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♪ Amanda: Well good evening, and welcome to Making It Grow.

We're so glad that you can join us tonight.

I'm Amanda McNulty.

And I'm a Clemson and horticulture agent.

And I get to come over here and do continuing education every week.

It's just the most wonderful thing in the world because we have great guests and tonight is no exception.

And tonight, we're also have some special things for you.

We're going to learn about the fall plant and flower festivals that are going on at farmer's markets around the state.

And we're going to learn from an arborist about ways to have your trees properly pruned that will dramatically reduced the likelihood of severe damage during hurricanes.

So how about that?

Uhm Terasa Lott is in charge of the master gardeners.

And uhm Terasa, you've got a conference coming up.

And I'm looking forward and it looks like you've got to being there.

Thank you for including me.

Sounds like you've got some wonderful speakers.

Terasa: I think we do have a great lineup of speakers that Keith Briley the state botanist with South Carolina DNR is our keynote, and I'm sure everyone will be excited to learn from you about Rice culture in South Carolina.

Amanda: Well, I said that I would cook some rice and I teach them how to cook rice.

No one knows how to cook rice properly.

I'm sure I did not except for a few people from South Carolina.

So when we finish they'll all know.

How about that?

<Yeah, sounds good.> Amanda: It's fun.

And then Cory Tanner is the head of the horticulture team.

And you've been a very good leader And you've been understanding and kind and encouraging and took us through a hard time, Cory.

Thank you.

Cory: Thank you for saying that.

Amanda.

It's my pleasure.

I enjoy it and glad I can be helped to the team.

Amanda: He's also the father of precious darling Emily, who's Emma and Lee, and is now in the third grade.

And when I met her she was three or four years old.

<That's right.> And she's really is first for an only child and you've done a pretty darn good job.

You've done a great job.

And Jackie Jordan has two boys who are just all grown up now.

Jackie is a horticulture agent in Richland Kershaw and Fairfield, and um, you have one of them.

It's a big golfer.

Yeah.

And the other one is has won all these shooting competitions.

Jackie Jordan: Yes, he did shooting sports in high school.

But yeah, now they're both in college.

Isn't that Amanda: something?

Gosh, they were young kids going to Cardinal Newman.

I think when I first met them yeah, you've done a good job.

<Thank you.> In all aspects of your life.

And then Bill Guess is now the manager at what used to be Woodleys but it's now called BB barns.

And you are at the north east.

Camp.

Y'all have two locations?

Bill: Correct we have Northeast and Irmo.

Northeastern by based out of the Northeast, location.

Amanda: okay.

Okay.

And I just say you, you do fun things.

You had such a varied career, and you make yard art.

One of your favorite things is bow, tell me what you do at the bowling balls, Bill: I put giant nails in them like big Nine Inch Nails and they become sort of spheres bigger than they are.

They're a little intimidating but fun in the garden.

Amanda: So you could put one where if somebody was cutting through your yard, you could put one there and maybe it would encourage them to take a different but they said but do you paint the bowling balls too?

Bill: No they're already colored?

So pick out a blue one or a green one or something?

Amanda: I can't wait to see them.

You said maybe you'd bring somebody in and show how certainly try that'd be fun.

Thank you so much for joining us today and bringing an array of the beautiful plants that y'all have.

Oh, yeah.

And I think if you're up to speed on employees, because so if someone comes, they will know that they'll have great people ready to help them.

Right.

<Absolutely.> That's that's important because a lot of people have had a hard time getting getting help.

Yeah, I think working for you is probably why they decided to come.

Bill: I'd like to think so.

But yeah, well, I would like Amanda: to work for you.

How about that?

And then let's see where we are now.

Oh, Terasa always has this wonderful Gardens Of The Week for us.

Terasa: Yes, Amanda.

The gardens of the Week has become such a fun segment where we get to take a peek at what you're doing in your yards and gardens.

We're going to begin today with Glen Parker, who shared the underside of a black swallowtail.

So that's a view that we don't always get to see.

From Becky Rich, the sentimental blue balloon flower.

Peter Anders has shared an umbrella plant a member of the Cypher ACe family.

From Lacey Wilder, we have an Eastern Tiger Swallowtail perched atop Lantana.

And we wrap up with a pot of elephant ears and caladiums shared by Murreline Jeffcoat.

Thanks everyone for sharing a little snippet of your yard or garden with all of our viewers here at Making It Grow.

Amanda: The elephant ears in caladiums.

That's a nice combination.

I really love to see the things that people put together.

And you get what is it synergy when the two is more than the whole sometimes.

Yeah.

Thanks, Terasa.

And thanks to the people who send them in as well.

<Absolutely.> Well, Terasa, is there a question we might be able to help someone with?

Terasa: I think so.

We have a question from Molly in Liberty, who said I have these bugs on my late season tomatoes, peppers, and okra just showed up a few weeks ago.

What are they and should I be concerned and she shared some photos with us.

Amanda: Oh, well, you know, in the fall sometimes we get a fall crop of tomatoes after we didn't have any eggs all summer.

It sure seems ashame them all covered up with these unidentified insects.

Can you identify them and give us some tips, please?

Cory: Yes, ma'am.

So I'm familiar with these because I have a problem with them in my own garden.

But it's a fairly new pest to South Carolina only about a decade what, what Molly has here are brown marmorated stink bugs.

Amanda: Oh,those horrid, horrid stink bugs.

