
Episode 2
8/1/2022 | 29m 30sVideo has Closed Captions
Cross-dressing ex-footballer Ryan Chelford's appearance on MOTD did not go well.
Cross-dressing ex-Premier League footballer Ryan Chelford's appearance on a late-night, midweek edition of Match of the Day did not go well. Host Gary Lineker and pundit Alan Shearer were literally lost for words. But the BBC in general and, in his role as head of values Ian Fletcher in particular, are under pressure to find an on-screen role for Ryan as quickly as possible.
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Episode 2
8/1/2022 | 29m 30sVideo has Closed Captions
Cross-dressing ex-Premier League footballer Ryan Chelford's appearance on a late-night, midweek edition of Match of the Day did not go well. Host Gary Lineker and pundit Alan Shearer were literally lost for words. But the BBC in general and, in his role as head of values Ian Fletcher in particular, are under pressure to find an on-screen role for Ryan as quickly as possible.
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For me, what this says is understated, you know what I'm saying?
Obviously the danger is, if he's actively excluded from appearing on Match Of The Day, that could read as an example of prejudice.
Right.
And, Ryan, I know you were less than impressed with some of Southampton's defending.
Yeah, I was Gary, yeah, I was.
Right.
I think we're at a point now where we can say with some confidence that he is naturally crap.
I've had some times in this, I have.
Too dull for Match Of The Day?
I mean, what is that?
It's not even a shape, it's just like a pointy line.
It's just something he's got in him.
-Right, yes.
-Right.
We are starting to take heavy incoming on this in the press office already.
I'm sorry, but for me, you're not going to win games at this level with pointy lines, Gary.
[theme music plays] [director] Stand by, two mix through, cue on two.
The BBC's announced the appointment of ex-head of Olympic deliverance Ian Fletcher as its new Head of Values.
[woman] Time now for the shipping forecast.
[director] Superimpose.
[narrator] It's 8:30 in the morning on another in a series of relentlessly big days for the BBC at its New Broadcasting House central command center in central London.
Ah, yes, hi, guys.
-Yep.
-Yep.
Morning.
Yeah, hey, yeah.
Don't stand there, just come on in.
Have a seat.
Eh, no, listen, have two.
Make yourself at home.
[narrator] This morning, Head of Strategic Governance, Simon Harwood, has arrived to find people already waiting to see him.
It's very much the way things are going to be from now on.
I don't know about you, but these days I'm just grateful to have a bike to ride and some legs to ride it with.
[narrator] As part of the BBC's major new More of Less initiative, junior executives Ben and Jerry have discovered that they're going to be given the opportunity to apply for their own jobs.
The total of which has been revised downwards going forward from the current figure of two to a new total of one.
I mean, ah, you're going to know how you'll want to feel about this and I've no idea how these things work, but I don't know, for what it's worth, um, maybe if you were to think of yourselves as either Ben or Jerry instead of Ben and Jerry going forward.
-Yep.
-Uh-huh.
I mean, I dunno, does that help?
[Siobahn] Okay, but it's like what you guys have got to realize is-- No, I'm sorry, Siobhan.
Okay, it's like no one has, like, agenda any more.
What?
And that's just like, what even is that?
Just get over it.
Brilliant.
[narrator] By 9:00, the day's damage limitation meeting is well under way.
Uh, wait a moment.
Where's it gone?
I had it a moment ago.
Ah, right, okay, um, just iPlayered Ryan Chelford on MOTD.
OMG, fabulous, Claudia Winkleman with stubble.
Keep it fluid.
#FootballSexy #LGBTFuture.
-Right.
-Cool.
So that's a new one, then, is it, Lucy?
I haven't seen that one.
-David Walliams.
-Oh, right.
-David Walliams.
-David Walliams, yeah.
Yes, that makes sense.
[narrator] It's always a packed program, but top of the agenda by some way this morning is the issue of ex-Premier League footballer and would-be Match Of The Day pundit, Ryan Chelford.
Okay, right, here we go.
"WTF, BBC, I thought Robbie Savage was crap, -but this guy's in a league of his own."
-Right.
"Doesn't matter what he wears, he's still going to be crap."
-Okay.
-MOTD anyway.
-Yes, so.
-Brilliant.
-And then droopy face.
-Yes, well.
Yes and just out of interest, who is that, Tracy?
That's actually Gary Lineker.
Oh, okay.
-Yes.
-Right.
-Gary Lineker, yep.
