♪♪ >> WORK SEARCH REQUIREMENTS WILL >> WORK SEARCH REQUIREMENTS WILL BE BACK ON.

BE BACK ON.

ANOTHER VETO OVERRIDE.

ANOTHER VETO OVERRIDE.

PLUS, ELI LILLY'S REOPENING PLAN PLUS, ELI LILLY'S REOPENING PLAN AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK IN AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY 14TH, 2021.

14TH, 2021.

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THIS WEEK, INDIANA WILL REQUIRE THIS WEEK, INDIANA WILL REQUIRE OUT-OF-WORK HOOSIERS TO PROVE OUT-OF-WORK HOOSIERS TO PROVE THEY'RE ACTIVELY SEARCHING FOR THEY'RE ACTIVELY SEARCHING FOR WORK STARTING JUNE 1, OR ELSE WORK STARTING JUNE 1, OR ELSE LOSE THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT LOSE THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.

INDIANA PUBLIC BENEFITS.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S JUSTIN HICKS BROADCASTING'S JUSTIN HICKS REPORTS THE RULE CAME IN AN REPORTS THE RULE CAME IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ROLLING BACK EXECUTIVE ORDER ROLLING BACK SOME OF THE COVID-19 RELIEF SOME OF THE COVID-19 RELIEF MEASURES IN PLACE FOR OVER A MEASURES IN PLACE FOR OVER A YEAR.

YEAR.

>> >> GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB IS GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB IS DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TO RESTART WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TO RESTART WORK SEARCH AND JOB COUNSELING WORK SEARCH AND JOB COUNSELING REQUIREMENTS.

IT WILL ALSO BEGIN REQUIREMENTS.

IT WILL ALSO BEGIN INCREASING UNEMPLOYMENT TRUST INCREASING UNEMPLOYMENT TRUST FUND CHARGES FOR EMPLOYERS WHO FUND CHARGES FOR EMPLOYERS WHO LAY WORKERS OFF.

NONE OF THESE LAY WORKERS OFF.

NONE OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE NEW, BUT HAVE REQUIREMENTS ARE NEW, BUT HAVE BEEN WAIVED SINCE MARCH OF LAST BEEN WAIVED SINCE MARCH OF LAST YEAR TO SUPPORT WORKERS DURING YEAR TO SUPPORT WORKERS DURING THE PANDEMIC.

THE PANDEMIC.

HOLCOMB HAS ALSO ASKED DWD TO HOLCOMB HAS ALSO ASKED DWD TO RESEARCH THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF RESEARCH THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THOSE UNEMPLOYED.

HE SAID IT THOSE UNEMPLOYED.

HE SAID IT WILL HELP HIM DECIDE IF INDIANA WILL HELP HIM DECIDE IF INDIANA WILL JOIN A GROWING NUMBER OF WILL JOIN A GROWING NUMBER OF STATES IN OPTING OUT OF EXTRA STATES IN OPTING OUT OF EXTRA FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT PROGRAMS.

FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT PROGRAMS.

THE ORDER COMES A DAY AFTER THE ORDER COMES A DAY AFTER PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN DIRECTED THE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN DIRECTED THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF LABOR TO FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF LABOR TO ENSURE ALL STATES REINTRODUCE ENSURE ALL STATES REINTRODUCE “APPROPRIATE” WORK SEARCH “APPROPRIATE” WORK SEARCH REQUIREMENTS.

BIDEN ALSO REQUIREMENTS.

BIDEN ALSO ASSERTED THAT THE EXTRA $300 IN ASSERTED THAT THE EXTRA $300 IN WEEKLY BENEFITS IS NOT CAUSING WEEKLY BENEFITS IS NOT CAUSING PEOPLE TO STAY OUT OF JOBS.

PEOPLE TO STAY OUT OF JOBS.

>> >> SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB CUT OFF SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB CUT OFF EXTRA FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT EXTRA FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS?

BENEFITS?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS.

LAWMAKERS.

AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

JOURNAL GAZETTE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON SMITH.

SMITH.

MIKE O'BRIEN, A FEW OTHER MIKE O'BRIEN, A FEW OTHER GOVERNORS HAVE ENDED THAT GOVERNORS HAVE ENDED THAT ADDITIONAL 300 DOLLARS IN ADDITIONAL 300 DOLLARS IN FEDERAL BENEFITS FOR THEIR FEDERAL BENEFITS FOR THEIR CITIZENS.

SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB CITIZENS.

SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB JOIN THEM?

JOIN THEM?

>> I THINK IT'S MOVING IN THAT >> I THINK IT'S MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

MIKE BRAUN TALKED DIRECTION.

MIKE BRAUN TALKED ABOUT THAT POINT THIS WEEK AS ABOUT THAT POINT THIS WEEK AS WELL.

THAT WE CAN'T EXPECT ALL WELL.

THAT WE CAN'T EXPECT ALL THESE COMPANIES TO REOPEN WHEN THESE COMPANIES TO REOPEN WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT THEY EMPLOY AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY EMPLOY AND THE PEOPLE THEY NEED TO REENTER THE PEOPLE THEY NEED TO REENTER THAT WORKFORCE ARE UNAVAILABLE THAT WORKFORCE ARE UNAVAILABLE OR SUBSIDIZE THE STAY-AT-HOME, OR SUBSIDIZE THE STAY-AT-HOME, AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING PREPANDEMIC UNEMPLOYMENT RATES PREPANDEMIC UNEMPLOYMENT RATES DROP, WE'RE SEEING PREPANDEMIC DROP, WE'RE SEEING PREPANDEMIC INDIVIDUAL INCOME EXCEED AND GO INDIVIDUAL INCOME EXCEED AND GO UP RECORD -- THEY'RE BREAKING UP RECORD -- THEY'RE BREAKING RECORDS EVERY MONTH GOING UP, RECORDS EVERY MONTH GOING UP, WHICH SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THE WHICH SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THE PEOPLE AREN'T EARNING MORE, PEOPLE AREN'T EARNING MORE, THEY'RE BEING SUBSIDIZED TO STAY THEY'RE BEING SUBSIDIZED TO STAY THERE, AND TO NOT REENTER THE THERE, AND TO NOT REENTER THE WORKFORCE.

SO IT HAS GOT TO BE WORKFORCE.

SO IT HAS GOT TO BE DONE THOUGHTFULLY.

THE GOVERNOR DONE THOUGHTFULLY.

THE GOVERNOR WAS SMART IN REINSTATING THE WAS SMART IN REINSTATING THE WORK REQUIREMENT.

BUT ALSO WORK REQUIREMENT.

BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHO -- THESE UNDERSTANDING WHO -- THESE DECISIONS WHO THEY IMPACT.

DECISIONS WHO THEY IMPACT.

THAT'S WHAT HE DWD.

WHO ARE WE THAT'S WHAT HE DWD.

WHO ARE WE HITTING?

HITTING?

WHO ARE WE AFFECTING THE MOST?

WHO ARE WE AFFECTING THE MOST?

AND HOW DO WE REENGAGE THEM IN AND HOW DO WE REENGAGE THEM IN THE PREPANDEMIC SCALE-UP THE PREPANDEMIC SCALE-UP PROGRAMS THAT THE STATE WAS PROGRAMS THAT THE STATE WAS ALREADY TRYING TO DO AND START ALREADY TRYING TO DO AND START GETTING THESE PEOPLE BACK IN THE GETTING THESE PEOPLE BACK IN THE WORKFORCE, OR BETTER POSITIONS WORKFORCE, OR BETTER POSITIONS BEFORE IT STARTED.

HE'S BEFORE IT STARTED.

HE'S APPROACHING IT THOUGHTFULLY, APPROACHING IT THOUGHTFULLY, CLEARLY MOVING IN THAT CLEARLY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS, DIRECTION, THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS, AND NEEDS TO?

AND NEEDS TO?

AT WHAT POINT, THEN, I GUESS, AT WHAT POINT, THEN, I GUESS, EVERYBODY AT SOME POINT IS GOING EVERYBODY AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO END THE 300 WHETHER THE TO END THE 300 WHETHER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES IS FIRST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES IS FIRST OR SOME OTHER STATES DO.

AT WHAT OR SOME OTHER STATES DO.

AT WHAT POINT DO YOU THINK IT IS POINT DO YOU THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE?

APPROPRIATE?

>> WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT >> WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES IT.

IT HAS BEEN BOLSTERING DOES IT.

