

Episode 5
Season 3 Episode 5 | 45m 25sVideo has Closed Captions
Two stories of family secrets are revealed in this episode.
Two stories of family secrets are revealed in this episode. Robert Capron’s searches for his mother who abandoned him to be brought up by his father. Also, the extraordinary story of twin sisters searching for their younger twin brothers.
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Episode 5
Season 3 Episode 5 | 45m 25sVideo has Closed Captions
Two stories of family secrets are revealed in this episode. Robert Capron’s searches for his mother who abandoned him to be brought up by his father. Also, the extraordinary story of twin sisters searching for their younger twin brothers.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship[Davina] For thousands of people across Britain, someone is missing from their lives.
[woman] Has he passed away?
Is he still alive, or am I looking for someone that doesn't exist anymore?
[man] I seemed to think that she didn't want me.
If you're not wanted, it hurts.
[woman] I've carried this secret for years and years and years.
All my life I've carried that shame.
Finding someone when the trail's gone cold can feel like an impossible task, but that is where we step in... Oh, my gosh, she has my eyes.
...offering a last chance to people desperate for help.
"I last saw you as two boys and now you're both grown men.
To see you both again would be like a dream come true."
Now I know that I did the right thing.
I haven't known that for all these years.
With no idea where our searches will lead, we've travelled the world, hoping to solve some of our toughest cases yet.
She's lived for more than 50 years with this horrible feeling that you will feel rejected; she seeks forgiveness.
[Davina] And finally, unravelling mysteries that have overshadowed entire lives.
I can't tell you what this means to me.
This week, two stories of family secrets.
A son who has no idea why his mother vanished from his life over 50 years ago.
It was absolutely a taboo subject.
It was almost like she didn't exist.
And twin sisters looking for the twin brothers whose existence was kept hidden.
[woman] It's become obsessive of the need to find them.
They're not real, they're not real, they're a piece of paper at the moment.
[dramatic music playing] Our first story comes from the seaside in Devon, and a man who, for more than half a century, has been haunted by the disappearance of his mother when he was just a toddler.
[man] No, it'll wash away there, Ella.
What about putting it here?
Just here.
[man] At some point she must have held me or fed me or things that mothers do.
She gave birth to me.
You just want hopefully to know that she did what she did for the right reasons.
You're gonna go!
Two... Three!
Whoa!
Fifty-three-year-old Robert Capron is a devoted grandfather.
[woman] He is very family orientated.
The family is of paramount importance to him, and if the family are happy, he's happy.
Come on then, you gotta fill it up... -Ah, that was cold!
-[Robert chuckles] But Robert's life today is very different from the world in which he grew up.
[Robert] All of my family moments started when I met Elizabeth.
Until then I didn't really have a family.
I can't say that I thought I had a family that really cared about me.
-[peaceful music playing] -[gulls calling] An only child, Robert was raised by his father William, in Devon.
[Robert] My father gambled.
It basically was his life.
it was his only pleasure.
It's like he'd thrown everything into that because he had nothing else in his life and it just meant he never had anything and he could never buy things.
It was a very, very lonely upbringing.
I'd see him maybe for half an hour, an hour, and then he'd go back to work, and I wouldn't see him then.
I would go out at night and walk around the streets at ten o'clock at night because I was fed up of being in a bedroom sat on my own.
It's really difficult to know where my life might have ended up if my mother had been around.
Robert has no memory of his mother, who vanished when he was just two.
[Robert] It's very difficult to imagine what happened.
I assume it was the gambling and the struggles that she would have seen.
Probably if she had any sense, she would have got out as quick as she could.
I can remember asking questions about my mother, obviously, when I was young, and he wouldn't discuss it, and it was absolutely a taboo subject.
It was almost like she didn't exist.
I used to sit with his dad sometimes and say, "Bill, please, please, tell Bob something about his mum."
But it was, was a closed book, there was no discussion.
His father never even shared a photograph of his mother with him and for most of his childhood Robert had no idea what she looked like.
I do remember I found a photograph of, a little tiny photograph that you would get from a photograph booth.
And I remember hiding that under my mattress and having it for maybe six months.
It was a wonderful thing for the time that I had the photograph to actually know that there was somebody that had given birth to me.
