>> WORKING IN THE CLEANUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE OUT THERE AND THERE WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THEIR WITH TRUMP MEMORABILIA, THE MAGA HAT'S AND EVERYTHING.

SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING, I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SUPPORT TRUMP.

TRUMP.

>> Bonnie: HELLO.

I AM BONNIE ERB.

WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY".

THIS WEEK WE CONTINUE OUR WOMEN THOUGHT LEADERS SERIES WITH KIM CLAY SIX, A REPUBLICAN COMMENTATOR.

SHE CAME TO PROMINENCE AFTER A VIDEO SHE POSTED OF RATS IN BALTIMORE WAS HIGHLIGHTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.

SHE IS NOW ONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S MOST INFLUENTIAL BLACK FEMALE SUPPORTERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND CABLE.

WELCOME TO YOU, KIM.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Bonnie: AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A VERY BRIGHT POLITICAL FUTURE.

>> I HOPE SO.

>> YOU ANNOUNCED THIS PAST WEEK HE WILL BE RETURNING YOUR START ON SOCIAL MEDIA WITH THE FACTS AND THE PRESIDENT INTO A POLITICAL CAREER FOR YOURSELF.

WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE AUDIENCE ABOUT IT?

>> Kim: I KIND OF GOT INVOLVED IN POLITICS BACK IN 2014.

I WAS A VOLUNTEER ON CAPITOL HILL, AND I VOLUNTEERED WITH THE ARCHITECT OF THE CAPITOL.

WE WERE IN AND BASICALLY HELPING WITH TOURS AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS GETTING TO THEIR MEETINGS WHICH THEY STILL GET LOST.

I DON'T KNOW HOW, BUT THEY DO.

>> Bonnie: THAT'S A WEIRD CAMPUS UP THERE, CONFUSING.

>> Kim: YES, IT IS.

WHY WOULD HELP WITH THAT.

THEN I WOULD GO IN AND SIT ON SOME OF THE HEARINGS AND JUST LISTEN AND KIND OF HEAR ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO I ENDED UP JOINING A GROUP CALLED POLITICAL CHICKS AND STARTED WRITING FOR THEIR BLOG.

SO I'VE BEEN LUCKY AND HOW I FELL INTO A BUT I CONTINUED AND KEPT GOING.

BACK IN 2008 I VOTED FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, DEMOCRAT FOR SURE.

AND THEN IN 2012, RON, I QUESTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHY?

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT.

I STARTED READING MORE ABOUT CONSERVATIVE VALUES.

AFTER A WHILE I DECIDED, MAYBE, I AM CONSERVATIVE.

I DID NOT VOTE IN 2012.

I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH MITT ROMNEY ALSO.

SO ACTUALLY I SAVE MY VOTE AND I DID VOTE LOCAL ELECTIONS BUT NOT PRESIDENTIAL.

MOVING FORWARD, I ENDED UP VOTING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN 2016.

>> Bonnie: ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THAT BOAT?

>> Kim: I AM HAPPY, YES, YES.

>> Bonnie: ARE YOU A WOMAN'S RIGHTS ADVOCATE?

>> Kim: I AM, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.

I LOVE MY RIGHTS, YOU KNOW.

I AM A WOMAN.

I GUESS I DON'T ALWAYS LOOK AT THINGS AS MAY BE EVERYONE ELSE.

GENDER OR COLOR, YOU KNOW.

I LOOK AT US WE ARE ALL IN THE IN THE SAME TEAM, WE ARE ALL AMERICANS.

I DON'T VIEW IT AS WOMEN'S OR LATINOS, WHATEVER, JUST WE SHOULD BE IN THE SAME GROUP.

>> Bonnie: I ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS WONDER HOW WOMEN WHO CALL THEMSELVES WOMEN'S RIGHTS ADVOCATES, AND MANY OF HIS FEMALE SUPPORTERS DO, FEEL ABOUT WHAT HE'S BEEN CHARGED WITH, RAPING WOMEN, ATTACKING WOMEN, BRAGGING ON RADIO WITH HOWARD STERN BUT WHEN YOU GRAB WOMEN BY THE GENITALS THEY REALLY LIKE IT.

