>> THIS V.P.T.

PRODUCTION IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE WYANT FUND, PROMOTING CANADIAN AND U.S.

CROSS BORDER PRO FRAM GRAMS AND PROJECTS.

>> WILLIAM METCALFE HAS HAD TWO DISTINCT SIMULTANEOUS CAREERS, AS A U.V.M.

PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AND CANADIAN STUDIES, AND AS A MUSIC AND CHORAL IMPRESARIO, PERFORMER, HISTORIAN, AND CONDUCTOR.

BILL METCALFE UP NEXT ON "PROFILE."

METCALFE >>> WILLIAM METCALFE WAS BORN IN TORONTO.

AFTER ATTENDING THE UNIVERSITY THERE, HE CAME TO THE STATES FOR A MASTER'S AND PH.D.

AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

BUT ANOTHER CROSS-BORDER STATE UNIVERSITY CLAIMED HIM.

DURING HIS 35 YEAR TENURE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT, METCALFE CHAIRED THE HISTORY AND MUSIC DEPARTMENTS.

AS DIRECTOR OF CANADIAN STUDIES AT U.V.M.

AND 16 YEAR EDITOR OF THE AMERICAN REVIEW OF CANADIAN STUDIES, HE GARNERED A NATIONAL REPUTATION AND SEVERAL DISTINGUISHED INTERNATIONAL HONORS.

METCALFE CO-FOUNDED THE U.V.M.

BAROQUE ENSEMBLE AND THE VERMONT MOZART FESTIVAL.

HE FOUNDED THE ORIANA SINGERS OF VERMONT AND THE VERMONT GILBERT AND SULLIVAN SINGERS, ACTING AS DIRECTOR, CONDUCTOR AND PERFORMER.

METCALFE AND HIS WIFE, ELIZABETH, A PROFESSIONAL PIANIST, HAVE TWO CHILDREN AND LIVE IN BURLINGTON.

HE'S A RATHER PROLIFIC WRITER, TOO.

>> WE CAN ONLY PUT SO MUCH INTO THAT INPRODUCTION.

WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES FOR YOUR ADVANCED DEGREES?

SCHOLARSHIP INVOLVED HERE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

FOLLOW THE MONEY, AS THEY SAY.

YEAH, I GOT A -- A WOODROW WILSON AWARD, A LOT OF THEM IN THOSE DAYS FOR BEGINNING GRADUATE STUDENTS, AND ONE OF THE CARDINAL RULES THAT THE WILSON PEOPLE HAD WAS THAT YOU COULD NOT GO BACK TO YOUR UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTION.

AND AT THAT TIME, AND FOR A LONG TIME, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY THIS, I WILL IRRITATE ALL OF MY FRIENDS WHO DID NOT GO TO THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO, BUT THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO WAS WAY AHEAD THE BEST PLACE TO GET A PH.D.

IN CANADA.

I WANTED TO CONTINUE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO, AND WILSON SAID NO, NO, NO.

WE CAN'T BREAK THAT RULE.

SINCE LIZ AND I WERE ABOUT TO GET MARRIED AND GO OFF SOMEWHERE, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GO OFF TO MINNESOTA.

>> GREAT.

AND YOU CAME HERE AFTER FINISHING YOUR PH.D., CAME TO THE UNIVERSITY OF VERMONT.

WERE YOU HIRED TO TEACH BOTH MUSIC AND HISTORY?

YOU ALWAYS HAVE HAD THESE DUEL CAREERS, WAS THAT THEIR INTENTION AS WELL?

>> NO, NO, NO, THE LAST THING FROM MY MIND AND THEIR MIND -- NO, I WAS HIRED JUST IN THE HISTORY DEPARTMENT TO TEACH EUROPEAN HISTORY AND ENGLISH HISTORY, AND BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO HAD BEEN TEACHING CANADIAN HISTORY FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS WAS ON THE BRINK OF RETIREMENT, I REALLY WAS HIRED BECAUSE I COULD TEACH CANADIAN HISTORY.

SO I CAME TO DO THAT.

MY ADVISOR HAD VERY GENEROUSLY TOLD THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HIRING ME, SAM AND HAROLD SCHULTZ WHO WERE THE PEOPLE OUT THERE HIRING FOR THE DEPARTMENT, THAT I COULD TEACH CANADIAN HISTORY.

THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW ANY REASON WHY I COULDN'T TEACH CANADIAN HISTORY, WHICH WAS HARDLY THE GREATEST RECOMMENDATION IN THE WORLD, BUT -- >> AND YOU STARTED THE CANADIAN STUDIES PROGRAM.

>> I DIDN'T START IT.

TED STARTED IT.

HE SHOWED UP -- I LIVED IN THIS TINY LITTLE BOOK CARROLL, CALLED WATERMAN STACKS, THEY HAD BEEN A LIBRARY AT ONE TIME, AND I LIVED IN THIS LITTLE CUBICLE WITH THE WASPS IN THE SPRING, AND ONE DAY I LOOKED UP AND HERE WAS THIS GUY STANDING IN THE ENTRANCE, AND THAT WAS TED, AND HE INTRODUCED HIMSELF AND HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO START A CANADIAN STUDIES PROGRAM.

YOU'RE PART OF IT.

>> ONE OF THE FIRST IN THE COUNTRY, IF NOT THE FIRST.

>> IT IS CLOSE.

>> FAIRLY.

>> A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THAT.

>> OKAY.

WE WILL MOVE ON THEN.

>> IT WAS AN EARLY ONE.

WE WERE PIONEERS AND TED WAS THE DIRECTOR FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND I WAS SORT OF HIS ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, WHATEVER.

AND THEN I BECAME THE DIRECTOR.

>> AND REGIONALLY, U.V.M., SUNY PLATTSBURG AND I GUESS THE UNIVERSITY OF MAINE ALL HAVE PROGRAMS STILL.

WHY SPECIFICALLY CANADIAN STUDIES SO REALLY IMPORTANT, AND WHY HERE AT U.V.M., IT SEEMS LIKE THE UNIVERSITY AS BEEN AMBIVALENT A LITTLE BIT TO TAKE IT.

>> THE UNIVERSITY IS QUICK TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE QUICK TO SUPPORT IT, BUT TO BE FAIR TO U.V.M., THEY DID SUPPORT IT FOR 35 YEARS, 30 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY HELPED THOSE OF US WHO WORKED IN CANADIAN STUDIES TO MAKE IT REALLY INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED, I HATE TO USE THE WORD EXCELLENCE, BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU HEAR ANYBODY AT THE UNIVERSITY TALK ABOUT EXCELLENCE, YOU KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER YOUR EYES SOMEHOW.

WE WERE A REAL CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE UNITED STATES.

WE WERE RECOGNIZED AS SUCH BY THE U.S.

DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WHEN THEY WERE GIVING OUT GRANTS.

MY ANSWER SORT OF IS THAT PLAY ON MY ADVISOR'S COMMENT, HE DIDN'T KNOW ANY REASON WHY I COULDN'T TEACH CANADIAN.

I SAY IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO CANADA?

I WOULD BE HARDER PRESSED TO FIND A REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A CANADIANS STUDIES PROGRAM THAN TO SAY WHY WE SHOULD.

IT IS SO OBVIOUS.

YOU COULD PRACTICALLY THROW A BASEBALL INTO CANADA FROM HERE.

MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF TRADE GOING BACK ON FORTH ACROSS THE BORDER ALL OF THE TIME.

USED TO BE THAT ONE THIRD OF THE VERMONT POPULATION CAME FROM QUEBEC AND WAS BASICALLY DESCENDED FROM FRENCH CANADIAN QUEBEC ROOTS.

YOU NAME IT.

WHY SHOULDN'T WE?

OF ALL OF THE PLACES IN THE U.S., WE ARE ONE OF THREE OR FOUR WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO HAVE A CANADIAN STUDIES PROGRAM.

>>> DO YOU THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING OF CANADA CHANGED AFTER 9/11?

AND ONE, WE REALIZED THEY HAD VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS FROM US.

>> YES, YES.

I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT ALL OF THESE YEARS OF TREMENDOUS ACTIVITY IN CANADIAN STUDIES IN THE UNITED STATES, BY COLLEAGUES OF OURS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY THE NORTHERN TIER STATES, I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO HAVE WORKED HARD ON CANADIAN STUDIES.

