WE SPOKE ABOUT TODAY'S DESTRUCTIVE POLITICS IN PART ONE OF OUR CONVERSATION.

TONIGHT, WE WANT TO BRING UP-TO- DATE WITH HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON AS SHE STARTS TEACHING THE NEXT GENERATION OF LEADERSHIP AND GLOBAL CRISES, VERY TIMELY INDEED.

SHE EXPLAINS WHY TODAY'S EPIDEMIC OF LONELINESS CAN ALSO DAMAGE DEMOCRACY.

ON A NOTE, THIS CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY IN WASHINGTON, D.C. BEFORE OCTOBER 7th.

YOU ARE BACK IT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY TEACHING IN THE SITUATION ROOM, HOW ARE YOU COMMUNICATING ALL OF THIS TO THE GEN Z, WHO ARE YOUR STUDENTS?

I'M HAVING AN INCREDIBLE TIME BECAUSE THE STUDENTS, IT IS A VERY LARGE CLASS, 375 STUDENTS, A QUARTER UNDERGRAD , THE REST ARE GRADUATES IN THE SCHOOL OF INTERNATIONAL AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS WHERE I'M TEACHING .

THEY ARE ALSO FROM THE JOURNALISM SCHOOL AND LAW SCHOOL, ENGINEERING SCHOOL.

IT IS A WONDERFUL MULTI- INTERNATIONAL STUDENT BODY .

I'M CO-TEACHING WITH THE DEAN , WHO IS A POLITICAL SCIENTIST OF GREAT NOTE THAT HAS WRITTEN ABOUT HOW LEADERS MAKE DECISIONS.

HER PART OF THE CLASS IS TALKING ABOUT THE THEORIES, USUALLY HAS TO BE RETROSPECT , HOW SOMEBODY MAKES A DECISION, WHAT INFLUENCES THEM, WHAT ARE THEIR BIASES, WHAT ARE THEIR ADVISERS TELLING THEM?

HOW CONFIDENT OR LACK OF CONFIDENCE IS AFFECTING THEM AND AND AND READING THE LITERATURE AND HAVING A GREAT TIME DOING THAT AND SINCE I DID NOT DO IT BEFORE BUT I'M FINDING OUT IN RETROSPECT SO I'M DOING THAT BUT I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT REAL- WORLD EXAMPLES.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FACE-TO- FACE DIPLOMACY OR INTERVENING MILITARILY OR ON A HUMANITARIAN BASIS, WHAT GOES INTO MAKING THOSE DECISIONS?

AND WHY ARE SOME LEADERS MORE SUCCESSFUL MAKING DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND OTHERS ARE NOT?

IT IS REALLY FASCINATING SET OF CHALLENGES WE ARE POSING TO THE STUDENTS AND AT THE END WE TAKE 20 MINUTES AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THE STUDENTS COME FROM ALL OF THE WORLD, THEY ASK ABOUT THE WORLD.

IT IS REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE BUT TRY TO TAKE A BROAD VIEW ABOUT HOW DECISION-MAKING ACTUALLY WORKS.

AMERICA UNDER YOUR STEWARDSHIP NOTABLY THE FIRST COUNTRY TO APPOINT AMBASSADOR FOR GLOBAL WOMEN'S AFFAIRS .

A FEW YEARS LATER, THE SWEDISH FOREIGN MINISTER TALKED ABOUT FEMINIST FOREIGN POLICY , A DECADE LATER, 16 GOVERNMENTS ADOPTED THAT AND THEY SHOW TALKING ABOUT CONFLICT, PEACE, HEALTH, GDP MATERIAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH ALL OF THOSE WHEN WOMEN ARE EQUALLY REPRESENTED.

YOU FEEL WHAT YOU HAVE DONE HAS BEEN SUCCESS éIRAN, AFGHANISTAN I FEEL LIKE WE MADE PROGRESS BUT THERE HAS BEEN BACKLASH MUCH OF THE PROGRESS FOR WOMEN, NOT JUST PEACE AND SECURITY BUT HEALTH AND EDUCATION AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY WAS SET BACK DURING COVID.

WE ARE PLAYING A BIT OF CATCH- UP.

IT IS SIGNIFICANT A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT WOMEN HAVE TO BE PART OF ANY FOREIGN-POLICY CALCULATION AND DECISION.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?

IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA , WE ARE AT GEORGETOWN, THE INSTITUTE OF WOMEN PEACE AND SECURITY RUN BY THE FIRST AMBASSADOR FOR WOMEN'S ISSUES, HAS DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB COLLECTING AND COLLATING ALL OF THE DATA ABOUT HOW WOMEN AT EIGHT PEACE TABLE LEADS TO MORE DURABLE PEACE.

WOMEN'S VOICES DECIDING ABOUT REFUGEE FLOWS AND MIGRATION ISSUES AND HEALTHCARE CHALLENGES IS ESSENTIAL IF WE MAKE POLICIES.

NONE OF THIS SHOULD BE NEW TO PEOPLE BUT AS WE BOTH KNOW, WOMEN ARE SO OFTEN AN AFTERTHOUGHT IN MANY SETTINGS, NOT JUST GOVERNMENTAL OR WITH RESPECT TO FOREIGN-POLICY OR SECURITY THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND ELSEWHERE SO THIS BACKLASH IS NOT ONLY VERY UNFORTUNATE AND SETS WOMEN BACK BUT IT LOSES SIGHT OF THE LARGER GOAL.

WE WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WOMEN ARE JUST AS A MATTER OF FACT PART OF DECISION-MAKING WITH EVERY ASPECT OF SOCIETY, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL EFFORT, HAVE A SPECIAL AMBASSADOR, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SPECIAL FOREIGN-POLICY.

IT IS SO COMMONPLACE THAT YOU WOULD NOT THINK ABOUT MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT INCLUDING WOMEN'S VOICES, PUTTING WOMEN AT THE TABLE.

THERE IS THAT GREAT LINE FROM EVERY WOMAN DESERVES A SEAT AT THE TABLE, IF THERE IS NOT A CHAIR, BRING A FOLDING CHAIR.

I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR FOLDING CHAIRS, GET WOMEN AT THE TABLE.

WE KNOW THAT DIVERSE GROUPS MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.

DOESN'T GET SOME PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONE?

YEAH, IT DOES BECAUSE YOUR HEARING THINGS AND LEARNING THINGS THAT MAY BE NEW TO YOU AND YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT ON BOARD.

I INTERVIEWED A FEW WEEKS AGO THE GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, SHE EVOLVED YOU'RE FAMOUS STATEMENT, WOMEN'S RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS.

SHE SAYS WOMEN'S RIGHTS ARE HARD POLICY, SECURITY POLICY.

THERE IS EVOLUTION FROM THE NICHE THAT IT WAS .