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>> ON THIS EDITION OF CAROLINA BUSINESS REVIEW CHRISTOPHER CHUNG FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF NORTH CAROLINA.

CARL BLACKSTONE FROM THE COLUMBIA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

>> CHRIS KARO IT'S GOOD TO SEE THE THREE OF YOU THANK YOU FOR JOINING US LET'S START AT THE TOP.

WE CAN'T GO AROUND WITHOUT HEARING ABOUT COVID.

AND THE DIALOGUE WE ARE HEARING IS ALMOST NOT ABOUT THE PERSONAL HEALTH BASIS THAT IT'S MORE ABOUT THE BATTLE LINES BEING DRAWN ON PERSONAL RIGHTS ISSUES.

YOU CAN'T MAKE ME WEAR A MASK I WANT TO WEAR ONE BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE THE.

I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU DONALD IS THIS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT MEL?

>> THAT'S NOT A GREAT ASSESSMENT WE VENTURED IN ARENA WHERE THE FACT IS SECONDARY AND A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY IS FRONT AND CENTER.

OUR PERSONAL RIGHTS ARE BEING PUT AT RISK FOR THE GREATER GOOD AND I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT WE ARE TRENDING ANY DIFFERENTLY UNTIL WE EXPERIENCE A BIT MORE PAIN AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.

IF ONE OF THOSE THINGS IT DOES CREATE PARTNERSHIPS AND PAIN ON THE CROSS PARTY LINES AND WEj&E SEEING RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING SOME DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

I DO HAVE OPTIMISM THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE DOWNSIDE OF NOT BEING SMART.

>> HOW COME BACK YOU AND GIVE YOU A BREAK ON THIS ONE BUT CARL THE GOVERNOR OF SOUTH CAROLINA IS ONE OF THE FIRST OUT AND AROUND THE ISSUE IN THE GOVERNOR ON FOX NEWS AS A MATTER OF FACT WAS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SAYING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO FALTER WITH THIS THAT HE WAS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE OPTION TO MAKE THE CHOICE.

THE NORTH CAROLINAS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT BUT HOW DO YOU COMPARE AND CONTRAST THIS?

>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THE WEIGHTED THIS IS PLAYING OUT UNFORTUNATELY IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE WE AS A BUSINESS COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE THE MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN THE POLITICAL PARTIES IN THIS DEBATE AND SAY WHAT IS BEST FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHAT IS BEST FOR THE MARKETPLACE BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER SHUTDOWN I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT THAT IF WE SHUT DOWN AGAIN WE ARE GOING TO BE IN A WORLD OF HURT.

IT'S UP TO US WHETHER THAT'S COMPANIES INCENTIVIZING THERE UP EMPLOYEES TO GET THE VACCINE WHETHER IT'S MANDATING THE EMPLOYEES THIS IS GOING TO PLAY OUT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS.

BUT WHAT IS PARAMOUNT IS THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE LEADERSHIP IN NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA TAKE CONTROL OF THIS AND SAY HERE IS WHAT IS BEST FOR US OUR COMPANY AND OUR EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS THE CUSTOMERS AND THIS IS WHAT WE MUST DO TO MAINTAIN QUALITY OF LIFE IN A LIVING FOR EVERYBODY.

>> IS THIS GOING TO END UP WITH AN ECONOMIC EFFECT IS THIS GOING TO END UP SENDING THE ECONOMY SIDEWAYS?

>> I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW.

>> ARE YOU WORRIED THAT IT MIGHT >> I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY WITH ABOUT 50 PERCENT FULLY VACCINATED IT MIGHT BE 70 PERCENT WITH AT LEAST ONE DOSE.

THE REAL ECONOMIC RISK COMES IF THERE'S A FUTURE VARIANT WE PARTY SCENE REPORTS THIS WEEK ABOUT A FEW DIFFERENT VARIANTS AND EACH SUBSEQUENT VARIANTS VARIANT THAT COMES WITH JUST HOPE THE CORRECT CONDITIONS DON'T ARISE.

