GWEN: EUROPE ON AGE.

RAN IN SLOUGH.

RAN IN SLOUGH.

2016 HOPEFULS JOCKEYING FOR 2016 HOPEFULS JOCKEYING FOR POSITION IN THE PRESIDENT'S POSITION IN THE PRESIDENT'S STATE OF THE UNION PRESALE.

STATE OF THE UNION PRESALE.

TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" -- TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" -- >> WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO >> WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP POWER EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP POWER SEEK THE JUSTICE THAT IS NEEDED.

SEEK THE JUSTICE THAT IS NEEDED.

GWEN: THE EUROPEAN TERROR GWEN: THE EUROPEAN TERROR ATTACKS CONTINUE TO REVERBERATE ATTACKS CONTINUE TO REVERBERATE AS THE U.S. AND OTHER NAONSTI GRAPPLE WITH THE BEST WAY TO GRAPPLE WITH THE BEST WAY TO STAY ON GUARD.

STAY ON GUARD.

>> WE HAVE TO BE ON THE OFFENSE >> WE HAVE TO BE ON THE OFFENSE AROUND THE WORLD AND KILL THEM AROUND THE WORLD AND KILL THEM OVER THERE BEFORE THEY HAVE A OVER THERE BEFORE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO KILL US HERE.

CHANCE TO KILL US HERE.

GWEN: A BREWING STANDOFF OVER GWEN: A BREWING STANDOFF OVER IRAN, BETWEEN CONGRESS AND THE IRAN, BETWEEN CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE AND ITS ALLIES.

WHITE HOUSE AND ITS ALLIES.

TO SANCTION OR NOT?

TO SANCTION OR NOT?

>> WE SHOULD NOT IMPOSE FURTHER >> WE SHOULD NOT IMPOSE FURTHER SANCTIONS NOW.

SANCTIONS NOW.

THAT WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE THAT WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AND IT COULD PUT AT RISK THE AND IT COULD PUT AT RISK THE VALUABLE INTERNATIONAL UNITY VALUABLE INTERNATIONAL UNITY THAT HAS BEEN SO CRUCIAL TO OUR THAT HAS BEEN SO CRUCIAL TO OUR APPROACH.

APPROACH.

GWEN: THE LEGALTY OF GAY GWEN: THE LEGALTY OF GAY MARRIAGE WILL NOW BE DECIDED BY MARRIAGE WILL NOW BE DECIDED BY THE SUPREME COURT.

THE SUPREME COURT.

CANDIDATES PEDDLE THEIR CANDIDATES PEDDLE THEIR POSSIBILITIES AND STEP UP THE POSSIBILITIES AND STEP UP THE 2016 TALK.

2016 TALK.

>> I SPEAK TO MEMBERS OF MY OWN >> I SPEAK TO MEMBERS OF MY OWN PARTY IN ASKING THAT YOU DO NOT PARTY IN ASKING THAT YOU DO NOT PLACE PURITY AHEAD OF UNITY.

PLACE PURITY AHEAD OF UNITY.

GWEN: PLUS, THE PRESIDENT HITS GWEN: PLUS, THE PRESIDENT HITS THE ROAD TO PROMOTE HIS LEGACY.

THE ROAD TO PROMOTE HIS LEGACY.

THIS WEEK'S "FRIDAY HE FOCUS" THIS WEEK'S "FRIDAY HE FOCUS" PREVIEW'S NEXT STATE OF THE PREVIEW'S NEXT STATE OF THE UNION ADREN.

UNION ADREN.

COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL DUFFY, EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF DUFFY, EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF "TIME" MAGAZINE.

"TIME" MAGAZINE.

TOM GJELTEN, NATIONAL SECURIT TOM GJELTEN, NATIONAL SECURIT EXPANDANT FOR NPR.

EXPANDANT FOR NPR.

JOAN BISKUPIC, LEGAL EDITOR FOR JOAN BISKUPIC, LEGAL EDITOR FOR REUTERS.

REUTERS.

ROBERT COSTA, POLITICAL REPORTER ROBERT COSTA, POLITICAL REPORTER FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST."

FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST."

AND JOHN HARWOOD, CHIEF AND JOHN HARWOOD, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDANT FOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDANT FOR NBC.

NBC.

>> AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND >> AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.

ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.

IFILL.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

GWEN: GOOD EVENING.

AFTER A FEW MISSTEPS, INCLUDING AFTER A FEW MISSTEPS, INCLUDING THE WHITE HOUSE DECISION NOT TO THE WHITE HOUSE DECISION NOT TO SEND A HIGHER-RANKING SEND A HIGHER-RANKING REPRESENTATIVE TO LAST WEEKEND'S REPRESENTATIVE TO LAST WEEKEND'S MASSIVE PARIS PEACE MARCH, THE MASSIVE PARIS PEACE MARCH, THE PRESIDENT JOINED WITH STAUNCH PRESIDENT JOINED WITH STAUNCH ALLIED BRITISH PRIME MINISTER ALLIED BRITISH PRIME MINISTER DAVID CAMERON TODAY TO PRESENT A DAVID CAMERON TODAY TO PRESENT A NITED FRONT.

NITED FRONT.

>> WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE WE DO >> WE OUGHT TO MAKE SURE WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP OUR EVERYTHING WE CAN TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE.

COUNTRY SAFE.

THAT MEANS CANTORING THIS THAT MEANS CANTORING THIS POISONOUS, FANATICAL DEATH CULT POISONOUS, FANATICAL DEATH CULT OF A NARRATIVE THAT IS OF A NARRATIVE THAT IS PERVERTING THE RELIGIONEN OF PERVERTING THE RELIGIONEN OF ISLAM.

ISLAM.

>> I DO NOT CONSIDER IT AN >> I DO NOT CONSIDER IT AN EXSTENL THREAT.

EXSTENL THREAT.

AS DAVID SAID, THIS IS ONE THAT AS DAVID SAID, THIS IS ONE THAT WE WILL SOLVE.

WE WILL SOLVE.

WE ARE STRONGER.

WE ARE STRONGER.

GWEN: THE PRESIDENT MADE THE GWEN: THE PRESIDENT MADE THE CASE TODAY THAT THE CHALLENGE IN CASE TODAY THAT THE CHALLENGE IN EUROPE IS A DIFFERENT ONE THAN EUROPE IS A DIFFERENT ONE THAN IT IS HERE IN THE U.S.

IT IS HERE IN THE U.S. HOW IS THAT SO, MICHAEL?

HOW IS THAT SO, MICHAEL?

>> HE DID SEEM TO DRAW THAT >> HE DID SEEM TO DRAW THAT DISTINCTION, GWEN.

DISTINCTION, GWEN.

IN ONE SENSE AT LEAST HE'S IN ONE SENSE AT LEAST HE'S RIGHT.

RIGHT.

THERE ARE PROBABLY 30 TIMES MORE THERE ARE PROBABLY 30 TIMES MORE JUST IN SHEER NUMBERS OF RETURN JUST IN SHEER NUMBERS OF RETURN JIHADIS IN WESTERN EUROPE THAN JIHADIS IN WESTERN EUROPE THAN THERE ARE IN THE UNITED STATES.

THERE ARE IN THE UNITED STATES.

WESTERN EUROPE, MOSTLY FRANCE, WESTERN EUROPE, MOSTLY FRANCE, U.K., GERMANY AND BELGIUM HAVE U.K., GERMANY AND BELGIUM HAVE ABOUT 5,000 MEN, MOSTLY MEN, WHO ABOUT 5,000 MEN, MOSTLY MEN, WHO HAVE RETURNED FROM THE MIDDLE HAVE RETURNED FROM THE MIDDLE EAST HAVING FOUGHT THERE, HAVING EAST HAVING FOUGHT THERE, HAVING BEEN TRAINED THERE AND NOW LIVE BEEN TRAINED THERE AND NOW LIVE IN WESTERN EUROPE.

IN WESTERN EUROPE.

WE HAVE MAYBE 150.

WE HAVE MAYBE 150.

THAT THREAT IS CLOSER.

THAT THREAT IS CLOSER.

IT'S MORE MIXED IN.

IT'S MORE MIXED IN.

BUT I THINK WITH THE ATTACKS BUT I THINK WITH THE ATTACKS OVER THE LAST WEEK IN PARIS, OVER THE LAST WEEK IN PARIS, LIKE THE ATTACKS IN OTTAWA, LIKE THE ATTACKS IN OTTAWA, CANADA, AUSTRALIA LAST YEAR HAVE CANADA, AUSTRALIA LAST YEAR HAVE PROVED IS THAT THE WEST IS PROVED IS THAT THE WEST IS UNITED IN ONE THING, AND THAT IS UNITED IN ONE THING, AND THAT IS A DECADE OR SO AFTER 9/11, A DECADE OR SO AFTER 9/11, THERE'S STILL NO REALLY COHERENT THERE'S STILL NO REALLY COHERENT OR SUCCESSFUL STRATEGY YET FOR OR SUCCESSFUL STRATEGY YET FOR DEALING WITH ISLAMIC TERROR DEALING WITH ISLAMIC TERROR WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE UNITED WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE UNITED STATES OR EUROPE.

