>> Hello and thanks for joining us on the weekend review.

I'm Amanda its the end of the road for ShotSpotter.

>> It's effective tool.

The gunshot detection technology will be dismantled starting Sunday.

>> The mayor says he won't let a corporation prion.

Chicagoans fears about crime, but residents and high violence neighborhood say they need every tool.

The detection.

It's working.

>> Is detecting that bullets are flying and that they come causing an historic standoff between the mayor and the city council.

This as a new front opens in the fight for the future of Chicago public schools.

As Illinois marks one year without cash bail.

And what we've seen in the one year that been doing this is that we've not seen an increase in crime, which lot of detractors were trying to use as a cudgel.

Meanwhile, this ETA says cash is what needs above all else.

If you want to have a world-class transit system, you have to prepared to pay And jury in the latest big corruption case.

That strikes at Springfield's culture.

What it could mean for former Speaker Michael Madigan's trial.

That's just weeks away.

>> And now to our week in review panel joining us, I remind mean with talk the Chicago right.

Well, full of WBEZ Hannah with Capitol News, Illinois and Chip Mitchell also with WBEZ.

Thanks so much in.

begin with you because some some breaking news today in that we know that there was tension between Mayor Brandon Johnson and head of Chicago Public Schools, Pedro Martinez.

But now it's official that the mayor wants Martina has gone.

What do you know?

multiple news outlets reporting including today that this week, specifically on Wednesday.

>> The mayor called Martinez and his office and asked him to resign.

Martinez said no.

yeah, and I believe the Sun-Times and easier actually reporting that he is waiting to see how the Chicago Board of Education is going to react, whether they're going to back him or not.

But it is increasingly seemingly like the board, you know, might might not beyond his side, might not stick with Martina.

yeah.

Right.

And previously they were kind of sticking with him.

We had sources telling us that they also backed you know, insistence to not take out a short-term loan, which the mayor had insisted on to kind of pay.

And for some of district's financial woes.

But it seems that maybe he's losing the board's backing here.

Why?

What changed?

So there's been pressure for as as you mentioned for a while now for months.

Right now, we are in the middle of CTU.

Chicago Teachers, Union contract negotiations.

Mayor Brandon Johnson is a very close ally of C 2.

He used to work for the union and negotiations have gotten pretty tense.

The CTU has a very extensive package of proposals, extensive and expensive.

you know, the mayor's office, as I mentioned, has pushed the district to take out a loan to help cover some of those costs.

In addition to some pension payments, the district has said no.

And they also, you know, adopted a budget that closed a very large deficit, but also you resulted in some cuts and that the mayor was not happy about that either will bit explain this to me, Maria What is Johnson specific issue with Martinez here and why with the board go with the mayor, your but they don't have to.

>> Follow his orders when they've disagreed with him in terms of what he to happen with the CPS budget?

I think a big sticking point is this 175 million dollar pension payment that is burning a hole in the city's budget this year?

You know, there's a 223 million dollar budget gap that the city has to close.

>> For 2024 notwithstanding the nearly 1 billion dollar budget gap are staring down for next year.

And this is a pension that piece of the pension payment of municipal employees that former Mayor Lori Lightfoot shifted the burden onto CPS to pay and kind of a shocking rebuke of Johnson.

Cps did not include that in their budget for this year.

And so this is a huge sticking point.

I think it really on top of, you know.

>> That's what they need the question as to why the mayor would want Martinez gone.

I'm confused as to what happened with the Board of Education member.

It doesn't.

It's not totally clear at this point.

You know what's shifting with the board?

What we do know is that when the mayor did make that request for that short-term loan, the board seem to agree with Martinez and CPS leadership and saying that, you know, this doesn't feel like a fiscal year responsive, responsible move and say that kind of stuck with him.

But this is just me kind of reading the tea leaves.

It seems that may be with pressure mounting and with these contract negotiations, kind of, you know, not moving as fast as they had hoped.

It's possible that the board is now kind of, you know, caving in thinking maybe we should go in another direction and the board, which is appointed by the mayor as well.

And I think it would be easier for us to to give you an answer if board members were speaking publicly about their positions on some of these more controversial policies.

>> But so far, I mean, today reporting, all we have is that a senior aide in the mayor's office has said the board is no longer with Martinez on some of these larger issues and kind of trying to paint that.

But it's hard.

It's hard to, you know, fact, check that without board members kind and they're to up.

they're not responding to phone calls or anything like that.

Lease for us too.

>> I mean, it's just major school district and its leadership.

So, you know, don't do any of those calls back.

you know, I know that neither of you specifically cover CPS, education, but I'm sort of going give this to the table.

Is there any way that this backfires on the mayor, this very public now push to oust Martinez?

>> Well, I think that's a big question.

If is whether the board is going to back the mayor.