THIS IS WHEN THE GAME REALLY CHANGES AND IN THIS IS WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC DAMAGE.

CURRENTLY AT THE BUSINESSES HAVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE THIS THIS IS WHY COMPANIES CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE THE EMPLOYEES TO GET VACCINATED AND THE SMALL PUBLIC HEALTH ACCOUNTS THE BEST WAY AS A SOCIETY WE CAN DEFEND THE HEALTH AND ECONOMIC RISKS HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE THAT DIRE SCENARIO SOMEWHERE BUT THIS IS THE DANGER THE LONGER THE VIRUS IS AUTHOR THE GREATER THE CHANCE OF MUTATIONS AND WHEN YOU HAVE THE MUTATIONS THAT'S WHEN YOU START TO HAVE THOSE WORST-CASE SCENARIOS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHEN THEY OFFER FULL USE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE VACCINES I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE ARE GOING TO SEE MORE EMPLOYERS GO AHEAD AND SAY IT'S WORKING AND WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THIS OF THE EMPLOYEES AND THE VISITORS IT'S DIFFICULT FOR THESE COMPANIES TO DO THIS WHILE IT'S UNDER EMERGENCY USE.

IS NOT GOING TO BE ALL THE COMPANIES IT'S GOING TO BE SOME THAT SAY THEY WANT TO DO IT SOME METHODS SAYING IT'S THE BEST FOR THE ORGANIZATION AND THE PROFITABILITY.

>> WHEN YOU TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STEP HEARING AND CONTRASTING HOW UFOLOGISTS TALKED ABOUT WHATEVER VARIANT IS COMING OUT BUT WHEN YOU LOOK ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IF LIKE THE TALE OF TWO CITIES.

THE BEST OF TIMES AND THE WORST OF TIMES.

IS THE BEST HISTORIC MOMENT FOR THE CAROLINAS IS JUST ACCEPTABLE EVEN THOUGH ITS SHORT-TERM THEY ARE LOOKING TO BUILD A FOOTPRINT IN THE CAROLINAS AND THEY ARE BENEFICIARIES THAT HAVE THE RIGHT WORK AND TRAJECTORY TO HAVE THE RIGHT FOOTPRINT AND RELATIONSHIP.

I THINK SOME OF THOSE FUNDAMENTALS ARE WHAT ARE KEEPING THE CAROLINAS IN THE CORRECT SPACE.

>> I THINK HE IS EXACTLY RIGHT ON THIS.

WE ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING CRAZY IN THIS REGION IN THE SOUTHEAST FROM HOME SALES TO NEW ANNOUNCEMENTS IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT A YEAR AGO THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD OUR BEST TWO YEARS IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THE SOUTHEAST DURING A PANDEMIC.

I THINK PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OBVIOUSLY WORKING FROM HOME IN THESE REMOTE WORKPLACES ARE GOING TO BE HERE FOR IT WHILE.

I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS.

IF YOU ARE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR SURE.

WHAT IS DRIVING THIS AS IT'S JUST BEEN DESCRIBED.

>> IS AT THE LOW COST OF MONEY POURS UP THE LOW DEMAND TO BEGIN WITH OR IS IT BECAUSE OF THE GREAT PROJECTS THAT YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES PUT FORWARD OR IS IT BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS MOVING TO THE SUNBELT?

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT THIS HAS BEEN WAY OUTSIDE WHEN IT COMES TO THE NUMBERS AND HISTORIC AMOUNTS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT?

>> I THINK THE TYPES OF FIELDS TO GET A CHANCE TO COMPETE FOR ART USUALLY DRIVEN BY A FEW FACTORS SOMETIMES IT'S JUST A GREATER DEMAND FOR A PARTICULAR PRODUCT.

