EVERYONE.

THANKS FOR JOINING US ON THE WEEKEND REVIEW.

I'M NICK BLUMBERG.

AMANDA VICKI HAS THE EVENING OFF PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN STUMBLES HIS WAY THROUGH A HIGH-PROFILE SHOWDOWN.

DEALING WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE TO DO WE FINALLY BE MEDICARE.

BIDEN'S SHAKY PERFORMANCE.

STOKES DEMOCRATS FEARS ABOUT WHETHER HE'S A VIABLE CANDIDATE.

IF IT'S A FAIR AND LEGAL AND GOOD ELECTION, ABSOLUTELY.

I WOULD HAVE MUCH RATHER EXCEPTED THESE.

THE THE FRAUD AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS RIDICULOUS.

MEANWHILE, FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ATTACKS BIDEN'S RECORD AND REPEATS HIS LIES ABOUT A STOLEN 2020 ELECTION.

IF ANYONE TELLS YOU WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING BEFORE, BUT THIS CONVENTION WILL BE DIFFERENT.

IT WILL BE EXCITING.

HAS SET UP BEGINS FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.

COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS SOUND THE ALARM OVER THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT'S MASS ARREST POLICY.

FORMER ALDERMAN ED BURKE GETS 2 YEARS IN PRISON FOR CORRUPTION AND THE SUPREME COURT HANDS DOWN A DECISION THAT COULD HELP FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER MICHAEL MADIGAN IN HIS CORRUPTION CASE.

AND NOW TO OUR WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

JOINING US ARE JUSTIN LAWRENCE FROM CRAIN'S CHICAGO BUSINESS RAY LONG FROM THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE.

SARAH KARP FROM WBEZ AND JOINING US VIA ZOOM FROM WASHINGTON, D.C., PULITZER PRIZE WINNING WINNING COLUMNIST CLARENCE PAGE.

ALSO FROM THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE.

LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.

CLARENCE PAGE, I LIKE TO GET YOUR REACTION TO THE BIDEN TRUMP DEBATE LAST NIGHT.

I MUST SAY I WAS RATHER SHOCKED JOB SO POORLY I'M REALLY I COVERED JOE BIDEN ALL OVER MONTHS THAT 70 THE FIRST PERSON TO RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

FACT, AND A STUDIES IS A FORMER TRIAL LAWYER ONE WAY SOMEONE IS WE'VE GOT EXPERIENCE AT THE PUBLIC SPEAKING OCCASION REALLY WAS SHOWING AGENT WAS WELL, IT PRODUCING ALL KIND TROPES THAT RIGHT THROUGH FOX NEWS AND OTHERS THAT HAVE PUSHING?

WELL, WAS DISAPPOINTING BREAK DISTURBING TO A LOT DEMOCRATS AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

HE'S GOT PEOPLE TALKING NOW AND WHERE THE COP TOLD OLD-TIMERS THEY HEAR EVERYTHING UP TO THIS AROUND.

WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE A BROKERED CONVENTION, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING WILL BE SO PREDICTABLE OF THE WELL, FULL OF SURPRISES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A REAL POWER STRUGGLE GOING FOR THE TV CAMERAS THAT WE'RE GOING TALK AGAIN NOW.

BUT THE DAY JOE BIDEN SPEAKING OUT AND I A VIRGIN OTHER WAS IT WAS A WELL, IS.

CAME ACROSS PROBLEMS WERE A RECEPTIVE.

SO LOT OF HOPE FOR JOE BIDEN FENCE IT CAN GET PAST THIS RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT WAS VERY DISTURBING AND THE WAY THAT IT WAS CONTRAST THAT WITH HUMANE PEOPLE HOW WILL JOE BARTON HILLS YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHETHER WE HAVE A CONVENTION THIS YEAR.

THAT'S MORE THAN JUST POLITICAL THEATER.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS NOT THE DEBATE.

THE DEMOCRATS WERE HOPING FOR.

JUSTIN LAWRENCE, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO WHAT YOU SAW?

