>>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

AS THE COURT FIGHTS OVER THE LOCALITY OVER THE PENDOT A SPECIAL ELECTION CONTINUE ACTIVISTS ON BOTH SIDES PREPARE THEIR CAMPAIGNS.

VOTERS WILL DECIDE WHETHER TO MAKE IT HARDER TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.

IF APPROVED THE AMENDMENT PROCESS WOULD HAVE TOUGHER PETITION SIGNATURE REQUIREMENTS AND AMENDMENTS WOULD HAVE TO WIN WITH A 60% MARGIN BUT ONE THING WE KNOW FOR SURE IS TURNOUT WILL BE LOW FOR A MIDSUMMER ELECTION.

HOW LOW IS THE QUESTION.

YOU WROTE ABOUT WHAT REPUBLICANS THINK TURNOUT COULD BE BOTH PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY.

WHAT ARE THEY SAYING?

>> DEPENDS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL OR PREPARE FOR THE ACTUAL OUTCOME.

THEY SAID THEY'RE TELLING LOCAL PARTY OFFICIALS BASICALLY THEY EXPECT IT TO BE AN 8-12% TURNOUT IN A STATEWIDE ELECTION IN WHICH THERE IS NO DIRECT PRECEDENT FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING THIS YEAR, BUT THAT WOULD BE HISTORICALLY LOW LEVELS BE VERY LOW TYPICALLY IN AUGUST WITH THEM VOTING ON LOCAL LIQUOR ISSUES AND STAYED IN SCHOOL LOVELIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY HAVE TO PREPARE BASICALLY.

IF IT WAS A LARGER TURNOUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PERSUADE PEOPLE.

THEY WILL TRY TO FOCUS ON TURNING ON THE VOTERS AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE DOING.

'S BEAM OF WHAT CONSTITUTES OR WHAT WOULD A SUCCESSFUL TURN OUTLOOK LIKE CONSIDERING HOW HISTORICALLY LOW >> IF YOUR SIDE WINS IT'S A GREAT TURNOUT.

THIS IS VERY MUCH INTO NOWHERE LAND.

IT'S HARD TO PREDICT BECAUSE AUGUST ELECTIONS --I WAS ON BOARD OF ELECTIONS.

AUGUST ELECTIONS ARE VERY RARE AND LACK OF AUGUST WE HAD -- THE TURNOUT MAY BE GOD THE DOUBLE DIGITS.

THE OTHER WILDCARD IN THIS WHOLE THING.

MAY BE THE GASOLINE ON THE FIRE IS THE FACT THAT I THINK EACH SITE IS GOING TO HAVE TO MINIMUM SPEND 10-12 MILLION.

THERE WILL BE A LOT ON TV AND WILL PEOPLE BE WATCHING SEAMY --TV DURING THE VACATION TIME?

WILDCARD UPON WILDCARD.

>> WE HAVE A WRENCH INTO ALL OF THIS WITH A RULING ON THURSDAY FROM THE STATE SUPREME COURT'S REJECTING THE ATTEMPT TO BASICALLY STOP IN ITS TRACKS THE STATE PROPOSED ABORTION AMENDMENT.

WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THAT RULING?

>> NO.

IN FACT THAT WAS BUT THAT IS THE APPETIZER.

A FEW CRUMBS ON A COOKIE TRAY.

THE BIG MAN EVENT ARE THE DECISION STILL BEFORE THE OHIO SUPREME COURT ON WHETHER THEY CAN HAVE IN AUGUST ELECTION OR NOT AND THEN THERE IS AN ISSUE ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IF IT IS ACCURATE OR COMPLETE ENOUGH SO THERE ARE STILL BIG ISSUES TO COME AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO HEAR FROM THE OHIO SUPREME COURT IN THE NEXT 7-10 DAYS BECAUSE THE ELECTION WILL GET PREPARED.

GOOD NEWS FOR THE BOARDS OF ELECTIONS IS THERE IS NO PELVIC ROTATION TO WORRY ABOUT.

KNOWLEDGE OF DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.

ONLY ONE ISSUE IN FAIRLY SIMPLE.

NO SPLIT PRECINCTS OR DISTRICT LINES THAT ARE NEW, SO IT'S STILL CHALLENGING FOR THEM AND THE VOTERS, BUT ONE ISSUE WILL MAKE IT EASILY.