STATES OR EUROPE.

WE HAVE TRIED MASSIVE MILITARY WE HAVE TRIED MASSIVE MILITARY INVASIONS AND THAT HASN'T WORKED INVASIONS AND THAT HASN'T WORKED VERY WELL.

VERY WELL.

WE TRIED TRILLION DOLLAR NATION WE TRIED TRILLION DOLLAR NATION BUILDING.

BUILDING.

AND THAT HAS BEEN FRUSTRATING.

AND THAT HAS BEEN FRUSTRATING.

WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN MUCH WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, ASSASSINATION LESS EXPENSIVE, ASSASSINATION AND CAMPAIGNS IN YEMEN AND AND CAMPAIGNS IN YEMEN AND ELSEWHERE, THAT HASN'T BEEN ALL ELSEWHERE, THAT HASN'T BEEN ALL THAT SATISFYING SO FAR AS WE SAW THAT SATISFYING SO FAR AS WE SAW IN PARIS.

IN PARIS.

AND WE ALSO PULLED OUT OF SOME AND WE ALSO PULLED OUT OF SOME PLACES AND CREATED VOIDS FOR PLACES AND CREATED VOIDS FOR TERRORIST GROUPS TO MOVE IN.

TERRORIST GROUPS TO MOVE IN.

WHILE THERE ARE UNITED TO SOME WHILE THERE ARE UNITED TO SOME EXTENT IN PURPOSE, THEY ALSO EXTENT IN PURPOSE, THEY ALSO SHARE THIS PROBLEM, WHICH IS SHARE THIS PROBLEM, WHICH IS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE THIS PUZZLE AND IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS PUZZLE AND IT'S CLEAR THAT THE PROBLEM CONTINUES TO GROW.

THE PROBLEM CONTINUES TO GROW.

>> THEY HAVEN'T SOLVED THE >> THEY HAVEN'T SOLVED THE LARGER PUZZLE BUT WHAT ABOUT A LARGER PUZZLE BUT WHAT ABOUT A WEEK LATER SOLVING WHAT HAPPENED WEEK LATER SOLVING WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

THERE.

ARE THEY ANY CLOSER TO KNOWING ARE THEY ANY CLOSER TO KNOWING WHO EXACTLY IS RESPONSIBLE?

WHO EXACTLY IS RESPONSIBLE?

>> WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING >> WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR TERRORIST RESPONSIBILITY FOR TERRORIST ATTACKS, THERE'S WHO CLAIMS ATTACKS, THERE'S WHO CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY -- RESPONSIBILITY -- >> AND WHO REALLY IS.

>> AND WHO REALLY IS.

>> AND WHO REALLY IS BECAUSE >> AND WHO REALLY IS BECAUSE THAT'S TRICKY HERE.

THAT'S TRICKY HERE.

WHILE BOTH SETS OF ATTACKERS IN WHILE BOTH SETS OF ATTACKERS IN THE SOCIAL MARKET AND MAGAZINE THE SOCIAL MARKET AND MAGAZINE HEADQUARTERS HAVE GIVEN CREDIT HEADQUARTERS HAVE GIVEN CREDIT TO DIFFERENT GROUPS IN IRAQ AND TO DIFFERENT GROUPS IN IRAQ AND IN YEMEN, IT'S NOT CLEAR THOSE IN YEMEN, IT'S NOT CLEAR THOSE GROUPS CLAIM, CLAIM THEM AS GROUPS CLAIM, CLAIM THEM AS ACTUAL MEMBERS.

ACTUAL MEMBERS.

IT MAY NOT MATTER.

IT MAY NOT MATTER.

THEY'RE JUST AS DEADLY WHETHER THEY'RE JUST AS DEADLY WHETHER THEY'RE FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OR THEY'RE FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS OR NOT.

NOT.

WHAT WE SAW IS THIS WEEK IS BOTH WHAT WE SAW IS THIS WEEK IS BOTH GROUPS SEEM TO CLAIM GROUPS SEEM TO CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY, THOUGH IT'S NOT RESPONSIBILITY, THOUGH IT'S NOT CLEAR THEY HAD ANY.

CLEAR THEY HAD ANY.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE OTTAWA >> YOU MENTIONED THE OTTAWA ATTACKS, WHICH PEOPLE NOW ATTACKS, WHICH PEOPLE NOW UNIFORMLY THINK WAS A LONE WOLF UNIFORMLY THINK WAS A LONE WOLF ATTACK.

ATTACK.

WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHETHER WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHETHER THE ATTACKS AND PLAN ATTACK IN THE ATTACKS AND PLAN ATTACK IN BELGIUM AND ATTACKS IN PARIS, BELGIUM AND ATTACKS IN PARIS, WERE THEY ALSO SINGLE CELL SORT WERE THEY ALSO SINGLE CELL SORT OF OPERATIONS, OR IS THERE A OF OPERATIONS, OR IS THERE A CONCERN NOW THERE MAY BE A WHOLE CONCERN NOW THERE MAY BE A WHOLE CAMPAIGN?

CAMPAIGN?

>> THAT WAS, OF COURSE, THE >> THAT WAS, OF COURSE, THE INITIAL CONCERN.

INITIAL CONCERN.

THERE WOULD BE A CAMPAIGN AND THERE WOULD BE A CAMPAIGN AND FOLLOW-ON SET OF THEM.

FOLLOW-ON SET OF THEM.

WHAT I THINK EMERGED THIS WEEK WHAT I THINK EMERGED THIS WEEK THAT IS WORTH NOTING IS THAT THAT IS WORTH NOTING IS THAT BOTH OF THE ATTACKS IN PARIS BOTH OF THE ATTACKS IN PARIS WERE VERY BY, VERY SMALL CELLS, WERE VERY BY, VERY SMALL CELLS, TWO PEOPLE EACH.

TWO PEOPLE EACH.

THOSE ARE THE HARDEST TO CRACK, THOSE ARE THE HARDEST TO CRACK, AS OPPOSED TO LONE WOLVES, WHICH AS OPPOSED TO LONE WOLVES, WHICH ARE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

ARE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

AND, OF COURSE, THERE'S ANOTHER AND, OF COURSE, THERE'S ANOTHER INTERESTING LINK THAT ONE OF THE INTERESTING LINK THAT ONE OF THE ATTACKS WAS BY TWO BROTHERS.

ATTACKS WAS BY TWO BROTHERS.

AND WE ALSO SAW IN THE BOSTON AND WE ALSO SAW IN THE BOSTON MARATHON ATTACK.

MARATHON ATTACK.

THIS IS ONE OF THE TIGHTEST MEN THIS IS ONE OF THE TIGHTEST MEN MOST MEN WILL EVER KNOW IF THEY MOST MEN WILL EVER KNOW IF THEY HAVE A BROTHER.

HAVE A BROTHER.

IT'S LIKE A COVEILANT BOND AND IT'S LIKE A COVEILANT BOND AND VERY DIFFICULT ONE FOR VERY DIFFICULT ONE FOR INVESTIGATORS OR PEOPLE INVOLVED INVESTIGATORS OR PEOPLE INVOLVED IN SURVEILLANCE OR LAW IN SURVEILLANCE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET INSIDE OF.

ENFORCEMENT TO GET INSIDE OF.

THAT'S ANOTHER WORRISOME DETAIL THAT'S ANOTHER WORRISOME DETAIL OF THESE -- CLEAR, AGAIN, A OF THESE -- CLEAR, AGAIN, A PATTERN.

PATTERN.

>> EARLIER TODAY WE SAW A UNITED >> EARLIER TODAY WE SAW A UNITED ANGLO AMERICAN ALLIANCE.

ANGLO AMERICAN ALLIANCE.

PRIME MINISTER CAMERON AND PRIME MINISTER CAMERON AND PRESIDENT OBAMA SPEAKING OUT PRESIDENT OBAMA SPEAKING OUT TOGETHER.

TOGETHER.

WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION IN WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION IN FRANCE FOR THE UNITED STATES FRANCE FOR THE UNITED STATES MOVING FORWARD?

MOVING FORWARD?

>> ONE OF THE THING WHEN'S THE >> ONE OF THE THING WHEN'S THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER WAS IN FRANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS HE IN FRANCE, ONE OF THE THINGS HE WAS TRYING TO SAY IS YOU HAVE TO WAS TRYING TO SAY IS YOU HAVE TO WORK HARDER AT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WORK HARDER AT LAW ENFORCEMENT.

