
Episode 3
Season 6 Episode 3 | 45m 10sVideo has Closed Captions
A woman wants to thank her birth mother while a man hopes he can find his brother.
Deborah Ozturk wants to thank her mother for the sacrifice she made in giving her up as a baby, while Ray Jones hopes he can find his brother and get some answers about his past.
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Episode 3
Season 6 Episode 3 | 45m 10sVideo has Closed Captions
Deborah Ozturk wants to thank her mother for the sacrifice she made in giving her up as a baby, while Ray Jones hopes he can find his brother and get some answers about his past.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship[Davina] For thousands of people across Britain, someone is missing from their lives.
[woman] Just to be in my father's arms... to have him hold me... it'd be like a dream come true.
[woman] It was a secret, and finding my brother would put an end to that secret.
[man] I want to know that I'm part of a family, somebody to feel loved by and to express love to.
Finding someone when the trail's gone cold can feel like an impossible task.
But that's where we step in... You have a half-brother.
You don't know how important this is to me.
...offering a last chance to people desperate for help... -[Davina] Here's your mother.
-Oh, my gosh!
I've imagined this moment my whole life.
[Nicky] We've no idea where our searches will lead.
We've travelled the world, uncovering family secrets and finding people that nobody else could trace.
Laura?
¿Cómo está?
Buenos días.
[Nicky] That's your daughter.
Gracias.
[Davina] ...and finally answering questions that have haunted entire lives.
I'm your big brother.
[laughs] I've always wanted a big brother.
This week, two stories of children separated from their mothers: A daughter who needs to find and thank her birth mother for the sacrifice she made...
I'd love to be able to see her and say, "You did the right thing, and here I am."
...and a man desperate to make up for a missed opportunity nearly 60 years ago.
I could have met my mother... but I didn't.
[dramatic music ends] [seagulls calling] [Davina] Our first search comes from Essex and a woman longing to find her birth mother, who had to give her up as a baby.
[contemplative music playing] [woman] There you go, Mum.
There's your cup of tea.
Oh, thanks, dear.
[woman] My mum who brought me up, I love her more than life.
Ooh, that's a bit hot.
[woman] And we're very close.
But there's another person out there who's such a big part of me, that I've never met.
I don't know her, and I really want to.
-[mom] Where?
-Mum, do you remember this?
Where were we when this picture was taken?
-'Cause we're all together.
-Yeah, that's Australia.
Looks like Lynne there.
Mother of two Deborah Ozturk was born in Adelaide, Australia in 1966.
So, that would have been a little while before we came... -[mom] Back here.
Yeah.
-...back.
She was adopted by an English couple, Betty and John Winchester, and grew up with her five adoptive brothers and sisters.
Mum, do you remember telling me when I was adopted?
Oh, I told you very young.
You used to say, "I'm doctored."
[Deborah laughs] But it wasn't until Deborah was a teenager that Betty told her the details of the adoption, and the fact that Betty had known Deborah's birth mother, Joan Mitchell.
[Deborah] It was a revelation to me.
All of a sudden, there's my mum telling me, actually, she knew my birth mother.
And I had so many questions.
How did you meet her?
Well, um, I enquired around and found a-- a girl to mind my children.
And it was Joan.
She was a very nice girl.
We liked her very much.
All Betty knew about Joan when she came to work as the family nanny was that she was 17, had been living in a hostel, and she was pregnant.
[Deborah] I must have been about six months old then, I think.
Joan said she wasn't able to keep her child and asked Betty and John to adopt Deborah.
[Deborah] When I found out, it meant an awful lot.
My birth mother had the chance to see the environment that I'd be growing up in.
It made me feel loved to know that she'd put me with a family where she thought I'd be safe.
By the time Deborah's family moved back to the UK, Betty had lost touch with Joan.
It wasn't until Deborah had grown up and had her first child, Devrim, that her thoughts turned again to her birth mother.
Look, I can see a sailboat over there coming in.
Look, on the tide.
Can you see it?
[Deborah] Devrim is nearly 17.
He has Down syndrome.
He had some complications when he was born and had to have an operation when he was nine months old.
He had heart surgery at Great Ormond Street.
It was just, uh, one of the most awful times of my life, going through that with him.