Cory: And you know as my understanding they're problematic in the upstate but they're somewhat less common throughout the rest of South Carolina.

But they are there's a lot of stinkbugs but this is one that is not native to South Carolina and it first arrived here in around 2011 I believe.

And it is a fruit feeder.

So it's a problem on it is a fruit fruiting vegetable.

So she mentioned tomatoes, peppers and okra.

They'll call spotting on the fruit sometimes cracking deformities of like okra if sometimes you'll see the okra pods or kind of curl or and it can be very problematic.

But this past is actually get has a triple whammy.

One is not native.

Number two doesn't have any natural predators or maybe natural predators.

It's a pest of fruiting vegetables and fruits, it can be a problem on fruit, like fruit trees, traditional fruits.

And it also is a home invader in the fall.

So most of our other stink bugs that are pests in the garden, they don't really become a household pest, but this one in the winter time or in the fall will migrate into homes.

And so people may have seen these stinkbugs in their homes, particularly their attics, and during the wintertime.

Amanda: Well, you know, my house is just an open sieve to anything, but even people who have more a house that was built later than 1880 have.

And if you you can't go and pick them off because they give this horrible smell to your hand.

So you need a little vacuum hose.

And then I guess you have to take them outside or they're just crawl back out of the hose.

Cory: That's right.

You can collect them you know, like you say vacuum, or but you don't want to go into your vacuum cleaner because of the smell or stink bug.

I usually just try to catch them and then you know, move them outside to get rid of them.

Amanda: We really don't have good pesticide control that homeowners are allowed to use anymore for stink bugs, if I'm not mistaken Cory: Stink bugs and their relatives and other major pest and vegetable gardens or the leaf footed bugs, which is kind of it's related to stink bugs, but they're they're not stink bugs.

Those pests are very difficult to control in the garden.

There aren't many there aren't many treatment options, pyrethroids that class of insecticides.

Pyrethrins is the organic version will kill on particularly in the nymphal stage, but usually by the time people notice them there are too high of a population.

So I will some of them like leave food and bones will aggregate and I'll take like a cup of soapy water and go out there and knock them off.

I just have a few plants into that soapy water.

Amanda: It seems like that the leaf footed bugs when they first emerge are clustered together.

<They do.> And I just if I'm being careful enough, I just got then pinch them off.

I mean, because yeah, I mean, because they're, I guess the the eggs must be laid together.

And so and they seem to congregate.

And so that's, which is a good reason for to scout.

Yeah.

But I have a place in town where I get okra.

And last year, towards the end of the season, Terasa, they couldn't even get okra.

The stinkbug predation was so bad that all the okra was.

And I think if they get enough, it gives it a bad flavor as well.

So I mean, yeah, it's true problem.

I guess somebody's working on something.

Cory: But that's right.

When in grape growing regions, Brown marmorated stink bugs are really bad, because we'll get into grape clusters.

And they're harvested with the grapes and crushed it can give the wine an off flavor, or the juice an off flavor.

So yeah, there's a lot of work, particularly in the Northeast being done for management options, but in the home garden, that's kind of limited.

Amanda: Well, I'm sorry that they had this problem.

And it's just and I've been, I think some years just worse than other lessons, at least.

Cory: They're bad this year more so than the last couple of years.

You've seen a lot more on them.

So people can expect to find them coming into their homes later this fall if they're not already a problem in their garden.

Amanda: Okay.

Well, and uhm, go caulk your windows if you have a house.

That's possible to do in.

Amanda: Oh, Terasa, who else can you try to help?

<Terasa>: Lee in Hopkins, South Carolina is hoping for some help with an identification.

I have a weed that came up in my yard.

It reminds me of poinsettia that is common during the holidays.

Are they related?

And we have some pictures of the weed Amanda: as well?

Oh, when if you see it, you've got to get it up quick because it'll sure seed down.

Amanda: Tell us what it is.

And I think it is looks just like a poinsettia.

<It does> Jackie Jordan: It does, those leaves have that shape.

It is a wild poinsettia.

It's in that euphoria family, it's a North American Native.

But it is a summer annual weed and it will produce tons of seeds over 4000 seeds per plant.

Amanda: So no wonder it's such a problem.

<So pull it up.> Jackie Jordan: And that's actually the best way to get control of it is just to hand pull them.

<Well, they're> Amanda: so easy to recognize too.

Don't you think they're not like right now?

You know, they usually they'll stand up pretty nicely for you.

Jackie Jordan: it's actually fairly interesting because some of the cut flower growers are using it as foliage filler for their arrangements.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Amanda: Well, you know, it's true, you know.

Jackie Jordan: if that little flash of orange at the leaves is pretty <Yes, yeah.> Amanda: Yeah.

And you've got some, you've got some flower farmers with whom you're associated.

And we appreciate it because you we did a filming with one and that'll be something that'll be coming up in the future.

<Oh yeah.> Delightful people.

Thank you so much for that.

Okay, Bill.

I mean, yeah, you have a whole nursery to go and pick from and so I know everything's gonna be fun.

But what are we going to start with Bill: The perennial Gloxinia is gonna be a flash of red in the shade.

He will come back every year.

<In the shade?> In the shade.

And if you have that little corner, that side of the house that sort of protected he'll be really happy in there and blooms late summer through frost comes around.

It will die back down to the ground and then come back out.

<Okay.> But just remember where it was where it was put something else but just such a nice bright color for that shady area?

Amanda: Gosh, it is just beautiful, beautiful.