And if the board does not back the mayor and his, you know, wishes for the resignation of the CPS CEO who has historically I mean, since 1995 served at the pleasure of the board.

But really at the pleasure of the mayor that appoints the board, that would be stunning politically.

And so I think it's kind of a game of wait and see.

Martinez accept the resignation and then therefore for go his severance package?

Does he require the board to fire him with or without cause without cause.

They be in the hole for nearly $200,000 in severance package or with cars.

And then they open themselves up to a lawsuit which Martinez, you know, could could over, you know, termination for cars if he disagrees with that, which I'm he would disagree, that he deserves to be fired.

He's been pretty adamant thus far that he wants to keep his job.

Now, let's move on because another big move by Mayor Johnson this week and that is canceling shot spotter.

That's the technology chip that.

>> Alerts police of the sound of gunshots and it will be gone.

Starting this weekend.

What does that mean for the city Yes, starting Sunday, in fact, and that that would fulfill a campaign promise going back a year and a half that Brandon Johnson, the mayor made.

>> To pull the plug.

But some city council members on Wednesday tried to compel his administration to extend this contract.

And it's kind.

It's a very interesting block on the council now that admit, yeah, I don't know if this will be something that outlive this particular debate, but you have some some long standings supporters of the police department and the police union for pretty much anything together with several black and Latino all the persons, not all of them, but they they actually voted for an ordinance that with the that at 33 to 14.

So that's it's a lot of all there's on this particular issue lined up against Matt Farrell, not unanimous by any means, but fairly resoundingly actually take a listen to a bit of that debate in the back and forth.

And the city Council.

>> Do for me, but not for the that's what we're talking about here today.

You somehow do better than what we the 34 and indeed, 36, Mr. President that support a continuation of something in our communities.

At the 16 know better than we did.

I think sound thinking shot business.

I think when they first came in, they said it was going to reduce violence is going to increase convictions.

Did not do that.

Just removing it.

Not having any answer at all is frightening.

>> So before we move on to the political dynamics at play just a while, I don't know that we can fully separate at, but we'll get to the veto in just a moment.

But my first can you just talk about what Johnson's reasoning is beyond the campaign pledge he's fulfilling.

Well, I think there's 2 prongs here.

One, I think on principle, Johnson believes technology like ShotSpotter leads to the over-policing in black and brown communities and he references the death of 13 year-old Adam Toledo where >> police responded to that scene based on the ShotSpotter call.

So there's that, you know, theoretical argument and then Johnson has shifted as mayor to say that actually this technology has been proven to be ineffective.

And, you know, we're paying millions of dollars on a technology that doesn't lead to more gun prosecutions, citing, you know, study by the Cook County State's Turning Kim Foxx.

And and that money could be better spent on to us that prevent violence.

And so he's there's there's 2 prongs to Johnson's opposition in Chip.

You've also done some reporting in terms of 9-1-1 response.

Yeah, this in interview and economists.

>> Who pored through data collected a lot of data on many years of the ShotSpotter program here in Chicago.

found that this tech now technology actually slows down.

Police responses to 9-1-1, calls.

So if in another, which you have human beings and distress calling saying.

The cops got something going on here, gunshots.

Those calls are getting cancer.

It's more slowly now.

Then then before this technology came in with artificial intelligence where cops are responding to, you know, these sensors, these these acoustic sensors thing is that with artificial as the mayor called them walkie talkies and know him Some of counter argument had been that to people in high crime neighborhoods say they need every possible tool.

>> Every mechanism it especially in the least until there is a replacement show beyond just being done on Sunday.

What is the plan?

Yeah.

So they're going to be decommissioned on Sunday.

And you know that technology will start to be taken down.

And then the mayor is looking for requests from other gunshot detection technology.

And so >> they're going to go through this requests for information for proposals, process and the mayor says his intention is to contract with another form of technology.

And so it's kind of contradictory to his overall argument that technology like this leads to the over it sinks that.

But you know, you you shift and you change from campaigning to governing.

And that might just be one of those inflection points for him.

We'll just have to see.

And, you know, he's not ruling out Recontacted with ShotSpotter, though.

That would be long shot.

But you know, you you go through this formal request for proposals, requests for information process and see what you get back.

You try to negotiate the best deal.

And that's what the mayor says he's going to take, you know, months to There is a transition period from, you know, now through November that Bill, you know, work with the police department to transition away from using the tech and what, what?

each of you be watching mayor?

When question said he doesn't necessarily have a timeline.

The timeline is, however long it takes to to get it right.

like this like you know, putting out another RFP and waiting for responses and, you know, vetting all of these candidates.

>> That could take a very, very long time.

And by the time, some a process like that is, you know, basically cooked.

Who knows what kind of environment we're going to be and who knows what the demand might be.

It might be something that is just put on the backburner and it was permanently left on the back burner.

Right?

And we're yeah.