The thought that you might lose your child... that feeling of just pure dread, you know.
And she had to do that, she had to give me away.
It must have been so hard for her.
And that's when I had this urge, this feeling that I wanted to look for her.
Deborah ordered her adoption paperwork.
It revealed details of her birth mother, Joan's, own childhood.
Joan was born in England, one of twin girls adopted first as babies and then again aged 10.
Unlike Deborah's, their adoptions didn't work out.
Joan and her second adopted family came to Australia in 1962.
And this placement also broke down in 1963.
And Joan and her twin were both made wards of the state.
How huge it must have been to be adopted twice and moved to a new country with a new family, and for that to break down as well.
It's heartbreaking.
I'm realizing how lucky I am to have had my mum, who adopted me.
I felt very emotional reading through that.
It made me feel even more loved by her and what she did for me, reading what she'd gone through herself.
Instead of putting me through what she'd been through, she met Betty and John, and she got to know that family that she left me with.
Nothing would mean more to me than being able to sit in front of her and say, you know, "You did the right thing for me at that time, and I need to thank you for that."
Deborah's birth mother, Joan, was living in Australia when she had Deborah, but she was born and spent her early years in England.
So, our first question-- did she come back here, to her home country?
[Nicky] But checks of births, ma rriages, and deaths in the UK led nowhere.
Our next step was to try and find Joan in Australia.
However, searches of Australian records drew a blank.
There was no sign of a Joan Mitchell born at the right time anywhere in Australia.
But Joan wasn't the only name mentioned in Deborah's adoption papers.
She'd gone to Australia with her twin sister, and her name, Ruth Alexandra, was unusual.
Could this be the route to Joan?
[suspenseful music playing] Records showed a recent address for Ruth.
But when we followed this up, we discovered that, sadly, Ruth had passed away.
However, Ruth's husband still lived at the address, and he explained why we hadn't been able to find Joan.
Joan had changed her name to Kate, and he was able to give us contact details for her.
Kate confirmed that she was, indeed, Deborah's mother and agreed to meet me.
She still lives just outside Adelaide, the city where Deborah was born, with her husband, Noel.
For Deborah, the fact that her birth mother chose her adoptive family is proof of how much she cared about her daughter's future.
I wonder what that time was like for Kate, and how she'll now feel about the choice she made for Deborah.
-Hello, Nicky.
-Kate?
-Nice to meet you.
-Very nice to meet you.
-Come on in.
-Thank you very much.
So, when you heard that, uh, Deborah was looking for you, what went through your mind?
I was taken aback.
I was really, really surprised.
Astounded, actually.
It was like... my daughter actually wants to find me.
I didn't think that would ever happen.
Honestly didn't.
So, what was your life like when you fell pregnant?
I was living in a hostel.
Um, no opportunity to provide Deborah with any-- any chances.
So, the choice I made was the choice I made because of my situation.
And I made a decision to give my daughter to a family that I knew, for Deborah's well-being.
Betty and John took me in.
They looked after me.
And that family vibe was-- was really there.
And that-- that was really good for me, knowing where Deborah was.
And did you think that that was a family you would have liked to have had when you were a little girl?
Oh, yeah.
[laughs] That would have been nice.
Can I go back to when you were little?
'Cause I know that it was difficult.
It was difficult.
I'm one of a twin.
That's us there.
We were adopted when we were babies to a family, um, and that, um, all fell through.
And then we were adopted a second time.
Totally unsuitable family.
I didn't have a happy childhood at all.
At all.
So, my upbringing totally meant that I had to try and ensure that everything for Deborah was much better.
Do you remember Deborah as a baby?
What was she like?
Um, I've got a photo.
Would you like to see it?
I'd love to see a photo.
[Kate] And there she is.
[Nicky] Oh, my goodness me.
[Kate] I was still visiting then.
You were still visiting when she was about a year old?
Yes.
[Kate] I was visiting for 12 to 14 months, but then I thought, "Deborah can't have two mums."
It was a very hard thing to do.
A very hard thing to do.
And I don't know how I managed to survive that.
[Nicky] That must have been so difficult.
Hmm.
And do you have any more children?
No, I don't.
I didn't really feel that I would make a good mother.
