♪♪ >>> WELCOME TO ANOTHER EDITION OF "POLITICAL REWIND."

I'M BILL NIGUT.

THIS IS A FRIDAY SHOW SO THERE ARE MANY WAYS YOU MAY BE TUNED IN TO US.

YOU MIGHT BE LISTENING LIVE IN THE MORNING EDITION.

YOU MAY BE LISTENING TO OUR REPEAT ON THE RADIO AT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.

MAYBE YOU ARE WATCHING US AT 7:00 IN THE EVENING ON THE GPB STATE TELEVISION NETWORK.

I WANT TO MAKE JUST A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T MENTIONED IT BEFORE.

THE TV VERSION OF THE SHOW, WE ALL DECIDED SHOULD RUN THROUGHOUT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND SO ONCE THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ENDS, "POLITICAL REWIND" IS GOING TO GIVE WAY AGAIN TO PBS NEWS HOUR AND OTHER PROGRAMMING, BUT WE WILL BE WITH YOU THROUGH THE END OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION ON TV AND WE'LL BE WITH YOU ON RADIO, ON THE PODCAST, ON LINE EVERY DAY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY OUT THERE.

LET'S GET RIGHT TO OUR PANEL TODAY.

PATRICIA MURPHY, POLITICAL REPORTER AND POLITICAL COLUMNIST FOR "ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION."

YOU READ HER COLUMN ON WEDNESDAYS AND SUNDAYS IN THE NEWSPAPER AND SHE ALSO OVERSEES THE JOLT, THE DAILY SUMMARY OF INTERESTING AND OFTEN IMPORTANT NEWS GOING ON IN POLITICS.

HI, PATRICIA.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE JOINED BY RENE ALEGRIA, THE CEO OF MUNDO HISPANICO DIGITAL.

RENE, I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR WEBSITE THIS MORNING, AGAIN, AND ONCE AGAIN, NOT SURPRISING, UKRAINE DOMINATES THE HOME PAGE.

>> GOOD MORNING, BILL.

YES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S WHAT THE WORLD IS TALKING ABOUT AND CERTAINLY WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN RIGHT NOW.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GET TO SOME NEWS ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH GEORGIA POLITICAL FIGURES ARE DEALING WITH UKRAINE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, BUT BEFORE THAT, LET'S INTRODUCE PROFESSOR ANDRA GILLESPIE.

SHE'S A PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE AT EMORY UNIVERSITY AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE JAMES WHELDON JOHNSON INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF RACE AND DIFFERENCE.

HOW ARE YOU TODAY, ANDRA?

ANDRA, DO WE HAVE YOU?

>> HI, BILL, HOW ARE YOU?

>> I'M FINE.

>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU'RE DOING OKAY.

WE WERE HAVING A LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY BUT I'M HOPING WE HAVE IT RESOLVED.

HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> I'M DOING FINE.

THANKS.

>> I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

LET'S GET TO IT.

PATRICIA, LET ME START WITH YOU.

WE KNOW THAT EVER SINCE HERSCHEL WALKER DECIDED HE WOULD RUN FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE, THAT THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THAT THE CAMPAIGN HE WOULD RUN WOULD BE VERY, VERY LOW KEY, WOULD NEED TO BE VERY, VERY LOW KEY, BECAUSE THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH HE REALLY KNEW ABOUT CERTAINLY THE WORLD POLITICAL LANDSCAPE, REALLY WHERE HE STOOD ON A VARIETY OF ISSUES THAT MATTERED TO MOST VOTERS AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT HE HAS KEPT HIS CAMPAIGN VERY LOW KEY.

BUT THIS PAST WEEK, WE SAW TWO EXAMPLES OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HERSCHEL WALKER ESSENTIALLY IS CAUGHT ON TAPE MAKING STATEMENTS THAT SIMPLY DON'T RING TRUE.

HAVE I GOT THAT RIGHT, PATRICIA?

>> I WOULD SAY YES, YOU'VE GOT THAT RIGHT.

WE HAVE NOT SEEN A WHOLE LOT OF HERBAL WALKER IN PUBLIC EVENTS WITH OPEN INVITATIONS.

HE DOES DO QUITE A BIT OF CAMPAIGNING BUT DOES THAT IN CLOSED REPUBLICAN PARTY MEETINGS.

HE DOES THAT AT CHURCHES.

SOME OF THOSE CHURCHES HAVE 3,000 PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.

THEY'RE THE HUGE MEGACHURCHES THAT HE'S BEEN GETTING IN FRONT OF.

EVEN THE SETUP OF THOSE CHURCHES IS QUITE FRIENDLY.

AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE IN A CHURCH, HE'S WELCOMED ON THE STAGE, IT'S AN INTERVIEW FORMAT, SO HE IS NOT DOING A SPEECH.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INSTANCES WHERE HE IS PUT IN AN INTERVIEW FORMAT WHERE SOMEBODY ELSE IS PROMPTING HIM WITH QUESTIONS.

IT'S A WAY FOR HIM TO EASE INTO THE SITUATION AND LEARN ON THE JOB, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH LEARNING ON THE JOB IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME MISTAKES.

AND IT'S HARD TO KNOW RIGHT NOW FROM THE MISTAKES, IF THESE ARE ANSWERS HE REALLY WANTS TO BE GIVING.

WE DON'T SEE ENOUGH OF HIM TO KNOW THAT AND I DON'T THINK HE'S DOING ENOUGH OF THEM TO SMOOTH THIS OUT IN A WAY THAT OTHER CANDIDATES MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE.

>> WELL, LET'S ACTUALLY LISTEN TO ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS PAST WEEK HE DID THAT KIND OF INTERVIEW IN A CHURCH SETTING WITH A PASTOR IN A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, AND IN THAT INTERVIEW, HE DECIDED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT EVOLUTION.

LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT HERSCHEL WALKER SAID.

>> THAT MEANS SOMEBODY UP THERE HAS TO LET THERE BE LIGHT THAT EARTH STARTED, AND HE HAD TO PUT SOMEONE ON EARTH, ADAM WAS THERE.

REMEMBER, ADAM CAME DOWN AND THEN EVE CAME.

SOMEBODY HAD TO START IT OUT.

SO THAT MEANS THERE HAD TO BE A GOD.

IT ISN'T JUST SOME BOMB BLEW UP.

I TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE I HEARD AND I THINK ABOUT THIS, SO AT ONE TIME SCIENCE SAID MAN CAME FROM -- DID IT NOT?

>> EVERY TIME I READ OR HEAR THAT I THINK TO MYSELF, YOU JUST DIDN'T READ THE SAME BIBLE I DID.

>> THIS IS WHAT'S INTERESTING, THOUGH.

IF THAT IS TRUE, WHY ARE THERE STILL -- >> YOU'RE GETTING TOO SMART FOR US.

>> THINK ABOUT THIS.

WE HAVE AN EVOLUTION WE'VE GOTTEN SO INTELLIGENT IF THAT IS TRUE WHY ARE THERE STILL THEM.

THEN THE CONCEPTION OF A BABY.

SCIENTISTS CAN'T DO THAT.

THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO DO THAT BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A GOD.

WHEN GOD CAME AND SAID LET ME CREATE -- >> HERSCHEL WALKER, RENEE, WANTS TO KNOW IF EVOLUTION IS REAL, WHY ARE THERE STILL APES?

I GET IT.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS, PARTICULARLY, THAT DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION, THEY ACCEPT THE BIBLICAL WORD ON THE WAY IN WHICH THE WORLD WAS CREATED AND THE WAY MAN CAME TO BE.