-Interesting.
-Gary Lineker, yep.
-[narrator] Since his trial appearance as a pundit on a midweek Match Of The Day FA Cup Third Round Highlights package, reaction on social media has been almost universally divided.
No, I mean, listen, you guys'll know how you want to handle this and who knows quite which way Tony swings, football wise.
No.
But for what it's worth, I did snatch a quick macchiato moment with him this morning.
Oh, right?
He's just back from a mindfulness weekend in Somerset, which was apparently really rather wonderful.
-Right.
-Oh No, but for what it's worth, his thought on this, what with charter renewal and so forth, is that it might be rather smart to get this whole thing sorted before the Fiona Craig visit next week.
Well, yes.
-Yes, because- -Yes, exactly.
[narrator] Next week, the very senior civil servant with responsibility for charter renewal negotiations from the Department of Culture, Media and for some reason also Sport, is due to make an initial visit to New Broadcasting House in order to see a normal morning at the BBC.
Just to say, before we go any further, just to confirm everyone's okay with the change of date for that?
-Yep.
-Yep.
-Yes, thank you, Ian.
-Um.
-No, sure, I'm good with that.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
It looks like she'll be with us from about 10:00 onwards.
-10:00.
-10:00, yeah.
10:00.
Yes, no, brilliant, bring it on.
-Change of date.
-Yes.
Yes, it's Tuesday now, Lucy.
-Right.
-Tuesday.
-Tuesday.
-Tuesday.
Why, is that-- No, it's just that's the morning Ryan Chelford's coming in, isn't it?
-Right.
Right, okay.
-Yes, it is, yes.
-Coming in where?
-Well, in here.
-Here?
-Yes.
-Ah, no.
-Great.
-Why?
-Perfect.
-Well, basically- -What for?
We've asked him in to talk about the way forward.
-Who has?
-Well- -You have?
-Well, no.
-The way forward?
-Yes.
-That can't happen.
-Oh, bloody hell.
[narrator] As the person responsible for liaising between the BBC and whoever the Minister for Culture, Media and also Sport happens to be, it's crucial that everything goes smoothly on the day of Fiona Craig's visit, regardless of how unusual that would be.
The thing is we've moved Ryan three times already.
Well great, move him again.
-Yes, exactly.
-He'll be getting the hang of it by now.
-Cool.
-The other way to look at this is, what she's expected to see, what she's hoping for anyway, is basically a normal morning.
-Brilliant.
-Normal?
-Yes.
-Christ.
Perhaps it would be good for her to be here -when Ryan Chelford comes in.
-Good.
After all, here we are, talking about how best to welcome a cross-dressing presenter into the BBC Sport family.
Okay, let's do this.
As long as we're clear about what our position is on this, obviously.
-Yes.
-Right.
-Brilliant.
-Yes, exactly.
What is our position on it?
-Me?
-Yes.
-Well, I mean no one's really- -Oh, right, okay.
-Brilliant.
-Great.
All right, okay, here we go.
[upbeat music on computer] [man] This is me on my bike.
This is me on my bike.
This is me on my bike.
[narrator] Meanwhile elsewhere, Jack has got something he's keen to show Izzy, David and Will.
This is me on my bike.
-This is me on my bike.
-This is me on my bike.
[narrator] He's been working on a short taster version of what would otherwise have been Will's original idea for On Your Bike, to show to Director of Better, Anna Rampton, as a potential flagship show for soon to be launched new online platform BBC Me.
This is me on my bike.
[Jack] Anyway, so.
It's genius, Jack.
-It's 90 seconds.
-It's like brilliance on wheels.
Or there's like a 70-second cut, which might be better.
Cycle Shorts.
-Well, yeah, I dunno.
-Cycle Shorts.
It felt a bit more now than On Your Bike somehow.
-Right.
-Free The Selfie.
-BBCme.com -Unbelievable.
What?
So what, you just went off and did this?
Well, yeah, I mean, not personally, obviously.
But you-- I don't know anyone who owns a bike.
You went off and did it, you didn't say anything.
Hang on, Jesus, Will?
-What?
-Yeah.
That's you.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, hey, this is me on my bike.
But this is I mean, what is going on here?
-What's going on?
-What's going on?
Yeah, no.
I mean, is there perhaps a home for him somewhere else in the world of BBC Sport?
-Okay, Strictly.
-No.
What?
It's got to be some kind of sport, Siobhan.
-Yes.
-So how is that not a sport?