The inside is worth picking off because it'd be too hard to get down on the ground and look up in it.

And it's got so many flowers that is perfectly if and the foliage has a very nice texture.

Don't you think?

Bill>>: It does, it's ribbed?

And then these flowers are just the right size for a bee to squeeze up in there and <Really?> and then pop back out.

Amanda: Terasa.

I see you nodding so Terasa knows all about pollinators and what they like, but that would be fun.

That'd be that would be a tight fit for a little bee but um, but well worth it to get in there and get with all that.

<Absolutely.> Yeah, well that is perfectly beauiful and it's not hard to once it gets going.

It's not doesn't require a lot of extra care.

<Just putting> Bill: it in the right spot is what it really wants.

But once it's there, he'll do quite well.

Amanda: And I guess if you wanted to Bill, you could raise it up, put it in a container and maybe catch your eye a little more in that shady area.

Bill: As long as that container has good drainage, you should be fine.

Okay, yeah.

They don't really want to be sitting in water.

Amanda: Well, we should all be careful about drainage.

Especially with the, I mean, after such a dearth of we didn't get rain and then we got so much rain.

It looks like the whole world has turned into a fungus fungus recently doesn't it?

Bill: Absolutely.

There's a little bit of white on many things.

Amanda: Okay.

Thank you so much, perfectly beautiful.

Amanda: Well Terasa some people have managed to go through the no rain and the too much rain and the mosquitoes which have just been horrendous.

And I'm actually have a whole yard that looks pretty, and that's called a spotlight garden.

We have somebody who fit that category this time?

Terasa: We do our spotlight is coming today from Santuc, South Carolina, which I understand is a unincorporated town in Union County.

And these were sent in from Caroline Moss.

Caroline, reports that she and her fiance love watching making it grow and have learned so many things when tuning in.

They say the show inspires them to never stop planting.

The first picture we see is an old well house that they decorate with new flowers each year.

And as you can see, the Zinnias are quite popular with the Eastern Tiger Swallowtail our state butterfly.

The second picture is to baby birds that they were able to watch until they were big enough to fly away and she reports they had four bluebird families to raise babies.

This nesting is exciting isn't that wonderful?

Next we see some muscadine vines that are loaded with fruit and she says they are delicious when ripe?

They're yellow Sun Sprite Rose is the most fragrant flower in that well house garden.

And we wrap up with a picture of their chickens eating freshly picked cantaloupe from their melon patch how funny that they're feeding fresh cantaloupe to the to the chickens right from their garden.

Amanda: Well, those are very fortunate chickens.

Terasa: They are indeed.

Thanks, Caroline.

It was lovely to see that snippet of what you and your fiance are doing in your yard.

Amanda: And Bill, you told me that you're beginning to get in some violas now.

And um, when we were at River Bank Zoo.

They go out and pick pansies and take them related to the viola and feed them to the big turtles.

What are the big turtles Teresa?

<Galapagos?> Amanda: Yeah, yeah, they love to in that funniest thing.

How in the world they figured that out?

Bill: Well, they're very edible.

And we used to have volunteers that would bring us pound cake with those flowers.

Amanda: Yeah, that kind of fun to do.

Yeah, that's, that's an art.

We'll have to... Terasa let's find somebody who knows how to preserve how to how to sugar up the violas and have them on the show some Terasa: time then yeah, and put them on a cake and delicious cake.

Amanda: and we'll expect you to bring the cake.

Terasa is a marvelous Baker, you just can't imagine.

We were so fortunate.

The other day, we met a lovely gentleman who is working with the South Carolina Department of Agriculture.

And one of those exciting things that people love to do is the plant and flower festival.

And it's coming up and we're going to tell you all about it.

Amanda: I'm speaking with Bob Sager and Bob is the director of the State farmers markets for the South Carolina Department of Agriculture.

And we are so glad that you can join us today.

Bob: Well, it's a pleasure to be here Amanda.

Amanda: And there's lots of things happening at the farmers markets.

And there are two times of the year when gardeners get real excited about going out there.

So let's talk about what's coming up.

Bob: Oh, there sure is.

I mean, we have a couple of plain flower festivals coming up.

And there's three of them in the state this year.

And they're semiannual events.

And like you said people really get excited because it's a great opportunity to come out and see some wonderful plants at our markets.

Amanda: And I'm always interested native plants and they're always people who are specializing and offering those.

And then there are people who specialize in offering even carnivorous plants, I mean, winter annuals to put in your garden of food this time of year.

And then perennials fall is the best time to plant as we all know, everybody thinks a spring but fall is the best time to plant.

You have so many vendors out there offering such a huge variety of plant material.

Bob: Oh, we really do.

And we do have vendors there year round but also for these festivals.

I mean, we usually have six to eight, sometimes as many as 10 other vendors that come in just for the event.

And like you said they bring into all different types of plants.

So that's what makes it special.

Amanda: And then you have people who are artistic and they are they're offering their wares sometimes that it's things for your house, sometimes it's garden art and other items as well.

Bob: Well He found that the arts and crafts part of this world is really something is really kind of ties in very well with earthy things and plants.

And we always have arts and crafts vendors, and there's certain ones that come in just for the event.

A lot of handmade things, you know, birdhouses all kinds of furniture, things of that sort.

So it's a pretty interesting event that you can see a lot of different things.