YOU HAVE TO LOWER THE STANDARDS YOU HAVE TO LOWER THE STANDARDS BY WHICH YOU ARREST, DETAIN AND BY WHICH YOU ARREST, DETAIN AND QUESTION PEOPLE.

QUESTION PEOPLE.

WE ARE IN THE UNITED STATES, WE ARE IN THE UNITED STATES, THIS IS A DIFFERENCE ALSO, GWEN, THIS IS A DIFFERENCE ALSO, GWEN, WE'RE SUBJECTING PEOPLE TO VERY WE'RE SUBJECTING PEOPLE TO VERY LOW STANDARD.

LOW STANDARD.

MATERIAL SUPPORT OF TERRORISM MATERIAL SUPPORT OF TERRORISM CAN BE AS LITTLE IN THIS COUNTRY CAN BE AS LITTLE IN THIS COUNTRY AS BUYING A PLANE TICKET.

AS BUYING A PLANE TICKET.

THAT DOESN'T FLY IN EUROPEAN THAT DOESN'T FLY IN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND HOLDER WAS TRYING COUNTRIES AND HOLDER WAS TRYING TO GET THEM TO LOWER WHAT IT TO GET THEM TO LOWER WHAT IT TAKES TO BRING THEM IN TAKES TO BRING THEM IN ESSENTIALLY AND SWEAT THEM.

ESSENTIALLY AND SWEAT THEM.

FRANCE ALSO THIS WEEK CRACKED FRANCE ALSO THIS WEEK CRACKED DOWN ON INCENDIARY SPEECH.

DOWN ON INCENDIARY SPEECH.

BELGIUM LAUNCHED SOME RAIDS.

BELGIUM LAUNCHED SOME RAIDS.

OF COURSE, CAMERON WE HEARD SAY OF COURSE, CAMERON WE HEARD SAY WE WANT MORE SURVEILLANCE OF WE WANT MORE SURVEILLANCE OF WHAT GOES ON, ON THE INTERNET.

WHAT GOES ON, ON THE INTERNET.

GWEN: WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT GWEN: WE HEARD THE PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT SURVEILLANCE IN TALKING ABOUT SURVEILLANCE IN THIS ERA SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO THIS ERA SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THIS ROLL OUT.

SEE THIS ROLL OUT.

THERE WAS ANOTHER INTERESTING THERE WAS ANOTHER INTERESTING TOPIC THAT BUBBLED TO THE TOPIC THAT BUBBLED TO THE SURFACE AT TODAY'S OBAMA/CAMERON SURFACE AT TODAY'S OBAMA/CAMERON NEWS CONFERENCE, IRAN.

NEWS CONFERENCE, IRAN.

THE PRESIDENT IS PROMISING TO THE PRESIDENT IS PROMISING TO VETO ANY CONGRESSIONAL EFFORT TO VETO ANY CONGRESSIONAL EFFORT TO OPPOSE NEW SANCTIONS WHILE THE OPPOSE NEW SANCTIONS WHILE THE NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE ABOUT IRAN'S NUCLEAR AMBITIONS.

IRAN'S NUCLEAR AMBITIONS.

>> THE QUESTION I HAD FOR >> THE QUESTION I HAD FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, INCLUDING THOSE FOLKS IN MY OWN PARTY IS, THOSE FOLKS IN MY OWN PARTY IS, WHY IS IT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WHY IS IT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTIONS THAT MIGHT TAKE ACTIONS THAT MIGHT JEOPARDIZE THE POSSIBILITY OF JEOPARDIZE THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING A DEAL OVER THE NEXT 60, GETTING A DEAL OVER THE NEXT 60, 90 DAYS?

90 DAYS?

WHAT IS IT PRECISELY THAT IS WHAT IS IT PRECISELY THAT IS GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED?

GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED?

GWEN: AND BRITISH PRIME MINISTER GWEN: AND BRITISH PRIME MINISTER CAMERON HAS GONE SO FAR AS TO CAMERON HAS GONE SO FAR AS TO LOBBY LAWMAKERS ON CAPITOL HILL LOBBY LAWMAKERS ON CAPITOL HILL TODAY.

TODAY.

AND THE PRESIDENT SAID IF TALKS AND THE PRESIDENT SAID IF TALKS FAIL, HE WILL BE THE FIRST TO FAIL, HE WILL BE THE FIRST TO ASK CONGRESS TO, QUOTE, TIGHTEN ASK CONGRESS TO, QUOTE, TIGHTEN THE SCREWS.

THE SCREWS.

SO GIVEN ALL OF THAT, WHAT IS SO GIVEN ALL OF THAT, WHAT IS THE STATE OF THESE TALKS, TOM?

THE STATE OF THESE TALKS, TOM?

>> GWEN V. YOU HEARD THE >> GWEN V. YOU HEARD THE EXPRESSION MAKE OR BREAK?

EXPRESSION MAKE OR BREAK?

GWEN: YES.

GWEN: YES.

>> WE HAVE APPLIED IT BEFORE TO >> WE HAVE APPLIED IT BEFORE TO THESE TALKS.

THESE TALKS.

WE'RE NOW IN THE THIRD ROUND OF WE'RE NOW IN THE THIRD ROUND OF THESE TALKS, SECOND EXTENSION.

THESE TALKS, SECOND EXTENSION.

THERE WAS AN INTERIM AGREEMENT THERE WAS AN INTERIM AGREEMENT THAT WOULD LAST SIXONR FOUR THAT WOULD LAST SIXONR FOUR MONTHS.

MONTHS.

NOW WE'RE IN THE SEVEN-MONTH NOW WE'RE IN THE SEVEN-MONTH EXTENSION.

EXTENSION.

BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS BASICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT ONE, THERE'S NO SIGN OF THAT ONE, THERE'S NO SIGN OF PROGRESS.

PROGRESS.

BOTH THE IRANIAN AND THE BOTH THE IRANIAN AND THE AMERICAN AND BRITISH OFFICIALS AMERICAN AND BRITISH OFFICIALS ARE NOW SAYING THEY CAN'T REPORT ARE NOW SAYING THEY CAN'T REPORT THAT ANY PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.

THAT ANY PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE.

AND AS YOU SAY, CONGRESS HAS AND AS YOU SAY, CONGRESS HAS JUST FINALLY FED UP WITH THESE JUST FINALLY FED UP WITH THESE EXTENSIONS, NO SIGN OF PROGRESS EXTENSIONS, NO SIGN OF PROGRESS AND SAYING BASICALLY WE'RE GOING AND SAYING BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE MATTERS INTO OUR OWN TO TAKE MATTERS INTO OUR OWN HANDS.

HANDS.

WE'RE GOING TO -- WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO -- WE'RE GOING TO DRAFT SANCTIONS THAT WILL TAKE DRAFT SANCTIONS THAT WILL TAKE EFFECT, THAT WILL GIVE YOU MORE EFFECT, THAT WILL GIVE YOU MORE LEVERAGE BECAUSE NOW THE LEVERAGE BECAUSE NOW THE IRANIANS ARE GOING TO KNOW IF IRANIANS ARE GOING TO KNOW IF THESE TALKS FAIL, THERE WILL BE THESE TALKS FAIL, THERE WILL BE A NEW SET OF SANCTIONS COMING ON A NEW SET OF SANCTIONS COMING ON THEM.

THEM.

THAT'S THE BACKGROUND TO IT.

THAT'S THE BACKGROUND TO IT.

GWEN: THEY MUST THINK ON SOME GWEN: THEY MUST THINK ON SOME LEVEL CONGRESS IS ON THE VERGE LEVEL CONGRESS IS ON THE VERGE OF DOING SOMETHING, WHAT THEY OF DOING SOMETHING, WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE DANGEROUS HERE.

CONSIDER TO BE DANGEROUS HERE.

>> CONGRESS IS DEFINITELY ON THE >> CONGRESS IS DEFINITELY ON THE VERGE OF DOING SOMETHING.

VERGE OF DOING SOMETHING.

WE HAD -- WE HAD A MAJORITY OF WE HAD -- WE HAD A MAJORITY OF MEMBERS LAST YEAR READY TO VOTE MEMBERS LAST YEAR READY TO VOTE FOR SANCTIONS.

FOR SANCTIONS.

NOW WE HAVE NEW REPUBLICANS IN NOW WE HAVE NEW REPUBLICANS IN WHO HAVE REPLACED DEMOCRATS.

WHO HAVE REPLACED DEMOCRATS.

FIRST WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FIRST WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING SOME PRETTY DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING SOME PRETTY LEADING MEMBERS AS THE PRESIDENT LEADING MEMBERS AS THE PRESIDENT SAID OF HIS OWN PARTY.

SAID OF HIS OWN PARTY.