YEAH, IT'S NEVER A GOOD LOOK.

IT IF THE DAY AFTER THE DEBATE, PEOPLE OF YOUR OWN PARTY ARE SUGGESTING THAT YOU SET ASIDE TO MAKE WAY FOR SOMEONE ELSE YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, IT WAS A TOUGH NIGHT FOR TO TO YOU KNOW, JOE BIDEN STRUGGLED TO TO FORM A SCIENCE AND REALLY STRUGGLE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE THINGS DONALD TRUMP WAS SAYING AND HE MAY BE MISSED A MOMENT TO TO KIND OF CHARACTERIZE SOME OF THE OUTLANDISH THINGS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP OFTEN SAYS TOO, TO POINT OUT HOW THUS THEY ARE RATED.

AND THEN NOW YOU CONTRAST THAT WITH WITH A FORMER PRESIDENT WHO WHO WAS MUCH MORE LUCID AND HIS THOUGHTS, RIGHT?

BUT HE'S HE'S SPEWED BY AFTER LIE AND, YOU KNOW, DEFENDED THE JANUARY 6 YEARS AS PATRIOTS AND SAID PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS VERY IT WAS IT WAS A TOUGH NIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN, MULTIPLE FALSE CLAIMS.

MANY FALSE CLAIMS THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT MADE THAT HE DIDN'T NECESSARILY GET A LOT OF PUSHBACK.

ANDRE LONG.

WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON LAST NIGHT?

WELL, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT NO PUSHBACK ON ANY OF TRUMP'S FALSE CLAIMS.

I SAW A VARIETY OF FACT CHECKERS WHO LISTED DOZENS OF EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT HE GO WRONG.

EVERYTHING FROM PEOPLE WANTING ALLOWED TO KILL BABIES AFTER THEY'RE BORN DOOR AND ANY NUMBER OF OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WILD CLAIMS THAT HE HAD, INCLUDING, OF COURSE, ELECTION FRAUD.

THERE WAS JUST NO GOOD THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT HOW JOE BIDEN PERFORMED LAST NIGHT AND THE REALITY, I THINK IS DEMOCRATS ARE THE TYPE WE'RE GOING JUMP INTO A FETAL POSITION WHENEVER THEY HAVE A PROBLEM.

THIS IS A GENUINE PROBLEM.

BUT THERE ACTING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION NOW WHERE ARE DEAD?

SHOULD WE REALLY HAVE THE KEYS TO THE CAR?

SO I THINK SOME PEOPLE WE'RE ONLY GLAD THAT HE BECAUSE HE STOOD.

THERE ARE SOMETIMES CAUGHT ON CAMERA WITH HIS MOUTH WIDE OPEN.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST GLAD HE WASN'T GRUELING.

LOW BAR BUT SOMETHING AT LEAST THAT ONE HE CLEARED.

I MEAN, YES, SARAH KARP A TOUGH NIGHT.

HE THINK THAT BIDEN CAN COME BACK FROM A PERFORMANCE LIKE IT'S A LONG TIME BEFORE THE ELECTIONS.

SO I'M SURE THAT YOU CAN COME BACK FROM ANYTHING IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL LIKE 6 MONTHS, RIGHT?

SO I I DO THINK YOU CAN COME BACK.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WOULD HAVE REALLY HELPED BIDEN IS IF YOU DIDN'T SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO POINT OUT THE LIES THAT TRUMP WAS MAKING, WHICH GREAT IN MANY AND TALK LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE AND WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO.

HE REALLY SEEM TO GET TANGLED WHEN HE TRIED TO TELL THE STORY OF WHAT HE WHAT HE'S DONE.

YOU KNOW, FROM TALKING TO MY KIDS WHO ARE IN THEIR 20'S AND THEY DIDN'T THEY WERE SWITCHING BACK FOR HEADED THERE.

SOME SOCCER MORE INTERESTED IN.

BUT THEY WERE LIKE WHAT'S IN BIDEN WANTED?