Amanda: So regardless of what you need for your yard, or garden, there's probably something there that's going to tempt you, I would think, Bob: well, I would hope so that's, that's the kind of the ideas we have to you're tempted to at least, to try something new, perhaps.

Amanda: And if you're hungry, they're usually food trucks there, which is always fun.

Bob: But you know, we don't travel well without food in this country.

So we always have some food vendors available and to the market, some amount of restaurants too so can be a you can make a day of it really, and a lot of ways.

Amanda: And I think there's a lot of produce being offered as well.

Bob: Absolutely.

Yeah, South Carolina produce is something we offer year round.

And certainly at this time of the year, there's certain things that we have that are fresh and available and it'd be happy to show you what we do have.

Amanda: And if you have a basket of your own a little wagon, you can take it but at most of them, I believe they have wagons that you can use because nobody can carry that many bags.

So you always end up with more stuff than you need.

Bob: Right?

Well, yeah, we are fortunate we have a good organization that comes in and they do have some wagons that you can get.

And we see people filling it up.

Sometimes people make more than one trip to the car.

It's very helpful.

Because you like you said yes, some of the plants and so forth can be a little heavier and hard to manage but we try to make it as easy as possible for people to select what they need.

Amanda: What would you tell us the dates and location of the ones that are coming up, please?

Bob: Well the first one actually takes place in Greenville state Farmers Market in Greenville, South Rutherford Road right there in Greenville.

It's kind of a urban type market, and their market is gonna be the 23 rd and 24 th.

It's a Friday and Saturday event of September.

Yes.

And then the next one will be our PD state Farmers Market in Florence.

It starts on Friday, September the 30 th.

And runs Saturday, Sunday, October 1st And 2nd.

<Okay.> And then the last one this year will be our state market in Colombia.

And that one is runs from Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and October 7 eighth and ninth.

Amanda: My goodness.

And I know there are always people from the Agriculture Department there.

But Clemson Extension and Master Gardeners I think are there to help people if so that when they get their plants, home they can have success with them.

Is that right?

Bob: Well, I think that's an important part of it.

You know, because I think we all see these wonderful plants.

And we always, you know, people joke about, well, I know how to kill a plant?

Well, I think it's really a great benefit to have people there from our master gardeners and from the Clemson Extension people to really show people how to take care of them.

And so it makes it more of an investment than just some whim that you're going to maybe not enjoy.

We want you to enjoy these plants.

That's what it's about.

Amanda: We used to always get our Christmas trees out at the farmers market.

I think that there are things that are happening there frequently more frequently than people might think, Bob: well, there is a lot of events that we do have, and we're going to be having more and more events, we want people to become familiar in the market.

So we have to offer and you know, one of the things you mentioned with fall, I can guarantee you that we're going to have the largest selection of pumpkins?

<Of course, you will.> I have no question.

I mean, you're just to be amazed at the amount of pumpkins, and sometimes you wonder where they all came from.

But you're gonna see a big, big selection of pumpkins of all sizes and shapes.

Amanda: That came from a pumpkin guy.

And so if people want to, more know more than just these three events, is there a place where you can find out what's happening?

Bob: Yeah, we have a web site, all three markets have web sites.

And we all still have a Face book page or a social media page, which lists our events and tells what's going to be going on at the market at any given time.

And like I said, there's always something going on at the market.

And we try and keep those updated to with what's new and what's fresh.

Because we want to be also known for fresh produce as well.

Amanda: Well, not nothing special.

Nothing finer.

Right?

<That's right.> Well, thank you so much for coming.

And I hope that we'll see lots of friendly faces at these markets.

Bob: I hope to see you there some day.

Amanda: Thank you so much.

I'm sure I'll come up.

Bob: It's been a pleasure.

Thanks for having us today.

Amanda: Thank you for all you're doing.

Bob: I appreciate it.

Amanda:I want to thank Bob Sager for coming and for telling us that there are all kinds of things going on at the farmers market.

Even it's not the plant flower festival.

And um, I've got a little wagon Teresa that folds up that I keep in the back of my car.

And um, so I always take that but generally they have wagons that you can use when you're there there is everything is done to be so thoughtful and make it easy and fun for you to come.

I hope you'll go.

Well it is that time of year when the roadsides are yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow.

And so Goldenrod has a heavy pollen and does not make you sneeze Oh Um, or make your nose run or any that kind of stuff.

So I got some of that and then my dear friend Ann Nulty bless Anns Heart because she has such a fabulous garden gave me some dahlias.

She's just had wonderful luck with dahlias this year.

And she also had this very unusual trader scanthia.

I thought the... Terasa: What a pretty leaf, variegations gorgous.

Amanda: I mean, it's pretty anyway, but I thought this color was was extremely nice.

So um, so yet another hat, but a little more like normal hats than some of the ones we've had lately.

We had a hat, made out of dottter.

That was really peculiar.

Alrighty, so Terasa.

Where are we going next?

Terasa: I think Cory bought, brought in a assortment of Ag and farm equipment or implements, I guess we might say.

Amanda: And I think these have some historical interest, particularly for your family.

Is that right, Cory?

Cory: That's right, Amanda, I brought in several agricultural relics.

Family heirlooms, if you will, my grandparents passed last year.

And of course, like so many in the south, their parents were farmers.

So they grew up on farms.

And, you know, and cleaning out my grandfather's garden, shed found several implements that I thought might be of interest to viewers out there related to cotton production, which of course, you know, once upon a time, cotton was king.