My father found it and tore it up and put it in the bin.
And I can remember crying... and sticking it back together and carrying it, hiding it somewhere else, and carrying it again, but the bugger found it again and this time he destroyed it.
It was only after his father's death 14 years ago that amongst his dad's papers he found a photograph of his mother that he could finally keep.
And when you see it, she's so petite and so tiny, and...
I feel that I need to put my arm around her, perhaps tell her that it's all right.
Robert also discovered the first piece of hard evidence about who his mother was.
His parents' marriage certificate revealed that on the day of her wedding, she was just 20 and her maiden name was Sherwood.
[Robert] I remember taking a telephone book of the Sherwoods, and I made hundreds, hundreds of phone calls.
But Robert's attempts to track down his mother led nowhere.
The only other fact Robert knows for certain is that in 1959, on the day his parents were married, his mother was in this church in Cambridge.
[Robert] It's nice to feel that I've actually stood somewhere where I know my mother, although many years ago, has been.
[woman] It must have been a huge decision that to have actually have gone and left the baby.
It would have had to have been extremely serious.
[Robert] I would hope that she left for the right reasons.
And I suppose most importantly that, that she hadn't gone and just forgotten me.
I think that would be really important.
[Nicky] The only concrete facts Robert could give us to help with the search was his mother's maiden name, Jean Sherwood, and also the names of her parents.
But when we searched the UK records, we couldn't find any trace of her or her mum and dad.
To have any hope of finding Robert's mum, we needed someone who could give us a lead to her whereabouts.
After nearly a year of searching, we got our first breakthrough.
Using her maiden name, we were able to piece together her family tree and eventually we were able to trace a distant relative living in America.
Hiya.
He told us that in the late 1960s, Jean had moved with her parents to Queensland in Australia.
A search through Australian records for any of Jean's family revealed that her parents had died over ten years ago, but information on their death records led us to a Jean Jennings living in a Brisbane suburb.
If she'd remarried since living in Australia, this could be the Jean we were looking for.
A check of the marriage register confirmed that Robert's mum had indeed married a Mr. Jennings in 1976.
At last we'd traced her, and she agreed to meet me to talk about her son.
The last time Robert saw his mother was over 50 years ago.
He was just a little baby.
It seems incredible that she could just walk out of his life and cut off all contact.
Interestingly, when we got in touch with her, before she agreed to meet me, she wanted the answer to one question: was Robert's father still alive?
Oh, good morning.
-Jean.
-Welcome to Brisbane.
-Thank you so much, I'm Nicky.
-Pleased to meet you.
I'm very pleased to meet you as well.
Do come in.
[Nicky] Up the steps, into the... into the cool.
-[Jean] Into the cool.
-How lovely.
The first question you asked was whether his father was still alive.
Yes.
Why was that the first question?
I thought I was safe in life now, because he was no longer alive.
He couldn't do anything more to hurt me again.
So if he was still alive, is there a chance we wouldn't be having this conversation?
There is a chance I would have...
I don't know.
You know there is no need to be nervous about what Bob feels.
-Yes.
-Robert.
He knows that whatever the reasons were that you left... -Mm-hmm.
-...they must have been good.
They must have been good reasons.
Ah, yes.
Yep.
He beat me quite badly on one occasion.
Bob's father?
Yeah.
Used to-- started attacking me.
I don't remember why, and I fought back at first, and, er... and eventually he hit me to the floor.
When he got me to the floor, he just carried on hitting me.
I couldn't do anything so I just flopped and pretended I was dead, and eventually he gave up and walked out of the room.
I lay there for a long time.
I had no feelings towards him after that.
Eventually he was able to talk properly and I said, "Well, that's really the end of the marriage now, isn't it?"
And he said, "Well, will you stay and look after Bobby?"
I said, "Yes, I'll do that."
How old was Robert at that stage?
-Around three months.
-Okay.
So you were in this little kind of limbo land for a while?
-Yes, yeah.
-You were still in the house.
-Yes.
-He was still in the house.
We lived like that for another two years.
I probably would have still been there today if he'd never made any effort to touch me again.
He lost his cool and went for me again.
Absolutely no idea why, no real reason.