Go ahead what this company sound thinking.

They've appeared before city council committee.

>> And they're saying I'm starting Sunday, we're going to start to take the equipment down.

So it could be very costly if the city actually tried to backtrack and keep ships out, shot spotter, you know, as days and weeks and months passed.

And another thing, it's not at all clear that there is another company like that could could put up anything like ShotSpotter.

So what kind of tech technology are they talking about?

>> So you and to say most immediately, we're looking to whether the mayor is going to do this proposal.

He has.

He says he intended to veto it.

He calls it illegal.

The city's corporation counsel says it's a violation of Separation of Powers Act that the legislative branch can't compel the executive branch enter into a contract.

This might play out during budget season.

Alderman might try to, you know, your mark, you know, funding for ShotSpotter in that budget process.

But I think we have a long way to go in order to Johnson has to hold a city council meeting where he will issue the veto.

City council members can then vote to override.

And, you know, they were just one vote short of the veto proof majority.

And so >> if they look you and if they do, it almost, you know, a court fight.

You know, do we see court aside from all that, put this in perspective, how historic is the fact that we even could be seeing a veto and potential for an override?

Well, it is historic.

The last mayoral veto we saw was in 2006 when Richard Daley vetoed a ledge an ordinance that would require big box retailers to pay their employees more.

>> And in Chicago, you know, this, you know, mayor still have to issue vetoes often because they have so much control over what legislation comes up for a vote in the first place.

You're controlling chair appointments on chairmanships and so it would be it would be a very big deal to see, you know, Johnson issue a veto on this.

>> Not that there's seems Johnson seemed to bristle really at the notion is well that his relationship with the City Council is rocky.

Despite this vote, despite questions over sort of where he's at with CPS and ties to the CTU and then also really didn't seem appreciate when a reporter said you pivoted from choosing your is owning chair.

So stick with you on this.

Just your thoughts.

Is this a rocky relationship or is the mayor says is this just?

Change in a different set of values in Chicago to which Chicago's accustomed, I think.

>> When you line up all of these different instances, they have their own unique nuances that make them, you know, contentious and controversial in the city council.

But the fact that we're seeing so many of them, I think, is indicative of someone who's never held executive office before and who is kind of learning as we go, how to play politics with the City council in the shot spotter instance, you know, the mayor gets to his majority and city council through allies in the Black caucus and progressives on the council.

And in this case, allies in the Black Caucus are very pro shot spotter and want, you know, some of them.

Others like Alderman Jason Ervin are are not.

And so there is not consensus in the way.

And so you see, I'm saying, like you can kind of fizzled out.

A nuance is from each of these.

So, you know, I think we should all take the point that it's been in different in different ways, including the committee chairman.

Just another political dynamic that could play out as well.

>> You know, when shot spotters is decommission starting on Sunday, there will there will be shooting deaths in which nobody called And and there will be publicity about nobody calls because they didn't hear it because here why they don't trust a plea for exactly.

>> So those will get publicity and there could be a political toll that Johnson will pay and it will be drip, drip, drip, drip, drip.

So we'll see.

Have to see how what I thought was interesting about your interview was the researcher said that, you know, in an ideal world where the police had the resources that they needed would be an excellent asset.

But, you know, too.

You know, supplemental.

It gets the supplemental But in this world, like you said.

>> When police are sending resources to a ShotSpotter events that turned out to not be anything that yes, your your putting resources away from, you know, real events.

It's a police department of scarcity, right?

Which is the broader context in which, you know, a lot of these things play out.

>> And we're continue to see, I know that the mayor continually pointing out he wants to hire and plans to hire more detectives.

But that's not necessarily going to be enough to fill that gap to.

Well, have to All right.

>> let's move on to ethics and Hannah, a hung jury in the case against former a TNT.

executive policy, Gaza who he was charged first game which he allegedly bribed former Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan to get a law passed in Springfield by hiring Matic, an ally lobby but not actually lobby.

Right?

It's not your envelope of cash.

In fact, in that's >> that what they use, the word that was used over and over again, to a trial, as you know, is much more sophisticated that.

The allegation is that, yes, a TNT against basically and no work contract to a 20 year veteran of the Illinois House after he retired in 2017.

>> Ally of Matt again.

in in a time when a TNT finally saw an opening to >> past their major legislation end 1930's, their obligation to maintain music, old copper wires that they felt like for holding them back from investing in things like broadband.

And so we are.

And so I in the sport, I think is 4 days of testimony.

We saw, you know, more than a dozen witnesses.

And it was really, really interesting to see that in the first note that the jury sent they had gotten the case Tuesday afternoon on Wednesday morning, they sent out a note to the judge asking something very specific about weather to prove a bribe.

You know it.

You have to actually, you know, get the thing is if the offer that gift.

so it turns out, you know, they they They couldn't reach any sort of resolution even after the judge sent them back yesterday to try again.