And so, you know, I'm holding in my hand here, what's known as a P-SCALE, or sometimes people call it a cotton scale.

You know, obviously, when you were growing cotton on the farm, it was sold by the pound.

And so workers were paid by the pound and so you needed an implement on the farm to weigh cotton.

And so you would hang the whatever the basket or or whatever the cotton had been picked in, harvested in and you would hang it on this bottom hook.

And you have a traditional scale.

I'm sure you can't see it on air, but the different markings denoting poundage, and of course, like old fashioned scale, do they had a weight Aha, that, you know, you wish you would use that would indicate when it was level?

Ah, how much to see how much it weighed.

So you could weigh anything on this really cotton, tobacco, various other produce on the farm, that sort of thing.

But what was really interesting is my grandfather had his father's cotton planter.

Oh, before we move to that.

Amanda: Bill I think do you had something to say about the scale?

Bill: I was just amazed to growing up we had one in our house also.

And how heavy things you could weigh on it.

We had it hanging out of the tree in the backyard and you would pull on it and it wouldn't even move?

No.

I mean, mine had a little bit bigger weight.

So I guess there's longer and bigger ones, depending on what weight you're trying to weigh.

But ours was a little bigger.

And it it was kind of neat to see.

Do you know what happened to it?

It's at my mom's house.

Oh, great.

That's Yep.

Amanda: Well, Cory, just imagine.

I mean, I stop and get cotton sometimes for my hat.

I mean, it doesn't weigh anything.

What people had to do to pick up enough cotton to be paid what... Cory: Exactly?

Yeah, yeah.

My grandfather always said he had to move off the farm and find another job because he was no good at picking cotton.

You ended up with a very long career with the railroad.

Amanda: Oh, my goodness.

And then you said no, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

<No, no, no, that's> Cory: great.

Well, you know, go along with the we're kind of out of order here as far as the process of growing cotton, but we have the big split of basket down there a cotton pickers basket, which was also in the family.

And that's where, you know, people would actually pick the cotton into a basket like that and so honored to still have that.

Very nice old antique basket.

And then the other implement is in very rough shape.

But it is a one row, mule pulled cotton planter.

And this one's really interesting.

I had to look into it.

It's it's like so many farm implements pieces had been robbed off of it over the years, it would have had handles and the wheel was wooden wood.

Yes.

Wow.

Yeah.

Basically, and half of its rod rotted where it set on the ground at sometime in the past, and it has this really heavy cast iron plow on the front.

Wow.

But this would have been pulled on you.

<Yes.> And so you can imagine you were talking about all the work to pick cotton.

Can you imagine planting 20 30 40 acres of cotton, one row at a time?

Yes, behind a mule.

Amanda: Who may or may not have been cooperative.

Cory: That's right.

And so you know, today the cotton planters, maybe 24 rows at a time pulled behind a big tractor, but this one was patented by man and Laurinburg North Carolina in 1878 is the patent number that's on that metal plate there.

His name was James... James lint... Lytch, L Y T C H, which is somewhat unusual Yes, name, but he patented this.

And evidently it was a very popular planter.

And throughout the south and across the US.

Amanda: You said it was apparently difficult to get the cotton seed position just right in the soil, maybe and you thought perhaps because the lint was on it and then it was an odd shape.

Cory: I don't, I don't understand all the challenges.

But if you read some of the patent documentation, they talked about the difficulty in seeding cotton because of its the seeds, unusual shape, but also if you think about it, it's inside that lint of the cotton and if you don't get that off, it's kind of stapled on.

There's a little device in there.

Again, I've never seen this operate not sure how it worked exactly, but it kind of agitates the seeds so that it will drop into the row.

So just some neat history and honored to be able to share a little bit about it.

Amanda: Well, I'm so good.

I know you're gonna take good care of when the basket to be in that condition is pretty good.

Yeah.

And the and the fact that it had a wooden wheel that was probably just made out of a log.

<That's right.> Yeah.

And it was round and that was all you needed.

Okay, that was really thoughtful.

So what was your so this was your grandfather's father?

Cory: Yes, on my mom's your mom's Ralph.

And Elsie Presley are my grandparents and they lived in Union County, North Carolina.

So just barely in North Carolina and the Winget area, just a little bit north of Pageland.

Amanda: Okay.

Okay.

Well, I want to thank you so much for going to the trouble of bringing those down.

And I know that that was heavy, because so you carry it in.

Yes.

Cory: It's very heavy.

That plow on the bottom is cast solid cast iron, quite heavy.

Amanda: But those mules make..

They were up to the task.

Okay, Terasa, what's next?

Terasa: Oh, I feel sad for Jill in Casey, she says my roses have all kinds of strange symptoms like thick stems and excessive thorns.

What is going on?

And is there anything I can do?

Amanda: Jackie, you've learned to live with the sadness.

Jackie Jordan: Yeah, sadly, there's nothing you can do.

Unfortunately, it's the virus called rose rosette.

And once the plant gets it, it's got it.

There's no treatment for it.

You have to dig up the entire plant, root system and all and remove it.

Amanda: Don't just put it in the compost that you know Jackie Jordan: you want to put it in a bag and remove it or if you can burn it, but just put it in a bag and remove it and get the entire root system out.

Amanda: Well, it's got kind of an interesting way it spread because it's some kind of that it's not an insect.

It's a invertebrate but it's spread by the wind moves the invertebrate around rather?

Jackie Jordan: Eriophyid mites I think.