BUT RENE, I HAVE NEVER HEARD A THEORY THAT SUGGESTS THAT IF EVOLUTION EXISTS THERE WOULDN'T BE APES ANYMORE?

>> WELL, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY?

IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR SOMEONE WHO'S THE FRONTRUNNER OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY RIGHT NOW SPEAK LIKE THAT, SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, RUN FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE AND REPRESENT THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE IN GOD, THAT DO BELIEVE IN FACT.

YOU KNOW, I -- THIS IS A MAN WHO, IN 2022, CLAIMED TO HAVE SPECIAL FDA APPROVED MIST THAT YOU COULD SPRAY YOURSELF WITH TO PREVENT CODE COVID.

COVID.

HE HAS A HISTORY OF SPOUTING SUCH THEORIES THAT ARE HARMFUL.

WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE, IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN FOR THE SENATE, WELL THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, WELL, THE REST OF US AND THOSE WHO DO BELIEVE IN SCIENCE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU MATCH HIM UP WITH WARNOCK WHOSE SLOGAN IS, I SEE YOU, I FEEL YOU, I HEAR YOU, WHICH JUST SEEMS SO REASONABLY EMPATHETIC, IT'S HARD TO SEE HOW THE DIFFERENCES CAN BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY FOLKS WHO ARE REASONABLY MINDED.

>> PATRICIA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE AND WHAT DO YOU CONCLUDE FROM FIRST THAT SOUND BUT ANOTHER SOUND BITE IN A MINUTE WHICH HAS MORE TO DO WITH WORLD AFFAIRS AND MORE RELEVANT IN TERMS OF WHAT HERSCHEL WALKER UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, BUT TO TALK ABOUT THE EVOLUTION SOUND BITE, WHAT DOES THAT LEAD YOU TO THINK?

>> IT LEADS KNOW THINK THAT HERSCHEL WALKER IS A CELEBRITY WHO PEOPLE LIKE A LOT.

THE ANSWER IN THAT ROOM WAS NOT REJECTED.

THE PASTOR RESPONDING TO HIM DID SORT OF LAUGH IT OFF, HOLD ON YOU'RE GETTING TOO SMART FOR US.

HE HASN'T BEEN CHALLENGED, AND HE HAS NOT BEEN CHALLENGED OR EVEN HAVE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS TO SAY, COULD YOU TELL US WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT?

IT TELLS ME THAT GEORGIANS HAVE NO IDEA WHO HERSCHEL WALKER REALLY IS.

THEY KNOW HE WAS A WONDERFUL ATHLETE, HAS AN INSPIRING PERSONAL STORY, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT HERSCHEL WALKER.

HE HAS NOT LIVED IN GEORGIA FOR 30 YEARS AND HE'S NOT TAKING QUESTIONS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO KNOW BETTER IS THIS SOMEBODY I KNOW, SOMEBODY I AGREE WITH, IS THIS SOMEBODY WHO IS CAPABLE OF HOLDING ANY OFFICE, LET ALONE THE UNITED STATES SENATOR.

>> I THINK THAT YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT THAT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT.

AGAIN, I GET IT, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION, BUT YOU SAID, IT TELLS US HOW LITTLE PEOPLE REALLY KNOW ABOUT WHAT HERSCHEL WALKER BELIEVES IN.

LET ME PLAY THE OTHER SOUND.

THIS COMES FROM HIS APPEARANCE OUT IN CARROLLTON.

HE WENT TO SPEAK TO THE ROTARY CLUB THROUGHOUT AND, OF COURSE, HE WAS ASKED, UNDERSTANDABLY, ABOUT THE RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE, AND IN HIS REMARKS ABOUT THAT, HE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT NATO.

LET'S LISTEN.

>> WHAT'S GOING ON IN UKRAINE IS TER BE.

NATO, I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE NOT GETTING INVOLVED.

YOU LET SOMEBODY THREATEN YOU.

PUTIN IS THREATEN YOU IF YOU YOU GET INVOLVED.

HE'S NOT AS POWERFUL AS THEY THINK HE IS.

HE'S NOT AS POWERFUL AS THEY THINK HE IS OR HE WOULDN'T BE DOING WHAT HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW.

SHOULD WE USE OUR STRENGTH?

I THINK IF I WAS BIDEN, WHICH I'M NOT BECAUSE I'M YOUNGER, I WOULD PRESSURE NATO TO GET INVOLVED.

>> SO, PATRICIA, NATO IS DEEPLY INVOLVED AND ALTHOUGH REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE CRITICAL, ESPECIALLY IN RECENT DAYS OF HOW THEY THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS HANDLED THE SITUATION IN UKRAINE, EARLY ON HE WAS WINNING PRAISE ACROSS THE AISLES FOR THE FACT THAT HE HAD DONE A GOOD JOB ENGAGING EUROPEAN LEADERS AND NATO IN THIS CONFLICT.

IT STRIKES ME IN MANY WAYS, THIS IS THE MORE PERTINENT MISUNDERSTANDING THAT HERSCHEL WALKER EXPRESSES.

>> RIGHT.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING, A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, WHAT HE REALLY MEANT WHEN HE WAS SAYING THAT.

DO YOU MEAN WE SHOULD HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND?

IF THEY WERE IN REAL INTERVIEW FORMATS WITH PEOPLE WHO NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE ANSWERS HE'S GIVING, WE COULD FIND ALL OF THIS OUT.

HIS CAMPAIGN IS CHOOSING TO KEEP HIM IN FRIENDLY INTERVIEW FORMATS AND IN FRIENDLY CROWDS SO THAT HE DOESN'T GET THOSE KIND OF FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS.

AT A CERTAIN POINT THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE UNACCEPTABLE.

HE'S GOING TO NEED TO START ANSWERING REAL QUESTIONS.

VOTERS DESERVE THAT.

IT WILL NOT GET HIM FAR IN A GENERAL ELECTION.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE OTHER REPUBLICANS I TALK TO START TO GET REALLY WORRIED.

THEY KNOW THEY DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT HERSCHEL WALKER.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT WHAT HE THINKS OR HOW HE WILL PERFORM IN A REAL INTERVIEW SETTING, IN A REAL DEBATE SETTING.

THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN ABOUT REPUBLICANS -- HE HAS SKY-HIGH NUMBERS.

THAT'S THE HERSCHEL WALKER PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW.

BUT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO THINK ABOUT HIM WHEN THEY KNOW THE HERSCHEL WALKER WHO HE REALLY IS.

MAYBE THEY WILL LIKE HIM, MAYBE THEY WON'T, BUT THAT'S A RISK FOR REPUBLICANS RIGHT NOW.

>> YEAH.

RENE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT AND SAID ON THE SHOW A COUPLE OF TIMES IS THAT THERE IS A RISK TO NOT BEING VETTED BY JOURNALISTS IN A PRIMARY CAMPAIGN BECAUSE WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS IF YOU DON'T ANSWER QUESTIONS WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING IN THE PRIMARY WHERE WE KNOW HERSCHEL WALKER HAS A LEAD OF 60, 70 POINTS AND MORE OVER HIS OPPONENTS THEN HIS VIEWS AREN'T GOING TO GET LOOKED AT AS CAREFULLY, HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS PATRICIA IS TALKING ABOUT, AND IF HE HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THE GENERAL ELECTION TO BE QUIZZED AND COME UP WITH ANSWERS TO IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, THAT CAN BE VERY DAMAGING TO THE CANDIDATE, YES?

>> INCREDIBLY DAMAGING.

