>>> WELCOME TO "POLITICAL REWIND," HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WITH US FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF OUR SHOW.

LET'S GET TO THE PANEL AND INTRODUCE THEM AND LOOK AT THE TOPICS IN POLITICS FOR THE SHOEMPT TRISHA MURPHY IS WITH ME, AS SHE IS ON FRIDAY.

SHE IS A POLITICAL COLUMNIST, SHE WRITES POLITICAL INSIDER COLUMN THAT APPEARS ON WEDNESDAYS AND SUNDAYS IN THE NEWSPAPER OVERSEES THE DAILY SUMMARY OF INTERESTING AND VERY IMPORTANT POLITICAL NEWS, AND SHE IS OUT THERE IN THE FIELD REPORTING ON POLITICS AS WELL.

HI, PATRICIA, HOW ARE YOU TODAY?

>> I'M DOING GREAT, THANKS, BILL.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

ANDIR GILLESPIE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, I INTRODUCE YOU AND YOU JUST HAD A PROGRAM YOU WERE TELLING US BEFORE THE SHOW, WHAT DID YOU JUST DO A PROGRAM ON AND HOW DOES IT REPRESENT THE WORK YOU ARE DOING AT THE INSTITUTE?

>> WE HAVE A PUBLIC DIALOG SERIES AND WE HAVE A WEEKLY EVENT WHERE WE BRING IN ARE A AUTHOR THAT TALKS ABOUT THE BOOK THEY HAVE WRITTEN TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

OUR PUBLIC DYING LOG WAS ABOUT ASIAN AMERICAN SOLIDARITY.

WE HAVE HAD A GREAT PANEL OF FOLKS THAT STUDY THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ASIA AND BLACKNESS, THE STUDY OF ASIA AMERICAN'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IN THE LATE TWENTYth CENTURY.

IF YOU CANNOT WATCH THEM IN PERSON, YOU CAN YOU CAN WATCH THEM AT THE YOUTUBE CHANNEL THAT WE DEVELOP THERE.

>> MAYBE WE CAN PUT UP A LINK TO THE WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE CAN CHECK OUT THE JAMES WELDIN JOHNSON INSTITUTE AND THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE RUN THERE.

RENEE -- >> HOW CAN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING WITH THIS GORGEOUS SUNNY WEATHER OUT THERE.

>> I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO GO THAT DIRECTION.

LET'S GET STARTED, PATRICIA, WE HAVE TALKED ON THE SHOW FOR WEEKS NOW ABOUT THE NUMEROUS BILLS THAT REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS HAVE BEEN PRODUCING, AND OVERSEE AND RESTRICTING THE COURSES THAT CAN BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS.

THE NEWEST IS FROM DAVID KNIGHT, IF I CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO FRAME THIS, IN THE CONTEXT OF A COLUMN THAT YOU PUT UP ON WEDNESDAY.

WHICH TOOK A LOOK AT THE EFFORT TO GET A CLARENCE THOMAS STATUE ON THE GROUNDS OF THE STATE CAPITOL, BUT PUT IT IN THE LARGER CONTEXT OF HOW THAT AND THE DEBATE OVER THAT RELATES TO THE LARGER DEBATE OF WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS.

TELL US FIRST ABOUT THE CLARENCE THOMAS DEBATE AND LET'S RELATE IT TO THIS NEW PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND THE OTHERS OUT THERE.

>> SO THE STATE SENATE THIS WEEK DEBATED A MEASURE TO PUT A STATUE OF CLARENCE THOMAS ON CAPITOL GROUNDS.

AND CLARENCE THOMAS IS OF COURSE FROM PINPOINT, GEORGIA, A TINY LITTLE TOWN OUTSIDE OF SAVANNAH, ROSE TO GO TO YALE LAW SCHOOL AND OF COURSE A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT, SO JUST A VERY DISTINGUISHED, REMARKABLE STORY.

BUT THE DEBATE IN THE SENATE WAS REALLY ABOUT WHETHER HE HAS AN INCREDIBLE LIFE STORY BUT WHETHER HE -- IN THE SENATE.

THAT WAS DIVISIVE, AND THE SENATE INTRODUCED THE BILL KNOWING THE THOMAS FAMILY SAYING IT'S A WONDERFUL FAMILY.

CLARENCE THOMAS HAS DONE INCREDIBLE WORK.

EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW HIM AND LIVE BY HIS EXAMPLE BY COMING TO THE STATE CAPITOL.

VERY QUICKLY, BLACK LAWMAKERS CAME AND SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT.

SOME BLACK LAWMAKERS SAID LISTEN, LET'S SEE THE FULL BODY OF CLARENCE THOMAS WORK.

BUT SENATOR NICKY MERIT SAID, LISTEN, BLACK AMERICANS AND BLACK GEORGIANS CONSIDER HIM A TRAITOR.

HE HAS BETRAYED US.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO HONOR A BLACK MAN, THIS IS THE WRONG MAN TO PICK OUT TO DO IT AND SHE SAID HIS WORK, WORK ON THE SUPREME COURT HAS BEEN BAD FOR BLACK AMERICANS AND IT'S SET HIM BACK IN THAT HIS WORK ON THE SUPREME COURT HAS SET THEM BACK.

IT SHOWED HOW EMOTIONAL A SINGLE ISSUE ON A PRESENT DAY FIGURE CAN BE, EVEN AMONG ADULTS.

SO LATER IN THE AFTERNOON A LOT OF THE SAME SENATORS WERE AT A HEAR BACKGROUND A BILL FROM SENATOR BO HATCHET AND THAT REALLY TAKES UP THE QUESTION OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

THE BILL DOES NOT MENTION CRITICAL RACE THEORY.

BUT IT SAYS SCHOOLS IN GEORGIA, CANNOT TEACH DIVISIVE CONCEPTS AND IT SHOULD BE FORBIDDEN.