<Mites?> Yeah, they're a little tiny mites.

They crawl around so they can crawl from rosebush to rosebush.

But they're so small that they can also blow on the wind.

So they're blown around.

And unfortunately, we've seen a huge, tremendous rise in popularity with things like knockout roses, and they're being planted in landscapes in shopping centers.

And so, that's one of the reasons why we're seeing it.

I mean, it's been around for over 40 years.

Amanda: So Many host for it.

<It's been around for over 40 years, but it's.> Jackie Jordan: really starting to explode.

And in our area, I've seen it a lot more.

Amanda: And I believe that down in Texas, they're doing some work on some roses.

Jackie Jordan: They are they're looking to see if there's some that they can build some resistance into.

Amanda: It would be wonderful, wouldn't it?

Yeah, I hate to have a life without roses.

<The good> Jackie Jordan: news is that it does not survive in the soil.

So you could come back after a while if you got all the roots if you got all the roots out.

But you know, Amanda: Or move to another part.

Thank you so much.

Okay, Bill, what do we have now?

Bill: We have a couple varieties of Liz Makia.

This is REO or creeping Jenny.

If you're a gardener, you've probably seen this in a hanging basket or in a container.

This is the spiller.

<And I've seen> Amanda: it if people had a area under a tree that was kind of shady.

Bill: Absolutely or a pond it says really great around the rocks on a pond it's Creeping Jenny so it will creep around.

It usually will stay somewhat evergreen it can frost out a little bit and have some burn and with some frost Amanda: now does it likes.

I think it likes a shady or Bill: somewhat shady some protection from the afternoon sun is very helpful.

Sometimes when you grow it under a bush, it will grow just far enough till it gets out into the sun and kind of self prune itself.

But this is very sad news speech umbrella, it definitely a every little part that pokes out gets burned.

But this, we've seen this for a long time.

But what I like now are some of these newer varieties.

This is called a sandy springs, it's a little bit bigger, it will take a little bit more sun, and it blooms.

This is another one this is called walkabout sunset.

And I've tried to show that when you can see the blooms on that really pretty.

You want to give it a little bit of sun so that it blooms well but not so much sun that it burns but it will take a fair amount of sun almost up to full sign goodness.

And when it's blooming and bloom sporadically but we get a heavy sort of spring bloom on it.

And another fall bloom on it, so this one won't bloom.

This one has a nice big bloom on it has a great come it's hard to beat this this color, we contrast that with so many things and going into fall this with some purple, purple bowel is or purple pansies or purple kale, cabbages, those kind of things looks really great.

Yeah.

Amanda: Okay.

And, um, and these can take a little more sun, I believe, a Bill>>: little more sun.

And the bloom so we were going from something that you don't get a bloom on to.

Amanda: Okay, lovely.

Perhaps this is a little more hearty.

I mean, they're both gonna come back.

I mean, then once you got them, you got them, right.

But this one might have a little less freeze damage if we got some kind of horrible freeze, which we may or may never have.

I haven't Bill: seen too much that hurts this.

Okay, this one.

Okay.

Okay.

Amanda: Terasa, do we have something else?

Terasa: Well, we probably can find something else.

We had someone to write in from Fort Mill area.

Kathleen, she said a number of maples in Fort Mill Indian land are already turning red.

And that was in August.

Is there a reason?

Amanda: Cory?

Do you have any idea what's happening?

Cory: Well, so leaf pigments when which when the leaves change color and the fall, you're seeing a change in the pigment.

Amanda: Sometimes because the Green is kind of disappearing.

And there's other colors are coming out.

<So you can> Cory: think of some of those pigments but non green pigments and leaves almost like sunscreen.

And so it's basically the plants way of protecting its leaves.

And when we have early fall foliage change that usually indicates some sort of stress.

So when you have deciduous trees that the foliage changes colors in the summer, like in this case in August, that usually indicates that the plant is under some sort of stress and the pigment is a response to that stress.

And so it's hard to know exactly what's happening with this particular these particular maples, but it could be that they were planted incorrectly.

It couldn't be more short term and that it was a drought stress issue.

maples are pretty tolerant of water.

So it's probably red maples are pretty tolerant of water.

So it's probably not a flooding issue might be more related to drought or perhaps some sort of trunk damage or decay.

<I think> Amanda: Maples was about the worst tree, you could pick up the plant in the middle of the yard, unless you're going to take out a huge area and mulch it because they typically grow in the swamps and, you know, wetter areas.

And so I've noticed just driving back and forth, some that have shown a lot of stress.

And it's because I've got about this much pine straw around them.

and they're in the middle of the yard.

<Cory> We've really overused red maples as a landscape tree.

They're great and their place, but because they're pretty easy to grow there.

They've been used quite extensively <Amanda> at least Nyssa, which turns a gorgeous red.

You know, and keeps that red forever.

Nyssa, which is sylvatica, is that?

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just fabulous.

You know.

Okay, okay, okay.

Well, we have been told to expect hurricanes to be more frequent and more severe, and that they're going to stay in one place and the winds are going to be stronger, and Michael Murphy, who's an arborist who was in the Beaufort area, active for where they've had plenty of hurricanes start with, came on and gave us some, I thought extremely valuable information on ways to prune trees that are that will make them far more resilient to these winds that we're expecting to see.

I'm speaking with Michael Murphy and Michael is a board certified master arborist and from has been in the tree care business, I think for close to 50 years.

