYRIAN AIRFIELDS, THERE'S TALK OF DIRECT AIR STRIKES TO HIT SYRIAN AIRFIELDS, CUTTING OFF IRANIAN SUPPLIES.

STRIKES TO HIT SYRIAN AIRFIELDS, CUTTING OFF IRANIAN SUPPLIES.

THIS PUSH IN THE STATE CUTTING OFF IRANIAN SUPPLIES.

THIS PUSH IN THE STATE FAR HASN'T HAD A THIS PUSH IN THE STATE FAR HASN'T HAD A BIG EFFECT.

FAR HASN'T HAD A BIG EFFECT.

IT'S ONLY MOVED THE POLICY SO BIG EFFECT.

IT'S ONLY MOVED THE POLICY SO FAR.

IT'S ONLY MOVED THE POLICY SO FAR.

>> MARK, TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE FAR.

>> MARK, TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE IMPACT OF WHAT THIS AID CAN DO, >> MARK, TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE IMPACT OF WHAT THIS AID CAN DO, WE SAW A REPORT THIS WEEK THAT IMPACT OF WHAT THIS AID CAN DO, WE SAW A REPORT THIS WEEK THAT 500-SOME AIR-TO-GROUND WE SAW A REPORT THIS WEEK THAT 500-SOME AIR-TO-GROUND ATTACKS BY THE ASSAD REGIME SO 500-SOME AIR-TO-GROUND ATTACKS BY THE ASSAD REGIME SO IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ATTACKS BY THE ASSAD REGIME SO IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OF ANTI-AIRCRAFT POTENTIAL, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OF ANTI-AIRCRAFT POTENTIAL, JUST SMALL ARMS AND POSSIBLY OF ANTI-AIRCRAFT POTENTIAL, JUST SMALL ARMS AND POSSIBLY ANTI-TANK WEAPONS, WHAT IMPACT JUST SMALL ARMS AND POSSIBLY ANTI-TANK WEAPONS, WHAT IMPACT CAN THAT HAVE?

ANTI-TANK WEAPONS, WHAT IMPACT CAN THAT HAVE?

>> THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE LIKE JOHN CAN THAT HAVE?

>> THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE LIKE JOHN MCCAIN ARE CERTAINLY ASKING.

>> THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE LIKE JOHN MCCAIN ARE CERTAINLY ASKING.

WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BLUNT MCCAIN ARE CERTAINLY ASKING.

WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BLUNT ANDAIR OFFENSIVE BY ASSAD WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BLUNT ANDAIR OFFENSIVE BY ASSAD SO IT'S AT THIS POINT A GOOD ANDAIR OFFENSIVE BY ASSAD SO IT'S AT THIS POINT A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN SO IT'S AT THIS POINT A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN DYNAMIC WHEN THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN DYNAMIC WHEN THE THERE'S SUCH AN OVERWHELMING DYNAMIC WHEN THE THERE'S SUCH AN OVERWHELMING SUPERIORITY ON THE PART OF THE THERE'S SUCH AN OVERWHELMING SUPERIORITY ON THE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT BEING SUPERIORITY ON THE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT BEING SUPPORTED NOT ONLY BY IRAN BUT GOVERNMENT BEING SUPPORTED NOT ONLY BY IRAN BUT MUCH OFHEZBOLLAH SO HOW SUPPORTED NOT ONLY BY IRAN BUT MUCH OFHEZBOLLAH SO HOW THIS REALLY DOES CHANGE THE MUCH OFHEZBOLLAH SO HOW THIS REALLY DOES CHANGE THE DYNAMIC WHEN YOU'RE TALKING THIS REALLY DOES CHANGE THE DYNAMIC WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL ARMS AND ANTI-TANK DYNAMIC WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL ARMS AND ANTI-TANK WEAPONS.

ABOUT SMALL ARMS AND ANTI-TANK WEAPONS.

YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE WEAPONS.

YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE BAD CHOICES HERE, YOU THINK TO YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE BAD CHOICES HERE, YOU THINK TO YOURSELF THAT THE UNITED STATES BAD CHOICES HERE, YOU THINK TO YOURSELF THAT THE UNITED STATES ABLE TO EFFECTBE YOURSELF THAT THE UNITED STATES ABLE TO EFFECTBE A CHANGE, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO EFFECTBE A CHANGE, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE REBELS,ARM THE RIGHT A CHANGE, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE REBELS,ARM THE RIGHT U.S.

PRESENCE IS ON THEATEVE REBELS,ARM THE RIGHT U.S.

PRESENCE IS ON THEATEVE GROUND.

U.S.

PRESENCE IS ON THEATEVE GROUND.

ADMINISTRATION GROUND.

ADMINISTRATION REGRET DRAWING A RED LINE ABOUT ADMINISTRATION REGRET DRAWING A RED LINE ABOUT THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS?

REGRET DRAWING A RED LINE ABOUT THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS?

THINK THE TIME HIS A STORY THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS?

THINK THE TIME HIS A STORY ABOUT A MONTH AGO ABOUT SOME OF THINK THE TIME HIS A STORY ABOUT A MONTH AGO ABOUT SOME OF BACK-AND-FORTH IN THE OBAMA ABOUT A MONTH AGO ABOUT SOME OF BACK-AND-FORTH IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ABOUT USING THE BACK-AND-FORTH IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ABOUT USING THE RED LINE.

ADMINISTRATION ABOUT USING THE RED LINE.

I THINK THERE ARE REGRETS THAT RED LINE.

I THINK THERE ARE REGRETS THAT BACKED THEMSELVES INTO A I THINK THERE ARE REGRETS THAT BACKED THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER.

BACKED THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER.

THE PROBLEM BY DECLARING A RED CORNER.

THE PROBLEM BY DECLARING A RED CROSSED YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM BY DECLARING A RED CROSSED YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND I CROSSED YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND I THINK THERE WAS A FEELING U.S. TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND I THINK THERE WAS A FEELING U.S.

CREDIBILITY WAS ON THE LINE.

THINK THERE WAS A FEELING U.S.

CREDIBILITY WAS ON THE LINE.

YOU COULDN'T HAVE IGNORED THE CREDIBILITY WAS ON THE LINE.

YOU COULDN'T HAVE IGNORED THE WEAPONS DETERMINATION YOU COULDN'T HAVE IGNORED THE WEAPONS DETERMINATION AND ONCE YOU HAD THAT WEAPONS DETERMINATION AND ONCE YOU HAD THAT HAD TO DOION YOU AND ONCE YOU HAD THAT HAD TO DOION YOU SOMETHING.

HAD TO DOION YOU SOMETHING.

GWEN:YOU COULD SAY THEY IGNORED SOMETHING.

GWEN:YOU COULD SAY THEY IGNORED ELSE'S DETERMINATION GWEN:YOU COULD SAY THEY IGNORED ELSE'S DETERMINATION UNTIL THEY HAD THEIR OWN.

ELSE'S DETERMINATION UNTIL THEY HAD THEIR OWN.

>> THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO PLAY UNTIL THEY HAD THEIR OWN.

>> THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO PLAY THIS OUT IN TERMS OF BUYING TIME >> THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO PLAY THIS OUT IN TERMS OF BUYING TIME A DECISION.

THIS OUT IN TERMS OF BUYING TIME A DECISION.

GWEN: I WONDER IF BILL CLINTON A DECISION.

GWEN: I WONDER IF BILL CLINTON HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

GWEN: I WONDER IF BILL CLINTON HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

THE CASE.T BE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

THE CASE.T BE GWEN: SEVEN YEARS AGO WE SAT AT THE CASE.T BE GWEN: SEVEN YEARS AGO WE SAT AT THIS TABLE AND TALKED ABOUT THE GWEN: SEVEN YEARS AGO WE SAT AT THIS TABLE AND TALKED ABOUT THE DISCOVERY OF A VAST SECRET THIS TABLE AND TALKED ABOUT THE DISCOVERY OF A VAST SECRET PROGRAM THE NATIONAL SECURITY DISCOVERY OF A VAST SECRET PROGRAM THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY WAS USING TO COLLECT PROGRAM THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY WAS USING TO COLLECT PHONE RECORDS OF AMERICAN AGENCY WAS USING TO COLLECT PHONE RECORDS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS.