>> A FASCINATING POINT YOU MADE, THIS IS NOT JUST A DEBATE ABOUT HISTORY AND WHERE GEORGIA HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, IN TERMS OF RACE.

BUT, THE CLARENCE THOMAS DEBATE BRINGS IT BACK, WE STILL FIGHT THAT FIGHT TODAY.

ANDRE, YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS FOR A MINUTE.

I WENT TO PINPOINT, GEORGIA WHEN THOMAS WAS NOMINATED TO DO STORIES WITH THE COMMUNITY DOWN THERE ABOUT HIS LIFE, TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM AND THEN GOT ON A BUS THAT PEOPLE FROM PINPOINT HIRED TO DRIVE THEM TO WASHINGTON FOR THE CONFIRMATION HEARING.

SO, THERE WAS ENORMOUS EXCITEMENT IN HIS HOMETOWN ABOUT HIS ELEVATION TO THE COURT OR HIS POTENTIAL ELEVATION TO THE COURT AT THAT POINT.

ON ONE HAND, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT HIS STORY IS, IS REALLY A VERY SPECIAL ONE.

COMING FROM POVERTY, GOING TO YALE LAW, AND THEN ENDING UP ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.

AND YET, THERE'S SO MUCH DISSENSION ABOUT THE WAY HE HAS BEEN MAKING DECISIONS ON THE COURT THAT HAVE NOT SEEMED TO REFLECT THE VERY THINGS THAT HELPED HIM GET AHEAD AS AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN.

>> YOU KNOW, AND THIS ONE IS A TOUGH CALL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL FACT IS THAT CLARENCE THOMAS IS A SIGNIFICANT PERSON FROM THE STATE OF GEORGIA.

IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT THERE'S LAWMAKERS THAT WANT TO HONOR HIM WITH A STATUE.

I THINK IT IS A PROBLEM WHERE IT IS TIED UP WITH SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATIONS.

AS THERE'S DEBATE OF TAKING DOWN STATUES TIED TO THE CIVIL WAR, THE STATUE OF A BLACK MAN IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK SOME REPUBLICANS SEE AS PLAY ENGINE TO THE REPRESENTATION, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, HE IS VIEWED CONTROVERSIALLY.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE RECORD.

YES, THERE WERE AFRICAN-AMERICANS THAT WERE SUPPORTIVE OF HIS NOMINATION EVEN AFTER THE ANITA HILL ISSUE.

I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK OF THE COMPLICATES WAYS AND THOMAS' COLOR BLIND PHILOSOPHY THAT SOME AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO.

AND SOME LEGISLATORS ARE TAKING ISSUE WITH.

ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE, SORT OF, IN TERMS OF WHO WE HONOR, WHAT IS IT?

IS IT AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OR IS IT APPRAISE IN SOME PERIOD.

I WILL GO BACK TO THE YALE EXAMPLE.

CLARENCE THOMAS WOULD HAVE GONE, I WAS THERE WHEN ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL COLLEGES WAS NAMED FOR JOHN C CAL HOUSTON AND THAT CHANGED RECENTLY AND CAL HOUSTON WAS A FIRST COLLEGE TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMATIC NAMING.

BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY DECIDED THAT OVERALL, HIS ONLY SORT OF HISTORICAL CONTRIBUTION IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS WAS THE IDEA OF UNTIL YOU INDICATION AND SUSSESSION, IT WAS SO TIED TO BLACK PEOPLE THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING ELSE REDEEMING FOR CAL HOUSTON TO PRESERVE THE NAME.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK SIMILAR QUESTIONS ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS.

>> YEAH, SO, A RENEE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT SAID, AGAIN, ONE OF THE POINTS THAT PATRICIA WAS MAKING, IS WE, THE RACIAL TENSION, DISSENSION, TROUBLES UNDERSTAND HOW LONG WE DEAL WITH RACE AT THIS STATE.

IT'S NOT JUST A MART OF LOOKING AT THE CURRICULUM THAT IS BEING TAUGHT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF GEORGIA, IT'S BRINGING IT UP TO THE VERY PRESENT AND IN SOME WAYS, THAT, THAT IS A REALLY, EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANT POINT TO MAKE.

WE ARE LIVING WITH THIS EVERY DAY.

>> YEAH, IT'S, IT'S SUCH AN AMAZING TIME THAT WE ARE LIVING IN.

CHANGES EVERYWHERE.

TRANSFORMATION EVERYWHERE.

AWAKENING FROM STUDENTS, CURRICULUM, ETCETERA.

FOLKS JUST AREN'T GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE AND THEY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH AND OTHER FOLKS JUST DON'T REALLY WANT TO OFFER THE TRUTH.

AND YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WITH ALL OF THIS CRAZY BOOK BANNING MOVEMENTS AND THIS ANTI-CRT BILL.

I MEAN, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU SEE SOMEBODY STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP AND HAVING THE ABUSER COME BACK WITH THESE BILLS SAYING NO.

YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T READ THAT.

AND WE DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH.

IT'S ALARMING.

I DO THINK THAT THE ZEITGEIST IS POINTING TO OUR RECOGNIZING OUR FRAUGHT HISTORY, I THINK OF THE MOVIE "WATCHMEN."

IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE TULSA RACE MASSACRE WAS DISCUSSED IN POPULAR CULTURE IN A FILM.

THAT CONNECTED, WE TALKED LAST YEAR ABOUT THE TULSA RACE MASSACRE.

AND NO ONE IS TAUGHT THAT IN SCHOOL.

THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

PARENTS MIGHT BE UNCOMFORTABLE BUT KIDS CERTAINLY, THEY KNOW BETTER.

THEY ARE [ INAUDIBLE ] >> THAT IS NOT GOING TO TAKE WHAT IS HAPPENING.

I THINK THE BILLS ARE A DISCONNECTION FROM WHAT IS REAL OUT THERE.