WHAT IS BIDEN FAKE OR WHAT IS WHAT WHAT IS BIDEN THEY WERE ASKING ME AND I REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR JUST A NORMAL PERSON OUT THERE WHO IS NOT LIKE A SCORE CARD.

JUST WANT TO KNOW LIKE I'VE TRIED TO CANCEL ALL COLLEGE DEBT.

YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT AND I THINK THAT THAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE FAR BETTER.

I THINK MAYBE HE GOT A LITTLE TANGLED IN TRYING TO KEEP.

I HAVEN'T.

AS YOU SAID, THAT'S JUST A LIE.

THAT'S IT'S LIKE, OKAY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF NOW.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?

ALSO REMINDED ME OF THE TIME THAT RONALD REAGAN STUMBLED AND LOOKED FOR A MOMENT, NOT AS MANY TIMES AS BIDEN, BUT FOR A MOMENT THAT HE WAS CONFUSED AND AND PEOPLE STARTED QUESTIONING AGE AND THE THEORY THEN WAS TOO MANY AIDES TRIED TO STUFF TOO MUCH INTO HIS BRAIN AND HE HAD TO TRY TO TRY TO REMEMBER THAT.

AND NANCY REAGAN HE'S SAID TO HAVE SAID, HEY, JUST LET RYAN BE RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU STUFF HIS MIND WITH ALL THESE FACTS AND FIGURES HE'S SUPPOSED TO SPEW OUT.

IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE DO IT IN A DEBATE SITUATION.

THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER HERE I THINK IS THAT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TECHNICALLY, TOO, PUSH HIM OFF THE BALLOT OR CONVINCE HIM.

I MEAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN UPHILL FUNNY THAT HE WOULD SAY, OH, I CAN'T DO IT.

AND THEN STILL IT WOULD BE TECHNICALLY DIFFICULT BECAUSE REMEMBER, OHIO.

REQUIRES THAT THE CANDIDATE.

APPROVED BY AUGUST 7TH.

SO THAT'S EVEN BEFORE THE CONVENTION AND CHICAGO, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO LOSE THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING OHIO IN THE MIX.

YEAH, HEADACHE LOGISTICAL FRONTS.

IN ADDITION TO POLITICAL FRIENDS, WELL, LAST NIGHT, BIDEN SURROGATES IMMEDIATELY WENT ON THE OFFENSE TRYING TO PORTRAY THE PRESIDENT HAS THE RIGHT GUY FOR THE JOB.

LET'S HEAR SOME OF WHAT CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM HAD TO SAY.

TO ME.

THAT WAS JUST DAYLIGHT AND DARKNESS.

I'M A LITTLE OLD-FASHIONED.

I CARE ABOUT SUBSTANCE.

I CARE ABOUT POLICY.

I CARE ABOUT FACTS.

I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ACCOUNTABLE TO THEIR LIVES.

WHAT I SAW TONIGHT WAS DONALD WEAKNESS MASQUERADING A STRIKE.

CLARENCE PAGE, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE PRESIDENT'S, YOU KNOW, CAME OUT AT THIS RALLY TODAY, SAID I'M NOT A YOUNG MAN AS I ONCE WAS A NOT A STRONG DEBATER.

AS I ONCE WAS.

BUT I'M STILL THE RIGHT GUY FOR THE JOB.

I'M THE ONE WHO TELLS THE TRUTH.

IS THAT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO QUELL NERVOUS DEMOCRATS?

GOING DO, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO REST UNTIL DOES EVERYTHING HE CAN TO TRY TO GET THAT MESSAGE AGAIN.

I'M FOR YEARS SERVING OVER TALKING TO I WAS REALLY SHOCKED WHOLE ALL OF THAT HE'S SEEN LAST NIGHT.

FOR THOSE.

A STORY HAS PEOPLE OLD OH, MAN, NOT MUCH YOUNGER.

JOE DOESN'T BUT I DO RESPECT JOB WASN'T IT IS A GUY WHO AND YOU CAN SEE I THINK WHAT'S HE A WHOLE DOWN.