IT HAS BEEN BOLSTERING THE ECONOMY.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE ECONOMY.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO WORK, THE PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO WORK, THE PROBLEM IS JOBS THAT DON'T PAY A PROBLEM IS JOBS THAT DON'T PAY A LIVING WAGE.

ALL WE'VE BROUGHT LIVING WAGE.

ALL WE'VE BROUGHT IN UNDER THE REPUBLICANS FOR THE IN UNDER THE REPUBLICANS FOR THE LAST 12, 16 YEARS ARE LOW-PAYNG LAST 12, 16 YEARS ARE LOW-PAYNG JOBS, WHICH IS WHY THE MEDIAN JOBS, WHICH IS WHY THE MEDIAN INCOME UNTIL THE CARES ACT WAS INCOME UNTIL THE CARES ACT WAS PASSED BY JOE BIDEN, UNTIL THAT PASSED BY JOE BIDEN, UNTIL THAT CAME -- THE RESCUE CAME -- THE RESCUE PLAN -- YOU'RE RIGHT, THE RESCUE PLAN -- YOU'RE RIGHT, THE RESCUE PLAN -- CAME IN, INCOME WAS PLAN -- CAME IN, INCOME WAS DOWN.

THE MEDIAN INCOME WHICH DOWN.

THE MEDIAN INCOME WHICH MITCH DAMAGES ALWAYS SAID WAS MITCH DAMAGES ALWAYS SAID WAS THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS OF A THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS OF A GOVERNOR, HAS DECREASED UNDER GOVERNOR, HAS DECREASED UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROL.

AND THE REPUBLICAN CONTROL.

AND THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS WE NEED TO PROBLEM WITH IT IS WE NEED TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE.

PEOPLE RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE.

PEOPLE WANT TO WORK BUT THEY WANT TO WANT TO WORK BUT THEY WANT TO HAVE -- IF THEY PUT IN A 40-HOUR HAVE -- IF THEY PUT IN A 40-HOUR WEEK, THEY WANT TO PAY THEIR WEEK, THEY WANT TO PAY THEIR RENT AND EAT.

THAT'S NOT A LOT RENT AND EAT.

THAT'S NOT A LOT TO ASK.

WHEN WE'RE PAYING A LOT TO ASK.

WHEN WE'RE PAYING A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN BEING PAID OF PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN BEING PAID $10 AN HOUR.

THEY SAY, TIPS, $10 AN HOUR.

THEY SAY, TIPS, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF TIPS AT THERE AREN'T A LOT OF TIPS AT STEAK AND SHAKE OR McDONALD'S OR STEAK AND SHAKE OR McDONALD'S OR A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THEY'RE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THEY'RE DESPERATE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK.

WE DESPERATE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE NEED HIGHER PAYING JOBS, THIS NEED HIGHER PAYING JOBS, THIS WHOLE CULTURE OF CUT CORPORATE WHOLE CULTURE OF CUT CORPORATE TAXES AND CUT REGULATIONS AND TAXES AND CUT REGULATIONS AND THESE WONDERFUL JOBS WILL COME THESE WONDERFUL JOBS WILL COME DOESN'T WORK ANY BETTER THAN DOESN'T WORK ANY BETTER THAN TRIPLE DOWN ECONOMICS HAS EVER TRIPLE DOWN ECONOMICS HAS EVER WORKED.

WORKED.

>> WHAT DO LEGISLATIVE LEADERS >> WHAT DO LEGISLATIVE LEADERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS THIS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS THIS WEEK, NIKI?

WEEK, NIKI?

>> THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF >> THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF GOVERNOR HOLCOMB REINSTITUTING GOVERNOR HOLCOMB REINSTITUTING THE ACTIVE WORK SEARCH THE ACTIVE WORK SEARCH REQUIREMENT.

AND I DID ASK REQUIREMENT.

AND I DID ASK SENATOR BRAY MONDAY, LOOK, I'M SENATOR BRAY MONDAY, LOOK, I'M NOT GOING TO LIE, I KNOW SOME NOT GOING TO LIE, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE CHOOSING NOT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CHOOSING NOT TO LOOK FOR WORK BECAUSE THEY'VE LOOK FOR WORK BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE EXTRA $300, BUT I CAN'T GOT THE EXTRA $300, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE SAY THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE WORKFORCE.

I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE WORKFORCE.

I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THERE ARE SOME TO ADMIT THAT THERE ARE SOME SORT OF ROLE THAT BUSINESSES SORT OF ROLE THAT BUSINESSES HAVE, YOU KNOW, I WAS ALWAYS HAVE, YOU KNOW, I WAS ALWAYS TAUGHT THE SORT OF BASIC TAUGHT THE SORT OF BASIC ECONOMICS, IF YOU CAN'T HIRE, ECONOMICS, IF YOU CAN'T HIRE, THEN THAT MEANS YOU'RE NOT THEN THAT MEANS YOU'RE NOT PAYING ENOUGH, YOUR PAYING ENOUGH, YOUR BENEFITS -- SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR BENEFITS -- SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR SITUATION ISN'T ATTRACTING SITUATION ISN'T ATTRACTING WORKERS.

SOME OF IT IS ON THEM WORKERS.

SOME OF IT IS ON THEM AS WELL.

AS WELL.

>> IS THIS CHANGING, THE FACT >> IS THIS CHANGING, THE FACT THAT HOOSIERS HAVE GOTTEN -- OUT THAT HOOSIERS HAVE GOTTEN -- OUT OF WORK HOOSIERS GOT THIS OF WORK HOOSIERS GOT THIS CENTRAL FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT CENTRAL FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFIT, AND WE'RE FACING THIS BENEFIT, AND WE'RE FACING THIS DEBATE, THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT DEBATE, THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT IS IT REALLY THE IS IT REALLY THE UNEMPLOYMENT -- THE EXTRA UNEMPLOYMENT -- THE EXTRA BENEFITS, OR DO WAGES NEED TO GO BENEFITS, OR DO WAGES NEED TO GO UP, DO EMPLOYERS NEED TO ENGAGE UP, DO EMPLOYERS NEED TO ENGAGE IN WHAT IS REALLY COMPETITIVE IN IN WHAT IS REALLY COMPETITIVE IN THIS MARKET?

THIS MARKET?

IS THE PANDEMIC SORT OF CREATING IS THE PANDEMIC SORT OF CREATING A NEW CONVERSATION IN THAT A NEW CONVERSATION IN THAT SENSE, OR AT LEAST A WIDER SENSE, OR AT LEAST A WIDER CONVERSATION?

CONVERSATION?

>> IT PROBABLY SHOULD OCCUR.

BUT >> IT PROBABLY SHOULD OCCUR.

BUT I THINK THE EASIER THING AND THE I THINK THE EASIER THING AND THE MORE LIKELY THING FOR LAWMAKERS MORE LIKELY THING FOR LAWMAKERS IN THIS STATE AND OTHERS IS TO IN THIS STATE AND OTHERS IS TO FOCUS ON DOING AWAY WITH THE FOCUS ON DOING AWAY WITH THE $300, OR IN THE INTERIM, AT $300, OR IN THE INTERIM, AT LEAST, REQUIRING MORE MEASURES LEAST, REQUIRING MORE MEASURES IN TERMS OF AN ACTIVE JOB IN TERMS OF AN ACTIVE JOB SEARCH.

IN A WAY THAT'S JUST A SEARCH.

IN A WAY THAT'S JUST A RETURN TO IT WAS BEFORE.

I MEAN, RETURN TO IT WAS BEFORE.

I MEAN, PEOPLE WHO GOT UNEMPLOYMENT PEOPLE WHO GOT UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE BEFORE, YOU HAD TO INSURANCE BEFORE, YOU HAD TO INDICATE THAT YOU'VE APPLIED FOR INDICATE THAT YOU'VE APPLIED FOR A COUPLE OF JOBS A WEEK.

A COUPLE OF JOBS A WEEK.

>> OR THAT YOU WERE GETTING >> OR THAT YOU WERE GETTING EDUCATION.

EDUCATION.

>> SO REALLY AS WE MOVE AS A >> SO REALLY AS WE MOVE AS A SOCIETY BACK TO NORMAL THAT SOCIETY BACK TO NORMAL THAT SEEMS TO BE A LOGICAL NEXT STEP.

SEEMS TO BE A LOGICAL NEXT STEP.