SO THE LATEST VOTE TOTALS, WHICH SO THE LATEST VOTE TOTALS, WHICH SUGGEST ACTUALLY YOU COULD GET SUGGEST ACTUALLY YOU COULD GET SANCTIONS BEING APPROVED IN THE SANCTIONS BEING APPROVED IN THE SENATE AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK.

SENATE AS EARLY AS NEXT WEEK.

>> DID THIS -- BUT DID TODAY >> DID THIS -- BUT DID TODAY CHANGE ANYTHING?

CHANGE ANYTHING?

I KNOW IT'S EARLY.

I KNOW IT'S EARLY.

WE'RE JUST IN THIS EVENING BUT WE'RE JUST IN THIS EVENING BUT THIS KIND OF TOUGH TALK FROM THIS KIND OF TOUGH TALK FROM DAVID CAMERON AND THE PRESIDENT.

DAVID CAMERON AND THE PRESIDENT.

>> THIS WAS EXTRAORDINARY, JOAN.

>> THIS WAS EXTRAORDINARY, JOAN.

YOU HAD THE LEADER OF ANOTHER YOU HAD THE LEADER OF ANOTHER COUNTRY STANDING UP THERE FOR AN COUNTRY STANDING UP THERE FOR AN HOUR NEXT TO THE PRESIDENT AND HOUR NEXT TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAYING YEAH, I CALLED A COUPLE SAYING YEAH, I CALLED A COUPLE SENATORS, AND WEIGHED IN ON IT.

SENATORS, AND WEIGHED IN ON IT.

HE'S WEIGHING IN ON WHAT'S HE'S WEIGHING IN ON WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY DOMESTIC POLICY.

ESSENTIALLY DOMESTIC POLICY.

AS THEY REALLY, REALLY DON'T AS THEY REALLY, REALLY DON'T WANT THIS SANCTION LEGISLATION WANT THIS SANCTION LEGISLATION PASSED.

PASSED.

NOW, YOU ASK IS IT GOING TO MAKE NOW, YOU ASK IS IT GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

A DIFFERENCE?

IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE I IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE I THINK WITH SOME DEMOCRATS.

THINK WITH SOME DEMOCRATS.

I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY WITH I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY WITH REPUBLICANS IT'S GOING TO MAKE A REPUBLICANS IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

DIFFERENCE.

WE HAD A VERY INTERESTING AND WE HAD A VERY INTERESTING AND TELLING COMMENT THIS WEEK FROM TELLING COMMENT THIS WEEK FROM TOM COULDN'TEN, NEW SENATOR FROM TOM COULDN'TEN, NEW SENATOR FROM ARKANSAS, WHO BASICALLY SAID WE ARKANSAS, WHO BASICALLY SAID WE DON'T CARE IF THIS TORPEDOS THE DON'T CARE IF THIS TORPEDOS THE NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE THE NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE THE INTENDED CONSEQUENCE IS TO INTENDED CONSEQUENCE IS TO TORPEDO THE NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE TORPEDO THE NEGOTIATIONS BECAUSE WE THINK THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE WE THINK THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE WRONG-HEADED BASICALLY.

WRONG-HEADED BASICALLY.

>> YOPPED HAVING PRIME MINISTER >> YOPPED HAVING PRIME MINISTER CAMERON CALL A FEW SENATORS, WHY CAMERON CALL A FEW SENATORS, WHY IS THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THIS IS THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THIS WHITE HOUSE GOING TO FIND THE WHITE HOUSE GOING TO FIND THE POLITICAL CAPITAL TO GET THIS POLITICAL CAPITAL TO GET THIS THROUGH?

THROUGH?

>> POLITICAL CAPITAL?

>> POLITICAL CAPITAL?

YOU MEAN AS FAR AS -- YOU MEAN AS FAR AS -- >> THE CONGRESS.

>> THE CONGRESS.

>> WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND, >> WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CALL THIS A THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CALL THIS A TREATY.

TREATY.

IF THEY DO GET AN AGREEMENT, IF THEY DO GET AN AGREEMENT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CALL IT A THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CALL IT A TREATY.

TREATY.

IF IT'S A TREATY, THEY HAVE TO IF IT'S A TREATY, THEY HAVE TO GET IT CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE.

GET IT CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE.

THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT A THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT A TREATY.

TREATY.

THEY'RE HOPING THEY CAN JUST THEY'RE HOPING THEY CAN JUST BYPASS CONGRESS AND WHEN IT BYPASS CONGRESS AND WHEN IT COMES TO LIFTING SANCTIONS, COMES TO LIFTING SANCTIONS, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST PART OF WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE AGREEMENT, WE CAN SEE SOMETHING AGREEMENT, WE CAN SEE SOMETHING VERY MUCH LIKE THE PRESIDENT VERY MUCH LIKE THE PRESIDENT DONE WITH CUBA.

DONE WITH CUBA.

EXECUTIVE ACTIONS THAT LIFT A EXECUTIVE ACTIONS THAT LIFT A LOT OF SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN.

LOT OF SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN.

AS YOU IMPLY, THERE'S NOT AS YOU IMPLY, THERE'S NOT SUPPORT IN CONGRESS FOR LIFTING SUPPORT IN CONGRESS FOR LIFTING THOSE SANCTIONS SO THE THOSE SANCTIONS SO THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE TO DO ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE TO DO THIS UNILATERALLY REALLY.

THIS UNILATERALLY REALLY.

>> TOM, DOES THEIR NERVOUSNESS >> TOM, DOES THEIR NERVOUSNESS ABOUT SANCTIONS SUGGEST TO YOU ABOUT SANCTIONS SUGGEST TO YOU THAT TALKS ARE CLOSE TO SOME THAT TALKS ARE CLOSE TO SOME KIND OF A BREAKTHROUGH THAT THEY KIND OF A BREAKTHROUGH THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HUP-END OR IN SUCH DON'T WANT TO HUP-END OR IN SUCH BAD SHAPE THAT THAT WOULD SIMPLY BAD SHAPE THAT THAT WOULD SIMPLY END THEM COMPLETELY END THEM COMPLETELY GWEN: AND IT'S NOT UNIMPORTANT GWEN: AND IT'S NOT UNIMPORTANT JOHN KERRY WAS TODAY IN PARIS JOHN KERRY WAS TODAY IN PARIS MEETING WITH HIS COUNTERPART.

MEETING WITH HIS COUNTERPART.

>> HE HAD AN EIGHT-HOUR MEETING >> HE HAD AN EIGHT-HOUR MEETING WITH THE IRANIAN FOREIGN WITH THE IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER.

MINISTER.

SO THERE'S CERTA SO THERE'S CERTA ON.

ON.

THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER MEETING IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

MEETING IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.

THEY SAY THE DARKEST HOUR IS THEY SAY THE DARKEST HOUR IS JUST BEFORE DAWN, AND BOTH SIDES JUST BEFORE DAWN, AND BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN VERY TIGHT-LIPPED HAVE BEEN VERY TIGHT-LIPPED ABOUT THIS SO THE FACT THEY SAY ABOUT THIS SO THE FACT THEY SAY NO ROGGE RESS HAS BEEN MADE, YOU NO ROGGE RESS HAS BEEN MADE, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS?

KNOW, WHO KNOWS?

>> IS THERE ANY INCENTIVE FOR >> IS THERE ANY INCENTIVE FOR IRAN TO COOPERATE ON THIS?

IRAN TO COOPERATE ON THIS?

>> SANCTIONS HAD BEEN TERRIBLE >> SANCTIONS HAD BEEN TERRIBLE FOR THE IRANIAN ECONOMY.

FOR THE IRANIAN ECONOMY.

IF THEY COULD GET SANCTIONS IF THEY COULD GET SANCTIONS RELIEF, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

RELIEF, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THE SPREERT BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THE SPREERT LEADER THIS WEEK TWEETED HIS LEADER THIS WEEK TWEETED HIS RECENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE RECENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEW YEAR, MAKE THE COUNTRY NEW YEAR, MAKE THE COUNTRY IMMUNE TO SANCTIONS, PAY IMMUNE TO SANCTIONS, PAY ATTENTION TO THE GOALS BEHIND ATTENTION TO THE GOALS BEHIND THE ENEMY, RELY ON DOMESTIC THE ENEMY, RELY ON DOMESTIC POWER.

POWER.

DOESN'T SEEM LIKE HE SEES MUCH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE HE SEES MUCH OF AN ADVANTAGE THERE.

OF AN ADVANTAGE THERE.

GWEN: WE WILL WAIT AND SEE.

GWEN: WE WILL WAIT AND SEE.

BIG NEWS TODAY FROM THE SUPREME BIG NEWS TODAY FROM THE SUPREME COURT WHERE THE JUSTICES AGREE COURT WHERE THE JUSTICES AGREE TO HEAR NOT ONE, NOT TWO BUT TO HEAR NOT ONE, NOT TWO BUT FOUR CHALLENGES TO GAY MARRIAGE FOUR CHALLENGES TO GAY MARRIAGE BANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

BANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THIS IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL THIS IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEBATE BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN DEBATE BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR, ISN'T IT, JOAN?