IT IS STILL TRUE THAT AMERICANS DON'T LOOK TO CANADA FOR MAJOR THRILL SCHOLARSHIP.

YOU KNOW, THEY -- THEY'RE MUCH MORE INTERESTED IN THE MIDDLE EAST OR CHINA OR RUSSIA OR WHEREVER THE FLASHPOINTS ARE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, SOUTH AMERICA THEY'RE NOW FINDING IS IN A CONSIDERABLE STATE OF CRISIS, WHICH THEY ARE JUST BEGINNING TO WAKE UP TO.

>> CANADA HASN'T BEEN -- >> CANADA IS CLOSE, CANADA IS COMFORTABLE, SO IT CAME AS A GREAT SHOCK THAT THE CANADIANS DID NOT WANT TO PLUNGE INTO THE COALITION OF THE WILLING.

THEY WERE PART OF THE COALITION OF THE UNWILLING, WHICH, OF COURSE, HAPPENED TO BE PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE WORLD.

YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE WILLING IS PRETTY SMALL COMPARED TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WERE APPALLED BY THE WHOLE OPERATION.

>> DIFFERENT TIMES, 70s, 80s, 90s, ENDS OF THE NEW MILLENNIUM, THAT AMERICANS KNOW MORE OR LESS ABOUT CANADA -- KNOW VERY LITTLE.

>> WELL, THE OLD CLICHE THAT AMERICANS HAVE A BENEVOLENT IGNORANCE ABOUT CANADA, OR CANADIANS HAVE A MANEVOLENT KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE UNITED STATES, I THINK AMERICANS HAVE TRADITIONALLY NOT KNOWN MUCH ABOUT CANADA EXCEPT IN AN ANECDOTAL WAY.

MY GRANDMOTHER AND GRANDFATHER USED TO LITTLE IN ALBERTA.

I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID WE USED TO GO CANOEING.

IT IS THAT SORT OF PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP, WHICH IS ALSO, OF COURSE, PRETTY GOOD, BECAUSE CANADIANS ALWAYS LIKE AMERICANS.

THEY MAY NOT LIKE AMERICAN POLICY, BUT THEY LIKE AMERICANS.

THEY KNOW AMERICANS.

THEY'RE GOOD FRIENDS WITH AMERICANS, AND VICE VERSA.

SO, I MEAN, THAT KIND OF PERSONAL ANECDOTAL RELATIONSHIP IS GOOD AS WELL AS BEING NOT ADEQUATE WHEN YOU HAVE TIMES WHEN YOU REALLY NEED SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THINGS.

>> PROBABLY NAFTA IS ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS WE HEAR ABOUT ON A MORE CONSTANT AND BORDER ISSUES.

HOW DO YOU FEEL NAFTA IS WORKING WITH OUR CANADIAN BUSINESS RELATIONS?

>> WELL, A COUPLE OF BUSINESSMEN IN HERE, WE WILL HAVE TWO OPINIONS, AND THEN I'LL ADD A THIRD DIFFERENT OPINION, AND YOU COULD FEEL FREE TO THROW IN YOURS.

THOSE ISSUES ARE SO COMPLEX NOW, AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE WIN IN A WORLD OF GLOBAL TRADE MOVEMENTS AND GLOBAL MOVEMENTS OF MONEY.

SOMEBODY SNEEZES -- SOMEBODY IN MOSCOW KNOWS, IT HAPPENS QUICKLY.

CERTAINLY CANADIAN GOVERNMENTS FEEL THAT NAFTA HAS BEEN A GOOD THING.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DESCENT ABOUT THAT IN CANADA FOR A WHILE.

JUST AS THERE IS NOW A LOT OF DESCENT HERE IN THE U.S.

AND WE KNOW THIS VERY WELL BECAUSE SENATOR SANDERS AFTER ALL REPRESENTS THAT OPINION, IN PART.

THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU BALANCE A KIND OF FREEDOM OF TRADE AND MAXIMIZING TWO NATIONS OPPORTUNITIES TO PROSPER WITH PROTECTING THE PEOPLE WHO MAY BE YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE GO RIGHT DOWN THE TUBES.