>> WHAT DID THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION TELL YOU ABOUT THIS EFFORT TO IN TRYING ABORTION- RIGHTS IN OHIO AND WHERE DO THINGS STAND?

THE VOTERS AND GETTING BACK TO THE AUGUST SPECIAL ELECTION.

THE FACT THAT THE GROUP LEADING THIS EFFORT TO SECURE THIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT IMMEDIATELY PIVOTED WHEN THE THRESHOLD CHANGE WAS MADE AND CONNECTING A VERY PROCEDURAL THING.

YOU DO NOT REALLY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON TO THE ABORTION ISSUE, SO THAT WILL HELP.

IT WILL BE A LOW TURNOUT ELECTION.

IT WILL BE THE BASE BOATERS.

IF THEY KNOW THIS IS NOT JUST AN INDEPENDENT PROCEDURAL DECISION AND ACTUALLY TIED TO SOMETHING THAT MANY CONSIDER TO BE A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT IS THE BEST HOPE YOU HAVE OF TRYING TO TURN OUT THOSE NUMBERS.

>> IS THAT CONNECTION BEING MADE OR IS THERE STILL A LOT OF WORK ON THAT SITE IF YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE THAT CASE?

>> THERE IS A TON OF WORK TO DO.

IT'S NOT EASY TO GIVE THEM ATTENTION, BUT HE HAD TO MAKE THAT MESSAGING HAS STARTED FROM THE COALITION, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO PUT IT ON SOCIAL OR AND ADDS.

HAS TO BE A FULL ONE TO MEET WHERE THEY ARE AT TO HAVE ANY HOPE .

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF REGULAR PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE.

I HAD A COUPLE SAYING WHAT IS THIS A 60% THING?

BECAUSE WE AS INSIDERS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING IT, BUT AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THE STATE THIS IS SOMETHING NEW AND IN AUGUST ELECTION.

WHAT'S IT ABOUT ?

IN JULY THE MONEY WILL RAMP UP .

THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DEBATE OVER WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG ABOUT THESE ISSUES.

>> HE WROTE ABOUT OPPONENTS ARGUING THAT REPUBLICANS ON THIS ISSUE WON THE AUGUST SPECIAL ELECTION.

BREAKING WITH RECENT PRECEDENT IN THE BALLOT LANGUAGE CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT BRIEFLY?

>> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE CASES AND THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS AND BE 60% WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SAYS THAT ACCURATELY IT WOULD SET THE .

IT DESCRIBES HOW IT WOULD REQUIRE THE SIGNATURES YOU HAVE TO COLLECT TO GET ONTO THE BALLOT FROM ALL COUNTIES.

WHAT IT DOES NOT HAVE IS SPECIFYING IT IS 50% AND THE CURRENT REQUIREMENT IS HALF OF THE COUNTIES.

THERE IS A THIRD COMPONENT TOO.

THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THIS IS ARGUING THAT BY SETTING THE LANGUAGE THAT WAY THEY ARE BREAKING A PRECEDENT.

THERE WAS A REDRESSED FISHING -- EXPANDING -- OR RIGHTS FOR CRIME VICTIMS BE THEY WOULD BASICALLY SAY THIS IS A CHANGE AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DID IN THAT CASE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LEADING SUPPORTER OF THE SPECIAL ELECTION IS A MAN WHO DENOUNCED AUGUST ELECTIONS A FEW MONTHS AGO.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE WAS SEEN AS A MORE REASONABLE REPUBLICAN BY MOST OBSERVERS AT THE STATE HOUSE, BUT SINCE HE STARTED I HAS TAKEN INCREASINGLY CONTROVERSIAL POSITIONS.

RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT ELECTION SECURITY AND OTHER STATES.

CHANGING HIS MIND ON AUGUST ELECTIONS, AS WE SAID PER HE LEADS THE EFFORT TO AFFORD A POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS BY REQUIRING A 60% MAJORITY TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE SHIFT ON CERTAIN ISSUES?

>> WELCOME TO AMERICA.

WHEN IT IS PRIMARY TIME PEOPLE SHIFT LEFT OR RIGHT ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE IT'S A PRIMARY AND THAT AUDIENCE IS MORE NARROW.