AND HE WAS SOUNDING A LOT MORE LIKE THE THE CAMPAIGN JOE BIDEN.

WE HAVE NO, BUT IT IS AN ISSUE WATCH OUT OF YOU SPECIAL THE GOVERNOR.

NEWSOM MATTER WHAT YOU DO, GOVERNOR NEWSOM ONE GUY WHO THEN MOVED UP MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE MINDS OF PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT WHO COULD BE THE NEXT LEADING DEMOCRATIC CONTENDER FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.

YOU'VE GOT OF COURSE, A COUPLE OF YEARS BEEN ONE OF VARIOUS HEARD A LOT FROM THE SURROGATES WHO ALSO OR SO ON THE BENCH TO STEP IN.

IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT WHERE PARTY IS THESE DAYS.

WELL, AN CLARENCE RAY JUST MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS MIGHT TAKE AN EPIPHANY FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN TO DECIDE, OKAY, I'M NOT THE GUY.

DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANYONE WHO COULD CONVINCE HIM?

IT'S TIME TO DROP OUT AND ENDORSE SOMEONE ELSE?

IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY CAN FORGET ABOUT THE COUPLE A BROKERED CONVENTION, JOE BIDEN HAS TO DECIDE THEMSELVES GET OUT THERE AND SAY TURNED OVER ALL MY DELEGATES TO SOMEBODY ELSE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO TURN OVER TO THE CONVENTION AND OPEN JOE BIDEN ABOUT DO THAT.

WAY TO EAST.

BUT IT'S A FIGHT TO THE END.

YOU KNOW, SARAH DEBATES LIKE THIS ARE A LONG-STANDING TRADITION.

DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY MOVED THE NEEDLE MUCH WITH THE AVERAGE VOTER?

FOR EXAMPLE, FOLKS WHO MAYBE ARE FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN A SOCCER MATCH, RIGHT EYE.

DON'T ACCEPT THAT THIS ONE.

I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS IT REINFORCED AND EVEN JUST A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE LIKE WATCHING IT, WHAT THEY HEARD ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE JUST SITTING LIKE, OH, YOU KIND OF SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY OLD MAN AND MAYBE HE'S AT A PORT AND THEN YOU HEARD ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT AND THOSE YOU KNOW, THEY KILL A MAN AND SO I I THINK THAT THAT'S THE TROUBLESOME PART IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TV RATINGS WERE.

MAYBE THEY GOT BETTER AS THE NIGHT WENT I'M BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, THERE'S A TRAIN WRECK LOOK AT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WHEN HE WAS PRETTY.

IT'S NOT GOOD BECAUSE I THINK THE SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU KNOW, OUTREACH AFTERWARDS, THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY JUST REVERB RATE OVER TIME.

I THINK IT WAS JUST A REGULAR OLD DEBATE YET MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALLY PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION.

SO YEAH, I GUESS IF YOU'RE DEBATES GETTING NUMBERS FROM RUBBER NECK ERS, THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE BIGGEST QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO TUNED IN, BUT THERE'S A DEBATE, A BETTER PAY ATTENTION.

AND I HAVEN'T MADE UP MY MIND YET.

AND JUST SEE THIS AND THEY THINK HOLY SMOKES AND THEY GET LOCKED IN THAT BIDEN CAN'T DO THE JOB.

AND SO DID YOU LOSE THOSE AND DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO?

RECOVERED?

YOU DIDN'T REALLY RECOVER LAST NIGHT, BUT IF THEY SEE HOW BIDEN DID IN NORTH CAROLINA TODAY, YOU MIGHT THINK AND HE LOOKED LIKE THE GUY WHO IS IN THE UNION HALL HERE IN CHICAGO.

WELL, VICE PRESIDENT POUNDING ON PODIUM AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING HIS POINTS OVER AND I THINK A BIG PROBLEM, THOUGH, AS IS THE SORT OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE WHO THEY JUST WON'T VOTE.