But fortunately this time I got out of the house and he managed to catch my arm and he nearly closed the door on me, and my arm was black from there to there afterwards.
And I thought the next time he would kill me.
I had no doubts whatsoever.
Why did you come to the decision that you were going to have to go on your own and get out of there and leave your baby?
If I had taken Robert as well, he would have definitely found me and killed me.
Did you worry, Jean, that you were leaving, you know, a small child with a violent man?
He was only violent with me.
He totally worshipped Robert so much, I didn't think he would ever lay a finger on him.
I used to say a little prayer and hope the Lord would keep him safe, because I knew I couldn't.
Robert's father was never violent towards him.
[Jean] That's lovely to hear.
I just couldn't bear to imagine it or think of it.
I just thought he loved him too much, he would never touch him, if he was solely his.
Did you not think about tracing him, finding him, finding where he was, what he was doing?
-What was stopping you?
-Total terror.
Total fear.
I just blanked everything out.
I couldn't have survived otherwise.
The only thing I retained was the last time I saw Robert.
Blond haired, blue eyed, with a lovely smile.
Can you see that smile now?
Never left me.
It's the one thing I could never blank out.
Which I treasure.
Are you glad this has happened?
Oh, yes, but I didn't think it would ever happen.
-Didn't you?
-No.
Well, it has happened, and there he is.
[Jean] Oh, gosh.
He looks nice.
Lovely eyes.
Thank you.
[Nicky] He's such a nice guy.
He's a gentle guy.
He's written some thoughts down in a letter.
"Dear Mum, I have wished so many times over the years that I could let you know that I'm fine.
I have wanted to tell you that I have never, ever... blamed you for not being in my life.
Whatever happened, whatever the circumstances, I know that you could not have taken the decision you did easily and without regret.
The ultimate would be to have the unbelievable chance of actually meet you... and to be able to tell you face to face that I never stopped thinking about you.
Love, Bob."
[Nicky] So how do you feel about meeting him?
[Jean] Oh, I'd love to meet him.
He will be absolutely thrilled.
[Davina] Robert Capron has no memory of his mother Jean, who disappeared from his life when he was just a toddler.
His father would never explain why she left.
I'm on my way to tell Robert that we've finally found his mother living on the other side of the world, near Brisbane in Australia.
-Hi.
-[Davina] Hi.
What a fantastic position.
-[Robert] Thank you.
-Lovely.
Your story, er, hit a nerve with me because I didn't grow up with my mother, and, um, one of my triggers would always be watching films.
Angela Lansbury, I always wanted her to be my mum.
You know, were there things that triggered you, kind of a pining?
[Robert] It was really when, when I met my wife, and suddenly I was a father, and really strong feelings came in then because I... you begin to realize what you can give to a child and perhaps what I didn't get given and that, that's when the real pain of what I'd missed-- you realize what you've missed because what you can do then for your own children.
How have you felt towards your mother since she left?
I don't know the circumstances.
My father would never talk about it, so whatever happened between them, there's no blame.
There's no anger, there's no... Life was whatever the circumstances was.
Well, I know you looked for a very, very long time, and we looked for a very, very long time, and we found her.
-I'm sorry.
-Don't.
That means the world.
You know, the circumstances were difficult and she never wanted to leave you.
And she'll be able to tell you all about that.
I think that's... that's her story to tell.
-She can tell me.
-Yep.
-She can explain.
-She can explain.
-Oh, golly.
-I've got a photo if you'd like to see it.
Please, please.
Thank you.
She looks a very kind person.
She looks quite serene, doesn't she?
-Mm.
-She's written you a letter as well.
Would you like to...?
"Dear Robert, I was always hoping that you'd find me one day, but as it is so long ago now, I did not think it would ever happen.
I can assure you I never stopped loving you.
I would like to explain how and why I left, so that you can understand the deep sadness within me of leaving you has never left me."
Oh, bless her.
[Robert] Found her.
[laughs] So pleased.
I'm so pleased for you, Bob.
Got a family.
Got a whole family.
[Davina] Before Robert is reunited with his mother... our second search is an incredible one.
It's on behalf of twin sisters who came to us wanting to trace their brothers, who remarkably are also twins.
Fifty-one-year-old twins Gail and Juliet were born ten minutes apart.