CLEARLY THE SENATE RACE IS GOING TO BE MORE ABOUT MONEY AND IDEOLOGY, BUT WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THE SENATE PRIMARY.

THE FACT HE HAS SHIFTED ON SOME POSITIONS.

THE INSIDERS TALK ABOUT IT BUT MOST REAL PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO BE IN THE SENATE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ON INFLATION AND THE BUDGET IN SOCIAL SECURITY?

THOSE ARE THE BIGGER ISSUES.

>> HE IS CERTAINLY APPEALING TO A BASE THAT EXPECTS A CERTAIN VOCABULARY OR LANGUAGE TO COME FROM THEIR CANDIDATE, RIGHT?

>> IT IS AMERICA AND THAT IS WHAT PRIMARIES ARE ABOUT.

THEY EACH GO TO THEIR BASE LEFT OR RIGHT.

>> OF THE FUNDRAISING MAIL WAS SORT OF MENTAL CLOCK EMAIL FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE.

IT SET OFF SOME ALARM BELLS.

>> YEAH.

I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE I WOULD CONTRAST HIM WITH LET'S SAY A RECENT CANDIDATE WILL REPUBLICAN SENATOR CANDIDATE IN OHIO WHO DID SOME FLIP-FLOPPING ON WHO HE SUPPORTED FOR PRESIDENT AND THIS AND THAT.

THEY HAVE A REPUTATION WHETHER WE AGREE IT'S A VALID REPUTATION OR NOT ON ELECTION INTEGRITY AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE SECURING THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE.

I AM SKEPTICAL OF THOSE BEING TRUE, BUT THAT HAS BEEN HIS REPUTATION.

>> IT IS KIND OF A NUANCE A SUBJECT THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TO START RECORDING THIS STUFF, BUT I IMAGINE WE WILL SEE SOME PEOPLE TRYING TO FACE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS SOON AS IT HAPPENS.

>> THIS GROUP THAT THEY ARE RAISING MONEY FOR IS TECHNICALLY NOT AS SUPER PACK.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE?

>> CANDIDATES NEED MONEY.

WHEN YOU ARE NOT A MEGA MILLIONAIRE LIKE SOME OF THEM ARE YOU HAVE TO BE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE, AND THAT IS JUST POLITICS 101 BECAUSE AN ESTATE AS BIG AS OJAI WITH NEARLY 11 MILLION PEOPLE AND ALL OF THE MAJOR MARKETS WE HAVE TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO RUN AND ALSO WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, AS THE PREVIOUS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR WAS KNOWN --IT IS HARD TO GET KNOWN ALL OVER THE STATE.

HE HAS HIRED NAME ID BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE DEEP FINANCIAL POCKETS AS THE OTHER MAIN PRIMARY OPPONENTS.

>> IF HE HAS CULTURED A REPUTATION OF A MODERATE REPUBLICAN --I AM CURIOUS TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT HIS APPROACH MIGHT BE .

WHETHER THIS RUN TO THE RIGHT MAKES SENSE OR MORE OF WHAT HIS CAREER HAS BEEN SO FAR WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

>> TO CLARIFY, TO ME THERE IS NOTHING MODERATE ABOUT TRYING TO DISENFRANCHISE A LOT OF VOTERS ACROSS THE STATE OF OHIO, WHICH IS PRETTY CLEAR FRANK LAROSE HAS BEEN WILLING TO EMBRACE POLICIES BETTER DOING THAT AND I DO THINK THAT IT'S TRICKY RIGHT NOW TO BE A REPUBLICAN MAKING IT THROUGH A PRIMARY WHERE YOU HAVE A BASE OF VOTERS THAT FOR SOME OF THESE GUYS THAT HAVE BEEN IN OHIO POLITICS OR REPUBLICAN POLITICS LONGER IT DOES NOT JUST --YOU HAVE TO WIN THEM OVER TO MAKE IT TO THE GENERAL.

GOOD LUCK TO HIM, BUT HE IS FACING SOME STIFF COMPETITION IN THE PRIMARY WITH FOLKS WHO ARE BETTER FUNDED.

UNLIKE THEM HE HAS A TRACK RECORD THAT HE WILL HAVE TO >> JOE BIDEN WAS IN HIS PRIMARY FOR PRESIDENT AND KIND OF FAILED AND FAILED AND SUDDENLY IN SOUTH CAROLINA MAGIC HAPPENED.