WAITING FOR, ISN'T IT, JOAN?

>> YES, WE WERE SO ANXIOUSLY >> YES, WE WERE SO ANXIOUSLY AWAITING IT.

AWAITING IT.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD EVEN COME IN WE THOUGHT IT WOULD EVEN COME IN OCTOBER.

OCTOBER.

BUT THEY DID.

BUT THEY DID.

TODAY THE JUSTICES SAID THEY TODAY THE JUSTICES SAID THEY WOULD HEAR THIS CASE IN APRIL WOULD HEAR THIS CASE IN APRIL WITH THE DECISION LIKELY BY THE WITH THE DECISION LIKELY BY THE END OF JUNE.

END OF JUNE.

TWO BIG QUESTIONS, ONE IS, DOES TWO BIG QUESTIONS, ONE IS, DOES THE CONSTITUTION PROTECT THE THE CONSTITUTION PROTECT THE NATIONWIDE RIGHT TO GAY NATIONWIDE RIGHT TO GAY MARRIAGE?

MARRIAGE?

SECOND QUESTION IS, IF A STATE SECOND QUESTION IS, IF A STATE STILL IS ALLOWED TO BAN GAY STILL IS ALLOWED TO BAN GAY MARRIAGE OR ITS OWN PEOPLE, MUST MARRIAGE OR ITS OWN PEOPLE, MUST IT RECOGNIZE A GAY MARRIAGE FROM IT RECOGNIZE A GAY MARRIAGE FROM ANOTHER STATE WHEN THOSE PEOPLE ANOTHER STATE WHEN THOSE PEOPLE MOVE IN?

MOVE IN?

SO TWO QUESTIONS GOING TO BE AN SO TWO QUESTIONS GOING TO BE AN EXTRAORDINARY SET OF ARGUMENTS EXTRAORDINARY SET OF ARGUMENTS IN APRIL WITH A CASE FROM THE IN APRIL WITH A CASE FROM THE MIDWEST INVOLVING STATE BANS IN MIDWEST INVOLVING STATE BANS IN OHIO, MICHIGAN, TENNESSEE AND OHIO, MICHIGAN, TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY.

KENTUCKY.

THAT'S WHERE REGIONAL CORPORATE THAT'S WHERE REGIONAL CORPORATE OF APPEALS, SIXTH CIRCUIT, OF APPEALS, SIXTH CIRCUIT, UPHELD THOSE BANS SAYING NO, I'M UPHELD THOSE BANS SAYING NO, I'M GOING TO SEPARATE -- THIS COURT GOING TO SEPARATE -- THIS COURT DECIDED TO SEPARATE ITSELF FROM DECIDED TO SEPARATE ITSELF FROM ALL OF THE OTHER COURTS THAT HAD ALL OF THE OTHER COURTS THAT HAD BEEN RULING IN THIS AREA TO SAY BEEN RULING IN THIS AREA TO SAY NO, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A CLEAR NO, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN A CLEAR SIGNAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT SIGNAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT AND THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AND THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT MARRIAGE LAWS WE'RE GOING TO MARRIAGE LAWS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RESTS WITH THE STATE, NOT HAVE RESTS WITH THE STATE, NOT WITH COURTS.

WITH COURTS.

>> 36 STATES HAVE OKED SAME-SEX >> 36 STATES HAVE OKED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

MARRIAGE.

AND THERE'S THE OLD RELIABLE AND THERE'S THE OLD RELIABLE CHESTNUT THAT SAID THE SUPREME CHESTNUT THAT SAID THE SUPREME COURT IS A LAGGING INDICATOR IN COURT IS A LAGGING INDICATOR IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

AMERICAN POLITICS.

IS IT A DONE DEAL?

IS IT A DONE DEAL?

ARE THEY ABSOLUTELY GOING TO ARE THEY ABSOLUTELY GOING TO COME THROUGH AND DO THIS OR ARE COME THROUGH AND DO THIS OR ARE WE GOING TO BE SURPRISED?

WE GOING TO BE SURPRISED?

NOT THAT YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.

NOT THAT YOU KNOW THE ANSWER.

OR DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER?

OR DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER?

>> AND JUST NOT TELL US.

>> AND JUST NOT TELL US.

>> TWO THINGS, FIRST OF ALL IN >> TWO THINGS, FIRST OF ALL IN OCTOBER WHEN THEY DIDN'T TAKE OCTOBER WHEN THEY DIDN'T TAKE IT, ONLY 19 STATES ALLOWED IT, ONLY 19 STATES ALLOWED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AT THAT POINT.

SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AT THAT POINT.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE HAD THIS GROWING OVERALL WE HAD THIS GROWING OVERALL ANTHEM BUT NOW WE HAVE THE SPLIT ANTHEM BUT NOW WE HAVE THE SPLIT IN THE CIRCUIT TOO.

IN THE CIRCUIT TOO.

THOSE ARE TWO REASONS WHY THE THOSE ARE TWO REASONS WHY THE JUSTICELESS WEIGH IN.

JUSTICELESS WEIGH IN.

I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S INEVITABLE.

INEVITABLE.

I DON'T LIKE TO, REALLY PREDICT I DON'T LIKE TO, REALLY PREDICT IN A HARD-CORE WAY ON THIS COURT IN A HARD-CORE WAY ON THIS COURT BECAUSE IT CAN SURPRISE IN THE BECAUSE IT CAN SURPRISE IN THE END BUT YOU HAVE GOT UT JUSTICE END BUT YOU HAVE GOT UT JUSTICE KENNEDY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE KENNEDY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AVING ISSUED A SERIES OF AVING ISSUED A SERIES OF RULINGS OVER NEARLY 20 YEARS ALL RULINGS OVER NEARLY 20 YEARS ALL THAT SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS.

THAT SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS.

YOU HAVE 36 STATES NOW.

YOU HAVE 36 STATES NOW.

REALLY, IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW YOU REALLY, IRRESPECTIVE OF HOW YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE, MIGHT THINK ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE, THERE IS THIS CONFLICT IN THE THERE IS THIS CONFLICT IN THE NATION THAT THE JUSTICES HAVE TO NATION THAT THE JUSTICES HAVE TO RESOLVE AND IF THEY GO THE RESOLVE AND IF THEY GO THE OPPOSITE WAY, IT WILL BE TRYING OPPOSITE WAY, IT WILL BE TRYING TO REVERSE A REAL SEAT CHANGE.

TO REVERSE A REAL SEAT CHANGE.

>> JOAN, YOU COVERED THE SUPREME >> JOAN, YOU COVERED THE SUPREME COURTS FOR SO LONG, TO WHAT COURTS FOR SO LONG, TO WHAT EXTENT ARE THEY INFLUENCED BY EXTENT ARE THEY INFLUENCED BY POPULAR SENTIMENT?

POPULAR SENTIMENT?

IT DOES SEEM TO BE KIND OF A IT DOES SEEM TO BE KIND OF A GROWING FEELING IN THIS COUNTRY GROWING FEELING IN THIS COUNTRY MAYBE GAY MARRIAGE IS OK. MAYBE GAY MARRIAGE IS OK.

DOES THAT WEIGH INTO THEIR DOES THAT WEIGH INTO THEIR CONSIDERATIONS?

CONSIDERATIONS?

>> IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO.

>> IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO.

>> I KNOW.

>> I KNOW.

>> OF COURSE THEY DO.

>> OF COURSE THEY DO.

THEY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THE THEY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THE STATES ARE DOING.

STATES ARE DOING.

IN MANY RULINGS THEY WILL SAY IN MANY RULINGS THEY WILL SAY HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE STATES.

STATES.

THAT MATTERS TO THEM.

THAT MATTERS TO THEM.

THEY CAN POINT TO THAT.

THEY CAN POINT TO THAT.

I'M SURE, THEY'RE NINE HUMAN I'M SURE, THEY'RE NINE HUMAN BEINGS.

BEINGS.

THEY'RE OUT IN THE WORLD.

THEY'RE OUT IN THE WORLD.

THEY KNOW WHAT'S KENNEDY HIMSEL THEY KNOW WHAT'S KENNEDY HIMSEL WRITTEN ABOUT THE EVOLVING WRITTEN ABOUT THE EVOLVING UNDERSTANDING FOR EQUALITY FOR UNDERSTANDING FOR EQUALITY FOR GAY MEN AND WOMEN.

GAY MEN AND WOMEN.

EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD BE BASING EVEN THOUGH THEY WOULD BE BASING THEIR DECISION ON LEGAL THEIR DECISION ON LEGAL PRECEDENT, THEY WOULD ALSO BE PRECEDENT, THEY WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING TO THE LARGER, CULTURE LOOKING TO THE LARGER, CULTURE SOCIAL SHIFTS THAT NATURALLY SOCIAL SHIFTS THAT NATURALLY WORK THEIR WAY IN.