PHONE RECORDS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS.

PRESIDENT THEN, GEORGE W. CITIZENS.

PRESIDENT THEN, GEORGE W. BUSH, DEFENDED IT.

PRESIDENT THEN, GEORGE W. BUSH, DEFENDED IT.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MOSTLY BUSH, DEFENDED IT.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MOSTLY WE ARE AGAINRE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MOSTLY WE ARE AGAINRE WITH ONE KEY DIFFERENCE.

WE ARE AGAINRE WITH ONE KEY DIFFERENCE.

WE HAVE THE IDENTITY OF THE WITH ONE KEY DIFFERENCE.

WE HAVE THE IDENTITY OF THE THEON WHO LEAKED WE HAVE THE IDENTITY OF THE THEON WHO LEAKED INFORMATION.

THEON WHO LEAKED INFORMATION.

WHAT'S MORE, HE'S FLED TO CHINA.

INFORMATION.

WHAT'S MORE, HE'S FLED TO CHINA.

SWITCHEDNVERSATION HAS WHAT'S MORE, HE'S FLED TO CHINA.

SWITCHEDNVERSATION HAS FROM THE EXISTENCE OF THE SWITCHEDNVERSATION HAS FROM THE EXISTENCE OF THE MOTIVES OF THE FROM THE EXISTENCE OF THE MOTIVES OF THE LEAKER.

MOTIVES OF THE LEAKER.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, KAREN?

LEAKER.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, KAREN?

>> ONE REASON IT SWITCHED IS IT HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, KAREN?

>> ONE REASON IT SWITCHED IS IT BOTH SURPRISING TO DISCOVER >> ONE REASON IT SWITCHED IS IT BOTH SURPRISING TO DISCOVER THAT THIS PERSON WHO HAD ALL BOTH SURPRISING TO DISCOVER THAT THIS PERSON WHO HAD ALL ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT THAT THIS PERSON WHO HAD ALL ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT SECRETS.

ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT SECRETS.

EDWARD SNOWDEN.

SECRETS.

EDWARD SNOWDEN.

THEDWARD SNOWDEN, WHO HAD EDWARD SNOWDEN.

THEDWARD SNOWDEN, WHO HAD CAPACITY TO LEAK THEM, TURNS OUT THEDWARD SNOWDEN, WHO HAD CAPACITY TO LEAK THEM, TURNS OUT TO BE A 29-YEAR-OLD CONTRACTOR CAPACITY TO LEAK THEM, TURNS OUT TO BE A 29-YEAR-OLD CONTRACTOR THE N.S.A.

AND HE'S ONLY TO BE A 29-YEAR-OLD CONTRACTOR THE N.S.A.

AND HE'S ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB FOR THREE THE N.S.A.

AND HE'S ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB FOR THREE MONTHS.

BEEN ON THE JOB FOR THREE MONTHS.

SO THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT IT MONTHS.

SO THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT IT JUST SO SURPRISING, SO THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT IT JUST SO SURPRISING, THATING, BUT I ALSO THINK JUST SO SURPRISING, THATING, BUT I ALSO THINK EDWARD SNOWDEN HAS IN MANY CASES THATING, BUT I ALSO THINK EDWARD SNOWDEN HAS IN MANY CASES RORSHCHARCH TEST OF EDWARD SNOWDEN HAS IN MANY CASES RORSHCHARCH TEST OF HOW CONFLICTED THIS COUNTRY IS RORSHCHARCH TEST OF HOW CONFLICTED THIS COUNTRY IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE AS HOW CONFLICTED THIS COUNTRY IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE AS DIVERSE AS, YOU KNOW, GLEN BECK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE AS DIVERSE AS, YOU KNOW, GLEN BECK, THE CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR, DIVERSE AS, YOU KNOW, GLEN BECK, THE CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR, THE LIBERALE, THE CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR, THE LIBERALE, ELSBURGR, EVEN DANIEL THE LIBERALE, ELSBURGR, EVEN DANIEL TO WHOM HE'S BEING COMPARED, ELSBURGR, EVEN DANIEL TO WHOM HE'S BEING COMPARED, CALLING HIM A HERO, AND YET YOU TO WHOM HE'S BEING COMPARED, CALLING HIM A HERO, AND YET YOU CONGRESSIONALE CALLING HIM A HERO, AND YET YOU CONGRESSIONALE LEADERSHIP CALLING FOR HIM TO BE CONGRESSIONALE LEADERSHIP CALLING FOR HIM TO BE TRIED AS A CRIMINAL.

LEADERSHIP CALLING FOR HIM TO BE TRIED AS A CRIMINAL.

GWEN: IS THAT HAPPENING IN TRIED AS A CRIMINAL.

GWEN: IS THAT HAPPENING IN PART -- BY TURNING THE GWEN: IS THAT HAPPENING IN PART -- BY TURNING THE CONVERSATION TO WHETHER WHAT HE PART -- BY TURNING THE CONVERSATION TO WHETHER WHAT HE ILLEGAL, CONGRESS CONVERSATION TO WHETHER WHAT HE ILLEGAL, CONGRESS DOESN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION ILLEGAL, CONGRESS DOESN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS LAWFUL WHAT DOESN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS LAWFUL WHAT PROGRAM, ALLOWING THE ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS LAWFUL WHAT PROGRAM, ALLOWING THE TO EXIST.

PROGRAM, ALLOWING THE TO EXIST.

>> IT APPEARS EVERYTHING THAT TO EXIST.

>> IT APPEARS EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE WAS IN FACT LAWFUL SO >> IT APPEARS EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE WAS IN FACT LAWFUL SO WHAT SHOULD BE, WAS DONE WAS IN FACT LAWFUL SO WHAT SHOULD BE, LAWFUL, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE WHAT SHOULD BE, LAWFUL, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SECURITYUR DESIRE FOR LAWFUL, AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SECURITYUR DESIRE FOR WITH OUR DESIRE FOR PRIVACY AND SECURITYUR DESIRE FOR WITH OUR DESIRE FOR PRIVACY AND NOTHING HAS BEEN WITH OUR DESIRE FOR PRIVACY AND NOTHING HAS BEEN MORE -- BRINGS THAT POINT HOME NOTHING HAS BEEN MORE -- BRINGS THAT POINT HOME THE CLEARLY THAN TO WATCH MORE -- BRINGS THAT POINT HOME THE CLEARLY THAN TO WATCH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THE CLEARLY THAN TO WATCH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO AS A SENATOR IN 2007 SAID PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO AS A SENATOR IN 2007 SAID CHOICE TOS A FALSE WHO AS A SENATOR IN 2007 SAID CHOICE TOS A FALSE SUGGEST THAT THERE IS SOME CHOICE TOS A FALSE SUGGEST THAT THERE IS SOME CHOICE BETWEEN THE LIBERTIES WE SUGGEST THAT THERE IS SOME CHOICE BETWEEN THE LIBERTIES WE SECURITY WETHE CHOICE BETWEEN THE LIBERTIES WE SECURITY WETHE DEMAND.

SECURITY WETHE DEMAND.

THIS WEEK WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS DEMAND.

THIS WEEK WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS THAT THEY WERE STRIKING THE THIS WEEK WHAT HE WAS SAYING WAS THAT THEY WERE STRIKING THE THE NEED TO KEEP THAT THEY WERE STRIKING THE THE NEED TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEED TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE SAFE AND CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY BECAUSE THERE ARE INVOLVED.

PRIVACY BECAUSE THERE ARE INVOLVED.

>> SO WHAT'S BEHIND THE CHANGE?

INVOLVED.

>> SO WHAT'S BEHIND THE CHANGE?

BECOMEUST WHEN YOU >> SO WHAT'S BEHIND THE CHANGE?

BECOMEUST WHEN YOU PRESIDENT YOU LIKE POWER AND YOU BECOMEUST WHEN YOU PRESIDENT YOU LIKE POWER AND YOU LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH -- PRESIDENT YOU LIKE POWER AND YOU LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH -- GWEN: BEING PRESIDENT CHANGES LIKE TO HAVE AS MUCH -- GWEN: BEING PRESIDENT CHANGES YOUR WORLD VIEW?