CUTTING THE $300 IN FEDERAL CUTTING THE $300 IN FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTAL AID NOW WOULD SUPPLEMENTAL AID NOW WOULD PROBABLY SEEM HARSH, IT WAS PROBABLY SEEM HARSH, IT WAS GOING TO END ANYWAY, AS YOU GOING TO END ANYWAY, AS YOU SUGGESTED.

SUGGESTED.

>> WE'RE ONLY TALKING A FEW >> WE'RE ONLY TALKING A FEW MONTHS HERE, GUYS, IT IS GOING MONTHS HERE, GUYS, IT IS GOING TO END.

TO END.

>> AND IF IT ENDED TODAY, AS >> AND IF IT ENDED TODAY, AS SOME GOVERNORS HAVE, INVARIABLY SOME GOVERNORS HAVE, INVARIABLY THERE WOULD BE HORROR STORIES THERE WOULD BE HORROR STORIES ABOUT THOSE WHO FALL THROUGH THE ABOUT THOSE WHO FALL THROUGH THE TRACKS NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING TRACKS NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING THEY'VE DONE WRONG BUT BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE WRONG BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR SKILLSETS, THEIR OF THEIR SKILLSETS, THEIR LOCATION IN THE STATE.

JOBS ARE LOCATION IN THE STATE.

JOBS ARE NOT ALL FOCUSED UNIFORMLY AROUND NOT ALL FOCUSED UNIFORMLY AROUND THE 92 COUNTIES.

SO YOU MAY LIVE THE 92 COUNTIES.

SO YOU MAY LIVE IN -- EVEN THOUGH THE JOB IN -- EVEN THOUGH THE JOB NUMBERS ARE THERE APPEARS TO BE NUMBERS ARE THERE APPEARS TO BE OPENINGS ON EVERY STREET CORNER, OPENINGS ON EVERY STREET CORNER, YOU MAY BE IN A COUNTY OR YOU MAY BE IN A COUNTY OR COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

COMMUNITY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

>> >> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

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ALERTS.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB CUT OFF THE SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB CUT OFF THE EXTRA $300 IN FEDERAL EXTRA $300 IN FEDERAL UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS FOR OUT-OF-WORK HOOSIERS?

OUT-OF-WORK HOOSIERS?

A YES, B, NO.

A YES, B, NO.

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: IS IT TOO SOON FOR SOMEONE TO BE IS IT TOO SOON FOR SOMEONE TO BE STARTING THEIR 2024 CAMPAIGN FOR STARTING THEIR 2024 CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR?

GOVERNOR?

79% OF YOU SAY, YES.

JUST 21% 79% OF YOU SAY, YES.

JUST 21% SAY NO.

AND THE ERIC DODEN SAY NO.

AND THE ERIC DODEN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTED THAT 21%.

CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTED THAT 21%.

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LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS ACROSS LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS ACROSS INDIANA CAN NO LONGER IMPOSE INDIANA CAN NO LONGER IMPOSE EMERGENCY RULES STRICTER THAN EMERGENCY RULES STRICTER THAN THE STATE'S AFTER REPUBLICANS THE STATE'S AFTER REPUBLICANS OVERRODE THE GOVERNOR'S VETO OVERRODE THE GOVERNOR'S VETO THIS WEEK.

INSTEAD, LOCAL THIS WEEK.

INSTEAD, LOCAL LEGISLATIVE BODIES - COUNTY LEGISLATIVE BODIES - COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR CITY COUNCILS - COMMISSIONERS OR CITY COUNCILS - WILL HAVE TO ENACT THOSE WILL HAVE TO ENACT THOSE RESTRICTIONS.

RESTRICTIONS.

>> >> THE BILL AROSE AFTER HOOSIERS THE BILL AROSE AFTER HOOSIERS COMPLAINED TO THEIR LAWMAKERS COMPLAINED TO THEIR LAWMAKERS THAT LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS WENT THAT LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS WENT TOO FAR DURING THE COVID-19 TOO FAR DURING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, SHUTTING DOWN OR PANDEMIC, SHUTTING DOWN OR RESTRICTING SOME BUSINESSES.

RESTRICTING SOME BUSINESSES.

REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHRIS GARTEN REPUBLICAN SENATOR CHRIS GARTEN SAYS THOSE SORTS OF DECISIONS SAYS THOSE SORTS OF DECISIONS ARE TOO POWERFUL FOR UNELECTED ARE TOO POWERFUL FOR UNELECTED OFFICIALS TO MAKE ON THEIR OWN.

OFFICIALS TO MAKE ON THEIR OWN.

>> SEN. CHRIS GARTEN >> SEN. CHRIS GARTEN (R-CHARLESTOWN): I WOULD CONTEND (R-CHARLESTOWN): I WOULD CONTEND THAT ACTIONS AND DECISIONS OF THAT ACTIONS AND DECISIONS OF SUCH MAGNITUDE SHOULD HAVE A SUCH MAGNITUDE SHOULD HAVE A CHECK AND BALANCE.

CHECK AND BALANCE.

>> BUT DEMOCRATS CALL THE BILL >> BUT DEMOCRATS CALL THE BILL AN “UNWISE OVERREACTION.” AN “UNWISE OVERREACTION.” SENATOR SHELLI YODER SAYS HEALTH SENATOR SHELLI YODER SAYS HEALTH DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE BY DECISIONS SHOULD BE MADE BY EXPERTS, THE LOCAL HEALTH EXPERTS, THE LOCAL HEALTH OFFICIALS.

OFFICIALS.

>> SEN. SHELLI YODER >> SEN. SHELLI YODER (D-BLOOMINGTON): WHAT THIS VETO (D-BLOOMINGTON): WHAT THIS VETO OVERRIDE WOULD DO WOULD BE TO OVERRIDE WOULD DO WOULD BE TO INTRODUCE MORE BUREAUCRATIC AND INTRODUCE MORE BUREAUCRATIC AND POLITICAL PRESSURES AND PUTTING POLITICAL PRESSURES AND PUTTING HOOSIERS' HEALTH AT RISK.

HOOSIERS' HEALTH AT RISK.

>> >> THE BILL TOOK IMMEDIATE EFFECT.

THE BILL TOOK IMMEDIATE EFFECT.

>> >> ANN DELANEY, FOUR VETOES OVER ANN DELANEY, FOUR VETOES OVER THE LAST TWO SESSIONS, THREE OF THE LAST TWO SESSIONS, THREE OF THEM OVERRIDDEN.

TO THE AVERAGE THEM OVERRIDDEN.

TO THE AVERAGE HOOSIER, WHAT DOES THAT SAY HOOSIER, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT GOV.

HOLCOMB'S ABOUT GOV.

HOLCOMB'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GENERAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY?

ASSEMBLY?

>> WELL, I THINK IT INDICATES >> WELL, I THINK IT INDICATES THAT HE'S AT ODDS WITH THE THAT HE'S AT ODDS WITH THE SUPERMAJORITY AND THE GENERAL SUPERMAJORITY AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY ASSEMBLY, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS.

I ACTUALLY THINK THAT OBVIOUS.

I ACTUALLY THINK THAT GOVERNOR HOLCOMB'S TRIED TO DO GOVERNOR HOLCOMB'S TRIED TO DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING, NOT AS THE RESPONSIBLE THING, NOT AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM DO ALL THE TIME.

BUT I THINK DO ALL THE TIME.

BUT I THINK HE'S AT LEAST TRIED TO STEER A HE'S AT LEAST TRIED TO STEER A MORE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD COURSE MORE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD COURSE BETWEEN THE CRAZY ANTI-SCIENTIST BETWEEN THE CRAZY ANTI-SCIENTIST WING OF HIS PARTY AND PEOPLE WHO WING OF HIS PARTY AND PEOPLE WHO WANTED HIM TO REALLY LOCK DOWN WANTED HIM TO REALLY LOCK DOWN THE STATE TO KEEP COVID UNDER THE STATE TO KEEP COVID UNDER CONTROL.

SO I THINK HE'S DONE A CONTROL.

SO I THINK HE'S DONE A RELATIVELY GOOD JOB OF THAT.

RELATIVELY GOOD JOB OF THAT.

THEY, ON THE OTHER HAND, ARE THEY, ON THE OTHER HAND, ARE ONLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ONLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH REDISTRICTING, TO HAPPEN WITH REDISTRICTING, AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHALLENGED IN THEIR TO BE CHALLENGED IN THEIR PRIMARIES BY THE RIGHT WING OF PRIMARIES BY THE RIGHT WING OF THE FLAT EARTH REPUBLICAN THE FLAT EARTH REPUBLICAN SECTION.