THAT IS A PART OF WHAT HAPPENS IN PRIMARIES AND WE ARE STILL A LONG WAYS OFF FROM A FILING DEADLINE IN THE MARCH PRIMARY.

>> WE ARE ABOUT A YEAR AWAY FROM THE PRIMARY FOR THE U.S. SENATE ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE.

BROWN WILL NOT FACE SERIOUS OPPOSITION TO THE REPUBLICAN FIELD REMAINS WITH TWO OFFICIAL CANDIDATES.

AS WE MENTIONED, FRANK LAROSE SEEMS LIKE HE MAY BE THINKING ABOUT A RUN BUT ANOTHER POSSIBLE CANDIDATE HAS SAID NO THANKS.

WARREN DAVIDSON OF SOUTHWEST OHIO HAS SAID NO TO A SENATE RUN BE REFERRING --PREFERRED TO RUN FOR REELECTION AND SAID.

SEEMS LIKE A SITTING CONGRESSMAN WOULD BE A DECENT CANDIDATE WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> YOU CAN BE A BIG THING IN YOUR ONE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, BUT THIS IS A FIXED DATE AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF DAVIDSON.

HE KNOWS THAT PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU ARE IN THE MAJORITY NOW IN CONGRESS SOMETIMES WHERE YOU'RE SETTING IS A DIFFERENT PLACE TO STAY THEN TO ROLL THE DICE AND MAYBE BE OUT OF THE OFFICE TOTALLY.

I THINK FOR THE REPUBLICANS IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE HEADING TO MAY BE THREE MAJOR CANDIDATES AND THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING DIFFERENCES BECAUSE THEY EACH HAVE SOME SKILLS TO BRING TO IT WITH BIG CHECKBOOKS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THEY HAVE VIRTUALLY NO OR ALMOST NONEXISTENT STATEWIDE NAME ID AND THEY HAVE NOT BUILT THE COUNTY ORGANIZATIONS AND CONNECTIONS THE WAY FRANK LAROSE HAS WHEN THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND IN ALL 88 COUNTIES REGULARLY AND ON THE NEWS MEDIA.

THERE ARE BIG DIFFERENCES .

THE QUESTION WILL BE IF IT IS THOSE CANDIDATES WHO HAS THE RIGHT MESSAGE THAT FITS FOR EARLY 2024?

>> DO REPUBLICANS WANT TO SEE A LARGER FIELD OR DO YOU LIKE THREE CANDIDATES?

IS THAT AN IDEAL SPOT?

>> AFTER THE CHAOS OF 2022 AND HAVING TO WATCH THE DEBATES AND SOME CANDIDATES STUMBLE THROUGH THINGS HAVING A NARROWER FIELD AND MORE EXPERIENCE FIELD MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A PLUS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE VOTERS TO SORT OUT AND COMPARE THREE PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO SEVEN.

>> I THINK HIS DECISION PROBABLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT AN OPEN SEAT AS WELL.

SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO TRY TO TAKE OUT BROWN.

THAT IS A FORMIDABLE CHALLENGE.

IT PROBABLY DOES MAKE SENSE TO KEEP THAT APPEAR WHEN YOU'RE FACING FAULTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> SOMETHING THAT EVERY OHIO CONGRESSMAN WANTS TO BE A SENATOR.

AS A RULE OF THUMB SORT OF.

TAKING HIM MORE SERIOUSLY.

WHICH IS A VERY WELL -- ORGANIZATION ON THE RIGHT.

I WAS INTERESTED IN HIS CANDIDACY.

THEY SPENT ABOUT $11 MILLION TRYING TO HELP HIM WIN THE PRIMARY LAST YEAR UNSUCCESSFULLY, BUT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THROWING SERIOUS MONEY BEHIND DAVIDSON POTENTIALLY.

THE QUESTION IS WILL A LOOK AT ANOTHER CANDIDATE OR JUST BOW OUT?

THAT IS WHAT I AM WONDERING ABOUT SINCE HE WON'T BE IN THE RACE.

>> WE HEARD FROM FRANK LAROSE JUST THIS WEEK ABOUT PROBABLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS IS MY UNDERSTANDING AN ANNOUNCEMENT FROM HIM.

