>> For mass deportation to a pathway to citizenship, immigration has been a defining issue in this year's presidential campaign.

And while Donald Trump has attempted to distance himself from project 2025, the concert of of Blake Playbook written by some of his key allies outlines recommendations like increasing detention facilities and terminating DACA status for Dreamers.

Kamala Harris has advocated for the bipartisan immigration reform bill that was proposed this year but never made it to a vote.

Joining us to dig deeper into this topic are Chuck in on this chairman of the Chicago Republican Party and former detective of the Chicago Police Department and the southeast president of the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights and executive director of Mano Mano Family Resource Center.

Now.

Thank you both for joining us.

There's a lot to get to Chuck, I want to start with you.

It's no surprise that immigration is one of the country's most complex issues.

What is the Republican Party saying the U.S. needs when it comes to immigration reform?

>> We need to number one, secure our border.

That's the main issue we're having a flood of illegals coming into our country.

Some would say upwards of 10 Million.

And this is just unsustainable financially.

it's just it's just we cannot go forward like this.

We need to start enforcing the border.

>> talking about that, we know for President Trump, President Trump has stated he has nothing to do with project 2025. some of his former advisers like Stephen Miller helped draft the document.

do you think of some of the ideas outline for immigration in the document like mass deportation to terminating several programs.

>> Some of these issues he's talked about himself on the campaign trail.

Obviously he's not embracing project 2025.

So I'm not familiar lines and project 2025. what what we like to call it is America first agenda.

That's what it's called.

And so we're going to get back to protecting the American citizens.

And right now under Biden.

American citizens are not safe with his name.

But what what do you mean by saying America's worst agenda?

What does that look like?

Yeah, protecting American citizens following the law in our country.

>> Which means enforcement of our immigration laws.

We have immigration laws on the books were not enforcing And that's why we see a lot of chaos in our cities.

>> And those who go into your organization's mission is to empower immigrants so they can become active participants in the communities.

What reforms do you think they're needed?

>> Well, obviously what we've been asking for for a long time with ice or a member organizations like mine all its a pathway to legal citizenship, stopping deportations and also not making it difficult for people are coming to the borders that are seeking asylum because they don't feel safe in their country sending more.

Unfortunately, we've been working very these issues on the federal level, sadly to no avail.

But at least here in the state of Illinois, we have been able to make Illinois a welcoming state for immigrants.

And what concerns you about project 2025.

There is a lot of concern.

I believe that this is blueprint to terrorists also to punish people that are not white-supremacist pretty much was just named it what it is.

I believe that using the military to help with mass deportations militarizing the southern border, making it harder for individuals to find a pathway to legal citizenship.

Let's remember trying to this country is made of immigrants and the rhetoric that is being used by the Trump campaign saying that they have absolutely no idea where project 2025 is that they were not involved.

Well, let's just state the facts that 28 Trump loyalists that serve under his administration out of 38.

Where are the ones that worked on this project?

And so for me, obviously, you know, those are the facts.

We know that Trump has talked about it, even Mister Hernandez mention it and the campaign trail.

So obviously, this is a blueprint for Trump.

God forbid he becomes president so that the what happened in the 2016, his transition process was very chaotic.

So this time around there being some smarter about it.

But again, I feel that this these policies, again, there's just to terrorize black and brown communities and it instill fear.

We know what our community members went through when Trump was president.

And so again, this is just reinforcing what we've seen from him, all of and took.

What are your thoughts on what to say is commenting?

you know, she's advocating for sanctuary city.

>> And all this.

But we've seen with sanctuary city has done to Chicago this call caused a lot of chaos in our city.

We don't have the financial resources to take care of these people.

So it's just really horrible that were advertising come into our country coming to our city will welcome.

You will give you free.

Health care will give you free.

Education will give you free housing.

The word is out and people are coming here and we can't afford it.

We can't afford it.

It's pushing up the price of housing in our communities.

We got in some of the black communities and and our city and even in a span of communities, you've got these outsiders coming now, these migrants that are guaranteed housing with money from from the government that is pushing up the cost of rents in these inner city neighborhoods.

