>> let's turn now to a new poll commissioned by the detroit regional chamber and business leaders for michigan in an effort to find out if michiganders under the age of thirty are thinking about remaining in the state over the next ten years.

one, detroit contributor and detroit news editorial page editor nolan finley caught up with the chamber ceo sandy baruah to talk about the survey's findings.

[MUSIC] [MUSIC] >> we'll say to you and business leaders for michigan recently surveyed.

>> young people about their outlook for the future and particularly the future, michigan.

it's got a bit of a disturbing find finding one third of the respondents said they look out ten years.

they don't see themselves living and working in michigan.

tell us about that survey.

>> well, you know, business leaders for michigan and the detroit regional chamber thought it would be very important to figure out what young people eighteen to twenty-nine year-olds are actually thinking.

i mean, there's a lot of us.

we are my age, you your age.

we're wondering about that.

and we definitely wanted to make sure that the governor's ball mission together, populations condition had that data.

but you're absolutely right.

sixty-four percent of michiganders say they see themselves here, you know, the next ten years or more.

that's not a bad number.

but that means there's, you know, about a third michiganders young michiganders who are seriously considering moving some place else.

>> now, the purpose of this surveys to provide some guidance to the policies, the business environment, the opportunities that aren't as necessary to keep those young people interested in engage in michigan to provide the opportunities what we need to do.

>> in my mind, there are three very clear buckets.

and the first and foremost is that it's very clear that eighteen to twenty-nine year-olds want the same fundamentals that every michigander walks safe, streets, good schools, working infrastructure, you know, quality government.

that's those are the basic source of the fundamentals.

that's bucket number one.

bucket number two is something that you and i talked a lot about what is really solid job opportunities, but they just don't want jobs.

they want careers and they just don't want her ears companies.

they want two years.

companies that are exciting that are often leading edge that have, you know, really modern workplace practices and that care about their employees.

i mean, they you know, they just don't want jobs.

they want really good careers and they want a dynamic economy.

and the third bucket is is that they care about social issues.

and i know this is a little controversial, you know, but the data is what the data it is.

and that is that things like gun control, which is certainly not an issue that, you know, our organization.

and i think i can speak for blm.

this is that's not on our agenda.

but it certainly has shown in the survey results, you know, you know, woman's right to choose, you know, things like a lgbtq plus rights.

and the data shows that vast majority of people, these young people care about these issues and want to live in a state that that kind of protect those right now, it's not monolithic.

i think it's very important to remember that these are not a monolithic number.

there are people who are on the other side of the of these years.

>> sandy, one thing young families, young people are looking for when they choose a place to live our quality schools.

as your survey indicate, we have been at this for decades in terms of trying to get education, right.

michigan tried a number of different reform initiative.

what's it going to take to finally turned the corner on improving our schools?

>> well, you know, i'm one of the original members of the launch michigan initiative to take a holistic look at our k through twelve education process.

and the one thing that i can say for absolute sure is that we will not achieve what we need to achieve by simply trying to reform our current system.

we need a new system.

i think, you know, people who understand what's happening in michigan k to twelve education will tell you that we're getting the results exactly as the process and the system is designed to do that.

so it is not like we can take one piece of it.

it's not just about metrics is not just about teacher accountability.

it's not just about money.

it is about a wholesale, we think about how we educate our children, the system that we put them in, you know, how the teachers are compensated, ha and how they're treated.

you know how, you know how we hold accountable, you know, kind of at the administrative level at the building level and at the classroom level off or results were not doing that right now.

or if you are doing it, you're not doing well.

>> sending your partners at business.

leaders for michigan have mentioned michigan's lack of stick to it.

if a nurse as a barrier to progress and a lot of the areas you talked to, we started issues is and don't support them with consistent policies, consistent commitment.

what do you do about that and how big of an obstacle is that to our our progress?

>> when you think about policy initiatives or policy legislation that is passed, you know, we have this kind of flip-flop reputation in michigan.

you know, let's take our economic development policies or approach.

for example.

you know, jennifer granholm had approached, you know, i think rick snyder became governor.

he had his approach.

you know, my question, reza, slightly different approach.

we are not known for consistency, ministrations when there's a flip in party and then we change our policies.

we look at successful states states like tennessee, virginia, texas, south carolina and others.

you know, they have a very consistent approach to major major policy initiatives, including including education and including economic development.

we need to emulate that.