AND SO THEY WANT TO SECTION.

AND SO THEY WANT TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE REALLY WITH SHOW THAT THEY'RE REALLY WITH DONALD TRUMP EVEN THOUGH IT IS DONALD TRUMP EVEN THOUGH IT IS INTERESTING THAT HIS NAME NEVER INTERESTING THAT HIS NAME NEVER COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.

COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.

NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT DONALD NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, BUT THEY ALL TAKE TRUMP, BUT THEY ALL TAKE POSITIONS THAT HE WOULD FIND POSITIONS THAT HE WOULD FIND FAVORABLE POSITIONS TO TAKE.

AND FAVORABLE POSITIONS TO TAKE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS AT WAR I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS AT WAR HERE, YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR HERE, YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR HOLCOMB'S TRYING TO APPEAL TO HOLCOMB'S TRYING TO APPEAL TO THE STATE, AND TRYING TO PROTECT THE STATE, AND TRYING TO PROTECT THE STATE, AND THEY'RE WORRIED THE STATE, AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR LITTLE FIEFDOMS, AND ABOUT THEIR LITTLE FIEFDOMS, AND THE RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN THE RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AND THAT'S WHY HAVING PARTY.

AND THAT'S WHY HAVING THESE SUPERMAJORITIES IS SO THESE SUPERMAJORITIES IS SO DESTRUCTIVE WITH THE DESTRUCTIVE WITH THE GERRYMANDERING.

GERRYMANDERING.

>> YOU WORKED IT ALL IN, DIDN'T >> YOU WORKED IT ALL IN, DIDN'T YOU?

YOU?

>> AM I WRONG?

>> AM I WRONG?

I FORGOT ABOUT THE VIGOROUS I FORGOT ABOUT THE VIGOROUS TRUMP DEBATE OVER LOCAL HEALTH TRUMP DEBATE OVER LOCAL HEALTH CONTROL.

CONTROL.

>> [CROSS TALKING].

>> [CROSS TALKING].

>> SWINE BARN AND CORPORATE TAX.

>> SWINE BARN AND CORPORATE TAX.

>> BINGO.

>> BINGO.

>> TO THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T >> TO THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T FOLLOW POLITICS QUITE AS CLOSELY FOLLOW POLITICS QUITE AS CLOSELY AND SEEING THE DEBATE OVER THIS AND SEEING THE DEBATE OVER THIS ISSUE PLAY OUT THE ENTIRE ISSUE PLAY OUT THE ENTIRE SESSION, WHAT DO ALL THESE VETO SESSION, WHAT DO ALL THESE VETO OVERRIDES, THE GOVERNOR AND THE OVERRIDES, THE GOVERNOR AND THE STATE HAS A WEAK VETO.

WHAT DO STATE HAS A WEAK VETO.

WHAT DO THEY SAY ABOUT THAT THEY SAY ABOUT THAT RELATIONSHIP?

RELATIONSHIP?

>> THERE ISN'T MANY OF THEM.

IN >> THERE ISN'T MANY OF THEM.

IN THE PAST, 1%, LESS THAN 1%.

THEY THE PAST, 1%, LESS THAN 1%.

THEY INTRODUCED 1100 BILLS, AND THE INTRODUCED 1100 BILLS, AND THE LAST 3 OR 400, AND HE VETOED 3, LAST 3 OR 400, AND HE VETOED 3, OR 4 OF THEM, THREE OVERRIDDEN, OR 4 OF THEM, THREE OVERRIDDEN, MOST COVID RELATED, WHICH THERE MOST COVID RELATED, WHICH THERE IS A LOT OF POLITICAL PRESSURE IS A LOT OF POLITICAL PRESSURE ON RIGHT NOW.

SHELLI YODER'S ON RIGHT NOW.

SHELLI YODER'S POINT THAT YOU'VE INTRODUCED POINT THAT YOU'VE INTRODUCED POLITICAL ELEMENT TO A LOCAL POLITICAL ELEMENT TO A LOCAL HEALTH DECISION.

FAIR ENOUGH, HEALTH DECISION.

FAIR ENOUGH, BUT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I THINK BUT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, I THINK IF YOU ASK SOMEBODY 18 MONTHS IF YOU ASK SOMEBODY 18 MONTHS AGO, ASK A LOCAL OFFICIAL WHERE AGO, ASK A LOCAL OFFICIAL WHERE THEY GET THE MOST COMPLAINTS IN THEY GET THE MOST COMPLAINTS IN COUNTY GOVERNMENT, THE ANSWER IS COUNTY GOVERNMENT, THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE THE HEALTH GOING TO BE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, THEY TEND TO BE DEPARTMENT, THEY TEND TO BE PUNITIVE, TEND TO OVERREACT.

PUNITIVE, TEND TO OVERREACT.

THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE AS COUNTY THAT WAS MY EXPERIENCE AS COUNTY CHAIRMAN.

THEY TEND TO COME DOWN CHAIRMAN.

THEY TEND TO COME DOWN HARD IN WAYS THEY DON'T NEED TO.

HARD IN WAYS THEY DON'T NEED TO.

THEY'RE MAKING COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEY'RE MAKING COMPLAINTS ABOUT LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS IN THIS LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS IN THIS STATE FOREVER, WHETHER TALKING STATE FOREVER, WHETHER TALKING ABOUT SEPTIC SYSTEMS OR COVID ABOUT SEPTIC SYSTEMS OR COVID MANDATES.

SO TO KICK THIS TO THE MANDATES.

SO TO KICK THIS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND SAY YOU COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND SAY YOU GOT TO -- IS GOING TO ASK FOR GOT TO -- IS GOING TO ASK FOR THIS AND YOU HAVE TO RATIFY IT.

THIS AND YOU HAVE TO RATIFY IT.

THE PEOPLE ARE ELECTED THE PEOPLE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS, OF COURSE THERE NEED OFFICIALS, OF COURSE THERE NEED TO BE A POLITICAL SYSTEM.

WE HAD TO BE A POLITICAL SYSTEM.

WE HAD A WHOLE WAR OVER IT.

THE IDEA A WHOLE WAR OVER IT.

THE IDEA THAT WE JUST TAKE THIS POWER THAT WE JUST TAKE THIS POWER AWAY AND GIVE IT TO ELECTED AWAY AND GIVE IT TO ELECTED OFFICIALS IS INSANE, LITERALLY A OFFICIALS IS INSANE, LITERALLY A WHOLE SYSTEM, WHETHER IT IS THE WHOLE SYSTEM, WHETHER IT IS THE BMV.

THERE IS A LOCAL OFFICIAL BMV.

THERE IS A LOCAL OFFICIAL IN CHARGE.

IN CHARGE.

>> TO THAT END, IF YOU TAKE >> TO THAT END, IF YOU TAKE COVID OUT OF THIS, THIS ISN'T COVID OUT OF THIS, THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE, AND WE TALKED ONE OF THOSE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE ISSUES WHERE -- IS ABOUT THOSE ISSUES WHERE -- IS IT LOCAL OR STATE CONTROL?

IT LOCAL OR STATE CONTROL?

AND THE PUSH AND PULL THERE.

AND THE PUSH AND PULL THERE.

THIS IS SHOULD AN ELECTED THIS IS SHOULD AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR OFFICIAL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THESE DECISIONS OR SHOULD AN THESE DECISIONS OR SHOULD AN APPOINTED OFFICIAL BE APPOINTED OFFICIAL BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE POSITIONS?

ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE POSITIONS?

IN THAT SENSE IF YOU DO TAKE IN THAT SENSE IF YOU DO TAKE COVID OUT OF IT, WHICH IS HARD COVID OUT OF IT, WHICH IS HARD TO DO, ADMITTEDLY, DOES IT SEEM TO DO, ADMITTEDLY, DOES IT SEEM THAT ABSURD A NOTION, THIS BILL?

THAT ABSURD A NOTION, THIS BILL?

>> HARD TO TAKE, AS YOU SUGGEST, >> HARD TO TAKE, AS YOU SUGGEST, COVID OUT OF IT, THAT'S SHAPED COVID OUT OF IT, THAT'S SHAPED OUR THINKING AND OUR LEGISLATING OUR THINKING AND OUR LEGISLATING IN THIS STATE, AND 49 OTHER IN THIS STATE, AND 49 OTHER STATES NOW FOR A STATES NOW FOR A YEAR-AND-A-HALF.