WORK THEIR WAY IN.

>> BEYOND JUSTICE KENNEDY, WHO >> BEYOND JUSTICE KENNEDY, WHO ELSE SHOULD WE BE PAYING ELSE SHOULD WE BE PAYING ATTENTION TO ON THE COURT?

ATTENTION TO ON THE COURT?

WHO COULD BE A SWING VOTE HERE?

WHO COULD BE A SWING VOTE HERE?

I WONDER ABOUT JUSTICE ROBERTS.

I WONDER ABOUT JUSTICE ROBERTS.

>> THIS QUESTION WOULD PLAY INTO >> THIS QUESTION WOULD PLAY INTO THAT.

THAT.

THE LAST TIME WE SAW THE GAY THE LAST TIME WE SAW THE GAY MARRIAGE DISPUTE VERSION, A MARRIAGE DISPUTE VERSION, A MODEST VERSION OF WHAT WE HAVE MODEST VERSION OF WHAT WE HAVE GOT NOW IN 2013, JUSTICE KENNEDY GOT NOW IN 2013, JUSTICE KENNEDY WAS WITH THE FOUR LIBERALS.

WAS WITH THE FOUR LIBERALS.

CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS WAS CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS WAS WITH THE CONSERVATIVES SAYING WITH THE CONSERVATIVES SAYING NO, WE WANT TO UPHOLD THE NO, WE WANT TO UPHOLD THE FEDERAL LAW THAT SAID MARRIAGE FEDERAL LAW THAT SAID MARRIAGE SHOULD BE DEFINED AS BETWEEN A SHOULD BE DEFINED AS BETWEEN A MAN AND WOMAN FOR PURPOSES OF MAN AND WOMAN FOR PURPOSES OF FEDERAL BENEFITS.

FEDERAL BENEFITS.

BUT CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS BUT CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS HAS SURPRISED US BEFORE.

HAS SURPRISED US BEFORE.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE OBAMA-SPONSORED HEALTH CARE LAW.

OBAMA-SPONSORED HEALTH CARE LAW.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A CHANCE THAT CAN HE GO TO THE CHANCE THAT CAN HE GO TO THE OTHER SIDE BUT, ROBERT, IT WON'T OTHER SIDE BUT, ROBERT, IT WON'T MATTER.

MATTER.

THEY JUST NEED FIVE.

THEY JUST NEED FIVE.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE RARE CASES >> THIS IS ONE OF THE RARE CASES WHERE BOTH SIDES WANTED THE WHERE BOTH SIDES WANTED THE COURT TO TAKE THIS UP.

COURT TO TAKE THIS UP.

ADVOCATES FOR AND AGAINST.

ADVOCATES FOR AND AGAINST.

>> ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE FIRST OF >> ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, YOU'VE GOT TO DISCREPANCY ALL, YOU'VE GOT TO DISCREPANCY OUT THERE FOR WHAT IS THE RIGHT OUT THERE FOR WHAT IS THE RIGHT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET MARRIED BUT THEN FOR PEOPLE WHO MARRIED BUT THEN FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THE RIGHT, THEY SAY DON'T WANT THE RIGHT, THEY SAY THESE LOWER FEDERAL COURTS ARE THESE LOWER FEDERAL COURTS ARE NOW OCCUPYING THE FIELD.

NOW OCCUPYING THE FIELD.

THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DICTATE THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MAJORITY OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MAJORITY OF THE STATES.

THE STATES.

THE SUPREME COURT SHOULD COME IN THE SUPREME COURT SHOULD COME IN AND SET THEM STRAIGHT.

AND SET THEM STRAIGHT.

GWEN: WE HAVE SO MUCH ELSE TO GWEN: WE HAVE SO MUCH ELSE TO COVER TONIGHT.

COVER TONIGHT.

LET'S JUST KEEP GOING.

LET'S JUST KEEP GOING.

ELBOWS ARE BEING THROWN, STAFF ELBOWS ARE BEING THROWN, STAFF IS BEING HIRED AND THE 2016 IS BEING HIRED AND THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL SEASON HAS BEGUN.

PRESIDENTIAL SEASON HAS BEGUN.

AT LEAST IT HAS FOR REPUBLICANS.

AT LEAST IT HAS FOR REPUBLICANS.

EVERY PUNCH GETS A COUNTERPUNCH.

EVERY PUNCH GETS A COUNTERPUNCH.

EVERY EXPRESSION OF INTEREST, EVERY EXPRESSION OF INTEREST, UNLESS IT'S A SERIOUSLY UNLESS IT'S A SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING EVERY STATE OF STATE CONSIDERING EVERY STATE OF STATE SPEECH BECOMES A TEST RUN.

SPEECH BECOMES A TEST RUN.

>> AS I TRAVELED THE COUNTRY >> AS I TRAVELED THE COUNTRY OVER THE LAST YEAR, YOU MAY HAVE OVER THE LAST YEAR, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT.

HEARD ABOUT THAT.

TRAVELED A LITTLE BIT AROUND THE TRAVELED A LITTLE BIT AROUND THE COUNTRY IN THE LAST YEAR.

COUNTRY IN THE LAST YEAR.

THIS ANXIETY WAS THE MOST THIS ANXIETY WAS THE MOST PALPABLE EMOTION THAT I SAW AND PALPABLE EMOTION THAT I SAW AND FELT.

FELT.

MORE THAN ANGER, MORE THAN FEAR MORE THAN ANGER, MORE THAN FEAR -- ANXIETY.

-- ANXIETY.

GWEN: PARTY MEMBERS MEETING GWEN: PARTY MEMBERS MEETING TONIGHT AS WE SPEAK HERE ON THE TONIGHT AS WE SPEAK HERE ON THE EAST COAST IN CALIFORNIA, WITH EAST COAST IN CALIFORNIA, WITH THEIR ANNUAL MEETING, HOW ARE THEIR ANNUAL MEETING, HOW ARE THINGS SHAKING OUT?

THINGS SHAKING OUT?

>> WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS A >> WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS A GENERATIONAL DIVIDE IN THE GENERATIONAL DIVIDE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AND IT'S A SURPRISING TURN OF AND IT'S A SURPRISING TURN OF EVENTS.

EVENTS.

IF YOU SAID A YEAR AGO WE WOULD IF YOU SAID A YEAR AGO WE WOULD HAVE JEB BUSH, MIKE ROMNEY AND HAVE JEB BUSH, MIKE ROMNEY AND MIKE HUCKABEE -- MIKE HUCKABEE -- GWEN: SIX MONTHS AGO.

GWEN: SIX MONTHS AGO.

A MONTH AGO.

A MONTH AGO.

YEAH.

YEAH.

>> THEY'RE ALL IN OR LEANING >> THEY'RE ALL IN OR LEANING TOWARDS 2016 AND THAT'S REALLY TOWARDS 2016 AND THAT'S REALLY SHAKING EVERYTHING UP.

SHAKING EVERYTHING UP.

THE YOUNGER CROP OF SENATORS AND THE YOUNGER CROP OF SENATORS AND GOVERNORS, SCOTT WALKER, TED GOVERNORS, SCOTT WALKER, TED CRUZ, RAND PAUL, THEY'RE ALL CRUZ, RAND PAUL, THEY'RE ALL LOOKING FOR OX JEP.

LOOKING FOR OX JEP.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MOUNT THEIR THEY'RE TRYING TO MOUNT THEIR FIRST NATIONAL CAMPAIGNS.

FIRST NATIONAL CAMPAIGNS.

YET YOU STILL HAVE THESE PAST YET YOU STILL HAVE THESE PAST FIGURES WHO ARE REAL PARTY FIGURES WHO ARE REAL PARTY HEAVYWEIGHTS TRYING TO COME BACK HEAVYWEIGHTS TRYING TO COME BACK AND RUN AGAIN.

AND RUN AGAIN.

GWEN: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PARTY GWEN: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PARTY HEAVYWEIGHTS, LET'S GO RIGHT TO HEAVYWEIGHTS, LET'S GO RIGHT TO MITT ROMNEY.

MITT ROMNEY.

WHAT IS STRATEGY FOR SOMEBODY WHAT IS STRATEGY FOR SOMEBODY WITH THAT HIGH OF A NAME WITH THAT HIGH OF A NAME RECOGNITION AND LAST SEEN WAS RECOGNITION AND LAST SEEN WAS PRETTY SOUNDLY DEFEATED.

PRETTY SOUNDLY DEFEATED.