[woman 1] We speak all the time.
[woman 2] Sometimes it's several times a day.
Oh, yes, sometimes it's several times a day.
Originally from London, Gail now lives in Essex and Juliet in West Sussex.
[Gail] We're very different.
We look different, we're very different in personalities... but there's just a depth and a connection between us.
Together for the last seven years, they've been searching for their brothers who they've never met.
We don't know where they are, what their lives have been like, whether they would even want to be in touch with us.
For most of their childhood, the girls were brought up along with their two sisters by their mother Pauline.
Their father Michael was a journalist and was often away with work.
[Gail] He was tall, handsome, charismatic... [both] Charming.
I think as a father he was wonderful, but as a partner I think he was very unreliable.
He didn't have a history of being faithful.
When the twins were four, their father left their mother for another woman.
[Gail] To find herself on her own with four children, she was devastated.
But despite the breakdown of the relationship, he remained a big part of all their lives.
He wasn't an absent parent in any sense.
He was always there.
He was always our father.
It was only when the twins were teenagers that they found out that their brothers existed.
It was their father Michael, who, during one of their regular trips to see relatives, revealed the secret to Gail.
My dad was a "stiff upper lip" type of guy.
He wasn't somebody that talked about his feelings very openly, but on these journeys, we did used to talk.
Her father told her that after he'd left her mother, she had given birth to twin boys.
He told me that she had had them adopted.
He didn't tell me their names.
He told me that she really wanted the boys, and I just felt this overwhelming sadness for my mum.
Just didn't feel real that I could possibly have twin brothers.
The girls' mother, Pauline, confirmed the story was true, but she refused to go into details about their brothers.
[Juliet] I think in giving them up, she felt she was giving them a far better chance in life.
She already had four children under the age of six.
She couldn't imagine simply being able to afford putting food on the table for two more.
[Gail] My mother felt genuine pain from the loss of her children.
When somebody would knock at the door, she would always, her first hope would be that her sons had looked for her.
[Juliet] She's told me that there was never a night that she went to sleep without thinking about them first.
Over the next 30 years, Gail and Juliet's mother rarely mentioned her sons and never revealed who the boys' father was.
[Juliet] They were my mother's boys, they were hers.
We didn't discuss it, it wasn't our business.
It was only when their mother died seven years ago that the sisters felt free to look for their brothers.
After an extensive search through records, they eventually found the boys' birth certificates.
These revealed that they'd been born in 1966, when the girls were four.
But not all their questions were answered.
There's no father's name on the birth certificate.
With father Michael also dead, there was no one to turn to for answers.
The only clue they had was the names the boys had been given.
[Juliet] They're called Michael and Paul, and, uh, that... that was a "shivers down my spine" moment.
[Gail] We couldn't believe that our mother would name them after our father and herself.
If she'd had said that they were Michael and Paul, we would have immediately have said, "They're Daddy's."
The only thing she could give the boys were their parents' names.
But when the boys were adopted, it's likely that their names would have been changed and Gail and Juliet have been unable to find any more leads about their brothers' whereabouts.
We know who they were, but we don't know who they are.
I've always wondered whether being twins might have been a comfort for them, and we wonder whether they have the same connections with each other.
But the twins are realistic and know that there is a chance their brothers might not have been adopted together.
Really would upset me if they had been split up.
I hope they weren't.
I can't imagine my life without, without Gail.
It's become a little bit obsessive, the need to find them.
They're not real, they're not real, they're not real.
They're a piece of paper at the moment.
This is the first time we've been asked to search on behalf of twins, but what makes it potentially complicated is that they are also searching for twins.
Before we went any further, we needed to establish whether Michael and Paul were split up or adopted together.
Because of the confidentiality surrounding adoption, the only way we could find out what had happened to the boys was via an intermediary, legally entitled to access their records.
Two months after the case was launched, we had our first breakthrough.
Just as their sisters hoped, their brothers had been adopted together, and what was more remarkable, unlike most adoptions, their Christian names hadn't been changed.
Michael and Paul had been adopted by a Mr. and Mrs. Way.
With the discovery of their new surnames, they were eventually traced to addresses in East Sussex.
The brothers agreed to meet me at Paul's house in St Leonards-on-Sea to talk about their sisters.