SOMETIMES MANUFACTURING NEEDS TO FIND A NEW LOCATION AND SOMETIMES IT'S DRIVEN BY DISSATISFACTION IN THE COUNTRY WHEREVER THEY DECIDE TO PICK UP AND MAKE THAT BIG MOVE WITH HER THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR COMPANY EMPLOYEES.

THIS EXPLAINS WHY WE GET SOME MANY CHANCES TO COMPETE AND AS HE SAID IT'S AN UNPRECEDENTED IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS OF OPPORTUNITY AT LEAST IN NORTH CAROLINA AND I EXPECT SOUTH CAROLINA CHANCES TO WIN THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT.

AS FOR WILEY WHEN THIS I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH WHAT HE SAID WHICH IS OUR FUNDAMENTALS PRE- PANDEMIC TO NEED TO BE VERY STRONG.

THE BUSINESS CLIMATE AND THE TAX ENVIRONMENT ALL OF THESE THINGS NORTH CAROLINA AND SOUTH CAROLINA I SUSPECT ARE WELL-POSITIONED TO COME OUT ON THE OTHER END OF THIS PROCESS SUCCESSFULLY.

>> WERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> SUCCESS BREEDS SUCCESS.

THE YEAR THAT THE TRIANGLE HAS HAD OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS WITH GOOGLE AND APPLE I CAN'T SEE THINGS SLOWING DOWN ANYTIME SOON.

THEY'RE GOING TO REAP THE BENEFITS OF THIS FOR YEARS TO COME.

>> I WAS GOING TO DESCRIBE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FREE DISCUSSION.

NOW WE HAVE SEEN THE BEAST.

WE'VE SEEN THE BEAST WINNING AND YOU GET USED TO WINNING BUT NOW HOW DO YOU BE SURE ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS CAN CONTINUE TO BENEFIT FROM THE WINS?

THIS IS WHERE THE TALENT QUESTION COMES IN AND THAT COMPETITIVENESS AROUND THE ABILITY TO SECURE ENTERTAIN THE TALENT YOU BRING IN AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIT MORE CHALLENGING FOR THE MIDSIZE BUSINESSES.

>> WHILE WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE REGIONAL GROWTH THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU NEED TO PREPARE AND WE HAVE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT HOW TO TELL THE STORY AND THEIR NARRATIVE TO REALLY SET THEMSELVES APART AND BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH LARGER COMPETITORS COMMENCE THE MARKET EXPECTS EARLIER THIS WEEK I MET WITH A GREAT PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS MANUFACTURER.

400 NEW JOBS ARE BEING CREATED IN THE TRIANGLE IN THIS COMPANY MADE IT A VERY CLEAR POINT THAT SOME OF THIS HIGHER LEVEL TALENT IS GOING TO BE ATTRACTED TO OR MAY BE POACHED THE WAY TO WORK FOR THE LIKES OF SOMEBODY ELSE.

ACCESS IS GREAT BUT WE ALL MUST BE MINDFUL OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF RECRUITING NEW COMPANIES.

>> IN THE TALENT GAP HAS BEEN WIDENED.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW BUT THERE IS ANY CONCERN YOU HAVE ANY LINGERING CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT SOME CALL IT A LOST OF EDUCATION.

NOW THE SENIORS HAVE MOVED IN TO BECOME UNDERCLASSMEN.

EARLY IN THE PIPELINE WE HAD ALL WORRIED THAT THE QUALITY AND INTEGRITY OF EDUCATION SCORING WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THESE KIDS WHETHER IT'S TWO YOUR EDUCATION OR FOR YOUR EDUCATION IS THIS GOING TO SHOW UP IN A LACK OF TALENT?

>> YOU MAY SEE A LOSS IN 2025 AND 2026 DURING THE GREAT RECESSION.

YOU WILL SEE FEWER NUMBER OF PEOPLE GRADUATE AND YES THERE IS A SHRINKAGE WE ARE GOING TO TO BE SMARTER AND MORE CREATIVE WITH HOW WE ENTICE YOUNG PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED IN MANUFACTURING AND HIGH TECH CHOPS COME INTO THE REGION.

WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE IN HOW WE APPROACH THE.

>> SOMETHING THAT I LIKE AND AM SMILING EAR TO EAR WHEN THERE IS A TALENT CRUNCH YOU HAVE TO REMOVE SOME OF THE RELIANCE ON THE TYPICAL PEDIGREE TO GET THE JOB DONE.

>> THIS MEANS THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE MORE VALUED.

THE TWO-YEAR AGREE AND APPRENTICESHIPS THAT THINGS YOU REALLY NEED DOING THE JOB VERSUS THE SUPERFICIAL THINGS NEEDED TO GET THE WARM AND FUZZY FEELING ABOUT WHO WAS HIRED FOR THE SCHOOL.

>> ALL OF MY KIDS FOR EXAMPLE A COUPLE OF THEM HAVE A FOUR-YEAR EDUCATION AND A COUPLE DON'T.

THEY ARE ALL DOING GREAT THINGS IN THEIR LIVES BUT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TYPICAL FOR YOUR PEDIGREE PEOPLE SCRATCH THEIR NOSES A LITTLE BIT HOW DO YOU GET TO NEW TALENT ONBOARD FASTER?

HUDDY LEVERAGED INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW DO YOU DEFINE WHAT THE JOBS ARE SOME THAT YOU CAN TRAIN PEOPLE.

WE HAVE ALL OF THIS UNNECESSARY EXPERIENCE THAT DOESN'T RELATE TO THE JOB PERFORMANCE.

>> I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW-UP I THINK IT'S INTERESTING ABOUT HOW IT MATTERS LESS WHEN EVERYBODY IS FIGHTING.

I THINK THE LESSONS WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE EFFICACY OVER MOLD WORK I THINK WHAT THIS DOES IS ENABLE COMPANIES TO SOURCE THEIR TALENT FROM A BROADER GEOGRAPHIC -BASED.

THEY CAN HAVE THOSE REMOTE WORKERS DIDN'T FEED THAT DIVERSITY OF TALENT FOR THE EMPLOYER BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING HELD FOR WHATEVER GEOGRAPHY IT IS THEY LOOK AT AND IT'S ALL BEEN LOWERED WHEN IT COMES TO TALENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS FIGHTING FOR A VERY PRECIOUS COMMODITY.

>> HOW MEANINGFUL AMAZON MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT RECENTLY THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO WAIT FOR APPRENTICESHIP TRAINING OR TWO YOUR EDUCATION FOR ANY TYPE OF BEFORE UNDERGRAD TRAINING THAT THEY WERE JUST GOING TO DO THIS.

IT'S NOT A NEW IDEA BUT AGAIN IT WAS A PROGRESSIVE IDEA.

A MANY OF THOSE COMPANIES ARE WE GOING TO START THE SEED TAKING EDUCATION TO GIVE PEOPLE WHAT THEY NEED.

>> GOES BACK TO AFFORDABILITY I THINK THE LARGER COMPANIES CAN GET IT DONE BUT THE SMALLER COMPANIES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE IN THAT AREA.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCES AND CAPABILITIES OF DOING THIS IN-HOUSE.

WE ARE GOING TO SEE A FURTHER DIVIDE BETWEEN THE SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE LARGE BUSINESSES.

I THINK IT'S GREAT YOU ARE GOING TO WANT TO GET THE FIRST PICK OF THE LITTER IF YOU WILL.

THEY'VE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THEY CAN TRY NEW THINGS AND MAKE IT WORK.

>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND IT COULD REALLY BE TRANSFORMATIONAL.

>> LET'S SWITCH OVER TO BROADBAND ACCESS AND HELD OUT AS BEING VERY IMPORTANT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC AND THAT'S ALL HE TALKED ABOUT.

EATING MORE PEOPLE PLUGGED IN TO THE INTERNET I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY THAT DISAGREED.