IT'S NOT LIKE GOING TO VOTE FOR I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT TRUMP, PEOPLE, BUT THEY'RE BUT WHEN THEY SEE THIS LIKE OLD GUY AND THEY THINK IT'S LIKE THIS OTHER GENERATION, THEY ARE GOING TO SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE ALREADY A LOT OF THEM ARE REALLY THAT HAPPY WITH BIDEN FOR OTHER, FOR SOME OF HIS POLICIES.

SO I THINK THAT THAT THIS DOESN'T HELP HIM IN THAT WAY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGE MINDS, BUT I THINK THE ENTHUSIASM IS WHERE WE'RE REALLY IN TROUBLE.

I THINK IF THERE'S ANY UPSHOT FOR BIDEN AND ALL ITS WERE STILL 6 MONTHS OUT AND NOW THE BAR'S BEEN SET SO HIGH YOU KNOW, HE WON'T.

ONLY HAVE SO MANY TIMES TO BE ON ON THESE BIG NATIONAL FALL.

IT'S AGAIN.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THE DNC COMING UP THIS KIND OF PERCOLATING EARLIER THIS YEAR, RIGHT?

AND HE GAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNION ADDRESS.

THE PEOPLE WE GO.

AND, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER WAY LIKE THAT I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT THERE'S POSITIVES FROM LAST NIGHT, BUT MAYBE NOW HE CAN ANYTHING ABOVE WHAT HE HOW HE PERFORMED LAST NIGHT SEEN AS A POSSIBLE, I THINK IN A CHICAGO THAT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THEY NEED TO PUT ON A PERFORMANCE HERE CHICAGO.

AND IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY PUT AGAIN, THEY'RE IN TROUBLE.

AND SPEAKING OF SOME BIG CHICAGO NEWS, WE COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THE DEBATE FOR THE REST OF OUR TIME HERE.

BUT TURNING TO THE CASE OF FORMER ALDERMAN ED BURKE.

HE WAS SENTENCED TO JUST 2 YEARS IN PRISON, ALTHOUGH HE DID GET A PRETTY HEFTY FINE.

THAT IS FAR LESS THAN THE 10 YEARS PROSECUTORS HAD ASKED FOR LAWRENCE, HOW MUCH OF A DETERRENT DOES A SENTENCE LIKE THAT CREATE AFTER DECADES OF WHAT YOU KNOW, WIDESPREAD ALLEGED AND CONVICTED CORRUPTION.

YEAH.

AT THE SENTENCING HEARING ON MONDAY, THERE'S A LOT OF TALK OF WHAT WHAT REALLY DETERS FUTURE YOU NO HARM IN POLITICIANS FROM DOING IS A LONG PRISON SENTENCES THAT THE FACT THAT THEY KNOW THAT THE FEDS ARE LISTENING AND THAT THEIR COLLEAGUE MIGHT BE WEARING A WIRE.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT A TWO-YEAR SENTENCE AND A 2 MILLION DOLLAR FINE THAT THE JUDGE KIND OF CONCEDED THAT, HEY, PARTLY PART OF THE REASON I'M I'M IMPOSING THIS HEFTY FINE IS BURKE IS ABLE TO PAY HE'S HE'S ACCUMULATED ALLEGEDLY 30 MILLION DOLLARS OVER HIS CAREER.

2 MILLION DOLLARS WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD SO I DON'T.

LISTENING THAT I WAS A LITTLE INCREDULOUS I DON'T THINK THAT NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS.

NECESSARILY STOP CORRUPTION IN THIS STATE AND THE CITY.

I THINK THAT THE TEMPTATION THAT COMES WITH POWER IS IS MAYBE JUST I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ACT OR ACTS RATIONALLY WHEN THEY WHEN THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEIRS.

DO YOU THINK THE JUDGE WAS SWAYED BY ALL THESE LETTERS OF SUPPORT SAYING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE GREAT THINGS BURKETT DONE OVER THE SHE CERTAINLY AND AND NOT JUST THE AND I THINK ALDERMAN NEXT WAS ON.