Um, and that was really linked to, actually-- to giving Deborah away.
You know, how-- how can a mother give her child away?
Well, she wants you to know that she had a wonderful adoption.
She had brilliant parents.
And she's been able to-- to hold onto the fact that you cared so much about her that you made absolutely sure that she was going to the right family.
Got it right, and that's-- that is-- that's just the best-- just the best news, it really is.
Well, I've got to show you a photograph.
Oh.
-That's your daughter.
-Oh!
Wow!
Huh!
She's just beautiful.
She's just beautiful.
My!
Mm.
She looks happy.
Amazing.
Totally and utterly amazing.
She's got two children-- Devrim, who is, uh, 16, and Tariq, who is 14.
Two boys.
And she's dedicated herself to her boys.
What an amazing woman.
Oh, I can't wait to meet her.
[Davina] But before we tell Deborah that we've found her mother... Our second story comes from West Sussex and a man looking for answers about his past.
Seventy-four-year-old Ray Jones is a retired farmer.
[chatter] He has nine children and twelve grandchildren.
But his own beginnings are a mystery.
[Ray] I'm looking for a history, my history.
The question is, who am I, and where do I come from?
Ray was born during the Second World War and grew up in care, knowing nothing about his background.
[Ray] Here we are.
And there's the castle.
At the age of 2, he was sent to Comlongon Castle in Scotland, then a children's home run by the charity Barnardo's.
[Ray] It was a long time ago.
It's good to be back, though.
I have absolutely no memories of my family.
Growing up in Barnardo's, that was my home, that was my family.
We were Barnardo's boys.
I mean, that's why I got this.
And I got this done.
It's like an identity.
'Cause I didn't have a family.
I was on my own.
Ray spent his whole childhood in care.
I didn't know what love was, because I'd never received it.
I mean, I was cared for and people cared about me, but I never had a real sense of being loved.
So, I thought the way to live was to be on your own and be self-contained.
It was only in his forties, following the breakdown of his second marriage, that Ray began to ask questions about who he was and where he came from.
I needed to know who my mother was, who my family is.
There's this void at the back of your life which you know absolutely nothing about.
And everyone else knows what their past is, and I don't.
So, I thought it was about time I, you know, faced it.
In 1988, Ray contacted Barnardo's to find out anything he could about his history.
This was the first time that I got any information about my family.
My mother was, uh, Myra Fon Kathleen Jones.
Ray also discovered he had a half-brother who'd stayed with his mother.
I know absolutely nothing about him, apart from his name-- Arthur John Jones.
That's the only thing I know about him.
No information as to how to get in contact with him.
No addresses.
Nothing.
These basic facts were not enough for Ray.
I still felt alone.
I needed to contact my family and my mother.
And maybe see her and find out who she is and what she's like.
And why I was put into Barnardo's.
It was like clutching at something, you know, having something to hold onto.
Someone you can love.
[Ray] She's really a beautiful baby, isn't she?
With the help of his children, Ray embarked on a search for his mother and brother.
Barnardo's put him in contact with a search agency, but for years, he kept hitting dead ends.
[woman] It was becoming more important all the time to find them, to know where he started from, where he came from.
Then, just over a year ago, following a change in Barnardo's policy in 1995 that allowed Ray to access his entire care record, Ray applied for his file.
In it was a document that turned his life upside-down.
I discovered my mother had written a letter in 1957, when I was 15 years old, trying to have me back.
It was, uh, quite a big shock.
This is what she wrote: "Dear Sir or Madam, I am so glad Raymond is well, and I wonder if you would like to hear from me after all these years.
[crying] I have always wanted to have him home with me.
I only hope, as he gets older, he will understand [sob] what a heartache I have been through.
Maybe if you saw him and told him I had written to you.
I would truly like to get the letter from him.
Thank you for all you've done for Raymond."
I never received this letter at all.
I never even knew of it until last year.
Notes in Ray's file state that Barnardo's asked Ray whether he wanted contact with his family, and at the time, he confirmed th at he was happy where he was.
But Ray has no memory of this.
I never knew anything about this.
Well, I have no recollection of knowing about it.
But it's a chance that I've missed in meeting my mother.
[sentimental music playing] She obviously loved me.
Had I known about this at the time, I would have gone and seen my mother.
