My first gig was working for Rolling Stone Magazine.

They had a web presence at that time, so we were building some games and things.

And then of course, you know, the, the dot-com bomb kind of hit and myself and basically an entire swath of the working population that we're working on these cool.com projects were suddenly said, "Eh, that's not really monetized or that's not really making us the thing that we need."

So it was a little bit of a regroup, right?

At that time, that's when I, I realized I had some skills like in computer.

So I started teaching at some local, you know, re-skilling schools and stuff, teaching products like Dreamweaver or basic HTML and CSS.

And around that time then as well, my wife and I wanted to start a family.

So we decided to move back downstate and I got a job pretty much right out of way doing some freelance game, and web design and development, but then also teaching at a local university here, Bradley University, which is my alma mater, so I was really happy and proud to go back.

- That's awesome.

- Had a lot of time, a lot of good times there working with students, many of which over the years have become either, you know, close friends or perhaps business partners.

And in the case of some, interns and even employees and teammates.

So it's been a great experience in that regard.

And it's just, you know, keep building your network and keep, you never know.

Like somebody that you met seven, 10, 12 years ago, if you made a good impression on them and you see them back around again, it could become something great.

So keep those types of relationships hot