[narrator] Given the strong reactions provoked by Ryan Chelford's Match Of The Day appearance and given the complex and sensitive issues involved, the problem for the BBC is that they don't know what to do.
What we're looking for is something that isn't literally Match Of The Day, but at the same time very much plays to his strengths as you know, as a presenter.
-Brilliant.
-Cool.
-Right.
-What strengths?
-Well.
-He hasn't got any strengths, has he?
Okay, Celebrity Big Brother.
-No.
-It's perfect.
The fact is that's a Channel 4 show anyway.
-Well, it- -Channel 4, yep.
-Yep, Channel 4.
-Channel 4.
-Yep.
-Yes, well.
Actually, I think that's Channel 5 now, isn't it?
-Yeah.
-Yep.
-Yes, I think so.
-Channel 5, yeah.
-Yes, exactly.
-Channel 5.
Channel 5, yeah.
Yes, we seem to have gone a bit off piste somehow.
-I totally have.
-We really- I mean, you want to be the best duck hunter, you go where the ducks are.
-Brilliant.
-The ducks?
-What?
And you take the hoisin sauce with you.
-Brilliant.
-...'s sake.
I mean, this probably wouldn't work, but.
-No.
-But, what about something like A Question Of Sport?
-All right, okay.
-A Question Of Sport.
-Well- -No.
I'm sorry.
-As I say, it's probably not-- -Exactly.
-Well, no, hang on.
-Hallelujah!
So, what word is that?
I don't even know what that is.
Well, it's one way of burying him forever for sure.
It's like a quiz show, Siobhan.
-Okay.
-But it's about sport.
Oh, so, what, it's an actual show?
Yes, it's on every week-- Cool, no, no, sure, I get this, yeah.
That's really interesting, isn't it?
We love quiz shows.
You mean as a regular team captain?
-No.
-Well, I don't know.
No, I'm sorry, the fact is there already are two team captains for that show.
-Yeah.
-Yes.
Yes, just remind me.
-Matt.
-Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell.
Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell.
-Yeah.
-Right, yes.
Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell.
[narrator] Despite Anna's reservations about Lucy's idea, there's a feeling in the room that she may perhaps have put her finger on something.
-Okay.
-Cool.
-Alrighty.
-Blimey.
-Go, Ryan.
-Bloody genius.
-Well done, Lucy.
-Yes.
Well, no.
Yes, no, really, Lucy, hurrah.
Yes, no, yes.
-I mean, what were you doing, Will?
-Yeah, what was I doing?
[narrator] Meanwhile, back in elsewhere, it's become clear that in his role in Betterness Development, Jack has selected Will as someone ideally qualified to approach complete strangers with bikes and phones and persuade them to film themselves saying, this is me on my bike.
I mean, it's like he's actually using you to steal your own idea from you.
-Yeah.
-No, I'm not.
Yeah, crap, yeah.
Will was the only person I could think of who would know 30 other people who ride bikes.
-Genius.
-So I asked him and he said yes.
-Of course he said yes.
-Yeah, of course I did, yeah.
-It's Will.
-Yeah, no, correct, I'm Will.
I've been working on this, trying to get it off the ground for, like, ages.
Well, yeah, exactly.
It's completely, what?
Anyway, can I just say, guys, the good news is, Anna absolutely love it.
-Anna?
-What?
I know.
You showed this to Anna?
-Whoa.
-Yes, I know, yes.
So, what, you- No, 'cause what it was, I ran into Anna, like, in the lift and can I just say, has anyone else noticed the perfume she's wearing?
Her perfume?
Is it new?
-Is it just me?
-Yeah, anyway.
Yes, I know, yes, honestly, what am I like?
Anyway, we were just like chatting and obviously it was me mostly, 'cause you know what she's like.
She doesn't say much, does she?
Whereas me, I just open my mouth, I've no idea what- Yeah, okay.
Yes, so anyway, I promised that I would forward her the link to it and, do you know what, by the time I got to Costa she'd come straight back to me, 'cause the thing about Anna is, she don't say much, but she don't muck about.
She's like, oh, my God, David, genius.
-Right, okay.
-Unbelievable.
I know 'cause also, 'cause I haven't finished yet, okay, apparently she likes it so much that she's, like, do you know what guys?
You should be like using this as the online trail -for the BBC Me launch.
-Right.
So she sends it straight to Siobhan Sharpe at Fun Media for them to look at.
-Siobhan Sharpe?