HOW IS THIS RACE IS SHAPING UP AND WHEN YOU EXPECT TO HEAR A FINAL WORD FROM HIM ON GETTING INTO THIS THING?

>> HE SAID THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER.

HE SAID THE SUMMER.

HE SAID JUNE.

SOMEWHERE IN THERE YOU WILL PROBABLY ANNOUNCE.

I AM STILL THINKING ABOUT THE QUARTERLY FUNDRAISING DEADLINES.

I FOURNETTE WHEN THE NEXT ONE IS.

IT COULD BE THE END OF JUNE.

DEADLINE.

>> SUMMER MIGHT MEAN LATE SUMMER.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> HE CAN GET A LOT OF MEDIA COVERAGE AND ATTENTION AND TV TIME ALL OVER THE STATE.

>> CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE HE WILL HAVE AN ADVANTAGE IF AND WHEN HE DOES THROW HIS HAT IN THE RING.

>>> THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF MAYORS.

ANOTHER ONE IN COLUMBUS THIS WEEK.

FACING MANY OF THE SAME ISSUES.

RECENT SPIKES IN VIOLENT CRIME.

HOUSING SHORTAGES.

A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SOME CITIES IN THE PUBLIC AND STATE MAINLY FACE PRESSURE FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURES.

REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS AND CONSERVATIVE STATES HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LIMIT CITY'S ABILITIES TO CONTROL GUNS.

IN PLASTIC BAGS AND PROTECT LGBTQ RIGHTS.

A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO A SUBURBAN COLUMBUS DAY REPRESENTATIVE FILED A BILL THAT WOULD RESTRICT COLUMBUS FROM IMPOSING CURFEWS.

IT CAME IN RESPONSE TO THE MAYORS SHORTCUT AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE CITY.

WE ARE GOING TO GET TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE OHIO LEGISLATURE IN A MOMENT, BUT I AM CURIOUS TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THE MAYORS APPROACH WITH THE CURFEW.

>> IT IS A HUGE ISSUE HAVING SO MUCH VIOLENT CRIME GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

OVERALL HISTORICALLY OF COURSE VIOLENT CRIME HAS DECREASED, BUT WE HAVE SEEN YOUNG PEOPLE ENGAGING IN VIOLENCE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BE BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT.

ESPECIALLY AFTER THE PANDEMIC.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF TACTICS WILL BE EFFECTIVE IN ADDRESSING VIOLENCE AND BRINGING AS MANY STAKEHOLDERS AS POSSIBLE INTO THE CONVERSATION INCLUDING BUSINESS OWNERS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS WERE WORKING WITH YOU WHO ARE EXPERIENCING VIOLENCE TO KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT, BUT OVERALL I MEAN --I ACTUALLY THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THIS IN A SITUATION OF HAVING A COMPLEX ISSUE.

WHAT IS THE BEST APPROACH?

AT A MINIMUM I THINK NEED TO HEAR FROM THE MAYOR.

THE HONESTY OF THE COMPETITIVE ISSUE IN THE WHOLE RANGE OF DIFFERENT POLICIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE NECESSARY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> WE HEARD FROM THE MAYOR SAYING BASICALLY HIS HANDS ARE TIED.

I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE AS WELL.

YOUR FEELINGS ON THE EFFORT TO CONTROL OR AT LEAST HAVE MORE OF A SAY FROM A STATE HOUSE AND WHAT GOES ON .

>> I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT.

VIOLENT CRIME IS NOT GOING DOWN IN COLUMBUS.

AS OF TODAY WE ARE AT 69 MURDERS.

PREVIOUSLY THE YEARS BETWEEN I THINK 2005 AND 2020 THE AVERAGE OF 106 MURDERS EACH YEAR BUT WE ARE MUCH ABOVE THE AVERAGE RATE IN COLUMBUS.

IT IS BAD AND OUT OF CONTROL.

THE WHOLE ISSUE.

THERE IS A LOT OF DEBATE IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT APPLIES, BUT ONE OF THE KEY LEGAL PRINCIPLES IS WHAT IS CALLED A STATEWIDE CONCERNED DOCTRINE THAT THE SUPREME COURT HAS INVOKED OVER THE PAST TWO OR THREE DECADES.

