[PIANO INTRO] [reel whirring] - THINK HE HAS A MIND OF HIS OWN.

[laughter] - THIS REMINDS ME OF THAT FISH I LOST EARLIER.

IT'S LIGHT TACKLE.

YOU CAN'T PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON IT.

- IF YOU CAN LAND HIM, THAT'LL BE THE ONE TO CARRY YOU HOME TO TRY TO EAT.

- OH.

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WELCOME TO THE CAROLINA OUTDOOR JOURNAL.

WELL, TODAY'S PROGRAM, WE'RE GOING FISHING, GOING FOR A SPECIAL FISH, AND, JOE, WE GONNA BE USING REALLY LIGHT TACKLE TODAY.

- YEAH, WE ARE, JOHN.

TODAY'S LIGHT-TACKLE DAY...

SIMPLY BECAUSE THESE FISH ARE NOT HUGE, BUT THEY'RE STRONG FOR WHAT THEY ARE, THESE SPADEFISH.

WE'VE CAUGHT THEM BEFORE ON THE SHOW DOWN AROUND WRIGHTSVILLE BEACH, OFF THE BEACH, AND TODAY'S SHOW, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY TAKE YOU OUT ON PAMLICO SOUND OVER A WRECK THAT A COUPLE OF MY FRIENDS LOCATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IT HOLDS THESE SPADEFISH IN THE SUMMERTIME, AND USING LIGHT TACKLE, SIX-POUND TEST, LIGHT RODS, SMALL HOOKS, AND THEY HAVE REAL SMALL MOUTHS, BUT AGAIN--AND HAVE TEETH IN THEIR MOUTH-- BUT USING FRESH CLAMS AND SHRIMP, AND WE JUST HAD A GOOD DAY.

- THE LIGHT TACKLE JUST MAKES IT SO MUCH FUN, BUT WE'LL GO AND TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IN GEAR TIME.

- THEY'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THEY RIGGED UP FOR THEM, HOW THEY USED SMALL HOOKS.

AGAIN, THE FRESH BAIT WAS A NECESSITY.

AND THEN THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.

- AND THEN DONNA'S GOT A RECIPE TODAY--FISH ON A BUN.

WE CALL IT A FISH SLIDER.

- IT'S A FISH SLIDER RECIPE.

IF YOU'VE NEVER HAD IT BEFORE, TUNE IN, AND SHE'LL TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT.

- ALL RIGHT, LET'S HEAD DOWN TO THE PAMLICO SOUND TODAY ON THE CAROLINA OUTDOOR JOURNAL.

- KURT, YOU READY TO RIG UP?

- I'M GETTING STARTED, SCOTTY.

- YEAH, I'M...

I'M GONNA START OFF WITH A SMALL HOOK AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

- I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.

- WELL, I'M VERY LIMITED AT IT.

I'VE SEEN THEM OUT HERE TRYING TO CATCH SOME GRAYS.

I NOTICE SOME STRUCTURE HERE, AND I'VE SEEN SPADEFISH SWIMMING AROUND.

IT'S MY HOPE TO CATCH THEM UNDER A CORK TO START WITH AND LIGHT TACKLE.

I SEEN A FEW PEOPLE CATCH THEM, AND I KNOW THEY'RE A REAL FIGHT, AND I FIGURE WITH THESE TROUT RODS... WE'LL HAVE OUR HANDS FULL, 'CAUSE THERE'VE BEEN SOME PRETTY NICE FISH I'VE SEEN.

ALTHOUGH WE'VE HAD THE CHUM BAG OUT FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT HERE.

- WELL, WE'LL GIVE THAT CHUM A FEW MINUTES TO WORK... SEE WHAT PRODUCES.

- WE MIGHT HAVE TO SWITCH DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, YOU KNOW, FISH DOWN A LITTLE DEEPER.

LOOKS LIKE WE PRETTY MUCH ON A GOOD ROCKY BOTTOM, THOUGH, DOESN'T IT?

THAT'S GOOD.