I would have met her.
Never got a chance.
[melancholy music playing] Since he missed the opportunity to see his mother almost 60 years ago, and knowing she's unlikely to still be alive, Ray feels his only hope is to find his brother.
I need to meet my brother to say to him some of the things I couldn't say to my mother.
He's the closest thing I have to my mother.
And this is maybe the last chance I have to know who my family was.
[Nicky] When we took on Ray's search, we knew that his mother.
Myra Jones, was living in Liverpool when she gave him up.
Thirteen years later, when she wrote the letter to try and reach Ray again, she was still at the same address, Vandyke Street.
And, crucially, she was now called Myra Matthews.
[Nicky] We looked for her under this married name, and, sadly, we discovered, as Ray expected, Myra had passed away, in 1975 at the age of 56.
So, we began a search for Ray's brother Arthur.
Although he's named in the paperwork as Arthur Jones, the same document also contains a crucial clue-- that Arthur stayed with his mother.
So, knowing that Myra had gone on to marry, could Arthur have taken his stepfather's name?
When we searched for an Arthur Matthews, born around 1944, one person ju mped out, still in Liverpool.
Could this be Ray's brother?
We contacted Arthur, and he confirmed that he was the person we were looking for.
He agreed to meet me at his house in Knowsley, just outside the city center.
Ever since he read the letter from his mother, Ray's wondered what might have been, and whether he could have been a part of his family.
But I wonder what life was like for Arthur growing up with their mother, and whether Arthur knew about Ray.
[Nicky] Arthur?
Hi, and how are you?
-Nicky Campbell.
-Nice to see you.
-Yeah, you too.
-Did you want to come in?
[Nicky] Love to.
Thank you very much.
How was it when you found out Ray was looking for you?
Well, quite-- quite amazing, really.
Even though I know, or knew, I had a brother named Ray.
You knew?
Yeah, I knew I had a brother named Ray.
When my mum was quite ill in hospital, and she always told me this story about Ray coming to see her and sitting on the bed.
She said, "Ray's been here."
And I said to her, you know, "Who's Ray?"
She said, "Well Ray was your older brother."
She was convinced that he had been to the hospital, which she-- she believed that.
Yeah.
That was basically the last thing she ever said to me then.
-Was it?
-Yeah.
More or less.
She died more or less a few days later.
And since then, I've always thought maybe I'd never ever meet this so-called Ray.
So, towards the end, your mother had a vision about Ray?
[Arthur] Yeah.
You know, it's sad, really.
It was...
I think she was desperate, really.
Because she always wanted her children together, and she never managed to do that.
'Cause a lot of them were put in foster homes, because she couldn't cope.
-How many children did she have?
-She had 13.
I was the lucky one, 'cause I was a weakling.
I was a very sick boy.
She always kept me close, to, you know, look after me.
But she loved all her children.
You know, we struggled when we were kids, really, for-- for food and stuff like that.
And she'd scrub steps and things like that.
Menial work.
And she'd get us by on what we had.
Maybe not three meals a day, but we certainly had one.
So, she tried everything to get her children.
Yeah, she tried to keep all of us together.
And it was hard.
Too hard a life for a woman.
You know.
That's what my mum looked like.
Yeah.
[Nicky] She's got a lovely face.
[Arthur] She was very elegant.
She might struggle but she never looked like she struggled.
She'd always look perfect.
Even though you might have nothing, you can always look tidy.
She was a very loving mother.
Very, very loving mother.
But all this is exactly what Ray has wanted to know for decades.
Yeah.
So, he's known about me, and I've known about him.
[sighs] Last year, he found out she had written a letter to Barnardo's, when he was 15.
-Can I read it to you?
-Yeah.
"Dear Sir or Madam, If you could let me know if Raymond would like to hear from me.
Maybe if you saw him and told him I would truly like to get a letter from him.
Yours sincerely, Myra Matthews."
He never got that letter.
Good God!
It's just a shame, really.
It's a damn shame.
-It's heartbreaking, isn't it?
-Yeah.
'Cause he's 74, and I'm 72, and I've never met him.
I've got a photo of your brother.
Have you?
[Arthur sniffs] There he is.
Let me see.
He does look like me, doesn't he?