The last part of your career was spent in Beaufort with preservation tree care now taken about Bartlett, and they're continuing the good work there, but what is a board certified master arborist?

Micheal: So, the board certified master arborist is the next level of certification that you can get above being a certified arborist.

And there's only seven in the state of South Carolina, which I'm a little disappointed.

I'm very proud to be one.

But there should be more people should take the test.

<Amanda> Well, and I think all of us should go to certified master our certified arborist, before having anyone come to work on trees in our yard, because those people should be aware of the newest best practices.

But sadly, there are people out there in the tree care business, who are giving people the wrong information.

And I was particularly concerned about the we hear that we're going to have so many more hurricanes and stronger storms.

And gosh, I know in the low country, I can just imagine the devastation that you also have to hurricanes is bad enough in the middle of a state.

So what do we expect to happen with hurricanes?

What are y'all hearing now?

<Michael> Well, the pro-jections are not very good, and we know the weather is really affecting our daily lives, but Kim Coder from the University of Georgia Warnell School of Forestry tells us that there's going to be a six and a half percent, a six and a half degree increase in temperature by 2035, there's going to be 6% added to the wind loads from future hurricanes, storms are going to be moving 20% slower, and there's going to be 24% more rainfall.

And we can all attest to that.

And these are going to be larger, slower, wetter, more damaging storms.

And they're going to be in places that we really never had tropical storms and hurricanes before.

So it's going to be really important to keep our trees pruned properly, and the standards have changed.

So it's important for you to know as a homeowner, that the person that you're getting to prune your trees knows about the standards.

<Amanda> So as we said, it used to be that they would tell you to get the interior.

And it kind of makes sense.

Take all those interior little branches out and all because you'd think that they would, you know, catch more of the wind and all but you said that they've done some research and they had a wind machine that could simulate a hurricane.

And they put trees that had been pruned in different manners.

And then what did they find?

<Michael> So they found out and they found out that the more you pruned out of a tree, the more you took away this so called sale effect from the tree, the more hazardous the the tree would become, the more likely it would it would have storm damage.

And so they did the research and they prune the trees, different, different types of trees, they have this wind machine with this up down at the University of Florida it happened and they were able to slow the video down with the high definition of photography that we have these days.

And they found that the trees that were over pruned, were whipping around in the wind like a like a whip they were just flailing about, and then the the properly prune trees, they were almost dateless, they still had the wild, the interior branches, they were almost dancing, they were dampening.

And they were balancing each of the other limbs.

So all that interior crown turned out to be very important for the tree.

<Amanda> So one thing that I'm thinking is as the ground gets as the rain, we get more rain and it stays in a place longer, the ground is going to get soggier.

And so the tree is more likely to fall over <Michael> Correct.

So the less the tree moves the lesson it can move those roots out of out of the ground.

So this dampening process that that's created by the interior limbs is very, very important to keep in there.

<Amanda> So talk about how someone should come and look at your trees and what they should what they now should do according to the new standards.

<Michael> So the new standards promote more of this interior live wood retention and it's called the natural pruning system and former standards had talked about crown cleaning a lot.

So arborists I think got the idea that cleaning if cleaning is good, maybe more cleaning is better.

So these poor practices started to come kind of overtake the tree industry.

But with the new standards, they're telling us that we should have less than 20% of our live wood cutting should be on the interior of the tree, and 80%.

Or as much as 80% of the live wood cutting should be on the reduction of outside branches.

Because these trees, we need to make them structurally healthy.

We talked about having a healthy tree in our yard.

And we can't really physically make a tree healthier, but we can structurally make the tree healthier.

And by bringing in reducing elongated branches, and retaining as much of that interior growth as we can.

These trees are going to be stability to have healthy, stable structures.

And that's as much as we can do for a tree.

<Amanda> Well, I want to thank you so much for sharing this information with us because I know that trees are the backbone of our ecology in so many ways, the shade the value to wildlife, and then that if they do contact a certified arborist just got a certified arborist web site, you can find people in your area who have that training, and get in touch with them and have them come and help you with your trees.

<Michael> Well, I hope ...our listeners take your advice, and they'll they definitely will have stronger and safer trees.

<Amanda> Thank you so much for sharing this information.

<Michael> Well, thanks for having me today.

<Amanda> I want to thank Michael for coming in making that information understandable, and I hope that anyone who is concerned about their trees will be certain that they reach out to the Certified Master arborist.

Cory it's pretty easy to find that list.

<Cory> That's right.

So you know, we always recommend for tree work for people to hire International Society of Arboriculture certified arborist.

So, ISA is the acronym we use International Society of Arboriculture an easiest way to find them it's a really simple web site.

Trees are good.

<Cool.> Will find the international society that's our like consumer oriented.

Great information about tree care as well.

Okay, trees <Amanda> are good.

And I think if you just looked at certified arborists that'll even bring you to another way to get to that, but I love trees are good.

That's, well that's so much fun.

Thank you for telling me that.

Okay.

So I think you've got something else from BB Barns.

<Bill> I do.

<Amanda> in the northeast area that you've brought with us, and I had to go the doctor the other day and they were going to prick my finger.

I think they should just have this sitting there.

<Bill> This will draw blood, for sure.

Yeah, you definitely don't want to fall on this one.

This is an agave.

It's a J.C. Raulston agave.

We've probably seen, everybody's seen the giant century plant.

That's huge.

So the problem with them sometimes can be placement, and they get really, really big, and if you place them too close to your mailbox, you're going to have an issue later on when it reaches its full size.