I'M GONNA FISH ABOUT TWO FEET DEEP.

AND I THINK I'LL START WITH SHRIMP.

WE GOT SHRIMP AND CLAMS.

I'M GONNA START OUT WITH A PIECE OF SHRIMP.

YOU CAN TELL BY THE WAY HE'S SHAKING IT.

THEY GOT SUCH A LITTLE MOUTH.

THE WAY HE WAS TAKING THAT BAIT, HE COME JUST... YOU KNOW, NIBBLE AT IT, NIBBLE AT IT, NIBBLE AT IT, AND CAME BACK.

ALL RIGHT, SCOTT, I'M READY TO SEE.

- SHOW HIM TO ME.

- I'M SURPRISED HE HASN'T RUN.

PROBABLY NOT A VERY BIG FISH, BUT HE'S SOLID.

OF COURSE, EVEN THE LITTLE ONES ON SIX POUNDS ARE SOLID.

- YEAH.

LIGHT TACKLE.

HE'S SPORTING.

[line running] - WELL-- - MY GOODNESS.

RECKON HE'S TRYING TO GO HOME?

- I'D LIKE TO SHOW HIM-- [both chuckle] ALL RIGHT, SCOTT, I GOT HIM COMING THIS WAY NOW.

- OKAY.

[reel whirring] SEE WHAT WE GOT.

[line running] - FIGHT LIKE A DRUM, DOESN'T HE?

- HE DOESN'T WANT TO COOPERATE, DOES HE?

- YEAH, I'M WORKING ON HIM.

- WHAT POUND TEST LINE THAT YOU GOT ON THERE?

- SIX.

- YEAH, YOU...

BETTER NOT BE HORSING HIM TOO MUCH.

- THIS IS WHAT I CAME FOR, TO FIGHT.

LOOK AT HIM GO AROUND THERE.

[line whirring] - HUP HUP.

- HE WHUPPED ME, SCOTTY.

- YEAH.

- HE WHUPPED ME.

- I GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A...

HEAVY LEADER MATERIAL, IF YOU WANT TO USE IT.

- WELL...I MIGHT OUGHT TO ''CAUSE IT GOT MY HOOK.

MIGHT OF BEEN SUCKED IN HIS MOUTH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

IS IT FLUOROCARBON?

- YES.

DON'T LET HIM GET IN THE ANCHOR ROPE, BUT YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE MUCH CHOICE.

- HE'S NOT LIKE THOSE OTHER FISH WE HAD.

THEM OTHER ONES, WE COULDN'T DEAL WITH.

- YEAH, I SEE HIM.

- MM-HMM.

YEAH, HE'S TWICE AS BIG AS OTHER ONE WE CAUGHT.

- THIS THINGS FIGHT LIKE-- - THEY'RE TOUGH.

- ...FIGHT LIKE A BLUE GILL.

- 'CAUSE WE ON LIGHT TACKLE.

[line running] HE BIT CLAM.

- HE TOOK A CLAM?

- MM-HMM.

WHY DON'T YOU NET HIM FOR ME?

- OKAY.

- UNUSUAL FISH... - THERE YOU GO.

- ...FOR WHAT WE USED TO SEEING, ISN'T IT?

- YEAH.

- SCOTTY, I CUT THE HOOK OFF AND LEFT IT IN HIM.

HE WAS HOOKED A LITTLE DEEP, AND IF I KEEP ONE, IT'S GONNA BE A SLAB.

- LET'S LOOK AT HIS MOUTH.

EXAMINE HIM.

YEAH, HE'S GOT SOME CRUSHERS IN THERE.

- THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOT, ALL RIGHT.

REMINDS ME OF A SHEEPSHEAD A LOT, EXCEPT FOR HE AIN'T GOT THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHITE... - RIGHT.

- ...INCISORS.

WHICH WAY DO YOU RECKON HE'LL GO?

- DOWN.

DOWN TO DAVY CROCKETT'S LOCKER.