I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK OF -- ELEMENTARY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT, BUT IT'S WELL DONE.

IT SPEAKS TO THE USUAL OF TEACHERS AND WHAT THEY GO THROUGH AND TEACHING AS AN HONORABLE PROFESSION.

WHEN YOU WATCH ITIT, IT'S SO WILDLY POPULAR.

IT'S TEACHING MORE TO OUR STUDENTS OF WHAT THE EDUCATION IS.

AND THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, AND WHAT IS RELEVANT.

>> IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER THE BACKLASH YOU ANTICIPATE MAY TAKE SHAPE T MEASURES ARE MOVING FORWARD IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

THERE'S AT AT LEAST FOUR MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED THAT WILL HAVE IMPACT THAT IMPACTS CURRICULUM AND WHAT CAN AND NOT BE TAUGHT AND WE HAVE A KNEW BILL FROM DAVID KNIGHT, A REPUBLICAN FROM DEMEREST GEORGIA, HE DOES NOT HAVE A BILL.

HE HAS SENT A LETTER TO THE UNIVERSITIES ACROSS THE STATES.

STATE UNIVERSITIES SAYING I WANT YOU TO DOCUMENT FOR ME WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN TERMS OF TEACHING ANTI-RACISM, SOCIAL JUSTICE IN YOUR CLASSROOMS AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT SORT OF EFFORTS YOU ARE MAKING FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF INCREASING INSTITUTIONAL ADVERSITY, EQUITY AND, INCLUSION, ADVOCACY AND ACTIVISM.

HE IS GOING BEYOND THE CLASSROOM, SAYING HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU PAYING THEM AND WHAT ARE WE TAKING FROM ALL THIS?

AND SO, HIS EFFORT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS FASCINATING.

ONE OF THE AUTHORS HE CITES IN WANTING TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN CLASSROOMS IS A COLLEAGUE OF ANDRE GILLESPIE.

ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY RESPECTED WRITERS ON ANTI-RACISM IN THE COUNTRY, KNIGHT APPARENTLY IS CONCERNED ABOUT HER BOOKS BEING TAUGHT IN THE UNIVERSITIES ACROSS THE STATE.

>> THIS LETTER WENT TO EVERY UNIVERSITY IN THE STATE.

AHD OF THE EDUCATION SUBCOMMITTEE IN THE STATE APPROPRIATION HE'S COMMITTEE.

IT'S THE GUISE, THAT WE WANT TO HE SEE HOW OUR DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT, IT TALKS ABOUT HAVE ANY OF THE INTERVIEWS INCLUDED QUESTIONS ABOUT QUOTE ANTI-RACISM, IT'S NOT REALLY ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT ANTI-RACISM, IT'S DOES THIS WORD DOES COME UP.

DOES THE WORD ANTI-RACISM COME UP IN ANY LITERATURE OR TRAINING THAT HE HAS BEEN USING TO THE LAST 2-5 YEARS.

IT GOES THROUGH ASKING A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT FOR THE OVERALL TOPIC OF DIVERSITY AND IT IS BEING DONE ASKING ABOUT SPECIFIC WORDS, SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, SPECIFIC TITLES OF BOOKS THAT WOULD BE, WE CAN ASSUME PROBLEMATIC, AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.

IT'S ANOTHER WAY, YOU CERTAINLY CAN EXPECT IT TO HAVE A CHILLING AFFECT FOR UNIVERSITIES TO SAY, YIKES, WE DON'T WANT TO GET THIS LETTER AGAIN.

LET'S THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED FOR.

IN THAT WAY, IT'S A POWER APPROACH.

IT'S STRAIGHT TO THE HEART SAYING, TELL ME MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND TELL WHY.

AND I WILL TELL YOU IF I'M GOING TO FUND THAT FUTURE TO HAVE SOMEBODY CLOSE TO YOU AT THE UNIVERSITY, CARE ANDERSON CITED MUST BE PERSONALLY CHILLING.

>> NO, IT'S NOT PERSONALLY CHILLING AND I HAVE KNOWN CAROL FOR 15 YEARS AND SHE WILL NOT BE COWED BY THIS.

SHE IS SOMEBODY I COUNT AS A FRIEND.

I REMEMBER WHEN SHE NOT HIRED.

SHE WORKED HER DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTIC AS A SCHOLAR.

THERE ARE NOT AS MANY PEOPLE WHO STUDY AFTER CAN AMERICAN HISTORY THAT ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIPLOMATIC AND FOREIGN POLICY L ENS, SHE IS BRILLIANT AND A DEDICATED TEACHER.

SHE IS ONE OF THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST.

SHE IS THE MEMBER OF THE ACADEMY OF ARTS AND SCIENCES.

THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT YOU WANT TO BE TAUGHT IN A CLASSROOM YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT WHY PROFESSORS NEED TO HAVE TENURE.

TEACHERS NEED TO NETWORK AND FIND THE THING.

AND SAY THINGS THAT ARE DIFFICULT WITHOUT INTERFERENCE.

WHETHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL CAMPUS POLITICS OR EXTERNAL POLITICAL A CAL POLITICS AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY OF TRAINING ADULTS SO, I AM THINKING OF UNDER GRADUATE AND GRADUATE STUDENTS.

IF YOU SAY, YOU CANNOT TEACH CAROL ANDERSON AND SAY FROM THE BEGINNING, IT'S A GREAT SORT OF POLITICAL THEORY OVER VIEW FROM WHAT AFRICAN-AMERICAN -- HAS LOOKED LIKE OVER TIME, WE ARE MAKING THEM LESS COMPETITIVE ON THE JOHN MARKET AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY TERRIBLE.

>> I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.

DAVID NIGHT ASKED TO KNOW ABOUT BOOKS BY THE SAME AUTHOR WHO WROTE ONE OF THE MOST WELL RECEIVED BOOKS ON ANTI-RACISM IN THE AFTER MATH OF THE GEORGE FLOOD MURDER.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOU STARTED ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC IN THE SHOW TODAY.