HOW, WHEN YOU HEAR THAT HE IS RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND YOU ARE FOR HIM, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU THINK?

>> Kim: I CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT FOR SURE.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

I HAVE A DAUGHTER AND I DON'T WANT MY DAUGHTER TO HEAR IT.

I GUESS AT THE SAME TIME I KIND OF LOOK AT IS LIKE 22 WOMEN CAME FORWARD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOME ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS, BUT HE HAS YET TO BE CONVICTED, YOU KNOW?

IT'S KIND OF LIKE, IS HE REALLY GUILTY?

I'M NOT SURE.

I'M THE KIND OF PERSON THAT WAITS IT OUT.

ON TOPIC, I AM WONDERING, I KNOW YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OF THE/FUND BOOK, AND $17 MILLION HAS BEEN PAID OUT TO PEOPLE THAT FILE HARASSMENT CLAIMS ON CAPITOL HILL.

I LEARNED ABOUT THAT WHILE VOLUNTEERING ON CAPITOL HILL.

THERE IS A SECRET SLUSH FUND AND THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT.

I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC IS NOT MADE AWARE OF THAT.

WE ARE MADE AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE, BUT THE PUBLIC STILL DOES NOT KNOW EVEN WHAT THEIR MEMBERS HAVE DONE.

>> Bonnie: YOU ARE RUNNING FOR THE SEAT VACATED BY THE PASSING OF ELIJAH CUMMINGS WHO WAS A CIVIL RIGHTS ICON, REALLY.

AND MARYLAND IS A BLUE STATE, AND THERE ARE ELECTIONS LAST WEEK IN SEVERAL STATES INCLUDING VIRGINIA WHICH WENT TO AN ALL DEMOCRATIC SWITCH TO AN ALL DEMOCRATIC-CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 26 YEARS.

WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU RUNNING AS A REPUBLICAN IN MARYLAND?

>> Kim: DEFINITELY.

IT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE, FOR SURE.

FIRST, IT'S GOING BACK A BIT.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY CONGRESSMAN CUMMINGS, AND HE WAS A GREAT GUY AND EVERYONE TRULY LOVED HIM, BUT AS FAR AS CIVIL RIGHTS, I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET CONFUSED BECAUSE HE WAS A CHILD AT THE TIME.E USED TO TALK ABOUT HOW HE USED TO LISTEN TO DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. ON THE RADIO WHILE HE WAS AT SCHOOL OR WHEN HE GOT OUT OF SCHOOL.

BUT AS FAR AS RUNNING IN MARYLAND AND WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK IN VIRGINIA, I MEAN, THAT WAS INSANE AND I KNOW I GOT A LOT OF BACKLASH BECAUSE IT SAID SOMETHING ON TWITTER, BUT I KNOW, LIKE MANY PEOPLE KNOW, THAT THE GOP AND THE RNC IS, WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM, THEY ARE NOT DOING A WHOLE LOT AS FAR AS VOTER OUTREACH.

THEY COULD BE DOING A LOT MORE, AND THEY ALWAYS TOOK THESE NUMBERS FOR RAISING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EXTRA PRESIDENT TRUMP.

WELL, WHERE IS THAT MONEY BEING SPENT?

OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT BEING SPENT ON A GRASSROOTS EFFORT.

YES, I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO HAVE TO KNOCK ON EVERY SINGLE DOOR MYSELF, GOING SHAKE EVERY SINGLE HAND.

IT'S A SPECIAL ELECTION, SO IT'S VERY SHORT.

MY PRIMARY IS FEBRUARY 4.

THE GENERAL IS HOPEFULLY IF I MAKE IT, IT'S APRIL 28, AND IT SHORT.

IT'S CONDENSED AND I'VE GOT A WORK HARD, BUT I'M UP FOR THE CHALLENGE.

>> Bonnie: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TALK AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND TELL THEM YOU ARE REPUBLICAN IN THE TRUMP SUPPORTER?

DO THEY LOOK AT YOU SIDEWAYS?

å0 PERCENT OF ORTER?

AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN VOTED FOR HILLARY CLINTON, LET'S REMEMBER> Kim: DEFINITELY.