IT WAS ONLY CURRENT SITTING TO WRITE A LETTER ON HIS BEHALF AND THERE'S SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, MOVERS AND SHAKERS FORMER CPS OFFICIAL THEIR HEADS.

BUT SHE SEEMED REALLY BE MOVED BY BY ALL FOLKS RATE, CLERGY THAT ROAD AND FOR THE PEOPLE NONDESCRIPT PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE POWER SAYING, HEY AND BURKE ATTENDED MY HUSBAND'S I SON'S FUNERAL.

TOOK AFTER US.

AND THAT IS THE SITE OF A BIRTH THAT I WANT TO CONSIDER.

AND YES, SHE DID SAY THAT THAT PERSON ANOTHER BIG CORRUPTION ISSUE.

CLARENCE PAGE, THE SUPREME COURT HANDED DOWN A DECISION PRETTY PENDING A CORRUPTION LAW THAT FEDERAL PROSECUTORS HAVE COME TO RELY ON.

WHAT DID THE SUPREME COURT DECISION DO AS RELATES TO TO BRIBES TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS?

O WELL, WAS MORE FAMILIAR WITH BOOK.

IT ESSENTIALLY A BETTER DEFENSE FOR LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GOT CAUGHT WITH BRIBERY THAT'S GOING TO THE WILL OF THOSE LOVE INTEREST CHICAGO BECAUSE A NUMBER OF CASES HAVE COME OUT OF OF AIR RELATE TO THIS I BET IT OVER.

THERE WAS MORE OF WILL BE DIRECTLY TO MADIGAN CASE WHO YOU LITERALLY WROTE WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

HOUSE IS GOING TO SHAKE OUT.

WELL, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 5 COUNTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE ONES THAT WERE OVERTURNED IN INDIANA CASE.

SO THE MAN, AGAIN, FOLKS ARE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE ALL OVER THOSE GET AND OF FULL-SCALE EFFORT TOGETHER KNOCK THOSE OUT.

THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK INTO COURT HERE.

AND THE JUDGE IN THAT CASE IS GOING TO HAVE THEM DETERMINE THIS.

SO CASE OF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS ONE THAT CAUSE A NEW STRATEGY.

WHAT ALL IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND MOTION THAT THE FOR THE THE DOCUMENTARY THAT THE JUDGE HAD ACTUALLY SUGGESTED IS THAT THE PROSECUTION GOING TO COME BACK AND HAVE A SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT THAT WOULD RETAILER SOME OF THESE COUNTS.

SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT COMES NEXT?

AND THE JUDGE MADE IT CLEAR HE WANTED TO STAY ON TRACK FOR RUNNING THIS TRIAL ON OCTOBER.

8TH.

DO YOU THINK THE PROSECUTORS ARE STILL CONFIDENT IN THEIR CASE OR ARE THEY READY TO MAKE THAT IF THEY NEED TO DO A SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT, YOU MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENT.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY WERE JUST SITTING AROUND.

IT IS.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY PROBABLY HAD A BACKUP PLAN ALL ALONG.

AND SO THEY'RE PROBABLY READY TO GO IF THEY NEED TO HAVE A GRAND JURY MEDILL DO IT AND THEY'LL DO IT QUICKLY.

SO THAT THEY CAN GET SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT OUT THERE SO THAT THE DEFENSE CAN ARGUE IT OR OR LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD SO THEY CAN STAY ON TRACK.

SOME BIG EDUCATION NEWS THIS WEEK.

SARAH, WE GOT WORD THAT SOME 600 SUPPORT STAFFERS AT CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN LAID OFF.

WHAT ARE THE DETAILS THERE?

SO, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS FACING A BUDGET DEFICIT OF AT LEAST 400 MILLION.

AND I ACTUALLY THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY TRYING TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET WITH SUBSTANTIALLY BIGGER POLL DONE THAT SO THEY EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, THEIR STAFF ADJUSTMENTS.