Eh?
Very good.
How do you feel about meeting him?
Oh, I'll be made up, absolutely made up.
[Davina] Before we tell Ray we found his brother... [seagulls calling] I've come to Essex to meet Deborah Ozturk, who's been searching for her birth mother for over 30 years.
We found her mother, now called Kate, living near Adelaide, Australia, the place where Deborah was born and adopted.
It meant so much to Deborah to know that her birth mother took such great care when choosing her family.
And now that Kate's been found, Deborah is gonna get the chance to say thank you.
[doorbell ringing] -Hi, Deborah.
-Hi, Davina, lovely to meet you.
-How are you?
-I'm good, thank you.
Come in.
Aww, thanks.
-So, how have you been?
-I'm good, thanks.
I mean, this story is so unique.
Your mum had hand-picked your adoptive parents.
It was-- it made me feel so much better about myself, um, knowing that that's exactly what she did.
She got to know that family.
But it must have broken her heart.
I'm sure it must have broken her heart.
-Well, it did break her heart, -[gasping] and I know that because we found her.
Oh, my god!
-Really?
-Yes.
I can't believe it.
Oh, gosh.
That is just the best news.
I can't believe you found her.
I can't believe you found her.
Oh, my god!
Oh!
[laughs] I'm so happy.
She changed her name to Kate.
-She changed her name!
-Got there in the end.
Mm.
All these years, I've been looking for a Joan.
There wasn't one.
And the only reason why she chose the name was just 'cause she didn't like the name Joan.
And it's exactly as you imagined.
She had no one to help her.
She had to live with-- with the hope that it would be the right thing.
She did come and visit you, but then she knew at some point -that it would have to stop.
-That it couldn't go on.
That you couldn't have two mums, you had to have one.
[cries] -I have got two mums, though.
-Yeah, you have.
Two amazing women in my life.
Did she go on to have more children?
[whispering] She never had any more children.
[gasps] None?
She felt that if she'd given you away, what kind of mother would she be?
Oh, my god!
So, you're her only little girl.
Oh, my god!
[crying] I can't believe she didn't go on to have any more children.
No, I know.
After everything else.
It is sad, but she's-- she's happy.
-That's good.
-She's having a lovely life now.
Oh, I'm so pleased about that.
And she-- you can't believe, um, the peace of mind that everything that you-- you've told her has brought to her.
Oh, I'm so pleased about that.
[crying] Would you like to see a picture?
Yes, please!
[sobs] Oh!
Oh, my gosh!
I can see me in her.
[Davina] I can completely see you in her.
[laughs] She looks so lovely.
It's like looking at-- it is looking at a bit of me.
Mm-hmm.
I can't believe I'm sitting here looking at a picture of my birth mum, and that you found her.
[Davina] So, what do you think you're gonna say to her?
[Deborah] Oh, my god!
Biggest thank you.
I'm so glad I didn't give up.
[crying] Oh, thank you.
Ray Jones grew up in care and has spent years trying to trace his family.
Sadly, we've discovered that his mother, Myra, died over 40 years ago.
But we've found his younger brother, Arthur, and Ray's gonna get the opportunity to find out about his mother and finally be part of the family.
We've already told Ray that, as he suspected, his mother has passed away.
[intercom buzzing] -Hi, Ray.
-Hello.
-How are you?
-Pleased to meet you.
And you.
You alright?
-[Ray] Yeah, fine, yeah.
-Thank you.
[Davina] So, thank you for talking to me.
I'm sorry that we couldn't have brought you better news this morning.
I was expecting it anyway.
Yes.
I think the thing that really hit me about your-- your story was the letter, and discovering it so late.
[Ray] Yeah.
I would just like to learn more about who my mother was, what she was like, you know, what sort of a person she was.
And the opportunity to learn about myself.
-My past.
-Mm.
Which I've never had before.
Well, you are gonna get that, because we've found your brother Arthur.
Have you?
[crying] [sobbing] Where is he?
He's in Liverpool.
-He's still in Liverpool?
-Yeah.
[Davina] Yeah.
Oh, god!
Whew.
He stayed with your mum.
[Ray] Really?
And he said Myra's life was very, very tough.
But the reason why Arthur was with her always, was because he was quite a sickly child.