EVEN WORKING IN THE CLEANUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE OUT THERE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WEARING THEIR TRUMP MEMORABILIA, THEY'VE GOT THE MAGA HATS AND EVERYTHING.

SOME PEOPLE SAY, OH, CANNOT BELIEVE YOU SUPPORT TRUMP.

YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WELL, LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS: THERE'S A LOT OF THIS TRASH AND IT'S BEEN SITTING HERE FOR ALMOST A YEAR.

IF NOT FOR DRUM, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE REMOVING IT.

THE CITY NOW WITH BALTIMORE IN PUBLIC WORKS, THEY WOULD NOT LOOK AT IT.

SO WE CAN HATE TRUMP ALL DAY, BUT THE FACT THAT HE ACTUALLY BROUGHT LIGHT TO THE SITUATION IS A REASON IS BEING REMOVED.

SOME PEOPLE WILL THEN LOOK AT ME AND SAY, OKAY, YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT AND WE MOVE FORWARD.

>> Bonnie: BUT WE HAVE TO DO A COUPLE STEPS WALKING BACKWARD FIRST WHICH IS THAT YOU TOOK THE VIDEO AND POSTED IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA OF RATS IN THE TRASH AND BALTIMORE AND THAT WENT VIRAL.

EVENTUALLY, THE PRESIDENT SUPPORTED.

HE CAME OUT AND NAMED YOU AND SUPPORTED YOU.

ARE YOU SURE THE CITY WOULD NOT BE PICKING UP TRASH IF IT WERE NOT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

I MEAN, THESE ARE THINGS CITIES ROUTINELY DO.

>> Kim: RIGHT.

YES.

UNFORTUNATELY, NOT IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO, THAT'S THE PART ABOUT BALTIMORE.

THERE IS A TALE OF TWO BALTIMORES.

NOT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TREATED EQUALLY PRETTY OF EAST AND WEST BALTIMORE, THEN THE SUBPARTS OF SOUTH BALTIMORE, FEDERAL HILL WHICH IS TREATED GREAT, PORT COVINGTON WAS AN UPCOMING COMING PROPERTIES, TON OF RESOURCES.

YOU WILL NEVER SEE TRASH OR RATS IN THESE AREAS, BUT IN PARTS OF EAST BALTIMORE AND WEST BALTIMORE AND SOUTH BALTIMORE IN CHERRY HILL YOU WILL SEE A ILLEGAL DUMPING AND VACANT HOUSES AND TRASH EVERYWHERE.

SO JUST I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A MONTH AGO, CITY HALL HAD A MEETING WITH THOSE THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE 311 SERVICE, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE CALLED HAVE TRASH AND THINGS ARE MOVED, AND THEY HAD A MEETING.

I WENT TO SIT IN ON IT.

I DO NOT HAVE TO TALK, JUST WANTED TO HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON.

THEN THEY ALL REALIZE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER BEEN IN A ROOM TOGETHER BEFORE.

NEVER TALKED ABOUT WHY WE'VE HAD SO MANY ISSUES GETTING THIS DONE.

THEY EVEN TALKED ABOUT HOW EFFECTIVE ONLY HAD FIVE VENDORS, I GUESS, GOING AROUND TO CUT GRASS IN CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES.

THAT'S WHY THERE WAS SUCH A BACKLOG.

THEY ARE JUST NOW FINDING OUT ALL THESE INEFFICIENCIES WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT OR MANY DEPARTMENTS CONNECTED TO THE 311 SERVICES.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT MEETING WAS NOT ON THE BOOKS UNTIL AFTER THE RATS IN TRASH VIDEOS.

>> Bonnie: HASN'T THERE BEEN SOME PUBLICITY AROUND THE FACT THAT BALTIMORE IS LOSING POPULATION, IT'S A DWINDLING IN TERMS OF PEOPLE AND IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT, TAX BASE.

>> Kim: YEAH.

>> Bonnie: IS LOSING PEOPLE.

