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>>> THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT ENTERED INTO A CONSENT DECREE FIVE YEARS AGO AND THE OVERHAUL WAS PROMPTED BY THE 2014 MURDER OF A TEENAGER, McDONALD, BY A CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER.

SOME ARE CALLING THE CONSENT DECREE SLUGGISH.

JOINING US MORE , SHARON FROM UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO LAW SCHOOL WHO PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR FROM THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW AUTHORITY.

ROBERT BOYD, HEAD OF CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING AND REFORM AND VICE PRESIDENT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE CIVIC COMMUNITY OF CHICAGO.

SHEILA BAY, SHE CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CONSENT DECREE LITIGATION.

AND MARK, 39 YEAR VETERAN OF CPD AND MOST RECENTLY A MATTER OF THE 19th DISTRICT ON THE NORTH SIDE.

PRIOR TO THAT, HE WAS LIAISON TO THE PUBLIC DEPARTMENT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION OF THE DEPARTMENT.

WE INVITED THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO JOIN BUT THEY DENIED OUR REQUEST.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

CPD UNDER 5% OF FULL COMPLIANCE.

JOE FERGUSON RECENTLY VOICING HIS CONCERNS WITH THE CONSENT DECREE BEING IN DANGER OF FAILING ALTOGETHER.

I WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS FROM EACH OF YOU ON HOW THE CHICAGO POLICE ARE DOING WITH COMPLIANCE.

SHARON, LET'S START WITH YOU, PLEASE.

>> IT IS ONE REPORT AFTER ANOTHER THAT SHOWS THE CITY IS UNDERPERFORMING WITH EXPECTATIONS THEY, THEMSELVES, SET YOUR IT IS NOT SURPRISING THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT IT , FOR SURE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MONITOR'S REPORT, SHE ATTRIBUTED THIS TO A NUMBER OF FACTORS.

STAFFING IS ONE OF THEM , SUPERVISION, AND WEAKNESSES WHEN IT COMES TO DATA MANAGEMENT AND ANALYSIS.

THOSE ARE THE AREAS THEY NEED TO FOCUS ON TO GET THEMSELVES BACK UP TO SPEED.

>> I THINK IT IS A MIXED BAG.

I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT POLICY DEVELOPMENT, CPD HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT TRAINING, THEY ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ROAD BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, REFORM ISN'T BEING SEEN ON THE STREET.

RESIDENTS OF CHICAGO ARE NOT SEEING POLICING THAT IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT WAS YEARS AGO AND IN THAT REGARD, MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE .

AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT.

CONSENT DECREES TAKE ABOUT 11 YEARS ON AVERAGE.

WE ARE IN YEAR FIVE.

THAT IS NO EXCUSE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT TO EXPECT.

>> SHEILA BAIR ?

>> I AGREE WITH SHARON AND BOB.

SLUGGISH IS A DEBUNK STATEMENT.

IS NOT ABOUT CHECKING BOXES WERE GOING THROUGH A NUMBER OF POLICIES OR TRAINING.

IT IS ABOUT CHANGING THE EXPERIENCE BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE HAVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS MOST DISTRESSING THAT THE MONITOR DOES, IT DOES A SURVEY, A FOCUS GROUP AND THE MOST RECENT FOCUS GROUP WAS WITH YOUNG BLACK AND LATINX MAN AND THE FINDINGS WERE DEVASTATING IN TERMS OF HOW OFTEN THEY HAVE NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS AND HOW THREATENING THE POLICE ARE AND BEING OVER POLICED AND UNDER PROTECTED AND THAT IS THE MEASURE OF THE FAILURES.

>> MARC BUSLIK , SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

>> THERE IS A MORE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE FOR ME.

THIS CONSENT DECREE PROCESS DID NOT HAVE THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AS PLAINTIFF.

INSTEAD THEY HAD THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THAT WAS A REAL LOSS TO THE CITY BECAUSE DOJ, THROUGH THEIR EXPERIENCE, UNDERSTOOD HOW TO GIVE POLICE DEPARTMENT A CHANCE TO CHANGE THEIR CULTURE AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DIDN'T PAY OUT THE EXPERTISE AND THE EXPERIENCE TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE NOT JUST REFORM IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.

THAT IS EASY TO FIX WHAT'S BROKEN, BUT RATHER THIS DEPARTMENT AND THE RAILS HEADING TOWARD TRANSFORMATION AND I THINK THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM HERE.