GWEN: BEING PRESIDENT CHANGES YOUR WORLD VIEW?

>> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR WORLD VIEW?

>> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SENATOR OBAMA AND PRESIDENT >> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SENATOR OBAMA AND PRESIDENT OBAMA?

SENATOR OBAMA AND PRESIDENT OBAMA?

IT WAS REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE OBAMA?

IT WAS REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE AS DICK CHENEY WAS LEAVING IT WAS REALLY FUNNY BECAUSE AS DICK CHENEY WAS LEAVING ANICE WHERE HE GAVE AS DICK CHENEY WAS LEAVING ANICE WHERE HE GAVE INTERVIEW AND HE SAID THE NEW ANICE WHERE HE GAVE INTERVIEW AND HE SAID THE NEW PRESIDENT WILL APPRECIATE SOME INTERVIEW AND HE SAID THE NEW PRESIDENT WILL APPRECIATE SOME PLACE THINGS WE PUT INTO PRESIDENT WILL APPRECIATE SOME PLACE THINGS WE PUT INTO BUT THE OTHER THING THAT'S PLACE THINGS WE PUT INTO BUT THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS PUBLIC BUT THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS PUBLIC OPINION ON THIS.

REALLY INTERESTING IS PUBLIC OPINION ON THIS.

A "WASHINGTON POST" OPINION ON THIS.

A "WASHINGTON POST" PUGH RESEARCH POLL THAT CAME OUT A "WASHINGTON POST" PUGH RESEARCH POLL THAT CAME OUT SUGGESTING THAT OVERALL PUBLIC PUGH RESEARCH POLL THAT CAME OUT SUGGESTING THAT OVERALL PUBLIC HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL SUGGESTING THAT OVERALL PUBLIC HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL ON THIS SUBJECT SINCE 2006.

HAS NOT CHANGED AT ALL ON THIS SUBJECT SINCE 2006.

SUPPORTSCHANGED IS WHO ON THIS SUBJECT SINCE 2006.

SUPPORTSCHANGED IS WHO WHAT.

SUPPORTSCHANGED IS WHO WHAT.

WE'RE ONLY 30% OF DEMOCRATS WHAT.

WE'RE ONLY 30% OF DEMOCRATS THESE PROGRAMS WHEN WE'RE ONLY 30% OF DEMOCRATS THESE PROGRAMS WHEN THEY WERE GEORGE BUSH'S TO RUN, THESE PROGRAMS WHEN THEY WERE GEORGE BUSH'S TO RUN, 64% OF DEMOCRATS THEY WERE GEORGE BUSH'S TO RUN, 64% OF DEMOCRATS SUPPORT IT AND THE REPUBLICANS 64% OF DEMOCRATS SUPPORT IT AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE EXACTLY THE OTHER WAY.

SUPPORT IT AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE EXACTLY THE OTHER WAY.

ESSENTIALLY -- AS LONG AS HAVE GONE EXACTLY THE OTHER WAY.

ESSENTIALLY -- AS LONG AS IT'S OUR GUY IN THE CHAIR, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY -- AS LONG AS IT'S OUR GUY IN THE CHAIR, WE'RE THIS.OMFORTABLE WITH IT'S OUR GUY IN THE CHAIR, WE'RE THIS.OMFORTABLE WITH AND IT IS INTERESTING GIVEN THAT THIS.OMFORTABLE WITH AND IT IS INTERESTING GIVEN THAT HE WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AND IT IS INTERESTING GIVEN THAT HE WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR WHO SPOKE SO MUCH HE WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR WHO SPOKE SO MUCH CIVIL LIBERTIES BUT IT IS PROFESSOR WHO SPOKE SO MUCH CIVIL LIBERTIES BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT ROLE HE'S IN NOW.

CIVIL LIBERTIES BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT ROLE HE'S IN NOW.

IS THERE A DEFENSIVENESS ON THE A DIFFERENT ROLE HE'S IN NOW.

IS THERE A DEFENSIVENESS ON THE PEOPLE INSE SO MANY IS THERE A DEFENSIVENESS ON THE PEOPLE INSE SO MANY CONGRESS SUPPOSEDLY WERE BRIEFED PEOPLE INSE SO MANY CONGRESS SUPPOSEDLY WERE BRIEFED ABOUT THIS, SUPPOSEDLY KNEW A CONGRESS SUPPOSEDLY WERE BRIEFED ABOUT THIS, SUPPOSEDLY KNEW A SOME OFT IT AND I KNOW ABOUT THIS, SUPPOSEDLY KNEW A SOME OFT IT AND I KNOW THEM SAID BEING BRIEFED IS NOT SOME OFT IT AND I KNOW THEM SAID BEING BRIEFED IS NOT THE SAME AS KNOWING THE EXTENT THEM SAID BEING BRIEFED IS NOT THE SAME AS KNOWING THE EXTENT EASIER TOT IT'S THE SAME AS KNOWING THE EXTENT EASIER TOT IT'S EDWARD SNOWDEN NOW THAN EASIER TOT IT'S EDWARD SNOWDEN NOW THAN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

EDWARD SNOWDEN NOW THAN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

WHAT'S YOUR SENSE ABOUT WHAT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

WHAT'S YOUR SENSE ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW?

WHAT'S YOUR SENSE ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW?

THIS TIME, UNLIKE THEY KNOW?

THIS TIME, UNLIKE WHEN GEORGE BUSH WAS CAUGHT THIS TIME, UNLIKE WHEN GEORGE BUSH WAS CAUGHT GOING AROUND THE COURTS AND WHEN GEORGE BUSH WAS CAUGHT GOING AROUND THE COURTS AND AROUND CONGRESS.

GOING AROUND THE COURTS AND AROUND CONGRESS.

THEY HAVE BEEN BRIEFED.

AROUND CONGRESS.

THEY HAVE BEEN BRIEFED.

PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WERE THEY HAVE BEEN BRIEFED.

PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WERE SAYING THE FIRST DAY, IF THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WERE SAYING THE FIRST DAY, IF THERE'S A SCANDAL HERE, THEY'RE PART OF SAYING THE FIRST DAY, IF THERE'S A SCANDAL HERE, THEY'RE PART OF IT, TOO.

A SCANDAL HERE, THEY'RE PART OF IT, TOO.

BUT YOU ARE HEARING TALK OF SOME IT, TOO.

BUT YOU ARE HEARING TALK OF SOME OF LEGISLATION.

BUT YOU ARE HEARING TALK OF SOME OF LEGISLATION.

BASICALLY THEY FALL INTO TWO OF LEGISLATION.

BASICALLY THEY FALL INTO TWO THAT WOULDILLS, ONE BASICALLY THEY FALL INTO TWO THAT WOULDILLS, ONE REQUIRE THE GOLF PROVE THAT THAT WOULDILLS, ONE REQUIRE THE GOLF PROVE THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE GOING REQUIRE THE GOLF PROVE THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE GOING AFTER, THESE RECORDS THEY'RE THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE GOING AFTER, THESE RECORDS THEY'RE AFTER ARE IN FACT MUCH AFTER, THESE RECORDS THEY'RE AFTER ARE IN FACT MUCH MORE CLOSELY TIED TO A TERRORISM AFTER ARE IN FACT MUCH MORE CLOSELY TIED TO A TERRORISM OTHER SET OF MORE CLOSELY TIED TO A TERRORISM OTHER SET OF LEGISLATION WOULD BE SOMETHING OTHER SET OF LEGISLATION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT JUST ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE LEGISLATION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT JUST ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY TO THE WHOLE THAT JUST ADDS A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY TO THE WHOLE PROCESS AND MAYBE DECLASSIFIES TRANSPARENCY TO THE WHOLE PROCESS AND MAYBE DECLASSIFIES MAKESF THESE DECISIONS OR PROCESS AND MAYBE DECLASSIFIES MAKESF THESE DECISIONS OR THE GOVERNMENT SORT OF TELL THE MAKESF THESE DECISIONS OR THE GOVERNMENT SORT OF TELL THE PUBLIC A LITTLE MORE WHAT THE THE GOVERNMENT SORT OF TELL THE PUBLIC A LITTLE MORE WHAT THE RATIONALE IS HERE.