COMPANIES WANTED TO FEEL AS IF THERE IS MONEY OUT THERE AND I WON'T SAVE ANYTHING DRAMATIC BECAUSE IT'S STILL BEING TALKED ABOUT AND IN SOME CASES DEPLOYED BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S FIZZLED TO A DEGREE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD BE AN EASY WIN FOR BOTH GENERAL ASSEMBLIES TO PUT A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND SAY WE FINALLY FINISHED THE LAST MILE EVERYBODY IN EVERY COUNTY HAS BROADBAND ACCESS IS THERE SOME CONCERN AND ARE YOU HEARING THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN A TIMELY MANNER?

PERSONALLY KNOW.

IT'S JUST A FUNCTION OF WHEN WE GET TO THAT THAT SOMETHING LIKE ARTIE FOR THE MILITARY.

NOBODY WINS AN ELECTION SAYING THEY ARE FOR THE MILITARY.

THE AFFILIATION DOESN'T MATTER I THINK WHAT'S OCCURRING IS THE SAUSAGE BEING MADE IS THE HOW AND THE WENT.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S DISCOURAGING JUST CAUGHT IN THE CONFERENCE BECAUSE THAT IS A WAY TO CREATE SOCIAL EQUITY.

AND THESE ARE STILL VERY RURAL STATES.

A LOT OF THE LEADERSHIP IS IN THIS RURAL COMMUNITIES.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EXPOSURE.

>> DO YOU SEE SAME OR DIFFERENTLY.

>> I'M OPTIMISTIC AS WELL AS I JUST SAID THE GEOGRAPHIC BARRIERS AND SOURCING TALENT HAS GOT MUCH LOWER BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE ALL LEARNED ABOUT THE CAPABILITIES OF WORKING FROM HOME DURING THE PANDEMIC.

WE UNVEILED A PLAN TO ASK AGO FOCUSED ON BROADBAND EXPANSION.

PART OF THIS IS EXTENDING THE CABLES BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT EXTENDING THE FIBER TO WEAR NEEDS TO TO BE.

THERE'S ALSO HARDWARE CONSIDERATIONS THE END USERS MUST HAVE SO THAT POT OF MONEY NEEDS TO GO TOWARDS FUNDING THOSE HARDWARE PURCHASES TO ENABLE PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE EXPANDED FIBER.

AND THEN THERE IS DIGITAL LITERACY WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER HAD HIGH-SPEED INTERNET TO ALL OF A SUDDEN BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE HAVING THIS GREAT PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK THE PLAN IS PARTLY INVESTS IN SOME EDUCATION AND DIGITAL LITERACY AWARENESS EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP INCREASE ADOPTION OF BROADBAND IN THESE AREAS THAT HAVE NOT HAD IT BEFORE.

I THINK THAT'S WHY WE ARE FOCUSED ON ALL THREE OF THESE STRATEGIES.

>> EVEN BEFORE WE'VE HEARD THE THE NOVEL CORONAVIRUS WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT PANDEMIC WOULD MEAN OTHER THAN MAYBE A SCI-FI MOVIE.

I THINK IT WAS THE IDEA THAT A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IN GENERAL WE ARE LOSING MEMBERS.

PROBABLY LOSING MEMBERS AND INTEREST.

I KNOW THIS IS CASTING A FAIRLY WIDE NET BUT NOW WE'VE SEEN THIS ACCELERATE.

IS THIS A WORRY IS A CHAMBER?

MAYBE EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT DOES IT SAY AND WHAT DOES THIS SPELL FOR ANY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS?

>> LIKE ANYTHING THERE IS A SHELF LIFE.

I THINK THE CHAMBER IS A CRITICAL POINT RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD.

FOR A LONG TIME IN THE '60s AND THE 70s AND 21st CENTURY YOU HAVE TO ADAPT AND YOU HAVE TO BE MORE CREATIVE.

BUT IT REALLY IS A MEMBERSHIP ORGANIZATION YOU NEED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO YOUR MEMBERS.