[Nicky] I wonder how the adoption has affected their brothers, and more importantly, did they have any idea that they've got sisters who are also twins?
-Hello.
-Hi.
Hi, Nicky.
-I'm Nicky.
-Nice to meet you.
-Hello, Nicky, I'm Michael.
Pleased to meet you.
-Michael, Paul.
Got it.
-Come on, come in.
-Great.
So when you first got the letters saying you had sisters who were looking for you, what was your initial reaction reading that letter?
Totally unexpected.
It's something I never thought would happen.
I had, straight away, this feeling of warmth towards them.
Really?
So you felt an immediate connection.
Yeah, I felt an immediate sort of something.
Did you have any inkling at all over the years that you had siblings?
All I knew was that my birth mother had a family already.
You know, that was it, whatever that meant.
Maybe if we hadn't had such a good childhood, it would have been more of a thing for us to maybe look into.
We were always brought up that we were adopted, we were told we were adopted, and we had wonderful parents, they were absolutely blinding.
It's quite funny, you mention the fact you've been adopted and people automatically have this sort of Orphan Annie, you know, poor little Paul and Michael story, and nothing like that at all, it was great for us.
Did they tell you the story of how the adoption came about or any of that stuff?
I think Mum told me the surname and where we were born, which, I think it's all they knew.
They weren't, obviously, privy to much information.
Your birth mother had four girls, later on you two came along.
She was a single mother who couldn't cope.
I've got a picture of your birth mother here.
Oh, wow.
That's very strange.
That's Mum, then.
You can't prepare for that.
There's nothing... you can't prepare for any of this, really, could you?
[Nicky] It was devastating for her to give you up for adoption, and she thought about you all the time.
It's just so sad to think that she didn't know what we had and how happy we were, that she went through all her life not knowing that, that's tragic, really.
-Is that the old man?
[chuckles] -[Nicky] Yeah.
[Nicky] We've no definitive, categorical proof that he is your biological father, but going by your names, because of your birth mother, her name was Pauline...
Right.
...and your birth father Michael.
-Makes sense, doesn't it?
-Your sisters will be able to tell you a whole load about him because they had a relationship with him.
-They thought the world of him.
-So obviously, once the girls knew, then obviously they wondered a lot about us.
[Nicky] They were told, I think, when they were teenagers.
Here's a picture of your sisters, Gail and Juliet.
Like yourselves, non-identical twins.
-That's amazing, innit?
-That's weird.
[laughs] [Michael] Incredible, isn't it?
I wonder what their relationship's like.
I wonder if their relationship has been like ours.
They have that twin thing that they're incredibly close and they, you know, kind of second guess each other and... We never got on that well, did we?
-Did we?
-No.
Did you not have that twin bond with each other, that...?
-Nah.
-We must have broke it, but... -Yeah.
-[laughing] [Michael] I'm glad they've tried to find us, to know that someone wanted to know about what happened to us so badly.
-That means a lot.
-[Michael] It does, yeah.
There's people out there who have gone through all that pain thinking about you and loving you and... Can't do nothing about it now, can we, you know, about their pain, but... -[Michael] Yeah, it's a shame.
-...we can help the girls and they can help us guys and... some good can come out of it, can't it?
You know, some good can come out of it for all of us, really.
[Davina] Fifty years ago, Robert Capron's mother Jean disappeared from his life when she walked out on his violent father.
Today he will see her for the first time since he was a toddler.
You'll be fine.
-Take care.
-Bye.
Robert has made the 10,000-mile journey to Brisbane in Australia, where Jean now lives.
[sighs] Thank you.
You'll need that, huh?
You all ready to go?
-Yes.
-Come here and give us a hug.
-We'll see you down there, huh?
-Okay.
The word "mum" is something that has never, never been in my language, never been in my vocabulary.
To now think that I could actually perhaps send a birthday card or a Christmas card or maybe be able to pick up the phone... that's incredible.
That will change my life.
[Davina] Jean has decided to tell Robert about the violence she suffered at the hands of his father, so that he can understand why she had to leave.
[Jean] He needs to know for himself, to understand everything, and what happened to me so long ago.
I think it will put everything in perspective for him.
He will know that I didn't do it lightly.