AND THE -- PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT OUT THERE SUPPORTING URBAN RENEWAL THAT I KNOW OF, IF ANYTHING, HE IS CUTTING BACK FEDERAL HOUSING GRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT BALTIMORE, BECAUSE OF THE DWINDLING TAX BASE, CANNOT POSSIBLY FIX ITSELF WITHOUT FEDERAL SUPPORT.

WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT ISSUE?

>> Kim: WELL, WE COULD DEFINITELY USE MORE FEDERAL SUPPORT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT PLACING THE BLAME OTHER THAN ON THEMSELVES.

BALTIMORE CITY IS VERY ANTIBUSINESS.

THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN.

RIGHT NOW THEY ARE VOTING ON A PLASTIC BAG BAN.

WITH THAT BAN THEY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE PAPER BAGS WHERE THAT IS GOING TO COME TO ATTACKS TO THE CONSUMER AND TO THE ACTUAL STORES -- >> Bonnie: [CROSS TALK] >> Bonnie: YOU MEAN D.C.

ALREADY DOES, THEY CHARGE YOU FIVE CENTS FOR A PLASTIC BAG, BUT A PAPER BAG THERE IS NO CHARGE?

>> Kim: NO, NO.

FIVE CENTS PER PAPERBACK IN PLASTIC BAGS WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE.

THEY BELIEVE THAT PLASTIC IS POLLUTING THE STREETS, SO THEY WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

>> Bonnie: ARE THEY WRONG ABOUT THAT?

>> Kim: WELL, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE WITH THE TRASH.

I DID NOT SEE A TON OF PLASTIC BAGS, I HAVE TO TELL YOU.

I SAW MORE MATTRESSES AND DRYWALL IN FURNISHINGS.

I DID NOT SEE A TON OF PLASTIC BAGS, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN ON EVERY STREET.

I CANNOT SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT THERE.

BUT THEY EVEN BANNED STYROFOAM.

THERE WAS PUSHBACK FROM MOM-AND-POP SHOPS THAT BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE TO GO CONTAINERS WERE STYROFOAM AND THEY ARE CHEAPER FOR THEM AND ABLE TO DO AND USE THOSE.

THEY BANNED THOSE THAT WAS ANOTHER HIT AGAINST THE SMALL BUSINESS.

SO THEY ARE ANTIBUSINESS, AND SO THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND -- I KNOW THEY LOVE TO I CALL IT GRANDSTANDING.

YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO GET ON ON THE TRENDS ACROSS THE NATION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WHEN IT COMES TO BALTIMORE CITY AND OUR LOW POPULATION AND THE CRIME AND VIOLENCE AND HOMELESSNESS, YOU HAVE TO DO A CARVE OUT WHEN IT COMES TO SOME OF THESE THINGS THEY WANT TO BE ON TOP OF.

I GET IT.

IT SOUNDS GREAT TO WANT TO BE FOR POLLUTION -- AGAINST POLLUTION AND FOR CLIMATE CHANGE AND ALL.

IT SOUNDS LOVELY AND I WISH WE WERE AT THAT LEVEL, BUT WE ARE JUST NOT.

>> Bonnie: MOST MILLENNIALS, AND I PRESUME YOU ARE MILLENNIAL OREGON GEN X.> Kim: THANKS LYFT.

>> Bonnie: MOST MILLENNIALS SEE CLIMATE CHANGE -- THIS IS WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS LOSING YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE CRAZY, BECAUSE THEY FEEL THOSE THINGS ARE NECESSARY, THAT THERE WILL NOT BE, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINED HUMAN LIFE ON EARTH WITHOUT MAKING MAJOR CHANGES TO THE WAY WE LIVE.

WHY DO YOU OPPOSE YOUR GENERATION ON THIS ISSUE?

>> Kim: I DON'T OPPOSE THEM.

I GUESS I ASSOCIATE IT AS A PRIORITY AMONG OTHER THINGS AT THIS POINT.

OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IN BALTIMORE CITY, LIKE YOU SAID, THE POPULATION ITSELF IS DWINDLING, BUT OUR HOMELESS POPULATION IS OUT OF CONTROL.

SURE, WE COULD HAVE CLEAN AIR ACT AS IF YOU'RE LIVING ON THE STREETS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S GREAT.

BUT WE HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING.

OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, I HEAR BERNIE SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN TALKING ABOUT FREE COLLEGE.

FREE COLLEGE, YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN FIRST.

WE HAVE KIDS THAT CANNOT EVEN GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAVE KIDS THAT CANNOT PASS, YOU KNOW, BASIC MATH AND READING COURSES.

IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE A LOT OF EMPLOYERS WILL SAY, WELL, WHERE IS YOUR FREE COLLEGE?

IT'S FREE?

WHY ISN'T IT ON YOUR RESUME?

YOU'VE GOT TO GET IN.

BEFORE WE TAKE THAT STEP, I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CHILDREN ARE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THAT FREE COLLEGE, BECAUSE IT IS A PRIVILEGE.

>> Bonnie: SO YOU ARE BLAMING IT ON THE SCHOOLS, NOT ON THE PARENTS?

>> Kim: NO, NO, NO.

NOT AT ALL.

I USED TO DO HOME VISITS, I WAS VENDOR FOR BALTIMORE CITY SCHOOLS.

TRUST ME, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF PROBLEMS AT HOME AS WELL.

BUT IT'S HOME --> Bonnie: HOW CAN YOU EXPECT A CHILD WHOSE MOTHER IS A PROSTITUTE AND IS ADDICTED TO CRACK OR HEROIN OR OPIOIDS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND DOES NOT EVEN FEED THE KID BREAKFAST TO DO WELL IN FIRST GRADE?

>> Kim: THAT'S A TOUGH ISSUE, IT IS.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE SO MANY METHADONE CLINICS IN WEST BALTIMORE, YOU WOULD THINK YOU COULD HANDLE SOME OF THIS.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE IF THE METHADONE CLINICS ARE WORKING AND WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT IT IS A PROBLEM, MAJOR PROBLEM.

I KNOW SOMEBODY, DR. THOMPSON BACK IN DR. DORNEY, WHO USED TO BE THE CEO OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, I THINK YOU PROPOSE TO DO IN BOARDING SCHOOL FOR SOME KIDS THAT MAY BE HAD A TOUGH HOME LIFE.

THEY SAID NO, THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED.

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY ARE SPENDING PER PUPIL, THEY COULD ACTUALLY AFFORD THAT, YOU KNOW?

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF OBSTACLES, THERE IS.

YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE PARENTS.

I'M NOT BLAMING THE TEACHERS.

THEY ARE JUST SO MANY OBSTACLES THAT IT'S TOUGH, BUT THERE ARE OTHER CITIES LIKE D.C. THAT DO WELL.

I KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE.

>> Bonnie: DESCRIBED TO ME THEN HOW IT FELT TO BECOME SORT OF SOCIAL MEDIA FAMOUS BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP .

TELL ME ABOUT HOW THAT WENT FOR YOU.

>> Kim: INTERESTING FOR SURE.

I LOST A LOT OF PEOPLE I THOUGHT WERE MY FRIENDS.

YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME I WAS DOING MEDIA ALREADY.

AND SO, I GUESS WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT MEDIA BUSINESS, EVERYONE WANTS THE HIT STORY, EVERYONE WANTS TO GO VIRAL.

AND SO IT WAS TOUGH BECAUSE I HAD ACTUALLY HAVE -- I HAD SOMEONE I CONSIDERED A CLOSE FRIEND, THEY SAW THE VIDEO SINCE ALL TRUMP TWEET IT AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, YOUR VIDEOS ARE NOT COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH.

A WEEK LATER I REALIZED HE HAD A BALTIMORE VIDEO COMING OUT, BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE VACANCIES AND HOMELESS.

IT DID NOT DO ANY VIEWS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE RATS AND TRASH I'VE TAKEN OVER.

I JUST IT MAY BE WHY HE WAS NOT SO HAPPY ABOUT IT.

BUT, YEAH, I LEARNED VERY QUICKLY HOW CUTTHROAT MEDIA BUSINESS CAN BE AND, YOU KNOW, MY MOM WAS A LITTLE WORRIED FOR MY SAFETY.

[LAUGHTER] >> Kim: SHE'S LIKE, OH, NO.