>> SPEAKING WITH HIS ADVISERS >> SPEAKING WITH HIS ADVISERS TONIGHT, THEY FEEL CONFIDENT TONIGHT, THEY FEEL CONFIDENT THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN A RICK OF A THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN A RICK OF A ROCKY ROLL-OUT, NOT EVERYONE IN ROCKY ROLL-OUT, NOT EVERYONE IN THE PARTY HAS EMBRACED ROMNEY'S THE PARTY HAS EMBRACED ROMNEY'S POSSIBLE RETURN TO THE STAGE, POSSIBLE RETURN TO THE STAGE, THEY FEEL WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE THEY FEEL WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE NATIONAL POLLS, THEY ARE NATIONAL POLLS, THEY ARE COMPETITIVE WITH SECRETARY COMPETITIVE WITH SECRETARY CLINTON AND THEY FEEL IN THE CLINTON AND THEY FEEL IN THE LONG RACE, THEY CAN STILL WIN LONG RACE, THEY CAN STILL WIN THE NOMINATION.

THE NOMINATION.

>> HOW MUCH ROMNEY IF HE IS FOR >> HOW MUCH ROMNEY IF HE IS FOR REAL -- AND I THINK A WEEK AGO REAL -- AND I THINK A WEEK AGO MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE NOT MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE NOT THOUGHT HE ISN'T A WEEK LATER THOUGHT HE ISN'T A WEEK LATER THINK HE IS, HOW MUCH IS JUST THINK HE IS, HOW MUCH IS JUST ABOUT HIS FEELING HE WOULD BE ABOUT HIS FEELING HE WOULD BE BETTER THAN JEB BUSH?

BETTER THAN JEB BUSH?

>> THERE IS CERTAINLY A RIVALRY >> THERE IS CERTAINLY A RIVALRY BETWEEN THESE TWO MAJOR CLANS IN BETWEEN THESE TWO MAJOR CLANS IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

AMERICAN POLITICS.

THE HOUSE OF BUSH, ROMNEY, OF THE HOUSE OF BUSH, ROMNEY, OF COURSE, HIS FATHER RAN IN '68.

COURSE, HIS FATHER RAN IN '68.

ROMNEY FEELS HE HAS A LEGACY FOR ROMNEY FEELS HE HAS A LEGACY FOR HIS FAMILY.

HIS FAMILY.

HE ALSO BELIEVES HE CAN BE HE ALSO BELIEVES HE CAN BE BETTER THAN BUSH.

BETTER THAN BUSH.

HE THINKS BUSH HAS REAL YOU HAVE HE THINKS BUSH HAS REAL YOU HAVE NERBLETS ON COMMON CORE NERBLETS ON COMMON CORE EDUCATION STANDARDS AND EDUCATION STANDARDS AND IMMIGRATION.

IMMIGRATION.

AND IF ROMNEY DOES RUN AND AND IF ROMNEY DOES RUN AND FORMALLY RUN, I HEAR HE'S GOING FORMALLY RUN, I HEAR HE'S GOING TO RUN AS PROUD REPUBLICAN, TO RUN AS PROUD REPUBLICAN, SOMEBODY NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE SOMEBODY NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE PARTY MANTRA AND EDUCATION OR PARTY MANTRA AND EDUCATION OR IMMIGRATION.

IMMIGRATION.

>> WHAT ABOUT REVERBERATIONS >> WHAT ABOUT REVERBERATIONS WITH THE OTHER CANDIDATES?

WITH THE OTHER CANDIDATES?

LIKE GOVERNOR CHRISTIE?

LIKE GOVERNOR CHRISTIE?

WHAT KIND OF REACTIONS DO YOU WHAT KIND OF REACTIONS DO YOU THINK THIS IS CAUSING AMONG THE THINK THIS IS CAUSING AMONG THE ONES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE ONES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE MORE POSITIONED?

MORE POSITIONED?

>> SO A LOT OF THEM HAD WANTED >> SO A LOT OF THEM HAD WANTED TO WAIT MONTHS TO MAYBE THINK TO WAIT MONTHS TO MAYBE THINK ABOUT RUNNING AND LAUNCHING A ABOUT RUNNING AND LAUNCHING A CAMPAIGN IN THE SPRING.

CAMPAIGN IN THE SPRING.

THIS HAS SPED EVERYTHING UP.

THIS HAS SPED EVERYTHING UP.

HUCKABEE IF YOU'RE A HUCKABEE IF YOU'RE A CONSERVATIVE, HE'S ALREADY CONSERVATIVE, HE'S ALREADY MAKING TRIPS TO IOWA.

MAKING TRIPS TO IOWA.

HE'S LAUNCHING A BOOK TOUR.

HE'S LAUNCHING A BOOK TOUR.

YOU NEED TO START BUILDING THE YOU NEED TO START BUILDING THE RELATIONSHIPS NOW, COURTING RELATIONSHIPS NOW, COURTING DONORS.

DONORS.

REALLY MOVED UP THE CALENDAR.

REALLY MOVED UP THE CALENDAR.

GWEN: RAND PAUL WAS IN NEW GWEN: RAND PAUL WAS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE THIS WEEK.

HAMPSHIRE THIS WEEK.

I GUESS WHAT I WONDER ABOUT THE I GUESS WHAT I WONDER ABOUT THE PEOPLE LIKE SCOTT WALKERS, I PEOPLE LIKE SCOTT WALKERS, I DON'T SEE THEM GETTING NERVOUS DON'T SEE THEM GETTING NERVOUS AND RUSHING INTO IT.

AND RUSHING INTO IT.

ISN'T THERE AN ALTERNATE THEORY ISN'T THERE AN ALTERNATE THEORY WHICH IS LET THESE GUYS RUN IT WHICH IS LET THESE GUYS RUN IT OUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREDIBLE ESTABLISHMENT INCREDIBLE ESTABLISHMENT PUSH-BACK AGAINST ROMNEY?

PUSH-BACK AGAINST ROMNEY?

>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT >> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT .

.

WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE CLOSE WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE CLOSE TORE WALKER AND RAND PAUL, THEY TORE WALKER AND RAND PAUL, THEY THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

YOU WILL HAVE BUSH/ROMNEY YOU WILL HAVE BUSH/ROMNEY FIGHTING FOR ESTABLISHMENT VOTE.

FIGHTING FOR ESTABLISHMENT VOTE.

YOU WILL HAVE HUCKABEE AND CRUZ YOU WILL HAVE HUCKABEE AND CRUZ AND OTHERS AND CARSON AND AND OTHERS AND CARSON AND SANTORUM, MEETING WITH HIS GUY, SANTORUM, MEETING WITH HIS GUY, FOSTER FRIESZ THIS WEEKEND, BIG FOSTER FRIESZ THIS WEEKEND, BIG FIGHT ON THE RIGHT, BIT FIGE FOR FIGHT ON THE RIGHT, BIT FIGE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT.

THE ESTABLISHMENT.

WHO COULD COME UP THE CENTER?

WHO COULD COME UP THE CENTER?

MAYBE WALKER.

MAYBE WALKER.

HE BALANCES BOTH WINGS OF THE HE BALANCES BOTH WINGS OF THE PARTY.

PARTY.

MAYBE PAUL.

MAYBE PAUL.

>> WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF >> WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF A BIG FIGHT LIKE THIS?

A BIG FIGHT LIKE THIS?

ONE BETWEEN HEAVYWEIGHTS BETWEEN ONE BETWEEN HEAVYWEIGHTS BETWEEN ROMNEY AND BUSH BUT EVEN MORE ROMNEY AND BUSH BUT EVEN MORE BROADLY, IS THERE NOR DANGER FOR BROADLY, IS THERE NOR DANGER FOR THE PARTY?

THE PARTY?

YOU BURN UP A LOT OF RESOURCES.

YOU BURN UP A LOT OF RESOURCES.

YOU HURT FEELINGS.

YOU HURT FEELINGS.

WHAT ARE THE LONG-TERM POLITICAL WHAT ARE THE LONG-TERM POLITICAL FALLOUT IMPLICATIONS OF THIS?

FALLOUT IMPLICATIONS OF THIS?

>> THERE ARE VARIOUS SCHOOLS OF >> THERE ARE VARIOUS SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, TALKING TO A FEW THOUGHT, TALKING TO A FEW REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO WERE OUT IN SAN MEMBERS WHO WERE OUT IN SAN DIEGO TONIGHT, THEY FEEL LIKE IF DIEGO TONIGHT, THEY FEEL LIKE IF THIS PLAYS OUT IN MAJOR PARTY THIS PLAYS OUT IN MAJOR PARTY DRAMA, IT COULD MAKE THE NOMINEE DRAMA, IT COULD MAKE THE NOMINEE BETTER BECAUSE THEY GOT THROUGH BETTER BECAUSE THEY GOT THROUGH A TOUGH PRIMARY OR IT COULD LEAD A TOUGH PRIMARY OR IT COULD LEAD TO ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES WHO TO ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES WHO ARE BATTERED AND END UP KILLING ARE BATTERED AND END UP KILLING EACH OTHER'S CANDIDACIES AND YOU EACH OTHER'S CANDIDACIES AND YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEONE LIKE TED CRUZ WOULD HAVE SOMEONE LIKE TED CRUZ PERHAPS RISE AND SNAG THE PERHAPS RISE AND SNAG THE NOMINATION.