WE LIVE IN VERMONT WHERE MILK IS APPARENTLY AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PRODUCT.

MAYBE NOT MILK, BUT THE COWS SEEM TO BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE ICONIC SYMBOLS OF VERMONT.

WE GET INVOLVED IN PROTECTING THAT INDUSTRY.

AND EVERYBODY IN VERMONT SEEMS TO THINK THAT IS OKAY.

BUT IF THEN YOU SAY WELL CANADIANS ARE PROTECTING WHATEVER, WHEAT, YOU KNOW, GROWN, THAT IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE IT IS IN CANADA.

I THINK THE MORE ONE KNOWS ABOUT INTERNATIONAL THINGS, THE MORE YOU CAN DEAL WITH THESE KINDS OF COMPLEXITIES AND REALIZE THAT YOU CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE OFTEN.

>> AND THERE IS NOT JUST ONE SIDE OF THE STORY.

>> NOT JUST ONE SIDE.

>> YOU SAY WATCH THIS IN CANADIAN NEWS, WATCH FOR THIS PIECE OF BUSINESS?

>> OH, MY -- >> CONSERVATIVE LIBERALS, SWITCHED BACK AND FORTH, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN MANY TIMES, STEADY OBSERVER OF RULING PARTIES SWITCHING.

DO THESE TURNOVERS REALLY CREATE CHANGE?

>> NO.

THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, THE LONG ANSWER IS NOT MUCH.

PARTIES TEND TO ULTIMATELY FALL INTO LINE WITH A STANDARD ECONOMIC POLICY IN TERMS -- ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES AND INTERNATIONAL TRADE ESPECIALLY.

WE NOW KNOW THERE IS A GLOBAL WARMING PRODUCT, WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH WATER IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BOUND CLOSER AND CLOSER TOGETHER IN NORTH AMERICA THAN WE HAVE BEEN, MAYBE THAN WE WANT TO BE.

>> IT THREATENS SOME PEOPLE.

>> IT DOES, IT DOES.

OF COURSE AMERICANS HAVE A STRONG, STRONG CONCERN AND SENSE ABOUT THEIR OWN SOVEREIGNTY AND ABOUT NOT WANTING ANY INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION TO LIMIT THEIR ABILITY TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

SO DO CANADIANS IN A WAY, ALTHOUGH NOT QUITE AS PRONOUNCED.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER IN NORTH AMERICA, AND NATURAL RESOURCES, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, LET'S LOOK AT HEALTH SYSTEMS.

WE CAN'T SEEM TO DO ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY TO BRING EFFECTIVE CHANGE TO THE HEALTH CARE DELIVERY SYSTEM.

CANADA HAS HAD A SYSTEM THAT HAS WORKED VERY WELL AND IS NOW IN TROUBLE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, NOT BECAUSE IT IS A QUOTE SOCIALISTIC SYSTEM, I MEAN, THAT IS RUBBISH.

IT IS TOO COMPLEX.

IT IS SO EXPENSIVE.

A HUGE COUNTRY WITH -- YOU KNOW, IT HAS ALL KINDS OF DIFFICULTIES TO RUNNING A SYSTEM LIKE THAT.

BUT IT WORKS PRETTY WELL.

THE U.S.

'S SYSTEM MAY DELIVER SOME OF THE VERY FINEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD.

IT ALSO COSTS AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF MONEY PER CAPITA, AND THE MORTALITY RATES ARE NOT ALL THAT SENSATIONAL, NOT THAT DIFFERENT.

ONE WONDERS IF SOMEHOW THE TWO COUNTRIES COULD WORK TOGETHER ON AN EVEN LARGER SCHEME THAT WOULD SPEAK TO AMERICAN CONCERNS AS WELL AS CANADIAN CONCERNS.

I THINK A LOT OF THIS IN THE NEXT 25, 30 YEARS IS GOING TO PUT US CLOSER TO CANADA, NOT FARTHER AWAY.

>>> ALL OF THE TIME THAT YOU ARE A PROFESSOR OF HISTORY, OF COURSE, DIRECTING AREA AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES, CANADIAN STUDIES, YOU ARE ALSO PERFORMING AND TEACHING MUSIC.