THAT'S WHAT -- WHETHER YOU, YOU KNOW, TRUST THE MEDIA OR NOT AND SOURCES, AGAIN, JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT MEDIA YOU'RE WATCHING, LISTENING TO, READING, THE FUNCTION OF A SOLID DEMOCRACY IS HAVING A STRONG JOURNALISTIC COLUMN FROM WHICH TO VET CANDIDATES.

WE MAKE CANDIDATES BETTER AS WE GET TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY BELIEVE, AND AS A RESULT, ELECT THE RIGHT ONE.

OKAY.

I THINK -- >> GO AHEAD.

>> AND I THINK THAT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AND IT'S REALLY TO THE DETRIMENT OF HERSCHEL WALKER'S CAMPAIGN.

THEY THINK THEY'RE PROTECTING HIM BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE'S GOING TO BE EGG ON HIS FACE AND THERE HAS BEEN EVERY TIME HE'S BEEN CAUGHT WITH A HOT MIC.

>> I'M HOPING THAT ANDRA, WE'VE MANAGED TO SUCCESSFULLY GET YOU BACK AND I APOLOGIZE TO OUR LISTENERS AND TO YOU BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOVES TO HEAR YOUR ANALYSIS OF TODAY'S POLITICS.

ARE YOU WITH US AGAIN, ANDRA?

>> I'M SORRY TO SAY, I DON'T HEAR ANDRA GILLESPIE RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S DO THIS.

WE'VE GOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT WITH HERSCHEL WALKER.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE WHO MADE COMMENTS THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE VERY OFFENDED BY AND UPSET ABOUT IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS.

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WE ARE STILL TRYING REALLY HARD TO GET ANDRA GILLESPIE UP AND RUNNING SO WE CAN INCLUDE HER IN THE INFORMATION TODAY.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERSCHEL WALKER AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS HE MADE THAT HAVE CAUSED PEOPLE TO WONDER EXACTLY WHO HE IS.

IT'S GOT TO BE PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING TO HIS OPPONENTS ALL WORKING HARD TO TRY TO WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, GARY BLACK, ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR ELECTED OFFICIALS STATEWIDE IN GEORGIA AS IN HIS WORK AS AGRICULTURE COMMISSIONER AND YET, HE COMES THE CLOSEST TO WALKER IN POLLING, BUT BY THAT, I MEAN, HE'S IN THE HIGH SINGLE DIGITS, WALKER UP THERE 60, 70% OF THE VOTE.

THEY'RE STARTING TO FIGHT HARDER.

THEY'RE STARTING TO ATTACK HIM MUCH MORE OPENLY NOW, AREN'T THEY, PATRICIA?

>> THEY REALLY ARE.

WE SAW THESE OTHER THREE REPUBLICANS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GARY BLACK, REALLY RELUCTANT TO FRAME THEMSELVES ONLY AS ATTACKING HERSCHEL WALKER.

THEY WANTED TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.

THEY WANTED TO GET THEIR OWN THE REALITY IS THAT REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE JUST NOT LISTENING AND SO THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE FINDING THAT THEY CAN START TO HOPE TO SLOW HERSCHEL WALKER DOWN RIGHT NOW IS TO ATTACK HIM DIRECTLY AND SAY PUBLICLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THEM PRIVATELY.

CALVIN KING, WHO IS AN AIR FORCE ACADEMY GRADUATE, VERY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN, SENT US AN OP-ED THAT SAID THAT A REPUBLICAN NOMINATION IS NOT AN AUTOGRAPH TOUR.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING A CELEBRITY AND SHOWING UP AND LEAVING.

IT'S ABOUT HAVING THE DEBATES AND CONVERSATIONS.

BUT HERSCHEL WALKER IS NOT GOING TO DEBATE THESE OTHER THREE CANDIDATES.

HE'S NOT GOING TO SHARE THE STAGE.

HE'S NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM THE EXTRA PUBLICITY THEY'LL GET AND RISK HIMSELF IN A WAY WHEN HE IS ASKED THE HARD QUESTIONS.

THEY DON'T NEED TO TAKE THAT RISK RIGHT NOW.

I'LL TELL YOU, IN TALKING TO REPUBLICAN VOTERS THERE IS A TEFLON QUALITY TO HERSCHEL WALKER THAT REMINDS ME A LOT OF DONALD TRUMP WHEN I TALK TO THESE VOTERS.

THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE KNOWN HIM, APART FROM POLITICS, FOR 30 YEARS.

THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE KNOWN HIM, SOME OF THE YOUNGER ONES THEIR WHOLE LIVES AND EVEN YOUNGER VOTERS DO KNOW WHO HERSCHEL WALKER IS IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY ELECTORATE AND IT IS REALLY, I'M FINDING, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE AJC REPORTS ABOUT HIM.

WE HAD A HUGE INVESTIGATION ON HIS PAST BUSINESSES FULL OF BANKRUPTCIES, LOANS NOT REPAID, COURT ACTIONS, PPP LOANS, ONE OF WHICH HAS BEEN REPAID AND ONE HAS NOT, THE BUSINESSES ARE SMALLER THAN ADVERTISED, BUT COMING FROM THE MEDIA THAT DOESN'T MAKE A DENT WITH THIS REPUBLICAN ELECTORATE.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THESE OTHER CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO TO CATCH HIM.

THEY NEED TO RAISE MORE MONEY, GET THEMSELVES ON TELEVISION AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES IN A STATEWIDE SORT OF BROADCAST WAY, AND HOPE THAT HERSCHEL WALKER MAKES A MISTAKE, BUT HE'S BEEN MAKING MISTAKES AND AGAIN, THE GEORGIA REPUBLICAN VOTERS WHO, LISTEN, THEY LOVE DONALD TRUMP, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA AND HERSCHEL WALKER IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT VORTEX AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY KNOW HIM AND NEW INFORMATION IS NOT CHANGING WHO THEY THINK THEY KNOW RIGHT NOW.

>> RENE, HERE IS JUST A LITTLE FROM THE OP-ED PIECE THAT PATRICIA REFERS TO THAT CALVIN KING WROTE.

HERSCHEL WALKER TALKS ABOUT WORKING HARD AND FIGHTING FOR THE INTERESTS OF GEORGIANS YET WORKS BEHIND THE SCENES TO ENSURE A LEVEL OF LEB CELEBRITY COMFORT AND ELUSIVENESS SEPARATING HIMSELF FROM THE QUESTIONS AND ENGAGEMENT THAT GEORGIANS DEMAND AND THEN GOES ON AND SAYS, WHEN WALKER QUALIFIED LAST WEEK REPORTERS SWARMED THE CANDIDATE HUNGRY TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS.

THE RESULTS WERE AS ONE MIGHT EXPECT, PUZZLING, SPEAKING ABOUT HIMSELF IN THE THIRD PERSON HE GAVE MOSTLY BAFFLING RESPONSES TO BASIC INQUIRIES.

WHAT DID COME ACROSS LOUD AND CLEAR, ZERO INTENTION OF DEBATING IN THE PRIMARY.

HE GOES ON FROM THERE, THIS BY THE WAY, SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU AND I DISCUSSED A FEW MINUTES AGO, GETTING VETTED BY THE PRESS EARLY ON IS BETTER THAN HAVING IT COME LATER IN THE CAMPAIGN.

BUT SPEAK TO THIS NOTION HE IS THE TEFLON CANDIDATE AND DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OTHER THREE UNLESS SOMETHING BLOWS UP IN A BIG WAY TO CATCH HIM IN THIS PRIMARY.