-Yes, I know.
Way, no way.
Anna sent this to Siobhan Sharpe?
I know, and apparently she's, like, Siobhan practically wet herself.
I don't believe this.
-I know.
-I do.
Yeah, unbelievable, yeah.
And do you know what?
I'm like, guys, this is just outrageous.
-Yes.
-Yes.
Yeah, no, mental, yeah, I dunno.
[upbeat samba music] [narrator] It's next Tuesday and another big day ahead as Ian arrives for work.
This is the day when top civil servant Fiona Craig from the Department of Culture, Media and also Sport is due to arrive to see a normal morning at the BBC.
But already, things are starting to look anything but normal.
-Anna.
-Yes, hi, yes.
-You've got a bike?
-Yes, exactly, yes.
Well, I mean, what can I say?
-Congratulations.
-Yes, no, yes.
[narrator] Not only has Director of Better, Anna Rampton, apparently decided to join Ian on two wheels, but, like him, she's gone for wheels that are, theoretically at least, foldable if you were listening to the person in the shop who explained how to do it.
I, I don't want to interfere, but do you want a hand with that?
Yes, no, the fact is, like, yes.
-Yeah, no, it's really simple once you get the hang of it.
-Exactly.
[narrator] For Ian, this is a chance to demonstrate a range of skills acquired over many years of folding under all kinds of conditions, whilst for Anna, this is a chance to stand quietly and watch everything he does at close quarters.
-There you are.
-Yes.
-Yeah, it's really easy.
-Yes, thank you.
-So now I've- -Thank you.
No, no, that's.
But now that I've done it, do you want me to undo it again so you can- -No.
-No, right.
No, the fact is I need to change my shoes.
Right, yes, okay, well.
Oh, hi, Lucy.
-Hi, yes.
-Yes.
Ah, Anna's just, ah, joined the club.
-Yes, good.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
-Who'd have thought it?
-Yes.
Yes, so you're all set for the Ryan Chelford- Yes.
Really sorry, I've gotta go.
Yes.
Right, great.
[narrator] This is also a big day for Lucy Freeman in her role, at least for the moment anyway, as Head of Inclusivity.
Hi, Ryan.
[narrator] She's come outside to meet Ryan Chelford, who has arrived at New Broadcasting House by parking his Bentley Continental almost directly outside it.
Lovely car.
Yeah, it's not bad, it does the job.
Do you know what I'm saying?
-How was your journey?
-Yeah, no problem, yeah.
Came down last night, stayed with a mate in Rickmansworth.
Right.
Rickmansworth's quite a long way out, isn't it?
Well, I say a mate.
He is a mate, but he's got, like, a hotel.
-Right.
-Yeah.
[narrator] He's here to talk about his future with the BBC Sport family, as well as to reflect in some detail on his journey to this point.
No, 'cause the smart move, what I've done is, yeah, I went back out on the M25 and back in again on the M1.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Right.
I could've gone south and gone back in on the M40, -I admit that.
-Yes.
But I'm sorry, for me, that's not a road.
-No.
-For me, you've got cameras everywhere.
40 mile an hour restrictions.
You know what I'm saying?
You might as well be driving a horse.
Yes.
Well, shall I just get you signed in, -then we'll just head on up.
-Yeah, sure, yeah, nice one.
And my new agent's supposed to be here.
-I'm not seeing her.
-Right.
I'm sorry, but for me, she's my agent, right?
She's got a job to do, but for me she's just not turned up.
-No, well, perhaps- -Hi, Ryan.
Yeah, hi.
-Faiza.
-Oh, right.
Faiza Raja, Head of Diversity.
-Uh- -Yeah, no, Faiza.
Yeah, nice one.
-So- -Great to meet you at last.
Yeah, you too.
Yeah, you too.
Thanks so much for coming in today.
-Hi, Faiza.
-Yes, hi, Lucy, yes.
[narrator] But if Ryan's agent may not have turned up for him for some reason, current BBC Head of Diversity, Faiza Raja, at least until Inclusivity and Diversity are reimagined as a single new post of Empowerment as part of the More of Less initiative, definitely has.
So, you got here all right, then, Ryan?
Yeah, no problem.
Parking space bang outside.
-You drove?
-Too right I did.
-Right.
-Right, yes.
Although saying that, I came down last night and stayed with a mate in Rickmansworth.
Yes, Rickmansworth.
I know what you're thinking, I say a mate, but he's got a hotel.
-Right.