- STRAIGHT DOWN.

- KURT, I GOT ONE, BUDDY.

- NOT YET.

- WELL, I GOT HIM ON.

LET ME REPHRASE.

- WHEN YOU GET HIM UP THERE UNDER THE BOAT, YOU'LL FIND OUT, WON'T YOU?

- I BELIEVE IT'S A SPADE.

- YEAH, I BELIEVE IT IS.

YOU GET HIM UP UNDER THE BOAT... - DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON HIM WITH THIS LIGHT LINE.

- THAT'S RIGHT.

- AFTER I'VE CAUGHT A FEW, NOW I KNOW WHAT A SPADE FEELS LIKE.

- UH-HUH.

NEAT THE WAY HE'S PARALLEL AND FLAT-- LAYING FLAT OUT TO YOU.

- THAT'S RIGHT.

[reel whirs] - TELL YOU WHAT--I'M TRYING TO GET SOME BAITS OPEN HERE, BUT...

I CAN DO THAT WHEN I AIN'T WATCHING YOU FIGHT THE FISH.

WHAT'D YOU CATCH HIM ON, SCOTTY?

- I CAUGHT HIM ON SHRIMP.

- SHRIMP.

THE LAST TWO OR THREE WE'VE HAD-- YOU WANT ME TO NET HIM?

WE'RE GONNA LET HIM GO, ANYWAY.

A LOT OF WEIGHT TO THAT FISH, NO BIGGER THAN HE IS.

OH, TURN HIM OVER HERE.

WHAT'S THAT ON THE SIDE RIGHT THERE?

HE'D BEEN DOWN-- ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM, HADN'T HE?

- YEAH.

IT'S LIKE HE'S BEEN UP ON THE STRUCTURE.

- UH-HUH.

- IT'S A UNIQUE FISH.

- THAT'S GOOD WAY TO TERM IT.

I DON'T BELIEVE HE'D BE THE EASIEST CLEANING FISH AROUND.

- HE LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO-- - HE'S GOT SOME MEAT ON HIM.

- YES.

HE'S THICK.

AND I CAUGHT HIM ON A SHRIMP.

AND YOU BEEN FISHING WITH THAT, SOME CLAMS?

- THE LAST COUPLE, CLAMS, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT-- THEY'RE NOT MUCH FUN TO OPEN.

- IT'S KIND OF MOSTLY YOU THINK OF A SPADEFISH, YOU THINK OF MORE OF AN OCEAN TYPE OF REEF.

- I GUESS HE IS A REEF SPECIES, ISN'T HE?

- YEAH, THEY LIKE TO HANG AROUND STRUCTURE, LIKE ARTIFICIAL REEFS, UP AND DOWN THE COASTLINE, IN THE OCEAN.

I'VE EVEN SEEN THEM OVER, YOU KNOW, SUNKEN SHIPS OFFSHORE WHEN I USED TO KING MACKEREL FISH.

- THAT'S RIGHT.

- BUT YOU REALLY DON'T...

THINK OF THEM BEING IN THE PAMLICO SOUND.

- THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT IN HERE.

- YEAH, I'VE ALREADY SEEN THAT.

IT'S KIND OF SURPRISED ME.

[water splashes on boat] AND THEN THE CONDITIONS ARE PRETTY GOOD.

- I GOT A CORK MISSING OVER HERE.

FEELS LIKE A SMALL FISH, BUT THEY NEVER REALLY SHOW THEY SELF TILL THEY GET AT THE BOAT, DO THEY?

- NO.

- WHEN THEY PULL.

- IT'S GONNA TAKE HIM A WHILE TO GET HIM UP IF HE'S GOT ANY SIZE TO HIM.

- THIS ONE'S COMING UP NOW.

- OKAY.

- I'LL TELL YOU WHAT-- THESE CLAMS ARE A PAIN TO OPEN.

- THEY WORK, DON'T THEY?

- WE'RE PICKING UP A FEW MORE FISH, I THINK.

- MM-HMM.