PUBLIC A LITTLE MORE WHAT THE RATIONALE IS HERE.

CURIOUS.

I'M RATIONALE IS HERE.

CURIOUS.

I'M THIS COMES AT THE TAIL END OF CURIOUS.

I'M THIS COMES AT THE TAIL END OF SITUATIONS FOR THE THIS COMES AT THE TAIL END OF SITUATIONS FOR THE PRESIDENT, FOR THE SITUATIONS FOR THE PRESIDENT, FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

PRESIDENT, FOR THE ADMINISTRATION.

>> AWKWARD.

ADMINISTRATION.

>> AWKWARD.

THE I.R.S.

TARGETING >> AWKWARD.

THE I.R.S.

TARGETING TEA PARTY GROUP, THE JUSTICE THE I.R.S.

TARGETING TEA PARTY GROUP, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT GOING AFTER MEDIA TEA PARTY GROUP, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT GOING AFTER MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS AND SUBPOENAING DEPARTMENT GOING AFTER MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS AND SUBPOENAING THEIR RECORDS.

ORGANIZATIONS AND SUBPOENAING THEIR RECORDS.

SO WHAT POSITION DOES THAT PUT THEIR RECORDS.

SO WHAT POSITION DOES THAT PUT IN IN TERMSRATION SO WHAT POSITION DOES THAT PUT IN IN TERMSRATION OF PURSUING SNOWDEN PERSONALLY?

IN IN TERMSRATION OF PURSUING SNOWDEN PERSONALLY?

>> ONE THING IT TELLS US, THE OF PURSUING SNOWDEN PERSONALLY?

>> ONE THING IT TELLS US, THE HAS IN FACT ARRIVED >> ONE THING IT TELLS US, THE HAS IN FACT ARRIVED AND ALL OF THESE -- WHETHER YOU HAS IN FACT ARRIVED AND ALL OF THESE -- WHETHER YOU THEM SCANDALS OR TRUMPED UP AND ALL OF THESE -- WHETHER YOU THEM SCANDALS OR TRUMPED UP PSEUDO SCANDALS, THEM SCANDALS OR TRUMPED UP PSEUDO SCANDALS, WHAT THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS PSEUDO SCANDALS, WHAT THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS THE SENSE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS WHAT THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS THE SENSE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS RUN AMUCK.

THE SENSE THAT GOVERNMENT HAS RUN AMUCK.

GWEN: OVERREACH.

RUN AMUCK.

GWEN: OVERREACH.

OVERREACH.

GWEN: OVERREACH.

OVERREACH.

IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE TEA OVERREACH.

IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE TEA THEY HAS BEEN GORED HERE, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE TEA THEY HAS BEEN GORED HERE, PRESS HAS BEEN GORED HERE, THE THEY HAS BEEN GORED HERE, PRESS HAS BEEN GORED HERE, THE LEFT HAS BEEN DISAPPOINTED IN PRESS HAS BEEN GORED HERE, THE LEFT HAS BEEN DISAPPOINTED IN ITS PRESIDENT SO THAT'S THE LEFT HAS BEEN DISAPPOINTED IN ITS PRESIDENT SO THAT'S THE IF ANYTHING UNITES IT.

ITS PRESIDENT SO THAT'S THE IF ANYTHING UNITES IT.

GWEN: THAT EVERYBODY'S UNHAPPY.

IF ANYTHING UNITES IT.

GWEN: THAT EVERYBODY'S UNHAPPY.

KAREN.OU, GWEN: THAT EVERYBODY'S UNHAPPY.

KAREN.OU, AS A MASSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM KAREN.OU, AS A MASSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL GOES THROUGH THE SENATE, AS A MASSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL GOES THROUGH THE SENATE, ARE A NUMBER OF STICKING BILL GOES THROUGH THE SENATE, ARE A NUMBER OF STICKING POINTS.

ARE A NUMBER OF STICKING POINTS.

CHIEF AMONG THEM WHAT, BORDER POINTS.

CHIEF AMONG THEM WHAT, BORDER SECURITY WOULD AND SHOULD LOOK CHIEF AMONG THEM WHAT, BORDER SECURITY WOULD AND SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

SECURITY WOULD AND SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

MY AMENDMENT HAS REAL BORDER LIKE.

MY AMENDMENT HAS REAL BORDER PLACE WHILEGGERS IN MY AMENDMENT HAS REAL BORDER PLACE WHILEGGERS IN THE GANG OF 8 BILL HAS NO PLACE WHILEGGERS IN THE GANG OF 8 BILL HAS NO WILLTIVE TRIGGER THAT THE GANG OF 8 BILL HAS NO WILLTIVE TRIGGER THAT GUARANTEE IMPLEMENTATION OF WILLTIVE TRIGGER THAT GUARANTEE IMPLEMENTATION OF BORDER SECURITY STANDARDS THAT GUARANTEE IMPLEMENTATION OF BORDER SECURITY STANDARDS THAT REACH THE GANG'SARDS BORDER SECURITY STANDARDS THAT REACH THE GANG'SARDS SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, REACH THE GANG'SARDS SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, 90% APPREHENSION RATE.

SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, 90% APPREHENSION RATE.

>> WE CERTAINLY WANT TO IMPROVE 90% APPREHENSION RATE.

>> WE CERTAINLY WANT TO IMPROVE THE BORDER BUT WE CANNOT IMPROVE >> WE CERTAINLY WANT TO IMPROVE THE BORDER BUT WE CANNOT IMPROVE THAT BORDER AND PUT IN PLACE THE BORDER BUT WE CANNOT IMPROVE THAT BORDER AND PUT IN PLACE ARE NOT THAT THAT BORDER AND PUT IN PLACE ARE NOT THAT SPECIFICALLY AND ACHIEVABLE.

ARE NOT THAT SPECIFICALLY AND ACHIEVABLE.

BYN: WE HAVE TO START SPECIFICALLY AND ACHIEVABLE.

BYN: WE HAVE TO START EXPLAINING WHAT WAS IT THAT THE BYN: WE HAVE TO START EXPLAINING WHAT WAS IT THAT THE SENATOR WAS TALKING ABOUT.

EXPLAINING WHAT WAS IT THAT THE SENATOR WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF SENATOR WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF HE WASDY BUT THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF HE WASDY BUT SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT HE WASDY BUT SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT ACHIEVABILITY.

SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT ACHIEVABILITY.

WHAT ISHIS PROPOSAL AND ACHIEVABILITY.

WHAT ISHIS PROPOSAL AND THE GANG OF 8 TALKING ABOUT?

WHAT ISHIS PROPOSAL AND THE GANG OF 8 TALKING ABOUT?

MEMBERTOR SCHUMER IS A THE GANG OF 8 TALKING ABOUT?

MEMBERTOR SCHUMER IS A OF THE GANG OF 8 AND THEY'RE MEMBERTOR SCHUMER IS A OF THE GANG OF 8 AND THEY'RE THEING $6.5 BILLION TOWARDS OF THE GANG OF 8 AND THEY'RE THEING $6.5 BILLION TOWARDS PROTECTIONBORDER THEING $6.5 BILLION TOWARDS PROTECTIONBORDER OFFICERS ALONG THE BORDER AND PROTECTIONBORDER OFFICERS ALONG THE BORDER AND THEY'RE ESTABLISHING GOALS THAT OFFICERS ALONG THE BORDER AND THEY'RE ESTABLISHING GOALS THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO MONITOR THEY'RE ESTABLISHING GOALS THAT THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO MONITOR 100% OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER WITH THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO MONITOR 100% OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER WITH MEXICO AND STOP 90% OF THE 100% OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER WITH MEXICO AND STOP 90% OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS IT.

MEXICO AND STOP 90% OF THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS IT.

WHAT SENATOR CORDEN WANTS TO DO PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS IT.