I GUESS IT'S YEAR-AND-A-HALF.

I GUESS IT'S PHILOSOPHICALLY, THERE IS SOME PHILOSOPHICALLY, THERE IS SOME IDEOLOGICAL CONSISTENCY IN IDEOLOGICAL CONSISTENCY IN SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE THESE LOCAL DECISIONS IN THE THESE LOCAL DECISIONS IN THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ELECTED.

HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ELECTED.

HAVING SAID THAT, THOUGH, HEALTH HAVING SAID THAT, THOUGH, HEALTH DEPARTMENTS NOT JUST THROUGH DEPARTMENTS NOT JUST THROUGH COVID, BUT SINCE PROBABLY CLOSE COVID, BUT SINCE PROBABLY CLOSE TO THE FOUNDING OF INDIANA, OR TO THE FOUNDING OF INDIANA, OR CERTAINLY IN THE MODERN ERA, CERTAINLY IN THE MODERN ERA, HAVE ALWAYS HAD MORE LATITUDE HAVE ALWAYS HAD MORE LATITUDE BECAUSE THEY ARE SEEN AS HAVING BECAUSE THEY ARE SEEN AS HAVING GREATER EXPERTISE, THEY CAN MOVE GREATER EXPERTISE, THEY CAN MOVE QUICKLY, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, QUICKLY, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW, THE CDC'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOW, THE CDC'S NEW REPORT THIS WEEK TALKED NEW REPORT THIS WEEK TALKED ABOUT LAST FEBRUARY, OR NOT THIS ABOUT LAST FEBRUARY, OR NOT THIS FEBRUARY, BUT THE ONE PRIOR IS FEBRUARY, BUT THE ONE PRIOR IS BEING THE LOST MONTH, BECAUSE BEING THE LOST MONTH, BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS SORT OF JUST EVERYBODY IS SORT OF JUST TWIDDLED THEIR THUMBS AND THAT TWIDDLED THEIR THUMBS AND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT ELECTED IS KIND OF WHAT ELECTED BODIES -- I'M NOT KNOCKING BODIES -- I'M NOT KNOCKING THEM -- THEY DON'T TEND TO ACT THEM -- THEY DON'T TEND TO ACT AS QUICKLY AS MEDICAL AS QUICKLY AS MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS.

THAT'S WHY I PROFESSIONALS.

THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'VE HAD THE SYSTEM GROW THINK WE'VE HAD THE SYSTEM GROW UP THAT WE HAVE.

IT MAY SATISFY UP THAT WE HAVE.

IT MAY SATISFY THOSE -- IT DIDN'T MATTER WHO THOSE -- IT DIDN'T MATTER WHO ISSUED THESE EDICTS, PEOPLE WERE ISSUED THESE EDICTS, PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BE MAD, IF IT IS THE GOING TO BE MAD, IF IT IS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THEY'RE GOING ELECTED OFFICIALS THEY'RE GOING TO WANT THEIR SCALPS, YOU HAVE TO WANT THEIR SCALPS, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT WANT TO BE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT WANT TO BE TOLD THEY COULDN'T GO OUT, TOLD THEY COULDN'T GO OUT, COULDN'T GO TO THEIR FAVORITE COULDN'T GO TO THEIR FAVORITE TAVERN, THEY HAD TO WEAR A MASK, TAVERN, THEY HAD TO WEAR A MASK, PERIOD.

PERIOD.

>> WE'VE SEEN THE RIPPLE EFFECTS >> WE'VE SEEN THE RIPPLE EFFECTS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PLACES THIS WEEK, RIGHT?

THIS WEEK, RIGHT?

>> ELKHART AND TIPPECANOE BOTH >> ELKHART AND TIPPECANOE BOTH LET SOME OF THEIR RESTRICTIONS LET SOME OF THEIR RESTRICTIONS LAPSE AFTER THEY WERE LAPSE AFTER THEY WERE OVERTURNED.

I WANT TO POINT OUT OVERTURNED.

I WANT TO POINT OUT WE SHOULD TAKE COVID OUT OF IT.

WE SHOULD TAKE COVID OUT OF IT.

SOME OF THAT BILL AFFECTS THINGS SOME OF THAT BILL AFFECTS THINGS NON-COVID RELATED.

AND NOW I NON-COVID RELATED.

AND NOW I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T THINK THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH EVERY TIME HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH EVERY TIME THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT LET'S SAY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT LET'S SAY DOES A BOIL WATER ADVISORY.

AND DOES A BOIL WATER ADVISORY.

AND LET'S SAY SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT LET'S SAY SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO BOIL THEIR WATER THEY WANT TO TO BOIL THEIR WATER THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR RESTAURANT OPEN, KEEP THEIR RESTAURANT OPEN, THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN APPEAL, THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN APPEAL, THIS SETS UP AN APPEAL PROCESS.

THIS SETS UP AN APPEAL PROCESS.

EVERY TIME THEY SHUT DOWN A EVERY TIME THEY SHUT DOWN A RESTAURANT BECAUSE THEY HAD RESTAURANT BECAUSE THEY HAD RATS, THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN RATS, THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN APPEAL, BECAUSE THAT RESTAURANT APPEAL, BECAUSE THAT RESTAURANT DOESN'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN.

DOESN'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN.

THEY'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF THEY'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF THINGS APPEALED TO THEM THAT THINGS APPEALED TO THEM THAT THEY NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH THEY NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH BEFORE.

BEFORE.

>> SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE BILL >> SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE BILL NEXT SESSION FOLLOWING UP FROM NEXT SESSION FOLLOWING UP FROM THIS SESSION.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS SESSION.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT REPEAL, BUT MAYBE CHANGES.

REPEAL, BUT MAYBE CHANGES.

INDIANAPOLIS-BASED INDIANAPOLIS-BASED PHARMACEUTICAL GIANT ELI LILLY PHARMACEUTICAL GIANT ELI LILLY WILL START BRINGING EMPLOYEES WILL START BRINGING EMPLOYEES BACK TO THE OFFICE NEXT MONTH.

BACK TO THE OFFICE NEXT MONTH.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S SAMANTHA HORTON REPORTS SAMANTHA HORTON REPORTS OFFICIALS SAY THIS IS ANOTHER OFFICIALS SAY THIS IS ANOTHER STEP TOWARDS BUSINESSES STEP TOWARDS BUSINESSES RETURNING TO WHAT OPERATIONS RETURNING TO WHAT OPERATIONS WERE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

WERE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

>> >> ELI LILLY PLANS TO BRING 25 ELI LILLY PLANS TO BRING 25 PERCENT OF ITS WORKFORCE PERCENT OF ITS WORKFORCE CURRENTLY WORKING REMOTELY BACK CURRENTLY WORKING REMOTELY BACK TO THE OFFICE ON JUNE 1ST.

THOSE TO THE OFFICE ON JUNE 1ST.

THOSE IN THE FIRST WAVE WILL BE FULLY IN THE FIRST WAVE WILL BE FULLY VACCINATED.

FACE MASKS AND VACCINATED.

FACE MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL STILL BE SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL STILL BE REQUIRED.

REQUIRED.

THE COMPANY MOVED ABOUT 7,000 OF THE COMPANY MOVED ABOUT 7,000 OF ITS EMPLOYEES ABLE TO WORK ITS EMPLOYEES ABLE TO WORK REMOTELY OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN REMOTELY OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS CAMPUS LAST MARCH.

INDIANAPOLIS CAMPUS LAST MARCH.

ANOTHER 4,000 HAVE STILL BEEN ANOTHER 4,000 HAVE STILL BEEN GOING TO WORK DOWNTOWN.

GOING TO WORK DOWNTOWN.

LILLY CEO DAVID RICKS SAYS WORK LILLY CEO DAVID RICKS SAYS WORK LOCATIONS WILL VARY BETWEEN LOCATIONS WILL VARY BETWEEN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BUT DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BUT BELIEVES THIS IS A NEEDED STEP BELIEVES THIS IS A NEEDED STEP TO GETTING BACK TO NORMAL.

TO GETTING BACK TO NORMAL.