-Yeah.
-Okay, what's going on?
-What's going on?
You do know what's happening this morning?
-Of course, yes.
-So, I hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd sort of be dealing with this.
Yes, no, I'm sorry.
The fact is- -Right, great.
-Right, I'm in.
-Yes.
-Yes, right, well, shall we?
Whoa, excuse my language, girls, but what a place.
Well, you know.
-It's like you're in a film.
-Yes.
All of a sudden, I'm Tom Cruise, do you know what I'm saying?
-Right.
-Your clothes, give them to me now.
-Yes.
-Yes.
Now, listen, I don't know how any of this stuff work, but basically, as I understand it, that's the old bit over there.
-Yes.
-This is the new bit over here.
-Yes.
-And then this bit was basically built -just to sort of join the two.
-Obviously, yes.
-Yes, no, obviously.
-Yes, no, very good.
[narrator] By 10:00, Simon Harwood is already busy welcoming Fiona Craig from the Department of Culture, Media and also Sport, who has arrived at New Broadcasting House together with two further women, in order to observe a normal morning at the BBC.
Um, if it helps, Tony sometimes refers to it -as the mind/brain interface.
-All right, okay.
You know, one of his little things.
I'm not sure that does help, though, does it?
Brilliant.
If I'm being really honest with you, Simon.
Yes, no, of course, very good.
Shall we go through?
[narrator] Given the potential significance of the charter renewal process, for the future of the BBC and everyone currently inside it, it's important that the visiting delegation feel as comprehensively met and greeted as possible.
-Fiona, hi.
-Hi, yes.
-Ian.
-Yes.
-Ian Fletcher.
-Yes, no, Ian, I assumed as much.
Well it's very good to meet you.
Yes, no, you too.
And this is Chloe and Zoe.
-Right.
-Hello.
-Hi.
-Hello.
You'll not be surprised to hear I'm forever getting them mixed up.
-Right.
-But really they don't seem to mind.
-No.
-No.
Right, good, uh, you've met Simon, then.
Indeed we have, Ian, yes.
-Yes.
-Brilliant.
Well, welcome to New Broadcasting House.
Yes, no, we've already done that bit.
Oh, right, have you?
-Yes.
-Yes.
-Fabulous.
-Well, what we- -Yes, hello, yes.
-Oh, right, okay, Anna.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
-[narrator] As things turn out on this particular normal morning, Anna Rampton also happens to be down in reception in her role as Director of Better.
This is Anna Rampton, Director of Better.
-Oh, right.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
Can I ask Director of Better what, Anna?
-Yes, no, that- -Brilliant.
The fact is, welcome to the BBC.
Ah no, we've actually done that bit.
-Yes.
-Yes.
Right, okay, good.
I mean, yes, I could've come by train, without a doubt.
-Yes.
-But, for me, if you've got a decent car, you bloody want to drive somewhere.
-Yes.
-I mean, it's not like you can drive a train.
-No.
-Okay, you can drive a train, I admit that.
Like, if you're a train driver, but for me, if you're driving a train you're only ever going in one direction.
-Do you know what I'm saying?
-Yes.
[narrator] Meanwhile, up on the sixth floor, Head of Inclusivity, Lucy Freeman, and Head of Diversity, Faiza Raja, are leading Ryan Chelford towards his destiny Sat on a train, drinking... coffee with people you don't know.
[narrator] And with the single New Head of Empowerment role set to replace both their current roles, quite possibly towards theirs.
Clive.
-Oh, hi, Lucy.
-Hi.
-How are ya?
-Yes, I'm good, thanks.
You made it, then.
-'Fraid so, yeah.
-Great.
Clive, we've not met before.
-Right.
-Faiza, Faiza Raja, Head of Diversity.
-Oh, okay.
-Yes.
-Good to meet you.
-Yeah, you too.
You know Ryan, of course.
-Yep.
-Yes.
Yeah, hi, yeah.
Clive Cook, BBC Head of Football.
Yeah, the main man.
Well, let's not- El misseurino le gaffer.
-What?
-Nice one.
Okay, so we're in Mary Berry, I think.
-Oh, are we?
-Yes, so- I thought it was Frankie Howard?
Yes.
-I booked Mary Berry.
-Right.
No, I booked Frankie Howard.
-Well, I'm sorry.
-Has anyone booked a band?
What?
At this rate we could have quite a party.