THERE IS A QUESTION IS HOW THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT OR THE LEGISLATURE WHICH UNDER THE CONSTITUTIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAWS IN OHIO.

DO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME IN AND SAY THE CITY IS OUT OF LINE AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING WHETHER IT IS PLASTIC BAGS OR RED LIGHT CAMERAS OR THAT KIND OF THING.

THERE IS A QUESTION AND A PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH COLUMBUS IS YOU CAN BE IN COLUMBUS AND DRIVE UP CLEVELAND AVENUE AND GO TO THE GUN SHOP IN CLINTON TOWNSHIP IN THE MIDDLE OF COLUMBUS, BUT SEPARATE TOWNSHIPS --SO CAN SEE LAWS OF THE IMPACT THINGS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS AND CAN THEY BE EFFECTIVE IN STOPPING PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT BY LEGAL GUNS ANYWAY.

>> ON THE LEGAL QUESTION.

LANGUAGE IN OHIO'S CONSTITUTION GRANTS CITY'S AUTHORITY TO EXERCISE ALL POWERS OF LOCAL SELF-GOVERNMENT AS LONG AS LOCAL ORDINANCES DON'T CONFLICT WITH GENERAL LAWS.

HOW HAS THAT BEEN INTERPRETED IN RECENT YEARS?

>> THIS IS A PERENNIAL ISSUE BUT SOMETHING --ONE EXAMPLE I WILL RAISE IS WE SAW STATEWIDE -- THAT KIND OF STEMS FROM A LAW THEY HAD A LOCAL ISSUE AND THE LAWYERS FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE WHEN EXAMINING THE ISSUE WEREN'T SURE A COURT WOULD UPHOLD THAT LAW.

IT BASICALLY POINTS TO THIS IDEA.

THAT PROMPTED THEM TO TRY TO BRING THIS FORWARD.

WHICH IS A SEPARATE CAN OF WORMS ABOUT THAT WHOLE THING.

THERE IS CERTAINLY A PRESIDENT OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE PASSING THESE LAWS AS WE ARE DISCUSSING AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY MAJOR ONE CONSTRUCT DONE RECENTLY.

WE WILL JUST KIND OF SEE, BUT IT HAS BEEN A LONG-STANDING ISSUE IN OHIO.

>>> MOVING ON TO DRILLING FOR OIL AND NATURAL GAS UNDER OHIO STATE --TOOK A STEP FORWARD THIS WEEK.

ON THE FIRST DAY THEY RECEIVED EIGHT APPLICATIONS TO DRILL ON STATE LAND.

STATE LAWMAKERS ALLOWED FOR DRILLING ON STATE LAND 12 YEARS AGO, BUT NOT UNTIL THIS YEAR THAT LEGISLATORS FORCED THE STATE TO START THE PROCESS.

THE PLAN IS DRILLERS WOULD SET A BRIGGS OUTSIDE OF STATE PARKS AND USE HYDRAULIC CRACKING TO RUN DRILLS UNDER THE PARKLAND.

ANDREW, HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK, AND HOW IS THE STATE OR WHY IS THE STATE --TO GET STARTED?

>> I JUST ASSUME THAT PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE STATE WERE DRAGGING THEIR FEET ON ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING THIS AND THAT THE LEGISLATURE LAST YEAR PASSED A LAW THAT REQUIRED WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN ESSENTIALLY TO EFFECTUATE THIS.

THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THE BILL.

INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE THINGS HE CARES THE MOST ABOUT HIS PARKS.

HE LIKES TO GO AND CUT RIBBONS AND LIKE THEY HELD AT THE STATE PARK A BIG NEW VISITOR CENTER.

YOU CAN TELL HE ENJOYS IT .

DOES HE ENJOY THE IDEA?

IT'S A LITTLE SURPRISING TO ME AS FAR AS KNOWING WHAT I KNOW ABOUT HOW HE APPROACHES THAT.

WE DID SEE THAT THERE IS A MAJOR OUT-OF-STATE COMPANY TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY TRYING TO PAY UP TO $2 BILLION TO HAVE THE MINERAL RIGHTS OR THE DRILLING RIGHTS RATHER.

I DO NOT KNOW BE JUST AN INTERESTING SITUATION AND WE ARE FINALLY SEEING IT COME TO FRUITION.