WHAT SENATOR CORDEN WANTS TO DO IS TURN THOSE GOALS INTO WHAT SENATOR CORDEN WANTS TO DO IS TURN THOSE GOALS INTO REQUIREMENTS, TURN THEM INTO IS TURN THOSE GOALS INTO REQUIREMENTS, TURN THEM INTO TRIGGERS SO THAT NOBODY -- NONE REQUIREMENTS, TURN THEM INTO TRIGGERS SO THAT NOBODY -- NONE OF THE 11 MILLION UNAUTHORIZED TRIGGERS SO THAT NOBODY -- NONE OF THE 11 MILLION UNAUTHORIZED THE COUNTRY RIGHT OF THE 11 MILLION UNAUTHORIZED THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW CAN PROCEED TO START GETTING THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW CAN PROCEED TO START GETTING GREEN CARDS, APPLYING FOR U.S. NOW CAN PROCEED TO START GETTING GREEN CARDS, APPLYING FOR U.S. UNTIL THOSE 90%, GREEN CARDS, APPLYING FOR U.S. UNTIL THOSE 90%, 100% TRIGGERS ARE MET.

UNTIL THOSE 90%, 100% TRIGGERS ARE MET.

GWEN: I HEARD THAT THE PROPOSAL, 100% TRIGGERS ARE MET.

GWEN: I HEARD THAT THE PROPOSAL, A POISON PILL, DESIGNED TO KILL GWEN: I HEARD THAT THE PROPOSAL, A POISON PILL, DESIGNED TO KILL THE OVERALL BILL?

A POISON PILL, DESIGNED TO KILL THE OVERALL BILL?

THAT'S THE CONTENTION FROM THE OVERALL BILL?

THAT'S THE CONTENTION FROM THE GANG OF 8 AND THE DEMOCRATS THAT'S THE CONTENTION FROM THE GANG OF 8 AND THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW.

THE GANG OF 8 AND THE DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW.

FEEL THEY'RE DOING MORE IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW.

FEEL THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN ENOUGH TO FURTHER SECURE FEEL THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN ENOUGH TO FURTHER SECURE THE BORDER.

THAN ENOUGH TO FURTHER SECURE THE BORDER.

REPUBLICANS DON'T.

THE BORDER.

REPUBLICANS DON'T.

THEY HAVE FLASHBACKS OF 1986 REPUBLICANS DON'T.

THEY HAVE FLASHBACKS OF 1986 WHEN THERE WAS A MASS THEY HAVE FLASHBACKS OF 1986 WHEN THERE WAS A MASS OF UNAUTHORIZED WHEN THERE WAS A MASS OF UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS AND IN THAT CASE THE OF UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS AND IN THAT CASE THE LEGALIZATION PART HAPPENED BUT IMMIGRANTS AND IN THAT CASE THE LEGALIZATION PART HAPPENED BUT BORDER SECURITY PART DID LEGALIZATION PART HAPPENED BUT BORDER SECURITY PART DID NOT.

BORDER SECURITY PART DID NOT.

WE'VE NOW GOT 11 MILLION NOT.

WE'VE NOW GOT 11 MILLION UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE WE'VE NOW GOT 11 MILLION UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE COME IN THE COUNTRY SINCE THEN UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS WHO HAVE COME IN THE COUNTRY SINCE THEN SO WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING COME IN THE COUNTRY SINCE THEN SO WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ALL SO WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ALL STUFF DOWN FOR BORDER IS WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ALL STUFF DOWN FOR BORDER SECURITY BUT YOU CAN'T PUT UP STUFF DOWN FOR BORDER SECURITY BUT YOU CAN'T PUT UP THESE ROADBLOCKS FOR THE SECURITY BUT YOU CAN'T PUT UP THESE ROADBLOCKS FOR THE CITIZENSHIP TO GET THESE ROADBLOCKS FOR THE CITIZENSHIP TO GET AND THAT'S THE BATTLE YOU'RE CITIZENSHIP TO GET AND THAT'S THE BATTLE YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE GOING AND THAT'S THE BATTLE YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FIGHTING OVER THIS FOR A SEEING RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE GOING TO BE FIGHTING OVER THIS FOR A NOW.E WHILE TO BE FIGHTING OVER THIS FOR A NOW.E WHILE >> LET ME ASK ABOUT THE MOMENT NOW.E WHILE >> LET ME ASK ABOUT THE MOMENT THEY TALKED ABOUT, PRESIDENT >> LET ME ASK ABOUT THE MOMENT THEY TALKED ABOUT, PRESIDENT MOMENT,LKED ABOUT THIS THEY TALKED ABOUT, PRESIDENT MOMENT,LKED ABOUT THIS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE TALKED MOMENT,LKED ABOUT THIS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MOMENT.

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MOMENT.

WE'RE RAPIDLY APPROACHING ABOUT THIS MOMENT.

WE'RE RAPIDLY APPROACHING ELECTION SEASON WE'RE RAPIDLY APPROACHING ELECTION SEASON IN 2014.

ELECTION SEASON IN 2014.

STRONG AS I'VE IN 2014.

STRONG AS I'VE SEEN ENERGY TOWARD AN STRONG AS I'VE SEEN ENERGY TOWARD AN IMMIGRATION BILL IN A LONG, LONG SEEN ENERGY TOWARD AN IMMIGRATION BILL IN A LONG, LONG WHAT'SHAT'S THE SENSE OF IMMIGRATION BILL IN A LONG, LONG WHAT'SHAT'S THE SENSE OF GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT WITH THE WHAT'SHAT'S THE SENSE OF GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT WITH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE TAKING IT GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT WITH THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE TAKING IT UP?

SENATE AND THE HOUSE TAKING IT UP?

ITTHERE A SENSE OF URGENCY UP?

ITTHERE A SENSE OF URGENCY THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE IT ITTHERE A SENSE OF URGENCY THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN THIS TIME AROUND?

THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY MAKE IT HAPPEN THIS TIME AROUND?

>> THE LAST TIME THERE WAS ANY HAPPEN THIS TIME AROUND?

>> THE LAST TIME THERE WAS ANY ATTEMPT LIKE THIS WAS >> THE LAST TIME THERE WAS ANY ATTEMPT LIKE THIS WAS 2007 AND THERE WAS NO APPETITE ATTEMPT LIKE THIS WAS 2007 AND THERE WAS NO APPETITE THIS A YEAR AGO, THEN THE 2007 AND THERE WAS NO APPETITE THIS A YEAR AGO, THEN THE 2012 ELECTIONS HAPPENED AND THE THIS A YEAR AGO, THEN THE 2012 ELECTIONS HAPPENED AND THE REPUBLICANS WERE HAMMERED WITH 2012 ELECTIONS HAPPENED AND THE REPUBLICANS WERE HAMMERED WITH THE HISPANIC VOTE.

REPUBLICANS WERE HAMMERED WITH THE HISPANIC VOTE.

MITT ROMNEY GOT 27% OF THE THE HISPANIC VOTE.

MITT ROMNEY GOT 27% OF THE HISPANIC VOTE AND IMMEDIATELY MITT ROMNEY GOT 27% OF THE HISPANIC VOTE AND IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS THIS GROUP CAME HISPANIC VOTE AND IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS THIS GROUP CAME TOGETHER, JOHN MCCAIN TOOK TO AFTERWARDS THIS GROUP CAME TOGETHER, JOHN MCCAIN TOOK TO THE STAGE AND SAID, POLITICS, WE TOGETHER, JOHN MCCAIN TOOK TO THE STAGE AND SAID, POLITICS, WE CAN'THOSE VOTES AND WE THE STAGE AND SAID, POLITICS, WE CAN'THOSE VOTES AND WE CONTINUE LOSING THIS VOTING CAN'THOSE VOTES AND WE CONTINUE LOSING THIS VOTING SEGMENT, THIS QUICKLY, CONTINUE LOSING THIS VOTING SEGMENT, THIS QUICKLY, CONSTANTLY GROWING ELECTORATE, SEGMENT, THIS QUICKLY, CONSTANTLY GROWING ELECTORATE, WE CAN'T LOSE IT AS MUCH AS WE CONSTANTLY GROWING ELECTORATE, WE CAN'T LOSE IT AS MUCH AS WE SO THAT'S THEIR IMPETUS.