THAT'S A SMALL ONE.

- THAT'S RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

- PRETTY LITTLE FISH.

- YEAH.

- WHEN HE'S FIGHTING YOU UNDERNEATH THE BOAT, HE'S JUST LIKE THAT RIGHT THERE.

- YEP.

HE DOES GET JUST LIKE A BLUE GILL WOULD.

HE JUST GOES TO HIS SIDE.

THAT'S WHY HE GIVES YOU SUCH A TOUGH TIME.

- YEAH, I HEARD SOMEBODY CALL THEM A BLUE GILL ON STEROIDS.

- ON STEROIDS.

I HEARD THAT.

WAY TO GO, KURT.

SEE IF I CAN'T PICK UP ONE.

[light instrumental music] ♪ ♪ - THAT FISH TOOK IT LIKE HE MEANT SOMETHING, DIDN'T HE?

- YES.

YOU KNOCKED IT.

- IT'S FUNNY HOW HE JUST PIDDLED AROUND WITH IT, PIDDLED AROUND WITH IT.

LOOKED LIKE A... LITTLE BITTY CROAK OR SOMETHING MESSING WITH IT, AND THEN NEXT THING YOU KNOW... OH, HE LOOKS LIKE A DECENT FISH.

- HE'S AVERAGE.

- YEAH.

- SHALL WE NET HIM?

- YEAH, PROBABLY SO.

WE DON'T WANT TO BREAK THIS LIGHT LINE.

- DON'T WANT TO TIE IT BACK ON, ANYWAY, DO WE?

- THAT'S RIGHT.

- LOOK HOW HE'S WHITE ON HIS BELLY THERE.

REMINDS ME OF A COBIA, THAT LOOK THERE.

HAVE THEY ALL BEEN THAT WAY, AND I JUST NOTICED IT ON HIM?

- I THINK MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN THAT WAY.

LET'S SEE HERE... - GIVE HIM A LITTLE TWIST.

ONE THING ABOUT THEM-- WHEN YOU HOOK HIM UP... - MM-HMM.

- ...THEY GOT A GOOD TOUGH MOUTH.

- I'LL TELL YOU WHAT-- - THEY'RE GONNA BREAK SOME TACKLE OR COME TO THE BOAT.

- I THINK THESE MOST DEFINITELY CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS TACKLE BUSTERS.

IT'S NICE FISH, THOUGH.

- YEAH.

MM-HMM.

HE'S MARKED UP PRETTY.

- YEAH.

- GOSH, THEY'RE ROUGH.

ALMOST FEEL LIKE A SHARK, DON'T THEY?

- YEAH.

IT'S LIKE SHOE LEATHER.

- WELL, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CATCH ANOTHER ONE.

WE KEEP BANGING AROUND.

THEY DON'T SWIM OFF, DO THEY?

- NO.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

- AH, HARD TO TELL.

YOU KNOW THE WAY THAT SPADEFISH FIGHTS...

I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE SPADEFISH.

- GONNA COME AROUND THIS SIDE?

- I'M GONNA TRY.

IT'S COMING TO ME PRETTY EASY, ANYWAY.

YOU KNOW HOW THEY ARE TILL YOU GET THEM... [line running] PROBABLY A LITTLE SPADEFISH, THE WAY HE'S... - HE'S A SPADE.

NEED THE NET?

- NO.

I'LL LIFT HIM RIGHT IN.

- GOOD DEAL.

- IT'D BE A BIG BREAM, WOULDN'T HE?

- WOULDN'T HE, THOUGH?

THESE THINGS DO PULL-- HERE'S YOUR FLYER.

- CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ANYTHING, CAN WE?

- UH-HUH.

WAY TO GO, KURT.

- I'VE SEEN SOME NICE ONES OUT HERE.

WE JUST CAN'T... CONNECT YET.

- YEAH, I-- YEAH, THIS IS MR. SPADE, SHAKING HIS HEAD AND TAKING DRAG.

I LOVE TO HEAR THAT LINE SINGING IN THE WATER.