AND IT'S ONE THING THAT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL US HOW MUCH OF THIS IS JUST A SCHOOL SCHOOL SAYING LIKE, OH, WE DON'T NEED THAT ANYMORE OR THE BUDGET DEFICIT.

THE FACT THAT SCHOOLS SOME SCHOOLS GOT LESS RESOURCES BECAUSE THIS YEAR, ALSO, CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOLS DECIDED TO REVAMP THE WAY THAT THEY GIVE MONEY TO SCHOOL.

SO IT'S BEEN REALLY SORT OF DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND HOW ALL THESE FACTORS ARE WORKING.

BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH, THE CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FILL A BUDGET DEFICIT.

AND SO.

THE TEACHER AIDES, THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE OR IT'S GOING TO BE.

DON'T THINK THAT LIKE PEDRO MARTINEZ, A CEO HAS ACTUALLY SUGGESTED LIKE MAYBE WE WANT WATCH OUR WINDOWS WHICH ARE LIKE, OK, HOWARD, AND I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS THE KIDS WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO ONE THING.

HE WAS JUST SORT OF SAYING THAT I THINK MOSTLY JUST SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE NOT LIKE IN THE CLASSROOM RELATED.

BUT HE HASN'T SAID HOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK THIS OUT AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS COMING UP IN THE NEXT MONTH.

THERE ALSO REALLY INTERESTING STUDY THAT FOUND REMOVING POLICE OFFICERS FROM SCHOOLS DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE HOW SAFE STUDENTS OR TEACHERS FELT.

IT ALSO FOUND CHANGES IN HIGH-LEVEL INFRACTIONS.

WHAT WOULD BE RIGHT UP FROM THE STUDY SAYING WAS THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS BEEN OVER LAST 4 YEARS ON REMOVING IT REMOVING POLICE OFFICERS FROM SCHOOL.

SO USED TO BE THE VAST MAJORITY OF HIGH SCHOOLS IN CHICAGO.

PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAD ONE OR 2 POLICE OFFICERS STATION IN THEM EVERY DAY.

NOW ITS ONLY 39 SCHOOLS.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THEM HAVE GOTTEN RID OF THEM IN BASICALLY THE UFC LOOK TO SEE WHAT WERE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES IN THE SCHOOLS ARE GOT RID OF THEM AS OPPOSED TO THE SCHOOL TO STILL HAVE THEM.

INTERESTING THING WITH IT.

SOME PEOPLE ARGUE STUDENTS WOULD FEEL SAFER WITHOUT POLICE BECAUSE A LOT OF STUDENTS DON'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, DRIVE WITH POLICE.

TURNS OUT THEY DIDN'T FEEL SAFER WITHOUT POLICE BUT TURNS OUT THEY DIDN'T FEEL LESS SAFE EITHER OR ALL THE PEOPLE SAID, WELL, THE POLICE MAKE MAKE US FEEL SAFE.

SO IT WAS SORT OF LIKE, WELL, THIS DIDN'T REALLY.

CHANGE THE PERCEPTIONS SAFETY, RIGHT, AND SO AND MAYBE THAT MAYBE IT WASN'T AS BIG OF A DEAL IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO KNOW IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE STATIONED IN SCHOOLS ALL THE TIME, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF SOMETHING GOES DOWN, THERE IS NOT A PRESENCE AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT POLICE NOTIFICATIONS, THEY DID NOT DECREASE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE SCHOOL DIDN'T HAVE PLEASE.

AND THEN SO IT DOESN'T SO THAT THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE WHERE YOU THINK YOU'D MOST A DECLINE.

AND YOU DIDN'T SEE AS MUCH OF A DECLINE.

SO AND SPEAKING OF POLICE, JUSTIN LAWRENCE, THERE'S COALITION OF COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT SAYS IT'S WORRIED ABOUT CPD IS MASS ARREST POLICY WITH THE UPCOMING DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.

WHAT ARE THEIR CONCERNS?