WE CAN'T LOSE IT AS MUCH AS WE SO THAT'S THEIR IMPETUS.

DEMOCRATS HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS SO THAT'S THEIR IMPETUS.

DEMOCRATS HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS FOR SOME TIME.

DEMOCRATS HAVE WANTED TO DO THIS FOR SOME TIME.

>> BEYOND THE POTENTIAL FOR FOR SOME TIME.

>> BEYOND THE POTENTIAL FOR TRIGGERS TO BE A POISON PILL, >> BEYOND THE POTENTIAL FOR TRIGGERS TO BE A POISON PILL, ARE THE OTHER DEAL BREAKERS TRIGGERS TO BE A POISON PILL, ARE THE OTHER DEAL BREAKERS THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN ARE THE OTHER DEAL BREAKERS THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN AMENDMENTS ON THE SENATE FLOOR?

THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN AMENDMENTS ON THE SENATE FLOOR?

WE'RE SEEING THE COST OF AMENDMENTS ON THE SENATE FLOOR?

WE'RE SEEING THE COST OF THIS, REALLY JUST ALL OVER.

WE'RE SEEING THE COST OF THIS, REALLY JUST ALL OVER.

THE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE LOOKING THIS, REALLY JUST ALL OVER.

THE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BRINGING 11 MILLION PEOPLE, MANY AT THIS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BRINGING 11 MILLION PEOPLE, MANY PERFORMING LOW-SKILL JOBS, THEIR BRINGING 11 MILLION PEOPLE, MANY PERFORMING LOW-SKILL JOBS, THEIR EDUCATION LEVELS AREN'T AS HIGH PERFORMING LOW-SKILL JOBS, THEIR EDUCATION LEVELS AREN'T AS HIGH AS OTHER FOLKS SO THEY'RE EDUCATION LEVELS AREN'T AS HIGH AS OTHER FOLKS SO THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT ALL OF THEM AS OTHER FOLKS SO THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT ALL OF THEM BECOMING PUBLIC CHARGES SO WHAT WORRIED ABOUT ALL OF THEM BECOMING PUBLIC CHARGES SO WHAT GOING TO SEE IS A WIDE BECOMING PUBLIC CHARGES SO WHAT GOING TO SEE IS A WIDE VARIETY OF WAYS TO TRY TO GET GOING TO SEE IS A WIDE VARIETY OF WAYS TO TRY TO GET THEM NOT TO BE PUBLIC CHARGES.

VARIETY OF WAYS TO TRY TO GET THEM NOT TO BE PUBLIC CHARGES.

THERE'S AN AMENDMENT BY SENATOR THEM NOT TO BE PUBLIC CHARGES.

THERE'S AN AMENDMENT BY SENATOR ALABAMA THAT THERE'S AN AMENDMENT BY SENATOR ALABAMA THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IF THE PERSON ALABAMA THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IF THE PERSON SHOWS HE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC SPECIFICALLY SAYS IF THE PERSON SHOWS HE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC FORGE, HE CANNOT APPLY SHOWS HE'S GOING TO BE A PUBLIC FORGE, HE CANNOT APPLY CITIZENSHIP.

FORGE, HE CANNOT APPLY CITIZENSHIP.

SENATOR FROM UTAH IS PROPOSING CITIZENSHIP.

SENATOR FROM UTAH IS PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE THEM TO SENATOR FROM UTAH IS PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE THEM TO PAY ALL OF THE BACK TAXES OWED AN AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE THEM TO PAY ALL OF THE BACK TAXES OWED MAKE THEY'VE BEEN HERE TO PAY ALL OF THE BACK TAXES OWED MAKE THEY'VE BEEN HERE TO IT LESS OF A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON MAKE THEY'VE BEEN HERE TO IT LESS OF A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS AS THEY IT LESS OF A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN AND DEMOCRATS ARE THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN AND DEMOCRATS ARE RELUCTANT TO SOME OF THESE POSSIBLY CAN AND DEMOCRATS ARE RELUCTANT TO SOME OF THESE BECAUSE AGAIN PUTTING TOO MANY RELUCTANT TO SOME OF THESE BECAUSE AGAIN PUTTING TOO MANY HURDLES ON TOO MANY BECAUSE AGAIN PUTTING TOO MANY HURDLES ON TOO MANY THE WAY FOR THE 11 MILLION TO HURDLES ON TOO MANY THE WAY FOR THE 11 MILLION TO GET CITIZENSHIP.

THE WAY FOR THE 11 MILLION TO GET CITIZENSHIP.

>> WE SAW JUST A SECOND AGO GET CITIZENSHIP.

>> WE SAW JUST A SECOND AGO RUBIO SPEAKING.

>> WE SAW JUST A SECOND AGO RUBIO SPEAKING.

HIS ROLE IS INTERESTING AND RUBIO SPEAKING.

HIS ROLE IS INTERESTING AND PROMINENT.

HIS ROLE IS INTERESTING AND PROMINENT.

HOW DO YOU ENVISION HIS ROLE PROMINENT.

HOW DO YOU ENVISION HIS ROLE WILL AFFECT THE DEBATE?

HOW DO YOU ENVISION HIS ROLE WILL AFFECT THE DEBATE?

RUBIO HAS BEEN ONE OF WILL AFFECT THE DEBATE?

RUBIO HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING RUBIO HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING THROUGHOUT THIS.

THE MOST FASCINATING THROUGHOUT THIS.

HE'S TALKED ABOUT AS A POTENTIAL THROUGHOUT THIS.

HE'S TALKED ABOUT AS A POTENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND HE'S HE'S TALKED ABOUT AS A POTENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND HE'S TAKEN THE LEAD ON THIS AND HE'S PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND HE'S TAKEN THE LEAD ON THIS AND HE'S THE ONE GIVING THIS GROUP COVER TAKEN THE LEAD ON THIS AND HE'S THE ONE GIVING THIS GROUP COVER WITH CONSERVATIVES.

THE ONE GIVING THIS GROUP COVER WITH CONSERVATIVES.

HE'S ON THE CONSERVATIVE TALK WITH CONSERVATIVES.

HE'S ON THE CONSERVATIVE TALK SELLING THISHE ONE HE'S ON THE CONSERVATIVE TALK SELLING THISHE ONE TO THEM SO HIS SUPPORT IS SELLING THISHE ONE TO THEM SO HIS SUPPORT IS PARAMOUNT.

TO THEM SO HIS SUPPORT IS PARAMOUNT.

AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT AFTER PARAMOUNT.

AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT AFTER BILL,AME OUT WITH THE AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT AFTER BILL,AME OUT WITH THE HE'S BEEN SAYING THAT THE BILL BILL,AME OUT WITH THE HE'S BEEN SAYING THAT THE BILL NEEDS IMPROVEMENT AND BORDER HE'S BEEN SAYING THAT THE BILL NEEDS IMPROVEMENT AND BORDER THOSE AREAS.NE OF NEEDS IMPROVEMENT AND BORDER THOSE AREAS.NE OF GWEN: ON TOP OF THAT HE SAID THOSE AREAS.NE OF GWEN: ON TOP OF THAT HE SAID HE'S WILLING TO WALK AWAY IF HE GWEN: ON TOP OF THAT HE SAID HE'S WILLING TO WALK AWAY IF HE DOESN'T GET WHAT HE WANTS.

HE'S WILLING TO WALK AWAY IF HE DOESN'T GET WHAT HE WANTS.

THANKS A LOT, ALAN, WELCOME TO DOESN'T GET WHAT HE WANTS.

THANKS A LOT, ALAN, WELCOME TO "WASHINGTON WEEK."

THANKS A LOT, ALAN, WELCOME TO "WASHINGTON WEEK."

TONIGHT, A BIG SUPREME "WASHINGTON WEEK."

TONIGHT, A BIG SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT COULD HAVE A TONIGHT, A BIG SUPREME COURT DECISION THAT COULD HAVE A FAR REACHING EFFECT ON A COURT DECISION THAT COULD HAVE A FAR REACHING EFFECT ON A UNIQUELY 21ST CENTURY FAR REACHING EFFECT ON A UNIQUELY 21ST CENTURY QUESTION -- CAN HUMAN GENES BE UNIQUELY 21ST CENTURY QUESTION -- CAN HUMAN GENES BE PATENTED?