- SINGING LIKE A BREAM GOING SIDEWAYS?

- YEP, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

YOU KNOW THAT NOISE, TOO.

[line running] TELL YOU WHAT--THESE SUCKERS, POUND FOR POUND, THEY GOT SOME PULL.

- YEAH.

CONSIDERING HE'S NOT A POUND, HUH?

- WELL, MR. SPADE.

I RESPECT THOSE FINS.

THEY LOOK LIKE THEY COULD HURT YOU.

YEAH.

- THAT ONE'S SOFT, ISN'T IT?

- YEAH.

ALL RIGHT, HE'S GOT THOSE CRUSHER TEETH, LIKE HE COULD EAT ON BARNACLES AND THINGS.

- YEAH, KIND OF A COARSE MOUTH.

WHEN YOU GET A HOOK IN IT... - YEP.

- ...IT'S STAYS IN THERE PRETTY GOOD.

- I WOULDN'T WANT HIM TO GRAB MY FINGER.

THERE YOU GO, BUDDY.

ALL RIGHT.

KURT, WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD SUCCESS.

- WE'RE CATCHING THEM.

I STILL HATE THE TWO BIG ONES GOT AWAY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY IT IS SOMETIMES.

- THAT'S FISHING.

THIS IS A...

THIS IS SOMETHING NEW FOR ME.

- IF WE KNEW WHAT WE KNEW WHEN WE STARTED FISHING TODAY NOW, WE'D HAVE PROBABLY CAUGHT AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE BIG FISH.

THAT LITTLE PIECE OF FLUORO LEADER ON THERE.

- YEAH.

THAT'S THE BUSINESS.

- MM-HMM.

- GOT TO HAVE IT, PARTICULARLY WITH THESE LITTLE TAYLOR BLUES MIXED IN.

- YEAH, 'CAUSE YOU GET ONE NICK AND THEN HOOK ON TO A NICE SPADEFISH... - I CAUGHT THAT LAST ONE BEHIND THE BOAT IN THE CHUM SLICK.

YOU GOT ONE, KURT?

- HOOKED UP.

HE'S BEEN GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF DRAG.

BUT IT'S STILL COMING TO ME.

YOU KNOW, THOSE FIRST-- THOSE FISH WE HAD, WE HAD A COUPLE FISH THAT WE NEVER HAD ANY CONTROL OF WHATSOEVER.

THIS...

THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE.

- YEAH, MR. SPADE.

- THEY A GOOD FIGHT, SCOTTY.

- THEY REALLY ARE.

- DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE USED TO.

IT'S JUST A GOOD... JUST A GOOD FIGHT.

- MM-HMM.

- AND THAT BEAST...

I'D LIKE TO TRY EATING ONE.

I'D BEEN HOPING WE'D JUST GET A SLAB, YOU KNOW, A BIG ONE-- 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY'D BE KIND OF TOUGH TO CLEAN.

I'M GOOD.

- WAY TO GO, KURT.

TELL YOU WHAT-- I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THE GRANDDADDY.

GET BACK IN THAT CHUM SLICK AGAIN.

GOT HIM ON.

ALL RIGHT.

- [mutters] - YEAH.

- THAT'S A PRETTY-SOUNDING DRAG YOU GOT, SCOTTY.

- YEAH.

[line running] THAT FISH SOUND A LITTLE MORE DOMINANT THERE NOW.

- YES.

PLEASE DON'T GO IN THE ANCHOR ROPE.

- FEEL LIKE A LITTLE BIGGER FISH FOR SURE, DON'T HE?

- HE FEELS LIKE IT.

- THAT'S THE BEST I'VE HEARD YOUR DRAG.

[line running] - THERE HE GOES.

- TRY AND EASY HIM ON... 'CAUSE WE WANT TO SEE ONE OF THESE.

- YEAH.

I'M NOT GONNA PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON HIM.

GOT HIM BACK HERE BEHIND THE BOAT NOW.