>> DAVID RICKS: BUT I KNOW LIKE >> DAVID RICKS: BUT I KNOW LIKE MOST OF YOU WE'RE LOOKING MOST OF YOU WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING DOWNTOWN FORWARD TO SEEING DOWNTOWN INDIANAPOLIS THRIVE AGAIN, AS INDIANAPOLIS THRIVE AGAIN, AS MORE PEOPLE RETURN TO THEIR MORE PEOPLE RETURN TO THEIR OFFICES OR SHOPS AND OFFICES OR SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS.

RESTAURANTS.

>> RICKS SAYS ALL OTHER >> RICKS SAYS ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN EMPLOYEES WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN TO THE OFFICE JULY 12TH.

TO THE OFFICE JULY 12TH.

>> >> NIKI KELLY, WITH A COMPANY OF NIKI KELLY, WITH A COMPANY OF THIS STATURE, HOW BIG A SORT OF THIS STATURE, HOW BIG A SORT OF FIRST DOMINO IS THIS?

FIRST DOMINO IS THIS?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY >> YEAH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY KEY.

IT SETS AN EXPECTATION, AND KEY.

IT SETS AN EXPECTATION, AND A PLAN, AND I MEAN, ELI LILLY A PLAN, AND I MEAN, ELI LILLY MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN MIGHT BE THE BIGGEST EMPLOYER IN THE CITY.

SO, I THINK THEY THE CITY.

SO, I THINK THEY DEFINITELY -- IT'S IMPORTANT DEFINITELY -- IT'S IMPORTANT THAT SOMEONE BIG GOT OUT THERE THAT SOMEONE BIG GOT OUT THERE AND SHOWED LIKE THIS IS HOW AND SHOWED LIKE THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

ALTHOUGH WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

ALTHOUGH INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, LIKE WHEN INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAID HOW YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAID HOW THEY WERE GOING TO HANDLE MASKS, THEY WERE GOING TO HANDLE MASKS, AND SOCIAL DISTANCING, THE CDC AND SOCIAL DISTANCING, THE CDC SAID WELL, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED SAID WELL, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO DO THAT IF YOU'RE VACCINATED.

TO DO THAT IF YOU'RE VACCINATED.

INTERESTING.

THE NEXT THING WE INTERESTING.

THE NEXT THING WE NEED TO WATCH FOR IS A PLAN FROM NEED TO WATCH FOR IS A PLAN FROM THE STATE, BECAUSE WE STILL THE STATE, BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T HAVE THAT FROM THEM.

DON'T HAVE THAT FROM THEM.

>> IN TERMS OF OTHER COMPANIES >> IN TERMS OF OTHER COMPANIES LOOKING AT A COMPANY LIKE ELI LOOKING AT A COMPANY LIKE ELI LILLY, WHICH IS ALSO A LILLY, WHICH IS ALSO A HEALTHCARE COMPANY, WHICH I HEALTHCARE COMPANY, WHICH I IMAGINE IS INSTRUCTIVE FOR SOME IMAGINE IS INSTRUCTIVE FOR SOME FOLKS, HOW MUCH WILL THIS BE A FOLKS, HOW MUCH WILL THIS BE A LET'S SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, LET'S SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I GUESS WE CAN DO THAT FOR AND I GUESS WE CAN DO THAT FOR US, TOO.

US, TOO.

>> I THINK IT'S BOUND TO HAVE AN >> I THINK IT'S BOUND TO HAVE AN EFFECT.

AS NIKI POINTS OUT, THIS EFFECT.

AS NIKI POINTS OUT, THIS IS A HUGE EMPLOYER, MAYBE SECOND IS A HUGE EMPLOYER, MAYBE SECOND TO GOVERNMENT, I DON'T KNOW, TO GOVERNMENT, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE PROBABLY -- OR THEY'RE PROBABLY -- OR MAYBE -- THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.

MAYBE -- THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.

IT'S A GORILLA.

ADD WHATEVER IT'S A GORILLA.

ADD WHATEVER METAPHOR YOU WANT.

METAPHOR YOU WANT.

>> NOT JUST IN NUMBERS.

STATURE.

>> NOT JUST IN NUMBERS.

STATURE.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW >> A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW THEIR LEAD.

I THINK THE OTHER THEIR LEAD.

I THINK THE OTHER STORY THAT WILL EMERGE IN THE STORY THAT WILL EMERGE IN THE COMPANY SIX MONTHS TO NINE COMPANY SIX MONTHS TO NINE MONTHS IS WHICH COMPANIES GO MONTHS IS WHICH COMPANIES GO BACK AS IF NOTHING HAD EVER BACK AS IF NOTHING HAD EVER HAPPENED, OR WHICH COMPANIES, HAPPENED, OR WHICH COMPANIES, SAY, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE FOR SAY, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE FOR EMPLOYEES OR RECRUITING TOOLS EMPLOYEES OR RECRUITING TOOLS SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MIXED SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MIXED SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, EITHER YOU SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, EITHER YOU CAN WORK REMOTELY FROM HOME OR CAN WORK REMOTELY FROM HOME OR CERTAIN DAYS OF OF THE WEEK.

CERTAIN DAYS OF OF THE WEEK.

IT'S A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE.

I IT'S A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE.

I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT, MEAN WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT, CERTAINLY ON THE WEST COAST WITH CERTAINLY ON THE WEST COAST WITH SILICON VALLEY WHERE, WAS IT SILICON VALLEY WHERE, WAS IT GOOGLE, I THINK, WAS GOING TO GOOGLE, I THINK, WAS GOING TO BRING EVERYBODY BACK, AND WELL BRING EVERYBODY BACK, AND WELL THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER WELL THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO OVER WELL WITH THE WORKFORCE, LET'S BACK WITH THE WORKFORCE, LET'S BACK UP.

A LOT OF COMPANIES HAVE UP.

A LOT OF COMPANIES HAVE ALREADY SAID IT WILL BE MUCH ALREADY SAID IT WILL BE MUCH MORE, IF EMPLOYEES GET THE WORK MORE, IF EMPLOYEES GET THE WORK DONE THEY'LL HAVE THE DONE THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT THEORETICALLY FROM THE GOLF THEORETICALLY FROM THE GOLF COURSE, ALTHOUGH THAT IS COURSE, ALTHOUGH THAT IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT THEY HAVE IN PROBABLY NOT WHAT THEY HAVE IN MIND.

MIND.

>> MIKE, HOW MUCH, I MEAN, IF >> MIKE, HOW MUCH, I MEAN, IF YOUR COMPANY, PERHAPS ON THE ELI YOUR COMPANY, PERHAPS ON THE ELI LILLY SCALE, IF YOU'RE A BIGGER LILLY SCALE, IF YOU'RE A BIGGER COMPANY, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN COMPANY, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EVENTUAL COMPLETE RETURN, OR EVENTUAL COMPLETE RETURN, OR DOES THIS SORT OF HYBRID DOES THIS SORT OF HYBRID SCHEDULE APPEAR TO YOU, OR DOES SCHEDULE APPEAR TO YOU, OR DOES THAT GET COMPLICATED AND MESSY.

THAT GET COMPLICATED AND MESSY.

>> I THINK IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU >> I THINK IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING.

WE HAVE A DO FOR A LIVING.

WE HAVE A LITTLE COMPANY, SEVEN OR EIGHT LITTLE COMPANY, SEVEN OR EIGHT OF US, BUT -- AND WE ALL WORKED OF US, BUT -- AND WE ALL WORKED REMOTELY LAST YEAR.

BUT THERE IS REMOTELY LAST YEAR.

BUT THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE BEING IN ONE A LOT OF VALUE BEING IN ONE ROOM.

ROOM.

WE HAVE A LARGE OFFICE WE ALL WE HAVE A LARGE OFFICE WE ALL SHARE, THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE SHARE, THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE IN ME WORKING AND BEING ABLE TO IN ME WORKING AND BEING ABLE TO BOUNCE SOMETHING OFF OF BOUNCE SOMETHING OFF OF SOMEBODY.

THERE IS A LOT OF SOMEBODY.

THERE IS A LOT OF CREATIVITY LOST WHEN YOU'RE CREATIVITY LOST WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT FROM YOUR HOUSE.

I DOING IT FROM YOUR HOUSE.

I THINK IT DEPENDS.

COMPANIES LIKE THINK IT DEPENDS.