>> A DISTINCTION.

KIND OF DRILLING ON STATE PARKLANDS VERSUS ADJACENT TO -- THE GOVERNOR HAS SAID NO TO THE PROPOSITION OF ACTUALLY ON STATE PARKS.

THAT COULD CHANGE WITH FUTURE ADMINISTRATIONS?

>> OUT.

IT IS ACTUALLY CONNECT INTO THE ISSUE WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT THAT IS RUN BY REPUBLICANS THAT JUST DO NOT SEEM TO WANT TO FOCUS ON THE KEY ISSUES THAT ARE FACING US AND REALLY A LINE WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE AT.

I THINK WHAT HE IS SAYING IS RIGHT.

THIS IS THE GOVERNOR'S POSITION.

I THINK HE IS ALIGNED WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ATOPY WE NEED TO HAVE GREEN STATES.

IT'S A NO-BRAINER.

THIS IS NOT POLITICAL.

WE CANNOT LET THE ENTIRE STATE BE UP FOR SALE TO ANY OUTSIDE PLAYER WHO IS LOOKING FOR A QUICK BUCK.

>> SOMETIMES AND POLITICS BEING SLOW AND NOT MOVING FAST IS GOOD.

THE OTHER THING A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS YOU CAN DO HORIZONTAL DRILLING, SO THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT SAFELY.

NOBODY INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR WANTS A BIG OIL DRILLING KIND OF THING.

GIVEN TODAY'S I THINK RAISE IN ELECTRIC RATES WITH 28% WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NATURAL GAS AND OTHER RESOURCES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ELECTRICITY FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE AS MUCH AS THE GREEN ENERGY IS GOOD WIND AND SUN --IT DOES NOT WERE VERY GO AT NIGHT .

WE NEED NATURAL GAS FROM OHIO AND AGAIN IF YOU CAN DO IT RESPONSIBLY THAT CAN WORK OUT WELL.

>> I REALLY HAVE TO PUSH BACK BECAUSE WE ARE NOT EVEN HAVING REAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT TRUE RENEWABLE ENERGY INVESTMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WE HAVE IN OHIO STATE LEGISLATURE AND A GOVERNMENT THAT IS TRICKING THE PEOPLE OF OHIO AND MAKING THEM THINK WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME SMALL INVESTMENTS, BUT WE WILL LET OUTSIDE COMPANIES INVEST IN DRILLING IN OUR PARKLAND AND WE HAVE NO STRATEGY FOR HOW TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

WE NEED REAL LEADERSHIP.

PLASTIC BAGS.

MAKING SURE WE DO NOT HAVE LITTER.

WHAT IS THE POLICY RATIONALE?

>> PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE 20% INCREASE IN THE ELECTRIC RATES AND THERE ARE BIGGER DISCUSSIONS WE CAN DO ANOTHER DAY ON THIS.

>> WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

TIME FOR THE FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

>> TERRY AND I ALWAYS COME TOGETHER ON A ROOM IN THE END.

I AM 100% IN AGREEMENT THAT THE PRICE INCREASE FOR ELECTRICITY BILLS THAT ARE COMING ARE EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC AND WE NEED PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT PCO HAS THE POWER TO STOP THE ADDITIONAL RATE INCREASES THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING FOR 2024.

>> GOOD POINTS.

>> WITHOUT A REVIEW OF THE ECONOMY WOULD CRASH.

THEY DID COME UP WITH A DEAL BIPARTISAN THE INCLUDING WITH REPUBLICANS, BUT I HATE TO TELL YOU IN 10 YEARS WE ARE STILL HEADED TO A $50 TRILLION DEFICIT THAT IS REALLY WELL OVER 100 TRILLION WHEN YOU COUNT ALL THE ON PROMISED OR PROMISED BUT UNFUNDED PENSIONS BENEFITS THEY HAVE DONE .

WE HAVE MOVED THE GOALPOST BUT HAVE NOT SOLVED THE PROBLEM.

>> I WILL BOUNCE OFF OF THAT.

ABOUT THAT.

THERE WAS A 16-0 VOTE .

NOT SURE I HAVE REALLY SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.

>> THAT IS GOING TO DO IT FOR COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD THIS WEEK.

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