[reel whirring] THAT FELLA--HE'S JUST GOING ON ABOUT HIS BUSINESS.

THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO WITH HIM WHEN HE'S LIKE THAT.

- NO.

- JUST TAKE IT EASY AND LET'S GET A LOOK AT HIM.

- YEAH, THIS IS A NETTER.

THIS IS A NETTER.

THERE WAS ONE FOLLOWING BEHIND HIM, TOO, KURT.

- WELL...

HE'S A NETTER, BUT NOT YETTER.

- NOT YETTER, THAT'S RIGHT.

HERE HE COMES.

[line running] THINK HE HAS A MIND OF HIS OWN.

- [laughs] - THIS REMINDS ME OF THAT FISH I LOST EARLIER.

IT'S LIGHT TACKLE.

YOU CAN'T PUT TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON.

[line running] - IF YOU CAN LAND HIM, THAT'LL BE THE ONE TO CARRY YOU HOME TO TRY TO EAT.

- OH.

- I'M SCARED TO GET UP AGAINST YOUR LINE THERE, BUD.

- YEAH, THANK YOU, KURT.

- YEAH.

- WELL, KURT, THIS IS THE NICEST SPADE I CAUGHT ALL DAY.

- NICEST ONE EVER.

- YEAH.

I'M GONNA SEE WHAT HE WEIGHS HERE.

- OUT OF CURIOSITY.

TWO AND A QUARTER.

- PULL IT ON--ACTUALLY, IF YOU SEE ANOTHER MARK, THAT'S THREE.

- OKAY.

- THREE.

- YEAH, OKAY.

- WHAT IS HE?

- HE'S THREE.

- MM-HMM.

- CLOSE ENOUGH.

OKAY.

LET'S LET HIM GO BACK.

YOU WANT TO KEEP HIM?

- IF YOU WANT TO EAT ONE, HE'S THE ONE TO TRY AND EAT.

- OKAY.

WELL, I JUST SAY LET'S TURN HIM LOOSE.

- THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

- OKAY.

THERE HE GOES.

- MM-HMM.

- JOE, LIGHT TACKLE'S THE WAY TO GO.

- FOR THOSE FISH ESPECIALLY, AND THEY'RE REALLY STRONG FISH.

YOU SAW WE LOST A COUPLE FISH AND VERY STRONG FISH, BUT AGAIN, WE CAUGHT THESE OUT IN PAMLICO SOUND OVER A WRECK AND-- BUT THEY'RE AVAILABLE UP AND DOWN THE COAST.

- LET'S GET MORE INFORMATION.

LET'S GO TO GEAR TIME.

[light instrumental music] ♪ ♪ - SCOTTY, WE CAME OUT HERE FOR SOME LIGHT-TACKLE TOUGH FIGHTS, AND WE SURE FOUND THEM.

- YES, WE DID.

THIS HAS BEEN A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR ME TODAY, AND MATTER OF FACT, WE FISHING OVER SOME AREAS THAT I HAVE FISHED IN THE PAST 'CAUSE IT HAD STRUCTURE ON IT, BUT I HAVE NEVER CAUGHT A SPADEFISH BEFORE.

- WELL, WE BEEN OUT HERE BEFORE AND HAVE SEEN THEM, BUT NEVER REALLY ATTEMPTED TO CATCH THEM.

I TELL YOU, SIX-POUND TEST, TROUT ROD-- PRETTY MUCH MORE THAN WE COULD-- BUT OFF MORE THAN WE COULD CHEW A TIME OR TWO.

- YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

- IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE PUTTING ON THAT LAST LITTLE PIECE WITH A SURGEON'S KNOT OF 15-POUND TEST FLUOROCARBON LEADER, WE'D HAVE PROBABLY LOST MORE FISH THAN WE DID, 'CAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE NICE FISH THAT WE NEVER HAD CONTROL OF, AND THEY JUST FINALLY WORE OUT THE SIX-POUND TEST AT THE HOOK AND BROKE US OFF.