Jean has chosen to meet Robert at a local park just outside Brisbane.
Hi, Bob.
[sobbing] [Robert] It's okay.
It's okay.
Let's go and sit down, please.
Yes, we should.
[Robert] Are you okay?
It doesn't seem real, does it?
[laughs] No, it doesn't.
You okay?
[Robert] Yeah.
I am now.
I've waited 50 years to hold somebody like that.
[laughs] All I wanted and... all I wanted was to say that I was okay and I did all right.
Must have been very hard at first.
Well, I didn't know anything when I was young, obviously, 'cause I didn't know.
Never knew anything.
My dad never talked about you, I know nothing.
Do you want me to tell you why I actually left, what happened, or would you rather leave that till later?
It depends on how you could cope with it.
I want you to tell me whatever you want to tell me.
[Jean] I was in absolute terror.
He just had no control over himself whatsoever.
[Jean] It was difficult to tell him what had happened, but it's good to get past it.
I feel that the pain and everything I had is slowly starting to ebb.
I don't need it anymore.
I can really let go.
The joy and the pleasure of today and the excitement, everything is mixed with what she went through, and I think leaving me was the most difficult thing she'd probably ever done in her life.
I think also it's one of the bravest things that she did, and I certainly, I certainly understand that.
I... [sighs] Incredibly brave thing to do.
And she's also had to live with that for all those years as well, so incredibly painful for her.
The future is now what we can make it.
We've been searching on behalf of twin sisters Gail and Juliet, who are desperate to find their younger brothers.
When the sisters were four, their mother gave birth to twin boys, who she gave up for adoption.
Rarely spoken about, Gail and Juliet only felt able to start looking for them once their mother had died.
I'm on my way to tell them that their brothers have been found.
-Hi, Juliet.
-Hello.
-How you doing, you all right?
-Fine.
Are you all right?
-Yeah, really good.
-Pleased to meet you.
Come in.
[Davina] Thanks.
I wanted to ask, how did your search start?
What made you actually actively take that first step?
[Gail] There were a number of things.
My mum had died and the secret no longer was hers.
It has been hard because there are people in the family that do believe that the search is being disloyal to her and to her memory and... How does that make you guys feel?
Well, I have to say I'm one of those, I do feel-- -Do you?
-Yes, I do.
I do feel the same way.
Because in a sense, of course, it's a disservice to her, simply because she was a very, very, very private person, but the thing is, I for myself, I want to know that they're okay.
I don't struggle with the loyalty to my mother in the same way.
-Why not?
-Because I really do believe she wants her boys found.
She wants them to be part of our family and to let them know that they were loved.
And it was a very tragic and sad decision that was made in their best interests, and I hope very much that that has worked out for them.
Well, you'll be able to find out because your brothers have been found.
-They've been found?
-Yeah.
Sorry, sorry.
Thank you, thank you.
They were adopted together.
They weren't separated.
-They are still called Michael and Paul.
-[Gail] No way.
That's the only thing she could give them.
-They had a good life.
-[Juliet] Good.
They had a really good adoption, they had very loving parents.
[Gail] Are they close?
They had sort of not spoken to each other for a while.
Your search brought them together.
[Juliet] I didn't think about something like that.
-So do they want to meet us?
-They really do.
Wow, we've got two brothers.
Would you like to see a picture?
[gasps] Yes, yes, please.
Oh, God.
Oh, wow.
[Juliet] Oh, look at them, they look happy.
[Gail] They're like us, they are so not alike.
[Davina] Well, that's the other funny thing.
Two sets of twins that are not alike at all.
Something reminds me of my mother, and it's making me... you know... Do either of them remind you of your dad?
Michael looks like my dad.
[Juliet] That's what I was thinking.
[Davina] They've written you a card.
[Gail] "To our sisters."
"Dear sisters, well, not quite sure where to start.
We both were keen to meet you and have felt a protective... ...kind of paternal bond.
Is this natural?
We don't know.
We never had other siblings, so no big sisters to keep us out of trouble.
We're kind of nervous and a little scared too.
We hope to get to know you, be a proper family and make up for so much lost time.
With love, your brothers, Paul and Michael."
[Juliet] Thank you.
Oooh.
Thank you.