>> YESTERDAY, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR JEFF DUNCAN WHO IS NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION, NEVER THE LESS, HOLDS AN IMPORTANT AND POWERFUL POSITION AS PRESIDENT OF THE GEORGIA STATE SENATE.

CAME OUT WITH THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION SAID HE OPPOSES THE CITY OF BUCKHEAD.

IT'S AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT, THIS MOVEMENT APPEARS TO BE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS STARTING TO HAVE PUSH BACK, YES?

>> UNDOUBTEDLY, WITH JEFF DUNCAN COMING OUT AGAINST CITY HOOD, IT SEEMS LIKE THE MAYOR'S CHARGE OFFENSIVE IS WORKING.

SOME SAY THEY ARE IN A PAUSE MODE AND WANTS TO GIVE THE NEW TAX BILL AND ANTI-CRIME MEASURES TIME TO WORKER THEIR WAY THROUGH.

THIS MAKES CITY HOOD FOR BUCKHEAD, MUCH LESS LIKELY TO PASS OBVIOUSLY AND IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.

AND IT MAKES YOU THINK HOW IT IS STARTING.

AND THE FOLKS LEADING THE CHARGE FOR BUCKHEAD CITYHOOD, WHAT IT MEANS FOR ATLANTA, THE CHANGING NATURE OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA.

AND OF COURSE THE LEADER OF BUCKHEAD CITY, WHICH IS BILL WHITE, WHO, YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF THESE FAST TALKERS THAT COMES AROUND AND SEEMS TO CONVINCE EVERYONE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT WAY THAT AMERICA SHOULD BE RUN.

AND YOU KNOW, HIS BOMBASTIC TONE IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT GEORGIA'S FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF THE SUCCESS REALLY SHOULD BE EMBEDDED WITH.

SO, IT'S JUST NOT LOOKING GOOD AT ALL.

I THINK YOU WILL SEE A RESOUNDING APPLAUSE FROM THE ATLANTA PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, IT'S GOING TO BE A RIPPLE AFFECT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

>> CERTAINLY YOU ARE WELCOME TO ADD TO THE STATEMENT ITSELF, BUT, THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS, THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING.

YOU WILL HAVE TO TELL US IF THERE'S MORE TO PASS.

TELL US ABOUT THE CONVERSATION.

I THINK IT WAS WITH DOG BUSTEIN, HE THINKS A BETTER WAY TO ADDRESS CRIME IN BUCKHEAD AND AROUND THE STATE IS HIS PROPOSAL FOR A TAX CREDIT FOR UP TO $5,000 FOR INDIVIDUALS OR ORGANIZATIONS, BUSINESSES, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THERE'S SPECIFIC PURPOSES THAT NEED TO, THE MONEY NEEDS TO BE APPLIED FOR.

HIRING, RETAINING OFFICERS AND THE LIKE.

AND THAT PROPOSAL IS REALLY A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND AN INTERESTING ONE COMPARED TO SEVERING THE WHOLE AREA AWAY FROM THE CITY.

SO, WEIGH IN ON ALL THIS FOR US.

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT HAS A REALLY GREAT CHANCE OF PASSING.

IT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT IS VERY REPUBLICAN FRIENDLY AND IT EMPOWERS INDIVIDUALS TO SUPPORT THE POLICE ON TOP OF PUBLIC FUNDING AND IT DOES FIND A NEW AVENUE FOR FUNDING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT I THINK MANY PEOPLE WILL BE AGAINST IN THE LEGISLATURE.

IT'S A GREAT WENT ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S WEALTHIER COMMUNITIES THAT CAN AFFORD THEIR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

THAT'S A DEBATE THAT THEY WILL HAVE.

I DO THINK THAT THE BUCKHEAD MOVEMENT HAS HAD A BAD WEEK.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I WOULD SAY, HAS BEEN WHO IS THE CEO OF THE BUCK HEAD MOVEMENT.

HE POSITED A THEORY SAYING WE ARE MISSING -- AND MAYBE IT'S CONNECTED TO THE MARTA CEO WHO COMMITTED SUICIDE.

THAT WAS A DEAR PERSONAL FRIEND OF MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN THE LEGISLATURE.

INCLUDING SOME OF BUCKHEAD CITY'S BIGGEST BOOSTERS.

SO, WHITE HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

HE HAS WORKED TO ATTACK PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST BUCK IT WILL HEAD CITY.

HE HAS PUT PEOPLE'S NAMES AND ADDRESSES OUT, AND IT'S BEEN CONTROVERSIAL.

THIS CHOICE TO ATTACK JEFFREY PARKER FELT LIKE A REACH TOO FAR FOR A NUMBER OF LAWMAKERS THAT SAID WHAT IS THIS MOVEMENT ALL ABOUT, IF THIS IS THE PERSON LEADING IT.

IT'S NOT COMPLETELY OVER.

JEFF DUFRPG AN WAS AGAINST SB202 AND IT DID PASS.

BUT BETWEEN THE TWO EVENTS, I THINK IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC.

>> LET'S TO THIS, LET'S GET THE FIRST BREAK OF THE SHOW OUT OF THE WAY RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE PANEL.

AND WE WILL DO IT AFTER THESE MESSAGES.

>>> IF YOU ARE WONDERING HOW AN ORGANIZATION AND VENUE THAT THAT IS ABOUT AS UNCONTROVERSIAL AS POSSIBLE COULD BE CAUGHT UP IN A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT IS SHARED BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE, IT'S IN FACT CAUGHT UP IN CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING RINGS, YOU SHOULD READ THE NEW REWIND NEWS LETTER THAT YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO RIGHT NOW BY GOING TO GPB.ORG/NEWS LETTERS THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE NEWS LETTER THIS WEEK.