SO THEY PUT OUT A PRELIMINARY PRELIMINARY POLICY A FEW WEEKS AGO, RIGHT IN AND THEY'VE ALLOW THE PUBLIC AND AND THESE COMMUNITY GROUPS TO WEIGH AND HAVE ISSUED A NEW POLICY AND THERE ARE SOME CHANGES, RIGHT, THAT THE THE GROUPS ARE HAPPY ABOUT THIS.

THEY SAY WE WON'T KETTLE PROTESTERS.

THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE THEY ALLOW THEM TO TO WALK THE WALK DOWN A STREET AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME AT THEM FROM ALL SIDES AND BATTLE EVERYBODY UP AND ARREST EVERYONE, WHICH IS THAT'S ALSO LED TO A LOT OF VERY EXPENSIVE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST.

BUT I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING SORTED AND THESE ARE THE POLICIES.

AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE FOLLOWED TO A T IN THE CHAOS OF OF ANY POTENTIAL UNREST.

CLARENCE PAGE, HOW WORRIED DO YOU THINK CONVENTION PLANNERS AND PARTY LEADERS ARE ABOUT MAJOR CONFLICTS BETWEEN POLICE AND PROTESTERS OUTSIDE THE DNC?

IS THAT ON FOLKS RADAR?

THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

AND NUMBER, 68 IT WITH THE CITY TIME THERE WHEN THE PLEAS FOR LITTLE BIT A CONTROL ORDER TO WALKER REPORT THIS.

LATER, SAFE AND DO A LITTLE MORE RECENT YEARS.

COMMISSIONS THAT 6.

I KNOW THAT YEAH, THEY THAT WAS A BEAUTIFUL CONVENTION SO CENTRAL PROBLEM ON THE WAY WELL ORGANIZED.

BUT THE BIG CONCERN THIS YEAR, THOUGH, WITH PROTESTS AROUND GAZA AND OTHER CURRENT CAUSES SOME SOME BATS PRICES COULD HAPPEN.

I THINK OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT LEARNED LOT SINCE THOSE DAYS AND OF PUBLIC LEARNED A LOT.

I KNOW THERE'S BIG TROUBLE TO OCCUR, BUT EVERYBODY HAS TO READY FOR KILLING.

BY THE WAY, THIS TIME I SAW THAT WAS SEE WHAT A DONALD TRUMP INAUGURATED.

ROUNDING PEOPLE UP, INCLUDING COUPLE OF REPORTERS OUT THERE SO DON'T GET TOO CLOSE TO POLICE FOR THEIR HANDLING.

HAHA, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO AVOID GETTING PENNED IN.

WE'RE GLAD WE COULD GET YOU ALL HERE WITHOUT PEDALING YOU WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

SO OUR THANKS TO JUSTIN LAWRENCE RAY LONG, SARAH KARP AND CLARENCE PAGE.

AND WE ARE BACK TO WRAP THINGS UP RIGHT AFTER THIS.

CHICAGO TONIGHT IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART WHY THE ALEXANDRA AND JOHN NICHOLS FAMILY.

THE POPE BROTHERS FOUNDATION, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IS PROVIDED BY.

AND THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR THIS FRIDAY NIGHT.

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I'M NICK BLUMBERG.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

STAY HEALTHY AND SAFE AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

CLARENCE PAGE, YOU WROTE THIS WEEK ABOUT MEETING THE LATE GREAT ACTOR DONALD SUTHERLAND AS GIS.

WHAT WAS THAT EXPERIENCE LIKE FOR YOU?

WAS HAVE THE GREAT BITTER ABOUT.

SERVICE AND ALL OF AND I WANT TO A MATCH THE WEEKEND LEAVE.

JUST OPENED AND THAT MOVIE GAVE THE CITY IS THEY NEED IS ISN'T PRESS THIS.

I KNOW I'M FORMER WASHINGTON GOOD.

AND THERE FUN OTHER FOLKS.

BUT IT WAS THE IS THIS, PROBABLY LOSE A GOAL IN ALL WILL.

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