- WELL, I TELL YOU, IT SAVED THE DAY FOR US.

IF WE HADN'T HAD THIS ON THE BOAT, WE'D BEEN IN TROUBLE.

- THAT'S RIGHT.

USING A REAL SMALL HOOK.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE-- A NUMBER SIX, OFFSET.

I THINK THE BEST BAIT WAS PROBABLY THE CLAMS, BUT, BOY, YOU TALK ABOUT A TOUGH BAIT TO GET INTO.

- YEAH, AND IT'S DANGEROUS, TOO.

YOU RALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.

IT'S LIKE OPENING UP AN OYSTER.

- THAT'S RIGHT.

AND WE CUT UP SOME LITTLE PIECES OF SHRIMP, AND THEY WERE-- I TELL YOU, THE CLAMS WAS PROBABLY TWICE AS GOOD, WOULDN'T YOU-- FISHING TWO RODS ON CLAMS, SO THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE.

JUST A LIGHT CORK FISHING-- THAT'S HOW DEEP IT WAS, TWO FEET UNDER THE WATER.

- RIGHT.

- A POPPING CORK-- NOT A POPPING CORK, BUT JUST A LEAD-WEIGHT CORK TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE RANGE.

IT WAS JUST SOME GOOD LIGHT-TACKLE TOUGH FISHING.

- I CAN TELL YOU THIS MUCH.

WE TESTED OUT OUR DRAGS TODAY.

THAT'S FOR SURE.

- THEN WE HAD SOME SCREAMERS.

WE'LL TRY IT AGAIN.

- ALL RIGHT.

- ENJOYED IT, BUD.

- THANK YOU, KURT.

- HOPE WE GET A CHANCE SOON.

- ENJOYED IT.

- I, FOR ONE, ENJOY FISHING ON LIGHT TACKLE, SO, FELLAS, THANKS FOR THAT INFORMATION.

NOW LET'S CATCH UP WITH DONNA.

SHE'S GOT A GREAT RECIPE IN THE KITCHEN TODAY.

[light instrumental music] ♪ ♪ - HI.

TODAY WE'RE MAKING FISH SLIDERS IN THE KITCHEN, AND I HAD NOTICED THAT ON ALL MENU ITEMS, OR ON ALL MENUS, THERE ARE THESE SLIDERS.

THERE ARE HAMBURGER SLIDERS, AND SO I DECIDED YOU KNOW WHAT?

LET'S MAKE SOME FISH SLIDERS.

HOW GREAT WOULD THAT BE?

SO I FOUND SOME SLIDER BUNS IN THE GROCERY STORE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TODAY.

I HAVE MY OIL NICE AND HOT.

AND WE ARE GONNA USE A PAN TO DO OUR FISH, BUT WE CAN ALSO DO A DEEP FRYER IF YOU WANT IF THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE TO USE.

I LIKE TO USE MINE OUTSIDE IF I'M GONNA DEEP FRY.

BUT WE'LL JUST HAVE OUR PAN NICE AND HOT WITH OUR OIL IN IT, AND WE'RE GONNA USE CATFISH TODAY, AND WE'RE GONNA USE SEAFOOD BREADER, AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS IS YOU CAN USE ANY TYPE OF BREADER YOU WANT.

SO WHATEVER YOU MIGHT HAVE.

IF YOU HAVE MEDIUM-HOT BREADER, YOU CAN USE THAT.

YOU CAN USE SEAFOOD BREADER.

YOU CAN MIX THEM TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

YOU CAN MAKE DIFFERENT ONES FOR YOUR FAMILY DEPENDING ON EVERYBODY'S TASTE.

SO WE'RE GONNA PUT OUR SEAFOOD BREADER OUT HERE ON OUR WAX PAPER.

AND THEN I JUST HAVE SOME CATFISH THAT I FOUND, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA CUT THAT INTO SMALL PIECES, YOU KNOW, PIECES ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PALM OF YOUR HAND WOULD WORK GREAT.