>> WELL, JUST IMAGINE HOW IRRITATED HIS OPPONENTS ARE WITH HIM RAKING IN MONEY.

HE CONTINUES TO POLL WELL, NO MATTER WHAT HE SAYS HE'S THE FRONTRUNNER.

IMAGINE.

I DO THINK THAT WE'RE LIVING IN A POLITICAL ERA OF CELEBRITY AND THAT CELEBRITY IS PLAYING OUT LIKE REALITY TV AND WHO SET THE TEMPLATE FOR THAT REALITY TV TYPE CANDIDACY BUT DONALD TRUMP.

WALKER'S THE NUMBER ONE BENEFACTOR.

WHAT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING IS TO SEE HOW THAT ENDORSEMENT OF TRUMP PLAYS OUT.

WILL IT HELP?

WILL IT NOT?

IN THE MEANTIME WE'RE GOING TO WATCH HERSCHEL WALKER'S CAMPAIGN SCUTTLE HIM AROUND AND HIDE HIM FROM HERE AND THERE AND EVERY TIME HE DOES SAY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL PRIVY TO ACTUALLY LISTEN TO SO THAT WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF PEEK INTO WHAT HE'S THINKING AND WHAT MAKES HIM TICK, UP TO THIS POINT HEARING HIM SPEW QUESTIONABLE IGNORANT RHETORIC.

I MEAN IT'S PART OF THE POLITICAL PROCESS, RIGHT, FROM NOW UNTIL NOVEMBER WE'VE GOT A LONG WAY.

WE'LL KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT HIM, WE HOPE, RIGHT, AS THE WEEKS AND MONTHS PROGRESS.

IF YOU WERE HIS OPPONENT RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, YOU JUST WOULD BE WRINGING YOUR HANDS AND PULLING OUT YOUR HAIR WITH HOW IN THE WORLD THEY CAN ACTUALLY PUT THEMSELVES OUT FRONT SO THAT THEY CAN INTRODUCE AS PATRICIA SAID, TO THEMSELVES TO CANDIDATES SO THEY KNOW WHAT THE FOIL IS TO THE HERSCHEL WALKER'S CANDIDACY.

>> SO LET'S MOVE ON.

PATRICIA, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, I HAVE TO SAY, I ALWAYS SAY IT, BECAUSE WE INVARIABLY GET PEOPLE WHO ARE HEARING THE SHOW, WHO SAY WHY DO YOU TALK ABOUT HER, JUST GIVING HER MORE ATTENTION, AND YET, I THINK THE SPEECH SHE GAVE THIS WEEK, IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO MARJORIE TA TAYLOR GREEN WHETHER SOME PEOPLE THINK WE'RE ADVANCING HER CAUSE MAKING HER MORE FAMOUS OR NOT.

I'M REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT SHE GAVE AN ODD SPEECH, AND THE REASON I SAY IT WAS ODD, IT WAS ONLINE, THE TITLE CARD THAT WAS PUT UP BEFORE SHE SPOKE SAID SOMETHING -- I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT QUOTE, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE ADDRESSES THE NATION.

SHE WAS SITTING IN A SETTING IN WHICH THERE WERE FLAGS ON BOTH SIDES.

IT WAS A PRESIDENTIAL-STYLE SETTING FOR THE SPEECH.

BUT, OF COURSE, WHAT SHE SAID BUZZ MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO TALK ABOUT.

SHE SAID, THE UNITED STATES SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN THE CONFLICT IN UKRAINE, WHICH IS WHY SHE'S VOTING AGAINST SENDING MORE AID OF ANY SORT, FINANCIAL, MILITARY, EQUIPMENT, AND THE LIKE, TO UKRAINE.

SHE SAID THAT UKRAINE CANNOT WIN THE WAR.

SHE SAID THAT THE -- UKRAINIANS AND THE RUSSIANS WERE BOTH COMMITTING WAR CRIMES.

THERE WERE WAR CRIMES HAPPENING ON BOTH SIDES.

AND THEN SHE HAD SOME OF THE HARSHEST WORDS WE'VE HEARD YET FROM ANY REPUBLICAN ABOUT PRESIDENT BIDEN.

LET'S LISTEN.

>> YET, AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE BEING EXPECTED TO FUND AND ARM TROOPS RESISTING AN INVASION HALF WAY ACROSS THE WORLD.

THIS IS MADNESS.

IT CANNOT BE ALLOWED.

THE TRUTH IS THAT UNDER BIDEN, AMERICA'S NO LONGER IN CHARGE ON THE WORLD STAGE.

OUR FRIENDS AND ENEMIES ALIKE SEE THIS ONCE GREAT NATION LED BY A WEAK, DEMENTIA RIDDEN FOSSIL IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

PATRICIA.

>> SO I THINK AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE WAS SAYING, IT'S IMPORTANT TO WATCH HOW SHE'S VOTING AND THESE ARE REAL VOTES.

SHE DOESN'T SIT ON COMMITTEES BUT SHE DOES HAVE A VOTE IN THE U.S. HOUSE AND SO THIS SPEECH WAS GIVEN IN TANDEM WITH HER VOTE WHICH WAS AGAINST TAKING AWAY TRADE STATUS WITH RUSSIA, WHICH IS A PART OF RUSSIAN SANCTIONS.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN HOPES ALL OF CONGRESS WOULD DO, AND MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE'S SPEECH, WHILE SHE'S CRITICIZING JOE BIDEN FOR BEING WEAK, SHE IS ALSO CALLING ON THE UNITED STATES TO WITHDRAW ALL SUPPORT FROM UKRAINE, WHICH OPENS UP AN ENTIRE VULNERABILITY FOR NATO AND ALL OF WESTERN EUROPE.

SHE IS CALLING ON DOING NOTHING TO PUSH BACK PUTIN, AND THEN HER VOTES ARE TRACKING EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

THEN THE PEOPLE SHE'S JOINING IN THESE VOTES WITH IS THEY VERY SMALL, VERY STRANGE GROUP, FRANKLY, PRO--PUTIN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, I SAY PRO-PUTIN BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING THE VOTES THAT VLADIMIR PUTIN WANTS TO SEE AND IN THAT GROUP ARE MASSEY, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, LOUIE GOHMERT, MATT GAETZ, FAR RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO WATCH BECAUSE THEY REPRESENT AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE GOP PRIMARY ELECTORATE.

THESE ARE PEOPLE LIVING IN GEORGIA.

THESE ARE PEOPLE VOTING FOR MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE.

TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS SUPPORT FOR THESE VIEWS IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S HAPPENING AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT SHE'S SAYING AND WHY IT'S APPEALING TO SOME AMERICANS.

BUT THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT SHE SAID, LITERALLY MAKES NO SENSE.

EVERYTHING SHE SAID ARE REPEATING A NUMBER OF KREMLIN TALKING POINTS, SAYING THAT THE EARLIER CONFLICT IN UKRAINE WAS FULL OF BREACHES OF PEACE AGREEMENTS ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS TOTALLY INACCURATE.

IT WAS CHARACTERIZED BY RUSSIA INVADING UKRAINE.

THAT WAS THE VIOLATION OF THE PEACE AGREEMENT.

THIS IS NOT THE ONLY INVASION OF UKRAINE THAT RUSSIA HAS CONDUCTED.

IT HAPPENS TO BE THE MOST AUDACIOUSLY LETHAL.

SO MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, I REALLY INCREASINGLY BELIEVE IS JUST A DANGEROUS VOICE NOT JUST IN GEORGIA BUT ON THE WORLD STAGE.

