So you make presentations.

- I do.

- You have a couple that you really like, and that's what we're talking about.

Main Street, and then you have "The Rise of Main Street, Illinois."

So what's the difference between those two?

Or one is part one, one's part two?

- Well, the first one is general, just tells a story all the way through.

And I needed another vehicle to use up the 50,000 pictures I have.

- Okay.

- I've got a ton of material.

Yeah, counting the other things, 75 or 80,000 pictures.

But Illinois, in that ballpark, and the new one that I put together, I just got that together, started showing it last year.

A little bit of the same stuff leading in, but then I went to how towns are founded, why they're founded, where they were.

You know, they've had access to resource, transportation, originally that was river travel, and then railroads came through and that was the main thing.

Then when the highways came through, it was really more a matter of connecting the towns that were already there along the rivers and the railroad tracks.

- Right.

But some of 'em were left behind.

- Yes, and that is something that is the sad part of driving through these towns for 40 years and seeing them change, and not many of 'em change for the better.

- Right.