So, he stayed with her.
And when your-- your mum was in hospital, she had a vision.
She said to Arthur that you had been to visit her.
She said, "Ray came to see me."
Dear me.
And a while later, she passed away.
Ray, I'm sorry.
It's not fair, it's just not bloody fair.
Not just for me, but for her.
Well, there's so much that Arthur wants to tell you about your mum.
Mm, I know, and there's so much I want to ask him as well.
I've got a picture to show you, if you'd like to see him.
Yes.
There's your brother.
[breathes heavily] [gulps] [groans] [Ray] Well, I'll be blowed.
-Can see the similarity.
-Yeah!
[laughing] I need to meet him face to face, you know, and shake his hand and give him a hug.
Thank you.
Okay.
[Ray] Love you.
[inhales deeply] There's Arthur.
You were right.
[laughing] That's lovely.
[Ray's breath shaking] Aw!
I love you so much.
[emotional] I knew we'd find him, Dad.
Today, two days after I met Ray, he's come to his family's home city of Liverpool to meet his brother Arthur.
Looks grand.
[woman] Good luck.
-Hi, Ray.
-Hello.
-How you doing?
-Nice to see you again.
-Oh, my goodness.
-How are you?
-Ready?
-Yeah, I hope so.
The brothers are going to meet in a pub in the heart of the city, not far from where Arthur lived with their mother.
Coming towards where we were brought up.
The houses are exactly the same as when I was a boy.
What would she think of today, your mother?
She'd think it was amazing, I think, definitely.
Her oldest two are meeting again.
Right.
-Okay, Nick.
-There you go.
Thanks for that.
Alright.
Take it easy.
So, after 72 years, here you are, you're gonna meet Arthur.
Yeah.
It's a lifetime.
It'll be the end of a search and the end of a journey, but it will also be the start of another one.
And hopefully a better one, because... [Davina] He'll be part of it.
[Ray] Yeah, he will.
So, I'm gonna leave you here.
Good luck.
Thank you.
He's in the pub down there.
[clears throat] [contemplative music playing] How are ya?
Hello, Ray.
How are you doing, mate?
-Arthur.
Alright.
And you?
-Nice to see ya, truly.
It's been a long time.
-[exhales sharply] -Aye.
Hey, you're wearing a leather jacket.
[laughs] Hey, sit down, lad.
Hey, you do look like me, don't you?
[Ray] Yeah, right, yeah.
Just a couple of years older... Yeah, yeah.
There's so, uh... Go ahead.
-Questions.
-I know.
So, what would you say she was like as a person?
Was she happy?
She was a very loving mother, but she was never happy.
-And I don't mind saying that.
-No... She was never happy.
She struggled all the time.
I can tell you now she struggled 'cause I-- I knew.
-It's sad, isn't it?
-Oh, yeah.
I've got a picture, if you want to see.
Here you are, here it is.
Our mother.
-Oh, wow.
-Yeah.
[Ray] Oh, wow.
Yeah, that's the first time I've ever seen her.
She was a nice-looking woman.
She loved all her children.
Every one of them.
So, how many children did she have, then?
Well... 13.
-Bloody hell.
-Do you want the list?
[Arthur] There was you, me, Andrew.
Then you've got Minera, uh, Wendy, Sherry and Sandra, -the twins.
-Wow.
There was Diane and Miriam.
And then the last four, uh, John, Terry, Myra and David.
That's all of them, and they're all still alive.
But, uh, they were in homes.
Oh, were they?
Oh, aye, yeah, every one of them were in homes, bar me-- I was the lucky one.
So, what do the others think about all this?
Well, they think it's quite amazing.
It's 70 years.
Almost a lifetime, isn't it?
As soon as I saw him, I felt that he was my brother.
[Arthur] I hope that, you know, we can get to know each other a lot better.
I'm gonna make a reunion with most of us I can get ahold of, so he can meet them all.
Just look at the camera.
[shutter clicks] Okay.
[Ray] For the past 70-odd years, I've been living, uh, contained within myself.
But now, I feel like I can at last open up, you know, and say, "This is who I am."
[upbeat music playing] [Davina] Deborah Ozturk has been searching for her birth mother, Kate, for over 30 years.