NOMINATION.

GWEN: TWO QUICK QUESTIONS, HOW GWEN: TWO QUICK QUESTIONS, HOW MUCH IS THIS ABOUT GRABBING THE MUCH IS THIS ABOUT GRABBING THE BUCKS BEFORE SOMEBODY ELSE GETS BUCKS BEFORE SOMEBODY ELSE GETS THEM?

THEM?

>> IT'S HUGE.

>> IT'S HUGE.

YOU NEED BIG MONEY TO RUN.

YOU NEED BIG MONEY TO RUN.

THAT'S WHY SANTORUM IS QUOTING THAT'S WHY SANTORUM IS QUOTING FOSTER FREEZE.

FOSTER FREEZE.

LOOK AT THE MODEL FROM 2012, LOOK AT THE MODEL FROM 2012, WHAT HAPPENED TO HUCKABEE IN WHAT HAPPENED TO HUCKABEE IN 2008.

2008.

YOU COULD WIN THE IOWA CAUCUSES YOU COULD WIN THE IOWA CAUCUSES BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY LONG TERM TO LAUNCH A NATIONAL LONG TERM TO LAUNCH A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN, WILL YOU FADE.

CAMPAIGN, WILL YOU FADE.

GWEN: OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO GWEN: OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO TALKED ABOUT MONEY AND EXPRESSED TALKED ABOUT MONEY AND EXPRESSED INTEREST, WHO IS LESS LIKELY TO INTEREST, WHO IS LESS LIKELY TO BE THE NOMINEE, JOHN BOLTON ARE BE THE NOMINEE, JOHN BOLTON ARE GEORGE PATAKI?

GEORGE PATAKI?

>> I TALKED TO FORMER AMBASSADOR >> I TALKED TO FORMER AMBASSADOR BOLTON YESTERDAY.

BOLTON YESTERDAY.

HE SAID HE'S NOT DISWADED BY HE SAID HE'S NOT DISWADED BY THIS WALL OF MONEY HE SEES FROM THIS WALL OF MONEY HE SEES FROM BUSH AND ROMNEY.

BUSH AND ROMNEY.

LOOK, YOU CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT LOOK, YOU CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT AND GET A LOT OF PRESS AND GET A LOT OF PRESS ATTENTION, GET IN THE GRASS ATTENTION, GET IN THE GRASS ROOTS DOLLARS AND SURVIVE PRETTY ROOTS DOLLARS AND SURVIVE PRETTY FAR.

FAR.

GWEN: YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OUR GWEN: YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OUR FEALT.

FEALT.

THE MORE THE MERRIER.

THE MORE THE MERRIER.

THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND I'M ALL FOR THAT.

SAYING AND I'M ALL FOR THAT.

MORE THE MERRIER.

MORE THE MERRIER.

FUN FOR US.

FUN FOR US.

FINALLY TONIGHT, AS THE FINALLY TONIGHT, AS THE PRESIDENT DELIVERS TO PREPARE PRESIDENT DELIVERS TO PREPARE HIS ANNUAL STATE OF THE UNION HIS ANNUAL STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS THIS COMING TUESDAY, ADDRESS THIS COMING TUESDAY, HE'S TAKING THE UNUSUAL STEP OF HE'S TAKING THE UNUSUAL STEP OF FORECASTING WHAT IT WILL FORECASTING WHAT IT WILL CONTAIN.

CONTAIN.

CONTRIBUTING EXPANDANT JOHN CONTRIBUTING EXPANDANT JOHN HARWOOD OF CNBC CLUES US IN, IN HARWOOD OF CNBC CLUES US IN, IN OUR "FRIDAY FOCUS."

OUR "FRIDAY FOCUS."

>> AFTER SIX YEARS, PRESIDENTS >> AFTER SIX YEARS, PRESIDENTS CAN GET OVERTAKEN BY EVENTS AND CAN GET OVERTAKEN BY EVENTS AND SEE AMERICANS TUNE IN.

SEE AMERICANS TUNE IN.

SO PRESIDENT OBAMA'S STRATEGY SO PRESIDENT OBAMA'S STRATEGY FOR PREVIEWING THIS YEAR'S STATE FOR PREVIEWING THIS YEAR'S STATE OF THE UNION IS TO TOUCH THEIR OF THE UNION IS TO TOUCH THEIR LIVES AS MANY WAYS AS HE CAN.

LIVES AS MANY WAYS AS HE CAN.

IN WASHINGTON, HE ANNOUNCED IN WASHINGTON, HE ANNOUNCED STEPS TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM STEPS TO PROTECT AMERICANS FROM CYBER CRIME.

CYBER CRIME.

>> WE'RE INTRODUCING NEW >> WE'RE INTRODUCING NEW LEGISLATION TO CREATE A SINGLE LEGISLATION TO CREATE A SINGLE STRONG NATIONAL STANDARD SO STRONG NATIONAL STANDARD SO AMERICANS KNOW WHEN THEIR AMERICANS KNOW WHEN THEIR INFORMATION HAS BEEN STOLEN OR INFORMATION HAS BEEN STOLEN OR MISUSED.

MISUSED.

>> IN PHOENIX, A CUT IN >> IN PHOENIX, A CUT IN BORROWING COSTS FOR SOME HOME BORROWING COSTS FOR SOME HOME BUYERS.

BUYERS.

>> STARTING THIS MONTH, THE >> STARTING THIS MONTH, THE FEDERAL HOUSING AUTHORITY WILL FEDERAL HOUSING AUTHORITY WILL LOWER ITS MORTGAGE INSURANCE LOWER ITS MORTGAGE INSURANCE PREMIUM RATES ENOUGH TO SAVE THE PREMIUM RATES ENOUGH TO SAVE THE AVERAGE NEW BORROWER MORE THAN AVERAGE NEW BORROWER MORE THAN $900 A YEAR.

$900 A YEAR.

>> IN KNOXVILLE, A PROPOSAL IN >> IN KNOXVILLE, A PROPOSAL IN PARTNERSHIP IN STATES TO MAKE PARTNERSHIP IN STATES TO MAKE TWO YEARS OF COMMUNITY COLLEGE TWO YEARS OF COMMUNITY COLLEGE FREE.

FREE.

>> COMMUNITY COLLEGES SHOULD BE >> COMMUNITY COLLEGES SHOULD BE FREE FOR THOSE WILLING TO WORK FREE FOR THOSE WILLING TO WORK FOR IT.

FOR IT.

BECAUSE IN AMERICA, A QUALITY EDUCATION CANNOT BE A PRIVILEGE EDUCATION CANNOT BE A PRIVILEGE THAT IS RESERVED FOR A FEW.

THAT IS RESERVED FOR A FEW.

>> AND IN DETROIT, HE ANNOUNCED >> AND IN DETROIT, HE ANNOUNCED NEW FEDERAL MONEY FOR NEW FEDERAL MONEY FOR APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS TO HELP APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS TO HELP YOUNG PEOPLE FIND GOOD JOBS.

YOUNG PEOPLE FIND GOOD JOBS.

>> WE WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO SEE >> WE WANT YOUNG PEOPLE TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES.

THAT THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES.

THEY DON'T ALL HAVE TO GO TO A THEY DON'T ALL HAVE TO GO TO A FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE.

FOUR-YEAR COLLEGE.

THEY CAN GET APPRENTICESHIP, THEY CAN GET APPRENTICESHIP, SAVE SOME MONEY, START WORKING.

SAVE SOME MONEY, START WORKING.

>> WILL CONGRESSIONAL >> WILL CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS GIVE HIM ALL OF REPUBLICANS GIVE HIM ALL OF THIS?

THIS?

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT.

DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT.

>> WE'RE LISTENING TO THE >> WE'RE LISTENING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

AMERICAN PEOPLE.

WE HOPE HE WILL START TO LISTEN WE HOPE HE WILL START TO LISTEN TOO AND RECONSIDER HIS TOO AND RECONSIDER HIS OPPOSITION TO SOME OF OUR JOBS OPPOSITION TO SOME OF OUR JOBS BILLS.

BILLS.

>> IN A LAME DUCK'S PRESIDENT'S >> IN A LAME DUCK'S PRESIDENT'S BEST CHANCE IS TO GIVE AS MANY BEST CHANCE IS TO GIVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE A REASON TO PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE A REASON TO LIKE HIS SPEECH.

LIKE HIS SPEECH.

GWEN?

GWEN?

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THIS TUESDAY.

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