SHE'S HARD-CORE DEMOCRAT.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW THAT I'M YOUR MOM AND YOU SUPPORT TRUMP AND THEY ARE GOING TO GET ME AT WORK.

UNLIKE, MOM, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO SHE WAS FINE.

I SAID IT'S A NEWS CYCLE.

IT GOES ON.

MAYBE GOES ON FOR THREE DAYS AND THEN IT'S OVER.

>> Bonnie: BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALL NEGATIVES.

WERE THERE POSITIVES TO IT?

>> Kim: IT WAS TOUGH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A WEIRD FEELING.

THE LOCAL MEDIA STATIONS WERE LIKE, HOW DEAR YOU, CALLED THIS #WE ARE BALTIMORE STARTED.

HOW DARE YOU SHOW THE TRASH IN THE RATS?

WE ARE MORE THAN THAT.

I SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO BASICALLY SAY THIS IS NOT HAPPENING OR NOT IN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE BASICALLY JUST KIND OF SAYING, OKAY, SLEEP THOUGHT UNDER THE RUG YOU ARE NOT DOING ANY FAVORS.

IT'S NOT HELPING THEM IN ANY WAY.UT THEN I WOULD GO BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS I WAS IN BED I SHOT THE VIDEOS, AND THEY WERE LIKE, KIM YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT, PEOPLE ARE COMING TO PICK IT UP.

WE ARE SO HAPPY.

SO EXCITED.

SO THAT'S WHEN I TALKED TO PEOPLE WON-ON-ONE.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

IF THIS IS WHAT TRUMP DOES, I MIGHT VOTE FOR TRUMP.

>> Bonnie: BUT WHAT DID HE -- I MEAN, DID HE CHANGE ANY POLICIES?

DID HE GIVE THE MONEY -- I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A ONE-OFF DEAL.

THIS IS GOING TO MEAN THAT ALL THE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS IN BALTIMORE, AND WE KNOW CLIMATE CHANGE, A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AFFECT POOR NEIGHBORHOODS MORE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HIRE ENOUGH GARBAGE COLLECTORS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE WHATEVER IT IS, ENOUGH MONEY TO GET THE CORPORATIONS DUMPING TOXIC WASTE TO DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, LIKE THE RICH NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE.

SO, I MEAN, OR THEY MAY BE GIVING HIM TOO MUCH CREDIT?

IS THIS MEAN FOREVER HE IS FIX THAT PROBLEM?

>> Kim: NO, BUT I THINK PEOPLE NOW KNOW IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT.

THE FACT THAT THEY GOT ON IT AND CLEANED IT UP, YOU KNOW, ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, THEY THEN REALIZE, WOW, SO SOMEONE ACTUALLY CAN COME GET THIS ONE WE ASK SOMEONE TO CONNECT I LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THERE WAS -- ÷¦ >> Bonnie: WERE THEY 20 ALREADY ASKING?

>> Kim: THERE WAS A BACKLOG AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID THE 311 SERVICES MEETING.

311 SAID, WE NEED MORE MONEY.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT CAN GO INTO THESE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS TO CLEAN.

YOU KNOW?

SO THEN THEY ASKED, HOW COME OUR REASON AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS CLEANED?

THEY ARE LIKE, OKAY, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE OKAY TO GO IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS TO CLEAN.

THEY MADE IT MORE OF A SO VIOLENT DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THERE REALLY IS A TALE TO OF TWO BALTIMORE'S.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE THE LAST EITHER.

THE FACT YOU CAN GO FIVE BLOCKS OVER AND FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT WORLD.

AFTER 2015 RIOTS WHEN FREDDIE GRAY, AND I SAY KILLED BECAUSE HE DEFINITELY DID NOT DIE IN HIS OWN IN THE BACK OF THE PADDY WAGON, BUT AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE RIOTS IN THE LOOTERS.

UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN WHEN BERNIE SANDERS CAME TO TOWN, HE SAID, WOW, LOOKS LIKE ONE-THIRD WORLD COUNTRY OVER HERE.THAT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS IN WITH THE RATS AND TRASH.

I WAS THERE FOR TWO WEEKS AND I HAD TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL.