IT'S CRAZY.

BUT IT HAS NOT GOT EASY PAY AS MUCH ATTENTION AS IT SHOULD DESERVE.

WE HAVE HEADLINES THE POLITICAL STORIES IN GEORGIA.

GPB/NEWS LETTER WILLS, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU BECOME A SUBSCRIBER.

LET'S DO ELECTION NEWS.

THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR'S ASSOCIATION TOOK AN UNPRECEDENTED STEP FOR THEM.

>> THEY WEIGHED IN ON THE RACE BETWEEN DAVID PURDUE AND BRIAN KEMP FOR GOVERNOR WE KNOW AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN A PRIMARY CONTEST BETWEEN TWO REPUBLICANS, EARLIER THE RGA DID SAY THEY WILL SUPPORT INCUMBENTS IN RACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND NOW THEY HAVE DONE IT.

NOW THEY HAVE PUT MONEY BEHIND BRIAN KEMP.

INTERESTING.

>> SONNY PURDUE HAS CLOSE ASSOCIATES THAT USED TO BE WITH THE RGA, THE RGA HAS A LOT OF CLOSE, FORMER STAFF MEMBERS WITH THEM COMING OUT IN FAVOR OF BRIAN KEMP OVER BRIAN PURDUE.

IT IS ALSO A VOTE OF CONFIDENCE IN THE PRIMARY FOR KEMP AGAINST PURDUE THAT IS VERY WELL DONE.

IT TALKS ABOUT HIS EFFECTIVENESS AS GOVERNOR AND MAKING THE CASE THERE'S NO REASON TO CHANGE GOVERNORS YOU HAVE A GOOD GOVERNOR IN THE OPINION OF REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS.

IT'S WELCOME NEWS BY THE CAMPAIGN.

THE SURFACE OF LEADERSHIP AND OTHER PARTS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY GOING IN HIS WAY.

ON THE SURFACE.

THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTUM MOVING TOWARD KEMP.

WHAT WE TONIGHT KNOW IS WHAT THE HARD CORE TRUMP PEOPLE OUT THERE, THE BASE, IS THINKING OF THIS AUTO ELECTION AND AS LONG AS DONALD TRUMP IS ATTACKING BRIAN KEMP, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT?

THAT BASE OR THOSE LEADERSHIP GIFTS AND THE MONEY GOING TO BRIAN KEMP?

WE ARE WITNESSING SILVER WAR IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY LIKE PARTY HAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

THE EXTREME RIGHT WING HAS BEEN FRIGHTENINGLY SUCCESSFUL IN TAKING OVER THE PARTY.

BUT THERE'S STAUNCH CONSERVATIVES THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT TAKING THINGS TOO FAR.

I THINK WE ARE AT A MAKE OR BREAK MOMENT IN OUR DEMOCRACY.

WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

A FEW HOLD ON TO THE CONSERVATISM HIS RECORD IS 100% IN LINE.

SOMETHING OF THE AFFECT OF SHAME FALLS ON A PARTY THAT WOULD CENSURE PERSONS OF CONSCIENCE AND IT MAKES YOU THINK OF WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND HOW IT STARTS TO BUILD UP IN THE GOP BATTLE WITH THE WELL-FUNDED ABRAMS MACHINE WHEN IT COMES TO ALL THINGS GEORGIA.

SO, WE ARE IN FOR INCREDIBLY EXCITING TIMES.

DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE OF THE GOP YOU ARE ON.

NOT EVEN DEMOCRAT GOP, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT SINCE DONALD TRUMP WAS OPENLY CRITICIZING HIM.

JUST BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T LIKE YOU DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN BASE OF SUPPORT.

THEY WERE AROUND BEFORE TRUMP CAME ON THE SCENE AND SOME OF WILL BE AROUND AFTER HE IS GONE.

WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE MANIFESTATION SAYING TRUMP WOULD HAVE LIKED THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT, AND HE DOES NOT NECESSARILY NEED IT IN ORDER TO WIN THE NOMINATION.

WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT COMES TO FRUITION.

AND WHILE WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE IDEALISM OF TRUMPISM FOSH A LONG TIME WE HAVE OVERESTIMATED THE IMPORTANCE OF A TRUMP ENDORSEMENT PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE -- HE CANNOT TAKE EVERYONE OUT.

THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE I THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN AFRAID TO DO IT.

AND WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT MAY BE WILLING TO STAND UP TO THEM AND I CANNOT PREDICT THAT EVERYONE WILL SURVIVE POLITICALLY IN THIS ELECTION CYCLE YEAR.

BUT I THINK SOME OF THEM WILL.

AND IT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT LESSON FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE TRUMP WING IN PARTICULAR.

>> THANK YOU, PATRICIA, IN OTHER ELECTION NEWS.

THERE'S BEEN REPORTS OF HERSHEL WALKER'S MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS.

WE LEARNED ABOUT IT LONG BEFORE HE WAS A CANDIDATE FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE CAN AND THERE'S BEEN REPORTING ABOUT VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN, PARTICULARLY HIS FORMER WIFE.

BUT NOW THE ASSOCIATED PRESS HAS ADDED MORE DETAIL TO INCIDENTS THAT WALKER WAS INVOLVED WITH.

IN 2001, AP REPORTS THE POLICE IN IRVING, TEXAS, WHERE WALKER LIVED WITH HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN WERE CALLED TO HIS HOME, WALKER WAS INSIDE THE HOUSE BRANDISHING A GUN.

AP REPORTS THAT HIS WIFE AT THE TIME AND CHILDREN WERE VERY FRIGHTENED BY HIS BEHAVIOR, WHICH SEEMED OUT OF CONTROL.

AND AP ALSO REPORTS THAT HE SAID AS HE WAS INSIDE THE HOUSE, THAT HE WAS GOING TO PREPARE FOR A SHOOTOUT WITH THE POLICE.