[narrator] One of the distinctive features of the BBC's intelligent syncopatispace room booking software, is that if two people book different rooms at exactly the same time and under exactly the same subject heading, it crashes.
-I have, I've pressed it twice and I- -Shall we try mine?
[narrator] Fortunately, however, Head of Communications, Tracy Pritchard, has arrived to help.
Yes, we just thought it might be interesting for you to meet him and just to get a sense of how someone like him -fits into our family.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
[narrator] Meanwhile, really not very far away now, the visiting delegation from the DCM and also S is getting closer almost by the yard.
I think I'm right in saying that Ryan has already arrived.
-Brilliant.
-[phone buzzing] Ah, yes, so this, ah, actually, I might just, ah.
Will you excuse me if I just, ah.
Tracy, hi, yes.
Yes, I know, we're just coming towards you now.
Right.
[narrator] They may be walking towards a potential disaster, but luckily potential disasters are one of Tracy Pritchard's key areas of expertise.
Anyway, at the moment, they're both locked.
-Right.
-Like we physically can't get in.
-Right.
-I dunno where Faiza's appeared from?
-Right.
-I'm not being negative or anything, but I have got a very bad feeling about this.
Right.
I've gotta say, Ian, from where I'm standing this has all the makings of a category A, 100%, platinum standard.
Okay, fine, thanks, Tracy, that's great.
Okay, good.
[fun upbeat samba music] Ryan, hi.
Yeah, Ryan, yeah.
-Ian Fletcher.
-Yeah.
Good to see you again.
Yeah, nice one, Ian, yeah.
Thanks for coming in today.
Yeah, no worries, Ian, yeah.
My new agent's supposed to be here somewhere.
But do you know what?
For me, she's just not turned up.
Right, well, let me just make a few introductions first.
So this is Fiona Craig from the Department of Culture, Media -and, interestingly enough, also Sport.
-Nice one.
[narrator] With the possible exception of the person at the center of it, everyone involved in the meeting understands not only how important it is that it runs smoothly, but also how remote a prospect that is given the number of people involved.
And finally, Tracy Pritchard, Senior Communications person.
-Yes.
-Hello.
Can I just say, Fiona, welcome-- No, the fact is we've done that.
-Oh, right.
-Yes.
-Yes.
[narrator] But not being able to say with any certainty where the meeting actually is, isn't an ideal start.
Right, okay, well, we're in Nadia Hussain, I think, aren't we?
-Ah, we- -Ye-yes.
Nadia Hussain?
I think so, yes, so that's all good.
Yes, no brilliant, no, listen, -I'm gonna have to leave you guys, I'm afraid.
-Oh, right.
-If that's going to be- -Yes, fine.
Frankly, rather a Tony-facing morning.
No, that's good for us, really.
-Right.
-Yes.
-Yes.
-Fabulously exciting to meet you.
-Yes, you too.
-And don't take any nonsense from these guys, okay?
-That we won't, Simon.
-Brilliant, ah, right, good-o.
-Right, okay.
Okay, so if everyone would like to just follow me?
How's it going?
-How's it going?
-Yes.
I feel like I want to cry.
It'll be fine, okay?
It's going to be absolutely fine.
-Not if I cry it won't.
-You won't cry.
Question Of Sport was your idea.
It's a brilliant solution, okay?
Should have been bloody Top Gear and them bloody cars.
Yes, well, maybe keep that for emergency use, if I were you.
-Yes.
-Right, okay.
[narrator] Eventually, the routine meeting with Ryan Chelford is inexorably under way.
Okay, well, so just to say officially then, welcome to Ryan.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
-Yes.
-Hey.
-And also welcome to Fiona, Chloe and Zoe from the DCM and also S, even though, for the purposes of this, they're not actually here, of course.
Exactly so, Ian.
-No.
-No.
Well, what do you mean they're not here?
Right, okay, so I suppose the first thing to say.
-Hey, guys.
-Right.
Oh, yeah, nice to meet ya.
-Oh, hey, Siobhan.
-Hey.
-You look gorgeous.
-Oh, right, okay.
[narrator] But just when it looks as if everything might be under control again, it's suddenly become clear that following his recent rise to social media eminence, Ryan Chelford has signed to Fun Media, that Siobhan Sharpe is now his new agent, and that in her mind, the future is gender-fluid.
Literally sitting on the next Gayson Perry here, right?
-Yes.
-Grayson Perry.
No, sure, exactly.
It's a no-brainer.