COMPANIES LIKE SALESFORCE AND OTHERS THAT HAVE SALESFORCE AND OTHERS THAT HAVE HAD THESE DIFFERENT MORE MODERN HAD THESE DIFFERENT MORE MODERN CULTURE WORKPLACES, WE'LL SEE, CULTURE WORKPLACES, WE'LL SEE, IF A COMPANY LIKE THAT COMES IF A COMPANY LIKE THAT COMES BACK, SOME OF THESE TECH BACK, SOME OF THESE TECH COMPANIES MAY DECIDE, THEY COMPANIES MAY DECIDE, THEY PROBABLY HAVE PEOPLE WORKING ALL PROBABLY HAVE PEOPLE WORKING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

I HAVE FRIEND, OVER THE COUNTRY.

I HAVE FRIEND, WHEN THE COMPANY SHUT DOWN THEY WHEN THE COMPANY SHUT DOWN THEY GOT AN APARTMENT IN CALIFORNIA GOT AN APARTMENT IN CALIFORNIA AND AREN'T TOO HAPPY ABOUT AND AREN'T TOO HAPPY ABOUT CMING BACK.

JUST DEPENDS.

CMING BACK.

JUST DEPENDS.

>> OBVIOUSLY ANY ONE OF THESE >> OBVIOUSLY ANY ONE OF THESE COMPANIES IS GOING TO MAKE THE COMPANIES IS GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION BEST FOR THEIR DECISION BEST FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL COMPANY.

THERE HAS INDIVIDUAL COMPANY.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ECONOMICALLY FOR DOWNTOWNS, NOT ECONOMICALLY FOR DOWNTOWNS, NOT JUST INDIANAPOLIS, BUT ACROSS JUST INDIANAPOLIS, BUT ACROSS THE STATE.

THEY ARE STRUGGLING THE STATE.

THEY ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE SO MANY OF THESE BECAUSE SO MANY OF THESE COMPANIES ARE NOT BACK TO WORK.

COMPANIES ARE NOT BACK TO WORK.

DOES THAT, SHOULD THAT PLAY A DOES THAT, SHOULD THAT PLAY A ROLE IN WHAT THESE COMPANIES ROLE IN WHAT THESE COMPANIES DECIDE TO DO, THINKING ABOUT THE DECIDE TO DO, THINKING ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THEIR COMMUNITY?

HEALTH OF THEIR COMMUNITY?

>> WELL, IT SHOULD.

I'M NOT SURE >> WELL, IT SHOULD.

I'M NOT SURE IT WILL.

I THINK IT'S MORE -- I IT WILL.

I THINK IT'S MORE -- I THINK MIKE IS RIGHT ABOUT IT.

THINK MIKE IS RIGHT ABOUT IT.

DEPENDS WHAT THE COMPANY DOES, DEPENDS WHAT THE COMPANY DOES, IT DEPENDS ON THE EMPLOYEES, I IT DEPENDS ON THE EMPLOYEES, I HAVE 19 EMPLOYEES, AND I HAVE A HAVE 19 EMPLOYEES, AND I HAVE A COUPLE THAT WOULD FIND THIS COUPLE THAT WOULD FIND THIS WORKING FROM HOME A REASON NOT WORKING FROM HOME A REASON NOT TO RETIRE.

AND THEY'RE VERY TO RETIRE.

AND THEY'RE VERY VALUABLE EMPLOYEES.

AND YOU HAVE VALUABLE EMPLOYEES.

AND YOU HAVE ONES WITH CHILDCARE ISSUES, AND ONES WITH CHILDCARE ISSUES, AND YOU HAVE ONES WITH ELDERLY YOU HAVE ONES WITH ELDERLY PARENT ISSUES, I MEAN, I THINK PARENT ISSUES, I MEAN, I THINK IN THE WORKPLACE AS A RESULT OF IN THE WORKPLACE AS A RESULT OF THIS.

I THINK MIGHT IS RIGHT ON THIS.

I THINK MIGHT IS RIGHT ON THE OTHER POINT, COMING TOGETHER THE OTHER POINT, COMING TOGETHER AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AT LEAST FOR A PERIOD OF TIME EVERY WEEK MAKES A BIG EVERY WEEK MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

YOU HAVE DEVELOPED DIFFERENCE.

YOU HAVE DEVELOPED RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE MUCH RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE MUCH BETTER THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO BETTER THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO ON ZOOM OR TEXTING, OR CALLING.

ON ZOOM OR TEXTING, OR CALLING.

AND IT DOES HELP TO BE ABLE TO AND IT DOES HELP TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL THE PLAYERS IN ONE HAVE ALL THE PLAYERS IN ONE PLACE RIGHT AT ONCE AND HASH OUT PLACE RIGHT AT ONCE AND HASH OUT DIFFERENT IDEAS.

I THINK IT WILL DIFFERENT IDEAS.

I THINK IT WILL BE MORE OF A HODGEPODGE.

I WOULD BE MORE OF A HODGEPODGE.

I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE HOPE THEY WOULD CONSIDER THE HEALTH OF DOWNTOWN, I'M NOT SURE HEALTH OF DOWNTOWN, I'M NOT SURE THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE TOP THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE TOP THREE OF THE LIST.

THREE OF THE LIST.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN REPEATEDLY PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN REPEATEDLY EMPHASIZED A NEED TO BETTER EMPHASIZED A NEED TO BETTER COMPETE WITH CHINA DURING HIS COMPETE WITH CHINA DURING HIS FIRST ADDRESS TO CONGRESS FIRST ADDRESS TO CONGRESS RECENTLY.

THAT'S A MESSAGE RECENTLY.

THAT'S A MESSAGE INDIANA U-S SENATOR TODD YOUNG INDIANA U-S SENATOR TODD YOUNG HAS BEEN PREACHING FOR A WHILE.

HAS BEEN PREACHING FOR A WHILE.

AND LEGISLATION OF YOUNG'S, AND LEGISLATION OF YOUNG'S, WHICH CLEARED A SENATE COMMITTEE WHICH CLEARED A SENATE COMMITTEE THIS WEEK, FITS RIGHT INTO THAT THIS WEEK, FITS RIGHT INTO THAT NATIONAL CONVERSATION.

NATIONAL CONVERSATION.

>> >> TODD YOUNG SAYS THE US HAS TODD YOUNG SAYS THE US HAS ALREADY FALLEN BEHIND CHINA IN ALREADY FALLEN BEHIND CHINA IN SOME HIGH-TECH CATEGORIES.

SOME HIGH-TECH CATEGORIES.

WHAT'S NEEDED TO CATCH UP AND WHAT'S NEEDED TO CATCH UP AND STAY AHEAD, HE SAYS, IS STAY AHEAD, HE SAYS, IS INVESTMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT HIS INVESTMENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT HIS ENDLESS FRONTIER ACT DOES.

IT ENDLESS FRONTIER ACT DOES.

IT WOULD DIRECT BOTH MONEY AND WOULD DIRECT BOTH MONEY AND ATTENTION TO KEY TECHNOLOGY ATTENTION TO KEY TECHNOLOGY AREAS.

AREAS.

>> U.S. SEN. TODD YOUNG >> U.S. SEN. TODD YOUNG (R-IND.

): THIS WOULD MEAN (R-IND.

): THIS WOULD MEAN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND ROBOTICS AND ADVANCED ROBOTICS AND ADVANCED MANUFACTURING AND QUANTUM MANUFACTURING AND QUANTUM COMPUTING AND GENOMICS.

COMPUTING AND GENOMICS.

>> >> YOUNG SAYS MAKING ADVANCES IN YOUNG SAYS MAKING ADVANCES IN THOSE AREAS WON'T JUST HELP THE THOSE AREAS WON'T JUST HELP THE U-S SCIENTIFICALLY, IT WILL ALSO U-S SCIENTIFICALLY, IT WILL ALSO PUT THE COUNTRY IN A BETTER PUT THE COUNTRY IN A BETTER DIPLOMATIC POSITION WITH CHINA.

DIPLOMATIC POSITION WITH CHINA.

>> U.S. SEN. TODD YOUNG >> U.S. SEN. TODD YOUNG (R-IND.

): PERHAPS THE MOST (R-IND.

): PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT NATIONAL SECURITY IMPORTANT NATIONAL SECURITY PRIORITY FOR OUR COUNTRY IN THE PRIORITY FOR OUR COUNTRY IN THE NEAR TERM.

NEAR TERM.

>> >> YOUNG'S COAUTHOR ON THE BILL IS YOUNG'S COAUTHOR ON THE BILL IS SENATE MAJORITY LEADER CHUCK SENATE MAJORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER.

THE HOOSIER LAWMAKER IS SCHUMER.