Today, Deborah has made the 10,000-mile trip to Adelaide, Australia with her family to be reunited with her.
You're liking that kiwi fruit.
Kiwi fruit's really good for you.
We're on the other side of the world, me and my children, about to meet my birth mum.
It's just amazing.
Do you want a drink of anything, Dev?
[Deborah] She did absolutely the right thing for me.
So, she's pretty amazing, what's she's been through and what she sacrificed, you know, to try and give me a better life.
And I want to thank her for that.
[birds squawking] [Kate] Really, really looking forward to meeting Deborah.
It's a long time coming.
Just to say to her that I'm so happy that she was with John and-- and Betty, and that they gave her a life, a really happy life, that I couldn't have done at that time.
It-- it is very exciting, but that still doesn't stop the nerves.
[Deborah] See you later.
I love you.
Be good.
Alright?
I love you.
Deborah's leaving her sons with a member of her family at the hotel... [Deborah] Be good.
...while she goes to meet her mother.
Mother and daughter will meet at Carrick Hall, not far from where Kate last saw Deborah.
[sentimental music playing] Oh, my god!
[crying] [cries] Hi.
[Deborah sobbing] I can't believe they found you.
-You're beautiful.
-Oh!
[cries] [Deborah] Oh, I want to hug you.
I don't want to let go.
I never believed this day would ever happen.
Nor did I. Oh!
[laughing] It's here.
Oh, I'm so happy.
Oh, I'm so happy.
-[Kate] Come and sit down.
-Oh, god!
-Come and sit down.
-Oh!
[both laugh] [Kate] Oh, dear!
I can't stop looking at you.
I can't stop looking at you either.
It's just-- And the last time I saw you, you were probably about 14 months.
-And here I am.
-Here you are.
It's been a long time.
-A long, long time.
-Yes.
[crying] -Oh, bless you.
-Thank you.
[Kate] Thank you for looking for me.
Thank you for what you did for me, Kate, honestly.
I really, really admire what you did.
It was hard, but giving you to Betty and John, they were so nice to me.
They were really just so, so nice.
We'll have to have a Mum Betty and Mum Kate, -is that alright?
[laughs] -That's fine, yes.
I can't wait for you to see the boys.
Grandsons.
-Grandsons, yes.
-Grandsons.
Can I show you?
[Kate] Oh, yes, yes.
Oh, wow!
Beautiful.
Can't wait to meet them.
[Deborah] You know Devrim's got Down syndrome?
Yes.
I've worked with, um, people with disabilities for over 20 years, and... How amazing is that?
That's your family there, Kate.
Mm.
Yes.
Bless you.
Bless you for what you did.
[Deborah] I'm just so happy that I've met her.
She's always been a part of me, and it just felt so natural and so easy.
And she's just so lovely.
Perfect.
Perfect day.
-Perfect day.
-Oh.
[crying] [Kate] It was just so beautiful, just-- just to hold her.
So, she has Mum Betty and Mum Kate.
That's, uh, pretty special that she considers me to still be her mum.
Yeah.
Not something I ever would have dreamt of.
[birds singing] [Deborah] Dev!
[laughs] He's shy.
[Deborah] Dev, come on!
Dev, come on!
[laughs] -Look, look!
Pounce on him.
-Come on!
[Deborah] Yay!
[laughs] Hello.
Aww!
[laughs] -How are you?
-I'm fine.
Good.
Lovely to meet you.
Yeah.
Hey, Mum.
Hello, gorgeous.
Mwah!
This is my birth mummy, Kate.
-Shall we have a quick hug?
-Yeah.
Yes, come on in.
-I love you.
-I love you too.
Don't cry again.
Oh, I'll try not to cry again.
[laughs] It's a bit hard not to cry.
[laughs] [Deborah] We've found each other now.
I'm not gonna let her go.
It's lovely.
[Nicky] Next time, on "Long Lost Family," a mother whose precious time spent with her daughter has been wiped from her memory... [woman] I lost a lot of memories of her when she was a baby, but you don't forget about giving birth to a child and then giving her away.
...and a woman looking for her mother, who disappeared from her life when she was 3.
[woman] The hope, for me, is the hope that's driven me all of my life... is to find my mother.
[peaceful music playing]
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