I GOT BIT BY A RAT NIGHTS.

I DID NOT KNOW RATS HAD LIGHTS.

APPARENTLY, THEY CARRY MITES ON THEM.

I DID NOT ACTUALLY GO IN TOUCH A RAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> Bonnie: JUST THE COVERAGE YOU ARE HANDLING.

>> Kim: AND I WAS IN ABANDONED HOMES.

THERE WERE MITES ALL AROUND.

YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE DEALING WITH US ALL THE TIME AND IT'S TOUGH.

I THINK THEY NEED SOMEONE TO COME AND HELP THEM IN PRESIDENT TRUMP POINTED OUT ALL THE MONEY THAT WAS SENT TO BALTIMORE IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS S. NO ONE SEEMS TO HAVE AN ACCOUNTING FOR THAT.

THERE IS PROBABLY A GOOD AUDIT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS WELL.

>> Bonnie: INTERESTING.

NOW, DO YOU THINK THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY OR HOW DO YOU THINK THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO DO IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 2020?

>> Kim: IT'S TOUGH TO SAY.

YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE MARGINS AND I SAY, OKAY.

GOSH, ESPECIALLY IN VIRGINIA, TRUMP, HE WON IN SOME OF THOSE COUNTIES THAT LOST LAST WEEK FAIRLY WELL, EVEN UP BY 20.

THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DEMOCRATIC TAKEOVER IN THOSE AREAS, WHICH THE INCUMBENT WAS REPUBLICAN FOREVER, THAT'S -- THAT'S FRUSTRATING.

I HOPE THE GOP, THE RNC TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE TO GET BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

BECAUSE, OTHERWISE, IT WILL BE SKETCHY.

I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP IS DOING A GOOD JOB.

HIS RALLIES ARE ALL ENTERTAINING, ALWAYS LOTS OF PEOPLE THERE.

BUT HE'S JUST ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW?

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A TEAM.

>> Bonnie: DO YOU EVER WISH THERE WERE A THIRD PARTY?

I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE IT'S WANTING TO GO FROM BEING A DEMOCRAT TO BEING MAY BE AN INDEPENDENT OR EVEN A LIBERAL REPUBLICAN, WHO DON'T EXIST ANYMORE, REALLY, BUT USED TO BE A VIBRANT PART OF THE PARTY MAY BE TRYING TO BUILD THAT UP AGAIN TO BEING A TRUMPER.

>> Kim: I LOOK AT AS TRUMP IS NOT REALLY A REPUBLICAN.

BECAUSE HE WAS A DEMOCRAT.

LOOK AT HIM OR IF IT'S INDEPENDENT.

REMEMBER WHEN YOU FIRST GOT IN OFFICE, OR NO,, HE'S GOING TO DO FOR EVERYONE.

HE'S GOING TO DEPART DACA.

HE HASN'T DONE THAT.

I DON'T THINK HE EVER REALLY WANTED TO.

MY FATHER USED TO SAY I'M SOCIALLY LIBERAL AND PHYSICALLY CONSERVATIVE BELIEVE THAT POINT OF A NONPROFIT UP AND DOING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT FOR SEVEN YEARS IN BALTIMORE, SOME PARTS OF WEST BALTIMORE.

I DO HELP PEOPLE.

I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE EXTREMISTS.

OH, PULL YOURSELF BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU NEED HELPOU KNOW?

I HAVE HAD HELP IN MY PAST.

AND SO I CANNOT IMAGINE TURNING MY BACK ON ANYONE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S LIKE WE CANNOT JUST KEEP HANDING THEM THINGS AND THINKING THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DO FOR THEMSELVES.

I LIKE TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE THAT GAP AND SAY, OKAY, YOU MIGHT BE LIVING ON DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT NOW, BUT WHAT STEPS CAN WE TAKE TO GO TO FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE?

LET'S WORK ON IT, FIGURE IT OUT.

>> Bonnie: YOU MENTIONED IMMIGRATION, THAT HE'S DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT.

I'M IN TOUCH WITH A LOT OF PRO-AND ANTI-IMMIGRATION GROUPS.

THEY WOULD DISPUTE YOU ON THAT POINT.