THAT IS KIND OF THE KIND OF DETAIL REALLY, REALLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DRIVE HOME THE IMPORTANCE OF PAYING ATTENTION.

>> HERSCHEL WALKER DOES NOT SPEAK TO US AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK TO HIM AND HE HAS -- THERE'S NOT A LOT OF EVIDENCE ABOUT HIS PERSONAL LIFE, AND PERCENTAGE REALLY STRUGGLES THAT HE HAD AS AN ADULT AND ALL OF THAT, THOSE, THOSE DETAILS ARE REALLY IN TEXAS.

THE AP HAS BEEN ABLE TO REPORT IT OUT AND IT PAINTS A PORTRAIT OF A TURBULENT, TROUBLED SITUATION.

THERE WAS A POLICE STANDOFF OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE.

THE AP GOT INFORMATION ABOUT A DALLAS COWBOYS CHEER LEADER WHO THE POLICE SAID WERE VERY SCARED AND WORRIED ABOUT HERSCHEL WALKER A LOT DID NOT LEAD TO AN ARREST, IT MAY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE HE WAS FAMOUS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHY ANY OF IT LED TO ACTION BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT CREATES A BROADER, DETAILED SITUATION WITH A NUMBER OF MORE VIOLENT INCIDENTS THAN WE KNEW ABOUT AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE DOCTOR WHO DIAGNOSED WALKER WITH DISSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER.

THIS DOCTOR HAS DONE QUITE A BIT OF WRITING ABOUT THE OCCULT AND PEOPLE BEING POSSESSED BY SPIRITS AND THAT'S THE CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS THAT WE HAVE BEEN RELYING TO UNDERSTAND HE HAS THIS DISORDER.

AND SO IT RAISES A LOT OF WITH QUESTIONS.

SO, DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT VETTE HIS CANDIDATES.

IT'S LIKE, ARE YOU MY FRIEND?

YOU HAVE MY ENDORSEMENT.

THIS RAISES ANOTHER SITUATION AND TRUMP HAS HAD IT WITH OTHER CANDIDATES THAT WITHOUT BACKGROUNDS HE SEEMS LIKE A GREAT CANDIDATE AND THE MORE VOTERS LEARN ABOUT WALKER THEY MAY BE TROUBLED ABOUT IT.

WE WILL SEE WHAT LAWYERS DO WITH IT.

>> THAT SAME PSYCHIATRIST WAS A BIG BELIEVER IN GAY CONVERSION THERAPY THAT HE PRACTICED AS WELL, SO HE HAS A CAREER OUT THERE ON THE MARGINS IN PSYCPSYCO THEY HAVE -- ISSUES THAT MAYBE TROUBLING TO THAT CANDIDATE CAN BE VETTED IN THE PRIMARY AND THE CANDIDATE CAN RESPOND TO THEM AND VOTERS CAN SEE IT AT THE TIME IT'S UNFOLDING AND BY THE TIME THE GENERAL ELECTION CAME AROUND, THE CANDIDATE CAN SAY, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND VOTERS HAVE ACTED.

IT DOES NOT GIVE THE OPPOSITE PARTY AS MUCH ANIMATION TO WORK WITH.

IS THAT TRUE IN A RACE LIKE THIS, DESPITE THAT YOU HAVE THREE OTHER PEOPLE RUNNING FOR SENATE, THEY ARE NOT GETTING ATTENTION IN THE TERMS OF THE WAY THEY ARE REACTING TO HERSCHEL WALKER.

I'M NOT SURE THEY WILL GET THE AIR TIME OR RESONATE IN A WAY THAT COULD DEFEAT HIS CANDIDACY.

AND I THINK HE HAS WAYS TO GO ON THE ATTACK WITHOUT NECESSARILY PICKING ON WALKER'S MENTAL HEALTH.

WHILE I DON'T THINK IT WILL RESONATE IN THE SAME WAY IS BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE STORY.

I THINK PEOPLE WILL SAY, IT'S HAPPENED 20 YEARS AGO.

BARRING HIM HAVING A PUBLIC EPISODE NOW WHERE PEOPLE SEE IT IN REAL TIME.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE SUPPORTERS OF HIM, THAT WILL FIND A WAY TO RATIONALIZE THE SUPPORT AND TO DISCOUNT THE TROUBLING STORIES THAT THEY ARE HEARING.

I'M NOT SURER THAT THAT SORT OF HEARING ABOUT SORT OF THE BACKGROUND OF HIS THERAPIST WILL MATTER.

I READ HIS APPROACHES TO THERAPY DIFFERENTLY.

WHAT GOT MY ATTENTION IN THE ARTICLE WAS HE HAS A PH.D.

IN PHILOSOPHY, SO I WENT TO CHRISTIAN TELEVISION WEBSITES, THEY MENTION HE HAS A COUNCILING WITH A MINOR.

SO I WAS LIKE WHERE DID THAT COME FROM.

YEAH, I WOULD NOT GO TO A PHILOSOPHER FOR THERAPY.

BUT YEAH, YEAH, THE THING THAT IS INTERESTING, WHEN HE IS TALKING ABOUT DEMON POSSESSION AND I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WATCHING CHRISTIAN TELEVISION, THEY WILL SAY, YOU KNOW IT'S ILLNESS VERSUS DEMON POSSESSION, DRAWING ONLINE A BRAIN AND IDENTIFYING IT THROUGH COLOR IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE HEARD BEFORE, AND DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

THERE'S THINGS ARE TROUBLING BUT PEOPLE THAT FIND IT TROUBLING WILL BE -- DOESN'T DEMON POSSESSION AND WHAT NOT, DOESN'T IT FEEL LIKE TRUMP AND HIS ENDORSEMENT IS REALLY ASKING FOR A REALITY SHOW.

IF YOU HAD HERSCHEL WALKER AND THESE OTHERS ON FEAR FACTOR, IT WOULD MAKE FOR GREAT TV VIEWING THAT IS HOW HE IS MAKE DECISIONS ON WHO HE IS ENDORSING.