>> was just wonder, Credit to of a truck colleagues at the Tribune had tracked down that actually vote to what happened in the jury room and they were caught up in the idea that, you know, the intent was not there.

And so if Paula had intended to drive, but, you know, his defense all along like this was just a blip on the radar and like request came in.

Yes, it came in from a very close confident of Mike Madigan.

But, know, it did not connect in their minds to the legislation that they're trying to pass.

And the jury found that are going to try again.

Well, the parties are going to get in front of a judge on Tuesday to decide next steps forward, which could include a retrial.

But if that does happen, likely wouldn't be scheduled until, you know, probably next year because the next big thing on the docket is Mike Madigan's own that of course, city weeks from now.

What does this mean for Vatican?

Anybody?

It could mean a lot or it could mean nothing.

I I think it's a lot.

It depends on the specific group of 12 people who are in the jury room.

You know, the Tribune had could be that want and so, you know, if you know, maybe with a different group of people, it wouldn't ended that way.

You know, there's a lot more, though.

I in the case of Mike Madigan, there's many, many workouts and you have not just the bribery, but it's also the racketeering charges.

Well, we will all be watching that soon.

They know Hannah, you'll be in the courtroom.

No chip.

It has been a year since Illinois passed a law that will not Tesla but since implemented a law that completely eliminates cash.

But has gone?

>> jail populations for one thing are down, not as much as maybe a lot of people expected here in Cook County.

We're down only out about 5 that were down about 5,000 just a tad over 5,000.

That's only less than 400 less than we had a year ago.

we've a lot millions of dollars have been saved in communities that otherwise would have been spent on bond.

A lot of that money loss to not not finding its way back to the families.

Some Loyola University researchers are studying 21 counties time that the most exhaustive study that's going in the first 6 months after cash, bill's elimination that they counted 6.7 million dollars and avoided by because in those counties warrants for failure to appear in court decreased slightly and crime has not shot this.

What?

This is the big warning that a lot of people in the law enforcement world, prosecutors, sheriffs, the police unions, they're warning that we have all these murders out and that crime would shoot up.

That has not happened.

Now, there's not a in fact, crime, violent crime and property crime have continued to come down.

There's not a causal relationship, but there was not a big surge in crime as a result of eliminating cash bail in Illinois.

It was.

And what are your takeaways room?

Because this is something that is just polluted to detractors.

It said.

>> The sky is truly fall.

Yeah.

And you kind of hear that.

I feel like in other communities that toy with this idea are considerate and it was very interesting to read that.

You know, it's it's it's true that the sky is not falling, you know, really, you don't have, you know, the streets over it in with violent criminals.

And I mean, I also thought it was really interesting, just learning about how you know, prosecutors still do have the option of asking a judge to detain a violent, you know, allegedly violent offender.

I didn't know that.

And that actually, unlike what 60% of those judges have said, yes, OK, 5 judges can brother.

Prosecutors concede petition for it.

And then there's an argument about it now.

And then the judge has the final word.

Is this defendant pretrial?

>> threat to public safety or a threat to flee and not.

Court appointment.

And so it's been most people in the substance in the system, including prosecutors, say that it's working pretty well.

They've been working it Do not all Hannah right.

We have some prosecutors who say that the list of offenses that you rescuers were able to ask a judge.

>> To detain someone too short.

>> Yeah.

And that's a constant for.

know it's been what, 2 years since we even touched the safety to, you know, and then that to add to that list, but not enough for to satisfy some of those prosecutors.

But, you know, I mean, I think it's now been almost 4 years since general assembly pass S been a year, of course, since the part of this, you capitalization cassville portion at.

But, you know, from the beginning, it's been a failure of communication.

You know, the communication plan was not there from the beginning.

I think there was a lot of folks who were understandably very confused and upset.

I think, you know, it's our colleagues in the media and not all of us did the best job of communicating it.

But I think that was a came from the folks who were trying to put this out.

They did not have the most solid communication plan.

And so it goes back to that when you know, when it's almost 4 years later and people are still confused, people still don't understand.

What did it Que for communicating those concerns and they tell my husband, communication, communicating all comes down to that policy and in person a couple we are out of time are things to everybody in Rhyl Willful Hannah Maisel and Chip Mitchell.

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>> Now, Mariah, we talked a lot about what went on in the city.

What we haven't talked about is >> the mayor won't share whether or not he's going to accept a pay increase.

Yeah, it's pretty silly because this is going to come out in October.

It's affordable information of whether or not city officials are taking this 4.1% increase.

But, you know, >> it's a controversial story.

Public officials good thing for, you know, taking these pay increases in light of a budget hole.

And so maybe it's just like was just delay, you know, the netting off until I don't that, you know, every year, some one thing happens in Springfield because because work, I should know this like much better all You know.

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