QUESTION -- CAN HUMAN GENES BE PATENTED?

NO ANDREME COURT SAYS PATENTED?

NO ANDREME COURT SAYS YES.

NO ANDREME COURT SAYS YES.

WHAT'S THE DISTINCTION THERE, YES.

WHAT'S THE DISTINCTION THERE, JOAN?

WHAT'S THE DISTINCTION THERE, JOAN?

>> THE COURT SAID YOU CANNOT JOAN?

>> THE COURT SAID YOU CANNOT OCCURRINGATURALLY >> THE COURT SAID YOU CANNOT OCCURRINGATURALLY GENE THAT'S BEEN EXTRACTED FROM OCCURRINGATURALLY GENE THAT'S BEEN EXTRACTED FROM THE BODY BUT YOU CAN PATENT A GENE THAT'S BEEN EXTRACTED FROM THE BODY BUT YOU CAN PATENT A BEEN MODIFIED, LIKE THE BODY BUT YOU CAN PATENT A BEEN MODIFIED, LIKE WHAT THEY CALL COMPLEMENTARY BEEN MODIFIED, LIKE WHAT THEY CALL COMPLEMENTARY D.N.A.

WHAT THEY CALL COMPLEMENTARY D.N.A.

THIS IS A BIG CASE.

D.N.A.

THIS IS A BIG CASE.

WE'RE NOW IN JUNE, WE'RE GETTING THIS IS A BIG CASE.

WE'RE NOW IN JUNE, WE'RE GETTING BEST RULINGS OVER THE NEXT WE'RE NOW IN JUNE, WE'RE GETTING BEST RULINGS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND THIS BRINGS THE BEST RULINGS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND THIS BRINGS THE VERY MODERNHIS TWO WEEKS AND THIS BRINGS THE VERY MODERNHIS BIOTECH INDUSTRY AND THE VERY MODERNHIS BIOTECH INDUSTRY AND THE JUSTICES ESSENTIALLY WENT VERY BIOTECH INDUSTRY AND THE JUSTICES ESSENTIALLY WENT VERY NARROW IN SORT OF A COMPROMISE JUSTICES ESSENTIALLY WENT VERY NARROW IN SORT OF A COMPROMISE SAYING UNDER PATENT LAW -- LET NARROW IN SORT OF A COMPROMISE SAYING UNDER PATENT LAW -- LET AND EXPLAIN THE SAYING UNDER PATENT LAW -- LET AND EXPLAIN THE PATENT LAW.

AND EXPLAIN THE PATENT LAW.

INVENTIONS BUT PATENT LAW.

INVENTIONS BUT YOU CAN'T DO A NATURAL PHENOMENA INVENTIONS BUT YOU CAN'T DO A NATURAL PHENOMENA AND THE QUESTION WAS, JUST YOU CAN'T DO A NATURAL PHENOMENA AND THE QUESTION WAS, JUST GENE, IS THAT AND THE QUESTION WAS, JUST GENE, IS THAT WORKING WITH A NATURAL PHENOMENA GENE, IS THAT WORKING WITH A NATURAL PHENOMENA OR DOES THAT CHANGE IT AND WORKING WITH A NATURAL PHENOMENA OR DOES THAT CHANGE IT AND PATENT AND MYRIAD OR DOES THAT CHANGE IT AND PATENT AND MYRIAD GENETICS BASED IN SALT LAKE CITY PATENT AND MYRIAD GENETICS BASED IN SALT LAKE CITY GOTTEN MULTIPLE PATENTS ON GENETICS BASED IN SALT LAKE CITY GOTTEN MULTIPLE PATENTS ON THIS AND THE COMPANY WAS GOTTEN MULTIPLE PATENTS ON THIS AND THE COMPANY WAS CHALLENGED BY A GROUP OF MEDICAL THIS AND THE COMPANY WAS CHALLENGED BY A GROUP OF MEDICAL AND PATIENT ADVOCACY CHALLENGED BY A GROUP OF MEDICAL AND PATIENT ADVOCACY GROUPS WHO SAID LOOK, WITH AND PATIENT ADVOCACY GROUPS WHO SAID LOOK, WITH MYRIAD GENETICS HAVING THESE GROUPS WHO SAID LOOK, WITH MYRIAD GENETICS HAVING THESE PATENTS AND CHARGING MORE THAN MYRIAD GENETICS HAVING THESE PATENTS AND CHARGING MORE THAN $3,000 FOR GENETIC TESTING, IT'S PATENTS AND CHARGING MORE THAN $3,000 FOR GENETIC TESTING, IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET $3,000 FOR GENETIC TESTING, IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET THESE TESTS.

HARD FOR PEOPLE TO GET THESE TESTS.

GWEN: UNLESS YOU'RE ANGELINA THESE TESTS.

GWEN: UNLESS YOU'RE ANGELINA JOLIE.

GWEN: UNLESS YOU'RE ANGELINA JOLIE.

>> AND THAT MADE THE CASE MORE JOLIE.

>> AND THAT MADE THE CASE MORE INTERESTING BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW >> AND THAT MADE THE CASE MORE INTERESTING BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW DOUBLEENTLY HAD THE INTERESTING BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW DOUBLEENTLY HAD THE MASTECTOMY BECAUSE SHE DOUBLEENTLY HAD THE MASTECTOMY BECAUSE SHE DISCOVERED THE PROPENSITY MASTECTOMY BECAUSE SHE DISCOVERED THE PROPENSITY TOWARDS THE GENE WHICH MUTATION DISCOVERED THE PROPENSITY TOWARDS THE GENE WHICH MUTATION CARRIES A HIGH RISK FOR CANCER TOWARDS THE GENE WHICH MUTATION CARRIES A HIGH RISK FOR CANCER AND WHAT PATIENT RIGHTS CARRIES A HIGH RISK FOR CANCER AND WHAT PATIENT RIGHTS ADVOCATES SAID IT SHOULDN'T BE AND WHAT PATIENT RIGHTS ADVOCATES SAID IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST LEFT TO ACTRESSES, THAT ADVOCATES SAID IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST LEFT TO ACTRESSES, THAT MORE COMPANIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST LEFT TO ACTRESSES, THAT MORE COMPANIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS GENETIC TESTING, IT MORE COMPANIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS GENETIC TESTING, IT SHOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND DO THIS GENETIC TESTING, IT SHOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND THE RULING, ACCORDING TO THE SHOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND THE RULING, ACCORDING TO THE GROUPS THAT BROUGHT THE THE RULING, ACCORDING TO THE GROUPS THAT BROUGHT THE CHALLENGE, SHOULD DO MORE OF GROUPS THAT BROUGHT THE CHALLENGE, SHOULD DO MORE OF THAT.

CHALLENGE, SHOULD DO MORE OF THAT.

GENETICS SAID BECAUSE IT THAT.

GENETICS SAID BECAUSE IT WAS A SPLIT RULING AND IT HOLDS GENETICS SAID BECAUSE IT WAS A SPLIT RULING AND IT HOLDS MULTIPLE PATENTS ON THE WAS A SPLIT RULING AND IT HOLDS MULTIPLE PATENTS ON THE SYNTHETIC D.N.A.

GENE, IT WON'T MULTIPLE PATENTS ON THE SYNTHETIC D.N.A.

GENE, IT WON'T HURT THEIR BUSINESS AS MUCH.

SYNTHETIC D.N.A.

GENE, IT WON'T HURT THEIR BUSINESS AS MUCH.

ALL VERY COMPLEX AND HURT THEIR BUSINESS AS MUCH.

ALL VERY COMPLEX AND CONFUSING, EVEN AFTER READING ALL VERY COMPLEX AND CONFUSING, EVEN AFTER READING IT'S CONFUSING.

CONFUSING, EVEN AFTER READING IT'S CONFUSING.

DO THE JUSTICES THEMSELVES -- IT'S CONFUSING.