IS THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT CANDIDATES LIKE THIS WILL WITHSTAND THE SCRUTINY THAT WILL COME WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE ELECTION WILL SHAPE UP TO BE.

WE WILL ALL FIND OUT SO MUCH MORE AS NOVEMBER APPROACHES.

WE WILL SEE HOW HE IS GOING, YOU KNOW, DODGE AND WEAVE AND JUKE HIS WAY TO THE FIELD GOAL.

TO THE ONE-YARD LINE.

WELL, BEFORE WE GET TO THE FINAL BREAK OF THE SHOW.

PATRICIA, TO PUT A CAP ON THIS POINT IN THE CONVERSATION.

WE SHOULD POINT OUT IN THE LATEST FUNDRAISING IN THE PERIOD.

THE LAST THREE MONTHS.

WARNOC FAR OUT-WEIGHED THE NOMINEE, I THINK HE RAISED $9.6 MILLION.

BUT HE IS PROVING HIMSELF TO CONTINUE TO BE A POWERFUL, POWERFUL FUNDRAISER.

>> YEAH, WARNOC HAD MORE THAN $20 MILLION.

HE RAISED ANY MORE CANDIDATE.

HE IS IN A STRATOSPHERE OF HIS OWN.

AND RAISED MONEY FOR A GOP PRIMARY.

THERE'S LONG BEEN A NARRATIVE THAT CANDIDATES OF COLOR CANNOT RAISE MONEY.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO.

COULD NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES THESE TWO CANDIDATES HAVE CLOBBERED AND PUT IT TO BED.

THESE ARE THINGS THEY ARE GETTING BEHIND.

HE WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD TO THAT.

HE IS ALREADY SPENDING MONEY ON ATLANTA TV.

VERY POSITIVE BIO-ADS AND TELLING GEORGIANS, I SEE YOU, AM YOU, I HEAR YOU.

AND HE IS DOING IT IN AN EXPENSIVE MARKET.

HE IS IN A GREAT PLACE TO RUN POSITIVE ADDS.

THE BEST SCENARIO, FOR A CANDIDATE, IT'S TO DEFINE YOURSELF BEFORE THE OPPOSITION DEFINES YOU AND WALKER, I MEAN, WARNOC IS IN THAT POSITION RIGHT NOW.

LET'S GET TO THE FINAL BREAK OF THE SHOW AND BE BACK WITH MORE IN A MINUTE.

>>> WELCOME BACK TO POLITICAL REWIND.

OF COURSE, I'M HAPPY THAT YOU ARE WITH US FOR OUR SHOW TODAY, LET'S D.O.A.

DO ONE MORE ELECTION STORY BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

LET ME START WITH YOU ON THIS ONE.

RENEE, IF I MIGHT, WE KNOW THAT VERNON JONES, WHO WAS RUNNING FOR THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION FOR GOVERNOR HAS DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE BECAUSE HE RECOGNIZED, APPARENTLY THAT HE HAD MORE BARGAINING POWER WITH DRUMP, WHERE HE ON COULD IS HAVE CAUSED A POSSIBLE RUN-OFF BETWEEN PURDUE AND KEMP AND GOT IN ANOTHER RACE HE THOUGHT HE COULD GET TRUMP'S SUPPORT.

WHICH HE HAS NOW.

HE HAS ENTERED THE TENTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT REPRESENT ARE CAN PRIMARY.

HERE'S THIS AFRICAN-AMERICAN, WHO WAS A DEMOCRAT FOR DECADES AND BECOMES A TRUMP ALLY AFTER 2016 AND IT WILL BE FASCINATING TO WATCH WHETHER OR NOT HE CAN CONNECT WITH THOSE VOTERS IN THE TENT, AND WHETHER TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT OF HIM WILL HAVE AN IMPACT IN THAT WAY?

>> YEAH, JONES SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE POLITICAL SHAPE SHIFTERS, OPERATE?

LIKE RYANY JACKSON OR LINDSEY GRAHAM OF LATE, WHO WILL GO ALL IN ON TRUMP IF HE THINKS IT WILL GET HIM A LOT OF ATTENTION, A LOT OF MONEY, AND A PATHWAY TO WHAT THEY MAY THINK IS AN ELECTED POSITION.

YOU KNOW, HE WAS A DEMOCRAT AND HE HAS A QUESTIONABLE RECORD HE HAS HIS FANS AND A LOT OF FOLKS THINK OF THAT, AND ETDS, THAT HE WILL IMPEACH BIDEN AND HARRIS ON DAY ONE.

HE IS ON THE GREEN PATH THAT WE HAVE SEEN ALIENATING FOR HER AND FOR THE CONSTITUENTS OF GEORGIA.

HOW DO THE CONTROVERSIAL CANDIDATES IMPACT THE VOTERS THEY REPRESENT AND THEY DO.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY DO.

IT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY RURAL WHITE AREA OF GEORGIA.

IS HE GOING TO RESONATE, WILL HIS PIVOT TO RUNNING TO THE CUSTOMER -- >> HE IS CALLING HIMSELF THE BLACK DONALD TRUMP AND TRUMP VOTERS DON'T CARE IF HE IS A DEMOCRAT THE CHALLENGE IS HE IS NOT WELL KNOWN IN THE DISTRICT.

WHEN I WOULD GO TO TRUMP RALLY, HE WAS THE SECOND LOUDEST IN RALLIES OF 10,000, AND 20,000 PEOPLE.

AND THE FIRST WAS DONALD TRUMP.

SO HE HAS A HUGE FOLLOWING AMONG TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND IN THE RACE IS MIKE COLLINS.

WELL KNOWN EXECUTIVE, TIMOTHY BARR, A MEMBER OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE, ALL OF THEM ARE RUNNING FOR THAT TRUMP LINE.