>> RENE, CERTAINLY WEIGH IN TO WHATEVER YOU WANT ON ALL OF THIS, BUT IT DOES STRIKE ME THAT MARJORIE TAYLOR -- THERE IS AN AUDIENCE FOR WHAT SHE IS SAYING.

WE KNOW THAT.

BUT THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK ABOUT FATHER COUGHLIN, CHARLES LINDBERG IN THE RUN UP TO AMERICA'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR WERE OPPOSED TO.

THERE WERE ISOLATIONISTS DURING THE RUN UP TO WORLD WAR II IN THE UNITED STATES BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE KIND OF MEGA PHONES THAT FATHER COUGHLIN DID, CHARLES LINDBERGH DID, AND MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE TO THE EXTENT SHE HAS FOLLOWERS -- I WAS LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS COMING IN AS THE SPEECH WAS BEING GIVEN AND WHILE THERE WERE PEOPLE WATCHING ON FACEBOOK LIVE OR WHEREVER WHO WERE CRITICIZING HER, MANY PEOPLE CHEERING HER ON, RENE.

>> WELL, SOCIAL MEDIA ALGORITHMS, MEDIA IN GENERAL, ARE TODAY MADE TO AMPLIFY OUTRAGE, RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK SHE'S STOKING IS OUTRAGE, BOTH WITH HER SUPPORTERS AND, OF COURSE, WITH HER DETRACTORS.

IT IS SCARY WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

THIS IS A DANGEROUS TIME WE'RE LIVING IN, SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AT THE DAWN OF WORLD WAR III AND IF WE DON'T DO WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, THROUGH NATO, THROUGH SANCTIONS, WE COULD VERY WELL BE IN A WORLD WAR III.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, YOU KNOW, HER TALKING POINTS.

YOU KNOW, RUSSIAN STATE TV IS AIRING CLIPS OF HER, TUCKER CARLSON, AS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE WHAT WE AMERICANS BELIEVE, AND THOUGH THEY ARE A SENTIMENT THAT'S RULING OVER THE WORLD'S LARGEST MEDIA ZONE, WHICH IS THE UNITED STATES.

THAT'S SCARY RIGHT THERE, TO SEE THAT ENDORSEMENT.

WHEN PRO-RUSSIA STATE TV IS HOLDING YOU UP AS THE, YOU KNOW, MEDIA DARLING OF THE WORLD, WELL, THEN YOU KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING REALLY WRONG WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU JUXTAPOSE ALL OF HER SHENANIGANS WITH THE HEARTBREAKING IMAGES THAT WE'RE SEEING OUT OF UKRAINE EVERY DAY.

YOU KNOW, WHEN ZELENSKYY ADDRESSED CONGRESS THE OTHER MORNING, I MEAN HIS IMPASSIONED PLEA FOR HELP WITH THAT VIDEO THAT HE SHOWED CONGRESS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOW COULD YOU NOT FEEL FOR A COUNTRY THAT REALLY CHERISHES TRULY CHERISHES THEIR DEMOCRACY, THEIR FREEDOM.

WHAT SO MANY LIKE TAYLOR GREEN EPOUS ABOUT FREEDOM IT PALES IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THE UKRAINIANS HOLD SO DEAR.

WE NEED TO ALL PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.

>> PATRICIA, I DON'T THINK HE MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE'S SPEECH IS REALLY THAT FAR REMOVED FROM THE WAY DONALD TRUMP APPROACHED THE WORLD AS PRESIDENT.

HE CERTAINLY WAS BACKING US AWAY FROM NATO TO -- WE -- FOR ALL WE KNOW HAD HE WON A SECOND TERM HE MAY HAVE LEFT NATO ENTIRELY.

WE KNOW THAT, AS WE WATCH THE IMPEACHMENT PLAY OUT, THAT HE REFUSED TO SEND A MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE UNTIL ZELENSKYY PROMISED TO DELIVER GOODS ON HUNTER BIDEN'S CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE.

SO IN SOME WAYS, IT STRIKES ME HER MESSAGING PLAYS RIGHT TO MUCH OF THE TRUMP BASE WHICH AGREES WITH HIM.

AMERICA FIRST, STAY OUT OF ENTANGLEMENTS OVERSEAS.

>> YEAH.

ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S FIRST RESPONSES TO THE INVASION OF UKRAINE AND EVEN THE UNITED STATES SENDING AID TO UKRAINE WAS TO SAY THAT UNITED STATES SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION TO ITS OWN SOUTHERN BORDER THAN TO THE BORDERS OF UKRAINE AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE SAID IN HER SPEECH AS WELL.

SO THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF REALLY IN DEPTH DETAIL IN WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, TALKING ABOUT THE CHINESE CURRENCY VERSUS THE UNITED STATES CURRENCY.

SHE USED A TERM PETRO DOLLARS.

IT SPOKE TO ME LIKE A SPEECH THAT HAD BEEN WRITTEN FOR HER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE.

IT'S THE KIND OF TERMINOLOGY I'VE NOT HEARD HER USE BEFORE IN THIS DEPTH IN CONNECTING ALL OF THESE DOTS IN THE STRANGE WAY SHE DID.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF SOURCES INFORMING HER THINKING ON FOREIGN POLICY AND DONALD TRUMP IS -- HAS -- MUST BE A PRIMARY SOURCE OR ELSE THEY'RE USING THE SAME SOURCES BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING IDENTICAL ARGUMENTS.

TO THE EXTENT THAT MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE IS IN GEORGIA SHE'S BEING EMBRACED ACTIVELY BY STATEWIDE CANDIDATES INCLUDING DAVID PERDUE, OTHER PEOPLE ARE HAPPY TO SHARE A STAGE WITH MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, NOT ONLY HAPPY TO SHARE A STAGE, EAGER TO SHARE A STAGE BECAUSE SHE DOES RAISE SO MUCH MONEY.

SHE GETS SO MANY EYEBALLS.

TO THE EXTENT THAT WE SEE HER ON YOUTUBE, THERE ARE ALSO NOW A NUMBER OF PROLIFERATING RIGHT WING SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS INCLUDING GETTER WHERE SHE HAS A HUGE FOLLOWING AS WELL.

WHAT SHE'S SAYING ON YOUTUBE IS NOT EVEN NECESSARILY THE SAME THING SHE'S SAYING TO HER CONSERVATIVE AUDIENCES ON OTHER PLATFORMS.

SHE'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO BE WATCHING CAREFULLY AND ALSO WATCHING WHO IS EMBRACING HER AND HELPING HER GAIN ATTENTION AND ATTRACTION FOR HER VOOUS TO A BROADER AUDIENCE WELL OUTSIDE OF THE 14th CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

>> ONE MORE QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I KNOW I'M CALLING FOR SPECULATION HERE, WITHIN THE 14th DISTRICT, THERE IS ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT HER POSITION COULD, IN FACT, JEOPARDIZE HER RE-ELECTION OR DO YOU IMAGINE, YOU'VE BEEN UP THERE, YOU WERE UP THERE FOR A BIG TRUMP RALLY I BELIEVE BEFORE THE RUNOFF, I THINK IT WAS THE 14th, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THERE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT SHE'S JEOPARDIZING HER RE-ELECTION?

>> WELL, THERE'S CERTAINLY PEOPLE, REPUBLICANS IN PARTICULAR, UNHAPPY WITH MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, SHE HAS THREE REPUBLICAN OPPONENTS COMING UP, THE TROUBLE WITH MULTIPLE OPPONENTS THOSE CANDIDATES WILL SPLIT UP THE ANTI-MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE CONTINGENT TO THE EXTENT THERE IS ONE, ALSO HER DISTRICT HAS BEEN REDRAWN TO BE SLIGHTLY LESS CONSERVATIVE.