<Amanda> People just have smaller yards.

<Bill> Absolutely.

The trend smaller spaces.

Not everybody has room for a, you know, eight foot round agave.

This is going to be more in the two foot range, much more manageable, but it definitely gives you that really unique look that you <Amanda> The color of this one is quite beautiful.

<Bill> blue green, very, very sharp.

But blue green rock garden, you know, any place with full sun, very drought tolerant, and just a neat look.

<Amanda> And I guess if you had a dog that chewed your plants, this one would dissuade him.

I'm <Bill> going to touch it.

Yeah, <Amanda> I'm having some issues with a puppy who's a year old now.

I think, Terasa , how long do they stay a puppy?

<Terasa> Well, you got an energetic breed on a bike.

And so I don't know, it might be a while.

<Amanda> So this goes in the sun.

And once you get it in the ground, it's going to take care of itself.

Once it's established, <Bill> pretty much after your first year, he should be fine and droughts not really going to be actually it will do its thing.

It will it's not going to be you know those century plants.

You can get 25 feet out of the bloom, but still going to be very interesting.

<Amanda> That's going to be so much fun to say.

Yeah, and it was developed by Mr. Ralston or it's got his... <Bill> Correct.

It's one that he picked out.

<Amanda> Thank you for bringing this.

<Bill> Absolutely.

<Amanda> I appreciate it.

Okay, Terasa, what's coming up?

<Terasa> This question comes in from Gary in Lexington, and he's hoping that we can help him.

He says he's got a Sago palm with a strange looking tan In structure in the center and is wondering if we have any idea what that might be.

<Amanda> Jackie, I'm so old, [laughs] <Amanda> that I remember when they never had reproductive structures on them because they froze every year, at least in the middle of a state, and has that changed.

and so if I'm not mistaken, the Sago palm is male and has has a male plant and a female plant.

Is that correct?

Jackie Jordan: They do.

And so the male Bloom is the speckled comb looking thing in the female reproductive part is this roundish giant puffball looking thing, but you can leave that in place because you will get seeds from it.

Oh, yeah.

So yeah, and just let it be.

It's perfectly fine.

Amanda: And a Sago palm is not really a palm and Cory.

I believe that they're very toxic to dogs that chew?

Cory: I believe that's correct.

Yes, it's a cycad, which is not a true Pol, and it's a very primitive plant the cycads are and they're more related to conifers like pine trees and that sort of thing.

Then they are true palms like our sable Palmetto.

But I do believe they are toxic, but I can't imagine why an animal would chew on them.

And they're spiny and Amanda: I've heard of Labrador Retrievers in small backyards in Charleston, and they ended up with enormous bill if you heard of this.

Emergency vets.

Jackie Jordan: It is one of those like several other popular ornamental plants that can be toxic to pets.

I mean, if people are Terasa: looking to ASPCA is a great resource for toxic versus non toxic plants.

So I'm just the ASPCA.

And indeed, I'm looking at it right now.

Sago palm is considered toxic to dogs, cats and horses causing things like vomiting hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, bruising, liver damage, liver failure, and potentially death.

So, Amanda: yeah, yeah.

You've got an energetic dog in a small backyard that says didn't do not put it in there.

Okay, I think you've got something.

We've just got a little bit of a minute or so.

But what a happy way to end the show.

So Bill: Black Eyed Susans there are so many black eyed Susans now this one's called little gold star.

And you can see he's blooming at such a small height, almost to ground cover.

Most, many of your traditional black eyed Susans will be tall, they can sometimes flop over.

So they've kind of kept bringing them down and down and down to those flowers just being so cute.

And you're not going to get that flop at this height.

Yeah.

Full side.

Average moistures drought tolerant.

Amanda: They'll see down will it come?

Or sometimes these little ones don't come back to Bill: I haven't had enough.

This is fairly new to me.

So I haven't had enough experience to know if this is going to see them, but probably Amanda: not a grouping would be so pretty and bright.

And they bloom and bloom and bloom don't.

Bill: Absolutely.

It'll bloom now through frost.

And we've even had one of our little plantings, we put this as a lower, and then coneflowers popping up out of it.

Oh, so get the Yeah, the contrast and color.

Yeah.

Amanda: And then.

So again, what's once established, they really are pretty carefree.

So if you have a kind of a hot, troublesome spot that you want to have brightened up with this be a good choice.

Bill: Absolutely.

If you have a mailbox you're trying to spruce up or just a hot area.

He's really going to do the job.

Amanda: Okay, okay.

Well, I think that was fun.

And y'all do have goodness, what a variety of things y'all have up there.

BB Barnes.

And where are you located?

Bill: We have a store on Two Notch and Irmo Yeah, okay.

Okay.

Amanda: And what days you open?

<We're open> Bill: Monday through Saturday from nine to six.

Okay.

Amanda: Thank you so much.

I really appreciate Cory It was fun having you back down with us come again.

Well, yeah, not just not just when you clean out this year, Jackie I hope the children are make straight A's this year or this year, or at least stay in school, which was always my hope and Terasa, I hope that your little mailbox area is doing well.

Terasa: Yes, I don't have anything planted around the bottom.

But of course my mailbox planter has a planter incorporated into it.

So it definitely needs something that can take the heat and dry.

Amanda: Okay.

Well, I want to thank all of y'all for joining us tonight and we hope we'll see you next week right here on Making It Grow.

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