
Can a Message From Malawi Change a Wisconsin Farmer’s Mind?
4/26/2023 | 8m 59sVideo has Closed Captions
Malawian farmers and activists meet with a Wisconsin farmer who doubts climate change.
Anita Chitaya, a farmer, activist, and leader in Malawi, she sees the dangers of climate change, including drought and dying crops, in her community. Anita and her mentor, Esther Lupafya, meet with farmers in Wisconsin, including a young farmhand, Jordan Jamison, who expresses his doubts about climate change. Is it possible that one day of open conversation could change someone’s perspective?
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Can a Message From Malawi Change a Wisconsin Farmer’s Mind?
4/26/2023 | 8m 59sVideo has Closed Captions
Anita Chitaya, a farmer, activist, and leader in Malawi, she sees the dangers of climate change, including drought and dying crops, in her community. Anita and her mentor, Esther Lupafya, meet with farmers in Wisconsin, including a young farmhand, Jordan Jamison, who expresses his doubts about climate change. Is it possible that one day of open conversation could change someone’s perspective?
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipThese days, it feels as if both time and rain are running out.
(subdued music) The dry season is much longer.
Maize grains are not of high quality.
The pigeon peas are infested with worms.
(thunder rumbling) (water roaring) When the rains come, they are too heavy, and everything is more uncertain.
But we have learned that, despite our efforts, climate change is going to continue to get worse because of what they are doing in places like America.
I said, "Do you want me to go to America to explain what is happening here?"
We know how to persuade people about big ideas.
I have this gift.
I do reach people and teach them how to change.
We should be able to sit down and talk about this.
We will found out why Americans aren't taking climate change seriously.
When you want someone to change, you go to their doorstep with your problem because they will be unable to ignore you.
(insects chirping) (cows mooing) - Yes, I know you all love the camera, but we do need to get moving at some point.
What a bunch of hams.
- I'm Jordan.
- Sorry, this is Jordan.
This is Alex.
- Hi, I'm Jordan.
- I'm Anita.
- I'm Liz.
- Anita?
Jordan.
- I'm Esther.
- Liz, yes.
- Where are you from?
- From Malawi.
- Wow.
- Rebecca and I have been milking cows for 50 years.
Generally, you couldn't ask for much better life because who couldn't like living in a place like this.
- The mower out there mows the hay and this thing turns, and then it bales it up and kicks it up in the wagon.
So all you have to do is drive.
(speaking in foreign language) - That's dry hay.
- It's so tight.
(people laughing lightly) - It's just a different world.
- Aye, it's a different world, it's a different world.
- Most of our tractors are 30 years old.
That one was borrowed from a neighbor, so that's newer.
- How much is that tractor?
- 160,000, probably.
- US dollars?
- Yeah, brand new, brand new, 160,000.
(speaking in foreign language) (laughing) - She's saying for all that money, that maybe five lifetimes you buy a shelter.
- Most farmers, in order to run as much land as they do, they need that big equipment.
And the only way to do it is to keep borrowing.
Most farmers are just kind of resigned to the fact that they're gonna be in debt as long as they live.
- It's true, even the farmers in Malawi, they have a lot of debt.
But our main problem now that we have is the issue of climate change.
(speaking in foreign language) - It rains for us maybe three times a year.
Then nothing.
All the crops dry out.
- [Esther] Then we have no food, literally no food.
- I wonder, are you guys in a drought cycle?
You think maybe five years, rain will come again?
The last two years, I think, we've seen record heat, record rainfall.
I think we'll see all them things again, I think it's kind of a cycle, I don't know.
- [Esther] Why do you say it's a cycle?
- The history, I don't know.
I think the last couple years we haven't had as much snow, but I think we'll get a lot of snow again, I don't know.
- See for me, I wouldn't believe that it is a cycle.
I would say it's really climate change because there are some places, even here, we have heard that it is not raining very well.
- I think people, at least in the Midwest, mistake weather for climate.
And yes, the weather is cyclic, we still get spring, winter, fall.
But if you look at the poles, and the ice caps melting, and Greenland melting, it's a sign of climate change we don't see because it's not here.
- Yeah, because it's not here.
I think for someone to understand, come to Malawi, you are most welcome, and then you will see some of the things that we are talking through.
- Is there something we should be doing to help climate change that would help you guys?
Is there something?
- Yes, yes.
Tell people, be activists for climate change.
You tell people that climate change is real.
It's not the change of weather only.
God said, "You can increase like sand," but He never said, "Spoil the atmosphere."
- I'd say just do what you can, do a good job.
We'll leave it in the Lord's hands, and He'll take us home and that'll be that.
But it's all going to end someday, and we're not in control of it.
- But the world is still going on, and you have to look after it and protect so that the young generation should find trees, they should find water, they should find good weather, they should find good climate.
- You wanna see the crops, the corn?
- Yes.
- Are we shooting?
- I had not really talked about climate change a lot with Liz and Jordan, and I guess I just kind of assumed that they were on the same page as we were because they see the same weather we do.
- Here, I don't know what we could change.
We could get wind or solar for our energy.
That would be great.
And far as our equipment emissions, I don't know what we could do here.
Go back to farming with horses?
700 acres.
(chuckling) Talking to them, being with them, I want to do the best I can for the next generation, but I don't see it as an issue, that's my problem.
- [Anita] It takes time to accept.
The hardest truth to hear is the one that touches you closest.
- [Esther] Change, it starts with denial.
Believe me, he will be their first one, because when you debate something, you talk more about it.
In time, something will come out which we'll have achieved.
It's not in vain.
(peaceful music) - The chickens like us to talk.
They like noise, so we know we're coming.
People are destroyed because of a lack of knowledge.
We have a lot of stuff polluting the atmosphere, that should not be.
I'd like to apologize a little bit to the friends in Malawi.
Didn't always have a very good answer.
Sometimes I laughed when y'all were serious.
I laughed, but maybe I should have cried.
(singing in foreign language)

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