DO THE JUSTICES THEMSELVES -- BE RULINGUALIFIED TO DO THE JUSTICES THEMSELVES -- BE RULINGUALIFIED TO ON THESE ISSUES?

BE RULINGUALIFIED TO ON THESE ISSUES?

>> THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTION ON ON THESE ISSUES?

>> THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTION ON THE BLOGS AFTERWARDS SAYING THEY >> THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTION ON THE BLOGS AFTERWARDS SAYING THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.

THE BLOGS AFTERWARDS SAYING THEY JUST DON'T GET IT.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW THE JUST DON'T GET IT.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW THE JUSTICES HANDLED THIS.

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT HOW THE JUSTICES HANDLED THIS.

THIS WAS A CASE ARGUED IN APRIL JUSTICES HANDLED THIS.

THIS WAS A CASE ARGUED IN APRIL AND THEY CAME DOWN LICKETY SPLIT THIS WAS A CASE ARGUED IN APRIL AND THEY CAME DOWN LICKETY SPLIT THE UNANIMOUS RULING, AND THEY CAME DOWN LICKETY SPLIT THE UNANIMOUS RULING, OPINION WRITTEN BY CLARENCE THE UNANIMOUS RULING, OPINION WRITTEN BY CLARENCE THOMAS AND THEY SIGNED ON FOR A OPINION WRITTEN BY CLARENCE THOMAS AND THEY SIGNED ON FOR A COMPROMISE DECISION AND THOMAS AND THEY SIGNED ON FOR A COMPROMISE DECISION AND JUSTICE SCALIA WROTE A SEPARATE COMPROMISE DECISION AND JUSTICE SCALIA WROTE A SEPARATE SAID,RENCE THAT BASICALLY JUSTICE SCALIA WROTE A SEPARATE SAID,RENCE THAT BASICALLY I AM WITH THEM BUT I DON'T GET SAID,RENCE THAT BASICALLY I AM WITH THEM BUT I DON'T GET IT.

I AM WITH THEM BUT I DON'T GET IT.

MOLECULAR BIOLOGY IT.

MOLECULAR BIOLOGY AND DON'T HOLD ME TO IT.

MOLECULAR BIOLOGY AND DON'T HOLD ME TO IT.

THEIDN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT AND DON'T HOLD ME TO IT.

THEIDN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT TRUTH IS IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THEIDN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT TRUTH IS IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT AREA FOR THESE FOLKS.

TRUTH IS IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT AREA FOR THESE FOLKS.

PATENT LAW IS HANDLED BY A AREA FOR THESE FOLKS.

PATENT LAW IS HANDLED BY A SPECIALIZED FEDERAL COURT, THE PATENT LAW IS HANDLED BY A SPECIALIZED FEDERAL COURT, THE APPEALS COURT FOR THE FEDERAL SPECIALIZED FEDERAL COURT, THE APPEALS COURT FOR THE FEDERAL GET THESED WHEN WE APPEALS COURT FOR THE FEDERAL GET THESED WHEN WE CASES, THE JUSTICES AREN'T GET THESED WHEN WE CASES, THE JUSTICES AREN'T AFRAID OF SCIENCE BUT IT'S NOT CASES, THE JUSTICES AREN'T AFRAID OF SCIENCE BUT IT'S NOT THEIR CLOSE ALLY.

AFRAID OF SCIENCE BUT IT'S NOT THEIR CLOSE ALLY.

THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO THEIR CLOSE ALLY.

THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF LONGHORN AT THE DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF LONGHORN AT THE THIS TABLE.

LONGHORN AT THE THIS TABLE.

ONE OF THE CASES SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE.

ONE OF THE CASES SITTING AROUND FOR A LONG TIME THEY HEARD ONE OF THE CASES SITTING AROUND FOR A LONG TIME THEY HEARD TIME AGO IS THE FOR A LONG TIME THEY HEARD TIME AGO IS THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AFFIRMATIVE TIME AGO IS THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASE.

UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASE.

>> YES, KAREN.

ACTION CASE.

>> YES, KAREN.

>> WHERE IS THAT?

>> YES, KAREN.

>> WHERE IS THAT?

HEARD THOSE ARGUMENTS ON >> WHERE IS THAT?

HEARD THOSE ARGUMENTS ON OCTOBER 10 AND WE STILL DON'T HEARD THOSE ARGUMENTS ON OCTOBER 10 AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THAT CASE.

OCTOBER 10 AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THAT CASE.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT TESTS HAVE THAT CASE.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT TESTS WHETHER UNIVERSITIES NATIONWIDE THAT'S THE ONE THAT TESTS WHETHER UNIVERSITIES NATIONWIDE RACE AS A FACTOR WHETHER UNIVERSITIES NATIONWIDE RACE AS A FACTOR IN ADMISSIONS, LOOKING AT RACE AS A FACTOR IN ADMISSIONS, LOOKING AT STUDENTS WHO APPLY, IN TEXAS, A IN ADMISSIONS, LOOKING AT STUDENTS WHO APPLY, IN TEXAS, A THE TOPNTARY PROGRAM TO STUDENTS WHO APPLY, IN TEXAS, A THE TOPNTARY PROGRAM TO 10 SITUATION WHERE THEY LET ALL THE TOPNTARY PROGRAM TO 10 SITUATION WHERE THEY LET ALL WHO'VE GONT IN- 10 SITUATION WHERE THEY LET ALL WHO'VE GONT IN- THE TOP 10% OF THEIR HIGH WHO'VE GONT IN- THE TOP 10% OF THEIR HIGH SCHOOLS GO TO THE FLAGSHIP THE TOP 10% OF THEIR HIGH SCHOOLS GO TO THE FLAGSHIP AT AUSTIN AND THE SCHOOLS GO TO THE FLAGSHIP AT AUSTIN AND THE SUPPLEMENTARY RACE PROGRAM.

AT AUSTIN AND THE SUPPLEMENTARY RACE PROGRAM.

BIG, BIG CASE, TESTING THE SUPPLEMENTARY RACE PROGRAM.

BIG, BIG CASE, TESTING THE DAY O'CONNOR WHO BIG, BIG CASE, TESTING THE DAY O'CONNOR WHO SAID RACE SHOULD BE USED AND DAY O'CONNOR WHO SAID RACE SHOULD BE USED AND SHE'S NO LONGER ON THE COURT SO SAID RACE SHOULD BE USED AND SHE'S NO LONGER ON THE COURT SO A REAL STRONG SHE'S NO LONGER ON THE COURT SO A REAL STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT AFFIRMATIVE A REAL STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT AFFIRMATIVE BACK.

WILL BE ROLLED POSSIBILITY THAT AFFIRMATIVE BACK.

WILL BE ROLLED GWEN: BRIEFLY.

BACK.

WILL BE ROLLED GWEN: BRIEFLY.

>> THE SAME SEX?

GWEN: BRIEFLY.

>> THE SAME SEX?

MARRIAGE, TWO BIG >> THE SAME SEX?

MARRIAGE, TWO BIG CASES, ONE TESTING PROPOSITION 8 MARRIAGE, TWO BIG CASES, ONE TESTING PROPOSITION 8 THE BANIFORNIA, WHETHER CASES, ONE TESTING PROPOSITION 8 THE BANIFORNIA, WHETHER ON SAME-SEXRE AND WOULD IT BE LL THE BANIFORNIA, WHETHER ON SAME-SEXRE AND WOULD IT BE LL WHETHER THEND ON SAME-SEXRE AND WOULD IT BE LL WHETHER THEND DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT WHICH WHETHER THEND DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT WHICH LIMITS FEDERAL BENEFITS FOR DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT WHICH LIMITS FEDERAL BENEFITS FOR THAT ARECOUPLES LIMITS FEDERAL BENEFITS FOR THAT ARECOUPLES MARRIED IN CASE THAT IS DO ALLOW THAT ARECOUPLES MARRIED IN CASE THAT IS DO ALLOW IT, WHETHER THAT'S MARRIED IN CASE THAT IS DO ALLOW IT, WHETHER THAT'S CONSTITUTIONAL.

IT, WHETHER THAT'S CONSTITUTIONAL.

GOOD.VERY CONSTITUTIONAL.

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