HOW DID YOU MANAGE THAT BALANCE OR IS IT JUST WHO YOU ARE AND YOUR WHOLE LIFE HAS HAD THESE TWO ELEMENTS?

>> YEAH, IT'S -- YOU KNOW, ABOUT A JACK-OF-ALL-TRADES AND MASTER OF NONE, AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN.

AND THERE IS SOMETHING INSIDE ONE THAT FORCES ONE TO MAKE MUSIC OR DANCE OR PAINT OR WRITE POEMS OR ANYTHING IN THE ARTS, I THINK.

THERE IS NO MONEY IN IT FOR MOST PEOPLE.

IT IS A PAIN IN THE NECK.

IT IS HARD WORK AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TIE UP A LOT OF HOURS, BUT YOU SORT OF HAVE TO DO IT.

>> CLEARLY YOU HAVE -- I THINK FOR A WHILE EVERY DECADE A NEW MUSICAL ENTITY WAS BORN THROUGH YOU.

U.V.M.

BAROQUE ENSEMBLE IN THE 60s, MOZART FESTIVAL IN THE 70s, THE ORIANA SINGERS AND THE GILBERT AND SULLIVAN SINGERS, AND ALL ENSEMBLES STILL ACTIVE.

MOST OF THEM EXCEPT FOR GILBERT AND SULLIVAN ARE EARLY MUSIC, BAROQUE MUSIC.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT BAROQUE AND EARLY MUSIC THAT HAS CAPTIVATED YOU?

>> WHEN I STARTED WITH JANE AMBROS, WE WERE COFOUNDERS OF THE U.V.M.

BAROQUE ENSEMBLE, WHEN WE STARTED THAT WE WERE RESPONDING TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE WORLD IN TERMS OF THE REDISCOVERY OF WHAT WAS CALLED EARLY MUSIC.

AND EARLY MUSIC PLAYED WITH DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTS, INSTRUMENTS THAT HAD BEEN FOUND IN MUSEUMS, COPIED, AND SO FORTH, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PLAY THE BACH ART OF THE -- WITH A MODERN FLUTE, OBO, MODERN, WHAT HAVE YOU, PIANO, YOU WOULD PLAY IT WITH A BAROQUE FLUTE, OBO, BASSOON, ETC., ETC.

WE WERE, IT SOUNDS ABSURD TO SAY SO, BUT MORE OR LESS AT THE CUTTING EDGE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY DRIVING IT IN ENGLAND ESPECIALLY, PARTS OF THE U.S.

AND HOLLAND AND SWITZERLAND PARTICULARLY.

SO THAT'S HOW I GOT INTO IT.

WHAT MAKES IT WONDERFUL?

WELL, JUST LISTEN TO MESSIAH SOMETIME AND YOU KNOW WHY IT IS WONDERFUL.

A RHYTHMIC DRIVE TO IT, ONGOING MOTION TO IT, AND THE TUNES ARE PRETTY GOOD, TOO.

>> IS THAT STILL GROWING IN POPULARITY?

YOUR SON, SCOTT, IS HEADING UP A PERIOD ENSEMBLE COMING UP ON SATURDAY, ACTUALLY.

AND HE IS A YOUNG GUY.

IS IT STILL COMING BACK OR IS THERE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE INTERESTED IN EARLY MUSIC?

>> WELL, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.

COMMERCIALLY IT IS HARD TO KNOW WHERE THAT PART OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS RIGHT NOW.

THERE WAS AN IMMENSE SUCCESS FIRST OF SORT OF MEDIEVAL RENAISSANCE GROUPS, AND THEN BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE STRING PLAYERS WHO WERE WILLING TO PUT THE TIME IN TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY WELL ON THE OLD INSTRUMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE SET UP SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY AND REQUIRE A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE, THEN YOU HAVE A GENERATION OF PEOPLE WHO DID LEARN HOW TO DO IT.

BECAUSE THEY LOVE PLAYING BAROQUE MUSIC, THE SOUND OF BAROQUE STRINGS, THE WHOLE ENTERPRISE.

THEN THE BAROQUE WAS REALLY BIG.

THEN ANOTHER GENERATION THAT STARTED TO MOVE INTO, MOZART -- NOW I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE.