>> BOB, WHEN YOU HEADED CONSENT DEGREE COMPLIANCE, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WERE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES TO IMPLEMENTING CHANGE?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST WHAT WE FIND IN TERMS OF SUCCESSFUL REFORM EFFORTS, POLICE REFORM EFFORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, LEADERSHIP IS NUMBER ONE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE VISION AT THE TOP DRIVING EVERYTHING YOU DO.

AS SHEILA MENTIONED, COMPLIANCE WAS VIEWED AS A CHECKBOX EXERCISE AND AS A RESULT, YOU LOSE THE MEANING OF WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO OCHER UNDER CONSENT DECREE.

RIGHT NOW IS A REAL PIVOTAL MOMENT.

WE HAVE A NEW SUPERINTENDENT ABOUT TO TAKE THE HELM , GIVEN HE IS CONFIRMED.

IT IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO RESET EXPECTATIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

I WILL SAY FROM THE FIRST PRESS CONFERENCE THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT HAD, HE DEFINITELY SHOWS A DEPTH THAT WE HAVE BEEN MISSING.

I AM ENCOURAGED BY WHERE WE ARE MOVING.

>> MARC?

>> IF I COULD JUST JUMP IN AND SAY I AGREE WITH MARC .

THE DOJ BRING EXPERTISE AND YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WORKING ON REFORMS OF THIS NATURE, SO THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE ISSUE.

I AGREE WITH BOB.

LEADERSHIP IS TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT FOR ANY ORGANIZATION THAT NEEDS FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE.

THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION OF 13,000 PEOPLE.

TO SHIFT THAT KIND OF ORGANIZATION , IT HAS TO COME FROM THE TOP .

>> IF I COULD JUMP IN WITH A DISAGREEMENT , THERE IS NOTHING MAGICAL ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS BEEN A PLAINTIFF IN CONSENT DECREES .

EVERY ONE OF THE DOJ CONSENT DECREES HAS TAKEN AT LEAST 10 YEARS, IF NOT LONGER.

I THINK ONE OF THE REAL ISSUES HERE IS THE INTRACTABILITY OF THE OPPOSITION TO THIS CONSENT DECREE FROM RANK AND FILE, THE POLITICAL OPPOSITION TO THESE CHANGES IS IN SOME WAYS UNIQUE TO CHICAGO.

THE OTHER THING THE CHICAGO DECREE DOESN'T HAVE , LIMITS ON POLICE POWER, LIMITS ON POLICE POWER TO ARREST IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS , THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALTERNATIVE TO THE FORMAL CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM.

SOME OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL DECREES HAVE THOSE PROVISIONS AND HOURS DOESN'T HAVE THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ABOUT THE DOJ AS MUCH AS IT IS ABOUT THE DECREES .

>> I AGREE IT IS NOT ABOUT THE DOJ AND I THINK THE ILLINOIS ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS BEEN UP TO THE TASK.

I DISAGREE, HOWEVER, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RANK AND FILE ARE SOMEHOW , YOU KNOW, SITTING BEHIND THE SCENES AND ARE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP STIFF OPPOSITION TO CHANGE.

AGAIN, I COME BACK TO THE LEADERSHIP POINT.

I THINK WHEN OFFICERS ARE MEASURED AGAINST CERTAIN THINGS, THE CORRECT THINGS, THEY WILL DO THEM.

WHEN OFFICERS ARE ASKED TO DO CERTAIN THINGS AND THEY ARE REINFORCED BY LEADERSHIP, I THINK THEY WILL DO THEM HERE I THINK THAT HAS BEEN MISSING FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THIS IS THE TIME TO TURN THE PAGE.

>> MARC , IT SEEMS WE TALKED A GOOD PICK -- THAT ABOUT SEATTLE, L.A., NEW ORLEANS, BALTIMORE ALL HAVING HAD OR HAVE CONSENT DECREES .

ARE THEY MAKING MORE PROGRESS NECESSARILY?

>> WELL, I THINK THEY ARE ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN UNDER DECREES FOR LONGER.

IT IS A LENGTHY PROCESS AND IT IS NOT AS MUCH ABOUT PARAGRAPHS IN A LEGAL DOCUMENT OR CHECKING BOXES AS IT IS ABOUT CHANGING THE CULTURE OF THE ORGANIZATION.

IN SOME CASES , IT HAS BEEN A NEGATIVE CULTURE .

THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.

AS BOB SAID , CULTURE BEGINS WITH THE LEADERS IN THE ORGANIZATION .

BUT THAT IS WHERE IT BEGINS AND SOME AGENCIES ARE MORE ADAPTABLE TO THAT CULTURE CHANGE .

IT IS NOT ABOUT FIXING THE BROKEN THINGS, BUT ASKING THE QUESTION, WHERE DO WE WANT TO