[Davina] For nearly 40 years, twin sisters Gail and Juliet have lived with the knowledge that they have younger twin brothers.
Today, they'll meet them for the first time.
It's the strangest thing that we're actually going to see them.
-I know, I know.
-Life won't be the same again.
For the better, it won't be the same again.
Thank you, see you in a minute.
-How are you doing?
-Really well.
-Hi.
-Oh!
It's lovely to see you.
[Davina] The boys are on their way so we should get going.
-Okay.
-[Davina] Have you slept?
-At all?
-[both] No.
Their brothers, Michael and Paul, are travelling to East Dulwich in South London.
Gail and Juliet want to meet them at a local pub, round the corner from the hospital where all four of them were born.
-Hello, Nicky.
-[Nicky] Here we are.
-How you doing?
Good to see you.
-All right.
How are you?
-Very well, thanks, very well.
-How you doing?
-Nice to see you.
-You looking forward to it?
Yeah, well, yeah.
[Nicky] The fact that you're meeting twins who are sisters, that's amazing.
Really haven't got any idea what they are like, you know.
They'll be pretty much like us, shouldn't they?
Don't know.
[Davina] Have you been nervous?
[Gail] Yes.
Very nervous, very nervous.
I think it's the waiting to meet them, it's that, they're the things that go around in my head, because I am so thrilled and excited to be meeting them.
You can't even explain to someone how huge finding our twin brothers actually is for us.
-Thank you very much.
-This is it.
-Thanks, Nicky.
-All right.
Cheers, see you later.
-[Michael] You nervous?
-[Paul] I'm nervous.
-Yeah.
-Very, very nervous.
-[Michael] Know what you're going to say to them?
-[Paul] No.
-What about you?
-[Michael] Exactly the same.
I don't know what to expect, really.
Your brothers are waiting for you in that pub.
Thank you.
Thank you for everything.
[sighs] -Hello.
-Hiya.
[Paul] Hi.
Who do I grab first?
Hi, Paul.
-Hello, hello.
-[Paul] Gail?
Yeah.
How are you?
-Pleased to meet you.
-You look so like our dad.
-Do I?
-Yeah.
Bless you.
You all right?
-Emotional.
-Come here.
Sit down.
Thank you.
Just wanted to tell you how much our mum did love you, and it broke her heart.
It was something that she carried with her her whole life.
She spoke about you very, very rarely, but obviously as an adult, I realized why, because she simply couldn't go there.
When we heard what she'd gone through, you know, it was quite upsetting, that was, to see that she really struggled with it.
And you feel sort of guilty, the fact that you haven't given it... -No, you shouldn't.
-...sort of an awful lot of... No, you shouldn't feel guilty, because that means you had an okay, happy-- you were happy.
[Michael] We had a brilliant childhood.
[Gail] And that's what she would have wanted.
Once she died, instead of you being her twins, you became our brothers.
The thing that really blew me away was that you're still called Michael and Paul, 'cause I didn't for a second think that you would still be the names that our mum gave you.
[Gail] Michael looks like his father and Paul looks like our mum.
They look like our parents, and it's absolutely mind blowing.
-[Gail] Twins twice.
-Yeah, how does that happen?
-I guess it's pretty uncommon.
-[Gail] Yeah.
I've never heard of it, ever.
It's just the weirdest, maddest thing.
They're like a female version of us, they are like chalk and cheese, I think, and yeah, they're lovely, aren't they?
Juliet was born first, ten minutes ahead of me, and she always says I pushed her out.
No, that's what she said, she said, "For God's sakes, make a decision, get out."
We thought we could trade twins, actually.
[Paul] They're lovely people.
I'm sure we're going to go on and have a full relationship with them and all their families.
I'm sure that's going to be the case.
It just felt so natural, meeting them.
[Juliet] A couple of really nice blokes, and they're my brothers and that's fantastic.
[Davina] Next time on "Long Lost Family"... a mother haunted by a decision she took over 50 years ago.
[woman] I think I'm looking for forgiveness.
I need him to forgive me, then maybe I can forgive myself.
And a brother desperate to solve the mystery of what happened to his baby sister.
[man] She's out there somewhere.
Until I find her and hold her and cuddle her, she'll always be a myth.
[peaceful music playing]
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