THE DUST HAS SETTLED.

SOME PEOPLE ARE OUT OF THE BUSINESS, SOME PEOPLE STILL IS IN IT.

IT ALL SEEMS TO BE PROSPERING IN AN INTERESTING WAY.

>> WITH -- SATURDAY IN BURLINGTON, INTERESTING CHOICE, I THINK YOU DID THAT ABOUT TEN OR 12 YEARS AGO.

>> A LONG TIME AGO.

TERRIBLE HISTORIAN.

DATES ELUDE ME.

DATES OF ALL OF THIS -- >> HOW DO YO CHOOSE PROGRAMS, AND THEN GO ABOUT WORKING ON A PIECE, PREPARING?

>> WELL, I ALWAYS POINT TO MEL KAPLAN AS SOMEONE FOR MANY YEARS HAS EXHIBITED A GENIUS FOR FORMING PROGRAMS, MAKING PROGRAMS.

THE SKILL OF MAKING A PROGRAM WHICH MAKES SENSE INTELLECTUALLY, MENTALLY, WHEN YOU CREATE IT, YOU KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE FUN FOR THE PLAYERS AND SINGERS, AND YOU KNOW THE AUDIENCE WILL RESPOND, AND THESE REALLY -- SORT OF THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.

THEY DON'T ALWAYS MESH TOO EASILY, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOOD AT THAT.

I DON'T THINK I'M BAD AT IT.

I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

A REAL LOVE OF MINE, AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY FOR 15, 12 YEARS, WHENEVER IT WAS WE LAST DID THIS.

I SAID LET'S HAVE ANOTHER GO.

I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE HAD TWO MARVELOUS SINGERS EARLIER, AND NOW WE HAVE A THIRD MARVELOUS SINGER.

SHARLA NELSON.

>> EVERYBODY LOVES WORKING WITH YOU, FROM EVERYTHING THAT I HEAR, BECAUSE YOU BRING A SENSE OF HUMOR AND LAID-BACKNESS TO WORKING ON A PIECE.

I KNOW YOU HAVE DON THE BACK WORK.

YOU ARE A HISTORIAN, LOOK INTO THE PIECE.

DO YOU BREAK IT DOWN OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT, IT IS WHAT A CONDUCTOR DOES TO PREPARE TO BRING A PIECE TO LIFE.

>> YEAH, I ALWAYS FEEL THAT PEOPLE IN THE MUSIC RACKET WHEN THEY GET INTERVIEWED COME UP WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY THINK THEY SHOULD SAY.

THE U.V.M.

HOCKEY PLAYER INTERVIEWED LOOK IS AS THOUGH HE NEEDS A SHOWER, COACH TOLD US WE HAD TO PLAY OUR GAME, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, ALL OF THESE CLICHE.

I IMMERSE MYSELF IN THE PIECE, YES, IT IS TRUE THAT MAYBE HE WAS DIVORCING WHEN HE WROTE IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THE LAST ANALYSIS, WHAT COUNTS WHEN YOU GET ON STAGE IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE, YOU SING THE PIECE, PLAY THE PIECE, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH IT?

IS IT PART OF YOU SO THAT YOU WORK HARD AND YOU ENJOY IT AND OUT IT COMES AND MAKES AN EFFECT ON THE AUDIENCE.

YEAH, I RESEARCH IT.

HUGE DEBATE OVER WHEN DIDO WAS WRITTEN, POLITICAL ALLEGORY GOING ON, AND WHAT THAT IS, THIS WAS WRITTEN AT A TIME WHEN ENGLAND WAS WORRYING A LOT ABOUT HAVING A RETURN OF CATHOLIC STEWARDS BECAUSE JAMES THE II WAS A CATHOLIC.

>> HOW DOES THAT INFLUENCE THE MUSIC?

>> WELL, PART OF THE ALLEGORY, DOES DIDO REPRESENT PROTESTANT ENAND, AND ANIHAS GOES OFF AND LEAVES HER REPRESENTING FALSE CATHOLICS.

I DEFY ANYBODY TO SAY THAT WHEN DIDO SINGS HER MOST GORGEOUS LAMENT AT THE END OF THE OPERA THAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS, NO, THEY'RE LISTENING TO THE SINGING OF ONE OF THE MOST GLORIOUS SONGS EVER WRITTEN.

>> ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT PROTESTANT AND CATHOLIC -- >> NO.

>> THERE SEEM TO BE MORE CHORUSES AND CHOIRS OFFERING PUBLIC PROGRAM.

IS CHORAL MUSIC HAVING A RENAISSANCE?

WHAT DO YOU THINK IT GOING ON THERE?

>> I THINK THAT IS THE CASE THAT THERE IS A RESURGENCE, OR A SURGENCE OF CHORAL SINGING IN THIS AREA.

WHICH IS ALL TO THE GOOD.

GOOD FOR EVERYBODY EXPOSED TO IT WHETHER AS A SINGER OR LISTENER.

ONE OF THE MOST NATURAL OF ALL FORMS OF MUSIC MAKING.

WHEN WE FIRST MOVED TO VERMONT FROM FIRST TORONTO AND MINNESOTA, WE WERE FAIRLY DEPRESSED THAT THERE WASN'T MUCH GOOD CHORAL SINGING GOING ON.

WE CAME UP WITH THEORIES AS TO WHY THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT CHURCH CHOIRS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE VAST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CHOIRS IN VARIOUS CHURCHES, CERTAINLY IN THIS BURLINGTON AREA.

MY IMPRESSION IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T FLOCK TO CHURCH CHOIRS THE WAY THEY ONCE MIGHT HAVE AND THAT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW SINGING IN COMMUNITY CHOIRS OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER.

>> CREATING THEM.

>> YOU HAVE CHORAL JUNKIES WHO WILL SING IN ANY CHOIR AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS LEFT IN THE WEEK, THEY WILL SING.

THAT IS PARTS OF THE MAGIC OF CHORAL SINGING I THINK.

>> TALKING ABOUT THE POPULARITY OF EARLY MUSIC AND CHORAL SINGING.

THAT IS ON FAIRLY RELATIVE TERMS.

CLASSICAL MUSIC HAS BEEN STRUGGLING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES.

BUT THERE IS A LOT OF HAND WRINGING ABOUT IT.

YOU'VE KEPT YOUR HAND ON THE PULSE FOR MANY YEARS.

WHERE IS CLASSICAL MUSIC GOING?

WHERE DOES IT FIT THESE DAYS?

>> DESPITE GLOOMY SIGNS, I THINK CLASSICAL MUSIC IS FINE AT THIS POINT.

I THINK THE CLASSICAL MUSIC INDUSTRY, ESPECIALLY THE RECORDING END OF THE CLASSICAL MUSIC INDUSTRY WHICH HAS BECOME INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COUPLE OF C.D.

'S OUT IT IS HARD TO GET A MUSICAL CAREER GOING.

WE TEND TO THINK THAT THE FINEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE COVERS F THE RECORD MAGAZINES BECAUSE THEY HAVE C.D.

'S, AND NOW ANYBODY CAN MAKE A C.D.

THAT'S OKAY.

BUT I THINK IN GENERAL THE CLASSICAL MUSIC INDUSTRY IS OKAY.

PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS DYING FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS OR SO.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS.

WHAT IS BAD IS I THINK THE MUSIC IN THE HOME SITUATION AND THE SITUATION OF MUSIC IN THE SCHOOLS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE MUSIC IN THE HOME WHERE SOME OF THE KIDS TAKE UP INSTRUMENTS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PLAY THOSE INSTRUMENTS FOR VERY LONG, JUST TO LEARN HOW TO DO IT AND WHAT'S INVOLVED, THEN THEY MIGHT GO HEAR A TRUMPETER WHEN A TRUMPETER COMES TO DOWN BECAUSE THEY REMEMBER HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS IT HIT THE HIGH B FLAT WHATEVER.

>> I'M SORRY.

WE HAVE ALREADY RUN OUT OF TIME.

VERMONT MOZART FESTIVAL, FESTIVALS COMING UP THIS SUMMER.

THIS IS BY A LIVING COMPOSER.

>> LIVING COMPOSER.

>> JOHN RUTTER ARRANGED AN OLD, OLD ENGLISH FOLK SONG.

>> AND HERE IT IS.

WILLIAM METCALFE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

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