IT INCLUDES WEST COBB.

WE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN WEST COBB NOT HAPPY ABOUT BEING REPRESENTED BY MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE AND HAS THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE WAITING FOR HER IN THE PRIMARY, MULTIPLE DEMOCRATS, ONE OF THOSE HAS RAISED NEARLY $5 MILLION AS A CHALLENGE TO HER.

WITH ALL OF THAT SAID SHE IS POLLING, YOU KNOW, SHE IS STILL POLLING WELL ABOVE 50%, 60, 70, 80% IN THAT GOP PRIMARY AND THEN IT IS STILL A CONSERVATIVE DISTRICT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE'S VULNERABLE AT ALL.

THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW THOSE KINDS OF ANSWERS IS JUST TO HAVE A FEW ELECTIONS AND SEE HOW STRONG HER FIELD CONTINUES TO BE THERE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S DO THIS AND GET OUR FINAL BREAK.

WE HAVE JUST NOT BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT WITH ANDRA GILLESPIE AND I KNOW THAT DISAPPOINTS A LOT OF YOU BECAUSE ANDRA IS ALWAYS ONE OF THE FAVORITE ANALYSTS ON THIS SHOW, AND IT DISAPPOINTS US AS WELL.

WE WILL GET ANDRA BACK ON THE AIR AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN NEXT WEEK AND CONTINUE TO HAVE HER ON BEYOND THAT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS SO FAR.

INTERESTING NEWS ABOUT STACEY ABRAMS, WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE.

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>> RENE ALEGRIA, MOST OF US REMEMBER FOUR YEARS AGO WHEN STACEY ABRAMS RAN FOR GOVERNOR, SHE WAS FACE SOMETHING DEBT ISSUES.

SHE OWED THE IRS SOME 60 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SHE EXPLAINED IT BY SAYING SHE HAD DEFERRED HER TAX PAYMENTS TRYING TO HELP HER PARENTS STRUGGLING AT THE TIME WITH ISSUES.

ALTHOUGH REPUBLICANS ATTACKED HER, SHE TURNED IT AROUND AND SAID LOOK, I'M LIKE YOU, I'M JUST AN ORDINARY GEORGIAN WHO FACES SOME SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL ISSUES AND, SO I UNDERSTAND YOU AND GOING TO DO MY BEST TO WORK ON YOUR BEHALF.

WELL THIS PAST WEEK WHEN SHE REVEALED HER LATEST FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORT, WE FIND THAT STACEY ABRAMS IS NO LONGER STRUGGLING FINANCIALLY ACCORDING TO A PIECE THAT GREG AND JAMES WROTE FOR THE AJC THE OTHER DAY AND SAID, ABRAMS HAS A NET WORTH OF ROUGHLY $3.17 MILLION.

MOSTLY TIED UP IN REAL ESTATE AND INVESTMENT.

SHE'S BUILT A MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR BUSINESS WRITING BOOKS, APPEARING ON SPEAKING CIRCUIT, ACCORDING TO HER DISCLOSURE FORM EARNED MORE THAN $6.5 MILLION SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 2019.

ALTHOUGH I WANT TO START WITH ABRAMS, LET ME JUST ADD AN ITEM TO PUT IN CONTEXT, WE HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY LEARNED IN LOOKING AT BRIAN KEMP'S FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REPORTS DURING HIS TENURE AS GOVERNOR HIS NET WORTH HAS INCREASED BY $3 MILLION.

LET'S LOOK AT STACEY ABRAMS AND THE ENORMOUS SUCCESS SHE'S HAD SINCE THE 2018 RUN.

>> WELL, WE'VE ALL SEEN HER ASCENT FROM THAT RUN TO -- OF THE GOVERNORSHIP TO STRATOSPHERIC LEVELS.

SHE'S A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED FIGURE NOW.

THAT ISSUE, IT DID MAKE HER RELATABLE.

SHE WENT INTO DEBT TO HELP PAY FOR FAMILY MEDICAL EXPENSES.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SO MANY AMERICANS CAN CONNECT TO, SO MANY GEORGIANS CAN CONNECT TO.

I THINK THAT THAT HELPED EARN HER RESPECT AS SHE RAN AGAINST KEMP THAT FIRST TIME.

EVERYONE LOVES A SUCCESS STORY, RIGHT.

THE UNDERDOG COMING AROUND AND FINALLY WINNING.

SHE'S DOING THAT FINANCIALLY.

HER BOOKS HAVE SOLD.

SHE'S AN AUTHOR.

SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S A RENAISSANCE WOMEN.

SHE HUSTLES.

THAT'S WHAT SO MANY AMERICANS OUT THERE HAVE TO DO, HAVING MULTIPLE JOBS, JUST TO GET AHEAD.

WELL SHE'S FINALLY GOTTEN AHEAD AND NOW THE REPUBLICANS DON'T HAVE THAT TALKING POINT TO CRITICIZE HER.

WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY WILL -- GOD KNOWS THEY WILL FIND MANY THINGS TO CRITICIZE HER ABOUT -- BUT IT'S JUST A FEEL-GOOD STORY TO SEE SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED SO HARD, TO WIN OUT FINANCIALLY.

>> WELL, OF COURSE, PATRICIA, REPUBLICANS WILL SAY THAT WHAT IT SUGGESTS IS THAT SHE HASN'T BEEN THAT CONCERNED ABOUT GEORGIAN AT ALL SINCE SHE LOST IN 2018.

SHE'S BECOME A NATIONAL FIGURE, THEY CLAIM BRIAN KEMP THE OTHER DAY OR HIS CAMPAIGN RELEASED A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW SHE WAS RUNNING A SHADOW CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT DURING HIS TIME IN THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION.

SO THEY'LL SEE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE THAT SHE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT BEING A NATIONAL CELEBRITY MORE THAN BEING SOMEONE WHO CARES ABOUT THEM, THE NEEDS OF GEORGIANS.

>> YES.

YOU AND I GOT THE SAME TALKING POINTS FROM THE REPUBLICANS, ABSOLUTELY.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> NOW, IT MUST BE SAID, AS YOU POINTED OUT, GOVERNOR KEMP, RIGHT, HE MADE $3 MILLION WHILE HE WAS GOVERNOR IN THOSE THREE YEARS.

DAVID PERDUE IS NOW UP TO $50 MILLION IN NET WORTH.

I'M WONDERING HOW I MISSED ALL THE MEMOS ABOUT HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING THIS.

I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.

JUST WORKING MY DAY JOB.

BUT IT DOES PUSH STACEY ABRAMS NOW THAT SHE IS BEING PAINTED BY REPUBLICANS AS A RICH AND FAMOUS HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITY, IT REALLY IS PUSHING HER TO CONTINUE TO WORK TO BE RELATABLE AND TO BE SOMEBODY WHO GEORGIANS FEEL LIKE IS ONE OF THEM AND NOT SOMEBODY WITH A NETFLIX DEAL OUT IN CALIFORNIA.

SO WE SAW THE LAUNCH OF HER CAMPAIGN THIS WEEK, THE FORMAL PHYSICAL ROLLOUT, ANNOUNCED IT EARLIER, SHE WENT AROUND TO MULTIPLE CITIES AROUND GEORGIA AND REALLY FOCUSED, INTERESTINGLY, I THOUGHT, ON MEDICAL DEBT.

THE EXACT DEBT SHE STRUGGLED WITH.

INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE THAT NEVER HAPPENED, SHE TALKED ABOUT MEDICAL DEBT AT EACH AND EVERY EVENT, SAYS THAT THAT MEDICAL DEBT SHE EXPERIENCED WAS DRIVEN BY HER FATHER'S CANCER TREATMENTS WHICH ANYBODY CAN RELATE TO IF THEY'VE HAD THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION OF BEING THERE.

AND THEN ALSO DISCUSSES THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE HOLLYWOOD DEALS SHE'S HAD, SHE DOESN'T MENTION THOSE, BUT IN HER SPEECH SHE TALKS ABOUT USING FAIR FIGHT ACTION, THE GROUP SHE STARTED, TO PAY OFF THE MEDICAL DEBT, 68,000.

NOW THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE REPORTING ON THAT AND WE'RE WORKING ON REPORTING DETAILS OF THAT, BUT IT IS A WAY SHE IS STILL WORKING TO CONNECT WITH GEORGIANS AND SHOW NOT ONLY AM I ONE OF YOU, NOW THAT I'VE HAD THIS GOOD FORTUNE I'M WORKING TO USE THAT FOR YOU AND IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

I THINK IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING, REALLY SO FAR SUCCESSFUL JOB SHE'S DONE.

SHE GOES INTO SMALL TOWNS, WARNER ROBBINS, GETTING TO BE A BIGGER TOWN, MID-SIZED TOWN, SMALL CITY, AND SHE'S ACCESSIBLE.

SHE IS THERE AT -- NOT IN BIG FANCY VENUES.

SHE'S IN FRONT OF A HOSPITAL.

SHE'S DRESSED CASUALLY.

SHE IS PRESENTING HERSELF AS THE STACEY ABRAMS YOU'VE KNOWN ALL ALONG NOT ONLY THAT, SHE WILL BE THAT PERSON AS GOVERNOR.

I'LL BE ONE OF YOU IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

SHE'S MESSAGING AGAINST THAT FACT THAT SHE'S MADE A LOT OF MONEY BUT STILL WORKING TO BE RELATABLE TO THE VOTERS SHE NEEDS TO ATTRACT.

>> ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT YOUR FOLKS ARE LOOKING INTO IT AND OURS ARE TOO.

YOU MENTION SHE SAYS SHE'S PAID OFF $68,000 IN BE DEBT.

WHAT DOES IT SAY IN THE COMMERCIAL?

WHAT DOES IT SHOW ON THE SCREEN?

DO YOU REMEMBER?

PAID OFF THE MEDICAL DEBTS OF 68,000.

>> YES.

>> WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS DO WE?

I DON'T KNOW AT LEAST.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE CAMPAIGN AND WE'RE WORKING ON REPORTING OUT THE DETAILS OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE.

CAN WE TALK TO SOME OF THEM.

THAT'S THE TYPE OF CLAIMS -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL ATE CLAIM BUT A DETAIL IN A CAMPAIGN THAT IS GOING TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION AND THEY WANT IT TO GET IT'S THE SECOND PIECE OF HER WEBSITE.

IT'S RIGHT THERE.

AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WILL CONTINUE TO FIND MORE DETAIL ABOUT AS TIME GOES ON.

>> IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT STACEY ABRAMS, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FUN LITTLE FACTS ABOUT STACEY ABRAMS.

AND THIS REALLY, REALLY IRRITATED REPUBLICANS AND I GET WHY.

THIS WEEK, WE KNOW THAT STACEY ABRAMS, PATRICIA, IS A STAR TREK FANATIC AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME AND SAID AT TIMES THAT IN SOME WAYS, WATCHING "STAR TREK" SHAPED HER VIEW OF THE WORLD.

WE HAVE STACEY ABRAMS PLAYING AN EPISODE OF "STAR TREK" DISCOVERY, THE FINALE OF THE SEASON SHOWS, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED EARTH STEPPING OFF A SPACESHIP, I THINK, THE CLOTHES SHE WEARS, THE COSTUME IS FANTASTIC, YOU -- IF YOU'RE WATCHING ON TV YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT NOW.

WE'LL PUT A LINK UP TO IT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.

BUT PATRICIA, THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED EARTH, STACEY ABRAMS.

SHE HAS DIALOG IN THE SCENE, BY THE WAY, PATRICIA.

>> YES, SHE DOES.

IT'S THE ULTIMATE PROMOTION FOR STACEY ABRAMS.

EVEN IF SHE BECOMES GOVERNOR OF GEORGIA OR DOESN'T SHE WILL BE THE PRESIDENT OF UNITED EARTH.

SHE HAS BEEN A STAR TREKKER, NOT A TREK KI, A TREKKER, A HUGE FAN OF "STAR TREK" AND THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE LIKE HER.

I DON'T WATCH THOSE EXCEPT WHEN MY KIDS ARE WATCHING THEM.

>> I DO.

I DO.

>> WELL, RENE -- >> BUT IT'S -- GO AHEAD.

>> LET ME -- RENE, LOOK.

IT'S FUN.

LET ME JUST SAY, REPUBLICANS ARE HAVING A FIELD DAY WITH THIS.

THEY ALREADY TALK ABOUT THE HOLLYWOOD ELITE, THE LIBERAL ELITES OF HOLLYWOOD WHO SUPPORT DEMOCRATS AND STACEY ABRAMS.

NOW THEY'VE GOT THIS ADDITIONAL PROOF.

>> SURE.

WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO FIND ANYTHING THAT SHE DOES AND TURN IT INTO, YOU KNOW, A TALKING POINT FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, "STAR TREK" AND AS A TREKKER, MY ENTIRE LIFE, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP SON OF MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS WHERE YOU FEEL YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE OUT THERE, YOU WATCH "STAR TREK" AND THERE'S THIS MERITOCRACY OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A PICTURE OF THE UNIVERSE THAT IS BLIND TO RACISM AND SOCIOECONOMIC CHALLENGES AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THAT A LOT WITH, YOU KNOW, MINORITIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

YOU SAW IT WITH THE ORIGINAL "STAR TREK" WITH WHOOPI GOLDBERG.

I CAN GO ON AND ON BY THE WAY.

>> PLEASE DON'T.

>> YOU COULD SEE STACEY ABRAMS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CARRY THAT TORCH IS AN HONORABLE COOL THING.

>> YES, IT IS.

IT'S REALLY -- IT'S A FUN LITTLE THING.

YOU KNOW, IT REMINDS ME, BY THE WAY, KENNY LEON, THE TONY AWARD-WINNING DIRECTOR, OF COURSE, MAKES HIS HOME IN ATLANTA DID A PRODUCTION OF MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING IN -- AT THE PUBLIC THEATER IN NEW YORK, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THEATER INSTITUTIONS IN NEW YORK AND SET IN MODERN DAY SUBURB ATLANTA, ALL AFRICAN AMERICAN CAST, AND IT WAS A BIG, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE THAT THE FAMILY LIVED IN, AND HE HAD DRESSING THE SET STACEY ABRAMS 2020 BANNERS IN TWO PROMINENT PLACES ON THE SET.

ALTHOUGH THEATER DOESN'T GET THE KIND OF ATTENTION "STAR TREK" DOES, THERE WERE SOME COMPLAINTS BACK THEN ABOUT CAN HE ADD THOSE ELEMENTS.

HE SAID I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT THIS FAMILY WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPPORTERS OF STACEY ABRAMS.

PATRICIA, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, LIKE IT OR NOT, SHE IS NOW A MAJOR CELEBRITY.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN PUT ON THE PILE SHE WAS RECENTLY A PICTURE OF HER WAS ON THE WALL IN BILLIONS, SHOWTIME OR HBO.