Yes, so I was just saying, Siobhan, perhaps the first thing to say is, how excited we are at the prospect of working with Ryan here at the BBC.
-Yes.
-Yay!
I mean, certainly from an empowerment point of view.
-Yes, exactly.
-Yes.
Go, Ryan.
Yes, so I guess the practical question, aside from the bigger issues for a moment, is how and where best to employ Ryan's talents within the many things that the BBC does.
-Yes, exactly.
-Yes.
Cool.
-I mean, Clive.
-Yeah?
I know you've got some thoughts about how you see Ryan's role in relation to Match Of The Day itself.
Yeah, so, obviously we were lucky enough to have Ryan on our midweek FA Cup Third Round highlight package.
-Yes.
-No worries.
But we found we debrief after every show, obviously, and we found ourselves asking whether Match Of The Day represents the best possible fit for Ryan's talents going forward.
-Right, okay.
-Yes.
So if that's the case- No, I'm sorry, guys, sorry, Clive.
-What are you saying there?
-Yes, exactly.
I mean, 'cause for me, I'm sat here, I've drove all the way down from Cheshire, do you know what I'm saying?
-Yes.
-You so have.
Though saying that, I did stay with a mate in Rickmansworth last night.
Right.
No, this is very much about exploring possibilities and being prepared to go beyond the obvious to make sure we get this right.
-Yes.
-Exactly, yes.
-Totally.
-Yes, so very much with that spirit in mind, um, Lucy has come up with what we think is potentially a really interesting idea.
-Yes.
-All right.
-Well, no.
-I've gotta say, I agree.
I won't say any more, I'll let Lucy talk us through it.
-Yes.
-But we'd be very interested to see what you think.
-Okay, nice one.
-Okay, well- Sorry, Lucy, sorry, Ian, but just to check, this isn't A Question Of Sport, is it?
Well, I mean yes, what?
-A Question Of Sport?
-Well, perhaps- What, do you mean with Sue what's her name?
-Exactly.
-I mean, I'm sorry, the fact is I just don't think that's going to work.
-Well, that's- -The fact is we're talking about over half a million followers on Twitter now.
A lot of them in the LGBT community.
-Yes.
-Yay!
This isn't about hiding him away on a quiz show.
-No, no.
-The fact is, this is about having a face, like Ryan's face, as a regular presence on a show like the Match Of The Day.
-Yes, exactly.
-Yes.
-Okay, cool.
-Right, okay.
Let's do it, lets do this thing.
I mean, Clive, given what you've said already I don't know what your reaction is to that as- Yeah, so I think probably the thing to say about that is, from our point of view, it's not going to happen.
-Right, okay.
-Yes, I've gotta say, guys, I thought so.
Bummer.
Yeah, hey, this is me on my bike.
This is me on my bike.
[narrator] Meanwhile, elsewhere, Development Executive Izzy Gould is busy reviewing developments with what was On Your Bike before it's recent transformation into someone else's idea.
-Hey.
-Oh, hi.
It's not bad, is it?
-What are you doing here?
-Nothing.
-What do you want?
-Brought you coffee.
-Coffee?
-Yes.
-What for?
-I dunno, to drink, I guess.
Unless you want to do something else with it?
Can I sit here for a minute?
There's someone there.
No, I know, just for a minute, that's all.
I won't even put my coffee down, look.
So, David Wilks has somehow managed to set up a meeting with Matt Taverner and Siobhan Sharpe about the BBC Me launch, I mean, about everything.
-Right.
-Ah, so I'm going to go.
And what about Will?
-Will.
-Yes.
Just come to the meeting, okay?
Why wouldn't you?
I mean, I'm sorry, but this isn't actually about diversity, is it?
No, I'm sorry.
On which, by the way, I'm very proud of our record on Match Of The Day.
I'm sorry, the fact is, this is really about empowerment.
-Exactly.
-Okay.
-Yes.
-Yes.
I mean, I thought we were supposed to be on the same side here, aren't we?
-Well, yes.
-Yes.
-Can I just say, guys, I certainly am.
Yeah, you don't want to start arguing with yourselves.
-No, well- -I mean, I'm sorry, for me, that's poor thinking.
[narrator] Back in Nadia Hussain, things are getting more normal virtually by the minute.
With respect, Clive, the fact is it's not for you to say what is and isn't an empowerment issue.
In this particular case I think it is.
In this particular case it absolutely isn't.
-Yes, it is.
-Okay, so we've got both sides of the argument -pretty much nailed down now, so that's all good.