HE IS, BECAUSE OF MAKING MEXICO BE MORE VIGILANT ABOUT NOT LETTING SOUTH AMERICAN AND CENTRAL AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THEIR WAY UP TO ILLEGALLY IMMIGRATING TO THE UNITED STATES GO THROUGH THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER, HE IS ACTUALLY CUT WAY BACK ON THE NUMBER OF ILLEGAL ENTRIES TO THE UNITED STATES.

BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, GIVE ME AN ISSUE WHERE HE HIS LIBERAL POLITICALLY.> Kim: I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS ANTI-GAY OR ANTI-LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

I DON'T SEE THAT IN HIM.

I DON'T SEE HIM EVER -- HE TWEETS A LOT, YOU KNOW.

LET'S BE HONEST.

I DON'T SEE HIM TREATING ANYTHING ANTI-GAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> Bonnie: I DON'T SEE HIM TO ANYTHING PRO LGBTQ?

>> Kim: HE STRIKES ME AS A GUY WHO PROBABLY DOES NOT PAY ATTENTION TO IT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> Kim: DOES NOT DESCRIBE A LIBERAL TWO-TIER?

>> Kim: I DON'T THINK IS LIBERAL, YOU KNOW?

I THINK LIBERALS DO PAY ATTENTION TO THE GENDER AND IDENTITY POLITICS SIDE.

BUT IF HE'S ANYTHING LIKE ME, NOTHING THAT I WOULD DISCRIMINATE SOMEONE.

I'M NOT THAT LIFESTYLE.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN ANYONE'S LOVE LIFE.

I'M FOR SMALLER GOVERNMENT.

SO, I THINK SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE ARE A BIT CONFUSED ON WHAT ARE CONSERVATIVE VALUES VERSUS WHAT ARE NOT.

>> Bonnie: AND WHAT ABOUT OTHER ISSUES WHERE YOU WOULD SAY THAT HE -- I MEAN, HE'S NOT LIBERAL ON WOMEN'S ISSUES FOR SURE.

HE'S APPOINTED SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WHO ARE EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE, VERY PRO-CORPORATE, VERY ENTIRE SMALL BUSINESS, ETC., VERY -- YOU KNOW, HE'S A POPULIST AND THAT WAY.

BUT GIVE ME SOME -- CERTAINLY NOT PROGRESSIVE AT ALL ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

HE IS TOTALLY THE OTHER END.

>> Kim: YEAH.

I WAS LOOK AT THAT.

I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND CRAZY, I LOOK AT THAT AS PERSONALITY TYPES TOO.

SOME PEOPLE I THINK PERSONALITY TYPE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ALL THE TIME.

WE SEE THIS BACK IN HISTORY.

THEY CALLED THEM HIPPIES, I GUESS, TREE HOOKERS AND ALL THAT.

IT'S LIKE, I THINK SOMETIMES IF YOUR PERSONALITY DOES NOT FIT WITH THAT, IT JUST DOESN'T.

LIKE ME, I'M ALWAYS THINKING BUSINESS, RIGHT?

SURE, SOMEONE MAY SAY, WELL, THAT'S NOT VERY SOCIALLY LIBERAL OF YOU.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, IN A WAY IT IS BECAUSE WHEN I SPEAK TO STUDENTS AT THE BALTIMORE CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND I TELL THEM THIS IS A WAY FOR YOU TO BE PRO-BUSINESS, YOU CAN BE AN ENTREPRENEUR, YOU CAN DO THIS, THEY SAY, OH, WOW, WE CAN DO THIS, THAT?

THINK ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE SPRINGING BUSINESSES ON SOCIAL MEDIA TODAY.

THAT'S WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLE.

AS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST, THEY CAN BRING THAT TO THE TABLE.

I WOULD NOT SHOO THEM AWAY AND I WOULD LISTEN.

>> Bonnie: THANK YOU.

INTERESTING OPINIONS.

VERY INTERESTING TAKE.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME WITH US.

>> Kim: THANK YOU.

>> Bonnie: THANK YOU, KIM.

BEST OF LUCK TO YOU IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS.

>> Kim: THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

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