>> SHOWTIME.

>> SO SHE WAS ON THAT AS WELL.

THE REALITY IS THAT SHE IS CLOSE WITH A LOT OF HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITIES.

THE "STAR TREK" PEOPLE REACHED OUT TO HER.

SHE CAME TO STACEY ABRAMS.

ONE OF HER LARGEST DONORS IS A CALIFORNIA MILLIONAIRE.

IT IS PART OF STACEY ABRAMS THAT SHE IS ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS BECOME -- I HAVE DESCRIBED HER AS LIKE THE POLITICAL OPRAH.

SHE IS A LEVEL OF SUPERSTAR DOM WE HAVE NOT SEEN HER IN GEORGIA BEFORE.

SDMOOM OKAY.

>> AND AS MUCH AS REPUBLICANS HAVE THEIR OWN CELEBRITY, SHE IS A BONA FIDE CELEBRITY ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE AS WELL BUT NEEDS TO DO THE WORK OF STAYING RELATABLE TO VOTERS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I WANT TO MOVE TO THE END OF THE SHOW BY CHANGING THE TONE ENTIRELY.

EVER SINCE THE RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE BEGAN, I SUDDENLY WAS STRUCK, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AN ARMY HAS INVADED A COUNTRY SINCE WORLD WAR II I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK ABOUT THE CHARLIE CHAPLIN PICTURE "THE GREAT DICTATOR" WHICH HE RELEASED IN 1940, BEFORE THE UNITED STATES ENTERED THE WAR, HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HE WAS WATCHING IN EUROPE AND RELEASED THIS PICTURE WHICH HE PLAYS TWO PARTS.

HE PLAYS A VERSION OF ADOLF HITLER KNOWN AS ADENOID HYNKEL AND SAT TERRORIZES HITLER BRUTALLY AND PLAYS THE PART OF A JEWISH BARBER WHO HAPPENS TO LOOK JUST LIKE HYNKEL.

AS WE WATCH THE DEVASTATION IN UKRAINE, THE HORRIBLE SCENES OF CITIES BEING DESTROYED, PEOPLE KILLED, DISPLACED, I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK OF THE FINAL SPEECH IN THAT MOVIE.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HYNKEL WHO GETS UP IN FRONT OF THE ARMY OF SOLDIERS, THOUSANDS OF THEM GATHERED TO HEAR HIM GIVE A RALLYING CRY FOR HIS INVASION NARY TACTICS, AND YET, DUE A COMPLICATION IN THE PLOT IT ENDS UP BEING THE JEWISH BARBER THAT GIVES THE PEACH.

I WANT TO PLAY A LITTLE OF THAT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SO POWERFUL GIVEN WHAT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

HERE IT IS.

>> I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE AN EMPEROR.

THAT'S NOT MY BUSINESS.

I DON'T WANT TO RULE OR CONQUER ANYONE.

I SHOULD LIKE TO HELP EVERYONE IF POSSIBLE.

JEW, GENTILE, BLACK MAN, WHITE, WE ALL WANT TO HELP ONE ANOTHER, HUMAN BEES ARE LIKE THAT.

WE WANT TO LIVE BY EACH OTHER'S HAPPINESS, NOT BY EACH OTHER'S MISERY.

WE DON'T WANT TO HATE AND DESPISE ONE ANOTHER.

IN THIS WORLD THERE'S ROOM FOR EVERYONE AND THE GOOD EARTH IS RICH AND CAN PROVIDE FOR EVERYONE THE WAY OF LIFE CAN BE FREE AND BEAUTIFUL, BUT WE HAVE LOST THE WAY.

GREED HAS POISONED MEN'S SOULS, HAS BARRICADED THE WORLD WITH HATE, HAS GOOSE-STEPPED US INTO MISERY AND BLOODSHED.

WE HAVE DEVELOPED SPEED, BUT WE HAVE SHUT OURSELVES IN.

MACHINERY THAT GIVES ABUNDANCE HAS LEFT NOUS WANT.

OUR KNOWLEDGE HAS MADE US CYNICAL, OUR CLEVERNESS HARD AND UNKIND.

WE THINK TOO MUCH AND FEEL TOO LITTLE.

MORE MACHINISTRY WE NEED HUMANITY.

MORE THAN CLEVERNESS WE NEED KINDNESS AND GENTLENESS.

WITHOUT THESE QUALITIES LIFE WITH WILL BE VIOLENT AND ALL WILL BE LOST.

THE AEROPLANE AND THE RADIO HAVE BROUGHT US CLOSER TOGETHER.

THE NATURE OF THESE INVENTIONS CRIES OUT FOR THE GOODNESS IN MEN, UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD FOR THE UNITY OF US ALL.

EVEN NOW MY VOICE IS REACHING MILLIONS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, MILLIONS OF DESPAIRING MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, VICTIMS OF A SYSTEM THAT MAKES MEN TORTURE AND IMPRISON INNOCENT PEOPLE.

TO THOSE WHO CAN HEAR ME I SAY, DO NOT DESPAIR.

THE MISERY THAT IS NOW UPON US IS BUT THE PASSING OF GREED, THE BITTERNESS OF MEN WHO FEAR THE WAY OF HUMAN PROGRESS BE.

THE HATE OF MEN WILL PASS AND DICTATORS DIE AND THE POWER THEY TOOK FROM THE PEOPLE WILL RETURN TO THE PEOPLE.

AND SO LONG AS MEN DIE, LIBERTY WILL NEVER PERISH.

>> CHARLIE CHAPLIN, THE BRILLIANT CHARLIE CHAPLIN, FROM "THE GREAT DICTATOR," A PICTURE HE WROTE, DIRECTED, STARRED IN.

RENE, IT REALLY IS HEART WRENCHING TO HEAR THAT RIGHT NOW, ISN'T IT?

>> IT REALLY IS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST TO SEE THE IMAGES COMING OUT OF UKRAINE THE WAY WE ARE AND THE UNBELIEVABLE STEP THAT PUTIN HAS TAKEN TO INVADE A EUROPEAN COUNTRY.

YOU KNOW, YOU TALK TO A LOT OF FOLKS THROUGHOUT AND THEY JUST COULD NOT -- DID NOT EVER THINK IN THEIR LIFETIME THIS WOULD HAPPEN AND LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING.

PLAYING BEFORE OUR VERY EYES.

>> PATRICIA, CHAPLIN TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE TO MAKE THAT PICTURE AND YET IT BECAME ONE OF HIS BIGGEST SUCCESSES.

SECOND MOST POPULAR FILM OF 1940.

BUT I'M CURIOUS, WE HAVE JUST A FEW SECONDS, BUT AS YOU LISTEN TO THAT, CURIOUS WHAT IT BROUGHT TO YOUR MIND?

>> YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS CONSUMED INFORMATION AND DRAMA LIKE THAT AS JUST THE PIECE OF HISTORY AND NOW IT FEELS SO RELEVANT TO TODAY.

IT'S REALLY CHILLING.

>> INDEED.

RENE ALEGRIA, PATRICIA MURPHY, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.

OUR APOLOGIES TO OUR AUDIENCE OUT THERE THAT ANDRA GILLESPIE WE COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK.

WE'LL FIX ALL THAT.

WE'RE DONE FOR TODAY.

BUT WE'LL BE BACK AGAIN ON MONDAY.

HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND AND PLEASE, PLEASE, TAKE CARE AND STAY HEALTHY.

BYE, EVERYBODY.