THAT CLIMATE HAS CHANGED THIS IS BEING DONE EXTREMELY WELL ADRIAN AND WHAT SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO DO IN INDIANAPOLIS.

CHARLOTTE IS MOVING ITS GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CHAMBERS WITH ALL MEMBERSHIP ORGANIZATIONS IN TIMES OF CRISIS IF WE PROACTIVELY FORGET WHAT YOU DO IN THE PAST AND REALLY THINK OF WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE OUT THERE I'M VERY BULLISH ON THE CHAMBER'S OVERALL.

THAT'S IF YOU CAN THINK DIFFERENTLY AND BE CREATIVE IN HOW YOU REPRESENT YOUR MEMBERSHIP.

>> WE'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES LEFT AND AS CONGRESS CLOSES IN OUR OWN CONVICTIONS AND IT EXTENDED THE DEADLINES FOR EVICTIONS YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALSO THE EXPLOSIVE COST IN THIS STEW OF PRIMARY HOUSING IS A GOOD THING OR BAD THING?

>> IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU SIT.

IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SELL YOUR HOME AND BUY UP IT'S JUST A GREAT MARKET.

IF YOU ARE A RENTER AND YOU ARE ACCUMULATING SOME FACT THAT IF YOU WILL.

REALLY IF YOU ASK ME IT'S A DIFFICULT SPOT NOT BEING VERY SPECIFIC LET'S SAY YOU OWN AND PROPERTIES FIVE OF THEM YOU HAVE MORTGAGES ON AND YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO EVICT PEOPLE THAT DON'T PAY RENT THERE IS A DOUBLE WHAMMY THAT PEOPLE AREN'T SEEING THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT THE REAL COMPLEX COMMENT BECAUSE IT'S VERY SITUATIONAL.

IT'S FOR THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY WINNING.

IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TOUGHER TO COME BY.

>> I THINK WE LOST THEM.

WE CAN LET HIM RESET WE'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES LEFT IS THIS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TERMS IS THIS A PROBLEM CHILD?

THIS HOUSING COSTS?

HOUSING HAS DEFINITELY BECOME ONE OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE HAD TO THINK ABOUT IN RECENT YEARS ESPECIALLY IN THESE HIGHER GROWTH AREAS WHERE THE LACK OF HOUSING WHO WOULD CALL THIS WORKFORCE HOUSING.

WE ALSO HAVE THE LACK OF GOOD CHOICES OR INEVITABLY EXPENSIVE HOUSING THESE THINGS ULTIMATELY CONSTRAINED THE WORKFORCE IS CONSTRAINED THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF THIS PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE TO IF THEY ARE BEING RECRUITED FOR A JOB THE HOUSING IS TIED UP WITH THE ENTIRE WORKFORCE CHALLENGE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO SEE EMPLOYERS STRUGGLE WITH ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

IF YOU DON'T SOLVE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE EFFECTS ON THE EMPLOYERS THAT ARE TRYING TO RECRUIT HIRES OUTSIDE THE MARKET.

THIS IS WHY WE SEE THE SURFACE AS MUCH A MAJOR ISSUE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONALS IS LAST FEW YEARS.

>> TECHNOLOGY CUT YOU OFF WAS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO WRAP UP WITH?

I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT HE WAS DESCRIBING.

IT'S A MULTIPRONGED ISSUE BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF US LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS.

I CAN'T BE LEFT AS A MARKET DRIVER.

IN TEN SECONDS IS IT GOING TO SUPERCHARGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THESE ARE ALL PRODUCTS AND THESE ARE GROWING PAINS THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CAROLINAS.

IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT BUT WE NEED THIS IN THE END.

>> IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE GENTLEMEN THANK YOU FOR JOINING US WITH THESE TECHNOLOGY CHALLENGES.

HAPPY WEEKEND AND UNTIL NEXT WEEK I'M CHRIS WILLIAM GOOD NIGHT.

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