AND THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA DREDGE THAT IN OUR BREADER, SHAKE OFF THE EXCESS, AND THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA PLACE THAT RIGHT INTO OUR HOT OIL.

SO THIS DOESN'T TAKE ALONG TIME TO DO.

IT'S REALLY QUICK AND EASY, AND IT'S SOMETHING FUN.

IT WOULD BE A GREAT LUNCH ON A SATURDAY OR JUST A FUN DINNER OR IT'D BE A GREAT APPETIZER AT A PARTY.

SO WE'RE JUST GONNA FRY THOSE UP AND GET THOSE NICE AND GOLDEN BROWN ON EITHER SIDE, AND THEN TO TOP THEM, YOU CAN PUT OUT A LITTLE TOPPING BAR IF YOU WANT.

I LIKE JUST SOME GREAT FRESH SLICED TOMATOES, MAYBE SOME GREAT LETTUCE YOU MIGHT HAVE OUT OF YOUR GARDEN, OR YOU CAN JUST BUY A LETTUCE MIX, MAYBE, AT THE GROCERY STORE.

YOU CAN PUT SOME GREAT-- INSTEAD OF TARTAR SAUCE, I LIKE TO USE COCKTAIL SAUCE ON MINE, 'CAUSE IT ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF SOME TANG TO IT.

YOU CAN SPICE THAT UP WITH SOME MORE HORSERADISH IF YOU WANT.

YOU CAN PUT MUSTARD, YOU CAN PUT PICKLES.

WHATEVER YOU LIKE.

JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE IT YOUR OWN.

AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF A TALK-- PEOPLE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT YOUR NEXT PARTY.

SO LET'S LOOK AT THEM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE WHEN I PUT MINE TOGETHER.

I JUST SERVES MINE WITH SOME FRESH FRUITS, 'CAUSE IT'S ALWAYS NICE AND PRETTY AS WELL AS HEALTHY FOR YOU.

AND I JUST PUT SOME COCKTAIL SAUCE ON MY BUN, TOPPED MY FISH, AND PUT LETTUCE AND TOMATO ON THERE.

IT'S GREAT.

YOU CAN TOAST YOUR BUNS UP, TOO, IF YOU LIKE.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS WELL.

BUT YOU GET THE NICE CRUNCHY TASTE OF THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR FISH.

PLUS, IT'S NICE AND MOIST AND JUICY ON THE INSIDE.

SO I HOPE YOU LOVE THESE FISH SLIDERS AS MUCH AS I DO, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU NEXT TIME HERE ON "SIMPLE COOKING."

- THANK YOU, DONNA, FOR ANOTHER GREAT RECIPE.

JOE, IT WAS A GOOD DAY OF FISHING.

- WE HAD A LOT OF FUN, YEAH.

YOU CAN SEE WE HAD A REALLY PRETTY DAY OUT IN PAMLICO SOUND, AND IF YOU GONNA FISH OUT IN PAMLICO SOUND, ANYBODY KNOWS PAMLICO SOUND, YOU NEED A PRETTY DAY LIKE WE HAD TO STAY OVER THE WRECK AND TO WORK THE FRESH BAIT OUT TO THESE FISH, AND THEY SUSPEND ON THE STRUCTURE DOWN BELOW, BUT THEY'LL COME UP TO THE SURFACE, CLOSE TO THE SURFACE SOMETIMES, AND YOU ACTUALLY SEE THEM.

BUT A GREAT LITTLE SPORT FISH.

IT REMINDS ME OF BLUE GILLS INLAND.

CATCHING BLUE GILLS ON LIGHT TACKLE WITH FLY RODS.

SPADEFISH THE SAME WAY.

REAL COLORFUL FISH.

AND IF YOU NEVER TRIED THEM, GIVE THEM A TRY.

- TRY IT ON LIGHT TACKLE.

- EXACTLY.

- FOR JOE ALBEA, I'M JOHN MOORE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY ON THE CAROLINA OUTDOOR JOURNAL.

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