ALL OF THEM WANT THAT TRUMP ENDORSEMENT, VERNON JONES HAS IT AND NOBODY KNOWS WHO HE IS.

SO, WE WILL HAVE TO REALLY WAIT AND SEE HERE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT FOR HIM.

HE COULD NOT STAY IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, AND SO, THIS IS, I THINK THE NEXT BEST THING IN THEIR OPINION TO HAVE A CHANCE AND LISTEN , THERE'S A NOT SMALL CHANCE HE COULD GET TO CONGRESS AND SIT NEXT TO MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN AT -- >> AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT BLACK REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES WINNING OVER SUPPORT OF WHITE VOTERS.

WHITE REPUBLICAN VOTERS IN THEIR DISTRICT.

MY COLLEAGUES TALKED ABOUT MICHAEL STEELE AND HOW HE UNDER PERFORMED IN THE WHITER MORE REPUBLICAN PARTS OF MARYLAND WHEN HE RAN FOR THE IS NOT.

THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE CASE TODAY, SO I BRING IT UP BECAUSE HE IS BLACK AND MAY BE IN A DISADVANTAGE.

AND VERNON JONES MAY BE IN A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE HE IS CARPET BAGGING.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT HE IS HOPING FOR IS TO MAKE IT TO SECOND PLACE IN A WIDE FIELD SO HE CAN RUN OFF THE ELECTION.

THIS IS ONE OF THE CASES, WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT LIKE IN 2022, THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT MAY GIVE HIM NOTICE AND IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WILL OFFSET THE LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE WITH THIS DISTRICT WHO ARE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

OKAY.

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN'S NAME HAS COME UP SEVERAL TIMES ON THE SHOW TODAY, I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND I SAID IN A NOTE TO ALL OF YOU THAT WENT OUT YESTERDAY ABOUT THE TOPICS THAT I HOPED WE DISCUSSED, I SAID, I WAS NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN'S CALLING THE CAPITOL POLICE GEZPACHO POLICE, MEANING OF COURSE GESTPAO POLICE, GOTTEN A LOT OF PLAY IN THE MEDIA, ESPECIALLY AMONG THOSE THAT WANT TO HAVE A LAUGH AT HER EXPENSE.

BUT I WAS NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THIS STORY, PATRICIA, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OUTRAGEOUS TRULY OFFENSIVE THINGS THAT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN HAS SAID, THIS SEEMS LIKE A SILLY DISTRACTION AND YET, IT'S A MEASURE OF HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANT TO NOT LIKE HER THAT IT BECOMES A BIGGER DEAL, YES?

YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO PART WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, BILL.

>> OKAY.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN IS GOING BACK TO COMPARING THE HOLOCAUST TO ANYTHING THAT SHE IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT AND EQUATING HER OWN EXPERIENCE OF SOMEONE WHO IS BEING PERSECUTED BY A NAZI 'ESQ REGIME AND IT'S INAPPROPRIATE AND SHE PROMISED TO STOP DOING IT SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

SHE IS ANTI-FACT, ANTI-SCIENCE, ANTI-HISTORY.

SHE HAS A HUGE FOLLOWING.

KEVIN McCARTHY ASKS HER OPINIONS ON THINGS.

SHE IS AN IMPORTANT PLAYER AND I THINK -- PEOPLE APPRECIATE HER SAYING THAT.

PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HER LIKE HER.

THIS IS PART OF WHAT THEY LIKE ABOUT HER.

IT'S DANGEROUS, IN MY OPINION.

AND I HAVE A COLUMN ABOUT IT TODAY, BILL.

>> OKAY, WE WILL POST IT.

>> IT WROTE IT FOR SUNDAY AND I HAD TO TAKE IT ON.

>> I THINK YOU CALLED ME OUT APPROPRIATELY.

I THINK THAT -- >> IT NOT YOU, BILL, IT'S THE WORLD.

>> NO, I THINK THAT NOT RECOGNIZING WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT IS NOT MISNAMING THE GESTPAO, IT'S ONCE AGAIN THEY INVOKED THE HOLOCAUST.

>> THANK YOU, WE ARE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.

A QUICK COMMENT, LIKE 20, 30 SECONDS.

>> BRINGING IT BACK TO BOOK BANNING.

THE QUEEN OF TWITTER CLAP BACKS.

ALEXANDRIA OCASIA-CORTEZ TWEETED, SHE CLEARLY BANNED ALL BOOKS FROM HER HOUSES YEARS AGO WHICH I FOUND AMUSING.

SADLY THOUGH AND CAN I AGREE WITH THE PANEL HERE.

THERE'S, THERE ARE INCREDIBLY SERIOUS NOTES HERE, AS FUNNY AS IT IS AND IT WILL BE A JOKE ON SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE.

IT'S INDICATIVE OF THE JOHN KENNEDY'S, MADISON HAWTHORNE IS WEARING THE IGNORANCE AS A BADGE OF HONOR.

>> YOU HAVE TEN SECONDS TO ADD SOMETHING.

>> ONE, IT'S A TROPE OF IGNORANT SOUTHERNERS THAT I BRISTO AT, AND IF WE ELECT SOMEBODY TO CONGRESS, THEY SHOULD DO THEIR HOME WORK.

BY DOING IT OVER AND OVER, SHE'S DEMEANING HER OFFICE.

>> WE ARE OUT OF TIME, THANK YOU ALL FOR A FASCINATING CONVERSATION.

I HOPE YOU ALL OUT THERE HAVE A TERRIFIC WEEKEND, OF COURSE, WE ARE BACK WITH A NEW SHOW ON MONDAY, IN THE MEANTIME, TAKE CARE, STAY HEALTHY.

AND THE CDC SAID STILL WEAR A MASK, I'M GOING WITH THEM.

GO OUT AND GET A BOOSTER.

SEE Y'ALL NEXT WEEK.