-Cool.
[narrator] As Head of Values, Ian is aware that the last thing that needs to happen is for the BBC's current Head of Diversity to have a full-scale argument about a cross-dressing presenter with the BBC Head of Football in front of a visiting team from the Department of Culture, Media and also Sport.
I mean, it seems to me, Faiza, that your point is about having a face like Ryan's on a flagship show, which you could argue has been too narrowly gendered up to now.
-Exactly, yes.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
And Clive's point is that Match Of The Day itself may not actually be the most effective context in which to address this issue.
-Yeah, is it?
-Yes, I think so, yes.
-Right, okay.
-No, 'cause I'm just thinking, Lucy, the other idea you had, of course, knowing Ryan's interests and strengths and you might want to say more about how you came to this, was whether there might be a role for him somewhere in Top Gear.
-Yes, ah- -Top Gear?
-Yes, no.
-You're kidding me?
-Blimey.
-Holy.
-I just wondered whether- -Sure.
I wondered whether that might be an interesting thing.
-Sure.
-I mean for Top Gear too, I mean.
-Yes.
-No, sure, I totally watch that.
I mean, you've gotta say, guys, whatever you think of Top Gear and obviously I never watch it myself, but that really is a big idea.
Well, yes.
Obviously there'd be some in-house issues we'd have to navigate our way through.
Yes, no, but in principle.
-In principle, yes.
-Cool.
And, you know, it's our job to think big thoughts and maybe that's something you might be able to help with anyway, Anna?
Yes, exactly, yes.
-I mean, Ryan-- -I love this.
I totally love it when this happens.
And, yes, so, Ryan, I mean, I don't know, ah, what your- Okay, for me, right, excuse my language, right, I'm sorry, but, Lisa, I bloody love you.
-Well, no.
-I mean, you've come here, you've sat there, -you've said nothing.
-Just, it was something I think I could see working, that's all.
That, for me, is top-top thinking.
-Yep, me too, yeah.
-Right, well.
-Good job, guys.
-And so, we move on.
So, can I just say, 'cause I know we're not supposed to be here, I don't know what it was like for you guys, but this is probably the most fun we've had in quite some time, isn't it, girls?
-Yes.
-Yes.
Right, so, yes, potentially, then, that's all good.
-Yes.
-Yes.
[fun upbeat music] -Ah, hi.
-Yes, hi, yes.
Yes.
[narrator] Eventually it's the end of the day, with another potential disaster at the last moment somehow turned into a potential solution.
Anyway, I suppose the main thing is we got through another day.
-Yes.
-If that's a good thing?
Yes.
Forgive me asking, and obviously it's none of my business, but have you decided what you're doing yet?
-About?
-You know, with the job and- Oh, right, yes, um.
[narrator] It's also a day which has left Lucy thoughtful about whether to apply for the new Head of Empowerment post, or to embrace the new More Of Less initiative even more enthusiastically by leaving altogether.
I didn't really want to apply for the job I've got.
Well, no, I remember.
Never mind this one.
You were going to work in a garden center.
Yes.
Yeah, I dunno, I think it's going to be -easier to start again.
-Yes, all right.
[narrator] But it turns out that Lusy isn't the only one with a knotty problem to grapple with.
-Hi.
-Yeah, hi, yeah.
-Yes, hi, yes.
-Hi, Anna.
-Yes, exactly.
-Everything okay?
-Yes.
-Yeah, I dunno, I've never seen one do this before.
Well, I would offer to help but.
-Yes.
-I think Will's probably- -Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
-Yes, exactly, you can go now.
-Yeah, no, but- -Thank you.
-Okay.
-Right, um.
-Yes.
-I mean, I really don't want to interfere, Will.
-Yeah, no worries, yeah.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
-Okay.
-Right, ah.
[narrator] For Ian, after a long day, this is a chance to demonstrate just how rapidly you can transform an apparently random arrangement of steel, rubber, handlebars and other things into a completely different arrangement twice its real size if you really want to.
Ah, just the pedal there.
There, that's it and there you go, done.
Yes, thank you.
-Okay, well- -Yes.
Don't forget helmet and lights.
Yeah, no, exactly, no.
Wouldn't want anything to happen to you.
-Yes.
-Okay.
Thank you.
-Shall I just... -Yes, exactly, yes.
-Okay, there you go.
-Yes.
-See you tomorrow.
-Yes, exactly, yes.
Oh, right, okay, good.
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