THE HOOSIER LAWMAKER IS HOPEFUL THE MEASURE WILL GET TO HOPEFUL THE MEASURE WILL GET TO THE PRESIDENT'S DESK IN THE THE PRESIDENT'S DESK IN THE COMING WEEKS.

COMING WEEKS.

>> >> JON SCHWANTES, YOUNG SPENT MOST JON SCHWANTES, YOUNG SPENT MOST OF HIS FIRST TERM WITH A OF HIS FIRST TERM WITH A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE SENATE AND A REPUBLICAN SENATE AND A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.

NOW THAT DEMOCRATS PRESIDENT.

NOW THAT DEMOCRATS CONTROL CONGRESS AND THE WHITE CONTROL CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO HOUSE, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO SHOW HE CAN GET THINGS SHOW HE CAN GET THINGS ACCOMPLISHED?

ACCOMPLISHED?

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, >> WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AND HE IS SHOWING THAT HE KNOWS AND HE IS SHOWING THAT HE KNOWS HOW TO GET IT DONE.

IN MANY HOW TO GET IT DONE.

IN MANY WAYS, HE SEEMS TO ME TO BE A WAYS, HE SEEMS TO ME TO BE A THROWBACK OR MAYBE NOT EVEN A THROWBACK OR MAYBE NOT EVEN A THROWBACK, HE IS CUT FROM THE THROWBACK, HE IS CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH THAT HIS PREDECESSORS SAME CLOTH THAT HIS PREDECESSORS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SENATORS BASICALLY FROM BOTH SENATORS BASICALLY FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE IN INDIANA, SIDES OF THE AISLE IN INDIANA, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT DAN COATS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT DAN COATS, FOR INSTANCE, DICK LUGER, THEY FOR INSTANCE, DICK LUGER, THEY PRIDED THEMSELVES ON HAVING PRIDED THEMSELVES ON HAVING REPUBLICAN CREDENTIALS AND REPUBLICAN CREDENTIALS AND CREDIBILITY WITHIN THE PARTY BUT CREDIBILITY WITHIN THE PARTY BUT AT THE SAME TIME BEING ABLE TO AT THE SAME TIME BEING ABLE TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE.

I MEAN WORK ACROSS THE AISLE.

I MEAN LOTS OF THE ACTS THAT THEY'RE LOTS OF THE ACTS THAT THEY'RE MOST KNOWN FOR OBVIOUSLY MOST KNOWN FOR OBVIOUSLY NONE -- THERE IS A CLASSIC NONE -- THERE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE.

IN MANY WAYS THIS SEEMS EXAMPLE.

IN MANY WAYS THIS SEEMS TO ME TO BE A RETURN, AGAIN, TO ME TO BE A RETURN, AGAIN, THAT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD, THAT MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT AN HOMAGE TO THE WAY THINGS BUT AN HOMAGE TO THE WAY THINGS USED TO WORK, WHICH I THINK FROM USED TO WORK, WHICH I THINK FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT IS THE A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT IS THE WAY THINGS NEED TO WORK.

PAST WAY THINGS NEED TO WORK.

PAST GRIDLOCK IN WASHINGTON.

GRIDLOCK IN WASHINGTON.

>> IS BIPARTISAN STILL A SELLING >> IS BIPARTISAN STILL A SELLING POINT TO VOTERS?

POINT TO VOTERS?

>> NOT RIGHT NOW.

IT HASN'T BEEN >> NOT RIGHT NOW.

IT HASN'T BEEN IN A COUPLE YEARS, RIGHT?

IN A COUPLE YEARS, RIGHT?

IF YOU WORK BIPARTISANLY, YOU'RE IF YOU WORK BIPARTISANLY, YOU'RE SEEN AS BEING A COWARD OR SEEN AS BEING A COWARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

A SELLOUT.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

A SELLOUT.

SO I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT SO I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT NOW.

NOW.

>> YEAH.

SAME QUESTION.

>> YEAH.

SAME QUESTION.

>> I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT ON >> I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT ON THIS ISSUE.

I THINK CHINA IS THIS ISSUE.

I THINK CHINA IS RECOGNIZED AS A THREAT BOAT RECOGNIZED AS A THREAT BOAT DIPLOMATICALLY AND DIPLOMATICALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY AND THE FACT TECHNOLOGICALLY AND THE FACT THAT HE NEEDS THE DEMOCRATS TO THAT HE NEEDS THE DEMOCRATS TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE COULDN'T GET THIS DONE BECAUSE COULDN'T DO IT UNDER DONALD TRUMP WHO DO IT UNDER DONALD TRUMP WHO ONLY WANTED TO DEMONIZE CHINA ONLY WANTED TO DEMONIZE CHINA AND NOT DEAL WITH THE FACTS OF AND NOT DEAL WITH THE FACTS OF IT.

I THINK SPEAKS TO SENATOR IT.

I THINK SPEAKS TO SENATOR YOUNG'S CREDIT, THIS IS A BILL YOUNG'S CREDIT, THIS IS A BILL THAT HE CAN SELL, WHETHER IT'S THAT HE CAN SELL, WHETHER IT'S BIPARTISAN OR NOT, HE CAN MAKE BIPARTISAN OR NOT, HE CAN MAKE THE CASE THAT WE NEED TO DEAL THE CASE THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH CHINA, AND IF THAT MEANS WITH CHINA, AND IF THAT MEANS DEALING WITH DEMOCRATS TO GET IT DEALING WITH DEMOCRATS TO GET IT DONE, I'M WILLIN TO DO IT, AND DONE, I'M WILLIN TO DO IT, AND I THINK YOU CAN SELL THAT.

I THINK YOU CAN SELL THAT.

>> IS IT TO YOUNG'S CREDIT THAT >> IS IT TO YOUNG'S CREDIT THAT THIS ISN'T LIKE, WELL, JOE BIDEN THIS ISN'T LIKE, WELL, JOE BIDEN IS TALKING ABOUT THIS, HE'S BEEN IS TALKING ABOUT THIS, HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.

TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.

>> THAT'S A MORE IMPORTANT >> THAT'S A MORE IMPORTANT POINT.

A MAILER THAT WOULD SAY POINT.

A MAILER THAT WOULD SAY ONE OF TODD YOUNG'S BILLS, WAIT ONE OF TODD YOUNG'S BILLS, WAIT A MINUTE IT WAS ABOUT CHINA.

A MINUTE IT WAS ABOUT CHINA.

>> IS THAT HIS THINKING, TOO?

>> IS THAT HIS THINKING, TOO?

>> I DON'T THINK IT ENTERED HIS >> I DON'T THINK IT ENTERED HIS THINKING.

I THINK IT DOES ENTER THINKING.

I THINK IT DOES ENTER HIS THINKING, IT IS THE WAY HE HIS THINKING, IT IS THE WAY HE SMARTLY SET UP TO GET BUY-IN SMARTLY SET UP TO GET BUY-IN FROM THE FAR RIGHT AND THE FROM THE FAR RIGHT AND THE MIDDLE, BECAUSE HE APPEALS TO MIDDLE, BECAUSE HE APPEALS TO ALL OF THEM, AND THE ISSUE IS ALL OF THEM, AND THE ISSUE IS HOW HE APPEALS TO ALL OF THEM.

HOW HE APPEALS TO ALL OF THEM.

NOT ONLY DEALING WITH THE NOT ONLY DEALING WITH THE REALITIES OF CHINA, THE REALITIES OF CHINA, THE POLITICAL REALITIES OF POLITICAL REALITIES OF WASHINGTON, D.C. WASHINGTON, D.C. >> EVEN IF YOU TOOK CHINA OUT OF >> EVEN IF YOU TOOK CHINA OUT OF THIS, IT IS STILL SMART THIS, IT IS STILL SMART LEGISLATION BECAUSE WE NEED AS A LEGISLATION BECAUSE WE NEED AS A STATE TO EMBRACE TECHNOLOGY AS A STATE TO EMBRACE TECHNOLOGY AS A COUNTRY.

COUNTRY.

>> SO TO BE FAIR, IT IS THE >> SO TO BE FAIR, IT IS THE REPUBLICAN WANTING A BIG REPUBLICAN WANTING A BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAM TO ADDRESS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM TO ADDRESS A TOPIC.

TOPIC.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER MAILER.

NOW >> THAT'S ANOTHER MAILER.

NOW THERE IS TWO.

THERE IS TWO.

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