So that's hurting people that have been here in our country and live.

Here are some citizens that are paying taxes.

The merits, of course, the is coming from person expands, use anywhere.

Former cop for these things that you would see.

>> And the field, well, the things I've seen in the field are also the flood of narcotics coming across the border.

I seen fentanyl.

I've seen the overdoses I've had.

I've had to investigate.

>> Overdose deaths and I've had to go and drive out to a young person's house and knocked on the door form their mother.

I'm very sorry.

Your son has died of a drug overdose.

These are the kind of things that we need to secure our border.

We need to get back to being serious about the law in this country and enforcing our law.

>> And I want to talk about ice part of 2025 minutes.

It mentions a stronger presence of ice.

What role do you think, Chuck?

They need to play well, part of ICE's.

>> Enforcement write the E stands for enforcement and we have not complied with ICE here in Chicago.

We have not complied with enforcing immigration and we need to get back to enforcing that.

So so it we need.

We do need to deport.

We are going to have to deep or especially the criminal element that is here that not everybody comes here with the purest intentions.

Some people do right.

They come here to work to have a better life.

But there are some that come here that have a criminal background.

stories coming out of and as way love the jails are being emptied and they're being allowed to come here are being encouraged to come here to the United States.

We need to put police our streets and no one is here and deport those era criminals to to what?

What are your thoughts?

What your approach that I should take.

>> Well, first, I would like to interject on the comments, Mr. Hernandez speed about how seeing and how a new rebel side making it.

>> Difficult for others to find housing and how the rent retired going up.

Has he has been an issue for many years way, way before that.

Your rival started coming to this country.

There's a lack of inventory.

There's a lack of equitable way to So that's what we can attribute to new housing prices not being affordable right now, even someone that's a middle income individual can even afford to buy a home.

And that's because of the high interest rates.

So I think that we need to state the facts.

In addition to that, I believe that ICE has served more of again just to instill fear in immigrant communities.

I don't believe that event that helps keep community safe because if community members are afraid to call law enforcement when a cop when a crime is being committed, that doesn't help anybody at the at the end of the day, it increases crime rates because there is no trust between community and law enforcement.

And when we have forced cooperate with ICE, then obviously community members are not going to want to have anything to do.

There is no trust there.

And so that actually makes it even harder to keep communities safe.

The other fact is that we know for studies have been made that actually people born in the United States commit crimes at a higher rate than immigrants.

Newly arrived immigrants.

So I'm just stating the facts here.

I feel I I fear that, you know, giving more power to ice is just and a week of communities, safe.

>> And I want to talk remain in Mexico policy that would keep asylum seekers in Mexico until their case is approved.

Chuck, what is your take on this?

Yeah, I thought there was a successful.

>> Policy that was implemented under Donald Trump.

That was very successful and that that help too, to make the Border Morse able we're able to figure out who was coming in, look at their case and determine whether they would, you know, should be allowed in the and into the U.S.

So those are kind of commonsense policies that American people are looking for.

You know, we we try to turn immigration into a real partisan issue.

But, you know, it's about the protection of our country in the protection of the American citizen and under under.

But Biden and Harris, the American citizen, is that safe?

We can't afford.

This administration for 4 more months.

Let alone 4 more years.

What would it mean to question is what would it look like?

What changes need to be made about the process to become citizenship?

What about people who >> are in line waiting to become citizenship?

would that look like?

Yeah, it should be like it is for everybody else that wants to become a citizen.

They go through the process.

They fill out the paperwork.

They do everything the right way.

We should not be giving any kind of a.

Any kind of it for us for somebody that violates our law.

We cannot give them the benefit.

You know, they they need to do it like everybody to.

What are your last thoughts?

>> Well, I'd like Mister Hernandez Icer and a delegation of member organizations and faith leaders.

We did go to the border and the motives when remain in Mexico was put in place.

And we saw just the dehumanizing mothers and children and living in squalor.

You know, some LGBTQ community being taken advantage of sexually assaulted.

it was a pretty horrific scene.

Again, we have keep in mind that the United States have has played a big part in foreign policy and wine.

These people are coming to the United States because